Baby, What's Going On with Justin Bieber?

This week Shauna and Olivia dish some celebrity goss and figure out their weekend plans - they are true multi-taskers! Then it's on to the main topic - What's happening with Justin Bieber? The singer, who became mega-famous at a very early age, recently posted a candid message to Instagram that said "Don't you think if I could have fixed myself I would have already?" The Junkies take a look back at the rocky road that Bieber has traveled since becoming a viral sensation in 2009. From his celebrity connections, including Diddy, to finding religion, his marriage to Hailey Baldwin, to his struggles with his health and the paparazzi, Justin has been through a lot. The Junkies then advise the seemingly exhausted Bieber to slow down, take some time out of the spotlight, and for the love of Vanilla Ice, to please not release that rap album he's been talking about. 

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Episode Transcript

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♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪

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- Hey, you found us.
We are the Pop Culture Junkies!
My name is Shauna.
- And I'm Olivia.
- Hi-eeeeee.
- What an intro.
Okay, I feel like it's been a while since we have just
like had a little key key, talked a little bit about,
you know, random pop culture things,

(00:25):
random things in our lives.
There's so much going on as we are yearning
for summer, I feel like celebrities are too.
So there's just some, something in the water right now
with these celebrities.
So I'm excited because I've been wanting to just like,
gav about, did you see the Katy Perry Orlando Bloom?
- Yes, it broke up.

(00:47):
- I wonder if they really did it.
So everyone's saying that they broke up
because I guess Orlando got the ick
after Katy going to space essentially
and the crash out that followed.
But then, so Jeff Bezos got married recently too
and some extravagant disgusting display of wealth.

(01:10):
- It was like ghost though.
It wasn't even like, oh, like I wish I could afford that.
Like they had the millennial gray carpet.
- It was not even like a pretty wedding
and Orlando Bloom was there along
with a lot of other shitty celebrities.
Did you see the invitation to the wedding?
- Oh, it's, all of it is tacky.
Like this poor wedding planner,

(01:32):
I hope they probably signed like an NDA, right?
So they probably don't ever have to reveal themselves
but like professionally, they should do everything
to distance themselves from it
because like they got made fun of so much.
I also just think that they're both super tacky people.
- Mm, 100%.
So it kind of works for them.

(01:53):
That invitation with all the butterflies
look like Clip Art, looks like someone made it in MS Paint
and just dragged and dropped little images of butterflies
into it.
It's so bad.
- We didn't even go Canva Pro for this one.
At least do Canva Pro.
They have so many templates sponsored as Canva.
- We have been known to love a Canva Temple.

(02:16):
- Oh, we love a Canva Temple.
- We're millennial women, what can we say?
- Graphic design is my passion.
I had a MySpace.
- I say that to my coworker who is like our creative director
and I always go, I had a MySpace and she loves me for it.
- I'm sure she loves you so much.

(02:39):
- She does.
- Sometimes.
- Let's see, but other celebrity BS has been going down
and the other breakups or crash-outs.
- So I did wanna say this.
Orlando Bloom at the beginning of his relationship
with Katie Perry also had a little secret trick
with Selena Gomez.

(03:00):
- What?
- It has been a very rare--
- I like not know this.
- Oh, Google, Selena and Orlando.
- Yeah, Selena and Orlando smoking SIG together.
Yeah, this was when she was in her party girl era.
- Okay, but if smoking is SIG with a man makes it,
means that you're in a relationship
that I am in a lot of relationships with drunk minute bars.

(03:21):
Maybe.
- No, they're like off to the side and like pop rotsy catch them
and they have like a kind of like three or four week
like moments where they were photographed together.
- It was a good flip.
- And then he started more like officially dating.
- Katie Perry.
- And so I always just think of that,
but right now they're all room-erring Sydney Sweeney.

(03:43):
- Who is also at that disgusting wedding?
- Yes, but they were saying that he was caught
like with her alone and I'm like, he has a type of so.
He likes the large chest.
- The jugulars.
- Yeah.
- Who can blame him?
- Who is the manga?
- He's a mommy milker.
- Milkies.

(04:04):
- Milkies.
- I've explained that to one of my coworkers
and she by Kate's before it.
- I love it.
You were talking about milkies at work.
- Yeah, we'll explain to the whole milkies saga to her.
And you know, if you subscribe to the Patreon,
maybe we'll tell you the milkies saga.
- There you go.
- But now Olivia has to go through a trading with HR.

(04:25):
- Yeah.
- She's technically in HR.
- She's technically in HR.
- And she's like, that's a little bit of a deal.
- I love milkies too.
- Speaking of milkies, Sydney Sweeney is definitely
a little mega adjacent though.
Didn't she have like a whole mega family?
They have like a mega birthday party
where they were all wearing like
country boots and red hats.

(04:48):
And it was like the theme of the party.
- That feels very on brand.
- For her.
- Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.
- Gross.
- Gross, gross, gross, gross.
- So Orlando, you and your giant penis.
- Oh, you, oh my god.
We did talk about his giant penis.
- Not for the podcast.
- Yeah, so we had to circle it back to that.

(05:10):
It all comes back to Orlando's giant penis.
Everything.
- I wish I'm well.
- I wish I'm well.
(laughing)
- I wish that thing well too.
- Speaking of giant penises,
did you see 28 years later yet?
- No, I've been traveling.
I've been in Napa for like a week for work.

(05:32):
- Oh, that's right.
- Forst things.
- That worst things could happen to me.
- Oh, done.
But I think I'm gonna try to go either tomorrow or Thursday night.
Unfortunately, my friend bailed on Kesha.
And I know I wouldn't bail.
- I wouldn't.
- I'm quite upset.
- No, I'm quite upset.
And so it's kind of far away.

(05:54):
And I'm like, well, I'm not gonna go by myself
to Kesha all the way to San Jose.
So now I have to find plans for this weekend last minute.
Probably end up just going to a closer show.
- My goal for the summer is to see as much live music as possible.
- Yes, and you're doing a great job already.
It feels like you're always at like shows
at the Goth Bar, Punk Bar,

(06:14):
some stuff, Jellys stuff.
- Yeah.
- I do like it.
I do like it.
- That's awesome.
I have three planned this year for sure.
So Kesha, this coming weekend,
and then I have Ghost in August,
and Nineage Nails in September.
So I got some good stuff lined up.
My big penis segue for 28 years later.

(06:38):
Going back to the big penis.
Not as spoiler, there is a zombie with a huge dog.
- Oh, yeah.
- What a gift.
- Yeah, it's like you feel kind of wrong, like being into it.
- There's still some hope in the end of times.
Look at this giant, giant dog.
Like he might be ready to rip your head off

(06:58):
with his bare hands and eat you,
but at least you get to look at a swinging dick
before it happens to you.
(laughing)
- You'd rather be killed by a zombie with a big dick, right?
- No, I don't wanna be killed by some tiny dick zombie.
- Yeah, that makes it worse.
- No. - You just gotta
- Just go a little,
little chowed down there.
- No, chowed with zombie.

(07:18):
- Yeah.
- No, it's, sorry producers.
- Yeah.
- But yes, you should watch it.
It was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
- I'm trying to.
- I almost went on Saturday, but I, okay.
On Friday, I went to,
and this was not paid for by me.
I just have to say this.
I went to a Michelin store restaurant

(07:40):
and did a wine tasting that was like paired with the food.
Oh my God, it was so amazing.
The meal was amazing.
It was like all those little bites
and it was like seven courses.
- Like they make in the bear.
- Yeah, I literally felt like I was in the bear.
The kitchen was so intense.
It was like a glass open kitchen,

(08:01):
so we could see everything.
- Yes, I feel like the Michelin store restaurant
I went to in New York.
They had like an open kitchen where you can watch
and you just hear them screaming at each other.
- And like one person is placing the leaf on the little tweezers.
- But it was like seven courses.
So there were seven big wine pours
and they were all different types of wine.

(08:22):
And oh my God, I was so drunk by the end of it.
(laughing)
I was also hitting my pen.
And then I had just worked.
I did like all of the AV setup.
Like we did it internally
and then I had two days of an event from nine to seven,
like each day I was like 13 hours.
And I go to this place that we were talking about.

(08:44):
- I just did drunk in a hot and full of delicious food.
- Yeah, yeah.
So that's what I did Saturday.
We had like Narabee and B with a pool.
And you know, I used to be like,
why are people in like the East Coast or the Midwest
like so obsessed with pools?
Because we, I was spoiled.
Like I lived in Texas and I lived in--

(09:06):
- Yeah, Phoenix.
- There's pools everywhere.
- It's just pools all the time.
And now that I don't have access to a pool,
it's quite literally like 55 degrees today and no sun.
I'm like, oh, 55 degrees.
- It's like 116 in Phoenix today.
- I know.
- It's a restructuring.
- Just like, oh my god,
Andrew and I got back from California this weekend.

(09:28):
And we had to, we took a rental car
and then we were like dragging our baggage
across the street to get to the Waymo.
And the minute we got home,
we both like jumped into the pool,
like stripped off when Narabee thinks it's just so hot and sweaty.
- Yeah.
- Speaking of jumping in the pool,
people think that they don't do on the next show

(09:50):
I've been obsessed with.
Do you watch Love Island?
- No, I do not.
You know my feelings about reality dating,
but I know enough.
- I know enough.
- It's so, this show has so many episodes.
It's insane.
Like I am, I'm on episode like 15 and I am so far behind
and they're each like an hour long.

(10:13):
I think last season have 36 episodes.
That is 36 hours of two-
- Really?
- Date, I think it comes out like three or four days a week.
I can't keep up.
It's so good and so terrible.
And I really enjoy it when I can just,

(10:33):
it's so stupid, but you know,
it's that like you need something
and just turn your brain off and just,
I don't wanna think about the horrors.
I just wanna watch Jackie television
and really good looking people in bathing suits.
Break each other's eyes.
- I'm a mummy, mama see that.
- Yeah, 'cause I'm a mummy.
- A mummy?
- Mummy see that.

(10:53):
- I'm a see that.
I kept doing that every time one of my coworkers
would use like the company card to pay
for something for me and go,
"Mama see that."
- Mama see that.
- I'm a mom.
- I'm a mom of a dog.
I have a daughter.
I have a real human child.
- I also love that.
Cute.
That's my dream day.
- Oh my God.

(11:15):
- I can't stop reposting those memes
'cause it's so dumb.
There's no way in the context of this show
that he would have known what her dream,
like he doesn't know what date he's going on.
That he just gets thrown into a situation.
So the producers were like,
all right, you're taking this bitch to a beach

(11:35):
and then they come back and she's like,
you sat in the beach?
Cute.
He knows that's my dream date.
- He had no control over it.
- That's my dream date.
And he knows that.
- Yeah, she knows that.
- She was crashing out pretty hard.
- Oh, she's, oh my God.
It is a hood of her, okay, and a love island.
She's so beautiful and insane.

(11:55):
- She's gonna tone back the eyelash extensions.
- The eyelashes are a little intense,
but besides that.
- Yeah, I know what you're crashing out.
- I know enough.
I know enough.
I see the big moments.
I'm also like, there's no fucking way.
I also can't do that with big brother.
- Oh my God.
- Just mom and I used to watch that.
But now they have the live streaming cameras.

(12:18):
- That's true, they didn't have it back when we did that.
- You can watch those all day
and then the show's very different.
If you don't watch the live stream or anything like that.
- You're like missing actual information.
- Yeah, that's insane.
- But speaking of crash outs,
I think we need to talk about the crash out
of this summer season.

(12:39):
- I agree.
So after the break,
we are gonna talk about what on earth is going down
with Justin Bieber.
(dramatic music)
- See, Shanna, you're not getting it.
It's not clocking to you.
It's not clocking to you that I'm just standing on business.
Okay, I'm here to talk about what is happening

(13:03):
with Justin Bieber.
- Dan.
(laughing)
- That's like his quote.
- That was pretty pretty.
- That was awful.
- Going super viral.
- Yeah.
- And wonderful.
- Yeah, well.
- Okay, now you can go.
- Pop culture and celebrities go together
like two things that go together really well.
Peanut butter and jelly, a Trump and fascism.

(13:25):
You know, things like that.
It's hard to talk about music and movies and such
without talking about the people who create that content.
And some of those content creators achieve a level of fame
that can be really rewarding or really problematic.
So when Justin Bieber posted a candid message
to Instagram earlier, don't you think

(13:46):
if I could have fixed myself I would have?
It felt a little less like a pop star venting
and more like a breaking point for him.
We felt what Bieber was saying.
You know, he's exhausted and yet it was also
depressingly predictable because his unraveling
has been playing out for years.
It's just that the public, the press and the fans

(14:08):
are only now beginning to admit
what we've always known, always seen.
And that is that he was never going to escape
the curse of childhood fame.
So let's take a look at what's going on
with Justin Bieber.
- So we've talked about Justin Bieber, his life.
I mean, he has been such a mega pop star

(14:29):
with in the zeitgeist.
I feel like I was like one or two years too old
to be like a Bieber.
- A Bieber.
- Yeah, a Bieber and then be like,
oh my god, I want to kiss that little boy.
- Oh god.
- Someone's going to clip that
and that's just going to be his sound.
- Yeah, I want to kiss that little boy.

(14:50):
I don't want to kiss that little boy.
I was two years too old.
- No, I wasn't a believer either.
It was never my kind of music.
- And he has definitely had a very hard life.
We talked about those different phases
and things that have happened to him.
Most recently, I think if we zoom out

(15:10):
from what's been going on in the last couple of weeks,
he has perpetually been in this.
I'm touring, I'm canceling my tour
because of health reasons.
He's done that a few times.
He just sold his masters kind of two or three years ago.
His entire catalog.

(15:31):
And so he just had a baby with Haley Bieber
and people were like, okay, this could be
like a really good next step for him.
He's taking a step back from music.
He said, hey, I'm not going to tour.
I'm not going to really do music right now.
And I'm just going to focus on my family.
And people are like, okay, great.
And they had a happy, healthy baby.

(15:52):
Things were looking great.
And then about a month or so, maybe two months ago,
Haley Bieber gets kind of first of many amazing opportunities,
which is ultimately a bog cover.
- Oh my God, this is gorgeous cover.
So mean.
And didn't he, he tweeted something along the line,

(16:12):
or not tweeted.
- No way, I posted a cover with a Instagram.
- Yeah.
- My own long.
- It said, I was really mean to Haley once.
And I told her that she would never get on the cover of Vogue.
Who says that to your wife who's a model?
Like that is her professional career.
And probably something that she's absolutely working towards.

(16:34):
So definitely like a hint that things were kind of rocky
in their marriage for sure.
- Yeah, so we post this Vogue thing.
And it's like, okay, yeah, I told Haley
she would never get a cover like way to prove me wrong.
And people are notoriously like hate Haley Bieber, right?

(16:54):
- Yeah.
- We've always been on the right side of this,
where we always say like what Haley Bieber is just a girl
who married a pop star that everyone loves.
- I do think that she stalked him a little heart,
but you know what, also she made her dreams come true.
- Yes. - Yes, there you go.
- If I could just stalk a celebrity
that I wanted to marry and then end up marrying him.

(17:16):
- Yeah.
- Just do it.
- You definitely did like follow around some band,
maybe just like not at the scale that you wanted it to be.
- Yeah.
- You didn't dream high enough.
- I didn't dream high enough to marry somebody from AFI.
I just went to their shows a lot.
- Yeah, exactly.
- Yeah.
- I've slid in the Rahul Koli's DMs a lot,

(17:38):
but I don't think it's gonna work.
- Yeah, it's gonna happen.
- So it never bought into this Haley hate train,
but that Haley hate train has been the way since
before they even got married, right?
It's been in like a solid 10 years.
- Yeah, I think it's a lot of salinators or salinators.
- Salinators. - Salinators.
- How do you pronounce their salinators?

(17:59):
- Salinators. - I like salinators.
I'm gonna go with that instead.
- That sounds like senators.
I hate that.
- Or like salamanders.
- No.
- Like a salamander. - Salamander.
- A salamander who is a senator.
Like he's got like a little tie on.
- Okay, well now you're just going Q and on.
'Cause that's like a lizard person.
(laughing)
So all of the salinators I definitely think.

(18:19):
- I was seeing a Gomez's fans are lizard people
who want to go to the government.
- There's a little salamanders,
a tiny tie is on who listened to salinators go mad.
- Salinators. - Salinators.
(laughing)
- I vote for it. - I'm voting for it.
I'm down.
- I'm down. - Okay.
- Okay, she's ready.
- I think that they definitely kind of added on

(18:41):
and piled onto the Haley Hate because they were,
you know, Salinators is Haley.
We can't possibly imagine that a couple broke up
and then they both moved on.
We have to always, you know, Salin is always
gonna be mad and hate Haley Bieber.
When they both kind of back and forth
had a little nitpicks and like little bitching moments

(19:02):
at each other, but like for the most part,
these women have like publicly stated
that they want everyone to stop bothering the other one.
They've been photographed together,
comments it on each other's stuff,
liked each other's stuff.
Anyway, I wanna go back a little bit in Justin's career.
He first became famous in 2009.
So yeah, I was in college, definitely kind of like past

(19:24):
my Justin Bieber window, but he,
what like viral singing on YouTube, I believe.
- Yep.
- Just had the cutest sweetest little voice.
He had a music video and song Baby Come Out.
He became a global teen idol discovered by Usher.
Super famous at the time.

(19:44):
So he kind of grew up, you know, being this cute see-all
remember is Justin Bieber, Erica,
little shaggy thing, cute, talented.
Definitely overly sexualized by the media.
There's so many clips of him like a young kid
and just people asking him if he has a girlfriend,
like older female celebrities trying to kiss him

(20:07):
on the mouth, like talking to him about things
that he doesn't need to be talking about as a child.
You know, say, you know, once we get to the,
the diddy of it all later in the episode,
he definitely went to some ditty parties
and was like offered alcohol and I'm sure drugs
at a young age.
So thanks for all of that adults.
Thanks for protecting the kids.

(20:27):
Great job.
So 2011 to 2014, a series of incidents kind of began
to tarnish his image.
As you said, racial slurs in some leaked videos,
he had legal issues including a dy,
he, egg,
- He did the neighbors house.
- He was about to see that.
- He had a good house.
- Ah, stupid.
And then he made some controversial comments

(20:49):
during a visit to the Anne Frank house.
So definitely no excuses for that
or for using racial slurs.
I think that a,
egging a neighbor's house can probably be chalked up to
just being a shitty teenager.
- Yeah.
And the order, the order that that happened in
was a little, a little different.
He started egging the house and people freaked out on him

(21:10):
and then every single thing after that
did become like this, this giant deal.
And I think one of the,
the earliest things in Justin Bieber's career
is like he never had privacy after a baby.
And it's always really bothered him.
Like we've seen him through so many different faces

(21:31):
in his life, which is sad.
Like to have that happen to you is a,
is a, like as a trauma you can never know.
Like to just never be alone.
- Yeah, it's just growing up in front of the camera.
Literally, yeah, never being alone,
having adults dictate your every move
and stalk you and make you grow faster than you need to.

(21:55):
Like I, it's, I can't imagine, but it was like for him.
I remember he like peed off of a neighbor's balcony
or peed off his balcony or into a bucket
and everyone was like, oh my god.
Hey, took this.
I don't know.
- Yes.
And over time, like things did start to get much more extreme.
Like they started silly and they started goofy.

(22:16):
But then over time they moved in to more severe.
- Yeah.
- This kind of was continuously escalating
until he entered this church era.
- Oh god.
- He stood kind of in.
I feel like he's moving out of it now
with everything that's been going on.
But he joined a very famous celebrity church
called Hillsong.

(22:37):
He started hanging out with Carl, the pastor.
Chris Pratt goes there too, right?
Chris Pratt, Haley Bieber, Kendall Jenner.
- It is a famously.
- All of those people.
Like anti LGBTQ church.
They believe in conversion therapy.
It's not a cool place.
- It's very mega churchy, very good.

(22:59):
- Yeah.
- But ultimately, you know, to give them some credit here,
they did help him really kind of get off
of this terrible trajectory.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- It's not going to be the experience
of everyone going to that church.
Often times it's not the experience of everyone.
There's a really good documentary about Hillsong

(23:21):
on FX that you should check out if you remember it.
- Sure. - It's a rest day.
But it really goes into the history of the church,
kind of the background.
And there's, it's of course a heavy chop-air
because it's about high control.
But he goes to this church and ultimately,
this is kind of where Selena goes as well
when him and Selena are dating.

(23:41):
He is within that church as well.
See, I'm not anti-churched by any means.
If you can go to a church and you can get something out of it
and become a better person, get your life, you know,
grab yourself up off the ground and like,
you know, put yourself back together
and you can credit a church community
that was there for you.
Amazing, you know, good for you.
So he, yeah, went with Selena Gomez

(24:03):
and we've talked about his relationship with Selena
a lot on the show.
And you introduced me to that video
of the two of them like scoring drugs in an alleyway together.
Yep.
On Skid Row, right?
Yes.
Which is so crazy.
So the two of them started this church life together.
But Selena also was, you know, child star,

(24:25):
Disney channel darling, who had to grow up in front of the cameras.
You know, we see it a million times over
with child stars and child celebrities who try to grow up.
And yeah, they both, you know, kind of turn to drugs.
I think Selena Gomez's situation with drugs is so interesting
because it's never been like something
that she's publicly commented on.

(24:46):
It's always something that's like allegedly, you know what I mean?
Even though it's pretty obvious.
But it wasn't, you know, like, Lindsay Lohan's crash out
where she was getting DUIs and photographed.
And it was very clear that she's using drugs.
They're like Amanda Bines, you know?
Yeah.
For Selena, it's just kind of like, we all kind of go, hmm, we know.

(25:08):
We know, girl.
It's okay.
Totally.
We were exhausted.
We pulled out the old exhaustion every half.
Yeah, I went to rehab because I was eapies.
And we've seen kind of that, that is a through line of kind of,
hey, is there, you know, some sort of substance?

(25:30):
Is it mental health?
Like, can we see this kind of a lot with child stars?
We've talked about it a bit more as well.
But, you know, kind of once he joins a whole song,
him and Haley get married, he has these kind of like,
intermittent phases, but really nothing like we've started to see today.
Yeah, not at all.

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He revealed that he had Lyme disease in 2020,
which kind of explained some health issues
that he was experiencing.
He, it went public and talked about his struggles with mental health,
with fame, with some drug use, his adderol dependency.
So he's really trying to, you know, be open about it with the public
and like kind of work through it.

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Like you said, he married Haley with a civil ceremony at a large one in 2019.
He was also diagnosed with Ramsey Hunt syndrome,
which led to facial paralysis in the cancellation of an entire tour in 2020.
Yeah.
I remember that video. It was crazy.
I was like, oh yeah.
Yeah. That shit's like scary.
Like you think you have like several palsy or like Bell's palsy or something

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and just drew your face.
Have your face just stops working?
No.
Yeah. No.
If anybody listening has gone through that,
like that sounds horrifying and,
Ugh.
Bless you.
So he welcomed his son Jack Blues with Haley in August 2024,
describing him as their miracle baby.

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And young, we all, we thought that that was going to kind of be a,
he's a grown up now.
He's covered in tattoos.
He's got a supermodel wife who he's shown in public kind of publicly
distating, but you know what?
That's, yeah. And so we talked a little bit about the Vogue cover.

(27:18):
So the Vogue cover was the early whisperings of all of the women
who were previously hating on her going,
wait, maybe Haley shouldn't be with Justin,
not because he belongs with Selena, but because he's treating her badly.
So this is kind of like the early murmurs.

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And then Haley announces that she sold road beauty for $1 billion, right?
I think so. Yeah.
Yeah. So she sold road for $1 billion to Elf cosmetics,
or to Elf, the brand.
It's kind of like a big umbrella.
I love Elf.
My favorite eyeliner.

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So this starts on the internet.
A bunch of people saying Haley Bieber should leave Justin Bieber.
Yes.
And it ultimately starts, I mean, Justin is chronically online.
There's some of the most iconic Twitter beefs and like Instagram
beefs with Justin Bieber because he's just chronically online.
He's a youngster. He's online.

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He wants to post.
He wants to take Instagram pics.
He wants to have cryptic captions.
We stan it.
Yes. And so cryptic posts start popping up from Justin Bieber.
And ultimately he posts shortly after everyone is saying
girl leave him dump him.
He posts an Instagram story.

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And then I think he also puts it on his grid where he's tired
of transactional relationships.
Yes.
And people telling him there's more work to do.
If I have to do something to be loved, that's not love.
And express frustration over expectations placed on him.
And this triggered the women of the internet

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because we have all dated a man who has acted this way.
Literally.
And I think this is a very important point that we want to make.
Like pop culture and celebrities and their situations
and how they make you feel are almost always a mirror.
So like again, we don't know these people,
but they are very interesting to consider in the macro of like how

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how is everyone kind of responding to this?
But it heated up from there.
He posted like a million of these things very weird.
And it was always just like one piece of his face.
Like it'd be like a nostril and eyebrow.
Yeah.
Very like zoomed in photos, talking about forgiveness and flaws

(29:47):
and just exhaustion over trying to meet people's standards.
Yeah.
He got into a paparazzi confrontation in June, 2025.
Having a tense exchange with paparazzi outside of his so-how house.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Outside of so-how house.
Not is so-how house in Malibu.
Accused the photographers at provoking him

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and worried that the footage would be taken out of context,
saying it's not registering to you that I'm standing on business.
Is it, which is what you were saying in the beginning.
And you're provoking me.
You're going to take the video out of context like you always do.
It escalated further with him using exploatives
and questioning the motives of paparazzi.
I mean, paparazzi can fuck all the way off anyway.

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Like I can't even imagine.
I'm a girl who loves to have my picture taken to.
Listen.
I love a camera.
But to be just stalked and followed like that.
Legal.
Just, yes, it's legal.
And people die over this.
Like being chased by the paparazzi.
I can't even imagine how frustrating that would be.

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So there's a lot of celebrities who
have videos of rough interactions with paparazzi
and are always like, oh my god, are they going through it?
No, I'd have a rough interaction too.
Yeah, I do think that Justin Bieber got Britney Spears level
paparazzi like harassment and being followed.
And then also because he is a reactive person,

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like they wouldn't antagonize him.
So they have taken videos out of context.
It's a little bit about it when he was like a young kid
and everyone was like, he pissed in a bucket.
Like people always kind of taken.
He's easy to stoke into a fight.
And so they do it a lot.
And then, you know, whenever you're going through something
that your anger isn't always easily controlled

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or just mood in general and then someone's falling
in around with a camera.
And then you're being caught on camera.
I'm sure that I've had, you know,
crash out moments we all have where you're like,
thank god no one caught that on video.
Not in good news.
Not my finest hour.
I'm going to think about that.
Yeah, like your like caught on video is just you thinking about it
for the like days and days and days.

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Yeah, when you're laying in bed,
just like that was so embarrassing.
Yeah, right.
It's the video of our minds.
Yeah, it stays for that forever.
Yeah.
And so this has been turned into a meme.
And the meme is really funny or like a re-hearing like video
gets standing on business.
But yeah, you don't get it.

(32:16):
I'm standing on business.
And now he's kind of like tongue and cheek playing with it.
Yeah.
But ultimately, I mean, when it before like all the
a lot of this stuff started happening, like,
or I guess like shortly after the vote cover, like,
Hailey was seen out like not wearing her ring as well.
And so there there are kind of these these things.

(32:38):
Right after this, Justin Bieber changed his like,
right after the I'm standing on business,
changed his Instagram name from Justin Bieber to Lil Bieber.
Oh, god.
And pictures of Jack,
Hailey as well as he keeps posting like these weird
prototypes of his brand Skylar.

(32:59):
Isn't that a character from fairly odd parents?
Maybe.
But Rick Stassler, something.
He printed weird stuff.
Like, I don't know what what he's doing over there.
And we're thinking maybe this little
Bieber might be a rapper era incoming.
I will say that Justin Bieber has been a a a heavy user of

(33:19):
an accent and lingo that is not fitting of black and
color. A black accent.
He's given he gives Justin Timber like black sense a lot.
So she's she's she's she's oh, I forgot about that.
Yeah. If you're not black, don't use black sense.

(33:40):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I want Justin Bieber to take
like a true 10 year break. I think that it would be good for him.
Absolutely. Get away from the spotlight.
His be a dad.

(34:01):
His wife is now about to be a billionaire.
I mean, they don't give you a billion dollars.
Just here you go.
But you know, there is no reason like you sold your back catalog.
If Hailey stays with you, which you probably will because
super Christian, you guys have enough money to
live within the current celebrity lifestyle that you do.

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Not have you have to try to be famous and just like go super in cognito.
I totally agree. You can go underground.
You can pull an Olsen twins.
Yes. That's what I want for him.
So much exactly. Exactly.
Marricade and Ashley Olsen.
Yes. We know they're still ultra famous and so fucking rich.

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And they'll come out of the woodworks every once in a while.
They'll show up somewhere.
But for the most part, those girls are off grid and just living.
They're just designing the row.
They're making so much money off their
seven dollar t-shirt.
Let them live.
And they were child celebrities and they went,
you know what?
We're just going to go into the sunset with our money for a little while.

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Yeah, they made so much money.
Let's take a quick break and then I do want to talk about
an unfortunate connection to P. Diddy.
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So an old clip of P. Diddy and Justin Bieber
resurfaced online in the wake of all the Diddy allegations

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whereby the two discuss spending a quote "crazy 48 hours" together.
To the camera Diddy says quote, "He's having 48 hours with Diddy."
Where we hangin' out and we're doing what we're doing,
we can't really disclose.
But it's definitely a 15 year old's dream.

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I have been given custody of him.
He signed a usher when he did his first album.
I don't really have legal guardianship of him.
But for the next 48 hours, he's with me and we're going to go buck full crazy.
A 15 year old's dream hanging out with Diddy sounds like

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everybody just cringed when I said that.
Yeah.
Justin Bieber was discovered by usher, like I said.
But then he definitely usher and P. Diddy had some crossover if I'm not mistaken, right?
Yes.
Fill me in here, Livy.
Yeah.
So what Justin went to is what P. Diddy himself, now I guess a brother love is his new stage name,

(36:38):
going as a new stage name.
He's in shale. No, he did this in like 2022 when he knew things were about to come out about him.
So he renamed himself again.
But okay, so he called this Puffs Flavor Camp,
which was whenever usher was becoming famous, usher like lived with P. Diddy for at least

(37:01):
a summer, maybe almost a year.
And every single night they were doing what he, they've been talking about at the P. Diddy trial.
They're having orgies, they were doing freak off, they were doing this stuff with the baby oil,
it was weird.
Usher has done a interview with Howard Stern talking about Flavor Camp and how he was like 15,

(37:22):
he would go hide himself in the studio and just like barricade himself in there because like he'd
be 15 and like all these women were trying to like bring him out into a win as a 15 year old as well.
Yeah.
Usher like lived with him and like there's some weird clips about
like P. Diddy talking about waking up in bed with usher in the morning and eating like cereal and

(37:44):
bed together and even Kevin Hart like diddies all drunk or whatever and Kevin Hart is like looking
at P. Diddy like did you say that like live recorded like that's that was weird dude and usher just
like laughs it off.
So but then usher takes Justin Bieber to P. Diddy and after that clip every single time like

(38:07):
Justin Bieber is around P. Diddy like the vibes are off it's weird he feels odd around him
and yeah it's scary.
Yeah it is strange.
Other resurfaced clips show Diddy handing Justin a bottle on his birthday
which he kneels down to drink as a woman explains you know happy birthday Justin when he's

(38:28):
definitely not old enough to be drinking.
There is an old episode of Keeping Up the Kardashians where Chloe talks about going to parties
with Diddy and Justin Bieber and she says and I quote I got on a plane at 5.30 a.m.
Well this party I think half the people there were but naked.
Yeah there were a bunch of friends and they were there naked and partying including

(38:51):
Diddy, Quincy and Justin Bieber.
What's Quincy is his son?
Oh dude like and Justin Bieber is in 2014 still definitely a minor.
I don't know how old Quincy was in 2014 either but Quincy is technically like his stepson so

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it's like one degree separated but still kind of broke.
Yeah yeah.
It ain't yes to all.
So Justin Bieber's team has come out in the recent years and said you know Justin does not claim
to be a victim of P. Diddy.
Yeah but they definitely stand with people who were and you know belief survivors things like

(39:33):
that but Justin himself hasn't said anything like yes this is what went down but just there's a lot
of evidence there that things that were very inappropriate between a grown man and a 15 year old
were going down.
Yeah it's interesting because when you think about a child star like you always say like these
like crazy things happen to them and it is wild to know like exactly how depraved like someone

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who was your mentor and teaching you how to live in Hollywood would be doing those things.
Exactly.
The point that you can prove them in like a court of law like they're being put into
public records and things like that so it is it is kind of crazy you know that's a great point
with the Diddy stuff I've thought about it but you know that is kind of going concurrently and

(40:21):
whenever Diddy first got formally charged people were very curious like what is Justin going to
do he made a statement saying you know he doesn't seem self as a victim and he'd like to like people
to respect his privacy.
Yeah but you know that is a kind of a layer on on top of what they need or what's going on for him.
Exactly another trauma layer another just layer of it's not good you know and you know good on him

(40:47):
for saying like let's focus on people who actually were victims or like are ready to express that
yeah or exactly because who knows but who are ready to come out and express that and not all survivors
come out and are like you know talking you know comfortable speaking publicly about things like that.
I don't know I guess to sum up our our Justin Bieberness of it all I like you said I hope he kind of

(41:13):
fades from the spotlight and takes a much needed break in him and Hayley just can kind of I don't
know be parents for a while.
A little sugar baby Bieber.
A little baby.
A little Bieber sugar baby.
And be nice to Hayley.
Yeah hold the door for your wife man.
He does skate forward away from her.

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Yeah maybe he don't worry about a gray hoodie with the you know like the bottle.
All the thing.
Yeah but no it's like the butthole like pulled like Kenny from South Park.
Yeah which is just a little face hole.

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It's giving Kenny.
Yeah it's giving Kenny.
If your wife is dressed up nice dress up nice with her.
If it's a launch of your wife's brand.
Yes.
A normal shirt.
Yeah.
Support your wife's career and endeavors.
If she don't say things about father's day being stupid or mother's day being stupid on
Instagram on mother's day.

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Okay but what do you think if Justin does not follow our advice and releases this rap
album like what are you giving?
Oh god.
What are you giving this mixtape one out of ten?
Oh a negative 12.
Okay you think it's going to be that bad?

(42:37):
Oh no it's going to be awful.
It's going to be awful.
Do you have hope for this?
Do you have hope for Justin Bieber's rap girl?
A negative maybe like a two but I don't know.
I feel like it's going to give vanilla ice.
Oh.
Markey Mark.
I don't know.
Absolutely one hit wonder.
A little white boy trying to rap who grew up in Canada and I in it.

(43:02):
I can't.
I'm begging for Skrillex and Bieber to like reunite make me another where are you now?
Oh I love that song.
That would heal me.
Those I'm totally I forgot the name of like their little duo.
Jacky.
Yes I loved Jacky.
That's the only time that I was like I'm going to put a Bieber song in my playlist.

(43:26):
Too late now to say sorry.
Jacky was Diplo and Skrillex which they did make a lot of Justin Bieber songs which they
were great.
They were great.
They were great.
I love that era of Justin Bieber.
Listen to that.
It was by the pool.
Yeah.
I.
Yeah.
I also think I mean it sucks the way that the music industry is now where you really won't

(43:50):
make any money unless you tour.
Yeah.
I just think that like you know not not in the cards for him right now.
Mentally physically this boy does not I keep calling him a boy he's a grown man.
Yeah.
He does not need to be like he is a grown-ass man.
Yeah and like it's I mean I couldn't tour I travel like 12 times a year for work and it's

(44:12):
not going to be home in my every day.
You know sleeping my bed.
Yeah.
And I'm a sleepy girl so yeah I do think that making music like just doesn't make sense
right now but you can come back and make a crazy crazy like come back.
Just a good dance pop album.
It was five years.
Five years.

(44:33):
Yeah.
Go make people miss you.
Not be hyper critical and overlay critical of you like it is a playbook in in Hollywood
as old as time.
Yes.
But yeah we wish we wish him well.
We wish you well.
We remember that celebrities and pop cultures ultimately am here.

(44:54):
So if you were violently upset at Justin Bieber for being mean to his wife maybe we take a
look at our husband.
Hey that's deep that's deep.
I think that's what I should be mean to their wife.
No one should be mean to their spouse but no I agree.
I wish him well.
Let's all remember that celebrities are people too.

(45:15):
Until they are publicly racist or rapists or yeah then we can then they can eat shit.
That's a that's a good stuff.
I think that's a good closer right there.
Yeah.
I think that is it for the pop culture Juggie podcast this week.
Olivia how can all of the believers out there find you on social media.

(45:38):
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