630 w/ Meltdown - Seether - Careless Whisper

630 w/ Meltdown - Seether - Careless Whisper: Chris, Nick, and Andy are joined by WRIF personality Meltdown to break down "Careless Whisper" from the 2007 album Finding Beauty In Negative Spaces by Seether. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
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Speaker 3 (02:35):
Nick.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Welcome, Thank you for having me some fancy footwork from
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had that in you.

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I now I don't anymore.

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It's gone. It's over until next week. Welcome. You sound
a little winded. I'm kind of feeling that too.

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You know, what are you gonna do?

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You'd probably get a COVID swabs here going on with you?

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Yeah, I got a cue you tip upstairs. I'll give
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get it that time.

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We got him.

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of the podcast medium Chris Hal's here.

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There's a new record with the amount of rotations. I
think I'm dialing it in.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
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Yeah, the dropkick Murphy's workout, shadow box and workout.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Very good. Chris is here. We are a pot of
thunder and you may have heard a fourth voice. Ladies
and gentlemen joining us again our friend, your friend meltdown.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
It's smelt down. We know that he'll be back asking
in time. It's smell down from.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
Downtown moat down.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
We got that guy, Yes, we got that guy. Welcome back, buddy.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
Hey, thanks man. That is real.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
Uh, that's real rock and roll history right there at
that intro. So I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Have you been using that every time I enter a
room every day?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Walk in to the bank, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Press play on your boom box my.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Walk up music for sure.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
So yeah, yeah, welcome back.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Hey, thanks man, Chris.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Jesus, Well, you know I've got a dress for the occasion,
so uh but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Chris is wearing a wham make it big.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Sure, I think you did that last time we had meltdown.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah. Something. It's a big fan. You know.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
He likes to give me a hard time because one
time I have to call him pop trash on the radio.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well see, you're getting ahead of things a little bit.
But that's all right. But uh yeah, before we get
into it. We posted about this on social media, but
I want to acknowledge this on the program. What November First,
you celebrated thirty years at the Mighty Wrif in Detroit,
Rock City. Wow.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
Yeah, thanks, Yeah, it's pretty cools man. You know, I
wrote about it, but when I first got here, it's like,
you know, my dad said, give it six months and
see what happens that that's that's that was his advice.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
And here I am.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, congrats, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Now you're the you said, I think we've talked about
this before this milestone, but you're the longest tenured Afternoon
Drive DJ and RIFF history.

Speaker 7 (05:54):
Correct, No, not even close. Arthur p had it for
thirty eight years.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Really Afternoon Drive.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
Okay, all right, so I'm so in the fifty five
years history of RIFF, I'm only the second Afternoon Drive DJ.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
All right, that's it. Yeah, okay, Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
I can believe that.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
I mean, how many radio stations can boast that. That's
That's something I'm super proud of. And uh, you know, Chris,
you grew up here with the Arthur P I mean legends,
you know.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
I just I just talked to the guys from.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Nelson the other day and Andy and Nick, you guys
might not know about this, but they did that commercial
back in the eighties before I got here, with Kelly
Harmon and she was the remarkable mouth. Do you remember that, Chris, Yeah,
oh yeah, it's up on YouTube. And so what would
happen is they would zoom in on Kelly Harmon's mouth
and she would mimic the DJs talking and the songs
and different things, and at the end she would go baby,

(06:44):
like you know Arthur P did. And I just interviewed
Matthew and Gunner Nelson and that's their aunt, Kelly.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I did not know though, Yeah, because Mark Harmon was
somehow Yeah I had something, yeah, some kind of marrying
into the Nelson family, I believe.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah. I didn't get that connection until you mentioned it
on your socials the other day.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
Yeah, so that was it was cool to talk to
those guys. I've never talked to him before and there
they were really nice. But that's that was my latest interview.
But hey, check this out. Not to like beer too
much from the subject, but I interviewed a guy today.
He wrote this book called Ozzie and me get this Chris.
You know, we grew up in the eighties and whatnot.
And it's like he made a correspondence from Northern Ireland

(07:26):
with Ozzy's people because he wanted to go see this
rock and real concert in Brazil and somehow, I don't
know if he wrote a letter called them or whatever
the case was, made a correspondence with them, became friends
with Ozzy. Then at sixteen years old, toured Europe with
Ozzy in his tour bus. At sixteen took a month
out of the school to tour with Ozzy. I mean,

(07:49):
how insane is that?

Speaker 2 (07:50):
And run what time period did this happen?

Speaker 7 (07:53):
This was nineteen eighty six, so this was the ultimate
Sin tour. So he told he told me that Jack
oz Born did the forward and said that you know,
he was around for ten years of Ozzie's life that
Ozzie can't remember yea, that he was there to write about.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
To write about that.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, I wonder who took care of this kid or
did Ozzie. Was he shielded from the craziness that would
have been happening at that time.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
That's a good question. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
He was on Ozzie's bus, and I'm sure he's just
an innocent kid. I mean I was sixteen and at
that time period too, and I couldn't imagine a my
dad letting me leave school for a month, yeah, and
be just touring tour bus. I mean that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, that's like an almost famous yeah. Wow.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
So anyways, I'm gonna post that that tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
That's this guy.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
His name is Stephen Ray and he wrote this book
called Ozzie and Me.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
But their forty year friendship.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh so they did stay fra It wasn't just like
they He toured for a month and that was the
end of it.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
Now he saw him for the last time. But back
to the beginning and stuff, and you know, he had
a moment and he and Ozzie's people took a great picture,
you seid of them, and you know, Ozzie called him
back to say, you know, I'll talk to you soon,
give you a call, and blah blah blah, and you know,
and then I don't know if you guys have talked
about this too much on the podcast, but I kind
of feel in a weird way that Ozzie kind of

(09:12):
got ripped off because he spent his whole life from
the age of like twenty until he passed away in
the spotlight entertaining people being Ozzie, and all of a sudden,
it's like he's like, I'm done being Assie. I'm just
gonna drift out of the spotlight and he dies. Yeah,
kind of like you didn't get a chance to enjoy
his the fruits of his labor for all those years.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I mean, unless hypothetically, unless that's what he would
rather have been doing anyway.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Perhaps, or Sharon was going to force him to do
stuff right until the end, which she ended up happening,
you know.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, But a lot of these guys also don't want
to do anything else, you know, to us, at least
most of us, it sounds good to just have money
in the bank and not do anything and enjoy your life.
But these guys who'll become ultra famous, successful.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Or whatever, they're wired different.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, they're wired. They're wired to do, not to a
rot like I am.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
And if again, if you're married to Sharon Osborne, she
is going to squeeze every last nickel out of you
until the last breath exits your body. That's just what
you signed up for.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Well, in her defense, Ozzie did say that she saved
his life, and you can believe that.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
There's there's truth to that, but still you know she's
not She wasn't going to let the guy just rest.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
I mean, yeah, well I think they did that last
show and now like that was it, man, and it's
like that was going to be, you know, his his
goodbye and man, who would have thunk A couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Later than yeah, yeah, there's news coming out that he
was hospitalized like two weeks before then.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
So you know he was and as he wrote about
it in his book, apparently someone came to the hospital
looking for John Osborne. Did you guys hear the story
and they were looking for on Osbourne and and Sharon's like,
oh great, got out you know that.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
You know Ozzie fans are showing up.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
He's like, no, I'm Ozzie's or I'm John's brother and
he had flowers and everything. So they send security down
there to, you know, see what this guy's up to,
and he's maybe he's trying to scam if this is
a news guy. There was another guy in the hospital
named John.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Oh wow, nothing to do with Ozzy. He's like, Yeah,
why are they are they putting me through the ringer here?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's funny? Yeah, all right, Well we got to find
out what we're doing here. I'm kind of curious. I
think you guys are up to some conspiracies behind the scenes.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
You know, we've given given me meltdown and we've thrown
his flowers at him. Now it's time to take him
to task for something he tipped tipped his hand earlier.
But simply put, he is responsible for one of the

(11:56):
most outrageous statements I've ever seen or heard in any
capacity in my entire life.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
That's saying something.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
It is saying something, and we're going to discuss that
in it. It was inspired by Tonight's song, So during
the during the course of the discussion, we'll get into that.
And also, since he and I are on opposite sides
of the fence on this topic, it's going to be

(12:25):
up to the Jones brothers to sort of either find
middle ground or side with one or the other of them.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Difficult.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Nobody wants to be in that position, but that's the
position we find ourselves in.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
Hey, let me ask you about this, Chris.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
Then on Halloween night here in Detroit, you know, right
before my anniversary November one, I want on two ten
in the morning, but I went and saw Yachtli Crew.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
Have you guys heard about dem.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, you mentioned that.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I have not, but I can kind of imagine.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
It was so cool and they every song, you know,
and you know they they play him well, you know,
they played Baker Street and the dude's up in the
rafters doing the saxophone. You know.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, are they doing Motley cru They it's all yeh
yeh rock in the style of Motley.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
They just play on Motley Crew for the name. The
only connection.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Okay, gotcha?

Speaker 7 (13:23):
Yeah, apparently Tommy Lee. I was talking about this with
the guitar player. I don't know if you saw this,
Chris on the reels, but the guitar player said that
he saw a picture of Tommy Lee on his boat
with a yacht cruise shirt on. So that was kind
of like, they're okay that they're cool with the band,
and I'm like, was Tommy Honk in the horn?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
You have to you have.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
To ask question.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well, nowadays everybody is just using photoshop or AI to
uh post their shirt they designed for a man, and
then they've got Steven Tyler standing behind it smiling like
I'm totally good with this.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I haven't seen that. That's something going around Stephen Tyler.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
There's Stephen Tyler. There's all a lot of Paul Stanley.
I've seen anybody who who's it's the lamest shirts that
you can imagine too.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's been going around for a while.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
But I'm sure Stephen Tyler is going to be holding
up a pot of thunder shirt on Tuesday on the internet.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
So, oh no, Well, that's when'll finally jump the shark. Yeah,
it'll be outlawed. AI will be banned, they're gonna unplug it.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
It's the last straw when things like that unimaginable has happened.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, they're going to roll off the AI machine into
the shed.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, forget all these data centers will be closed down
around the world.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
I have a picture of kid Rock and myself and
I was wearing a pot of thundershirt. As matter of fact,
I saw Chris that day.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I remember that.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
Yeah, yeah, and I invited you over, but you're like,
I can't go.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I couldn't and I bailed on the thing in
Jackson the you invited me to. I'ma what can I say?

Speaker 7 (15:02):
We should talk about that for a second because that
was super cool and not to like, you know, rub
it in, but there was this was a private event.
There was like two thousand people there and uh, they
had an opening band. I can't remember what that band was.
But then Ted Nugent came up and did fred Bear acoustic.
Of course Ted Ted talked for about thirty seven minutes
and then he played you know, fred Bear and then, uh.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I should have been there for that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:23):
I saw the guys from Night Ranger.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Ted joined him on stage for Coming of Age and
Cat Scratch Fever and I don't know if you see
Night Ranger lately, but man, they're so good.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, we just did an episode on one of their
songs and yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Or two weeks ago, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was the
that was the first single, right.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yep, don't tell me don't tell me you love me.
So yeah, no, it's uh yeah, I missed that, missed
out on that. So yeah, Meltdown's got the hookups. I
just uh, you know, sometimes I'm not mad enough to
get in on that stuff. So but that was like
I had been back and forth to my buddy, his

(16:03):
son's high school graduation party, had my class reunion, and
then it was like, okay, come to Jackson. I'm like,
I don't have that in me.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
So yeah, I think we passed each other in a
highway like two ships.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
And he probably did, yes, exactly.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
But I was I was in Pop Pam, Michigan the
week before that, and wasn't when you were at your graduation.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
It probably was.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
Yeah, So I saw I saw Nugent that night. And
so the next day he asks, yes, his guitar player,
he says, what had Meltdown think of the show, And
I said, tet Nugen's the reason I don't play guitar,
because if I can't manhandle the guitar like Tetch Nugent,
I don't even want to try. And that's honest truth.
That's like that guy at seventy six years old. It's
like it's like an appendage of his it's like he

(16:48):
just plays and it's like effortless.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
No, he's say what you want. We all know the politics,
We all know how polarizing that guy is. He can
play the hell out of a guitar and always has
been able to. You can't nobody can deny that.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
And he plays with so much feel.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yes, yeah he's great. Yeah, but uh, I don't know,
maybe that maybe your yachtley crew experience has softened your
stance on this. These songs that we're gonna discuss, and yes,
plural songs. We're gonna analyze one version of the song.
But anyway, all right, without further ado, let's reveal it

(17:29):
and then we'll get into it. All right.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
We also have a treat we have to get to
at some point.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
We do. I thought that wasn't happening.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
They changed things.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Us things quick treat, quick treat. Things opened up?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Should they give me, oh bag a contraband look at that?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Is that some kind of toffee?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
It is?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's oh, it's a it's a variation on the typical
saltine toffee.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
It's uh, that's a typical toffee.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, you put saltine crackers down. You boil some brown
sugar and butter and then pour it over and then
peanut butter and chocolate, which is what we have here.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
But is there a ritz cracker toffee?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Well, this is a different version actually we had. Have
you seen those pretzel chips They're like rectangular, I don't
know they seem they even have them at like all
the and stuff. Now they've got a version. Well, it's
a pretzel chip toffee. I think some of them have peanuts,
some don't, but like peanuts.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, this is gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
So a bag of crack if you will, because people
can't stop calling it that on the on the internet.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Is that what they say?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
If it's if it's good, it's it's crack Christmas crack
you can make it's all over the place.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
Everything that was like the episode of the Office where
everything was like crack. What was the j What's what's
his character? He was always saying Ryan, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, I mean that's still going on. People can't let
that go.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Chris, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Pretty damn good? I was just about to say pretzels
are like crack cocaine to me. I can't can't resist it.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
So well, if Chris doesn't keel over. I'll have some.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, give it a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, wait for it to kick in the Edibles.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
The world's nakedest man tester over there, Okay, let's reveal.
Are you ready, Chris? Are you gonna do it? All right,
Let's turn the microphone over to Chris Jericho.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
This one's called careless whisper off of finding Beauty and
negative space. See there? Okay, okay, so Meltdown has to
do or think he still has to do it. I
haven't seen him recently doing I think you're doing more
video interviews. But he would write blogs articles, and one

(20:19):
of them was, you know, his favorite cover versions, And
this one was on the list. And in the text
is the statement that I referred to earlier, simply said
the original is pop trash in my opinion, just a

(20:40):
just an outrageous comment.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
Dude, I completely forgot I wrote that. I wrote about that.

Speaker 7 (20:46):
I remember I thought I posted that on like Facebook,
on a comment or something.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
No, No, you had a whole blog about your favorite
cover versions. And I was reading, I'm like, okay, this
is interesting, this is an interesting pick a closet wham fan.
And then I got hit between the eyes with that
wide I'm like, are you not?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Are you nuts?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Would you like to elaborate or defend that statement?

Speaker 6 (21:12):
No, he said it. I said it. I ain't backing
down from it.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
That's it is what it is. Okay.

Speaker 7 (21:17):
Yeah, I'm not a Wham fan, although I do have
to admit their Christmas song is kind of catchy.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
It does put you in Christmas moved. What was it
called Christmas? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (21:26):
I mean, you know, you can't deny that one, I suppose,
But listen, dude, you.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Can't this one either. You like the damn song. It's
just you like the Seether version.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
I like the Seither version. I know a rock's harder,
but listen to words of Joe Dirt. I'm a rocker
through and through, and it's like I want to rock
so but uh, I forgot that. I wrote that in
a blog. That's interesting. So I can't come on this
show and just play the song. I have to give
you some insight from the band.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, I go for it, of course.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yeah, So I was racking my brain.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
I'm like, I don't have I've met the guys from
Seether a bunch of times. I was at Legends in Detroit.
One time with Sean. You know what legends is, Chris?
Do you remember that place?

Speaker 3 (22:07):
No? I think that was after I left the Strip.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
Club down downtown in Detroit. So anyways, but I don't
know those guys, you know or whatever. So I'm gonna
name drop a little bit, and not like I haven't already.
But I was texting JD from Black Label Society because
they're playing in ann Arbor.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Was zach Sabbath coming up?

Speaker 7 (22:24):
And I just happened to see a text I had
sent to him in September with this guy Phil who's
on their road crew, and he said, and the text
from JD was, Oh, are you at the Seether show?
And I'm like, that's right, Phil is with Seether. So
I texted Phil and I'm like, ask the guys from
Cither about this song and why they covered it in
the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
So the story is pretty simple.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
Apparently, back in the early two thousands, when Shawn and
Dale would call each other if the person that they
called didn't answer, remember when he had answer machines all
the time, as a joke, as a goof, they would
leave that song on you other person's voicemail.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Okay, the original Yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
So and so when it came to the record company,
I guess they wanted some sort of song for Valentine's
Day or something, and the guy said, why don't we
do Wham Carolus Whisper?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
And I was born And apparently this it was not
originally on this album, but when they reissued it like
two years later, it was a bonus track. Yeah, from
the album that I mentioned and.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
The okay, for whatever, Yeah, I see bonus track version
two thousand and seven. So for whatever reason, I just
made it up that this was a covers album. But
that's not the case at all now that I'm looking
at this. This is just a cover on it.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, okay, And then there's a strings version on here,
which I think we need to listen to that one.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
But well, let me ask you guys this, this is
one of my favorite covers.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
What are some of your favorites?

Speaker 7 (23:56):
And I got I got a preface is by saying, Chris,
when you see my like four played four and I
say let's do cover songs, that gets like the most response,
So everybody's got everybody loves a good cover song.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Immediately what comes to mind, and there's a Chicago rock
radio tie in uh Q one oh one years ago
used to have the Cage Match on weeknights and it
would just be one song pitted against another and people
would call in and vote. And one that was a
defending champion for a little while was the Al Jurgensen

(24:34):
Trent Reznor cover of Super Not which where they went
by a thousand homo DJs.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, with the group was called.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I'm guessing it was just Jurgensen.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Really, but.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
That was off the Sabbath, yeah record, it.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Was, Yeah, it was on the Nativity in Black Yeah, right, Yeah,
that that one always stood out to me. As much
as I love the original, I think, wow, what they
did with it in that version was even above that.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
What do you think Chris.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Man kind of put on the spot trying to think
of something that's I mean, the thing about thee see
there is a contempt more contemporary band, Like a lot
of the covers that I really like are from way
way back when I'm trying to think of something a
little more recent, if possible.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
If you need a moment, I have a kind of
dumb question potentially, is this band named after the Ruka
Salt song? Because it looks like they formed. I think
it is, okay, just just out of curiosity because whenever
I heard the band, I'm like, that's interesting because just
a few years prior.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
We were talking about this guy from Ireland toured with
Aussie and stuff. But see Thears from South Africa. It's like,
name another band from South Africa.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, I didn't know they were from there.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Well, isn't Dave Matthews from South Africa?

Speaker 6 (26:06):
See I didn't know that?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
And Anton Vegas from South Africa?

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (26:10):
Okay? Forgot I asked the question.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
But not a full band though, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
They didn't have enough guys for a full band back.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
No, they sent over a guy's piecemeal.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
We've got a couple of guys.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
All the all the band members got sucked into the
whole apartheide thing and just weren't available.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
For a second.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
It's the late nineties, early two thousands and you're a
rock fanning you're in South Africa.

Speaker 6 (26:36):
It's like there's no internet and stuff.

Speaker 7 (26:37):
You got a you know, bootleg tapes and you know
it's just you know, they had like I think they
had like one like you know, perhaps government run radio station.
I think I remember talking to the guys about one
time that's they hear some of their music and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
But yeah, I think they just plump in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I think they just played UB forty on a loop.
That's what my picture.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Happening, and everybody was happy.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
But yeah, they were fine with they were happy, they
were good with it.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
I'll just say one that came up on shuffle for
me this morning as I was driving around in my car,
the cover of Ain't It Fun by Guns N' Roses
of Spaghetti Incident, which I love the Spaghetti Incident. It's
a great album. Every cut on there is great. You know.

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That was when the whole covers album thing was coming
into vogue, and as soon as it came up on shuffle,
I'm like, oh, yeah, I got to listen to this one.
And yeah, anytime something from Spaghetti Incident comes up on shuffle,
I rarely, if ever skip it. A great, great covers album.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
We all know Andy's answer that would be Don't Tell
Me You Loved Me by Schlang.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, clearly from two weeks ago, that works.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I sent melt Out the screen cap of the Schlong
version of Spotify. His response was, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
It's good yeah, I'll go with that. I don't even
have to answer.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Yeah, come on and give me, give me a good one.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well, I don't know that is faith no more war Pigs,
Not really, I'm pretty close to the ves that one.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
Huh yeah, New York groove. I don't like me Manalishi.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
No, there's probably a million faith no more.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I was gonna say, I was gonna say, like live
does that count of his life?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Sure, Yeah they did this Guy's in love with you.
That was good.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
I like weird stuff though, so I feel trying to
think of something normal.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Well you don't. It doesn't have to be normal.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Okay. I liked when mister Bungle did Welcome Back Cotter
and then they did it and then they did it
in Spanish immediately after with the Spanish groove to it.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's my joy.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, back to back. See there is named after the
Varuk assault song. Okay, they changed their name. They were
told they needed to change their name by their label.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
Yes, okay, their original name was don't don't tell me
their original name was something with acid or something.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
Uh, okay, go ahead, tell.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Me, no, you're right, it's uh Saren or Saren gas serenas. Yeah,
some kind of toxic chemical warfare and they were like,
we're not doing to hop on.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
The anthrax manned wa again with that.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Their agent Orange was another band.

Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:36):
I think their manager when they first came to the
States was a guy named Rick Smith, who's right here
in Detroit, who actually he was Steven Tyler's roommate in college.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
One day I was talking to him and he's like, yeah,
so Stephen came by the house there day, you know,
he was in town. And I'm like, who's Steve And
it's like Steven Tyler. I'm like, I didn't know he
knew Stephen Tyler. Like what Yeah, So he told me
he goes, Yeah, we went to the We went to
the ice cream place at fifteen and Woodward, and everybody
recognized him and he bought ice cream for everybody.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
He's got to be one of those guys that's impossible
to hide, even if he tried, I would think he's
just got such a distinct face. Yeah, unless it's almost
all covered up. Maybe during COVID he was okay, get
him a COVID test.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Nick, But been back in college, he was paying his
tuition by hawking t shirts on the internet closing fake
but we're actually.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Closing with bootleg Aerosmith T shirt like they all do now.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
All right, So I don't think I've ever heard this,
and I haven't either.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I was going to listen after I after I got
off off the floor after reading this is pop Tracks.

Speaker 6 (30:48):
Never heard this song.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I was about to listen to it, and then I
was like, you know what, this is probably going to
be an episode one day. I want to listen. I
want to hear it for the first time on an
episode with fair Enough with melt down on this. It
was probably a couple of years ago when your blog
came out, So yeah, I intentionally avoided listening to it
because I had a feeling that would come to this

(31:12):
and here.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, now, just you know, I probably have heard it,
but it's it. It was probably a song where I
heard it on the radio back then and it was like, Okay,
that's cool. Someone did a cover of it, but never
really got too into this band. So I I'm looking
it up right now just to see the musician credits. Uh,

(31:34):
at least on Wikipedia. I don't see saxophone on here,
so this so I'm not sure what's going on what's happening.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
That's like doing Baker Street without the fucking saxophone. You
can't do it.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Did the Food Fighters do without a saxophone? Or was
a guitar camera?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
No? I met your yachtley crew experience the food Fighters?
No they didn't. I don't think they did.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
I mean it's a great cover by the way.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Man Luke warm on that. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
Well, I think after it's day.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
Next time somebody asks you about your favorite cover songs,
you'll be like, you know, there's this song by seither covered?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I mean, are you're saying I'm going to add a
see the T shirt to my arsenal.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
After today, I may get your addressing million one?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well there you go, all right, Andy, you've never heard
of this?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
No, I don't you heard of the band. I've heard
the name of the band. What's their big hit or
a couple of big songs they got?

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Man, they got a lot of rock radio hits. They've
been around for you know, twenty years now.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, they got finked it fine again?

Speaker 6 (32:45):
Any gasoline?

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Hey, I'll tell you a quick story, Chris. Do you
remember the bar Wild Woodies in Detroit? Was that not
around when you're there, not around that I know of anyhow.
So I was there one night and this is Seither
was in there early early days. This is around two
thousd was in five May two thousand and six, among
those lines. And I was there and Seether showed up.
They must have been playing the next night or something
like that. There was a band playing on stage at

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this bar. Ceither went up and did three songs and
one of them was Gasoline, which is a complete ripper
from Cither. Anyways, Proof was there from D twelve. Do
you guys remember Proof? Yeah, So Sean says to me
and is as a South African accident. He goes, he goes,
let's go see if Proof will do a shot with us.
So he walks over to Proof and he says, hey,

(33:29):
do a shot with you know, with me, and meltdown.
Proof got up on this like he was in this
this couch in this corner. He got up on the
top of it, went over, jumped down and went and
did a shot with Sean Morgan and myself.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Wow, he was game. Huh.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Yeah, it's one thing we always bonded over the shot
with Proof.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
That's pretty cool. Where was that at?

Speaker 6 (33:50):
What was wild woodies, Woodies.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Woodies, Yeah, wild woodies. Okay.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Most of my wild wood happened in windsor uh in
those days between the ages of nineteen and twenty one.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
So yeah, I don't want hear about your days of Danny's.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
No, No, you don't Danny's.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Are you crazy? There was a there's a bar called
Danny's here in Chicago that we used to hang out with.
It was a late night place. But yeah, so see
there would would you? Would you say they're like the
active rock that that moniker that's coming to being like.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
How would There's kind of a staple in active rock
across the country.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Okay, which is also known in some circles as butt rock.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
I always consider butt rock to be more of the
eighties rock. I mean, I don't call it that for
say what I've heard it called that I have.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
And that that's in the context of Steel Panther than
the butt rock song that they do. But recently it's
been a it's been applied to the likes of Cree,
It's Nickel, the post grunge bands, which I think seither
kind of falls into that heading.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
So, yeah, you're talking about death to all button.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Metal exactly right. Oh yeah, but metals what the eighties
stuff is, but it's since been applied to the post
grunge bands. And I think see there falls into that umbrella, right,
I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
I mean see, there's like more of a straight ahead
just rock band, no tracks, They just go up there.
There are four guys in a band, they play their songs,
they rock it out, and they leave.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
You know.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
It's like, I don't, I don't. There's not much of
it like a show per se. It's more like just
a straight ahead rock band.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
All right, okay, I mean so is Nickelback and Creed
are sort of straight ahead?

Speaker 6 (35:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
And by the way, have any of you guys ever
seen Nickelback in concert.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
It's one of the best shows you'll ever see.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
That's what I always here. But no, and I heard
there's a new documentary that's kind of uh.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Well, I don't know. It's just about a year old.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, new to me, I'm sorry, newish new enough, But
it's sort of addressing that, right, that that there's a
large portion of people who don't like them.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
Yeah, I mean yeah, it's I think it's called.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Nickelback.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
I love to hate Nickelback.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Nickelback's a bunch of pricks or something like that.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I will say, Nickelback is pop trash.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I've had several people over the years send me that
clip of them playing Sharp Dressed Man.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Is that good?

Speaker 8 (36:31):
Yeah, it's quite good.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
It was VH one Honors.

Speaker 8 (36:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, it's one of those one of those clips that
will pop up every so often. It's pretty popular.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
I would say, I will tell you this, the guys
from Nickelback are They're Canadian and they are some of
the nicest guys you'll ever meet.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I believe it.

Speaker 7 (36:50):
Yeah, you know, I can't say a bad word about it,
to be honest with you. I've always had great experience
with them and interviewing them in hanging out and you
know whatever. But yeah, I'll always defend them.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
For some reason, they became the sort of whipping boys
of you know, modern corporate rock or whatever. Yeah, it's
not your thing. It's not your thing, but.

Speaker 7 (37:12):
Yeah, they became popular, and I get it. And I
don't know if you recall this, but I seem to
have felt this. Back in the early two thousands, Lincoln
Park was about to do the same thing, and for
whatever reason, they never got to that that status of
whipping boy, like you're saying, I felt like Lincoln Park
was starting to do that too.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
You mean, getting to that point like get me some backlash.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
Yes, that was that was my vibe.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
And then all of a sudden something kind of changed
and they either went away for a little while or
something and they never achieved that nickelback status. But I
kind of felt that in the early two thousands, But
that was just me.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
They didn't quite make it to the butt, is what
you're saying. Yeah, apparently, you know. I don't know if
this is a fair comparison, but for some reason I
automatically group Ceither with Select. Maybe it's just similar sounding
names from sort of the same time. Yeah, so I
don't know if they're if they would be on a
double bill together, but that's what I imagine.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Salva has a little a little more of like a
little more wrap rock element to metal.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah see there, see there doesn't really fall into that category.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Then Meltdown would not would know. I literally don't think
I've ever heard a note from these guys.

Speaker 7 (38:28):
No, they know Sears, they're straight ahead rock. They didn't
do any of the rat metal stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Okay, that's kind of that's retroactively kind of refreshing to hear,
because at that point in the early two thousands, it's
like everybody one was doing it, and if you were
a legacy act, you were incorporating some sort of production
from that sort of genre.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
What do we think about this? Real quick? Tony Griggs said,
it's like Hailstorm. They do great covers, but their original material.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Is meh.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Hm, where you guys add on that.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
I'm trying to think of a cover song.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
The only, the only, the only Hailstorm song I've ever
heard is the one we did on the show.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, I mean the Perry Mason was great at the
last Aussie show.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah what show?

Speaker 6 (39:14):
What song did you guys do?

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I Don't Do Not Disturb?

Speaker 6 (39:18):
Yeah, pretty sexy song.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah it was all rights. Yeah it wasn't sex it
was sexy trash. Yeah it was sex trash in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
Again, Lizzie is one of the nicest people.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Sure, nobody's saying these are not nice people, but we
can't we do. You know, the guys in Ario Speedwagon
are probably great guys, right melt down, but he hates
them despises you know, nobody's saying these are not nice people,
but we can't all like the same kind of music.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
Once again.

Speaker 7 (39:56):
Hailstorm though, four people from the middle of Sylovania that
play their instruments that go up there the rock.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
And I just saw him over the summer with the Volbey.
You know it's it's a good show man. And I'm
gonna say this, Lizzie Hale is a badass. She gets
up there and she plays, and she plays her guitar
and she walks around her five in shields and she
just kicks ass.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Something I would have liked to have seen one of
those shows where she fronted skid Row about you. Yeah,
there was one fairly close to here, like downstate Illinois.
I want to say that would have been cool, no
question about it.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Did she just finish? Yeah, that's her too. Did she
just finish like a leg of a tour or something.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah, just like they had. You know, they've got a
revolving door of singers and they had like five or
six kits booked and she stepped in, and I think.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
They had four shows left and Erica is the singer
at the time left. Yeah, and she stepped in, and
you know what, she's a product of of of that
kind of music and stuff. And when they called on her,
she's like, I'll be there.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, by all accounts, you killed it. You know, I
would have loved to see that.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
But if you see her up on stage, she commands
the audience and she's I mean, she's just like I
can't say enough good things about her.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
She's she's really good.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah. And before we get into song, since Andy brought
them up, I obligated to talk about it. Saliva the
band they were before Saliva my band, the Mean Reds.
We'd swapped gigs with them between Chicago and Memphis were Yeah,

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they were. The band was called Blackbone and Josie and
Chris Debaldo were in that band, and they hooked us
up with gigs in Memphis, and we hooked them up
with gigs in Chicago and they were again great guys.
You know, there's little drama going on with Josie ripping

(41:54):
the new Saliva singer in the press or whatever.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
So but uh, did you ever get a chance of me?

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Wayne never met Wayne. No, No, those guys they had
switched all their members after we we kind of my
band ran its course.

Speaker 7 (42:12):
So yeah, booking record, but just a great guy and
he can kind of look I was.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
I was always intimidated.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
By him with the big hat and the dark glasses
and a beer in the long hair and blah blah blah.
But I met him and got to know him, like
in twenty seventeen or eighteen or something, just as a sweetheart.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
Man. It's a great guy.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, those guys were fun, fun to hang out with.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I didn't know that guy, wasn't that Josie wasn't in Saliva.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
He's not anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
No, I mean that he wasn't. He's all I didn't know.
I didn't realize he's out. Yeah, I'm out of the loop. Saliva.
They did the Spider Man song and that was it.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah, which.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Right, I'm a fan of the Chad Kroger Spider Man song.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Isn't that the same song?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (42:56):
It is?

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Who's on there with us? Okay?

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Does he rap rapping?

Speaker 7 (43:04):
What happened with that was that Wayne owned the name,
and when Wayne was doing Salve on his own, Josie
kind of wasn't doing much of anything, and Paul Crosby
for the drummer kind of go in and out, and
that was when they got Brad Stewart from you know,
from Shine Down and one Nott and then Bobby and
then you know, when Wayne died, there was no original
members left, but Wayne, you.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
Know, had the name.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
And you know, I don't want to get too much
more in it's because you know, they battled it out.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
So yeah, there's a lot of craziness. But like I said,
we hung out with those guys all the time. I
don't even remember how we hooked up with them because
it was pre internet, so how do you link up
with a band out of Memphis? But it happened and
they were great guys. Yeah, so yeah, let's get into

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this and see what we think and and you know,
Meltdown is prefer prefers this version. We'll see if I
come around to this version or I'm true to the original,
and then most the Jones brothers can tip the scales
and see what happens here.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
All right, all right, quick commercial break, We'll be right
back with Careless Whisper.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
So yeah, I wasn't sure what to expect. Didn't know
if it was going to be true to the original
production wise, or if it was going to be a
you know, different take on it like this, I will
say that guitar that's taking the sacks part does squeeze
out some of the same emotion in my opinion, at

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least I'm I'm I'm hearing it. There's a there's a
there's there's a warble to it. I guess like a
I don't know what effect that would be. That would
be more Chris's territory to identify the effect that's put
on it, but yeah, I mean it's it's uh, as
soon as it kicked in, I'm like, okay, like I

(45:35):
get exactly what style of music we're getting here, but
it's I I'll say that that that lead guitar part
it does. It's it's not a saxophone, but it does
achieve some of that same emotion that it's going for.
At least that's what I'm feeling so far.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Well, the key is he's he's not taking any liberty
is with melody line and that that would be a
deal breaker because say what you want about the original whatever.
We'll get more into that as we get into the song.
But that that sas hook on the original that's being
transferred over credit to the guy in see either for

(46:19):
not you know, like inserting some blazing shred riff in
there or something staying true to it, because that is
everything in this song. And yeah, certain things you can't
take liberties with, and that's one of them.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
As big as the original song, the whole song is
what's what's going to be the part if you're going
to put it in a commercial that you want to
be the most identifiable part of the song, You're going
to put in the opening sax part. Oh god, yes, absolutely,
that's that's the hook really as hook as hooky as
the rest of the song might be. Meltdown mentioned earlier

(46:58):
Baker Street that sacks hook is the whole song essentially,
you know, and it's three or four notes, very simple,
don't take liberties with it, just lay it down. And
that's what the guy did. Yeah, go ahead, sorry, no,
like turn the page.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Oh that yes, yeah, another one exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, Like when Metallica did it, they didn't mess around
with that part.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah, he played slide guitar instead of the sacks and
it came out. It came out good. So I will
say the other guitar or the rhythm guitar, it's obviously
down tuned. And that's sort of a fairly recent thing
like tuning down to low C or whatever they tuned
down to these days. Sonically, that just that's a little

(47:47):
much for me. It's like the the the trend of
down tuning is not something I'm I'm much of a
fan of, but I'm also an old man. It's not
uh designed for me. But you know, with the incorporation
of seven and eight string guitars and tuning everything down,

(48:10):
I prefer stuff and just regular concert pitch. But that's
my only quibble there.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
Well, you're old and I just bought a Buick, so
you know that's a new one.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
That's the law. Yeah, one of those invistas.

Speaker 7 (48:23):
That's the law now, yeah, a certain age, right, Yeah,
but I got a sport version, so I feel like
I've kind of.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Well, he bought a Buick. I had my hip replaced,
that was my equivalent. So you know, I got a
Buick in my body. It's about that big, made of
the same materials as meltdowns Buick.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
So well, I think we're just about ready to get
into the lyrics here.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, let's hear what the vocals are like.

Speaker 9 (48:55):
So is that take your hand and lead you to
the dance?

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Poor as music dice? Something in you calls you Manda Sill.

Speaker 10 (49:17):
The screen noll is sid I'm never gonna dance against
chusy feel man about someone's easy zero percent.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
I know you're not fool.

Speaker 9 (49:36):
Shut him known and see.

Speaker 11 (49:39):
The friend and waits and since the not tank of
some one, then I'm going to dance again the way
dance with you.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
My humble opinion. I think the verse, it's like, okay,
like I've heard the you know in this genre of music,
this type of singing, you know, But when it got
to the chorus, I'm like, okay, this guy, like this
guy can belt it out sure like it was it
was it it I'm assuming just to sort of achieve

(50:17):
an effect kind of you know, taking it easy during
the chorus or during the verse, and then you kick
it up during the chorus. But when he kicked it up,
I'm like, yeah, he's he's put he's belting it out.
He's really pushing.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
And that's what the original is like too. It's kind
of like a almost a spoken yeah verse. Not quite
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I mean so it makes sense for this this era,
this type of music. I mean, it's not like the
it's not a Pixies dynamic or anything like that, but
it goes from a sort of you know, there's a
there's a build there.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
And I think what I told you guys earlier about
how it was kind of like a gag that they did.
Maybe I was building up you're in your impression of
it that it might have been a gag, but I
think that they really tried hard with this song in
my opinion, Yeah, and that that.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Kind of harkens back to the urban legend, which frankly
I think is bullshit.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
But what what no I just I know exactly what
you're and I agree.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
The quiet rye Yah, the come on feel the noise
where it's like, Okay, we we don't want to do
this cover, but the the the record company is making
us do this cover, so we're gonna do a shitty
version of it so they won't put it on the album,
and they ended up churning out this classic that is

(51:37):
wonderfully executed. You can tell they're bought in, and it's like,
but the you know, the the talking point was, well,
we don't want to do that, the record company made us,
and we try to do a shitty version, and they
put it out and it became a hit. That's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
That seems to be a pretty common I guess, just
story from a lot of bands, whether they're true or not,
but that seems a pretty common where it's yeah, we
didn't even want to do that cover. The record company
forced us. Yeah, like you hear that all the time. Well,
in a lot of cases, it's a song that's a
version that's beloved and even a hit sometimes.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Yeah, apparently Meltdown said that this was the impetus for
this one was the record company. Well, Brow couldn't stop
running his mouth and he couldn't stop doing cocaine up
until the very end either, or so too, and those
two things tend to go together. But but yeah, no,

(52:39):
I mean I I just think that, you know. So
here's my here's my issue with the whole pop trash
comment that Meltdown came out with. Because you clearly you
like this version, right, yeah, okay, you like the song.
The song is the song, and the song is great.

(53:01):
What you didn't like was the packaging of Wham.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
I don't think I ever listened to the original song
and said that this song has more more punch to it.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Well, of course it doesn't, he right, But but the melodies,
the lyrics, all that stuff factors into your enjoyment of it.
And that's all from the original and this the song
is the song, and the song is great. What you
don't want, what you didn't like, And a lot of
people were put off by it was the packaging of Wham.

(53:32):
I mean, when Wham first came out, George Michael with
the frosted hair, the Freddie Mercury shorts, two ear rings,
which back in the day, we were we were just
getting used to the notion of guys wearing one earring.
We'd that had finally become acceptable, that it's still masculine

(53:54):
for a guy to wear one earring. Here comes George
Michael with two look look at like a warman, and
we're just like, okay, this is too much, you know.
And so we were all, you know, us rockers the
eighties were put off by it. But like a lot
of that stuff, over the years, you listen back to

(54:14):
it and you you got to appreciate the song craft
of it really well.

Speaker 7 (54:18):
I'll listen to the original one again sometime, but it's like, listen,
when I was in the eighties, it's like all I
wanted to do is be, you know, and just blasted
with rock music, and it's like I heard this song
probably like at a roller skating rinker, you know whatever.
I never searched for it, right, and it's like it
was just one of those songs that was kind of there.
And then when Cither did, I'm like, oh, I can

(54:41):
appreciate this because rocks.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah, Andy, Any thoughts on it so far?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I don't, I think over the course of doing this show,
but probably more so in the last couple of years,
I get irritated or fatigued with music that's produced this way,
where everything, every drum sounds like a cannon. It's just
too much for me. But I understand, you know, and

(55:09):
I'm on board with what Nick said. Whoever, what's the
singer's name of this group, Sean? Yeah, Sean can belt
it out, no denying it. I think this is, as
far as I know, the first time I've heard anything
by these guys. So maybe I'll have to go check
and see if I've heard any of the couple of
hits we mentioned before. But yeah, definitely can sing. So
I get it if you were turned off by, like

(55:33):
Chris said, the packaging of what it was, but there's
no denying you know what's on paper here well, and
it could be done in any style. And a great
song is a great song.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Again, the melody hook, whether it's saxophone or the you know,
warbleag guitar or whatever it is, is a master a
master stroke. The lyrics are great, the melody of the lyrics,
it's all. This is one of the great pop songs
of all time. It simply should not be dismissed as

(56:03):
pop trash by somebody like melt Out. It just a
ambushed I've been busting your balls about this for years now.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
Some of the comments on Facebook. I don't think people
understand it. They don't I got a comment about it, but.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
You know, yeah, whatever, it's you know, it's an inside
joke of course, Yeah, I know it's funny. And you
know the photoshop I put up of you and Andrew
ridgeally this week people were spot responded to that positively,
But that's what it's all sourced to it, and it's
just uh, the song is the song, and it's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
And speaking of where you guys are talking about places
in Detroit, do you remember a small place called Pharaohs
It was I think they did a lot of punk shows.
I think they're Andy and I was a Golden Cup.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
The one time Andy and I played and I was
like right outside of Detroit, right, it wasn't actually was
it in Detroit.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I'm not sure, but it was.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
It was in the area and we were playing there
one night and there was a place like a couple
of doors down that and on the small marquee it
said Quiet Riot was going to be there. This is
probably like ninety nine, I'm thinking, and we're like, wow,
Quiet Right, it's going to be here in a couple
of days.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
They just googled it and it says it was in Westland, Michigan. Westland, Yeah, Westland.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
I wonder if the place of Quiet Right was playing
what's a token?

Speaker 8 (57:33):
I don't know, whatever it was, it was like right
by it.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
It was like a strip mall and it was it
was probably like a little Caesars in between the two
or something, most likely something like that Nail song. Yeah,
but in our minds were like, oh, okay, I guess
we've made it.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
We're at the.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Level of quiet Right in the circuit. Yeah, okay, let's
keep going. It just occurred to me this guy's voice,

(58:22):
I hope, I don't hurt anyone's feelings. He's a better singer,
but he phrases some words the way the puddle of
mud guy did.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I could hear that.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
What was that guy's name?

Speaker 7 (58:34):
Wes something Scaling the only guy to ever hang up
on me an interview and I will never interview him again.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
But why did he hang up on you?

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Oh my god?

Speaker 8 (58:46):
Was it over the him?

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Grunge trash to his face and he he wasn't like
having it all right.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
Quick story.

Speaker 7 (58:54):
I interviewed him for I don't know seven minutes, and
at the beginning of the interview he told me he
had no songs as far as new songs. This was
like in twenty twenty one, and maybe I'm sorry, maybe
twenty twenty in.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
May so it was covidka. He had no songs.

Speaker 7 (59:09):
At one point he said he had eighteen songs in
his back pocket. Years ago, I had met Wes and
and he showed me in his back pocket he had
this paper bible he carried around with him, and in
this paper bible he had a fake backstage pass and
he used in Kansas City to get backstage olymp Biscuits
show to get his demo to Fred Durst, which then

(59:31):
got them signed. So I said, oh, in your back
Now I'm dealing with the guy who was supposed to
well he is a publicist said he was sober. It
didn't sound like it to me. Anyways, I said, oh,
in your back pocket, like your paper bible with that
fake backstage pass, and he goes, yeah, uh no.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
Nothing like that. In hung up, I'm like, Okay, I
don't know what this is all about.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
That's weird.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, he's train wreck. I mean, he's has been a
mess for years and just you know, like cutting gigs,
shore getting arrested constantly. He's a he's a a nightmare.

Speaker 7 (01:00:10):
But anyways, going back to what Anny was saying, it's
like that was probably this time, you know, of the
you know, the early two thousands and whatnot. But at
the same point, he's also South African and has an accent.
I don't know if that, you know, leads to anything
as far as singing his concern but you know, I'm
just spitting out some sort of excuses.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah, No, I didn't mean it necessarily in a bad way.
I just thought, oh, it reminds me of, you know,
the way certain singers will phrase like a vowel or something,
or the way they end a word that kind of reminded.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Me of and I'm reminded reminded a little bit of
Chad Kroger of Nickelback. I hear some similarities and how
they phrase things, which which makes sense. Similar genres, not
the same genre.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
All right, let's continue.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Sure, swishipers of go from to the heart of mine,
ignorans can.

Speaker 10 (01:01:18):
There's no comfort on the troops pains.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I'm never going to dance again. It's guilty of you know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
Though it's easy to pretend I know your knowledge.

Speaker 9 (01:01:38):
Fool.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
I should have known that set a friend and waste
that sestgever. So I'm never going to dance again. Way
I dance with whibe, you won't now count please dance.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
It's a lot of that's that's up there, like going
to that bridge. He's still pushing it out.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I'm it's a very like this genre of music. I
admittedly it never really connected with me, but I am
really just admiring the vocal performance here. Yeah, yeah, it's
he kicked he kicked it up even further for the
for the pre chorus. So, I mean, whether it's you know,

(01:03:13):
someone's someone's cup of tea or not.

Speaker 8 (01:03:16):
You gotta you gotta hats off to it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
And they really are making this song work there for
this genre, like it's it sounds like it could have
been an original song written in this style. Yeah, Like
they really are adapting it very well. So whether whether
someone likes this or not, if they you know, this

(01:03:39):
is something they're into or not, you have to you
have to admire that they really really committed to it,
and it really it's they're pulling it off really well
for what they're going for.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Yeah, I had have to agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Was there ever any reaction from George Michael about this
that is known by anybody?

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
I think George Michael was gone before this song came out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
He no, he only died I live within the last
like ten years or last right? What year was this album?

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
Seven seven?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I'm sure he was still around.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
He died sixteen?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Oh he did?

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
I thought I thought he died a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I wonder if Christmas Day?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
That's right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yeah, rough one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Didn't let me die like a couple of days later.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
I believe that the same year, Oh, the same year, Yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
Thought so?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yeah, rough week or so thanks, Nick, we're having.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Well the song this song is, that's the mood this
song is putting. It's a it's a song about loss
and yeah and sadness, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Cheating and guilt and stuff, you know, and it's like
it's a very melancholy song.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Regret, right, Like I'm sure Meltown regrets the quote that's
being thrown back repeatedly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Never he could be at Legends right now if he
didn't make that quote.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Well, I see, I don't want him to reject that
quote because that means I will have to stop having
to bust his balls about it, you know. I want
him to dig his heels in on that, because then
I will fire back with mebes and whatnot on his
threads that nobody knows what the fuck I'm talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
And I remember we were Legends and I didn't have
any money, so I went to I went to the ATM,
and they wanted me.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
They wanted me to pay twenty dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
To take money out of the Atmhe oh yeah, wowus
that was in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
I think have I told you guys, I know a
guy who owned who owns at ms, and he's got
them in strip joints and and then the fee is
around that time. You know, you know how much the
strip club gets off of that fee, at least for
my buddies telling me, we'll just say it's twenty dollars,

(01:06:02):
can I guess, yeah, nineteen fifty?

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
Oh my god? Really?

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
And he gets the guy who owns the ATM gets
fifty cents off that transaction. It's still way absolutely worth
his while because of so many transactions.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
He should get a new agent.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
No, he he, he undersold the previous guy because the
guy was this is going to come as a surprise
to people, but the people who own strip joints are scumbags,
and they just yes. And it's like, you know, the
previous guy was probably like nineteen and a quarter. And

(01:06:41):
he guy's like, I'm tired of paying out seventy five
cents for all these transactions. I want that extra cord.
My buddy swooped in and said, yeah, I'll do it
for that money, swapped out all the ATMs and it's
it's still worth his while.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
But wow, yeah, boy, should you got half?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah exactly, that's what you would think is probably around half. No,
it's almost one hundred percent. Goes to the club and
they don't even they don't even fucking own the ATM.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I personally will go really far out of my way
to avoid an ATM fee.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Oh that's the main reason why I still have my
checking count with Chase, because they have so many ATMs
that the thought of paying an ATM fee is the
equivalent of being sounded to me of having a shard
of glass inserted into my wreath. Thride, I won't have.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
That back when when they had them in Walgreens locations,
I would, Okay, I'm just worse the nearest Wallgreens, I'm
part and running out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
When they took them out of Walgreens, I was like
in distress for a while, like, what the fuck am
I going to do now?

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Chris Bundy took over the Wallgreens exactly undercut undercut him.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
But I, yes, I'm with you on that, one hundred percent.
No fucking way I'm paying a fee. I won't put
myself in that position.

Speaker 7 (01:08:05):
No. Well, it's like, you know, you go just to
a bank that you don't belong to, and it's like,
would you, you know, just ask your friends, would you
just take three dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:08:12):
And throw it in the street? Right, Yeah, that's what
you're doing. Right.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
It's like, you know, three bucks is you know, just
three bucks whatever. But to me, it's kind of the
principle of it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
But it also it adds up and it is the
principle of the thing. And fortunately, you know, the the
increasing becoming a cashless society, there's less need to go
pull out cash as much as you used to. But yeah,
I'm with Nick, I won't fuck it. I will, I will,
I will go without whatever I was gonna pay cash

(01:08:44):
for rather than pay a fucking ATM.

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
You no fucking way, especially twenty bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Oh well yeah, but but you know you're fucking coked up.
You have an erection. You're you're gonna pay that fee.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
The boy scouts selling popcorn in front air and just
out of luck exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:09:01):
Yeah, but you're at a strip club. It's like, where
do you, you know, slide your credit card?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Wow, wait a minute, Well, nowadays you just tap it
and you're good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
You know, it's more sanitary that way.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Yeah, you just tap it, there's four lights light up,
and you're good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
More swiping, it's not allowed anymore, right, the thing of
the past swiping, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Actually, they pull out the old carbons and run it
through that big fucking machine where they slide that plunger
back and forth. Remember that, that's how fucking old I am.
I remember that I step.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
I worked at a place where I had to operate
one of those. I made a mistake on one. It
was a nightmare to fix.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yeah, I'd.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
A little bit more to go. Let's keep going.

Speaker 11 (01:10:01):
See the friends ways, So I'm not don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Dance where D's where.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I'd say an outro solo with some variations is accepted.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
It worked.

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
Tastefully.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
He did wait until the end to launch into something
that's that's perfectly fine for a cover version. Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Now I'm looking here on the Apple Music credits, this
has written by Andrew Ridgeley George Michael. When I was
quickly looking on Wikipedia earlier, just said, George Michael, is
this the song?

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Or was it the Christmas song that I was gonna
there's the story about that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
George Michael basically gifted credit Andrew Ridgeley.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yeah, I've read a conflicting accounts like this was this
This song was the bridge to George's solo career, and
he just yeah tossed him a bone and writing credit.
Who knows what what kind of dynamics are going on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
And with George Michael, because he didn't as far as
I know, on stage, he wasn't really playing instruments. He
was more just kind of the singer, dancer, all around
kind of pop front man. When you hear stuff like
him or Michael Jackson or whoever, you're hearing that they
composed this a song like this entirely by themselves, just

(01:12:26):
you wonder about the process. I know this is this
can go pretty deep, but it just they're just there's
certain artists like that where when you see that they're
the soul songwriter, you're like, wow, I've never really even
seen them play an instrument, Like I'd be very curious
to be a fly on the wall, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
You can't picture him sitting down and grabbing a guitar
apart guitar or whatever version of it, maybe programming a
drum machine or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
But then yeah, like chord progression and all this kind
of stuff, It's like, it would just be interesting to
see someone who live on age you don't see play instruments,
put together a demo or something like that of a
song like this.

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
I could see somebody like for example, like Elton John,
you know, doing something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
Yeah, like he could do everything, you know, right, Yeah,
he is not pop trash.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Yeah well okay, no, biggie, no, I agree that he's not,
but I whatever, keep keep the pop trash going because
the fuels are back and forth on social media. But
the I think anybody, like anybody who it's if you

(01:13:39):
if you're a songwriter, at some point you have some
have to have some proficiency on an instrument, and more
times than not, it's piano. And in terms of as
we've talked about, songwriting is lyrics and melody and that's
all you need. It's in terms of like, well we're
going to turn the sacks, we're gonna turn this melody

(01:14:00):
hook into us this, we're gonna have that played on
a saxophone. That's a production decision. A lot of people
have an input on that, but the core songwriter is
the person coming up with the lyrics and the melodies
that that qualify for songwriting. It's like you know, we've

(01:14:24):
talked about it. Drummer comes up with a signature drum
lick or drum intro, they don't get a songwriting credit
for that unless the songwriter wants to throw them a
bone and give them one, but it's not lyrics, it's
not melody. It doesn't technically qualify for a songwriting credit.

Speaker 6 (01:14:44):
Like a hot for teacher or something exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Or think of it. You know Tom Sawyer the drum
break in the middle, It's like, I'm sure he got
all three guys got songwriting credits because that's that was
dynamic of the band. But if it was different, been like, well, yeah,
everybody plays air drums to that, but it's not lyrics,

(01:15:08):
it's not melody, so it's not technically songwriting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Yeah, so does Tommy Lee have one for Doctor Feel Good?
I wonder if they split that up because I was
when you said a signature drumming thinking right away, M.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Yeah, or girls, girls, girls, even that open high hand,
that opening, that's I mean, that's signature right there, right.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
And it's funny you mentioned Doctor Feel Good.

Speaker 7 (01:15:34):
So the other day when David Ellison was in town,
we were going to have dinner and and Doctor Fieldgod
was on, and he and see, I'm not a musician,
so I never picked this up before. But then I
heard this song later and I'm like, Okay, I see
what he's saying. He said, Nicky six he had some
sort of writing credit with feed My Frankenstein and there's
that same kind of and Chris, maybe you can help

(01:15:55):
me out with this.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
David said it was something.

Speaker 7 (01:15:58):
But there's a dudn't didn't didn't And it's like the
same type of thing with Doctor with a feed by
frankensteiners and there said down picking or something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:06):
Yeah, it's it's the same type of thing.

Speaker 7 (01:16:09):
And those both those songs came out with within a
couple of years of each other, and I never caught
that before until Ellison said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
That's during the verse. I'm guessing is that mostly when.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
It's interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Hmmm, Yeah, it's just you know that technically qualifies as
probably a melody hook or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
And he's a He's another one where honestly, even though
he's on stage playing an instrument, you hear so many
people say Nicky six is not really a bass player,
and you wonder, okay, like, but he's he's the spearheading
songwriter of all these huge songs, right. I would just
like to see what that process looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Yeah, Nicky six, Mick Marris only writing credits on Doctor
Feel good. Really, that's robbery for Tommy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Well, yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it's the it's
whatever the dynamic the band is. And that's one of
the reasons why so many bands there's resentment sets in
because at some point it's like, you know, people are
picking up on the little guitar riff I threw in there,
the drum fill I did in there, and I'm not
getting any songwriting credit. What the fuck's the deal? And

(01:17:19):
that's where the money is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Yeah, and if these guys are showing up with things
that you don't have, well sure, yeah, absolutely, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
You know that'd be yeah, that'd be pretty rough. You're
showing up to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
You know, Honking a boat horn with your cock is
pretty cool, but I'd rather have songwriting residuals.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
I think Nicky was in the background on his yacht
is much bigger boat honking it with his hand.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
He hires other people to corns with their cocks for it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
You had a remote control for the horn, right, Andy.

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
You were talking earlier about like the big drum fills
and the sound and whatnot, And when you were saying that,
I was thinking Doctor Feel Good from Motley Krups that
whole record. It's like, I think they recorded that in
like a in like a concrete hall. I heard how
they did it one time. I think John Krabby or
somebody told me about that when they were doing you
know that the Motley Crew record.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
He was in.

Speaker 7 (01:18:13):
But it's like, you know, Bob Rocket, all these tricks
and stuff and to make these drums sounds bigger and everything.
And when you brought that up earlier, that was the
first thing I thought of, was you know Tommy Lee
and those days.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Yeah, for sure. Oh well it's injustices, right, that's the
band dynamic.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
You know something The Beatles were the same way. It
was John John and Paul song, or it was a
George song, or was a Ringo song? Was never all
four ever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Yeah, some of those old beats from the like Ticket
to Ride or whatever, those are great, but exactly no
songwriting credit.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Magical Mystery Tour, all of that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Yeah, none of that. None of that qualified as songwriting,
you know. And guess what. They broke up after six
years because they hated each other.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Bobby Rood says the Darkness split everything four ways period,
just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Like the Chili Peppers too Peppers so that must just.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Be in agreement that some guys have in advance, like
we're gonna just take whatever the best songs are and
split it, and we trust that we're all working hard
to make this happen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Right and also just like you know, recognizing that certain
contributions are as vital to the popularity of the song
as as lyrics and melody are.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Yeah, and keeping the band together, well, yes, there's that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
So well.

Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
You heard the story about you know, Van Halen approaching
their management. It was Dave and Alex and Eddie and Andy,
they approach their manager and they're like, you know, we
got a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:19:50):
And they're like, he's like, what's the problem.

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
He's like, Mike al Anthony ain't doing ain't They're like,
Mike Anthy's the nicest guy around, and he was just
you know, like like you were saying. And the guys
were like, yeah, well he you know, he's not contributing
anything or whatever. But Michael Anthony was, you know, he
was just holding down those baselines, those you know, those
those backing b.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Yes, exactly, He's Yeah, anybody who says he wasn't doing
anything is full of ship. It's just not true.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
And well, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Akin to saying careless whisper is pop trash the original version.
It's just it's just a statement that's complete bullshit and
should have never been said ever.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
All Right, check please, why did I come here?

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
It's messed up?

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
This is how we celebrate anniversaries around here. We fucking
rip apart the guy who just celebrated a huge career
milestone to say he's full of shit on this.

Speaker 7 (01:20:49):
I came here in nineteen ninety five. I couldn't have
seen this happening.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
No, you here, we are now. You should have listened
to your dad, given up after six months and done
something else.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
All right, exactly, all right, Well it's time for us
to vote sweet Surrender or kick in the crotch. How
about meltdown goes first? Because you kind of, uh, you
brought this one sort of, I mean by way of Chris,
but you brought it up in.

Speaker 8 (01:21:17):
The first place.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Just a reminder focus the voting on this version specifically.

Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
All right, So what are you talking to me or them?

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Everybody?

Speaker 7 (01:21:28):
Okay, Well, here's the thing. It's like, when Chris asked
me to be on the show, I'm like, cool, let's
let's let me figure out what song to do?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
Then he texts me, he's like, we're into Careless.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
I'm busy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:38):
Okay, No, I mean Sweet Surrender for sure from me?

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:21:48):
Hell yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:21:50):
I mean it's one of my favorite cover songs. As
I stated in that post, which I completely forgot about.
I thought I posted that pop trash comment just to
comment online.

Speaker 6 (01:22:01):
But no, it's in there now that Chris brings it
up to me.

Speaker 7 (01:22:04):
Okay, I I I remember that. Now do you remember
any any of the other cover songs I mentioned at all?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
I don't. The whole the whole pop trash line just
scrambled my brain, and you know it just formed a
vendetta about that. But but this was included in a
list of cover songs that you enjoy, and it was
about eight of them probably.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
And I think Death Punch.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Oh yeah, Jesus, don't get see that? All right? Is
it my turn yet? Sure? Okay, okay, I'm I'm gonna
give this a Sweet Surrender.

Speaker 9 (01:22:46):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
I enjoyed it more than I was expecting to for
a lot of pretty much Nick articulated it. He's used
absolutely spot on his assessment of it. And I'll also
say that it is infinitely better than the fucking Sound
of Silence by Disturbed and any of the fucking five

(01:23:09):
Finger Death Punch covers. All of those are fucking desecrations.
Every cover they've ever done is a goddamn desecration. What
have they done? They've done bad Company, Blue on Black,
What are.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
Something Brian and Bradley Giller.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
I don't care. It sucks, it's terrible. It's garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
They had Brian May on a Death Punch song.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
It doesn't make it okay. It's terrible. There's just no
nuance to it. It's just ham fisted, heavy handed garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
I've never heard any of their songs. I can't wait
to keep it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Keep it that way if you possibly can. I know.
But this is not that I think this was a
little little better done. That's not even proper English. This
was done better, you know, true to the original, but modernized.

(01:24:13):
But I will say that I totally agree with Andy
and the production. About halfway through, I was just like,
I don't know if I can make it to the end.
This is a fatigue. And listen, I hate the modern production.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
It's it's the loudness, warst r it is it's just
it's distorted.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
It's not a pleasant listen unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
All right, Nick, I'll give it a sweet surrender. Hell yeah, again,
I will say it was It's a genre that I
never really This subgenre of rock metal, whatever, was not

(01:24:56):
one that I really got into ever. I I can
warm up to it a bit now and in retrospect,
but I will say again that they really turned this
song that production wise sounded nothing like this. They really

(01:25:18):
took that song, that eighties song, and turned it into
a legit song for this genre. And it's Yeah, you're
gonna you're not gonna have a saxophone in it. You're
gonna you're gonna have the guitar with some sort of
effect on it playing that, And I think it was

(01:25:40):
tastefully done, uh, sticking within the boundaries. And it's with
that saxophone part, you're not gonna You're not gonna mess
with it too much. It's kind of like if you
were doing a cover of El Bimbo from the Police
Academy movies. You're not You're not going to stray from.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
You know the name of the side I do from
the Blue Oyster.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
I saw them movies. I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Everybody knows that. Yeah, you're not going to stray from that.
You're gonna want You're gonna want to hammer that home
first and foremost, which is what they did here.

Speaker 8 (01:26:23):
So yeah, all right, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Falls on me. Huh, I'm kicking it. I have more
good things to say about it than I thought I would,
which why did I kick it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
But just in general, I don't know what it is
about music from this time period with like the whole
active rock thing something about it. I don't know if
it's because that was a period when I was in
a band and I sort of considered that style to
be like the mead heads, the mead heeads, like on

(01:27:08):
the the enemy side of things.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Yeah, I know, it's totally understandable.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Yes, So it's really difficult for me to be uh,
impartial and just try to give credit where credits due. Again,
everybody did a great job. As far as the players
in this everything sounds you know, they sound like a
bunch of professionals, great vocal guitar works, good interesting stuff

(01:27:33):
kind of happening in the background. Don't have a lot
of bad to say about it, but I just I
can't stamp it in a positive way because I hate
this time period and specific genre of rock. It just
I don't know, it would go against who I am
as a person for me to stamp it and would

(01:27:53):
a different way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Would it be a stretch to say that? And this
is another point of discussion. We'll see what mel Down
thinks about it. Would it be accurate or inaccurate to
say that you also are not a fan of the
people who are into this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure that's a big part of
it too, because.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
I mean that's a big thing. That's like that I
always say about the Grateful Dead. It's like people hate
the Grateful Dead. I wager to say that it's mostly
has little less to do with the music and more
to do with the filthy hippies that are into the band,
and they're just like, I don't want to be associated

(01:28:33):
with that crowd whatsoever, so I hate the band whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
I would also fall into that category right right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
And the same thing with like, you know, as somebody said,
this is jock rock, meatthead rock. You know, one of
the reasons why you know, Metallica the fans, old school
fans when they came out with the Black album just
were fucking appalled because like, you know, they're trying to

(01:29:03):
draw in the fucking meat heads, and they did to
massive success, but it's like goes away from like sort
of the anti establishment version of the band that came
before that. And I think a lot of bands that
are despised Nickelback for another one. A lot of it

(01:29:25):
has to do with the perception real or imagine that
the people who are into this music are shittheads that
I don't want to be associated with.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
I feel that there's a lot of things in my
lifetime that I've lost interest in or just flat out
refuse to explore or accept because of that reason.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Yeah, and I think a lot of people are the
same way. I think people naturally are like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Yeah, Like I don't fit into this scene. I'm not
into I'm not into it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
Well, I heard somebody say one to I'm a very
smart woman, I know. She said.

Speaker 7 (01:30:02):
You know, people they may not remember what you say
or you know whatever, but they always remember how you
made them feel. And sometimes when you're hearing a song,
if you may like it, but it just it just
doesn't make you feel a certain way, and therefore you
may never like the song.

Speaker 6 (01:30:21):
Yeah, that's you know, huge kind of something you can't explain.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Yeah, you can't explain it, and it's different for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
But well, and that's why I mean, when you're fourteen,
like the summer of being fourteen, you for the rest
of your life. I think you love whatever albums you
were really into. There's something about that, you know that
I think that goes along with the quote about how
it makes you feel.

Speaker 7 (01:30:48):
I think this song came out when I was fourteen,
so it pop trashed me forever.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Well, and that's the other thing, as we were, you know,
listening to the song. First of all, I don't think
I've ever really like paid that close attention to the lyrics,
but just the lyrics are brilliant. The song is masterfully written.
It's a it's a masterpiece. And I'm sure I dismissed

(01:31:18):
it back in the day because of the way it
was packaged, like I did a lot of them, Like
you couldn't admit that you like Duran Duran back in
the day because they were pretty boys and the chicks
liked it, and it's like, well, I can't be seen
listening to Duran Duran. Do you go back and listen
to it. It's fucking great. Great musicianship, great songwriting.

Speaker 6 (01:31:44):
Yeah awesome. I've got a lot of their Yeah, yeah
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
And you know, Wham was a little over the top because,
like I said, you know, George Michael coming out with
two earrings. It's like this, this guy is a you
know what the F word or whatever was going around
back then, and it's just like, but now, at least
I do appreciate it for what it is. And you know,

(01:32:09):
the careless Whisper Sacks thing. There was that video series
going around to the guy just showing up in random
spots and playing it, and that was good in the
middle of stuff, you know, but the song itself is
a masterpiece. And you know, if you like the song
way it's performed, I don't know. I just don't think

(01:32:31):
you can really label any version of the trash. That's
where I'm coming from.

Speaker 7 (01:32:38):
Well, I really got into a lot of stuff after
I got back into vinyl in twenty seventeen. Stuff I
never really listened to as a kid, like a lot
of progressive rock like Yes, Yeah and Rush and different
things like that. I never listened to Yes at all,
and then I got in there. I got back into
vinyl and just to throw a Yes record on the

(01:32:58):
turntable and walk away listen to it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
It just kind of spoke to me differently.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Super Tramp, Well, you know you're you're you're fixing to
get thrown off of this show by dropping that name.
But in fact, I think we've we bickered about that
in the past.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
Crime of the centuries, like that record Stellars.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Stop now stop that, end this discussion direction immediately, it's
my show, putting a stop to it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
Up in Super Tramp was Steve Gorman.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I'm just saying, you know, everybody's got to work, but.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
America masterpiece garbage ship.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Come on, you want to talk about impossible to listen
to that idiot's voice over the lead singer? Is this
shrieky voice, get out of here?

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
Yes tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Yes, I can be uh board with to a degree.

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
But I mean the Yes album Fragile, Uh what is
it not? One two five? And it is just great records.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Yeah, close to the edge all that shit. And they
were they were massively popular in the seventies.

Speaker 7 (01:34:16):
So it almost sounds like when they were writing their songs,
they were writing them as they were recording them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
I mean something else we talk about is how how
much amazing material these bands churned out in a short
amount of time. I mean, yes, was putting out an
album a year and touring of this like high, high level,
complicated music. There had to have been some of that
going on, just winging it and coming up with it

(01:34:43):
in the in the in the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Let me tell you something real quick and ty, something
that Meltown said a minute ago together says here. The
song we're talking about, Careless Whisper has been covered by
acts including see either Ryan McKnight, Roger Williams, Julio Iglesias,
and Kenny G. Now Meltdown earlier said something about how
things hit you different at different ages. I was talking

(01:35:12):
to Nick earlier today. He told me it finally happened.
Mark it on your calendar last night.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Last night in November, I was on Amazon Music put
on a Kenny g album, just kind of chilled and
listened to it first time, first time ever, like there's
a reason he's famous. And Nick found out why it happened. Yeah,
it happened. It's a it's an unfolding story as of.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Right now now, at any other point in your life,
you would have been like Nope, not interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
I never rejected Yeah, I'm not putting that on, but
uh no, last night, for some reason, I'm gonna put Yeah,
I'll put that on. Listen to the whole album. Sure
it just hit right, huh, it hit right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Well, he's another one who just takes relentless criticism. I mean,
just just this within the past week I saw from
a Norm McDonald and Weekend out about Kenny Kenny g album.
It's like, I hope you like crap. Yeah, you know,
and it's just like that becomes the you know, mob

(01:36:15):
mentality at that point. People pile on about it and
it's like you can't deny that the guy can play
right well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
And I and so I did a little reading up
on it. I'm like, okay, he started his career with
Barry White. It's like, okay, he was like seventeen and
and was so basically like was prodigy. That's recording with
a bunch of aces.

Speaker 8 (01:36:37):
Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
And it said he's the most popular instrumental artist of
all time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
I thought it was Gary Hoey.

Speaker 8 (01:36:46):
Well I think it was.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
It was until then.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
How he's getting his Christmas albums are gaining some momentum back.
So okay, challenge putting up a challenge to Kenny.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Kenny g is the smooth of instrumental musicians. Basically the
biggest of all time. No, no disputing that. But but again,
you you find you, you you tap into that, you
find that avenue with which you can become the biggest
of all time or something. Of course you're gonna double

(01:37:19):
down on that. Why wouldn't you. Somebody's got to do it.
Why shouldn't it be you?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Don't you think the majority of the reason that he
got so much hate in his careers because his hairstyle.

Speaker 8 (01:37:28):
It's possible it's really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Well, I mean it's like what Howard Stern had a
similar hairstyle, going, yeah, I guess so. I mean he's
not the only one.

Speaker 8 (01:37:39):
Yeah, he's that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
That bass player is guy's a cave man, Kenny geez, Yeah,
I have no live bass player. I don't know if
it's still the guy look him up.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Okay, all right, we'll do that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:51):
I'm gonna have to. I have no idea what you're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Yeah, I don't either.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
I don't know if it's still him. But I saw
saw clips like who is this guy? And why is
he so intrigued?

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Should pair him up with Foegerties drummer from The Black
and White Night or whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:38:08):
Two guys.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
You don't want to upset no hard working rhythm section.
You want a rubber stamps.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Yes, sir. If you disagree with us, we're sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
So there you have it. There's I don't know, Nick's
got a picture. He's he's sharing a picture.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Over there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
There's the bass player.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Let's see this guy. We go see this together. Here
Chris is going to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Show everybody, show everybody second. That's yeah, that's that still
image at the bottom there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
You'd have to yeah, I can't really tell. Yeah, like
Logan Paul playing bass from here?

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
I mean I was going to drop a name that
meltdown will respond to it. Kind of looks like Nick Lidstrom.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
See there there he is talking a little bit. Looks
like it could be an could be an eighties like
Brian boz Worth kind of guy there you go, could.

Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
Be you know, okay, must be like sweetish or something.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
I don't know, but apparently a monster on the bas So.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Yeah, ain't a bad gig to have. But you Kenny
g pays his people pretty well. It's not like the
guy from Filter.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
What's his deal Patrick something, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
One of those guys who got raked over the coals
in that Netflix documentary about like sidemen or like hired
guns at all. Yeah, he didn't come off very well
because he just pays people pennies and stuff. And it
goes back to what we were saying about our dynamic band, Dynamics.

Speaker 7 (01:39:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Yeah, the band's name is Filter, but it's his show. Yeah,
and like these are the terms. You get paid fifty
bucks a gig, take it or leave it, you get
no songwriting residuals, blah blah blah, and you know, a
revolving Dora musicians. But he's still out there doing it
under the Filter Moniker.

Speaker 7 (01:40:05):
So yeah, he told me one time that you know
Trent Reznor's you know, you probably heard the story about
where Trent Reznor said, well, if you know, you go
to go deliver pizzas, right, Yeah, exactly, And then you
know and obviously you know his brother.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Is so who's brother Richard pet Oh yeah, the guy
from The Termination?

Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
Yeah, Robert Patrick?

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Yeah really, Oh well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
I could see it now.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
I did not know that you guys didn't know that. Yeah,
there's a bit, a little bit of trivia that's stuck
in my brain right next to the angst about pop
trash just wedged itself, wedged itself in my frontal lobe
and is never going away.

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
So I was going to say that this song was
so close to like the original, that that's what made
it so good, But then I would say that and
Chris will say, well, what was you like the original?
But I think this was just heavier and I kind
of I did. I do like how they didn't really
like veer too far away.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
It's like, yeah, no, I get that. I totally get
where you're coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
So all right, well, thank you again for joining us. Meltdown.
Can you remind everybody where to find you?

Speaker 7 (01:41:17):
Yeah, Meltdown rocks on x and Instagram and Meltdown WRF
on Facebook.

Speaker 6 (01:41:22):
That's a long story. One day I'm going to fix that.

Speaker 7 (01:41:25):
But I have an old email and they keep sending
me the the code to change my name on Meltdown
WRF to my old email, which I don't have, and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Like a never any sir, don't you hate that? As so?

Speaker 7 (01:41:39):
Yeah, hair Nation on Saturday nights on Sirius XM and
Ozzie's Boner and on Sunday nights. I'll be on this
well when you in this areas, I'll be on Monday morning.
But every Monday throughout December, I'll be on Ozzy's Boner
Monday nights.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
So yeah, that's the serious thing is fairly recent. How's
it going.

Speaker 7 (01:41:58):
Oh, it's going great. Yeah, I start in May, and man,
I love it. I have so much fun. The response
has been really killer, and you know, that reached out
to a new you know, people all across the country.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
It's I can't say enough good things about it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:14):
And you know, they encouraged me to tell my stupid
stories and talk about pop trash.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
That's the best, right, Yeah, the idiot that has angered
you on social media and then drops memes and stupid
comments and all your threads.

Speaker 6 (01:42:35):
No, it's super cool, man. I love it. And yeah
I sent it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:38):
I sent my you know, I sent that picture with
Darcy and stuff, and it's like gave them a plug
their you know last week on serious exim and stuff.
It's uh, yeah, it's so much fun. And you know,
like I said, been a riff for thirty years, so yeah,
they's franking Ray Long.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
That's awesome, man. Yeah, and just you know, in all seriousness,
I've mentioned this before, but the fact that that I
I'm friendly toss the word friend around, I mean, that's
a that's a high bar. But the fact I'm like
friendly with and associated with a guy who's been who's

(01:43:15):
a fixture on the rock radio station that I grew
up with when I was a kid is beyond cool
to me.

Speaker 6 (01:43:22):
So always I appreciate it as well.

Speaker 7 (01:43:26):
You know, we text, you know, back and forth, and
I'll walk my dog and listen to the show. I
heard you guys talk with Jericho, you know, a couple
of weeks ago, and it's no, it's it's great. I
always love coming on the show, So thank you guys
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Absolutely, if you haven't suffered enough, one quick segment before
you go, Nick's got a seasonal joke for you.

Speaker 6 (01:43:45):
Seasonal. Here we go, the jokes come out.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
Thanksgiving joke Nick to you to share at your table.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
Feel free to tell this at your power to anybody
who will listen. They will stop listening to you suit afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
If you feel like your guests have been there long enough.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
This is when you take these jokes out.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
This is when you bring these jokes.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Out if I may after you're done. I actually thought
of one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
You want to go?

Speaker 7 (01:44:25):
You know you?

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
Okay? First?

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
So yeah, that's the other thing, melt down. These have
to be original. It can't be a joke book or something.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Chat, GPT or any Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
You have to actually, yeah, all right, here here we go.
What two teams played in the first ever Thanksgiving football game?
What two teams played in the first ever Thanksgiving football game?

(01:44:55):
I don't know, Nick, Well, i'll tell you first two
ta to ever play in a Thanksgiving football game where
the Los Angeles Yams and the Houston Fixings.

Speaker 6 (01:45:07):
Are you my god? I waited for that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
You didn't wait?

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Well Fixes? Okay, and now I get it?

Speaker 6 (01:45:16):
Why.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
That's pretty good. Actually, it kind of grew on me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
It took a minute to see myself for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
I would transported back to the Houston Oilers and then
yeah right, yeah, okay, it's about to get worse because
I came out I love it the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Who is a Turkey's favorite comedian?

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Then a Turkey's favorite comedian?

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
I think I know what. I'm not going to say it.
I'll tell you if you reveal it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
If I have it, I think you probably know where
I'm going with this meltdown, and I guess no. Let
it rip. Andy Giblet Godfree.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Had a different What was your gel Iglesia? He's not
a comedian, isn't Gabriel Iglesia as a comedian? Fluffy Fluffy
the fluffy guy.

Speaker 6 (01:46:25):
Yeah, singer, Okay, yeah, j.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
That's a good one either or pick your punchline, regale
your family with those jokes, get thrown out of whatever.
I gathering your hat.

Speaker 6 (01:46:41):
By the way, what's the greatest Thanksgiving movie ever?

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Planes, trains and automobiles? Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (01:46:49):
That's an Yeah, there's there's a new horror movie Thanksgiving,
which came out last year.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:46:55):
It's it's decent, but it doesn't have the impact that
planes don't.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Oh no, that's again.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
That's that's a class doesn't have the ending that the
tear jerker ending. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:47:06):
And by the way, Paul Young, I got that on vinyl.
It's like, what a great song. We should do that
one day every time you go away.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
Yeah, I have I have things to say about it,
right that?

Speaker 6 (01:47:20):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Yeah? That one the horror movie doesn't have the Those
aren't pillows line and that Yeah, that's that's the that's
the that's the cannon shot that one.

Speaker 7 (01:47:33):
James Hadfield quoted that to me one time. Another name drop,
and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
How one that line. Those aren't pillar Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:47:41):
We were talking in an interview and he's like, those
aren't pillows, and like, you know, it's just one of
those real moments that he just like just threw it
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
Yeah, that's how entrenched that movie is in the in
the in just everyone's consciousness. It's yeah, there's there's no,
they're not even a close second, that iconic of.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
Yeah, I'm not really right, there's That's not a subject
that's really been dealt with much.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Maybe it's because nobody wants to attempt it because they
know they'll come up woefully short of pens, trains and automobiles.

Speaker 7 (01:48:12):
But you know what, Andy, like we were talking about,
certain things have a certain feel, and to me, that
movie feels like Thanksgiving. Yes, it's like everything about that
movie feels like Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
Absolutely, like it's such a great it's thing. You can't
quantify it, you can't define it, but it just yeah,
puts you.

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
There, especially in Middle America where we all you'll live.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, well, thank you, meltdown.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Yeah, thanks again, buddy, Glad we hashed this out and
it will continue to go back and forth on your
social media.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Peace in the Middle West.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Now there's a cease fire. Wait until it's next four
at four when I drop a Wham song in there
just for no reason.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
Right back at it, always welcome, all yeah, all right,
thank you, thanks dude.

Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
It's smeltdown. We know that he'll be back to askin
from time.

Speaker 11 (01:49:15):
It's spelldown from downtown Motown.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
We got that guy.