#397: Opposite Gender Friends, Evicted Therapist, Doctor Anxiety

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The only thing that frustrates me. Can you please tell
us in advance when you're gonna do shit like this?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, because it comes back on you.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
No, No, we want to go watch.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I just hear the story and I just.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Like, can't go.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I want more. I want to actually experience. Thank god
they didn't tape it. I asked them of coming up
next to the tape of Gym's talking. Oh good, I
can't well. I stared with my wife Fick.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
From Fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada. This is pod therapy, real people,
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Broadcasting from the Churn. That's Jim, that's putting me on, Nick,
It's time for some pod therapy. Welcome everybody as we
mow through the very fucking hot month of August. At
Jesus Christ, Dude. July was so gentle in so Desert.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I had a buddy of mine who had moved away
a couple of years ago, was back in town and
so we had I took Friday off. We had three
days of golfing. This weekend in like one hundred and
fifteen three heat. My god, Sunday, yesterday afternoon, I came
home and I just I laid down on the living
room floor and I just fell asleep. And I stayed

(01:24):
there for four hours on the living room floor, and
I did not move, and I still up until about
two hours ago.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I wasn't feeling right.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm pretty sure I had heat exhaustion. I don't think
it was heat stroke, but it was definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
He played the full course at that at that heat.
Oh yeah, dude, that's we played eighteen holes. That is
so dangerous and goes like, did you play the full course?
You know? Isn't it true that you've never played a
round of golf? No, right, at which I'm pretty good at, which,
as the name suggests, is smaller, Yes, and exhausted. I

(01:58):
do not have the stamping huh. Oh yeah, I mean
you got to talk about elite athletes. Yeah, yeah, you
know that there's a mini golf tournament on ESPN eight.
You know there is, and they are at least Okay,
I don't see you went in that tournament that you're better.
You're not. Yeah, shoot it through a windmill tangement. Have
you been to the Swingers place, Not not that kind,
the Swingers golf course at Mandola, No, I have that.

(02:20):
I went there is a good time. That was really cute.
It's fine. I've been there. Yeah, it was really fine.
They designed a really fun course. It moves to really fast,
kind of like half bar half like indoor funds. They
just they just made an announcement though they're letting kids
in now. I guess they do. Yeah, well, at least
they were over the summer time ago. They have a curfew.
They'll only let them in until like seven pm. That's

(02:42):
too late, you think, so seven like four?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, this was I don't know who did this one different? Yeah,
probably no, Tiger Woods did the other one.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Uh, that one. I believe it was called Mario town Square.
That one, yes, that's his. Oh that's his? Yeah, okay,
which I've also played at and one and won a
tournament there. I am very talented. Speaking of talent, we've
got some great questions. And if I believe that, I

(03:15):
wouldn't no picture.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I don't believe usually.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
But you don't have to announce it, OKAYND trophy proving
he played around a popstr one and he won does
not count as his round of golf.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Course, it doesn't damn it for trying, because I feel
it should. I don't know that golf is defined. Yeah,
it actually is.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, okay, literally defined. I felt like it was more
of a spiritual rule book.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, it's well defined.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Okay, it's defined to the point that people watching it
on TV call the the Federation to report rule breaking
and they are encouraged. Karens oh, yeah, golf encourages Karen's
encourage nitches get panties. Patreon dot com slash therapy. You'd

(04:07):
like to know more if you'd like.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
To find out which one of your hosts got a
black eye? Uh and gave it to themselves. That's a
good Which one of your hosts got boot off stage
at a conference? And you'll never guess which one of
us at all. Was very exciting times patroon dot com

(04:29):
therapy support the show busy, It was very busy. We
got We've got some great questions. Yeah, this was all
on a Wednesday. Hey, friends, and the first topic opposite
gender friends, Hey, friends and family. I just wanted to
hear your opinions and thoughts on something I've noticed about
myself over the years. I'm a twenty eight year old male,
and I find that I have an easier time talking

(04:51):
to and making friends with people who are female or
female presenting. I have guy friends, but even most of
them were raised by older sisters and or I've realized
I just don't relate to most guys. I don't like sports.
I work out, but not for the same reason a
lot of my guy friends do. I'm not trying to
look baf for shredded or whatever. I just like not

(05:12):
struggling when lifting things or being able to help others
when they can't lift something heavy. That's it functional fitness.
I work on cars, but only when I have to.
I don't get a ton of joy out of it
unless I'm helping friends who know absolutely nothing about cars,
which is kind of fun, to be honest. I also
work a trades job, and I'm surrounded by men who
are nothing like me. Meanwhile, the women on the first

(05:33):
floor of the building way easier to talk to. We
have more complex conversations. I enjoy the more sensitive topics
they bring up, and they tend to share more about themselves. Overall,
I present and identify as a cisgender male and I
love who I am and the friends I've collected along
the way, but it's just odd how I consistently don't
connect with the average guy. Meanwhile, I have friends at

(05:56):
male friends who do connect with that crowd, your typical
gym bros and sports fanatics, and it just doesn't click
for me. That said, I've never had trouble navigating conversations
with coworkers or managing those relationships. I've worked at my
current job while going to school for the past two years,
and I've been fine socially. But my friends have joked
that I was written by a woman, and honestly I

(06:18):
find that kind of flattering. Still, it's odd. I currently
have a girlfriend and love her, but even when I
was single and trying to talk to women, I somehow
only hit on women who turned out to be gay.
The running joke was you like women so much, you
only attract women who also like women, which honestly comedy goal.
And no, I don't dress or present in a feminine way,

(06:41):
at least I don't think so. So it's just interesting
that I feel way more comfortable talking to women over
most men. Also worth noting the guys I do get
along with usually grew up, as I said, with older
sisters that they respect, and they were raised primarily by
women and didn't have strong father figures around. So is
there anything y'all have to say about this? Am I

(07:03):
doomed to never have my broke back Mountain moment with
a super jacked cowboy? Am I forever destined vibe? I
don't even know what that has to do with the
rest of the emails. I think we just want that
to happen. I think that could just happen.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah's conscious, that's not.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
A destiny writer. You make that ship happen. You go
find your Jake Jillenhall, You.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Go to a mountain, get yourself a Maile Hooker, and yeah,
broke back, that's what you did do, y'all?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Thing.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Am I ever hit a Halloween store on the way
out so you can get your cowboy gear?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, keep the receipt. Am I forever destined? It is
going to be so Halloween take They don't take any
COSTCO would take it back. Am I forever destined to be?
To vibe with a demographic that I ironically seem to

(07:55):
make nervous. Thanks Anonymous, we should call it an a misodrogynists. Yeah,
I didn't hear a problem. It's an interesting question.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, it sounds like life is just good and you've
got friends, and you've got people that you're cool with,
and you've got people that you don't jive as much with,
but you can communicate effectively with and interact with.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
And also it sounds like you got life pretty much
locked down, and just like two, you also have something
that makes you unique, you know. I mean, you work
in an industry predominantly with men, a trade industry, and
you have something that kind of sets you apart from them.
You know, you enjoy going to the gym, but again

(08:39):
you kind of have something that kind of sets you
apart in that sense too.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Like, I don't know, I agree.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I think this is a you got a great thing
going for you, except for the fact that, like if
you would like to have more male friends, and sometimes
you struggle making more male friends, I think maybe that's
that might be a problem.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
But I don't make friends with girls that have brothers
or boyfriends.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
That works out well. I feel like what's coming up
here is societal norms, and sometimes that can be tough,
especially twenty eight years old. You're still like young, growing
into those mid adult years where you start feeling more
confident in who you are and what you represent and

(09:20):
how you spend your time and who you spend your
time with. Feel like throughout your thirties you're you're really
solidifying a lot of that. But I feel like in
your twenties there's a lot of like how do I
fit in in this group? And that goes back to
like early human eras for survival, like, hey, I need
to fit in with these other, like this other group
of people so that I can survive. And so I

(09:40):
think our little lizard brains kind of do worry anxieties
might come up thinking am I on the outsmine danger?
Am I in a risk of harm by not being
accepted by a group of people? But Jacob's right, you know,
we don't live in those that type of you know,
human dynamics.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I love that we don't. And and as something like
in the Patreoon, we were talking about some of the
ways that therapy has a long way to grow, you know,
when it comes to helping men, and how even therapists,
who I think are a generally more enlightened group of
humans and work really hard to think carefully with empathy
can still make you know, big mistakes about the way
we think about people writ large. And what I like

(10:23):
about this question, and especially Jacob's initial hot take on that,
is just how I'm proud of society that we're starting
to redefine or undefine the concept of masculinity. Like remember
Tool Time or what was that show called Home Improvement
Improvement with Tim Allen? Remember that guy Al And he

(10:44):
had like the big beer flannel and he was like
the handiest dude. He could actually do all the things
that Tim couldn't do. But part of the bit about
his character was that he like baked and shit, he
got along with like Tim's wife really well. He was
like super sensitive, yeah, super sweet guy, and like Tim
would always ge him a hard time for it, and
like you know, that was the ongoing joke because Tim
teases him because Tim was like macho and stuff. But

(11:05):
then Al could actually build and fix fucking everything and
Tim didn't know what he's doing. And just like I
appreciate that as a society we've gotten further and further
away from like stereotyping and like making it have to
be a certain way. I love that this letter represents
a human who is absolutely as masculine as any other
man and just happens to find that he connects well

(11:25):
with women, and probably not all women. There's probably women that,
you know, just our personality type, that we might associate
more with traditional or stereotypical masculinity, and that's not his
jam either.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
So he probably doesn't relate super well with the types
of women that Jim would yell at from stage.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, women.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Why would he do that? Why would he ever do that?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
To teach him nothing at that?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Go find out? No, I feel like relationships.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
To join the page.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's really good, it's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
I usually don't say that. Today's the day we raised
the paywall.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
I'm sorry, Oh no, you're fine.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I was actually thinking about you know, Peter and I
w and we tend to make other couple friends. Most
often of those friend groups, Peter will kind of connect
more with the woman and I will connect more with
the guy. But I think it's because if we're going
into what I tend to see like online, let's say,

(12:31):
or on social media, is like, oh my gosh, women
are like running the household and like keeping everything in
line and paying the bills and doing all this stuff
like that's all the ship Peter does. He's like, he's
like the less organized, the organized like structure. I'm just
here for the ride. I'm like, hey, this is great.
I'm glad you're doing like the worthless one that they

(12:52):
always say, like, oh I have this like third child.
I'm like, there's a reason we don't have kids because
I would be their child today.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I know.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
But no, deep down it's like something like inside me
stirs when I see those stereotypes projected online. That's why
I thought it was an interesting discussion to have in
the Patreon if anyone wants to go listen. But it's
because it is complicated. And Peter loves watching sports, but
like and like doesn't love being pushed in the gym

(13:22):
or like, you know, let's go to like he goes
to the gym just to be healthy, mentally healthy, whatever,
Like none of it is for these like normal macho
like reasons.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
And you know, you know, here's something.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
When I was younger, I probably thought more about masculinity
than I think about it now.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, and now I just think about what do I
want to do?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Right, and now I'm like like I'm gonna be me,
I'm gonna and I'm gonna do this thing that I
wanted is like, this is the person I'm talking to.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
This is the person I'm talking to. And I guess
I don't think about it as much, right, I.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Don't know because you're not twenty eight anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Maybe it's because I'm not twenty eight. I don't know.
I think it's it's one of those things that I mean,
society is allowed to think about big macro things. I
think that's fine, But yeah, I think it's also something
that's becoming more and more of a dated concept. Like
I just think that a lot of us are outgrowing
that word as if it can apply to half of
a species. Like, I just don't think it does.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I mean, I think being confident in yourself and just
moving through life with that air of confidence in oneself,
I think that's going to make you happier and more
attractive to other people than being masculine and like in
the football and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Sure, and you're going to attract people that like you
for you, right yea, as opposed to trying to change
who you are in order to attract somebody. Then you're
just going to attract people that you're not going to
get along with, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think just being
the most genuine you is the best thing you can do.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, Like, there are plenty of people that I that
I work with see all the time, you know, and everything,
and like, you know, we're perfectly friendly at work.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
We can communicate perfectly.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Well, We're never going to hang out, right, we just
don't have things common that we're going to enjoy each
other's company, you know, for long enough to really make
any plans. Yeah, if we're sitting near each other at
a bar, we can talk for five minutes and we'll
be okay.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, And I think that this this concept what the
writer's talking about. I definitely have seen this play in
each direction. Right, Like I remember growing up with some boys,
you know, and there was a boy in fourth grade
named Neil, and I remember like just he was really
friendly with all the girls, like and I remember like,
but we were young and stupid at the time, and
so it was like, oh, why does Neil sit at
the girl's table at lunch, you know, why does he

(15:33):
hang out with us? Like what's going on with Neil?
And like we didn't like harass him but I remember
there was something like, oh, he stands out. But it
was funny because I remember it started with, Yeah, what's
up with Neil? Why does he talk to the girls?
Because in fourth grader kind of like girls are dumb,
But by the end of fourth grade, you're like girls
are kind of pretty. And then we're like, hey, Neil,
like can you can you like work me into this
table man? Like I mean, like what's going on like

(15:54):
your friends with kind of all of them like yeah,
like we all kind of thought he was like a
super pimp and he's like no, like are you like dating?
Somebody's like what, No, we're just talking about like lunch.
You guys are playing checkers. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was
winning it life. We just hadn't figured it out. Your
fingers smell beer, Christ But no, like on the the shoe.

(16:15):
On the other foot, I think that there's there's like
I've seen this in the opposite as well. I've seen
I've seen women who get along really really well with men,
and there's like they just like, when I consider you
somebody who just I you're very disarming anyway, I think
you're just a very talented therapist. But like I think
One of the reasons you've worked out really well on
POD's therapy is because you know, we don't have to

(16:37):
censor ourselves. We don't have to be you know, different.
You tolerate us really well and you play along and
like you're in on the joke. You don't offend EAZ
and like, yeah, great, and like, I don't think that's
every human could just like kind of do the code
switching and be very comfortable with not their own gender
right away. And that could go either way, men or women.
You know, if it was swapped and I was on
a show with three ladies, you know, I don't know

(16:59):
that I could code swing.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Which just.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
But dump bitches in him.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
About hell, I don't understand why I can't make any friends.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Look, I got something off the goddamn list. Okay, I
did a thing. I got no praise for it, not
wucks cares, But you harass me all the time for
not doing this. Is if this is.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Part of the forty by forty, you have to do
all of these things while pissing off everyone.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah, ye, dolphins, the dolphin Kingdom. I'm going to insult
all of the dolphins and.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh my god, I'll find a way, well right, The
King news is, I think we're all in unison saying
that this quality is not something to be concerned about,
something be praised. You are not the only man who
is this way. You are not the only person who
is this way. And I think we're all kind of
in agreement to abandon those, you know, concepts of masculinity
wherever they arrive. There are there are stereotypes, there are pluralities,

(18:07):
There are like archetypes and lanes, and that's like, that's fine.
You might see the majority of sports watchers tend to
be men. Great. I don't know that that therefore means
sports are inherently masculine. I know plenty of women that
go crazy for sports, and it's offensive to them if
I say, no, sports are a masculine thing. That's not fair.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I have a girlfriend who just was like, do you
all want to put together a fantasy football lego? Was like, hell, no, one,
speaking of.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Which I'm going to announce the draft on so that
that will be coming out shortly. But anyway, writer, I
think we're all on your side on this. There is
nothing here to fix. But if you do want your
broke back Mountain moment.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
It can happen for you.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, that's achievable. I think we can match make. We've
had people. We will get you a man. We have
people standing by in the discord intense. So many cowboys,
so many cowboys. We are gonna take a quick break

(19:13):
and when we come back, we're talking about a therapist
who thinks they are the problem. You're listening to pod Therapy.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
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Speaker 2 (19:32):
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Become a therapy Patreon dot com slash they all right
trivia today. This one took a little bit of time.
I wish I had more time to do more of
these because I think this would be fun. We're doing triplets.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Oh hot, Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
So you're gonna have to buzz in for these. And
here's how this is like the categories game that we
played before. Right, list stuff off and you have to
get a single one of these. Okay, but here's what
we're gonna do. I'm going to read off the first two.
If you can buzz in and name the third thing,
I'll give you five points. But you also have to

(20:10):
be able to get the category. You can't get the
third thing and not tell the it's.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Way too hot. I think you haven't. I think an
example would be lovely.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I just think of something Larry, curly.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
But mo and then the category is the three stooges.
Five points.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Okay, the category so if nobody knew it after Larry
and Larry and then I throw out the third one,
then you'd say curly, and then we.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Say the three stooges got it for one point? All right, okay,
all right, here we go.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Metamorphic igneous.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
But let them go.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I have to name the third thing, though, ship Every
time we do this edamorphic igneous animals, sagittarius volcanic volcanic.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
No, that would have been one of my granted no,
I would like to hear the third one.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
You shepherd and whitney right into traffic. You're pressuring you
into it. You may go, ladies. First, he lived in
the bag and just kicked her over the volcanic sedimentary

(21:40):
I believe types of rock.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
God Jacob's playing the long game.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Damn sit overhead and enjoy my point. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Mallius incus stay peas, what stay peas? Types of peas?

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Read them again, please.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Mallius or malice malius m A L L e U
s incas stay peas spell.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Incas I N c U s in. I don't think
any of us are getting Do we lose points if
we guess blind?

Speaker 4 (22:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Okay, it's not like the s A T H stay
ps periods of time. No, that was a good guess.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I'm gonna go with body parts.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
You're in the.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
A little more specific, all right, I don't know, can
I Okay, let's go with I'm gonna go with bones.
I think specific parts of the ear, parts of the ear, drum,
parts of the inner ear.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Give you, I'll give you. I'll give you a point account.
What was it, the three bones of the human ear?

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Okay, yeah, I'll take that point, he said, body it's
like that, I mean exactly what it was. Yeah. I
was like, fuck, I just know that's year. I mean,
if we were bowling, we definitely had the bumpers in. Yeah. Yeah,
it kind of worked our way, not above it we're
not above it. Alright, we go tie game nineteen fifty five.
Fuck you, I'm just mad already years years Yeah, name

(23:29):
the other two at thirty seven, there's going to.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Be pin numbers nineteen fifty five, twenty fifteen, eighteen eighty five.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Nineteen fifty five, buzz years from Back to the Future.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yes, year's Marty McFly travel to in Back to the
Future movie.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Okay, I was trying what you're driving like worlds me too.
I was like, see, the trick is not anything.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, I've seen movies, do Millionaire.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I put them, I put them in order.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Nineteen fifty five, okay, all right, last one for this round,
Michael Neil.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
But fuck, can I go next? You said Michael and Neil. Yeah,
Buzz the Apollo one astronauts, No one. I'm sorry, No,
I'm sorry, buzz sh Hey, don't worry, it'll come around

(24:51):
you wait. I'm gonna go with Apollo eleven.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Okay, he got it.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
We handed him sucking ear the last one. I'd say
the wrong number. You were ten off. It matters, Jim
Off to a commanding lead. I was thinking, just Apollo astronauts.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, Lance Armstrong, the correctly they are triplets because it
is only three.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, so you wouldn't be able to say astronauts because
there are more astronauts.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh I was wondering, right, Yeah, Okay, well this is
off to a fun start. Okay, next question. I'm a therapist,
Am I the problem? Yep? Moving on great questions. Yeah,
I think we found a new format for the show.
I just want to do this. Just we'll do thirty
minutes of Patreon and we'll just some trivia. Get the

(25:51):
fuck out of here, go get a beer. Hey, pod therapists.
I am a marriage and family therapist based in Tennessee
and love listening to you guys. Shout out to Whitney
for female representation. Woop whoop. I listened to your show
on my way to the office in the mornings to
get my therapy brain activated, and I've found that it

(26:12):
really helps me think more creatively and feel more confident
in the room with my clients. So thank you for
this therapy space where we can think critically and have
a few good laughs along the way. I'm writing to
you regarding a professional dilemma I found myself in recently.
I wish it were something juicy, like how to tell
my boss I slept with her husband, or tell a

(26:33):
coworker that I'm her biological mom. Let's just go with those.
I like both of those, just to be clear, in
either of those scenarios is real, but it's rather mild.
Let's just do that anyway. Practice this is next level therapy.
Just fucking lie and create problems. It's how U stay employed.
I'm I just really appreciate your perspectives as professionals in

(26:55):
the mental health field. Thank you. I work at a
private practice based in a smallish town. This practice is
well respected and is run by a reputable LMFT who's
been practicing for over a decade in our area. Last year,
she moved several hours away to a different state and
only comes back to our office about once a month
to check in. When she left, we had eight practicing

(27:17):
clinicians in two locations about twenty minutes from each other,
serving two different cities slash counties. She just recently announced
that she is planning to merge the two locations and
all clinicians will be practicing out of the office pod.
I currently practice in. Long story short, we have five
offices in this pod with five practicing clinicians. Two are

(27:38):
planning to go remote in the fall, which will open
up two offices. If you're doing the math, that means
we have three clinicians coming over with only two offices open.
When I asked my boss about what her plan was
regarding this scenario, she expressed that I will likely have
to switch offices and share an office with one of
the other clinicians coming over. I currently have the best office,

(28:00):
large room, natural lighting, couch, two accent chairs, a plate
therapy corner, and a table desk. My office is very
soothing and receives many compliments from new clients. Besides the
main furniture, I shopped for and decorated the entire space
on my boss's dime. I've been with my boss for
over two years, more than most clinicians here, and even

(28:21):
helped her move from our previous office into this new
space a year and a half ago. I immediately became
anxious when my boss announced this change might be occurring,
not because we'll have other clinicians in our space, but
because of the possibility of having to switch offices. I
feel like it would be embarrassing to relocate within my
own pod and fear it would feel like a demotion.

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After my boss announced this, I immediately messaged her privately
and expressed my preference to remain in my office, that
it would be meaningful to my clients and myself. She
did not offer any reassuring response and essentially said she'll
try to make everyone happy with this transition. I should
also mention that the other two clinicians remaining in this
pod do not have to move or switch offices just me.

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I'll also mention that we all bill around the same
number of client hours weekly. All of this to say
my feelings are hurt. I don't feel hurt or appreciated
by my boss. I feel left in the dark about
professional decisions that directly impact my clients and myself. And
I feel like I can't talk to anyone about it
because it feels like a private family practice matter. That's

(29:25):
why I'm coming to you, guys a very public platform.
Am I overreacting? Does this make me less of a
team player for having a strong opinion about how offices
get divvied up, especially because I wanted to come out
in my favor. Should I pursue another conversation with my
boss about the significance of this office space, even though
she shot down my last attempt. Should I just quit

(29:48):
and become a real estate agent? Any feedback is welcome
and appreciated. Time to log off and regulate my own
nervous system again, kindly, Queen of the call exterior inner
mind a log in shambles.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I feel like next supports the quit become a real
estate Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, where you are real estate markets are, she said,
smallish towns. Yeah, you're probably doing pretty good as a
therapist in a small town. But I don't know here
my take on this, I've had different I think your
office space is really important, and I think.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Your office space is important.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
And I even noticed a difference between when I was
an administrator versus when I was a clinician, because like,
I definitely had better offices when I was an administrator. Yeah,
you know, because I had more of a pick, I
could kind of choose where I wanted to be, and
also was usually in humble brag. Yeah, it was usually

(30:53):
in like an administrative space, you know, so it was
separate away from the clinical area.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
The riff, the riff raft. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, it's stunk down there, Yeah, smell poverty. But I
had better offices, that is an administrator, but my office
meant less to me. Yeah, as it did when I
was a clinician. When as a clinician, it was like,
this is my space, this is I control this environment,
and I bring other people in here, and like, I

(31:23):
don't know, it just felt different to me. So I
don't think you're wrong for feeling the way you feel.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
I'm confused that why you have to move offices to
like if people are coming in, I could get maybe
having to share it. All right, you have a big,
nice office, we have we have limited space. People are
gonna have to share. We're gonna you may have to share.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
That's the correct move is Okay, we have not enough
offices and we have too many therapists. Then we then
all the offices are rotational. That's how clinics should do.
It is like you don't have designated spaces. You have
spaces that maybe you took the leadership by decorating, but
they're all generically offices. Yes, and then we all just
there's office ABC, D and E and you just rotate

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and you like book an office for the day.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
That's kind of like the practice I'm with now, that's
a little bit what it's like. We have one space
and we share a calendar to say, like who's going
to be an artist? Because a lot of us are
virtual that there might be like one day a week
we're accommodating in person clients, and so we just split
that up.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
The office is a resource, yeah, and you just move
the therapists in and out of that space. That's how
I think most programs solve this problem. Yeah, but no,
I agree, Like, and this is something that I think
that the public wouldn't naturally think about. But like, whenever
you're a therapist, the very first office that you decorate,
that for a lot of us, that's a big day,
Like for my baby therapist when they graduate and they

(32:48):
like get their first like job, their first big kid job. Yeah,
and like that's the thing they'll text me is like
a picture of their office.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Oh yes, They're just so proud.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
And they're so proud of it, and there's just like
there's a whole like, oh look at how they did this,
and like and it's just really funny because like, as
I guess, we're going back to this idea of like
stereotypical masculinity. I personally call it masculine like flowers I'm
not good at decorating. I don't give a ship. So
like my first office, I just uh like co least
with a female therapist. And when we sat down and

(33:17):
looked at it, you know we're going to share this office.
She was like, so I want to sit down and
want to like get your design vision. I want to
understand like what your tastes are. And I was like,
here is a check for my half of the budget,
and I don't care. I don't give a ship. I
would like a chair, like a chair big enough that
I consider like I will go chair shop it. Yeah, yeah,
I'll make the chair. Otherwise I don't give a ship.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Would you would have you'd have Jim's mojo dojoa house, Oh,
that would be.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Jim's House of Therapy and no light sign on the
wall like Marlborough Merchant, my talking fish.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
On the wall. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I was just referencing that big, big what's it called? Yes,
And they were like, I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know who I was talking to. Just like
last week, they're like I've never seen this. I like
looked it up and showed them. I'm like, your grandma
didn't have this in her basement. Oh, it was the
one from Ohio our friend we were out.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
At You take them now wire them into Like, yeah,
oh my god, I had.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
No idea what I was talking about. I was like, oh,
my gosh. Anyway, sorry, that's funny you mentioned that.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
So first office stories, my first office out of graduate school. Well,
when when I was in graduate school, again, this is
difference between administration and clinical work. My my internship in
my second year of graduate school was basically being an
assistant to the executive director of this program. Okay, and
so to the regional means. So his office was we

(35:01):
had this like rehab centers, an outpatient facility. Well we
had a residential center connected to it. But anyway, you
go up the stairs and that was the administrative offices,
and there's just five offices in one big boardroom and
it was nice, big skylight over this is your first gig.
And so I had this nice little office up there

(35:22):
and it was really cool. But then graduate I get
hired on as a therapist, and so my office was
it was a small closet converted into an office between
the men's room and the women's room. It was a

(35:44):
really big janitor's closet. Now, I decorated it nicely, with
the help of my ex wife at the time and
your ex wife at the time.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, decorated.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Got it taking where you can, But oh my god,
I get some fucking crazy ass smells.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Like the restaurants that's so awful, toilets flushing and yeah,
oh that's just rot.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
It cannot be turned find out later, like I ended up.
I did that for about a year, and then a
spot opened up in the residential facility, so I became
a residential counselor. So I moved over to the other
side of the building and come to find out that
my boss and skip boss that was kind of a
joke between the two of them is where my office was,

(36:35):
that's it, and they were just like and at some
point we got to get him out of there.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Right, So this has gone on for too long. There's
real people getting help from them. It's not okay. So writer,
I guess it could be worse. I think that's a
good cut on that. What was your first office, Whitney.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
I mean probably at the place, Yeah, the place. I'm
trying to think actually for a minute, so my internship,
you mean, like after graduation or just anything.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
You would consider your first like this is my big
girl office.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Like this is for me, I know, the one in
my house, Like I've always had shared spaces. I guess, yeah,
I've never decorated a therapeutic experence.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's not terribly common that people like get because a lot.
I mean, if you go into private practice back in
the day before we even really did telehealth, that was
your biggest expense. It's like, now you're dropping this money,
then you would decorate it. I hated that, man, like
having to go to the furniture store starting with like
an empty space and now it's just like worst. I
loved it. You like decorating the space. Yeah, I get

(37:34):
overwhelmed with it. So like whenever I was at that
office at West Flamingo, I think right after we started
the show in twenty eighteen, we recorded a couple episodes
in that one that thing was fully furnished. So I
walked in like that was the room that they just
had it, and I was like, I'll take it. This
is fucking great. And then like when I left that
place and I went to the other place, it was
empty and I'd go buy all my own shit. And
that was awful, Like I hate decorating shit, that is

(37:56):
so hard.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
I want people on Discord to post their office space
even if you're not.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
There's a therapist Discord where they do just I'll show then. No, no, no,
there's a different discord I founded on Reddit.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Like I know how to use Discord.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
That's the only I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Barely make it out of there.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
But it's one of the best channels in that Therapist
Discord is just people posting photos of their office.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's so much pressure. I'm like, do I put like
assusing picture, what color palette? Or like, do I have
a saying on the wall that's inspirational?

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Put a lot of yes.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Well, and you know what, it's funny because like a
millennial woman.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I have.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I think it still is the background fashion hanging there poster.
I think the background of my Facebook is still a
live laugh love poster with skeletor and all the.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Okay, I did have a little office space at one
of the group homes that I kind of put a
smidge in who is under the stairs? The no ventilation
but reminded me of a poster that one of my clients,
who are all teenagers by the way, I guess he
had finished and left and maybe came back to visit
or something. Shockingly, but he came back. He's like, miss,

(39:11):
I got you this poster and it was like a
therapist that looks like you know, Freud or something, and
he's sitting in his chair and then on the couch
is a unicorn and the therapist is saying, you've got
to believe in yourself.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Nice, Like that is so cute. That great.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
So I had that up on my wall.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
As much as I'm like, you know, minimizing how much
I enjoy decorating, which is not at all. I actually
do take like the office design very seriously because like
I mean, people don't they think it's just a room,
but it really does matter.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Like that the arrangement of furniture says where I'm like,
what the hell what are you doing off? Like that
was like your Grandma's donated furniture, and with is on
the wall.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well, even like where things are are positioned, like where's
the therapist in relation to the exits, is there is
there an object between the two of us, like claws.
Especially like as a man, I've I've had to be
very mindful of like how big the room is because
I've wanted to save money and get a smaller room.
But that can be too much, you know, like that
I'm I don't want to be knee to knee with

(40:09):
you because you're just on one side of the love
seat exactly on the other. Yeah, it's just too much. Yeah,
so power thing. Yeah, And so like there are just
a lot of little features go into is this space
gonna work? Does it feel natural? I think being comfortable
in a chair that you might be sitting in for
eight hours straight, you know, and like being able to
speak in there, things like the air conditioning. I remember

(40:32):
the most recent office I had. I would move to
this building. I'd gotten this like very rectangular, boxy office,
and then like it was just very hard to position
myself in there and give space for the couch and
so like I was at this weird angle. It just
never worked perfectly well because like the couch didn't face
my chair. It's like the couch was facing a wall

(40:52):
and like I was like off diagonally from it. Just
it was always tough because the clients had to like
turn on the couch and like face me at a
forty five degree right. It's just not good design right,
and I just didn't. I didn't have the furniture that
would fit the space. So then I upgraded to this
corner office in the building and it worked a lot better,
Like the couch fit. My chair could go right in
front of it, so we could talk face to face.
But the air conditioners were really fucking loud and so

(41:15):
like they would come on, and I didn't even notice
that until I had fully moved in and I was
in a session, and I when I when I had
moved in, it was wintertime, and so the aces never
came on. And then it finally warmed up, and these
fuckers cranked on industrially, Oh my god, and I was like,
oh no, we cannot walk over. This is too much.

(41:36):
It was like a goddamn diesel generation. And I just
realized with horror, like this is no longer a viable
therapy space. I have to shut this ac off. And
it's Vegas, right, and I had huge windows on the walls,
and I'm like, I'm fucked, and like all these things
can just destroy you. So like I really relate to
the writer in the sense that like getting your space
just right, feeling comfortable in your space, being able to

(41:57):
do this very intimate job. This space least does matter.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
It's an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Okay, yeah, it could have been like Jim's therapy slash
sweat lodge.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Okay, yeah, just hang a lantern just right, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
just sweating. Yeah, I just walk out in the towels.
What's up? Come on? Come back? That would Oh yeah,
oh yeah, we're gonna get We're gonna have a sweat.
Let's get in there. You're not gonna wear that, are you. Yeah,

(42:30):
you're gonna be really uncomfortable that wool coat. Come on back.
Pour some water on the thing, the hot stones. What
do you want to talk about today? Take this? Trust me,
I'll guide you. Just take this. Don't don't ask, don't
don't smell. It smells terrible. It's good for you, though.

(42:52):
I don't look at that tree. It's the bad tree.
That's the b I do agree with you, writer, but
I do think what I've seen in the modern era,
if you're going to be an owner, the owner I
think has the responsibility if you're if they're growing this well,
but they need to consolidate space. The correct way to
do it is that nobody gets short changed, especially if

(43:13):
everybody has equal but like this doesn't sound viable, right, Like,
how are you going to share if you both have
like let's say, sounds like you don't have enough space
if you're both doing twenty hours a week. I mean
maybe if you're going seven days a week. But like
again the round robin format, that's the only way to
do it is to have all five offices activated or
whatever amount there were.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
You're saying, like you could be in a different office
every week.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
They a lot of clinics do that, really, Yeah, they'll
just be like there's offices A through E, like you know,
UNLV's the practice. The kids don't get to pick which office.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I could see that in spaces like that where all
the offices look the same pretty much. Yeah, okay, I
mean it's not like, oh, this one's zen and this one's.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
We do that the children's clinics, though those students know
which one is the good one. Though. Yeah, that's true.
There's there's third ones. But we do have them decorated,
like we have a stars one, we have an animals one,
so like we have one in the kids one.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Different things. I get that for adults, I.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Don't have a preference, but if you make America enough
you can swap through. You wouldn't have any personal items
in there, you know, you wouldn't have your degrees up. Yeah, yeah,
like I have to have Yeah right, how are people
going to know? Just put everybody's degree up? Yeah, that's
just in the lobby mugshots. No, you just wear them

(44:34):
like a sandwich. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Oh my god, let's fla a flavor with the clock.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
That's how I want to wear my kernel certificate, Toko,
the gym's degree scoop.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, I can't wait. I don't blame you for being up.
I feel like finding a way to have a conversation
with your boss. Again, if there's some world where this
might be temporary while your boss is looking to expand space,
that might be a thing.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
That's one thing.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
It also could be temporary in the sense that they
tried this and realize like, oh, this isn't really working working.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
But I mean, if she moves out of her office
in there, yeah, yeah, you gotta put the toothpaste back
at the tub.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
At that point, well, just just do a sit in
it a bit. In these small sessions, tenths of the law,
in these small office settings, I do think there's something
to be said for she has seniority. Like I joined
this earlier, I was with the owner right away. I

(45:45):
have the larger office sometimes because I'm the most senior
therapist and like others come to consult with me, and
so like I need the bigger space because I might
welcome two or three therapists to consult on cases or whatever,
which is a lot of times whye administrators end up
with the larger offices because they have to says also
why it's really nice to uh, I mean to be
motivated when you're when you're young, to set a goal

(46:07):
to generate the most amount of revenue. Yeah, with the organization,
then you'll always get first off Yeah, and then it
means it means, yeah, get zone locker.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
You know why you don't want to be able to
be replaced with one person. Yeah, that's exactly goal.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
But I like the idea of talking to the owner,
you know, like and look, I can see the argument
of like it feels weird to ask for preferential treatment.
I could see the new therapists that are having to
migrate over to your office from twenty minutes away, them
feeling less than because now they're like why should they
be treated differently when they were just in a different space.
They're not less than those who are in this space.

(46:45):
Every it has become everybody's home. But that's where the
round robin format I think is the most equal thing
is to look at each office kind of come to
a group consensus. Does this room work for everybody? And
then you basically like just schedule your appointment. But I
can also where this is not going to work, like
they just don't have the space.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Still, it doesn't make sense to me. Everyone has the
same caseload. One is wheer is everyone meeting.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Here's what you're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
You're gonna get on Facebook Marketplace and you're gonna do
a search for r V and you're gonna park that
motherfucker in the parking and it's gonna be the satellite
campus and the new kids they're gonna have their offices
in the r V.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, it's gonna be right where it is. It's like
the portable. You tell your boss that I figured this out.
Yeah I'm also doctor smith. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
If so, there's one more library chef doctor recommends, I
can recommend approved.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Do I remember this correctly? There's one more therapist than there.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Is one extra therapist.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I think it's one. Yeah, I think there's well there's
at least one because she has some of them are
going remote. Oh yeah, that's right. Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I'm wondering if maybe the owner thinks that somebody's just
not gonna want to move from the other office.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Oh, they're banking on this just being a bailout. Yeah that, like,
I mean twenty miles.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Away, they're like, we'll see what happens and hoping they
just find somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
To Yeah, and they'll just be like, nah, if you're
gonna move the office, if I have to go, if
I have to drive, you.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Might be waiting it out. Yeah, they might be waiting
it out. That's a good point, your heels in writer.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
I don't kind of.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Wondering if like the administrator, the owner here maybe knows
something else.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Well, they're clearly not making the investment, Like that's clearly
a downsize. If you used to have two campuses and
everybody was full and they're consolidating one campus, you're letting
go of that half of town like twenty minutes away,
So you're consolidating and that downsize. Yeah, it might just
be a thing where the owner's like, you know, the
writing's on the wall, like, we're not gonna be able

(48:49):
to keep these caseloads up and I'm gonna have to
let one person go and migrate their caseload over to
the other person.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Well, I feel like probably just two people are like
we're going virtual. And then she's like, I'm not keeping
an office open for one person.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Oh, that could be that's what I was gussing.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
So she's like, you have to go over, And then
what Nick was saying kind of checks out a little more.
Maybe she's banking on that that other person either won't
last very long or just not start at all, or
we'll go virtual as well. But again, stay in your office,
don't Why isn't that the shared office? Then if someone
else to I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
I mean, I think, and if you can share it,
if you see a way to that, it could be
a shared office.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
That's a really nice counter offer to be able to
go back and be like, look, don't make me move,
but I can clean out this side of the office
and then we can share it.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
We'll put another desk in.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Over your schedule with someone like yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Always appreciated that when I was an administrator, if somebody
came to me instead of just saying like, hey, here's
a problem, yeah, to be able to say like, hey.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I've got to think about that with an idea, yeah, yeah.
And I could see going to the other therapists and saying, hey,
none of us wants to be the odd one out.
Do we want to come up with something where we're
regis arvy or the r V or I think the
obvious lands writers gradational in the office and then let

(50:02):
everybody know that she's had a lot of sex in
that office. Mark your territory. That's it right there. And
then it's going to be like because women are afraid
of the sex scent of other women, they can they
can sense it. Let me tell you about women. Let
me tell you they told them at the women's conference.
Let me tell you all about the ladies and femininity
they know flares ladies, Hello ladies. Let me teach you

(50:29):
about man. Let me tell you about the scent of
sex with other women. The stink knows that wet smell.
It's a musk. Anyway, writer, I feel like you've gotten
your money's worth. I'm giving you some solid advice. Let

(50:52):
us know this turns out. But see if that round Robin.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Thinking I am curious, please follow up I know, and show.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Us a picture of the office. Get on our discord
and put up the picture. We only want to see
exactly what these officers look like. We're gonna take a
quick break in when we come back, we're discussing panic attack,
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Dot com?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
So when people place those wagers in twenty eighteen of
which host was going to use a racial slur first,
I didn't even think of that. It was very low,
very low. I didn't not the chuck you don't have it.
I got it. But Jacob, in his wisdom, they played
the long game. That's retirement money right there in the

(51:57):
pool goes to mister Smith. Pay the man.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
All right, here we go, arteries, veins, buzz, capillaries. Yes, wow, ah,
transportation vessels for blood in our bodies.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I give that to him.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yes, it was the cardio, but throwing in transportation helps.
I remember the Schoolhouse Rock episode of this.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
That's right. Uh five points, motherfuckers? Five points?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Can I get one of those for saying vessels? Just
one point four points?

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Estonia Latvia?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Thank any one the funk knows?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
I do.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Types of bread? Yeah, I mean, buzz, go ahead, buzz,
Well you already said all three. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
I'm away for Jacob to say.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
His first Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania types of bread.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I thought lot Villa's were like Jewish pancakes or something.
Oh god, LATAs, that's it? Yeah, never mind, Okay, I
forgot what it was though. What was it? What were
the things? Soviet Union?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
They are, but remember its triplets, so there was fifteen
that was going.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
To be my Soviet Union.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
They only they all speak language.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
True, they are the only three countries in the world
that speak a language.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
They border and ocean.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
You're actually closer than you think. They're the Baltic States.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Okay, it wasn't too much. Look at me, you were
almost getting one on my own.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Okay, looking at this in hindsight, knowing how you're all
doing with this game. This one's you're not going to
but you.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Do it anyways.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Brussels, Ship, Luxembourg, Strasburg, Strasbourg, Brussels, Luxembourg, Strassburg.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Places where Jean Claude van dam has made sweet love
to a woman, made love to a woman three times.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
It was in those only, It's only happened in those
three places.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
That's the last one. Straus Strasburg, Strausburg, Luxembourg. There's the
three capitals of the EU. Yeah, you idiots, so embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
Another one, now, this is where it gets hard.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Ship.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Okay, last one for this round.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
This one Tomato, mozzarella, buzz basil.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yes, yes, and it's part of the caprice salad.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I would have been like I just didn't want to
be zero.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I got four more.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Wouldn't do that at the end of the show, or
do it now?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Let's do one more? Okay, we do three at the end,
all right?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Ailerons elevators, buzz flaps, no flaps.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
No, I don't even know what these words are.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Saying arons, aleronss, elevators, rons, elevators.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Third one is rudder, wow, buzz part of a plane
engine or plane.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Wing?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Plane wing?

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Okay, aviation control Sirs.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Jesus Christ, I was so close, that's what you were going.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Yeah, exactly, you could see it.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Also flaps, yeah, apparently, though they don't have flaps listed
as aviation control surfaces.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Definitely control.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, I think. Everybody's zero again.
Everybody do your research and come back next week.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
All right, good, so we all agree we're all back
to zero. The Panic Anxiety Doctor Dread Triangle. Hi, all,
thank you for taking my question. I've been listening for
a long time now. I would have recommended your podcast
to basically everyone I know. It is really enjoyable while
also being useful. Thanks for making it happen. I have
lost all of my jobs and friends as a result.

(56:48):
You've ruined my life. Yeah, writer, I'll believe it when
I read your god damn five star review, so put
it up there. I've got a question that lives at
the intersection of mental health and modern medicine. The Anxiety
Panic Doctor Dread Triangle. I've had social anxiety for twenty years, diagnosed, confirmed,
and now pretty well managed. I've got a solid toolkit journaling,

(57:12):
yoga and exercise, mindfulness supplements, limited caffeine, et cetera. I
do occasional therapy tune ups when life gets extra hard. Generally,
only those closest to me know what it's like for me.
Everyone else seems to see me as a cool, calm,
collected professional. But when I go to my primary care doctor,
I turn into a ball of stress. My heart races,

(57:35):
my brain glitches, I sweat through my clothes, and my
blood pressure skyrockets. Classic white coat anxiety. The problem my
doctor keeps flagging my blood pressure as a medical concern.
While I've told her I get anxious at the office,
She's never asked follow up questions about my anxiety and

(57:55):
doesn't seem to take me very seriously. I think I
come across as calm to her, which is both my
superpower and my curse. A few months ago, I started
taking my blood pressure at home with a monitor, and
when I'm not in a fluorescent lit room being eyeballed
and questioned, my numbers are always totally normal. So how
do I bring this up to my doctor in a

(58:16):
way that doesn't make her feel criticized or make my
social anxiety melt me into a puddle of dread. I
respect her, and rural healthcare is slim pickings, so I'd
rather not switch providers. But I'm also so tired of
the blood pressure talk every single visit, which just makes

(58:37):
everything worse. Sometimes I even find excuses to avoid going
in for a cold or minor problem, for example, because
I know she's going to make it all about my
blood pressure. Uugh. Do I say something to her? Do
I smile and nod and just decline to do more testing?
Or is there a magical third option I haven't thought of,
because my socially anxious brain short circuits around already figures

(59:01):
thank you for your help, sincerely, blood pressure. I don't
even know her.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
This reminds me of something that was happening exactly one
year ago this month, where I was in a room
in a hospital with my friend who was having a baby.
I've never seen that before. Okay, yeah, but you.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Came to the studio afterwards.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
The prequel the Greek guy, Yes, the Greek guy. The
prequel to this was when she first my friend first
went into the hospital. She thought that her water had broke.
She wasn't sure, so it was early in the morning,
like seven am. She didn't end up having the baby
till like six thirty pm. But seven am she's like,
all right, I think I'm gonna have it. So by
the time I got up to the hospital, the Greek

(59:45):
guy was already there, but she's in the triage area okay,
And so this nurse was coming in. She had her
doula with her and.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Dulah blangata exactly full.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Lot, Jim, do you know what a doula is?

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean it's one more than you're stupid.
I mean, I'll bet you can't name it. Control surfaces
of an airplance.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
I was like, jes this is gonna be in the Jewela,
the Pinta.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Okay. So her doula, her birth support person, was in
there with her in the triosroom. So I go back
and I'm asking, I'm like, hey, how are you doing.
She's like fine, but my blood pressure is high. Because
I hate this fucking nurse, I was like really, She's
like yeah, and she's trying to tell me because my
blood pressure is high, they're going to have to induce
me because I'm not I'm not actually in labor yet.

(01:00:37):
And they're like, well, that's dangerous for the baby. And
she's like, I'm trying to tell her my blood pressure
is high because I don't fucking want her near me.
And I was like, oh my god, but it was
just so apparent. Well, sorry, before I say that, the
doula would be like, lay on your left side, like
do these things that will help lower your blood pressure,
and she was like advocating, hey, doctor, nurse, come back in.

(01:00:58):
Different nurse, not the same one. Different nurse, come back
in here in like ten minutes. If her blood pressure
isn't dropped, fine, but like give us a minute to
make it an environmental change, like going to the doctor
and see if it lowers on its own, which it did,
and they didn't have the nurse come back and so
she didn't have to induce. But I was like, it
was so crazy to see how her body works. She

(01:01:20):
really did. She was like getting her away from me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
She's a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Here we go again on her.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Roll or like all of them, all of course, many bites.
You silly, grease, I check it, how silly, I'll just
check it, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Yeah, she was just trying. She wasn't listening to her,
like very unusual, not typical nurse like behavior. So anyway,
I feel like I think of that moment when I
hear this writer talking about how there's just a situation
that is inducing this blood pressure. And when I saw
my friend, Yes, she's like she's pregnant, so I imagine
that puts a lot of pressure on your blood vessels.
But other than that, she didn't. She wasn't yelling, she

(01:02:02):
wasn't upset. She's just like, I just don't want her
near me, just like calm demeanor.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Yeah, externally seems fine but knows her own body.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yes, internally she's like get away from me, just like
you are with your doctor. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, And I want to relate to some of this
letter too. I have horrible what the writer calls white
coat anxiety. Really, oh, it's awful. So like anytime I
have to go to a doctor's office, it is always
really really bad, like and I'll try to like go
in for like annual blood work. It is such a
what are you thinking about?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
What's going on? Did something happen in your childhood?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yes, if we're doing this, I guess I don't think
that's what we want to do. Are doing fifty I
don't know if that's what we want to do. I
don't think we're doing extra innings later. Yeah, but yeah,
I know it is trauma based, but like, no, it's
it's really really bad because like whenever I go to

(01:02:58):
a doctor's office, it is just always an ordeal. And
like a lot of times I'll do well visits, like
you know, just for like annual blood work or whatever
it needs to get done, and like that whole process
is terrible. I cannot look up my blood results. So
like a lot of people like will get their test
done and then they get the little ping to their
health file they pull it up. I cannot do it

(01:03:19):
because I will see something that's not good, right, and
it will you think good that that isn't It'll be
because the little charts will show you like you're in
the red on this. I'll have green, yellow red, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
But even that stuff, like there's been times where I've
had that and I've looked.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Up my shults. Yeah, I don't know what the fun
send me that? Yeah, because I care about this because
whenever my labs are tell me what I need to do,
that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
That's why you get paid.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Whenever my labs are available, Laura wants to see them.
She's like, let me look at him, let me look
at him. It's like and she sees it and she's like,
oh my god, Nick, this is red, and it's like, yeah,
we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
What that means. I don't know me and medium rare.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
I gotta doctor, I'm undercook.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
I go to my doctor and my doctor's like, yeah,
we knew it was going to be red. It was
red because you're on this medication and that's what that
s measure. Yeah, it's perfectly fine. You're right, you know,
and it's just a little ship like that. And then
of course that doesn't come out when I have to Laura.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
But yeah, so yours is what's called a normal person reaction.
I cannot look at that because I will, Laura, except
in my own head, and there will be no Nick
to stop me, so it will just keep spiraling until
I explode. So yeah, no, I I really feel for
the writer because like for me, you know, like there's

(01:04:43):
been times in my life where I've had to take
medication in order to go to the doctor, and so
like I will be in the lobby and I will
be trying to get through it. Yeah yeah, you gotta yeah,
yeah yeah. They roll it in the cheese and they
just kind of get me at the front door and
they're like, hey, Bud, Hey, Hey, Hey, gotch my ear
a little bit? Yeah, Like who's that guy? What's going

(01:05:03):
on over there? Hey? What's this? Oh? I has a cheese?
Can I have that cheese? Yeah? You can have this cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
I'm the part of that that wouldn't work on it.
I'd challenge you to name the part of that that
wouldn't work in real life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, so I definitely relate. I have not had the
situation where this shows up as a blood pressure thing.
Yeah no, I don't think so. Now, So I don't
think I've had that particular like issue. I relate. Yeah right,
I just don't go anymore. But I really like this

(01:05:35):
specific thing seems like a surmountable issue.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
This is a conversation. This is well, I think it's
a conversation. And one thing that I would suggest too
is get yourself a good blood pressure cuff. Get on
Amazon or store or whatever whatever you do Craigslist, Yeah,
get on there, give yourself a really good digital you know,
high end blood pressure cuff. Spend a little bit of money.
I spend one hundred bucks on it. Whatever, I just

(01:06:00):
them up online.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Is I going to go?

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
The first one that popped up was like sixty seven
dollars and it looked perfectly good, had a big digital
display screen and everything. And then like, keep track of
that blood pressure. Yeah, keep a charge of it, send
it to the and they'd give it to the doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Right. It seems like the writers are already doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
I was just going to say, didn't they say they
were doing that? Well, oh yeah, it doesn't have to be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
The writer seems to be afraid that this is going
to contradict the doctor. But I think this is you
obeying the doctor. Doctor. Thanks for telling me about this.
I decided to start monitoring it to get you more
thorough readings on this. Here's my data. I don't know
how to interpret it. What is that saying?

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
But I think you could say, like I think that
I think me coming here it stresses me out. Yeah,
I have a hard time with this. So I think
the readings are showing up high. Here. Here are the
here like the readings, the narrative is good and area
I don't think you have to be argumentative about it.
You're just presenting new information.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
I think you know, if your doctor is that sensitive
where they can't take that information, they're probably not that
good of a doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
I think there's not very many doctors a rural town.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Yeah, I know, but I don't think you know that
that is not like those blood pressure numbers are not
the blood pressure numbers that you have twenty four hours
a day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Yeah, Like that's just not That's not how it works.
Here's how I would approach it. I would do the
exact same thing I would. I would track all of that. Yeah,
and of course, because it's me, i'd put.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
All this is very important, right, No one disagrees that
this is here we go. You have a very important job, doctor,
don't you agree? Raise your hand if you've ever lost
a patient. Okay, So there, write all this, put all
this down an Excel spreadsheet, and keep track of all
of this, track it, and then take it in and
then just explain to your doctor like, thank you. You

(01:07:39):
know I've been I've been taking your advice. I've been
watching all of this. I think the other piece of
this puzzle.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Is my anxiety.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah, and just throw that out there and just say
like like, this is what's happened. Yeah, I totally agree
with everything you're saying. Yeah, and also I've got a
lot of anxiety, and it's all I don't like coming
to the doctor's off.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Face on it. I think this is all tied together,
and I want to find solutions for all of this.
I disagree with both of you. You explained to the doctor. Look,
I have a cocaine problem. Okay, I'm just a line.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
I come in here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
You still have my attention. A little bump, all right,
and I'm sorry, all right, and that's all you do.
You apologize. Yeah, the doctor looks that's how that always happens.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Never ask you about your blood pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Hard day. I need a little bump.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
I missed my rock and roll doctor. I used to
have a doctor that was just it was like me
and all of these just like rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
For his patients.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
You have to be a different level.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
I was just like his tamest patient that he had,
hardly have any You're not objective things in yourself, super
high sticker, being sober during most of this visit. I mean,
you start drinking halfway through. You're welcome, Doc, Yeah, I

(01:09:03):
got out of your cabinet. Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
I heard a joke the other day when my coughing
buddies was like he went to the doctor and the
doctor told me, you need to stop masturbating. And he's
like why, He's like, because I'm trying to do your.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Because I hear it through the stethoscope. I can hear
your heartbeat because you're hitting me on your upswing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Very distracting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
So I think we're all on the same page that
the magical third way is to agree with the doctor
that the finding is evident, like not saying this isn't nothing,
but to say I think I figured out what that is.
I'm so glad you caught this, Doc, because I started
monitoring myself at home, and what I noticed was when

(01:09:51):
I was having an anxiety episode, I was noticing my
BP go up, and that's when it clicked, Doc, I've
been feeling pretty anxious when I come visit you. It's
almost like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Where you're You're you're giving the answer but letting them
put the final piece out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Yeah, you're giving credit to the boss. Scott appro so brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
What I guess Okay, so you do all of those
things and she's like, oh, yeah, it probably is due
to anxiety about coming into the doctor's office. If I'm
their doctor, I'm not going to never ask about the
high blood I would probably be like, or never, I'm
not going to stop asking about the high blood pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
I was about to say, from the doctor's point of view,
this might not change anything.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
That's what I'm trying, I guess putting a realistic expectation
for the writer, Like maybe they could ask differently and say, hey,
are you still monitoring your blood pressure? How is it looking?
Maybe they'll shift their question. They will probably still ask, though,
because you can't not ask, like that's got to be
some kind.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Of whatever the cause is, like you want you want
to take care of it. Well, there's another issue here too.
Whenever you have a session that the doctor has to
document the vitals and so on the doctor's notes, it's
always showing high BP to the insurance and so there
has to be clinical indicators of the doctor has to
do something about that. And one of those interventions that's

(01:11:13):
going to be documented is discussed with the patient high
blood press.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Yeah, discuss you're still in charge of if you want
to take any of those meds or do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Writers, they probably have to say something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
I wonder from the from the writer's perspective, if it
would matter, if there would be any kind of difference
knowing that, like you're bringing in your own data and
you're still managing this and just being able to show
the doctor that you're managing it, you know, and just
like you come in there every appointment, you just have
your little binder, you know, of your like Romney references,

(01:11:48):
because like you can't control what that doctor is going
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
No, so so do what you do what you need
to do, and like, yeah, keep track of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Your blood pressure, do these things that we're talking about,
talk to the doctor about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
They may still ask everything.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
They might still ask every time, and it might be
annoying every time. Yeah, I would say I'm doing a
radical shift on my approach. Yeah, And I am saying
work on the fact that it annoys you more than
the rest of it. I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
I do think that you tracking it on your own
changes the relationship between you and the doctor and then
now you're working as a team. Yes, Yeah, And I
do think that by doing that you will be slightly
less annoyed when your doctor asks.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
And I think my point is you do all of
those things because those are the things that you can
do exactly like you can do things to help the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
So do those things.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Yeah, and then if the doctor continues being annoying after
you have done those things, that's different.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Then fuck it. Don't worry about it, and don't smile
A none, that's it. But no, this is hyper compliance,
right because the writer says, hey, look, I'm intimidated by
authority figures. I short circuit. I want to smile a
not I don't want to contradict. But I also don't
like being tested over and over again. So I think
we're all saying, okay, hyper comply, do the testing at home,
bringing loads of data, and then say, hey, look, I've

(01:13:06):
been doing more of this at your recommendation, and don't
like an asshole. Yeah no, not genuinely. Yeah, you're doing
all of this genuine I appreciate you bringing this up
over and over again. I decided to start seeing what
it's like over the course of a I want to
start doing the work on it. Yes, and so I've
been tracking it every day for the last thirty days.
I do my reading every single day.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
You have concerns about my health. I want to address
those concerns about my health because it's my fucking health.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I think, like, let's fit bit, we'll probably just track
this ship. You could probably just like outload it as
a CSV or whatever. I'm not worrieding it right now.
Charging but you have an order ring R Cool. It
didn't do blood pressure as well? Okay, yeah it does
all it does blood splatter, I think, yeah, it does
like two saturation, there's a lot of that kind of stuff.

(01:13:51):
Really well, it doesn't do I don't think it does
BP as well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
It took me an embarrassingly long amount of time to
realize that the ORR ring was not a birth control device.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
That's what that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
You know what, I'm not mad at you. I think
you're you're you're real, and either way it is birth
control because not a lot of dudes are getting laid
with that ring right now. I think of the exception
more than the rules. He's been married a while. I'm
just saying, I don't think you could have picked up
Sja walking into the bar with the R right like
beats per minute. Yeah, it doesn't have blood pressure Yeah,

(01:14:27):
that seems a little too sensitive, so writer, good luck
on this. Just know that you're in well established company.
A lot of us really struggle with like healthcare, office
visit anxiety. It's just a lot of attached phrasing, a
lot of fear, and I think that you're adapting that
really well. I'm glad you have control over your general
anxiety realities. That's huge, you know, from one person that

(01:14:48):
suffers to another. I think that we got to celebrate
those victories. It's always good. But yeah, I love the
suggestions that you're hearing today of just like gathering more
data bringing that with you, and that's just hyper compliance.
That way, you're not being disrespectful. You don't have to
smile a nod, you don't have to just keep getting prodded.
You're just doing more data gathering, giving that to the doctor,
letting them make an educated opinion about what they're seeing,

(01:15:09):
and it'll probably be the conclusion you've already reached, which
is great because you're just helping them see that data
that they don't have, that only you have from your
own body. We're in take quick break and when we
come back, we're wrapping up the show. You're listening to
pod therapy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Today's episode is brought to you by Judy Schneider, Leona,
Carolyn Albert, Sammy Scoop, Sarah Smith, My Calm, Darren Cunningham, Tody,
the Deloring Guy, Breaking Max, the Ginger.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Scoop the show. I'm just glad, he said, Ginger. All right,
here we go. Skeleet all smooth, ribbed for her pleasure.
Shit cardiac a little smooth and cardiac systems.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
No, huh, smooth is throwing me off.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
Skeletal baby, I don't know types of muscle tissue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
All right, I'm not mad at any of us. That
was a dumb one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Smooth fold fault block fuck ah. Volcanic, Oh, don't say rock.
It's not going to be that again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Fold fault block.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Okay, but fault tectonic plates, good, guess tectonic What is
the fault line? Faults? Okay, alright, no, okay, I'm close though,
so you'll better just really close.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Fault block, volcanic, what's the what's that thing? Creases? I
thought those are called faults. Were the two plates hit
each other, that would be a triplet bumping uglies edges, edging.
I want to say, like pressure releases. Yeah, frothy types

(01:17:22):
of volcanoes, mountain types. Oh, I mean, like, I just
want you to know Whitney spiritually. I think you were right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
So she was not right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Not give her any fault block volcanic. I've never heard
of those first two things in my life. Clearly you
spirit audio.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
I guess I've never been to mountain classes. You missed
that day in Louisiana. Yeah, not a lot of mountain
classes in Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
I think there's sus with the right ya ever said
it was the teacher who was a kid's mom. A
hard day on the farm. Third, he earned it another
good day to join the patriots. Said that. I just
said he was in education.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Last one chickpeas tahini buzz Yes, what's the other?

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Is it like?

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Umm? It's like I'm gonna give it to you. Okay.
It's lemon juice, lemon juice ingredients and hummus. Yes, oh yeah,
that's cool. Good work team. Once again, as we wrap
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Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Last week we didn't want anymore that we hit are Max.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Okay, good, we closed the door. Yeah, finally, does that
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No? Fuck no, it just means we have to do
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(01:20:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
That's all the time we got for this week's session.
We would like to thank our Landlord's s J and
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Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
I'm Tangament, I'm Jim. Thanks, don't see you for your appointment?
Sweet damn your triplets, Damn, I'm surprised. Going to be
like Louie Dewey. Yeah, well, I know you're gonna do
ignacious and ship. Who's the other one? Job? Louie Dewey?
And who fuck isn't it Donald? Did I just say no,

(01:21:34):
Louie Dewey, you don't Scrooge? Oh screwed? No, God, we
need to huge huge What did I say, Louis Dewey
and Hug.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
You didn't even say it in the right word.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
That's right. Their uncles are Scrooge and Donald, and Daisy
is an aunt. She's a duck. Actually, their mom is
revealed in another show. I think her name was like
I don't know remember, it's like love definitely start with
a D I don't remember anymore anyway. That's goofy, Goodbye everybody,

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