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Welcome to Podcast uber I' mKaren Garcia. In today' s episode
we will talk about the world ofartificial intelligence and its impact on the production
and dissemination of knowledge. To guideus a little bit more in this conversation,
we have the pleasure of talking withMiguelÁngel Pineda, Cup Masters in
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History students from the National University ofColombia and expert in University Edition Hello,
MiguelÁngel. It' s niceto have you with us Hello. Good
morning. Thank you very much forthe invitation and, well, a pleasure
to be part of this podcast anda greeting to all the audiences who listen
to us to understand a little morethis relationship between academia and artificial intelligence.
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You could explain these concepts to us. Yeah, well, artificial intelligence.
Let' s say there are manydefinitions and there are ways to assume it
and understand it, but let's say that, in general, what
we could understand today is that theyare technologies that are ready for human beings
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in order to achieve support or support, a help in different scenarios, productive,
generative of knowledge. That is whythere are different language models, there
are different behavioral models and artificial intelligencegeneration that are based on a large amount
of database that learns that intelligence toconfigure certain knowledge, certain products or that
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generates certain content in specific. Thenthey are based on a generative, automated,
trained, generative sense that, therefore, is left to the person who
consults artificial intelligence in different topics thatare asked to artificial intelligence. An artificial
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intelligence can generate an image, itcan generate a video, it can generate
a text, different products that wecan indicate that intelligence so that we can
how you do in your data training, generate a product or a specific response.
So that' s like the mostbasic definition we can understand of artificial
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intelligence. And just one of theareas that is getting the most impact from
these generational or automated technologies is education. I believe that there are some very
interesting reconfigurations of certain educational practices,professional pedagogical practices that are telling teachers,
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students, the whole value chain ofeducation, that things are changing, in
the way that knowledge is being producedand disseminated. Today, then, these
artificial intelligences come to support precisely educationalprocesses and that I believe that today,
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for education, is a great opportunitybeyond a risk or a prevention that we
should have that there are, ofcourse, like any other technology. But
I believe that nowadays, these generationaltechnologies, based on large amounts of data
for what they are today is tobe able to support pedagogical training processes and
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I think there is a lot tosay and a lot that they explore in
those connections between academy and artificial intelligence. Michelangelo that also how machine learning systems
and algorithmic models can improve the productivityand quality of research in a professional or
educational environment. Yes, more orless something I mentioned before and I think
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machine learning systems that help people whoapproach technologies and who use these kinds of
systems is just organizing a series ofdata to train a technological tool that is
based on a series of algorithms,a series of codes and specific programming that
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receives that amount of data and processesthem to interpret a response that is very
close to what we asked for.I think that, in that sense,
artificial intelligence, because it improves productivitybecause they make it more agile, a
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consulted and much more specific, muchricher, depending on the amount of data
that the intelligence has that adopted intelligence, not much more punctual, if you
want, because well, for example, Google is an artificial intelligence that I
have lived with us for many years. Not because, of course, it
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' s automated technology that you consultthe portal and the portal gives you five
hundred thirty- eight thousand results accordingto what you asked. But let'
s say that, unlike Google,artifical intelligence, trained learning systems, and
algorithmic language learning models are more specificand focused on the amount of data you
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have provided. That intelligence so thatshe interoperates that information and generates a series
of concrete answers. No, thenI feel that if productivity improves because,
as I tell you today, wecan already do a direct consultation, as
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I need to generate an image withthese specific specifications and it generates it to
you because it is already interpreting somethingmuch more elaborate, much more specific and
gives you a very close answer towhat is expected. Then let' s
say times. Now that is somethingthat already facilitates the processes. Time,
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above all to be precise and tobe the most agile today in society,
because we can give greater and moreprompt answers to the questions of life and,
for example, models of language,algorithmic as chad Gi Piti, which
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is one of many examples, isprecisely designed to generate that kind of immediate
response that allows us to base ourselvesand from there to build new knowledge,
because, of course, artificial incligencehas given us its knowledge according to what
we have given it of supply forthe one who trains. He' s
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practically giving us the answer we want, but it' s in us to
say good. Chadjipit helped me,but this is a starting point for producing
something much more powerful, richer.So, in that sense, that'
s where the researcher, the teacher, the teacher, the student or the
university editor or the librarian would haveto think about the quality of the research,
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because of course I had an intelligencethat used me. For everything it
helped me, but I am theone who, somehow yes or yes,
must give the quality to the investigation, recognizing that I made use of an
artificial intelligence that helped me. Soyes, you can talk about quality based
on artificial intelligence, but always throughthe mediation of the human being, in
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his critical concept, in his argumentativeapparatus, that artificial intelligence is always a
starting point, a support and notthe essence of the quality of the research.
Miguel and for those people you mentionedearlier, for example, a student,
a teacher or perhaps a librarian oran editor, what ethical or legal
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challenges should this person use when makinguse of artificial intelligence in any research that
is being conducted? If we saythat as the most important thing at this
point is that there is the mediationbetween technology, data and in half.
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I' d put the investigator,the human being. It is very important
because, of course, artificial intelligencecan generate a knowledge, a response that
we hope will help us, butit is not always accurate. We cannot
trust at all that artificial intelligence willsupply everything, all the knowledge or all
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the production processes of a knowledge.So what are the risks, as in
that sense, since inaccuracy, lackof academic integrity. I think that is
also a very important problem, becauseof course, students, teachers, well
different actors in the value chain ofeducation, are at risk of falling into
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certain simplistic and reductionist activities. Andthat, in some way, could lead
to us not respecting other people's current intellectual property. Or we are
not even respecting ourselves, because weare relying on our knowledge to a technology
that, if we fully assume itand say this is and there is nothing
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else to say, this is theperfect knowledge and we do not question it.
I believe that we are being,as disrespectful and there are ethical principles
of respect, fairness, justice,integrity and the good name of prestige,
but also of the quality of whatwe were talking about, of the last
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question, of academic quality. Itwould be at risk if we did not
think judiciously of instruments that would helpus to care for knowledge, to preserve
it, to do so, togerminate with great quality, with great awareness.
So I think that like the bigchallenges in this regard, ah well,
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another big problem would be digital gaps. Not today, many people could
be trained in the use of artificialintelligences and it' s a very practical
thing. Nor is it so difficult, but for others it is difficult.
No. So let' s thinkabout distant populations, Colombia, the rural
world, the peasant world, ruraleducation, community education, let' s
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think that how they' re goingto use artificial intelligence will be that they
' re prepared. We can helpthem consciously and critically prepare for the use
of intelligences. Is the country readyfor that? What would be the program
or the course to carry out that? That' s not clear today.
And I think the digital divide isbig, because more and more people are
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going to know, at least incentrality, for example, Bogotá Me and
Cali Barranquilla, the main capitals ofthe country. It will have a population
that can be trained and can knowthe tools of aficionado intelligence or base its
work on artificial intelligence, but thatother people in the country, that other
citizens, have access to artificial intelligencesand, above all, how they will
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use them and if they will usethem responsibly. Then I think there is
a challenge beyond social ethics. Itseems to me, then, and already,
the current regulations, the current regulations, because currently the country has entered
into a new policy of regulating artificialintelligence thanks to the Ministry of Science and
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Technology. This policy is progressing,it is being known, but I think
it lacks much more development, muchmore socialization, much more knowledge and,
above all, much more involvement ofdifferent actors in society, because here we
are talking about a scenario between quotationmarks of privilege, which is education.
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But let us think, as Isay, of the day- to-
day world of people who require dailysupport in a technology that can facilitate or
propose a solution to something concrete,such as a text, a video,
an image, something generative that supportssome much richer process. So that is,
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as we say, like the bigones, the big difficulties, as
I see it as the big riskis that we do not respect that use
and that it is not a andthat it becomes irresponsible of its use,
because if we do not have controlbarriers, that knowledge is going to overcome
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the barrier and because we also runa little risk of knowing what human beings
did, what intelligence did and howwe want that new knowledge that is being
produced. Miguel and changing a littletopic in terms of your expertise in the
university edition, what are the maintrends in the publishing market related to artificial
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intelligence. Let' s say thatif today I think there are several tools
and in fact, the event thatI come to comment today on these microphones.
He is just going to dedicate himselfat a main conference and a specific
table to talking about the most importantand most useful tools for the dissemination of
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knowledge today and for the future.Not then do I think that today,
the university editor or academic editor islike at that breaking point, jumping towards
how to think profitable editorial projects thatare more agile, is much richer,
is much more dynamic from artificial intelligencesthat can provide support in knowing what are
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the markets that can attend, howcan generate a judicious and detailed database of
this type of content, who canget to whom we can sell it,
how can we communicate it concretely anddirectly, and that person click to download
it, to buy it, toread it well, for multiple uses.
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And that I think that the universityeditor today is en route to the idea
of assuming that his editorial project hasto be sold, it has to be
sustained, because if not, then, it will perish, that is to
say almost always. The custom isthat the university editor, in his mentality
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of being a funded entity, doesnot have to worry about how the products
they edit or the content they areproducing will come out. They didn'
t just pay me for this.I have money, for this I can
do it, but they stay halfway in the march to be able to
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take the next step, which isto spread that knowledge, divulge it,
communicate it to society. So Ithink artificial intelligence tools can build databases,
they can generate new flashy content togenerate advertising, it can profile niche readers,
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and I also think it can alsooptimize, as well as financial accounting
processes, how much it would costto sell a book at different prices,
with different discounts. And that canbe generated by artificial intelligence, because it
has the ability to program numbers textnumbers that allow the university editor, if
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he knows it, to train verywell how to make an editorial project profitable
and take care of the economic valuesof his production. So, I think
there' s a very big challenge. They are the artificial intelligences definitely a
tool to be able to find thereader again, because I think we have
lost it a little bit and thatis a relationship that is sometimes not cultivated
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very well in the university edition.So I think artificial intelligence can help the
university editor to re- emerge thatrelationship with her readers, make them more
dynamic, more direct, if youwant, because we will be able to
find information from many readers who areinterested in certain contents and we can already
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say ok with these contents, withthese interests, I can orient my editorial
catalogue towards there. Not then isit a great opportunity, as we have
been holding the perfect principle Miguel andtaking advantage that you are here in the
radio rosary microphones tell us about theevent opportunities of artificial intelligence in the production
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of knowledge and dissemination that will beheld within the framework of the Book fair
in Bogotá two thousand twenty- four, in which also a radio rosary will
make presence, where the main opportunitiesand challenges of artificial intelligences in the academic
ecosystem will be analyzed. What arethe main expectations you have in front of
the Good event. Yes, Specifically, the event is called the University Edition
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Forum. It is an event thathas been organized for many years by the
Association of University Publishers of Colombia ACEUCand that is this year the version is
precisely called academic intelligences and artificial intelligences. We will have guests from Spain,
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Brazil, Colombia, Peru. Manyeditors from the mainland region will come in
Mexico, Chile, Peru itself,Venezuela Good in Spain, or there will
also be many editors who will sharewith us in two days, that is,
18 April and 19 April, inthe afternoon days. They will share
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with us new experiences and the mostrecent topics being discussed about artificial intelligence in
the academic world. So let's say that the great expectation is first,
because, starting from the main conference, give as claritys and form different
actors, not only university or librarianeditors, or all those who are related
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to the scientific publication scenario, butin the amplitude. We want the professors
of the universities, of the professorsof the schools to go to that event
and find out that what is happeningin their field from artificial intelligences, which
is what is changing, which iswhat is mutating, and where this horizon
is going. So, that isa very general, very large conference that
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aims to be more informative, formative, critical about the challenges and opportunities and
tools of artificial intelligence in the scientificand pedagogical world. And now, we
will also have tables that talk aboutthe social, environmental and ethical impacts of
artificial intelligence in the academic world.Also on the same 18th of April we
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will have a table that will talkabout inclusive editing and accessibility in publications,
that is, how to think abouteditorial products or contents that are friendly and
respectful to communities with difficulties or disabilities, both visual, auditory and other types.
Then and how these products that aregenerated can also be supported or backed
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by artificial intelligence. I mean,I think that those excluded communities too,
those communities that we don' tpay much attention to, have a very,
very big opportunity with artificial intelligences today. If the human being cannot help
him in his past, it willbe that artificial intelligence can help people with
disabilities. It is a question thatleft how formulated and that I think the
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Bureau will discuss and already on thesecond day we will count on José Fernando
Tabares. It comes from Brazil,the guest country of the film this year,
that publisher that distributor of editorial content, and he will give us a
practical workshop talk on the use ofartificial intelligence in publishing production and the academic
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publishing market. So it' sgoing to be very cool, because we
' re going to see army,we' re going to do exercises,
we' re going to know theapplication of the main tools, how to
sell, how to produce, howto facilitate the editorial workflow, how to
do editorial marketing. So, that' s going to be very rich,
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because there we' re going tobe trained beyond the theoretical. We'
re going to put into practice theuse of artificial intelligence. And now to
close, we will have a tableon cultural economy and artificial intelligence, that
is, how the arts, creativity, the scientific world is turned to think
critically about the use of artificial intelligencesand how art also rents itself. Think
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of business models for the future basedon artificial intelligence. So, that'
s going to be very, verychevere, because we' re also going
to have people who are experts inmarketing what they' re going to tell
us. Well, these are tools, these are the risks, these are
the requirements to be able to thinkabout profitable cultural projects that are thought of
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based on new audiences and that arefrom audiences that are also using artificial intelligence.
So, that makes it very rich, because that reframes the scenario that
we think we' re starting froma point to a point B and I
don' t think there' san interdependencies between different points. Some things
we give them, some other thingswe receive. And I think artificial intelligence
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is changing those relationships. And finally, the event closes with a ceremony giving
the award to the university edition alifetime that this year the winner is Dr
Estela Valbuena García. She was editorof the Catholic University of Colombia and was
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treasurer for many years. She tookpart as the Board of Directors of ACEUC
and she, therefore, had avery important role in the association so that
the university publishing association would grow and, above all, keep as the accounts
the fine ones of an association thatwe know that in Colombia associations are difficult
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to maintain, They do not becomeextinct very quickly, but thanks to women
like her and talents like her,because today the association lives and continues to
give many things for society, likethis event that we invite them to participate
eighteen and nineteen April from two tosix and a half in the afternoon.
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And well, everyone is invited,because I think it is in everyone'
s interest to discuss in a critical, argumentative or knowledge of cause, but
also in a proactive way, theapplications of artificial intelligence in the academic world.
That' s right, Miguel,as you well said, it'
s a topic that matters to allof us then, as a last question,
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where we can find information in generalterms, where the event itself is
going to be that has set asidea pavilion of corperias. Yes, the
event is going to take place inthe great B Hall of corpheries. That
is a sector, a corner ofcorferias and there are, therefore, several
halls. Ours is going to bethe B in the afternoon hours of the
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18th and 19th of April, andall the information, all the complete programming,
can be found on the page ofthe film two thousand twenty- four
and there in the tab that saysprofessional days. There they are going to
find Forum of University Edition, academicintelligences and artificial intelligences. And there,
then, you can also purchase yourtickets to enter the forum and we also
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invite you to follow the social networksof ACEUC both on Instagram, Facebook,
on Linkedin. There' s alot of information. Every day we'
re publishing information and well, Ireally think the event is unmissable. It
is a very good offer accessible forall axis, for all. Really very
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guests and there we expect them perfect. Thanks to all the listeners of Podcast
Uere. We were talking with MiguelPineda about all these issues related to artificial
intelligence that, as our guest saidwell, is a topic that we all
need to know and that we allneed to know the specific characteristics of this
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tool. Thank you all for tuningin and we' ll be with more
until soon.