July 22, 2024 • 25 mins
Bienvenidos a Podcast UR, donde exploramos el proyecto "Regeneración de la Naturaleza, la Humanidad y la Civilización" de Humberto Rojas Rodríguez presentaod en la COP 16. Analizamos la agricultura orgánica-ecológica, la educación juvenil, entre otros. Únete mientras discutimos cómo equilibrar los intereses individuales con las necesidades del medio natural para construir un mundo mejor.
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(00:00):
A greeting to all our listeners,of a radio rosary and of these podcasts
that are the so- called podcastUerea, that we talk about different topics,
of academic projects, research and well, today, at this moment we
find Humberto Rojas Rodríguez, the leaderof the project of regeneration of nature,
(00:21):
humanity and civilization. Cob sixteen,Humberto, how' s the afternoon?
Yes, there is also a questionfor Colombians. I hope that when the
storm is strong, that they arevery well, perfect, then tell me
(00:42):
that it motivated you to develop thisintegral regeneration project. Karen, motivation is
the motivation that all inhabitants have fromthe planet. We all live in a
plan on the same planet, inthe same circumstances in which the planet lives,
(01:06):
with possibilities, with difficulties and withenormous bottleneck, especially of civilization.
Tell me already as such of thisproject, how it visualizes the implementation of
organic, ecological agriculture, in contrastto the conventional methods presented here in Colombia,
(01:27):
it is completely possible, Karen,to regenerate nature on the planet,
the incredible biodiversity, but completely possible. In the last thirty- six years,
(01:49):
we, in the calera here,near Bogotá, have made two three
or so of natural biodiversity where thenatural water flows from the bottom up,
that is, it rains and thepreatic level as it has been forming plant
(02:10):
layer and jungle, that is,biodiversity has been rising the water table level
and, in addition, the rains. When it rains once a month,
these rains soak the soil, whichis already a vegetable layer with microbiodiversity.
(02:36):
It is this task we have donein the last thirty- five years.
In one like that in the other, we' ve been fifteen and in
both it' s beautiful. Biodiversity, soils, plant layer, microbiodiversity and
therefore permanent water evaporation during the threehundred and eighty- five days of the
(03:02):
perfect year. Then Humberto. Accordingto what he explains to me, this
project causes nature to regenerate by itsown means, that is, it does
not need certain additional elements. Thisis the only thing you need to create
(03:32):
biodiversity, plant layer, rains andother series of similar phenomena. The only
thing that is needed is the understandingof nature, which is understood to the
extent that one goes through, livingtogether, going through with it. You
(03:54):
don' t learn in books thatlearn nature. We understand nature and our
children, all of us, theeducational system, everything must go back to
nature to learn clearly, and therecomes to me the question that you mention
the importance of the education and trainingof young people, of children in the
(04:17):
project. So how does it proposeintegrating this education to ensure the long-
term success of biodiversity regeneration. Yes, clear and listening, we can perfectly
regenerate nature, that is, biodiversitybetween them, not the forests, the
(04:41):
microbiodiversity, the new ones, allthat can be regenerated. We can also
regenerate civilization. You know, Karenand hearers that humanity is deterns native to
what it does on the planet.We are clear that humanity is both determinative
(05:06):
and self- determinative. I mean, he has the natural faculty to regenerate
what we' ve destroyed, buildit back. That is to say,
we can root nature, biodiversity,forests, we can rebuild them again perfectly
(05:28):
human beings, humanity has the powerto be determinative of the natural environment and
I would like the listeners to questionthis clear statement, Humberto, which is
that it is also very important totrain young people and children on these issues,
(05:50):
so, as I was right tosay, we are as such.
The future of nature? Then?Then, continuing with other topics, you
talk about the common global human culture. How he imagines that this culture can
promote peace, solidarity in different communities. Karel very good of that question and
(06:16):
I' ll answer you with anotherquestion. I have written it, Colombia,
humanity, a global project, atheory that will lead it to the
future. What Opinafis has, becauseI would think we' re working on
(06:41):
it, whether it' s concreteor not. And I' m going
to tell you about the ecological problem. You have not been familiar with the
problem for fifty hundred years, anduntil now, in fifty hundred years,
eight thousand of my inhabitants on theplanet and we do not have a common
(07:05):
global project or theory that will leadhumanity to the future. I affirm,
they also want to question and doubtit, confirm it or reject this statement.
Colombia has a cultural structure that expressesitself through the educational system and national
(07:29):
and global youth, or has nothing. What good is so much study,
so much theory, so many articles, so many exhibitions, if humanity does
not have a theory, a projectthat will lead it to the future?
(07:55):
How hard these questions serve what theythink. It is not clear that there
well how you mentioned, because exactlywhat serves so much study, p and
as such, we do not internalizewhat is really happening in Colombia, in
(08:15):
nature and in all the beautiful territorythat we have. So, that'
s something important that listeners need toknow and take into account for future research
and future action. Sure, andI' ll give you a parenthesis.
Study, research, it' swork, academia, science, etcetera.
(08:43):
They are constructive and I would saythat they are fully constructive and conducive,
leading to the proper puncture of civilization, to the proper role of civilization.
And besides that, I would saythat with strambithic successes the fruit of academia,
(09:11):
science, literature, research, civilization, but the commons of humanity.
Another question floats well similar to science, specializations, theoretical knowledge, etcetera.
Or it' s completely retarded.What do you think katy Well Humberto,
(09:37):
let me tell you. I feelthat research is going more and more from
the academy, that is, fromwhere we are at a point far apart
from what is really going on.Yeah, well, and you were wondering,
you were wondering how to regenerate thesoils. That' s right,
(10:09):
and I' m going to tellyou, you don' t need money
or theories. You just need tolook at nature. For every human being
who wants to regenerate nature, onlyto observe it and to observe it,
(10:31):
he discovers, as it is naturalthat taking the hands of man, of
the soil, of the pike,of the farm, of the farm,
taking out the hand of man anddomestic animals, and nature and biodiversity begin
(10:56):
to express themselves and express themselves andtransform themselves into forests, into biodiversity,
into micro biodiversity, into rich soils, yes, into vegetable layer, very
rich, in water storage, whichwe do not realize. Over the centuries
and we do not realize the waterthat rains goes to the rivers, to
(11:18):
the jets, to the rivers andto the sea. And like the surface
of the earth, of the beamsand of the planet, it is petrified
by lack of jungle and vegetation.It is left stagnant that it stores in
the soil, in the vegetable layerand then differs it day by day,
(11:41):
for three hundred and sixty- fivedays. What do you think he knows
about this little star? Not sure. Yes, it is that as such,
nature is perfect and she is forgingher own exact, accurate processes to
see how elementary it is and wehave not done it. That' s
(12:03):
right. That is why the questionarises here of how you see the relationship
between particular interests and the need ofthe natural environment in search of a sustainable
balance. Most closely related to whatI was talking about earlier or that question.
I' d love to answer itto you, but I' d
(12:28):
like to tell you another clear detail. Together with the previous one, let
us remember that to regenerate the plantlayer, soils and microbiodiversity and therefore macrobiodiversity
as a next step, it isno more without or taking out man'
(12:50):
s hands for one or three,five or ten years and begins to form
plant layer. Also domestic animals.Informed the plant layer, we already have
a beginning of biodiversity and we canhave on the planet half planets thirty percent
what we want from fertile soils,microbiodiversity and macrobiodiversity. We can have it
(13:22):
again. Now it eats you toucha detail attached to that one not we
have the Andes Mountain Range and itlives there. Approximately eighty percent of the
Colombian peasantry is seated, enduring hungerand needs and poverty, misery, and
(13:45):
that generates social decomposition that is expressedin all forms. And we blame this,
the other thing, the other thing. And it turns out that these
lands of mountain range, where eightthirty percent of the peasant population is,
can perfectly turn from unproductive, asit is today, to productive. Or
(14:13):
it is possible throughout the mountain rangeto get the peasants production to be reduced
from one to five or the cacarenis due from one to five the production
and down from five to one.A national power station that interconnects the producer
(14:43):
of the Andes mountain range of Colombiawith the consumer and intermediaries adding with the
input troveedores. That' s allyou have to do and you can weigh
with three people tomorrow if you budgetand you would solve the total problem in
(15:09):
all aspects of the peasantry of thecordelera of those before. We have done
it with our hands, we haveworked it, we have experienced it,
we have tested it forward. Now, yes, Carlico, no yes,
of course it' s already good. With that information, we already have,
because the whole project is much clearer. And then I come back and
(15:33):
repeat the question, which is howyou see the relationship between particular interests and
the need for the natural environment inthe search for a sustainable balance. I
tell you Carriel, the need,so it' s a subject sometimes is
complex and experimental and we could doit elementary. The need is natural to
(16:02):
place them in Colombians who are listeningto the need governed the human life of
the species as the main force untilcivilization began. When civilization began, the
(16:29):
particular interest, which is the forcethat governs civilization, began to rule.
This will be clear in the entireacademy of the whole world, in the
texts how good I bid. So, if this is the case, we
(16:49):
have to check it out. I' ll release it for verification. If
the need is so, it isthe one that governed humanity before civilization,
and the particular interest is the forcethat governs civilization, that is, from
(17:14):
the beginning of civilization to date anduntil tomorrow. It is the most powerful
force in civilization. It is thecreative force of civilization and all its development
and evolution to this day. Whatdo you think Karen, No, because
(17:37):
it' s a pretty broad topicfrom which you can get a lot of
topics. So that civilization and everythingis governed only by certain aspects is something
complex, but Karen and listener issupremely elementary. So it is supreme and
(18:00):
how this would be solved in twowords after it has to be explained,
and the explanation takes years of research, or decades or enough decades. These
conclusions are not reached with a verycareful reading of a very wise work to
come to this. It' sa bad thing and I' m going
(18:25):
to tell you another detail car listeners. To resolve the general crisis of humanity
and all the small crises requires abalance between two very powerful forces, the
(18:47):
one that I have just mentioned toyou the necessity and the one that I
have just mentioned to you the interest, The balance between necessity and interest,
because here it is formed and thatis handled by science, an antagonistic contradiction,
(19:08):
that is, from the beginning tothe death, between the necessity of
nature, the necessity of humanity,the necessity of civilization itself. This crisis
is required to return or achieve ormake the process mankind a path to achieve
(19:34):
a balance, to pass it fromantagonistic as it is now, that is,
an antagonistic contradiction from here to Beijing, and that contradiction lowers it,
lowers it, lowers it, untilit reaches the level of complementary contradiction,
(19:59):
which is completely possible, because,as I told you, humanity is determinative
of the medium, that is,it has the natural power to do so.
Because it is argued that the cycleof civilization that we are going through
(20:22):
has a powerful, unbeatable force,and I want to bring you the message
that that is true, completely true. The force that drags civilization, which
develops, evolves and projects civilization isvery powerful, unbeatable. But I would
(20:47):
also like to tell you that humanityhas an unbeatable need, also insurmountable,
very great, impossible to handle.And anyone would say that the strength of
nature leads us to the future andwe have to give ourselves up. But
that' s not the case.There are two reasons why this is not
(21:11):
the case. The first is theneed that, as long as life exists,
there is need and necessity is theforce that governed and governs life on
the planet, not only the humanspecies, but life on the planet,
including the species, necessity and naturalforce that governs. The very powerful nature
(21:41):
is far more powerful than the forcethat governs civilization. Then we have the
growing need on the globe, theneed for nature, the need for humanity
and the need for CIBRIS. Allthree are in an upward crisis and are
(22:03):
increasingly in need. The force ofnecessity is impectuous, but this force is
passed through the powerful force of civilizationin which we live, and it is
(22:25):
a most respectable force has the potentialto have given rise to civilization and that
particular interest to have given evolution tocivilization, development to civilization. It is
(22:45):
the natural force of the natural civilizationof civilization. I' m not saying
the nature of civilization. It's a provisional unbeaten force. But,
as I told you, there isthe strength of necessity, which is not
(23:08):
only the necessity of species and civilization, but the necessity of the whole nature
of life, all that is alsovery powerful. And that force is very
powerful and it' s cornered.And besides, there is something that we
(23:34):
discover, and that is that thehuman being in civilization acquired the faculty,
the capacity to be determinative of thenatural environment and civilization. And your day
- to- day stuff. Herewe are proving it right now. Humanity
is determinative about the natural environment andcivilization. Every day we do tess,
(24:04):
we do, we change everything.Mankind is already determining powerfulness shows humanity that
it is capable of caril thousand graces. And if you have any other questions,
with great pleasure, ah no,Humberto, because already with all that
(24:30):
panorama and with all that slogan ofnecessity and personal interests, the whole panorama
was already much clearer. Then,without further ado, thank you also for
the words and all the teachings ofthis little interview. Thanks to all the
people who connected to a new episodeof Tuere podcast, where we talked to
(24:52):
Professor Humberto Rojas about the regeneration projectof nature. Humanity and civility do not
forget to follow us on all oursocial networks. We' re like ruff
or rosary radio on x, Instagramand tiktok Les. Karen garcía spoke until next time
A greeting to all our listeners,of a radio rosary and of these podcasts
that are the so- called podcastUerea, that we talk about different topics,
of academic projects, research and well, today, at this moment we
find Humberto Rojas Rodríguez, the leaderof the project of regeneration of nature,
(00:21):
humanity and civilization. Cob sixteen,Humberto, how' s the afternoon?
Yes, there is also a questionfor Colombians. I hope that when the
storm is strong, that they arevery well, perfect, then tell me
(00:42):
that it motivated you to develop thisintegral regeneration project. Karen, motivation is
the motivation that all inhabitants have fromthe planet. We all live in a
plan on the same planet, inthe same circumstances in which the planet lives,
(01:06):
with possibilities, with difficulties and withenormous bottleneck, especially of civilization.
Tell me already as such of thisproject, how it visualizes the implementation of
organic, ecological agriculture, in contrastto the conventional methods presented here in Colombia,
(01:27):
it is completely possible, Karen,to regenerate nature on the planet,
the incredible biodiversity, but completely possible. In the last thirty- six years,
(01:49):
we, in the calera here,near Bogotá, have made two three
or so of natural biodiversity where thenatural water flows from the bottom up,
that is, it rains and thepreatic level as it has been forming plant
(02:10):
layer and jungle, that is,biodiversity has been rising the water table level
and, in addition, the rains. When it rains once a month,
these rains soak the soil, whichis already a vegetable layer with microbiodiversity.
(02:36):
It is this task we have donein the last thirty- five years.
In one like that in the other, we' ve been fifteen and in
both it' s beautiful. Biodiversity, soils, plant layer, microbiodiversity and
therefore permanent water evaporation during the threehundred and eighty- five days of the
(03:02):
perfect year. Then Humberto. Accordingto what he explains to me, this
project causes nature to regenerate by itsown means, that is, it does
not need certain additional elements. Thisis the only thing you need to create
(03:32):
biodiversity, plant layer, rains andother series of similar phenomena. The only
thing that is needed is the understandingof nature, which is understood to the
extent that one goes through, livingtogether, going through with it. You
(03:54):
don' t learn in books thatlearn nature. We understand nature and our
children, all of us, theeducational system, everything must go back to
nature to learn clearly, and therecomes to me the question that you mention
the importance of the education and trainingof young people, of children in the
(04:17):
project. So how does it proposeintegrating this education to ensure the long-
term success of biodiversity regeneration. Yes, clear and listening, we can perfectly
regenerate nature, that is, biodiversitybetween them, not the forests, the
(04:41):
microbiodiversity, the new ones, allthat can be regenerated. We can also
regenerate civilization. You know, Karenand hearers that humanity is deterns native to
what it does on the planet.We are clear that humanity is both determinative
(05:06):
and self- determinative. I mean, he has the natural faculty to regenerate
what we' ve destroyed, buildit back. That is to say,
we can root nature, biodiversity,forests, we can rebuild them again perfectly
(05:28):
human beings, humanity has the powerto be determinative of the natural environment and
I would like the listeners to questionthis clear statement, Humberto, which is
that it is also very important totrain young people and children on these issues,
(05:50):
so, as I was right tosay, we are as such.
The future of nature? Then?Then, continuing with other topics, you
talk about the common global human culture. How he imagines that this culture can
promote peace, solidarity in different communities. Karel very good of that question and
(06:16):
I' ll answer you with anotherquestion. I have written it, Colombia,
humanity, a global project, atheory that will lead it to the
future. What Opinafis has, becauseI would think we' re working on
(06:41):
it, whether it' s concreteor not. And I' m going
to tell you about the ecological problem. You have not been familiar with the
problem for fifty hundred years, anduntil now, in fifty hundred years,
eight thousand of my inhabitants on theplanet and we do not have a common
(07:05):
global project or theory that will leadhumanity to the future. I affirm,
they also want to question and doubtit, confirm it or reject this statement.
Colombia has a cultural structure that expressesitself through the educational system and national
(07:29):
and global youth, or has nothing. What good is so much study,
so much theory, so many articles, so many exhibitions, if humanity does
not have a theory, a projectthat will lead it to the future?
(07:55):
How hard these questions serve what theythink. It is not clear that there
well how you mentioned, because exactlywhat serves so much study, p and
as such, we do not internalizewhat is really happening in Colombia, in
(08:15):
nature and in all the beautiful territorythat we have. So, that'
s something important that listeners need toknow and take into account for future research
and future action. Sure, andI' ll give you a parenthesis.
Study, research, it' swork, academia, science, etcetera.
(08:43):
They are constructive and I would saythat they are fully constructive and conducive,
leading to the proper puncture of civilization, to the proper role of civilization.
And besides that, I would saythat with strambithic successes the fruit of academia,
(09:11):
science, literature, research, civilization, but the commons of humanity.
Another question floats well similar to science, specializations, theoretical knowledge, etcetera.
Or it' s completely retarded.What do you think katy Well Humberto,
(09:37):
let me tell you. I feelthat research is going more and more from
the academy, that is, fromwhere we are at a point far apart
from what is really going on.Yeah, well, and you were wondering,
you were wondering how to regenerate thesoils. That' s right,
(10:09):
and I' m going to tellyou, you don' t need money
or theories. You just need tolook at nature. For every human being
who wants to regenerate nature, onlyto observe it and to observe it,
(10:31):
he discovers, as it is naturalthat taking the hands of man, of
the soil, of the pike,of the farm, of the farm,
taking out the hand of man anddomestic animals, and nature and biodiversity begin
(10:56):
to express themselves and express themselves andtransform themselves into forests, into biodiversity,
into micro biodiversity, into rich soils, yes, into vegetable layer, very
rich, in water storage, whichwe do not realize. Over the centuries
and we do not realize the waterthat rains goes to the rivers, to
(11:18):
the jets, to the rivers andto the sea. And like the surface
of the earth, of the beamsand of the planet, it is petrified
by lack of jungle and vegetation.It is left stagnant that it stores in
the soil, in the vegetable layerand then differs it day by day,
(11:41):
for three hundred and sixty- fivedays. What do you think he knows
about this little star? Not sure. Yes, it is that as such,
nature is perfect and she is forgingher own exact, accurate processes to
see how elementary it is and wehave not done it. That' s
(12:03):
right. That is why the questionarises here of how you see the relationship
between particular interests and the need ofthe natural environment in search of a sustainable
balance. Most closely related to whatI was talking about earlier or that question.
I' d love to answer itto you, but I' d
(12:28):
like to tell you another clear detail. Together with the previous one, let
us remember that to regenerate the plantlayer, soils and microbiodiversity and therefore macrobiodiversity
as a next step, it isno more without or taking out man'
(12:50):
s hands for one or three,five or ten years and begins to form
plant layer. Also domestic animals.Informed the plant layer, we already have
a beginning of biodiversity and we canhave on the planet half planets thirty percent
what we want from fertile soils,microbiodiversity and macrobiodiversity. We can have it
(13:22):
again. Now it eats you toucha detail attached to that one not we
have the Andes Mountain Range and itlives there. Approximately eighty percent of the
Colombian peasantry is seated, enduring hungerand needs and poverty, misery, and
(13:45):
that generates social decomposition that is expressedin all forms. And we blame this,
the other thing, the other thing. And it turns out that these
lands of mountain range, where eightthirty percent of the peasant population is,
can perfectly turn from unproductive, asit is today, to productive. Or
(14:13):
it is possible throughout the mountain rangeto get the peasants production to be reduced
from one to five or the cacarenis due from one to five the production
and down from five to one.A national power station that interconnects the producer
(14:43):
of the Andes mountain range of Colombiawith the consumer and intermediaries adding with the
input troveedores. That' s allyou have to do and you can weigh
with three people tomorrow if you budgetand you would solve the total problem in
(15:09):
all aspects of the peasantry of thecordelera of those before. We have done
it with our hands, we haveworked it, we have experienced it,
we have tested it forward. Now, yes, Carlico, no yes,
of course it' s already good. With that information, we already have,
because the whole project is much clearer. And then I come back and
(15:33):
repeat the question, which is howyou see the relationship between particular interests and
the need for the natural environment inthe search for a sustainable balance. I
tell you Carriel, the need,so it' s a subject sometimes is
complex and experimental and we could doit elementary. The need is natural to
(16:02):
place them in Colombians who are listeningto the need governed the human life of
the species as the main force untilcivilization began. When civilization began, the
(16:29):
particular interest, which is the forcethat governs civilization, began to rule.
This will be clear in the entireacademy of the whole world, in the
texts how good I bid. So, if this is the case, we
(16:49):
have to check it out. I' ll release it for verification. If
the need is so, it isthe one that governed humanity before civilization,
and the particular interest is the forcethat governs civilization, that is, from
(17:14):
the beginning of civilization to date anduntil tomorrow. It is the most powerful
force in civilization. It is thecreative force of civilization and all its development
and evolution to this day. Whatdo you think Karen, No, because
(17:37):
it' s a pretty broad topicfrom which you can get a lot of
topics. So that civilization and everythingis governed only by certain aspects is something
complex, but Karen and listener issupremely elementary. So it is supreme and
(18:00):
how this would be solved in twowords after it has to be explained,
and the explanation takes years of research, or decades or enough decades. These
conclusions are not reached with a verycareful reading of a very wise work to
come to this. It' sa bad thing and I' m going
(18:25):
to tell you another detail car listeners. To resolve the general crisis of humanity
and all the small crises requires abalance between two very powerful forces, the
(18:47):
one that I have just mentioned toyou the necessity and the one that I
have just mentioned to you the interest, The balance between necessity and interest,
because here it is formed and thatis handled by science, an antagonistic contradiction,
(19:08):
that is, from the beginning tothe death, between the necessity of
nature, the necessity of humanity,the necessity of civilization itself. This crisis
is required to return or achieve ormake the process mankind a path to achieve
(19:34):
a balance, to pass it fromantagonistic as it is now, that is,
an antagonistic contradiction from here to Beijing, and that contradiction lowers it,
lowers it, lowers it, untilit reaches the level of complementary contradiction,
(19:59):
which is completely possible, because,as I told you, humanity is determinative
of the medium, that is,it has the natural power to do so.
Because it is argued that the cycleof civilization that we are going through
(20:22):
has a powerful, unbeatable force,and I want to bring you the message
that that is true, completely true. The force that drags civilization, which
develops, evolves and projects civilization isvery powerful, unbeatable. But I would
(20:47):
also like to tell you that humanityhas an unbeatable need, also insurmountable,
very great, impossible to handle.And anyone would say that the strength of
nature leads us to the future andwe have to give ourselves up. But
that' s not the case.There are two reasons why this is not
(21:11):
the case. The first is theneed that, as long as life exists,
there is need and necessity is theforce that governed and governs life on
the planet, not only the humanspecies, but life on the planet,
including the species, necessity and naturalforce that governs. The very powerful nature
(21:41):
is far more powerful than the forcethat governs civilization. Then we have the
growing need on the globe, theneed for nature, the need for humanity
and the need for CIBRIS. Allthree are in an upward crisis and are
(22:03):
increasingly in need. The force ofnecessity is impectuous, but this force is
passed through the powerful force of civilizationin which we live, and it is
(22:25):
a most respectable force has the potentialto have given rise to civilization and that
particular interest to have given evolution tocivilization, development to civilization. It is
(22:45):
the natural force of the natural civilizationof civilization. I' m not saying
the nature of civilization. It's a provisional unbeaten force. But,
as I told you, there isthe strength of necessity, which is not
(23:08):
only the necessity of species and civilization, but the necessity of the whole nature
of life, all that is alsovery powerful. And that force is very
powerful and it' s cornered.And besides, there is something that we
(23:34):
discover, and that is that thehuman being in civilization acquired the faculty,
the capacity to be determinative of thenatural environment and civilization. And your day
- to- day stuff. Herewe are proving it right now. Humanity
is determinative about the natural environment andcivilization. Every day we do tess,
(24:04):
we do, we change everything.Mankind is already determining powerfulness shows humanity that
it is capable of caril thousand graces. And if you have any other questions,
with great pleasure, ah no,Humberto, because already with all that
(24:30):
panorama and with all that slogan ofnecessity and personal interests, the whole panorama
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