#404: Scoopfest '25, Social Depression, Autistic Dehumanization

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This could be a bad show. It'll be bad.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I did to do a show, but let's find out.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yes, from Las Vegas, Nevada, this is the Sherry Here Show.
People real problems and real therapists. You can submit your
questions anonymously at pod therapy dot net, email us at

(00:24):
pod Therapy, guys at gmail dot com, and now broadcasting from.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Cherry Here Studios. That's Jim, that's Whitney on Nick Sign.
So I'm just hearing this for the first time. And
this was not in the script that I saw.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I assume Sherry Paige, you no, here's what happens.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
I don't know what's happens.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I have no idea what amends it is.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
That's it because you can't be bribed, but you will
do anything to make somebody as I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, that's one hundred percent what this is about. However,
there's a twist to this. So if you remember this
is this goes back almost since last scoop Fest, so
eighteen months ago. She reached out to us and was
really nice about it. Yes, she's always very nice. Hey,
I just I noticed that my name doesn't You've been

(01:12):
a supporter and you guys never say my name. Yeah,
and then so I remember this and I was like,
oh shit, I'm so sorry. We got it plugged back in. Yeah,
completely forgot about since then. Okay. So then I see
her at scoop Fest and we're talking and she's like,
motherfucker right in the neck. That would be acceptable.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
To your head to a Midwest boy.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
She was so sweet about it because she was blaming Patreon.
She's like, you know, I just don't know what it is,
something about my Patreon. It just doesn't seem to work. Yeah,
my name.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
But the bad thing is that does happen. Okay, So
here's the twist.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Because I was thinking, like, uh, Sherry, you know it's
not patrioon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know we fucked up.
Fu you, Tanjamin. I own one hundred percent I do
wrong on this show. We have a division of labor
that is your fucking department, write yourself up, goddamn shared business.

(02:20):
So then I was like, oh my god, I feel
so stupid. I will make this up to you, and
so I said, I'm very sorry. I will fix this.
And so then it is the first of the month
as we're recording this. That's right, So I'm putting together
all the names, and we read it at the end
of the show and I search again. I read through

(02:41):
that list and her name's not on that. So it
is Patreon. It is Patreon. And then so then I
went back again and I did it a different way,
and then it did appear. Oh yeah, I know that
thing is a bitch. It's okay.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
Yeah, that's the thing, is like it can be because
we have the same problem. Yeah, and you don't always
know is this a Patreon problem or am I a
dumb ass?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Because they're both equally equas. Because here's what happens is
if I go in there and I just click search
by their pals, yeah, right, I get a list, but
it's not on it. You get a list. Yeah. If
I go in and I search by donation amounts, right
in the amounts, that's get a different list. Yes, it's

(03:24):
so fucking dumb. I don't know why. It sounds like
something sucked up. Yeah, so I wanted to making this
entire show about Sherry. Yeah, now I'm not going to.
Did you just get the intro? That's I feel like
I did my part. This was definitely a pat.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
You've got enough Sherry, Okay, we've gotten up to this,
I do come to you about.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
I kind of like having a Patreon level where the
studio just gets named after you for a session. Oh yeah,
that's a great production beating on air right now.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, we are.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
If you are at a certain level of giving, we
will name the studio after you.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
For a month.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I will say, well, name I would you say, I
said an episode one episode?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah? Yeah, the episode session? Yeah great, and uh name
it after your name or whatever you want, whatever you
want to make. Which is the real.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Opportunity because some people will stop, like sure called cherry hair,
and some people are like, okay, great, I have a
lot of ideas.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
Rac racial slurs, hate speech or anything like that, unless,
of course.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
The Jeff Memoriam studios.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
You can say anything about Jim and Jerry Fallwell, that's right, Jesus,
you could say this about Jim and Jerry.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
You can say anything you want.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Studied under many Jerry's you know, many people called me
Jerry's Jerry's Jeff's Jim.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Many people call him Jerry's kid. That's right. It was
well known in those circles.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, we are post scoop fest, everybody, and we saved
our recap of scoop Fest for the main show instead
of talking it behind Patreon, because we just want to,
you know, tell the tale. We had such a great time.
Our voices are a little raspy. It is literally the
Sunday of the weekend of Scoopfest and we are all
in full blown recovery mode. It has been a wild
several days. But I thought it'd be fun to to

(05:18):
kind of tell our stories from scoop Fest and the
the fun things. The biggest thing to me that caught
me off guard this year about scoop Fest was the documentary,
which I didn't see coming at all. You'd never brought
it up. It just casually to me anyway, I don't
know about it.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
It's not us, Oh it is uh scoop JD is
uh kind of spearheading desks.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Wow with some documentarians.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh that's so cool.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
So they are they are the ones doing it. Oh
h now I mean the they of course. Yeah, of
course we gave it our blessing. Yeah, yeah, welcome, and
we are participating wholeheartedly. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's so wild.
It is simply like we had a I had one
meeting with them.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
And and just you know, just to make sure that
everybody was on the same page about what was going
to happen. And we had space delegated for them in
the rooms and all, and they had confessional booths and everything.
So yeah, you know, obviously we worked with them, but
they they did all of that. Uh, truly, prepping for
them on my end was basically nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Wow, you know, sending audio feeds to them from from
our stuff and that kind of that kind of thing.
But really that's what that was about. That they did
it just like a big professional team back in a
in a I think they said, I don't know, a
month or two something like that, okay, to do more
in depth interviews with myself and and math.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Wow, I think they want to get our wives in
there as well.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
That's really cool.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well yeah, that was that was wild, like getting to
the thing and being like, by the way, you sign
a waiver and we're like what, so.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Well that was the waivers were actually me because they
wanted to and this turned out to be an absolutely
nothing thing, but I wanted to make sure that it
would be a nothing thing. What their initial plan was
was to just put the signs up that say basically
like if you come into this area, you're giving.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Consent to being filmed.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Yeah, And I didn't feel right doing that because it's
a ticketed event and we didn't say that as part
of the.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Ticket, right, And so I just said, you know, no, no.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
I I want to give everybody the opportunity to say no,
and or if they have a question about it or whatever,
to be able to ask their question good faith before
saying yes or no to the question.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I just wanted to give everybody the opportunity to say
yester no to the question.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
So that and I knew that would slow the process
down a little bit for everybody, but I figured that
was worth it.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
The uh So, the funny thing about that was like
I knew the documentary was happening, and then that I
just kind of pushed out of my head. And then
later on somebody said something about the waivers, which I
first thought was a joke and then realized, oh, there
are waivers. Yeah, And I realized this right before the
mouth finger buttthole turned yes, and so I was like,
how how rough is this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, like last year was just rock paper scissors.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, it's literal, it's.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Full of contact. Yeah, it is mouth finger butthole. Yeah,
it's in the name Cholas, in the name. Yeah, we've
simulated enough years now we do. We've been practicing. Now
we're doing it for.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
There was a scoop standing next to me at one
point who said, I'm really glad I didn't win the
mouth finger butthole tournament because.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I got like a job and a career. I can't in.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
This documentary, like I can't mean but.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Like that's a good pointing. That is crazy to me
because like, and that's a real thing. But I'm like, oh,
that is so outside of your thought.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
I thought process never crossed your mad at all.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Yeah, And like the idea that that somebody would be
upset with someone for doing a mouth finger butthole tournament. Sure,
it's such a ridiculous things delicately about it.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
There's delicate places in the world. Mouth figure as a
but hole. That's right, those people are sensitive.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I want to hear everybody's like special memories of this
year and kind of like you know, high points, low points,
one thing that that did happen, which was super cool,
And I'm excited whenever this comes the past that we
can put it out through our side too. But I
had reached out to Great Night, and I was like, hey,
you know, every single time we see guys at scoop Fest,
we alway get along. So well, you've invited us to
come out to Austin and do a live thing with you. Obviously,

(09:24):
traveling is always hard and you know, it's never come
together right. And it was so funny how well they
handle this because Nick and I went through a mini
crisis with this, because like, poor Nick is like watching
me try to shoot my shot and then like just
watching me fuck it up, you know, and then like
trying to like talk me down.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
And here's a ledge, here's let me paint some different pictures. Okay, okay, Yeah,
here's how this works. If you want to see the
behind the scenes business what happens here at pod Therapy
as a business organization. Yeah. I am so excited to
hear this be said out loud, this because I think
I know exactly where Nick is going.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Jim gets us into these.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Crazy yeah Scooby Doo like adventures and then looks to me.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
We get in this situation and then he looks to
me it's like what do we do?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Now do we do? And I'm like, we got here
in your mystery machine. Dude, I don't know what to
tell you. The answer you give me that is, you're
always very political about it. You're like, well, we could
do this or this, But I just want to remind
you that I support whatever your decision is because this
is yours. You did this.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
That that is very close, but not exactly how it
looks from the outside.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
From the outside, it's exactly like that. Everything you just
said was what was one hundred thousand percent accurate? Uh huh,
except for the what do we do now? Part? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yeah, because from the outside it sure looks like it's, well,
why'd you put us here?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah? What are we doing now? What's up? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
So I had reached out to Great Night and I
was like, I would love to do a collaboration, but
my pitch was and this was was upside down. I
was like, uh, I'd like us to be guests on
your show, right, you be in Las Vegas, so we'll
get you a studio set up in the whole Rasmataz
and then you can do it. And God bless them
they I wrote three paragraphs in an email, and they're
very busy guys who have a million Yeah, exactly, this

(11:18):
was way too much data, and so they just glanced
at it and said, oh, yeah, shimp from pot therapy something. Yeah,
we'll do a thing together yep, and say right back
and They're like, yeah, man, let's do it. And I'm like, huh,
that was easy, like hmm, and I tell I'm like,
guess what We're gonna be guessed on great night.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
He goes, hey, reread that shit though. Make sure I'm like, well, yeah,
I said yes, I don't think you read it, dude.
So fast forward.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I end up making a huge fucking disaster out of
all this, trying to book a studio and then backing
out of that because I'm like, oh, I don't think
that this is all going to get together, and I'm
stepping out of the things that they were super super generous. Ultimately,
i'd SYNCD up with Brian and he just he's like,
he goes, so I was rooting your email. Walk me
through what you want to happen, man, Like, just tell
me what you want. And I was like, hey, man,

(12:01):
at this point, I will take any kind of interaction
at all.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
It'd be fun.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
But yeah, like in a perfect world, it would have
been really cool to just be on your show, but like,
we can't make it to Austin.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's really hard to do it. He goes, Okay, I'll
tell you what we're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
We're gonna make good on a promise from two years
ago that you guys would be on our show.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
We're gonna fucking do it. And so he goes and
gets Justin.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
He drags in the room Justin, who I believe became
annoyed with me starting right then. I think before that, yeah,
I don't think I existed in Justin's brain at all.
I don't think he knew that I existed. It like
all that therapy show that's Friends with Jacob Great, you
know that's about it. And from that moment on, I
remember he walked in the room. He's so disappointed because he's.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Like, what are we doing? And like, and Brian left
to go use the bathroom. So here I am sitting
in Brian's room, Justin getting summoned into the room and
he's like, hey, who are you. Like, my name is Jim,
I'm a therapist. Like you're gonna do a show? Goes okay, Jim,
I have a question for you that just occurred to me. Yeah,
when you meet just a new person.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
Yeah, not not a new person as a client or
anything else, Yeah, but just a new person. Say, uh,
your wife introduces you to a friend.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Of all colleague. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
Uh, do you introduce yourself and say Hi, I'm Jim,
I'm a therapist.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Every time?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Oh oh yeah, it's pretty pretty common.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, I like throw on Colonel as well. Yeah, like
Colonel Colonel surprise me at all? Yeh yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
So he is just bewildered and uh, and I'm just
sitting there like waiting for Brian to come back. So
Brian comes back and uh, and he ends up saying,
hey man, we're just gonna we're gonna do a episode
of Great Night.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
This is Jim, he's from pod Therapy.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Uh, let's just go and and so like great, they
need no preptice, jump in, have a great time with it.
So we ended up doing this whole set from their
hotel room. They have it video and stuff, so they're
gonna release that at some point. I'll get a hold
of it and pump it through our stuff as well
as people can find it. But it was super super cool.
That was like this really big high moment where I
was like, wow, that was really fun, and like it
was neat to see them do their craft and be

(13:53):
on somebody else's show, and like that was super sweet
of them to do this and put up with my
bullshit and all my neurotic shit.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I was super happy. Then we go do our trivia
battle against I see us another great high point where
we won. We were glorious and victorious.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
And I'm gonna tell you why we won because Paul
maddingly does not understand what gainsmanship means. Because at the
end he's like, I have an idea, let's duplicate their answer.
And it was like, Paul, this is your one chance
to get more points than us, Like we have one
over you if you duplicate our answer. You heard conceding
the match, and and so thank you Paul for just

(14:29):
you know, giving it away there at the end.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
You mean it wasn't Jacob sabotaging Jacob.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I did successfully sabotage you guys. True, Yeah, which.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
That only cost you one point.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
It was not enough to remember the last time we
tagged Jacobin and he got us a right answer.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I don't think I don't think it's ever happened. I mean,
the bit is good. We keep doing it likes the
stop anytime. So that was a pretty cool high point.
All you have to do is call the Brady Cunt.
That's right dot com slash therapy. You can find out that.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Been trying to do it and we just.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
So that was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
But then whenever the big title fight trivia happened, where
great night versus I C. S. That's going on and
I'm so I'm just having a great day this day.
There's nothing required of me.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
All of my.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Performance stuff with I C. S and and scoopass is
now complete. We did our trivia, we had our fun.
Great I am just a spectator now I'm enjoying it. It
was a killer day. And then uh and then great night.
Out of nowhere, Brian just fucking calls me up to
the table and like.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
You didn't know he was gonna do that, not a
clue at all. This is this is new information. You
played the music immediately, you did not job quick. Yeah,
I'm good at what I so like, I'm just this

(15:52):
is about to leave this room. This is literally what
I do.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
That's his job is listening for timed things.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
And they're in the middle of the game and all
of a sudden they get like a science question. Brian
like has this whole like thing where was like.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
We're calling up Jim from pot There Bay and then
like the music starts playing. I'm like what the ship
And I'm in the back getting a beer and I'm
like what, Like I turn around and I'm.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
Like that not what it looked like from from the stage.
It looked like you were aware that you were going
to get called up.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
I'm so glad he stood up.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
I was like, oh, that's why he stood up because
they thought that I was on get up.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, you played it well then, because you look like
you're in you and I felt like there's only one
move now right, like there is no b bewildered like
you you know, the assignment go and so like run
up there, get fired up.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Go.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
So then he gives me a T shirt and he's
like you're on the team and I'm like okay, and
like then I'm at this point where I'm like like
put it on, yeah, and waving it around and it's like, buddy,
i am not a this is not gonna fit me
like and I'm like fuck it, I'm a squeeze my
fat ascid of the ship for the bit, but then
I didn't know what to do because I'm like, can't
say when we tagged Jacob and he does one question

(17:02):
and then he goes wherever he was at, and so
I don't know if I'm doing the one bit or
if I'm supposed to stay, and so I'm trying to
read the moment, and like, I assume everybody else knows
the Fu's going on, and so I'm like trying to
answer the question. And then Jacob comes running over with
a microphone, and I think you and I we were
trying to read the other guy, because I think you're
seeing that I'm standing there long enough that you're like,
all right, give him a mic, right, and so like

(17:23):
this is your chance because you're not on mic right now.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
So you ran over, did it? Well? That gave me
the impression that this was all pre rehearsed and that
I was supposed to sit down.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
So I was just now I'm up there, and now
I'm trapped, and now I'm part of it, and you
know who really didn't want that to happen, justin it
was pretty.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Really couldn't tell me that was the best. I haven't
gotten all the audio of it. Yet. But y'all are
going to release that on your on your patron. Is
that your plan? I actually posted a straight to your
twitch the link video. Yeah, so it's already up there,
the audio from it. I don't think we do. Some
people say that the twitch expires, though, and so I
don't know how that works, because it seems like an archive.

(18:01):
It's just up there for I think it expires for
a short period of time afterwards and then opens up again. Okay,
I couldn't the magic bit, Yeah you went up there
for Yeah, I couldn't open that right away.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay, but I tried today and I could.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Okay. Oh yeah, I think there is a like a
It sounds familiar. I haven't really dealt with Twitch in
so long. Yeah, there's probably that aspect of it, because
I think we just have our set now and so
I don't have to think about it.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, okay, attention to it.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
So here we are. I'm trying to contribute my little bits.
I'm also trying to like keep in mind, you are
not You don't need to carry this. These guys are
all pros. You just don't don't try to film the
silence you got. This just added a little bit of
banter and then shut the fuck up. So I'm doing
a mostly pretty good job on the gym scale of
shutting the fuck up. I was on the lower end
of being a good shut the fuck up guy.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I thought you were doing just fine.

Speaker 6 (18:51):
It was, but I'm thinking this was also five of
us can also run over anybody.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
You guys are You're not going to always down.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
So like, I'm thinking that this is all planned, this
is all a good thing, and then the moment I
realize it is not is whenever Justin basically just says
it'd be really great if you shut the fuck up,
and I'm like, and that's the moment in horror that
my brain goes, oh, no, he didn't want this.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I shouldn't be here. Brian was trying to just do
a quick, clever thing, and I've swallowed the hook. Well
here's the.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Thing, and I don't know this, but I know this.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
There's no way that Brian and Justin talked about that beforehand.
I would also be very, very surprised if Brian had
a thought of how long you were going to stay
on stage once you came on stage.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Yeah, well I tell you what we're used to.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Here's exactly what we're used to. Here's show biz lesson
number one for Jim.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
Okay, what we're used to is like when you call
me up for the quiz. Yeah, I don't stick around
until you release me, right, all me up, I do
what I do, and then I leave when I'm ready
to leave, right. That's the thing is so always you

(20:09):
got to keep a little bit of your main character
energy going all the time and go like yes, fuck yeah,
I'm gonna go up here and I'm gonna answer a
question and then i'm gonna book, or I'm gonna go
up there and I'm gonna make myself comfortable, and uh,
don't worry about me because I'm gonna be fine until
I'm ready to book. I was, but you can't.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
You can't do.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
These thing because we're not we're not writing a show,
we're not planning, we're not planning any of that.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
We're just going with it. And so like you come
up on stage, I'm fine with it.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
I assume that Brian had a conversation with you. But
either way, if I gotta go get water, water in
a second. Either way, like he had an idea, I
think be fine.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I knew you'd be fine. I wouldn't worried about you.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
And so I'm like, I'm gonna facilitate this.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
And make it easy to go whatever. I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Right and and it's gonna be fine, and then we're
all just gonna roll with it and whatever happens happened.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, somebody laugh of the entire trivia was justin shipping
on Jim. I was glad I did my part. Also
I delivered. I will point out that that was the
second time over the weekend that somebody on stage told
you to shut the funk up? Oh was it? What
was the first one?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Shut shut?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
You know what is not getting the stop bringing me
on stage, assholes.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
I have a very specific part, So that was Yeah,
that caught me off. It turned into a great.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Bit where like the ICs guys are just having a
fun time with that, like, yeah, you just closeline your
own tea mabee.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah. Oh yeah, No. We started it because well, we
can't pile up on you. That's not fun for anybody.
It's not fun if we make you cry.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
No, we have to now make fun of Justice.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah. Also it's easy to make fun of Justice's.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Funny though, because afterward he pulls aside to me, this
is on stage. I think it was off mic though,
and he goes, hey, man, I'm sorry, but that fucking killed.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's good fun. I understand the assignment. I'm here to help.
So that was pretty cool. And after that I was like,
it would be great to just not be on stage anymore.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yes, Jim doesn't want to perform weddings.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Wedding Jim is tapped out with all you have to do. Yeah,
call him a cunt just one time. So those are
some of my high points from scoop Fest. And then
of course, uh, the costume contest Scoop or the Jock
versus Nerd Ball Scott fucking showing up as a human
issued map that I have drawn that has been fished

(22:50):
out of a trash can and meticulously recreated into an
entire full body costume. Ye, that was glorious and it
was water painted and it was so good. And then yeah,
water color. And then he actually went to like a
map making company. It was like randall to figure out
how do they disperse colors on a map, Like what.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Is what is the theory of the right color?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
And those colors to the states I had regardless of
where those states exist, Like, but if Nebraska was orange,
it's orange on his map, and like even if the
same color running into each other and it's just an
absolute mess. So tip of the cap.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
That was my favorite costume, and those are some of
my highlights, But I'm curious what some of the bright
moments for y'all were.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
I think probably my favorite was towards the end. We
were all at McMullen's having a good time last night,
and there was I went to talk to Sammy, scu
and Cody, and there was a guy Mike there who asked,
I had a best buy uh oh yeah, magnet name tag.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
On somebody gave you a best buy name tag.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Lots of common tory on it.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I was like, okay, but creepy was a legit creepy casto,
so uh chetos.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
A single cheeto. Oh god.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
But I think it was his wife who was like, oh, hey,
I see you have the name tag. Do you want
another one, just to like give to someone this the
last one. I was like, sure, I'm sure someone will
want this, like people have commented on it. So literally,
like five minutes later, I'm talking to Sammy Scoop and
this guy a dressed as Starbucks Matt's first job Starbucks.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh yeah, Matt Donaldy the Starbucks barista.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yes, yes, with the pause, yes. He starts chatting.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
He's like, oh, I haven't ever you know, I haven't
listened to your podcast or whatever. And I was like,
that's okay, you should if you're interested whatever, like Sammy's
hyping it up and we're He looks at me, he goes, oh,
my gosh, creepy best By guy.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I was like, yes.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
He's like, I where did you get that? I was like,
and I reached in my pocket and pull out the
best Buy me.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
He's like yes, like he's like, my night is made.
This is amazing.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Like he's from Canada. Oh, it was actually the guy
who came up on stage.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
His name is Mike. I think so.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Mike's chatting with me and we bring up Nightmare before
Christmas because I love Nightmare before Christmas and this is
my tired, tired brain math.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
I was it's technical schooport and I don't remember if
his name I don't remember, yes, if his name is
Mike or not.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I think it is Mike. Mike.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
If you're if you're listening or technical Schooport, because I
know that's your name. Yeah, if you're listening to your
name is not Mike. Sorry, I remember your.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Your scoop name.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
No, I'm pretty sure it was Mike, but I could
be wrong.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
So so technical scoop Port.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
He's like, uh.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
So we started talking about Nightmare before Christmas, and I
was like, I'm I'm a betting woman now I hate
I never gamble, I never bet, and I'm like, Nightmare
before Christmas was made and I ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
He's like, I think it's ninety three. I was like, yeah,
I will bet on it. Like, so, here's my thing.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
I was seven when I saw it, so in my
mind I was like, no, it was ninety seven. But no,
I was seven when it came out, so if that
would be ninety three. So anyway, I was like so
dead set that it was ninety seven. I was like,
I'm gonna do that math.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
So I was like, you bet your masters?

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, I bet five bucks, so you know almost my master.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Wouldn't you start small? Okay? I started small to but.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
It starts you guys.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Start the attic a dark place by Christmas.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Fingertopp and over there.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
So the best part was that I get I lose obviously.
I give him the five dollars and he turns around
and goes, will you sign this? I was like, yes,
standing behind me, woa wo. I've been on this podcast
for eight years and nobody's asked me to sign anything.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I'm like, this does not I thought Nick was going
to be like defacing currencies a crime and I will
not stand here and Thetory or during the scoop Fest, No, no, no,
and the very first scoop Fest. He's the one that
that we first did that was a show creators.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Okay, oh that one, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I
remember that. I only signed autographs that one time because
Jake had giant posters motivational posters made out of that
was really funny. And so then they piled them upon
a table and gave me a SHARPI.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
And okay, sign these, but no, like Sammy went and
grabbed a pen. I was like, oh my god, this
is silly. He's like, no, I'm not going to spend this.
I'm going to say this is like a treasure. And
he's like and I'm going to start listening.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I was like, that's so cool. That's really cool. Now
he can forge your signature.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
There you go, like this is better, Prince print your
name underneath the signature.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Low point was it the Irish nachos? What do you
think of those? I never had them.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
I like them. I feel like they were overhyped.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
What I did was sausage rolls.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Leg that's going to get those this time too.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
They're so good.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
It's like a nice breakfast sausage, like a legit nice sausage.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
That has like a like a mustard based dipping sauce.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
The mustard.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
The sauce is real good too.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
It was so good.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
So my opinion was the corn beef was really good
on the notch. Those potato chips are like they're legit,
but they're over cooks.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Just I don't don't they weren't they weren't making the potatoes.
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Eat the people of Ireland now, I guess that's where
the show's turned.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Everyone's hype of the Irish welly.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
In Whitney's defense, one way to avoid another potato famine
is not eat the potatoes that you have.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Okay, yeah, yeah that's right, So just serving potatoes. I
like that.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
She saw a problem happen one time, and now she's
she's making sure to not repeat the same mistakes of
the past.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
My low point was not being able to be there
Friday to see Hazels performing or guys. Yeah no, but
I really was, I'm not going to know anything going on.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, man, there's so much that happens in such I mean,
I didn't get to go to uh the Bucket show.
Then I had wedding on Thursday, so I missed all
that fun stuff. Got there all day Friday, all day Saturday,
which was really great. Another high point as Shan and
the Ruckus.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Jesus, you're mediographer for the night, I know.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, I always try to get a few like good
ones that I can put them online because I mean,
they're up there, they're fucking crushing and they're so good
and so professional. They don't walk around with an entire
like social media team that can help grab some content
for them. So anytime I see her out in the
wild and like, hey, let me just try to help
you know my part, But no, they they are so
much fun, Like I love that.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, they're a great party band, is such a good
time and they just play along with the audience. And
that is always a really good one. They love the Scoops. Yeah,
and I told the I told the Scoops.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
I said on ice Cream Social they had an offer
for another gig that was going to pay him more
than than we were paying them.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And the band voted and they all wanted to play
Scoop Fest. That was really odd.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I did also like that Irish band that you guys,
that was so cool. Those are the guys cruise ship
that's met them. He met them on the cruise ship.
It was a three piece band, a violinist, a guitarist
and a flutistut thank you. And they also I don't

(30:50):
jim okay, is it flu? What's their name?

Speaker 6 (30:57):
I mean they they were put together by a music agent.
They did not know each other. They were put together
by a music agent to work on cruise ships. And
then they really liked playing together, so they formed a
band and now they now they work together, you know,
on purpose.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
That was a great act that man. I love.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
They performed at the barbecue as well.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
And you know, we should speak about the Magician because
we tipped I was on this magician like Gabriella, so
we see her in the green room because we had
just done trivia. She's back there and so she's a sweetheart.
She's like, oh yeah, you know a magician. I'ma be
prowing after you were like great, and I said, hey,
if you need any volunteers or anything at that, like
I love that kind of ship, and you know, like
I'll do it. You were asking, yeah, yeah, I had

(31:41):
not gotten enough. This is the part where I was
comfortable with it. That was good at that part wanting
attention and he changed later on to not wanting to enough.
This is my theory about Jim.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Okay, here it is here.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
It is Jim needs attention. Yes, this is not this,
This is not not there. This is the fact he
just he craves it. He's got to have it. It's
his lifeblood. The problem is the bucket he has to put.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
The attention into. It was so small it has to.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Be but can't be over times.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Guys, you have nailed me to a wall like fu
you just diagnosed all.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Of its next analogies.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
And then once the bucket's over, full of like oh no,
run run away.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Now one gonna go hide in the room next just
I roll this way.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Gym is on stage and Nick's like gems like, what
should I do? Nick? No, No, I don't know. You're
the one who got yourself on stage. My wallet.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
So that was really good. She was she crushed, She
was really really entertaining. She let me be up there.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
For a couple of has dealt with you as effectively
she was? She had you nailed.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
There was nothing like damn.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
That so fast?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
She just I mean it was she established.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Dominance very effectively.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
She's really funny. Man.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
She offered me a sticker.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
It was like watching it was like watching Who's the
Who's the dog whispers? It was exactly like one that's
running around everywhere.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Just a sudden you need a stick or you need
she's the boss down.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
That was the one.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Two sprays of cold water to my face and I
was like, okay, oh that was not water. It was
not cold and it was body tip. That's right. So
those are my highs. Another one there too. But it
sounds like you had a good time, Whitney, and this
is your second scoop fest.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
It is, And that's really the main thing I wanted
to share too, is just the people are so amazing.
They're so amazing, Like I can't get over how authentic
and genuine everyone is and just kind and supportive and
they give you ship sometimes too, but I love it.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
They know then it'll get enough credit for that because
like I think it's a very hard balance when and
this is I think a little bit meta. It's a
little bit theory of shows.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
So like the three or four of us, like you
guys will tease me, it's part of the bid. If
you treated me that way all the time, our friendships
would be strained. It would be difficult. You know, we
can't always go through life with kick Jim and the balls.
You know, there's a time and the place we could
you could. You know, it happens more often than I
wish it would.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I think it'd be a lot harder for you than us,
hurt more than my foot, that's right.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
And like people pick up on the bid and they'll
they'll play along, and it's so hard to get that
right right, everybody does.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's hard. It's tough to pick up somebody else's bit
and do it in the first place.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
Yeah, especially when it's at somebody else's expense.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
It's a hard needle to thread.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
But people are really sweet about it, and like they'll
do just the basic teasy, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Ribbons, they'll imply the imply the meanness exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
They'll come up and change my name tag like somebody
camp and put you know, doctor Jim geography scoop. And
then somebody else saw that and comes over and goes, oh, Jim,
I'm sorry they did that to you.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
And I'm like, oh, I'm used to it. He goes, no,
I'll fix it, pulls out a marker, crosses off doctor. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
He just walks away.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, okay, that is truly the perfect amount. Yeah, that
was exactly it is. I'm going to allude to being
mean to Jim. Yeah, I know the bit. I don't
even have to do it. It's just Jim mean thing
number three.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, that thing they tease you about. Indeed they do
tease me about that.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
All right, have fun.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Everybody's that's a sweetheart, like just really really cool energy.
So you're right that the people are the easiest the
best part, so much fun hang out with and then
going year after year after year and getting to just
so casually hang out with people and it's just becoming
so much more natural, like it's just every you remember folks,
And that's always funny to me too. Because I'll see
somebody be like, oh, Brian, you know it's Brian Layman.
Oh my god, and he'll be like, hey man, you

(36:20):
remember my name. I'm like, Brian, you have been sponsoring
the show for a very long time. Like I have
seen you many many times. You were in my fantasy
football league. Brother, I remember you. I know who you are.
So it's it's just really cool to like forge those
real friendships where you do meet people and you spend
time with them. So the scoops are wonderful. Thank you
for sharing your audiences. When we were doing the documentary thing,
they asked us after we whipped your ass in trivia,

(36:42):
they were like, so, what does your audience have in
common with ice cream social How did this happen?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
And we basically told the history story of No, we
were just absorbed into this black hole, like our moon
passed too close to Jupiter. Yeah, and we were just
taking in on the orbit. And now there is no
vendor diagram. It's a circle, right, their their fans are
just our people and we don't have other people.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
That part's not true.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, we brought certainly. Yeah, I believe that was true
at a time there was, but that I don't believe
that is true.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Now there's at least one or two people I can
think of that said they found ice Cream Social through us.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
That's kind of cool, but it still makes the circle.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
But it's like cool, I rememberest.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Kevin Chamberlain and his wife had come out and longtime
their producers, and we saw them at a tiki place
and I was hanging out with them and I was
like so so telling me about how you found ice
Cream Social and like, did you find us? And he goes, no,
the other way around, man. We I was looking up
organically search words for different mental health podcasts, found one
of the episodes loved It Loved Jacob started went down
a rabbit hole into that Loved It you guys pitch

(37:45):
scoop Fest, and now we're here and we are having
a last and it's like that was like the first
time ever that I was like, oh, this shit, that
that is so cool that it's.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Organically that way. But yeah, it is awesome. What were
your high points and low points here? I would say my, uh,
my high point is just seeing the same people and
just being able to go back and we just pick
up right where we left off, just pick up a
conversation just like, hey, so, how are you doing since

(38:13):
last time we talked?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
You're following for so long?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I feel like, yeah, well, and it's I think when
you meet people in person, like I always feel like,
and we kind of talked about this ahead of time, like, hey,
if I don't remember your name or whatever, you know,
it's I don't.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
I do like that.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
There were a few people I did remember the name
that they still clarified or like.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm like, I know, I know, which I appreciated, but I.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Told them I was like, thank you for clarifying.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
If you met two dozen people tomorrow and you liked
all of them, and then you know a year later
you saw them again, you're gonna look at them and go,
I know we've hung out. I remember you, and I
remember thinking like I enjoy you, but I don't remember
if your name is Stephanier.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Seas Surprisingly for me, though, that it didn't happen okay,
Like everybody I met, I like, yeah, I remember you,
and and I I remember what we talked about it
last time.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
I'm choking.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, And so I remembered all of that stuff, and
so getting to meet a few new people too. But
it's it's always fun to just have some place where
we you know, we don't necessarily have to keep in
touch throughout the year, but we know what everybody, we
know where we're going to be in eighteen months.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
We're all going to be right back here.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Right.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
A studio.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
It's nice. Yeah. What's your low point when Justin clotheslined
me during trivia? All of our low points, honestly, the
low point a little protective of you, I did. Oh
that's cool. I was a little upset. I was like,
I can kick him in the balls. Yeh, war.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Next job, Jacob, Oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
It's very flattering. You don't punch him in the face.
Uh No.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
My low point I think was when it was over.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, that's always rap up. Yeah, yeah, the good byes.
They're always so hard.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
After I got home last night, because we we you know,
after the whole thing is over, we have we have
to load everything up. Oh yeah we got Yeah. It's
truly not and it went swimmingly well this year. Uhy
like shout out to our safety cones.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
They just do a remarkably good job. They do, and
they've and they've all done it now a couple of
years we had one. We had one guy Colton this year.
This was his first year. But then everybody else they'd
at least done it one one time before, which means
that I have to explain a whole lot less. Yes,
I just get to say, hey, remember we set that
up last time, do that again, and they go, oh, yeah, great,

(40:52):
everything they do they.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Do, Yeah, they're fantastic. Oh excuse me. I also forgot
where I was going with the story.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Oh, then.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
End of scoop est we were we were.

Speaker 6 (41:04):
Loading out, Uh, we got everything packed up, we got
it all down to the truck, and then we we
brought the truck back to my house. We unloaded everything,
uh into my shop, which right over here I'll start
going through stuff tomorrow and getting stuff stored away and everything.
But after that we went to see this is what's

(41:26):
happening in my brain right now, just take upping. After that,
we went back to mcmullins, whereverybody was. So we went
we went and dropped the truck off actually in return
that and then and then came to mcmullins. And I
got home from mcmullins at probably two thirty or three,
and I went and sat in my backyard for a
little while, and I hadn't taken a shower yet or anything.
It's like, I'm just gonna sit here decompressed for a

(41:48):
little bit. Sat out there for probably half an hour
forty five minutes, and uh stood up. I was like, okay,
I've I've sat long enough. Now I'm gonna take a
shower and get in bed. And uh so I stood
up go to walk inside. And I walked about halfway
to the door, and this has never happened to me before.
It just ran out of energy.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
And just stopped a literal wall.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
I was like, oh, I'm just gonna take a break.
I'm just gonna stand here. I just got stood for
a minute and then I finished walking.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
To the house. Oh and it's not like it's you know,
it's thirty feet Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
I feel like that's such a good example of when
our bodies need to push through something like we humans
can push through Oh yeah, big like huge challenges. We
know that, but I think that's just such a vivid example.
So thanks for sharing, Jacob. Like you have to push
like there's there's no one else, like you are the
glue holding this together. And it's like you pushed through
until it's like, once you realize I don't have to,

(42:49):
your body's like catching up.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
It's like, yeah, okay.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah, my brain is starting to hic up now more,
uh that it can very honestly, because I know once
this show is over, Uh, my day is over finally,
and I'm just gonna go.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Because we had that.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
We had the safety cones over for Thank You Barbecue today.
You guys came over today and uh, now we're finishing
this up.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I'm like, okay, great, I'm I'm gonna finish this up.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
I have to do a little bit of work and
get ice cream social from yesterday edited and uh post
it up because that has to go out tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
But that'll take me, you know, ten minutes, not a
big deal. And then I'm just done finally. For like
three days, I was.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Just gonna say, when's the next thing?

Speaker 6 (43:33):
You have to do something on Tuesday evening, but I
won't even run the show. I'll watch somebody else run
the show. I'll run a show on Wednesday. That'll be
the next time I really do something. Okay, yeah, yeah,
So I'm just gonna go, when's Wednesday is my first
real day back? We'll do an ice cream social that day,
and then I'll do do absinthe that day and your.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Schedule like that, Like.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
I give myself a window, Yeah, I give myself a
bigger window at the front because I know that more
work is gonna pop up than I can think of.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Uh huh uh.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
And then I give myself a few days on the
on the back end because I couldn't have gone back
to work today or something.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. It is definitely you need
a recovery day.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
And my brain is starting to shut down right now.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, well on that point, we could take a quick
break and when we come back, we actually have a
question from somebody who just attended scoop Fest about something
that happened at scoop Fest.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Cool.

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Speaker 2 (44:55):
So sorry that that speech was not let's sorry the
show up. Oh no, I was thinking for all of us. Okay,
I'll be honest.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
You're you're definitely the worst off of.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Us, Jacob, I wasn't listening. Don't change it for me? Okay, good? Whatever?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
All right you do if you want skip skipping.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Uh, we'll just do a few here. Some strange and
unusual celebrations, festivals or.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Events fest very strange.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Every August.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Oh, let's start with Whitney. Yea, every August. The people
of a Spanish town of I think it's pronounced base.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I think that's it correct at each other during the
festival of laf only we speak Spanish. I think I
know this one.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Do I have options?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Do you need them?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Or can you spell?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Oh? That's it, that's you're going to correct.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
You aren't saying it right now?

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Come on? That does that change what the word is?

Speaker 4 (46:14):
You looked like you need like, well, I don't think
you're saying the right word if you're looking at me like.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Early lead to two points well from the hip for
sweet all right, Jacob. The Mexican city of Oaka, which
I believe is how it's pronounced.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
X A celebrates a festival each December featuring sculptures carved
from what vegetable?

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Oh, in December, I'll give you my favorite vegetable. That
would be.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
That's not a vegetable. Let's see, Oh does it.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Have seeds in it? No? Okay, but one of the
options does Oh funny, do you want options?

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Tell me what that option is, because I'm not going
to take that one.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Pumpkins. I was thinking gords. Yeah, that's why I was like, oh, no,
gords have seeds. So I'll give you a one of three. Yeah,
I will No, I want to guess from the hip.
I'll guess broccoli. Oh would be cool, but no, okay,
would be cool. Passes the gym, and I will take
those options.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
My man, potatoes, radishes, turn ups.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Geeze, dude, I mean I could see a pretty cool
carving contest that of potatoes.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna go with potatoes, no, which are
basically potatoes.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I should get the point. I think Jacob and I
are an agreement. I was robbed, all right, Jim in
Loop Burry Thailand. I believe Burry l O p b
U r I Thailand th.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
H A yeah yeah yeah, Jim.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Uh not America.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
A lavish buffet is laid out every year for which
guests of honor. I'll take options. Elephants, monkeys, peacocks or dogs.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I'll bet it's elephants. That sounds adorable that they just
lay out food for elephants to come hang out. I
would fucking do that me. Elephants.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yet, I definitely just know this one. Peacocks or dogs, monkeys.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Monkey, That's okay. That's the thing I was second hoping
it was.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
You still don't get a point though, I'm winning, you
are winning.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
You were having a day.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I'm doing it all right.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
So we have a semi serious question about scoop Fest
and depression. So the writer who is anonymous says, first
and foremost, it was great to meet Nick and Whitney
for the first time at scoop Fest, and Jacob for
the second time. Hell I even chatted with Peter for
a few minutes, and it was great.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Moving on. Nobody else said that, yeah, you're alone there.
Moving on. All was going well.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Night three of Scoopfest, SJ and the Ruckus were rocking out.
We were all having fun. Then I looked towards the
front and I reached for my phone and I think, oh, no,
Jim's having a seizure. I should call for help. Then
I realize, actually, Jim is trying to dance.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
That's when it hit. My mood shifted from fun to
maybe nobody likes me. I tried to stick it out
for a while, but I eventually needed to step out.
By the time midnight hit, I didn't want to be
around people anymore. I excused myself back to my room.
I tried to snap myself out of it, but I couldn't.
By the time I woke up the next morning, everything
was fine. It was all gone.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
But now I had missed out on a fun night
at McMullen's all because my dirty depression kicked in. I'm
mostly managed with medication, but I'm looking for tips to
help drag me out of this, even just a little,
so I don't miss the good times. And then there's
a side note that I don't have to read on air.
Fuck it I will Jim's dancing did not actually cause this,
but it was got awful.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Thanks Anonymous.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
It didn't help, you know, Okay, I want to defend
my dance if I may.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
First off, well, I also went into a funk.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Okay, okay, this is okay.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I understand the assignment.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
So like when artists get going, it's like, hey, somebody's
got to lead the charge.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
The guy who starts to dance at Yeah, so I
feel like you're one of the podcasters here. This is
your friend's wife. They're here to have good time.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Everybody's in the beginning, they're always like really bricky and
like nobody wants to come over there in the dance floor.
So I'll get out there and just have a great time,
and then people start to kind of hang out with me,
and then eventually you've got this critical mass of like
there's five or six people.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Dance.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Actually that was Thirsty Scoop. Thirsty Scooping started that train,
but I joined the train. I was the very first
that I was an early investor.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And floor Gym is in yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, two
people became a train. Yeah that's right. Yeah, Thirsty was
an engine. I think.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
I think that's but it goes nowhere. If people aren't
somebody's gonna pull that train. Somebody's got to be there.
So we ran a train on Thirsty Scoop. It was
a good time. But yeah, definitely I want to defend
my dancing here. Thank you for also pointing out in
your letter that technically my dancing wasn't the cause of
your depression.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
That's good to know. Again, didn't think about that first. Yeah,
but this is a relatable question I did. On that
note before we moved back to the letter. I texted
Gym last night. Actually, I was like, good job, you
did good. Everything was great. It truly was. He gets
up and dances.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
He is a he is an energy machine up there
on the floor, and that is always good to have.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, until he overfills the bucket away, Yeah, until on
the floor opened again. Last night, fucking Whitney. All of
a sudden, Jim comes bursting in. You fucking invite me
to your wedding. I swallowed that hook so fast.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Joe comes up to go, oh my god, Whitny, you're
invited to next wedding, and I was like, yeah, you aren't.
And then I look behind him. I'm like I'm not
to all the scooms behind him and Jim did not.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
See me gotten me going on this, because they were like, oh,
when's uh, when's nixt wedding?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Blab blah blah.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
It's like, oh, I don't think it's planned yet, and
they were like, that's so weird. Whitney's saying that she's
invited and like it.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
And so they just handed me up to her, and
so I like stomp across the fucking patio to Whitney
and like, are you invited in next wedding?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Which I wouldn't have this kind of fucking trauma reaction
except that the ship happened with the proposal that she
was involved and I wasn't involved, and I haven't recovered
from that.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
I basically picked out Laura's wedding.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I'm just.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
So like when he's like, didn't miss a beat, She's like, yeah,
of course, sorry, you know you're not.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
And I was like, you didn't get the invite?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Are you still set to uh to stand in for
Laura at the rehearsal?

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Yeah, that's right, go, I don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Don't make me officiated. No.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
By the way, I do love officiating weddings, So you
just said them all.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
I will, honestly, I have a good time with Hi'm done. No,
But Whitney knew exactly what was happening, and then I
had to explain to.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Like I was going to try text Nick.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
I was like, hurry, you don't play along with this,
and he goes, I'm not playing a lot.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I was like, this is this is not Jim's problem.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
You're not You're not creating, Like, this's not it's my problem,
Like that, you're right.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
I hate that you're right.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
This is why people like why is Nick never supporting
the bits where we deceived him and whip him up
into a frenzy?

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Right, I have to chase the dog down when you
guys let him out the door, because nobody.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Sees the behind the scenes that truly are just Jim
And next text nobody knows.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
I don't even know. We're not that good.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
It's just me. It's walls of thoughts.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
And then he writes back with like, yes, that's fine.
Also you did this. I support you. But yes to
the writer, Yeah, I've only been around for about twenty
percent of those I'm not around for most.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Of them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Okay, that was the question.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
It's a relatable question though, like, yes, it is suddenly
going into a funk.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
I want to say it is like, don't feel bad
about it, right, but now it's now it's happened.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Don't sweat it now.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Right, Let's let's work on the issue that you wanted
to work on, but also let's not confuse the issue
even more so by like getting into a funk about
being regretful about about missing stuff. But I can relate
to this one hundred percent because it was the this
was me the first scoop fest I ever went to.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Oh really before we've even had a podcast.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Oh, the very first scoop fest you've attended. It is
just a yeah scoop Okay, yeah, because I Jacob wouldn't
even know I was there. This is probably news to
Jacob that I was in this because I was definitely
anybody else that was there.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Either, what was your costume?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I wasn't even there for that. Like I was definitely
a wallflower.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Okay. I stayed in the back, I didn't, you know,
And I was very quiet. And then I kind of
felt like I was frustrated with myself, like I wish
I had push myself. I wish I'd gone out there
a little bit further and really.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Garrel so receptive.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
If you do if you just walk up into a
circle like, oh yeah, get make the circle bigger and clear,
like it's it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
But you don't know this the most.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
You don't know. You don't know it, and it's hard.

Speaker 6 (55:38):
It's hard to do it that first time. It's stepping
off the cliff, Yeah, onto the what was it? I
was Indiana Jones, one of the Indian Jones movies. You'd like,
step off the cliff and then there was a bridge
that was colored.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
For the holy Grail. Yeah, that's the only grail he
had to take the Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Yeah, I mean it is like that, like once you're
on it, you're go, oh great, I'm on a bridge.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
And it's fine. My feedback to the writer is, I
think that now you've got something to look forward to
for the next one, right, because then the next one
you feel a little bit more comfortable and you know
more people there, right, and then you can just kind
of like it feels it just to me at this point,
it feels like just going to a family reunion, right, Yeah,

(56:20):
you know, it's just like, oh, I get to see
all my cousins and everything I don't get to see
very often, and so it just feels more and more
comfortable every time, right, And so yeah, I agree with Jacob.
You know, do your best not to it's kind of uncontrollable,
but you know, don't beat yourself up.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
It's a very relatable experience, I know for me because
we joke about it. But like the cup thing is
absolutely true, or the bucket thing that you've come up with,
which is fuck you for saying it.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Not to smackurate.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
It's called yeah exactly, it's not exactly a bucket Dixie cup.
But like you no, like my anxiety will kick in,
and it's tough because like there's like performance Jim who
can be running around doing his thing and kind of
like entertain or put out good energy, but like that
comes at a cost, and like at some point that
battery hits zero, and when that happens, I become very vulnerable.

(57:07):
And like, this is something I said in the confessional
booth for the documentary, which I don't know if they'll
end up showing you guys all the things, but one
of the things that I had said.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I would hope.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
So I hope so because I hope that at a minimum,
you get to hear all the nice things people.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I mean, I kind of assume that they'll just se price.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
But no, one of the things that I thought about
and I wanted to say that I did say in
the recording was I think ICs is very special in
the world because I think that they are brave, and
I kind of conflate that with comedy. I think comedy
is brave. It's hard to do. True, it is hard
to do. And like even whenever I teach at U
and LV, like I tell my students, like I'm going
to try sometimes in this class to be silly and

(57:43):
to make jokes. Not just because I want this class
to be fun for you, I want to show you
that you can be a therapist. Then you can be
brave and be comedic and you'll kind of fuck up,
but like it actually humor is a really important human
trait and like it really does help with therapy. And
like I said that in the confessional too, is just
like that's one of the things I think I say
it so special about. It's not just that they are
funny peoples, that they're funny in this brave and inclusive way.

(58:06):
Like if you're sitting alone at the lunch table of life,
you've got these group of guys that are in their
own little world having a great time, and there's open
seats at their table, and they're welcoming you to it,
and they don't give a fuck who's popular, who's cool
in this this high school. You can just come join
them and all of a sudden you're included and you
found your people. And like that's a special thing that
I think that ice Cream Social does. But like to
bring that full circle to what this writer is saying

(58:26):
for me doing that, bringing energy, being funny, trying to
be playful, and then you get your balls kicked in
by one of your co hosts or like you know,
there's a bit or somebody you know steps on your toe,
or they don't realize you're actually your batteries at very
low right there, Like your shields are pretty low. I'll
have these anxiety moments, and that happens every scoop fest
for me, Yeah, where I will have those moments.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I watched you across the table. You can when justin
clotheslined you.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
Yeah, And that's why, like I was quick to jump
on just at that, Yeah, because I knew I could.
I knew I could just stop that right there, right
and to keep the bit going and keep it funny.
And then the guys jump in because they're because it's
the timing of it and that's also what you're supposed
to do anyway, and.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
So like, but yeah, I definitely saw it.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Like that, Jim's out of this table right now and
go to the bathroom and hide.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
Yeah that Justin, like, you know, if it if it's
a boxing analogy, it's not that Justin threw this you know, big,
you know, sweeping white right hand punch.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
It's that he didn't realize that Jim had.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
A last jaw. Yeah, he a little jab and Jim went,
oh no, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
So I relate to the writer and I feel like
I'm teasing Justin too much. I took it and stride
but everything was fine.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
No, it's all fun. We're all fun, all perfectly good.
But no, like yeah, yeah, good, thank you, thank you
for that.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Does here we go?

Speaker 3 (59:52):
No, But like I totally relate to the writer because
like I've I had tons of little moments at Scoop
Fast and this always happens to me where I'm I
get so pumped up, I'm so excited to go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
It's golden Truver energy. And then I get there and
I start spending that energy and the shields kind of
go down. And then I'll have a small interaction with
somebody where just the slightest thing, like what happened to
the writer suddenly triggers me and I'm like, oh, oh, no,
I did I do something wrong? If I if I
upset somebody? Is there are people saying something about me

(01:00:20):
right now that did I overstep? Was that not funny? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
And then I'll suddenly like want to run away, and
so like I really relate to what the writer's talking
about because I have one hundred percent done that that
fucking happened. At the third day, you guys were trying
to get me to go to lunch, and you guys
were like, hey, man, come with us, and I was
like no, and you're like are you okay?

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Like yep, just sulking in my car for a while,
Like you guys, really you should come with us. But
I was like no, I need to just fucking rehab
for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
But like this, I get it, and like I missed
out on lunch and so like I can or I
missed out on other activities because I have to go
hide for a while and like recharge the battery and
just kind of get right sized again. So I really
relate to the writer, and I guess, writer.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
What I would tell you is what do you do
to write? So, like what did you do in your car?

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
It's about, Yeah, I furiously masturbate, which really helps. Yeah,
I know, I know. Well I'm also in the valet also,
and so feel free to tempt the windshield.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
I know it's illy, I know, but if valet you
just explain to that, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Then I don't want to tip him because I'm gonna
give it right back, you know. It is like I'm
just It's like you can drive away, sir. I'm like,
I just need a few minutes, you know much, just
you know, turn on Metallica, crank it to the loudest
setting and fucking go. No for me like that, I
think my goal in life is never going to be
to completely eliminate the experience of anxiety from my brain.

(01:01:41):
And when you live with a chronic condition, it's really
about how much victory can you have? And like for me,
that I attend the majority of the thing that I
I keep, I'll run away, I'll retreat, I'll recharge and
I'll pop back in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
That's a victory for me. Also, that's help. So many
people do that, right, Like this is a just us.
I mean I talked to a lot of scoops and there,
you know, they'll take like I don't. I gotta get
back up to my room for a little bit, right,
rest for a little bit. I'm just gonna kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Very normally. I do this at scoop Fest. We do.
We definitely do well. Yeah, and you guys have to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
We have to duck out for for just moments here
and there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Yeah, I mean, even if it's like I got to
deal with something else or like deal with a or whatever.
But like, yeah, yeah, I mean at the bucket show,
I didn't watch the Bucket Show. I was either on
stage or out in the lobby doing other stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
Yeah, that's that's that. Those were my two places on stage,
furiously masturbating in the lobby.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Yeah, Jim's car that was not there was some blueberry
but that was not shot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah, you should get checked. No, I put it there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I'm concerned. I'm doing a game that I call Cookie
blue Bear, and you know what, I'm winning, winning this
game of life.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
No, I did think that the first bucket showed Jacob.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
When I showed up downtown, I was like kind of
peeking in just to see because I didn't it was
a little bit over the hours. I wasn't sure what
was going on, so I peaked him, but I recognized
your hair, and so I kind of opened the doors, like, oh,
we're Jacob, just like chills at the back. But I
also thought, this seems right, like just to step away,
collect your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Thoughts, emails, the sand.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
That's kicking off scoop fast.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yeah, I was dealing with with other issues that were.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Also popping up multitask.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Yeah, there were a lot of things this year that
I we'll cover ot on ice cream, social and stuff too,
I'm sure, but there were a lot of things this
year that just like almost blew up at the last second.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Yeah, to listen, missus, But no, on this person's point,
we're all relating. I think that we're all relating in
our own ways. And for me at least right or
my saying my piece on it is just I get
that discouragement. There's been so many times where like I've
left scoop Fest, then I'll come back and Nick will
be like in tears laughing, from a bit like a
variety show bit or something, and I'll have to ask, like,

(01:04:08):
oh fuck, what did I miss right? And then I
have to like look it up online if it's available
and stuff like that. I have to recap it, and
I'll be frustrated with myself, so like, damn it, Like
I really wish I didn't need to run away, But
then I kind of have forgiven myself for that, and
I try to reframe it now, and I say, no,
running away and taking twenty minutes bought you the other
four hours. You know, it bought you these other things.

(01:04:30):
And writer, maybe that's kind of how you should look
at this. Is like you were enjoying us Jay and
the Ruckus, you were enjoying the show. You were tolerating
my dancing. After you were convinced I wasn't having a
medical emergency, and you suddenly had a flash of depression,
and you know what, you had to respond to that,
and it just it kind of is what it is,
kind of like you just got a bloody nose. It's
always inconvenient. It may take you out of this for
a while. It's shitty, it's frustrating, but just I think

(01:04:52):
my encouragement to you is reframe that as you know what.
I got so much out of this and I had
to pay for it with like this, you know, burst
of depression. Overall, my life's better, like I'm in good balance.
What about talking to someone in the moment? What about
talking to a friend I don't know how talking to Nick,
That's what I usually do.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
I was wondering that too, because that's a little bit.
I was like, Jim, just come to lunch with us,
like you can debrief for a minute. Might feel better
getting it out of our heads, because I feel like
when I'm in those moments, if I'm too much in
my head, it doesn't always help. It might help eventually,
but it's like we can spiral as humans.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
Yeah, sometimes you just need somebody to go out now,
like ground up, shut up, come on, We're doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
It's fine, and maybe you still need some time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Brand of anxiety, and I have many in my cabinet.
I have many types of anxieties, but one brand I
have is a fear of like upsetting others or like
doing something awkward, which I know is hilarious because I
do it on purpose, but like like this thing of
like I have burdened somebody or I've been off putting,
and like I am haunted. I'm haunted by every conversation
I've had. Like remember weeks ago, we had one where

(01:06:04):
somebody said, you know, do you ever shout something?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
And I said, I shout fuck the police. And I
do that quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yeah, And part of that is like the symbolism of
like the police care about what you did right or wrong,
and like you didn't do anything wrong, Jim fucked the police.
You didn't bother this person, you didn't do anything off.
But then I'll think, oh, fuck I said something awkward
or something word and then whenever you have friends that
reach out to you'd be like, bro, we'll talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I don't want to tell you guys either, because I'm like, no,
then I'm gonna be off putting in weird like because
I'm gonna tell you like oh, in my head.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
About this, we're like, fuck, I gotta do with this
over lunch. Like I don't want that for you either,
So I just want to sell you obtain my little bullshit.

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
But that's exactly right, because you have to be in
a mental place to be able to accept the help
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
That's a good point.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
Yeah, Yeah, Sometimes you have to be in a place
you either have to I mean one of the two parties,
he either has one of the two parties has to
have the energy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Like it's right there.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
It is going to cost you're in you're in a funk,
you're in a in a depression spiral. It is going
to cost some energy to get you out of that
depression spiral. And either you have to supply that energy
or your friend has to supply that energy, right, and
so like if you have a close friend there that
that understands kind of what's going on and can supply
that energy for you, they can sometimes just grab you

(01:07:12):
and say like no, no, you're not leaving. You're gonna be
mad later if you leave right, go to the bathroom,
throw some cold water in your face, take a ship, come.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Back in here. I'm gonna get you a drink. I'm
gonna wait for you at the door.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Don't try to fucking leave. Yeah, sit, it's gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Be fun and the like.

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
And then ten minutes later, if you have that friend
who is who's doing that work for you, then like
that can sometimes pop you out of it. Sometimes you
have to do it yourself, like it is all those
different things. But you're right, you have to do you
have to be accepting of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
That's a good point. And sometimes I know that it's
okay to run away, and I think in the writer's
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Nothing you're doing down there, they don't have that sport.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
And sometimes you just don't want to burn anybody else
because like my car needs a jump start, I don't
want to make you have to do that, right, Like I'd.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Rather call exactly. I feel better if I can handle
this on my own.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
So yeah, it's really not handling and calling for everything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
And I do want to let you know it's it's
not a big burden for me. It's at this point
that it's like it's like asking Elton John to play
chop sticks, Like it's not I got this down. Yeah,
it's I know what to do. Yeah, when goes running
down the street, I just go get some bacon.

Speaker 6 (01:08:25):
Yes, one of my super Bowl predictions is officially crashed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Down, officially wrong. The super Bowl halftime show has been announced.
Oh that's right. They were going to announce that it
is not t Swift, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
It is mister bad Bunny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Oh okay. Interesting that's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
He canceled all his American UH travel and tours because
of ice raids.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
He didn't he didn't want to.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
I believe, I believe all of that's been smoothed over now.
Yeah he's back. It seems like all of those types
of issues. Yeah, they have just all been fixed. And
everybody's happy. Everything's happy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Last I saw them, they were all singing, right, Oh, wonderful, Yeah, wonderful.
It sounded kind of like a dirge and yeah something,
but either way, they were singing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah, singing's good, wonderful. Well, anyway, writer, this is it's
a very relatable question. I'm really glad you wrote in
with it. And you know what, if you take that time,
I know it's a bummer. And look, I missed out
on a ton of things and that happens, and I'm like, ah, fuck,
I wish I hadn't done that. But we live with
chronic mental illnesses, and so it's about finding the winds
where we can find the winds and learning how to,
you know, take care of ourselves. And for you, that

(01:09:36):
meant you needed to go just sleep it off and
have a full reboot. And sometimes that's the thing. And
if you had decided, you know what, I'm just gonna
I'm gonna white knuckle through this thing, and I'm gonna
talk to a friend and try another method, see if
I can salvage the night. That would have been an
option to Yeah, And there's been times when I've done that,
when I thought I'm gonna run away, and then I'm like, Nope,
I'm gonna lean in and just hang out and have
a good time and just shrug it off. And sometimes

(01:09:56):
you get lucky. So you know, it kind of goes
both ways. But I agree with Jacob's very first point though.
We don't want you to absorb any shame or guilty, No,
that would be shitty. Like we just live with these conditions, brother,
And now it's now, it's in the past, right, and
now we learn from it. Now we and now we
work on it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
And and I'm gonna say this, and I mean only
from your point of view, We're gonna do better next time, right,
because you're not doing you're not doing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Bad by anybody else, So you're gonna you're gonna get
better at it yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Yes, you know, like I'm I'm sorry that I didn't
get to hang out with you. More if you were,
if you were going upstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
And I don't know who you are, obviously you're anonymous,
but uh, you know, I'm sorry that I didn't didn't
get to hang out with you more because you were
you were feeling those feelings, and uh, you know that
that sucks. I'm sorry, but I'm not upset with you
about it, right, you know, I want you to be
happy and healthy and cool, and if that, if that
means taking a little break, cool, I'm good with that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Whatever you need to do, man, do your thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I wrote this letter, and I accept your apologies. Okay, good,
thank you. Yeah, talking about that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
We are going to take a quick break and when
we come back, we're going to talk about autism.

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Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
So I saw this quote the other day after you know,
Trump came out and said that it's tail and all
that's causing all the autism and somebody it was a
great tweet, but it was something to the effect of,
are we really going to accept and believe that there
was a pattern between taking this medicine and developing autism
and the autistic people never caught it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Like, right, what they catch fucking patterns? There's zero present?
Did you catch Were you guys there for Penn Sunday School? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
Yeah, yes, he Ready Richard and the director of Pence
Sunday School. Yes, is autistic. Yeah, he is on the
spectrum and uh. Penn brought up the tilt all thing
to Ready. Ready's comment was, yeah, yeah, my mom just
quit something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
So it knocked me out a bunch of That was
a really good episode.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
They also kind of talked, you know, Penn talked a
lot about the decrease in tourism. Yeah, yeah, that was well.
It was such a good.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
Because Matt and I laughed about it about that Penn
Sunday School coming up a couple of weeks ago, because
we were like, Matt was like, it's gonna be Penn's
first episode back in the country because they've been out
of the country touring Pen Teller.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
He's like that. That's gonna be his first episode back
in the country in like a month. Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:12:35):
So they haven't been doing episodes this last three weeks,
maybe three weeks, but however long it is, and all
this ship's been happening.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah, and so like nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
This it's it's probably good that it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
At Scoop fast because I will keep this from going too.

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
Far down the hellscape.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Well, speaking of healthscapes, Seria trivia, here we.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Go, Whitney during el call it cool colacho c O
L A c h okay.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
In Spain, men.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Dressed as devils leap over what to symbolize cleansing of
sins butter? Oh yeah, it's always butter. Colato, gelato over gelato.

Speaker 5 (01:13:21):
They're dressed as devils and they jump over something symbolized
the sins.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Cool fire thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
That's volcanoes, but that's really going to do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Spaghetti open fires.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Oh, sleeping babies also stiles of flowers or buckets of water.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
I mean it's got to be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Baby, please, baby, please be sleeping babies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Come on, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Not open Yeah, babies, babies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Sleeping babies is the answer. Yes, Sometimes life gives you dream.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Of you can finally be happy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Yes, everything, and they knock.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Those babies out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Those babies are going sleep. Wow, Jacob.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
The town of Olo, Finland, oh U l U hosts
a world championship for which instrument?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Oh instrument?

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
There's no hints in that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
I feel like you're gonna want options.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Is it one of those? Is one of those huge
horns there?

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
It is? It is huge horn an option.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
I believe you're thinking, uh, Switzerland.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I believe I am. Yes, Uh. Here are your options
invisible drums, air guitar, lip trumpets there it is, or kazoo.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Now, lip trumpets is definitely just blow jops. That's all
you're doing. You're just here's gaming, fellatio.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Give me, give me the th give me the fondles
the bottom of the trumpets.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Drums, air guitar, lip trumpets, or kazoo.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Sounds. I mean, the bad thing is the question. Trumpet
is definitely my name.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
The bad thing is ever get away from Dixie switched?
The either good or bad thing about this my answer
is going to be air guitar. And the good or
bad thing about this is I went to high school

(01:15:43):
with a guy who was the world air guitar champion
for several years. I don't know if he ever went
to Finland to do it. This is my problem. But
he was like touring around the world doing air guitar.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
What are we living?

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I have not follow up questions.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yeah, first of all, right, did he play guitar for real?
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
I think he.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
I think he does because I kind of wonder if
that's a benefit. I don't think there's any I don't.
I don't think there's any benefit to a better guitar
player if you don't play.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
I think if you just watch Montley Crewe videos and
learn how to play air guitar by watching Motley Crew videos,
I think that's where you want to base.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Yeah, that makes sense. My buddy's name is Adam Wilson.
We went to high school together, and he would often
dress up similarly to Randy the Macho Man Savage to
play guitar. Or he would just go out like pants less,
just in a pair of briefs's and play air guitar overalls.
All kinds of things. The man understands. It's about the present.

(01:16:55):
We're from the same small town in Louisiana. Yes, and yeah,
a certain sentiments, that's right. He got out. He made
it all right, right, Jim held annually and I'm gonna
guess sunken jar JARV sunken Jarvi Finland. Yeah, the winners
prize traditionally equals the wife's weight in what so okay,

(01:17:21):
I don't know what the It sounds like there's a contest.
It's the wife.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Carrying world championship.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Oh that's great, okay, So if you can carry your wife,
the prize is the wife's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Weight weight what Okay? So this incentivizes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Because there's going to be a reward, so it's worth
whateveration she's going.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
To go through.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
This is where butter comes in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Yeah, okay, if you won, you get the wife's weight.
I mean it can't be gold because that's insane. Precious
metals give me options.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
I'm not going to get it silver coins, cheese, beer,
or cr So the question is this has to be
good for the wife or she's not going to fucking
do this. So we're not going to be beer. Okay.
I know they've got cheese for days. I'll bet you
they can do chocolate. I could see chicks being like, fuck,

(01:18:15):
I really want that chocolate, and chocolate has staying power.
Whereas the cheese I think doesn't. Let's go chocolate. No,
God damn it, cheese. No, oh, sleeping babies. I think beer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
It is beer, right, yeah, person.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
My assumption is there is just a large scale somewhere
in the town square, and the woman sits on one
side and similar to Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Okay, yeah,
the woman sits on one side of.

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
It and there's just a tub and they just come
over there and fill that thing with beer until the
scale balances out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah, it's got to be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
If that's not how they do it, I'm gonna be
upset and the challenging party. You have to drink it
all there, yees, just one person.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Nobody leaves until she drinks that contained. It's just the
giant wooden barrel of beer.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
I'm picturing more of like one of those core Gate
did steel dog tubs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Oh yes, yes, and this is you just belly up right. Okay,
So I'm winning.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
I think is as sure autism news and self worth.
Hey guys, the family watched a bunch of embarrassing autism
press conference from the dipshit in chief and the environmental
lawyer with no medical expertise and we turned it off
when RFK Junior talked about reversal of autism looking good.

(01:19:27):
The moment really hurt my sense of self worth and
made me feel dehumanized. I'm an adult with autism. I've
held a job at the same company for eighteen plus years,
with the eight most recent years of that career as
a manager. I'm also a father of four. Three of
those children have autism, each at various degrees of independence.
The oldest of them works a job at an assisted

(01:19:48):
living facility and manages her own finances. She struggles socially
and doubts her own abilities, but she's doing very well
for herself. The next one graduated from high school with honors.
She's attending college the dean's list two consecutive semesters joined
a coven AKAA sorority and served as a chair in
the organization.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
See you built up my hope there.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
I thought this like a coven that I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
I was very.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Excited, and she's going to graduate a semester early. The
youngest is barely verbal, very dependent, and may never hold
a job or live on his own. All three of
them are loved and valued equally. Yet there are people
in power who don't see that value. They treat autism
like a disease that's killing millions and fail to see
the importance of the neurodiversity in the wild. My two

(01:20:36):
older kids with autism are part of their own communities
and they are thriving. My youngest may not have much
in the way of a community, but he thrives in
his own way, and he's a bundle of joy and love.
Hearing twenty years of people treating autism almost the same
as cancer has had a terrible effect on us, and
we do our best to treat it like the bullshit
it is, But goddamn is it exhausting At times. We

(01:20:59):
know that the strongest info we have on autism is
the genetic angle, and yet we keep seeing people try
to pin so many environmental factors on it instead of
researching how we can accommodate people on the spectrum to
make their lives easier. It's all ridiculous anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
These things are.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Supposed to have questions, So I want to know how
can we on the autism spectrum effectively combat feeling dehumanized
by the assault on autism? How can we cling to
our validity and value in a world with a vocal
minority who think otherwise of us. With love to all
of you, even Jim, your impal Justin aka frou jog.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
Oh yeah, good job.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Off, Yeah, just do it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Jim doesn't say fuck the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Police, right girl? Do it? Well, don't do it, though
you should say it. Yeah, but I mean you get
out a ticket. I mean you shouldn't do what you
gotta do, you got to do.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
I hate this so much. I was just sitting here thinking,
what's an analogy? Because I'm not a good analogy person
like Nick, but what's an analogy for this? And it
kind of I went back to thinking like, oh, I'm
gonna get all so many terms wrong. But like if
humans like way back when we're not upright walkers, and.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
That was like the best, the best thing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
You can run faster because you're using all four of
your limbs, like all this stuff. And then eventually one
person like walks up right and like, ooh, that's weird.
Kill him right, So like they kill him and then
it's like oh, then all of a sudden, another one
like pops up and is walking up right, and it's
like it looks like this weird thing, and and really
it's just neutral, like if you walk up right or
you walk on all fours, like who fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Care advance or or it could be an advanced well.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
You don't know yet, but like let's let's keep it neutral.
Let's say it doesn't fucking matter. Yeah, we don't see that.
We just see different and that's not what is quote normal,
that's not what we're used to, and so we think
it's bad. And it's like, really, we don't know. It
could be something something amazing, Like we aren't giving people
with autism a chance to like show their potential a

(01:23:01):
lot of times because they're getting shut down so quickly
or like shunned out of things. And God, this administration
is really fucking just so much bigger too.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Than right administration because, like I mean, going back, I
think over a decade now, so much concern about vaccines
and whether they quote unquote cause autism. But I think
what Justin's pointing out here is when autism is the
punchline of every scary statement, you are pathologizing and dehumanizing
us in a sense.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Yes, And I think this.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Is a tricky thing because the word autism and autism
spectrum disorder are considered mental health things, right, and we
talk about like ADHD in the same way, like it's
in our book of kind of quote unquote illnesses, and
so that's an interesting conversation to have about like and clearly,
like any trait or any kind of unique neuro reality,

(01:23:52):
it can be problematic. But we usually measure autism and
any other mental health thing on the amount of difficulty
it causes to the person, right, Like all humans have
some amount of anxiety. Sure, some of us have a
disordered amount. And the way we know the difference is
that it causes significant clinical distress in a lot of
areas of our lives. And so now we can measure

(01:24:14):
this disruption, and I think autism it probably could be
viewed on the same kind of scale, where it's like
just having it is not inherently bad, and talking about
this that way is kind of stupid. And talking about
ADHD that way in neurodivergence that way, as if the
entire group is invalid or dehumanized or less than that
is way too fucking much. Talking about humans who have

(01:24:35):
too much of any quality that causes distress in their
life and helping them with that particular part of it fine.
I think there's a way to humanize it too. But yeah,
I mean this kind of talk has been going on
for a long time and it's really getting serious right
now too.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
That's going to be so wearing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
Yeah, just like Froyo described that, I can't imagine the
world constantly telling you that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Yeah. I don't know what the answer is. I think
what's nice is more and more people coming out and
talking about being on the spectrum like ready, rich, being able.
I'm just being open about it and just saying like, hey, yeah,
and I've got a solid job and I'm taking care
of myself and all this. And I think what that
does is it kind of doesn't It doesn't take away

(01:25:20):
from the fact that we need to pour some money
into research, and we need to find ways to support
people and help people and help families deal with this,
but not from the perspective of fear of it, you know,
because I think that's one of the things. I remember

(01:25:40):
Penn and Teller's bullshit when they did their episode on vaccines,
and the point that they made is that, like, hypothetically,
and maybe this isn't their point, this is what I
took from it. Hypothetically, let's just say that's the case
vaccines cause autism. If that is the case, if you

(01:26:01):
vaccinate your child, there's a potential that could have autism.
If you don't, there's a potential that they will die.
So you're basically saying, I would rather my child be
dead than have autism. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
How ridiculous is that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Right? You know? And so I mean, and that's the
best case scenario that that's what's actually happening, and it's not,
and so there's no research behind it, so I think,
and I think that's kind of the point that you
get it when it's all fear based and fear and ignorance. Yeah,
I'm afraid of it, and I don't know enough about it,
and therefore I'm willing to believe some shit that has

(01:26:39):
no scientific support.

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
Well, in my opinion, out times selfishness, because I think
of like one family in particular that didn't vaccinate their kids,
and their perspective was that, well, we're not at risk
because everyone else is vaccinated. And there is like an
anger within me from that perspective, only, yeah, because everyone

(01:27:01):
else is doing it. And now if they're not all
doing a feel in the state of Florida, now, for example,
like this is going to be a sad experiment on
all those children.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
I don't have to pay my club dues because everyone else.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Is exactly so they aren't thinking, yeah, they aren't thinking
my kid's going to die. They're thinking, oh no, my
kid's still protected, and I don't have to like risk autism.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
It's just anyway, that was my side.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Tan.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Sorry, No, it's bullshit on every angle. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
And it's idiotic.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
It would be like if somebody gave me a platform
to talk about mental health care. Uh, and I have
no qualifications to talk.

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
About mental health caage in such a world, Yeah, if
it would just be ridiculous, as if you hadn't earned
those qualifications, right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
I mean qualified I have. I have a PhD. But
if I didn't have those qualifications, it would be silly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
No, But this is something that I get where Justin's
at and I agree with what you were just saying
it because I think one thing you've also had in
there is there does need to be nuanced conversations, right
because there's a lot of families, like you know, Justin
talks about their youngest. Yeah, we would consider that person
somebody that is experiencing some of the distresses that come

(01:28:19):
with this and is going to require support, and it's
going to require extra help, and and so there's there's
a fine line between therefore dehumanizing them and making them
less than versus treating them like a dignified member of
the human families and saying like, hey, that's that's one
of our people, and we're going to take care of them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Right. There's also people that have fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Ibs, you know, they're just like, yep, they just have
a gastro intestinal problem and like they can't eat the
things you eat, and like their life is going to
look differ. They're going to need specal accommodations or whatever
the fuck. Like, okay, great, Like we don't we don't
need to constantly be like, you know, escapegoating them and
be like, oh, that's the worst possibility can happen, is like,
or we could just all chill out and just give
them breaks, you know, like let them go take a

(01:28:58):
shit when they take it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Said, everyone should be tolerant of lactose, Okay, yeah, yeah,
everyone on board.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
With lactose. Yeah yeah, we will not we will not
condone this intolerance any farther.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
That's right, you know what I'm I'm that's the helbal.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Dian this podcast has needed lactose intolerance.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Toller la Post. You know what you were doing when
you wrote into the show just you did that. You
literally wrote his life coach jingle. This is your fault.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
No, But I love this letter because, you know, and
Justin kind of says it like, look, I realized I'm
kind of just sharing more than I'm asking any questions.
But like, you know, how do we you know, try
to get through that? And I think I love this
point that you made, Nick, like it takes people getting
out there and being visible with allism and you know autism,
those who live with autism. It doesn't lend itself to

(01:30:05):
people that would go into performance roles that you'd see
in popular media. But you will find plenty of them
at fucking NASA, you know, absolutely, you know you'll see
them like curing goddamn diseases and like, you know, putting
things together.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
And you know, even even with me, they have huge dicks. Yeah,
That's what I've heard. Even with me giving that advice.
I don't like that advice because you know, to be
you know, to be representative and to be out there
and to just you know, own it The thing I
don't like about is that you shouldn't have to do

(01:30:39):
that exactly. You know, Like, if if I've got something
that I'm dealing with internally, I shouldn't have to be
a spokesperson for it. I shouldn't have to put myself
out there. I shouldn't have to open myself up to
shit that's going on in my life if you want to,
perfectly fine, absolutely, if I decide, if I decide that
this is the thing that I want to promote and
I want to use my energy towards this car, you

(01:31:00):
don't have to be a spokesperson for autism if you're
on the spectrum. Exactly. You shouldn't be forced. You shouldn't
be expected to do that. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
No, but that's just in history, that's how change has
been made.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Yeah, and you're right, people get forced into you have
to people.

Speaker 6 (01:31:17):
People must be allowed to, must be allowed to represent
themselves if they if they so choose to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Yeah, but they shouldn't be forced into it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I was there was a
point where this group had asked me to do a
talk on personality disorders, and I was really intimidated by
it because it's like, oh boy, you know, I just
I don't love doing personality disorder treatment.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
I just don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
There's a lot of weird stuff that goes along with
the diagnosis of it. Just don't feel good about it.
But I told them, like, alternatively consider it. And I
bought this really good deep dive book into the history
of personality disorders, and one of the things that really
fascinated me about the book is it was talking about
how in many ways, personality disorders are just fucking make
believe because they essentially only matter if the culture doesn't

(01:32:05):
like the behavior of the human. But it was talking
about and it even it mentioned also neurodiversity in the book,
and it said, like autism, if you could, you could
go back in history and you could diagnose all of
like eighteenth century Prussia with autism because like, yeah, so
like what are the mannerisms like right's dude, like you know,
emotionally disconnected, like not thinking about social cues. That that
was an entire culture, Like that was an entire group

(01:32:27):
of people.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
That if you want to get if you wanted to
get even into even tougher situations, you could say you
talked about things like Joseph Smith, right, repeating the same
Mormon story in slightly different words in different ways. I've
had several Mormon friends talk to me about how like, oh,
like language experts have studied Joseph Smith's speakings that were

(01:32:49):
that were written down for him and said, oh, this
can't be something that he was making up. This is
this is as it looks like something that he was
reading and not just making up as he was saying.
And if you know the Mormon story, you know what
I'm talking about. And the first thing that I watched
somebody having that conversationise was or he could have been

(01:33:10):
on the autistic spectrum, right, because that also explains this completely.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Right, And that's what's so fascinating about it, is like
when we come up with these words to describe characteristics,
personality traits, it's a dangerous game to play because this
goes back to like when is something a quote unquote disorder?
And this goes to Whitney's point about apparently do we
just fine? Yeah, like when when do we die in religion?
Like red hair is a genetic deviation that can only

(01:33:38):
happen in certain genetic codes, right, but like we don't
look at it as an abomination necessarily though the gingers are.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
You know, an people.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
But yeah, like you look at like that quality and
you say, okay, this is a genetic variation. But we say,
look it's it's an outlier, but it's within the normal,
wild realm of how humans will appear. And like that,
it doesn't need to be diagnosed, it doesn't need to
be pathologized. And I think on the show for years,
it's one of the things that we've often said is
like we don't like the weaponization of mental health. We
don't like pathologizing typical human behavior. In the past, we've

(01:34:11):
talked about not everybody has to be a narciss he
could just say he's an asshole, Like that's just somebody
humans can be. Yeah, And it's interesting because like there's
a I think a good argument to be made of
is autism even something that deserves a word that sounds
mental healthy. Can't it just be a personality type? Can't
it just be a way the brain works? And I
think that's what neurodivergence is trying to do, is try

(01:34:31):
to like enter a space where we say, what if
we could talk about like atypical neurological ways as a
personality trait instead of like pathologizing this as a disease.
What if we save disease talk for impairment, like the
person who is actually impaired their nonverbal like that, Yes, okay,
this is causing clinical significant distress in their life. Great,
now let's treat those symptoms and that reality. But maybe

(01:34:54):
we don't need to pathologize everything about the person. Maybe
that's part of the solution to I don't know, yep.
Or we just put worms in everybody's heads. I think
that's like if you fight, you know, the only thing
could stop a bad guy with a worm in his.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Head that is a good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
That's right, That's that's how we solve this problem.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Or a good worm with a bad guy in its head.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Oh, ship's okay, playing some air drunk about it, putting
the man in the worm a.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Little trumpet.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Yeah, and I can't do it throat. My throat literally
wouldn't make the noise trump.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
I could usually do that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
We are gonna take a quick break and when we
come back, we were wrapping up the show. You are
listening to pod therapy today.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
This episode was brought to you, all right, Jake Schneider,
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Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Com slash there well, as we wrap up the show
and remind you you can set up Patreon dot com
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discord community, and our spontaneous teep dives, interviews, skill shares,
research roundups and rants. And it was so funny because
as we were hanging out with people at Scoopfest, I
would notice I'd have a conversation with somebody and get

(01:36:17):
along with them really well, and then all of a sudden,
I'd get a notification in my phone that somebody just
became a therapal or a therapy and I'd see their
name and be like, oh, that's so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
I'm just hanging out with this dude, Nate, and then
and then all sudden he's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Like boo, I'm like cool man out there doing the work.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Fun, fun random scoop Fest story. So, uh, you guys,
were all tea Liberty University bit showed up a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Yeah, And so one of the scoops comes out and
he goes, hey, bro, I've never listened to your show.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
I went to Liberty University too. I was like, shut
the fuck up, like I worked there, man, and so
like we were just sitting there trading war stories. He
has the same bachelors as me. It was in studies
in religion. They don't offer a different one. That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
I thought they all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
That one. Those are those are two degrees they had.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
That's the only the only university of the world where
they still have home that class.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
That's right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
But it was really funny Bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Asking questions about it. You have my attention.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
He's like, is this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Something you don't talk about like in that in the podcast.
World's like no, I did a whole deep dive on it,
like because you know, like all my friends are atheists,
and like I don't know what the fuck I am
and this comes up a lot, and so like I've
recorded a whole thing where I try to figure that out.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
And he was like, is this on your Patreon? And
I was like yeah, like that and it's later.

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
When when Liberty was mentioned, they were like, oh, wait,
Jim did go there. I was like, yes, somebody, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
He hadn't actually gone there, it wouldn't be nearly as
funny a joke.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
Like they were shocked, like, oh, I did not know.
I thought that was a joke. No, he went there
and people actually went there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Again. I came to your defense. I did the Lord's
work this.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
You just weren't there to see it, Jim, because you
were in your car.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Because we were there only one set of footprints in
the same because Jesus was carrying his wife. So we
get some Yeah, no I did. I did clarify the
pH D is legit, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
But when I had the master, Jacob's pH D is legit.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
I don't think you need his masters. It's from Liberty.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
I'm gonna get yours, but.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Having to mine's legit.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
So here's from like a Texas Baptist School or something
like that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
My undergrad, my bachelor's, my masters is UT Arlington.

Speaker 6 (01:38:42):
It doesn't matter because the Texas Bible School or whatever
is still just Bible than it is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
I had to take like one, like two Bibles.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
So we've got some new friends who signed up for
the their party at patroon dot com slash therapy, like,
we got.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
A new therapeal, Sherry Phillips, got two new therapods, Emily Cope,
Welcome Elli and Nate where he is from Liberty Nate.
We got some new theradactyls too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
We got milk boy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
I think I'm pronouncing that right, feels right and blip blop.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
So I was talking to Adam rabisnick Uh and Adam
what Yeah, And this is exactly what it was about.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
I'm so.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
He was like, hey, do you have you figured out
the same my last name yet? And I said Rebusnik.
He's like, there's literally not even an end in it,
Like what the fuck. And I was like, yeah, this
is hopeless. He goes, I know, that's why I upgraded
my Patreon to Theradactyls, so that Whitney would have.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Been the one reading my name. My name is hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
I was like, so your choices were like quit patrooning
the show or or upgrade, and I basically extorted you
into an upgrade by ruining your name.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
He's like, yeah, and that checks out. That deal goes
for all of our listeners. That's right, the more you pay,
the more effort we will there. We'll get to re
you're Davis, a more intelligent host will read the name.

Speaker 6 (01:40:04):
And hey, if you get onto one of those bigger levels,
the studio might even get named after you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
For a special episode. That's a great bip.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
But this is the first episode of the next month,
and so we always like to thank all of our
therapods and theradactyls, and of course we think our producers
and partners every single episode, but therap pods thank you.
The dark Lord himself, Jim's Fasha University, Jeff Robert, Paulson,
Richard bruins A, Linda Brandmeyer, Scoopsure Not, Joseph Bengrazio, Corey Owens,
Christine Phillips, Gavin Bristow, Carrie Terhark, Kiwi Fruit Scoop Take

(01:40:35):
It Evy Podcast, James K. Craig, Little Jim Hunter, Scoopatron,
Todd Canfield, Felicia Butler, David Sorensen, Shayla Bullock, Lauren is O,
Katie Chiwakowski, Matt's Lenegren, Adam Pettanouzo, Lee Popsicle, Scoop Itter
Ascending that Josh Guy, what Weekend, MoMA, Ninja Scoop, James Dawson,
Sarah Olo, Grumpy Lake Mead Park Ranger, Sam Buck, Karen McCulloch,

(01:40:56):
chimmist Lyla, Kelly Gagner, Nippy, Matthew Johnson, Brian Emra Lancaster. Okay, So,
Julius Cappell. I met him. He's German, and he's he's great,
and so he comes up and he goes, so listen,
I'm German. You've been saying my name wrong the whole time.
And I'm like, of course, I have nobody surprised. And
so I was like, well, how do I say your

(01:41:17):
last name? It's not Cappel and he's like, no, it's
insert correct pronunciation. I don't remember what he said, and
so I said, I'm just gonna keep running with Cappel
because I don't remember how it might have been.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Compel, Compel German. I believe he's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
From a clone he is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Yeah, yeah, I overheard him tell me that. Yeah, heard
him like Julius very much. I overheard him tell me
that to my face. He was talking to you and
you weren't paying attention, and you still manage I gathered
this anyway. Julius is A Really Cool Guy. J D.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Congan, Drew Helligy A literal Pickle, Matthias Vanda, Brandt, Keninsley,
Flindy Smells Funny, Joel McMillan, Matthew Cubic, Duffy The A,
m F t Arapist, Bear Yay, Chad Chad the Safety,
Lad Walker, Fluke, Tim Mystery, Philip Guiton, Kerkagrim Almost Doctor Nurse,
Joey Kristin Yep, that's it, Christen Robins, Freia Lawson, Tricia Ortiz,

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Melissa l. Geisler, Christopher de Gercy Scott a Mississippi Hippie,
d J. Sewert, Patty Glad Fiefe, Anthony Camarada, Heather w Kyle,
Kate Police, David Williams, Frontastic, Eric Dyer, Buddy Dobbins, Curnel, Pillar,
Glitch Scoop, Nathan Mookie, Stephen Landon, bug Nuts, Aleeda Blaze, Mysterious, Annalid,
Manuel cava Zos, Kenneth Wong, John Finlayson, Adam Blaze, Persephone Hazard,

(01:42:38):
Robert Cole k, Pizzle, Dizzle Lizzle Mizzle, Carmen Perry, kJ
Mister Poth, Temporary Reality Sinsidium, Jeff Darnell, Jamibi Jacob Hurt,
Ben Sherman, Ray j Shark, Recreated, Silka Daniels, What does
scoop mean? K Trauma, Sherry Hare, Jacob Billingsley, Alex Jararden,

(01:43:00):
Dylan Callipee, Wolfio five, Chris Courtney, Dale, The King, Ainsling Carton,
Cedar Hayden, Adam goff Linus Hakkasan, I think I don't care,
Hi Kevin Tribe, Livy Terrible Day, Grace Anybitty Chicken Farmer,
sam Ka Matthews, John Caravadas, Chill Food, Zachary w The Listician,
Squabby Scoop, Bucky, Nate Walk, Joriva, Emily Cope, charm City Therapist,

(01:43:25):
m Al Almanda, Almanda, Nora, nailed It, Fish, Bumfish, Foxy Sally, Zelda,
Ray Skywalker, Cloudy Pie's Hunter McCrae. Whose ass I am
beating in Fantasy football this week?

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Take your beating? Hunter?

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Joshua Schultz, Hannah Amaya, Neck Pubes, Matthew Connor, Winter Scoop,
Andre O CCS, The Wittle, Shitty Titty Kitty Fun Crapper,
Renee g, Kyle Sharton, and Joseph Wagner. This list is huge,
and that tells me that that means that Nick finally
found everybody's names in Patreon and got them on the list.
But if you donate to our show at the therapy

(01:44:00):
level and you are not hearing your name, please message
us pot Therapy guys at gmail dot com or message
us through the Patreon we will get it fixed.

Speaker 5 (01:44:06):
We also have our Theradactyls, Dirty Bees, Scoop, Brady Ice,
Blue Scoop, Brian Layman, Andrea Anderson, Frozen Cusser, Lori Elsroth,
Polygon Sy, Shaunagan.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Scoopy Scoopy, just just Okie Scoop, Dank Butta brooks Lyle Adam,
rib Chick, Lovely Spark.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Oh no, Ribchick. Okay, yeah, I believe it's okay. That's
what I believesiness, That's what I overheard with my ears.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Is just fine.

Speaker 5 (01:44:35):
Jim and Monnu, the offices of Counselor and Counselor Blip
blop a Krusty cothont Casey fucking mentor, Yes, milk boy,
mommy damte.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Yeah, some of these when they get copied and pasted
or they get moved, oh yeah for formatting. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
So whenever you guys hear me screwing up on words,
it's not because I don't know the symbol. There's not English,
the copyright sign and like I'm one. Yeah, it's like
your names are written in weather.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
I had no idea what. It's not my fault, God
damn it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
We'd also like to think the benevolent, revered, generous, and
flagrantly pro therapy diehards who love you all so much,
give till it hurts, the therap partners pick it. And
we'd like to especially think our bosses, the mysterious and
shrouded Illuminati, members of our fan club, the their producers,
thank you, Jake Schneider, My ro Robert Brownie, Junior, Mint,
Smitty Scoop, Richard Fucking Macy, Judy Schneider, Malia, Leon Casab,

(01:45:31):
Carolyn Albert. So at some point Jake Snyder comes out
and he goes, I was doing something silly, goes, bro,
are you high right now? And I was like, I
gave Judy a hugginn hour ago, So I think I
got a contact.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Guy that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Yeah, I'll do it, uh, Melia, Leon Casob, Carolyn Albert,
Kevin Chamberlain, Tess Miller, Dan Martin, Sammy Scoop, Slurpikai motherfucker,
Ben Stanley Slapping your Face, Sarah Smith, Adam Hathaway, Builer Tea,
Mike helm Oscar Swan Rose paris A Sunny Boy, Darren Cunningham, Libs,
Sandra Mcwoffle Team Monico, Thunder Cougar, Falcon, Scoop, Hey O Hannah,
Marie Andrew Lang, Meet Emma Tonka and Pony Soprano Alina Cody,

(01:46:06):
The Loriian Guy, Brady Malay, Chick Chick, Filatio gabriel A Dame,
Shaun Sutherland, max A Gender, Scoop, Chad mag Adam Warren,
Uncle the Prince, Sam Cone, Bige Do Crimes and Ellie Odare.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
That's all the time we got for this week's session.
We would like to thank our landlord, Sherry O'Hare Studios.
I think i've added O'Hare too. I don't think that's
an airport, isn't it adding fucker, Let's just add an O'Hair.
She's Irish. Now, just accept that ship.

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Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
I'm Nick, I'm Jim. It's time for bed. It is
almost eight pm.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
I'm ready for it. Is it is tim till eight pm?

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
That can't be right, That's it possible?

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Goodbye, everybody. Are you guys gonna go visiting one?

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Do you have anybody that you're really looking forward to visit?

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
She is a hot supple nineteen year old. Oh that'll
be fun. Jim God, so.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Many people walking around scoop Fest with Jim drops that
they have personally cut out and they're just walking around
playing them and like, please don't stop us.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
I have that one on my phone. Yeah, because jab
I did. I got a real clean She is a
hot supple nineteen year old.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
It's a real play.

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
That sounds like you're warming up for a speech.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Well, your in the room, and we're like we're gonna
sit nobody, nobody step on that, let him get it
all out.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
They're gonna shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Goodbye, everybody,

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