August 3, 2023 • 56 mins
Hi Barbies! This episode, The Junkies talk about the Barbenheimer phenomenon, even though only one of them managed to make it happen (so far). Shauna remembers her Weird Barbie doll, and her propensity to leave them in compromising positions, while Nicole confesses she was more of a Polly Pocket fan. Also, Olivia has some American Girl dolls for sale, so if you’re interested, send a message, but don’t even try to get Shauna to give up her Beanie Babies. Next, The Junkies talk about the Barbie movie as a cultural phenomenon, and all the positive and negative reactions to a pretty great movie about a pretty great doll.
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[Music]
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Welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie Podcast. I'm Olivia, here with my fellow
Junkies. Nicole. And Shauna. Awesome. Well Nicole, Shauna really wanted to pick your
brains. How did you guys enjoy Barbenheimer Weekend? Yes, hi Barbie. Hi
Barbie. Barbinheimer Weekend was iconic. I saw Oppenheimer
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first on Friday. Because you hate women? Because I hate women obviously. Oh my
God, I was so disappointed though. So I was supposed to see it. The IMAX in
TMP Arizona was going to be one of the few across the entire country that was
showing Oppenheimer in film. And we're all really excited. My husband was
nerding out for months about this. We get there and they announce that the film
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projector was damaging the film and they can't show it on film. And we have to
watch it on digital. And I mean I was disappointed just because he'd been
building it up so much but it's still the same movie. You know it's still
gonna be in IMAX and the Christopher Nolan experience. But we saw it. It was
incredible. And then on the way out of the theater they gave us all these little
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coupons to come back to a different IMAX screenings. That was nice. And now I'm
gonna have to sit through that movie a second time. It was good but it's three
hours long. And now he's like so the film projector is gonna be fixed the week of
August 10th. Do you want to go again? I got to. I'm gonna have only sexual thoughts
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about Kelly and Murphy and that's all my God. I don't know. He's got like the
weirdest face but I still want to do things to it. Yeah. And his eyes are so
blue. Like I just want to swim inside of them get lost in those puppies. And you
get to see Florence Pugh naked and doing it. Spoilers. Yeah titties on IMAX.
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IMAX experience. And I know we're gonna dive into all of our Barbie
experiences but obviously that was delightful too. Yeah I love it. I love it. I
went to I wasn't planning on it. I was planning on going to the theater closer
to me but I ended up going to Arizona Mills as well for the IMAX showing and
it obviously wasn't fixed yet. So they had to sit through the commercials was
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really excited to not get any of those. But it was a really good time to go see it
and if you have the opportunity to go see it in an IMAX theater it's definitely
worth it. I think you get to like feel like you're there a lot of the time. Yeah.
Did you see it yet Nicole? No I haven't but I want to. I had to see Barbie first.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. That's the real feminist here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had a we had a
deal, Shauna. I know. I did it for the girlies. He bought me the tickets months
ago for the film "Event of the Millennial" and it didn't even happen so. Yeah, no.
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Gotta go watch those bombs go off again. I love it. What were you guys's favorite
Barbies as a kid? Oh my God. I had so many Barbies. I had a weird Barbie for sure. Oh yeah.
Okay. So I guess we'll say at the top of the episode Barbie movies spoilers. But oh yeah.
Smart. Yeah. We're talking about your personal Barbie. Yes. My personal Barbie. I had a weird
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Barbie. She's amazing. Her name was Caitlin. I posted her on my Instagram and TikTok
a little shout out to my socials and she's one of the Barbies where I definitely cut off
all of her hair, dyed it with nail polish, drew tattooes all over her. But in my head she
was such a bad girl and as a child of nine years old and got what year would that even be?
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1998, whenever I made this Barbie bad girl meant she had a kid rock tattoo in her thigh. A
raw rule tattoo in her chest and on the back she has a tattoo that just is slut. Just
a slut. Damn. I feel like I must have just learned that word and I was like, "Oh, that's
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bad. I think you have that tattoo. I got it my sharpie." Yeah. I love that. She's my favorite.
And then I just have a lot of good old fashioned stereotypical Barbie along with the Spice
Girl dolls and a Britney doll and all that good stuff. That was my favorite Barbie. That's
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what I was going to say. Baby Spice Barbie. Iconic or little blue dress, dress and I would
watch Spice World. There's two dip sets of Spice Girl dolls. So set number one is from the
Spice Girls record and set number two is from the Spice World record. Yes, I know. So you
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got the Spice World set. Yeah. I would watch the movie with it. Iconic, legendary. I love it.
Nicole, what about you? Were you a brats girl? I feel like right after my age group I felt
like it became like brats, right? Yeah. Yeah, I was more brats in polypockets. So if I had
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a Barbie it was probably just stereotypical Barbie. Yeah, exactly. That's funny. Does
you ever watch any of the Barbie movies? If you're like, your like, Gen Z loves those things.
I believe I did. I really can't even remember. I watched the same three things when I was younger.
So which were probably not Spongebob. Really on parents in Disney Channel. Also iconic. These are good choices.
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These are good choices. Well, there is a polypocket movie coming out and people are pissed
because they gave it to Lena Dunham. Oh, yeah. Is that Stone or is that just a rumor? No, it is.
They gave it to her. Yeah. And I think she's writing it too. We'll have to, you know, see
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as time goes on. But hopefully she does as good as Greta did. Doubt it. Okay, here's an important
question for Nicole though. How tall was your polypocket? I like it. They have sizes.
Yes. I like the size of my pinky. See, when I look at your sister Polly Pockets would fit in your pocket.
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If she was the size of like the tip of your finger, she was like a couple of centimeters. I was pocket.
Yes. And that was my finger. Well fit in my pocket. Yeah. Like she was really tiny and she lived
in these little houses that would fit in the palm of your hand and you would open it up.
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You couldn't change her outfits. Her hair was all plastic and she just had one little joint.
She could bend in the middle. So if Lena Dunham does put your little pocket. Yeah, she probably had that too.
She came with one bond, one joint, a dab. I love it. Why didn't I play with polypocket?
She came with a friend sofa that she would just crash on every once in a while. Some wraps.
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I love it. I love it. Later. It's amazing. A level.
It's amazing. Very off topic. Nicole, you may also be this way. Since I grew up in Chicago when I was younger,
like American Girl Doll was like everything. And so I love Felicity. I still have the Felicity doll.
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I have all my American Girl Dolls still. And they're like 500 bucks a piece. Like,
she's going to keep it. And I'm like keeping them because I'm like, they're only going to get more ex-mantigative.
But I wanted to be a Samantha Girly, but it was Felicity all day. You know that Irish potato famine
story. Really got me. I was going to a rich friend's house for a sleepover if she had American Girl Dolls.
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Like if I walked into her bedroom and she had those in a shelf, I'd be like, oh,
shit, we're going to get fed good tonight. We're going to get dominoes or pizza. We're not getting
that off-brand soda. Like I never had them. They were too expensive. That's that's amazing. Yeah,
I got them from my rich aunts. Every Christmas. I still have like the Josefina's little piano,
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which is also very expensive. So if any exclusive American Girl Doll buyers want to slide in the
DMs, I love that. I have an obscene amount of money. I'm sure they're not worth shit now, but
I am. I'm not going to be. Oh, they're not. They're money but first.
They did burst. It burst like in the early 2000s, but I just watched it like a year ago. They came out
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with a beanie baby documentary about the creator of it and how we created it, like this essentially
like fake market of beanie babies. It's really, really interesting. I'll have to look at the name.
I'm too nostalgic to get rid of them and they're all too cute. I'm like, how am I supposed to get rid
of your shape like a puppy? Like, I'm going to get rid of you. You're flamingo. I can't do it.
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I love it. Well, if you guys can't tell, we're all here today to talk a bit about the Barbie movie.
And so we're actually going to get into that after a quick break.
So Barbie really kind of took the nation by storm over the last few months. If you've been paying
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attention up before the writer and actor's shrink, that one of the best marketing campaigns,
probably of a movie of all time. It's really been kind of this cultural event going into the film.
And now that it's been released, it's definitely all you'll see all over social media. Everything's
being, if you haven't heard, yeah, right? Everything's being everywhere. Every girl down the street is going,
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hi, Barbie. But, you know, if you haven't heard a little bit about it, and the Barbie movie is being
defined as a fantasy comedy film. It's directed and written by Greta Gerwig, written by Noah
Bombak as well, who is also her husband. But it's the first live action Barbie film that we're going
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to see after they're really immensely populated. There are a lot of them very immensely populated.
It's the first live action film compared to their computer animated direct to video streaming
films that came out in the 2000s that really are popular and staples of Gen Z's childhood.
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So, if you haven't heard a little bit about it, the film follows Barbie as she has an existential crisis.
Margot Robbie plays her, but she's joined by Ryan Gosling, who plays Ken, and then we have
America Ferrara, Kate McKinnon, Issa Rae, and Will Farrell, and it's really a star-studded cast.
But what's been so crazy and what we really want to talk about today, of course, we're going to talk
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about the film a little bit. So, spoiler warning now, I think it was Sean to give it a little bit
earlier, but we are going to be getting into the details. So, if you haven't seen it, first of all,
get out from under your rock, go see the movie, and then come back to this episode.
Absolutely. But really what I wanted to talk about before we get into all the craziness, it's just,
how did you guys like the film? I absolutely loved this movie. I mean, I think my expectations were
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really high going into it. I knew I was going to like it. But the entire time I sat there with a huge
smile on my face, it's that perfect mix of absolutely silly and goofy and
nonsensical. Like, there is one point in the movie where one of the interns at Mattel is asking
what Barbie Land even is. He's like, is this like another dimension, or is it like a fantasy? And
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then they just go, yes. Don't think about it too hard. Don't think about it. And it's just like,
all right, I accept that. But it was just so sweet and emotional. And I know a lot of people,
like myself included cried. And I think it's just a celebration of womanhood. And absolutely just
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feminist at its core, you know, maybe not perfect, but it's absolutely something that I think moms and
little girls should see. I think men should see this single women just, I think it's just a celebration
of womenhood. Yeah. I agree. I love the movie. I was going into it again. Yeah. I guess with high
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expectations, just because of the marketing that they've been doing has been top tier. I've never really
seen marketing for a movie quite like they've done it. And they did a really good job. And it was very
powerful to watch. Just like we'll get into it. I'm sure. But the one scene just really open
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your eyes. I'm sure you guys probably know what scene I'm talking about. Yeah.
A mirror for Rare is like monologue. Yeah. That like hit me. I was like, wow, she is right.
She is a hundred percent on point about everything that she's saying right now. And I keep seeing
it on social media too. People wrote out the whole part of her script. Yeah. And I just, it's incredible.
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Definitely go see it. It's really good. When Olivia and I saw it in theaters right after
America, Ferrell is done with her speech. This woman in the audience just goes, "Hah, she's a real
deal now. Just this success parade is so so loud. It's like touching, like heart touching, like
moment. It's like the peak of the movie." And literally she goes, "Hah, and the whole theater just
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hackle as like it was the hardest we laughed throughout the whole movie. Everyone in that
theater said yes. We know. That's so funny. It was just like the funniest like live part of an audience.
And like going back to, we haven't seen movies like this in so long. Like, yeah. I feel like the last
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time I was in a movie where a theater was packed where people were like laughing and having such an
amazing time was truly like step brothers. And it's ironic that Will Ferrell is also in this. He has
a good picker. But I think the movie was just so good. And what I thought they did really well,
even though they had so much marketing, so many interviews about this movie is everything they
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told us was shown in the first like two minutes. So you were like, "Oh, I know all the stuff about the
movie, but no, you really knew nothing." And they were just like, "Oh, well, this is a rolling
intro scene." And they started like, "Can it hold you guys about enough?" But yeah, I really,
really liked the movie as a whole. But one of the things that I thought was just so so good about
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the acting and both the writing is like it was how I played with a Barbie as a kid. Like in the way
they act in Barbie land is just so spot on. You don't make her walk down the stairs. She floats from
one spot to another. You know, she doesn't actually have her hands on the steering wheel. She's just
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kind of skewed she's her along and she's just kind of talking to people as she goes. It's just like
somebody's playing with her. Yeah, and it was like the movements of their bodies. Like I think it's
you know, physical comedy is often said to be the hardest of comedies. Yeah. And I thought they
did an amazing job at balancing how would a child play with a Barbie versus if we're going to get
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into it a little bit. But if you see the internet right now, men conservative men specifically like
freaking out. It's like how does someone outrage and make you think so much like this and have such
an undertone while they're acting like how children play with a Barbie. Yeah, honestly amazing writing
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and Greta Gerwig is most famous for Lady Bird and Little Women. I'm first seen the leader of
actor. Yeah, like I I've heard it's so amazing and they're like on my to-do list. But now I feel like
I have even more reason to go and watch them after loving Barbie so much. Yeah, I would say I think
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that Greta is going to be like Sophia Coppola. Yeah. Where she really is such a good voice for women
and whenever I was initially like looking at stuff about her leading up to this movie, she is one
of eight female directors to ever be nominated for an Oscar. That's it. Eight. Yeah. My god. No.
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And it's a Barbie land. Right. But seeing the success of this movie, she just got the ability to be
the writer on Snow White in 2024. And I am so unbelievably excited. Oh, I didn't realize that.
She also got Chronicles and Arnia. I did hear that. That's insane. I'm not sure if I want another
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Chronicles. I've not even a movie. But no, I don't know. It's kind of Christian propaganda. My
love to say that. It is. I didn't know that. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, as a youth group kid growing up,
it's like Chronicles and Arnia. It's about Jesus. Which is fine if that's her thing. But you know,
I'd be interested to see where she takes it. And you know, I don't usually go and live action
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Disney movies with like eye expectations, but you know, the Snow White casting so far looks cute too.
And Creditious proven herself like, if it's going to be Fimness takes on these things, then sign me up.
Yes. Yeah. Right. It's like, it was probably layers to how she would approach it. She did take that.
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The movie I think is is such a good tale of women and mothers and daughters. Yeah.
As well. And she'd actually just had a kid. So I thought it was really interesting that both her and
her husband wrote this and then she just had a kid and you know, it kind of goes into, you know,
the themes of the message. And like, I think my favorite quote of it is us mothers stand still.
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So our daughters can see how far they've got beautiful. And it was it was just so beautiful. I
loved American Ferraris as well. But I thought that was because you always grow up and you're like,
well, I'm never going to be that person. I'm never going to be like my mom in this sense of it. And then,
you know, you look back and you're like, no, I am my mom and I'm happy to be my mom. And I think it's
it's such a cool like expression of finding yourself in the journey. And it celebrated so many
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different journeys of womanhood where your mom or your not and either way is fine. And maybe your
doctor, maybe your scientist, maybe you wrote a book, maybe you just like to do your hair and wear
print dresses. And that's fine. That doesn't make you any less powerful or any less of a feminist.
Some people have said that this movie is like Feminism 101. And maybe so. But I think that's important.
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If you see something like that and it's not a concept that you're familiar with, you can learn a
lot watching this movie. And if you go into it not expecting it, I didn't feel like it beats you
over the head. It's just kind of there. I mean, I can't want to revive the patriarchy. But he
doesn't realize what the patriarchy even is. And it's interesting watching women be treated like men
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in Barbie land. And then just watching the experience through Barbie's eyes of, oh my god,
this isn't actually how the world works. You know, you guys get caught cold and you're not in any
positions of power and just kind of watching that devastation. And I didn't solve the issues of
feminism just by existing. Like, I don't know that whole journey. What are you doing? Yeah. My favorite
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quote from the movie was when I don't remember the character's name, the little girl, the daughter
calls Barbie a fascist. She goes, control the real way. But yeah, it's kind of, you know, it goes in
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and it's, yeah, it really starts out as kind of feminism 101. Well, the women are in charge and we're
all so pretty, but also of doing things. And then it gets to the real world. And it's like, actually,
no, there's race inequality. And we have to work jobs and some of us are moms and we're struggling
and we're not good enough. And we wish, like we press ourselves and, you know, just kind of,
then it gets to that deeper level of actually, you need to go a little deeper than this.
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Which I loved. Yeah, it's quite funny. And so if you are not chronically online, like the,
all of the three of us are over here, there has been quite a bit of controversy both on,
I would probably say like far left and conservative outrage. This whole situation that'll kind of give
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a brief explainer made me be like, am I a moderate? Yeah, right. So the, the Shana kind of alluded to
it a little bit before this. It's a lot of, and there's some valid criticisms from, from these people,
right? Like they didn't like the queer representation. Like Alan is very subverted to a side character.
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And he's Ken's best friend. And he's meant like even back in the day, he's always kind of had this queer
lens thrown onto him. So they didn't love that. And then the other one is such a cursory
introduction to feminism where it's like, we've learned this in 2010 and, you know, blah, blah, blah.
But on the other side of that token, there is people like a Ben Shapiro, like going out and buying
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Barbies and giving Mattel money in the burning them. It's very odd. It's just like on the whole bunch
of blood light, just to shoot it with your, your gun. You bought the fucking blood light. You gave the money.
I'm sorry. I, I understand that this, like I said, is a very surface level view of feminism. But
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that is also coming from me and you guys who have kind of studied feminism on a deeper level and
have a deeper understanding of this and have come to terms with intersectional feminism and
uplifting the voices of women of color. I mean, if you are just getting fresh to the feminist
movement, welcome. We've been waiting for you. We're so happy to have you as well. And I think that
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this is nice to see. I will agree that it's definitely a lot of white feminism, which is why it just
makes me so angry that Lena Dunham is going to be. She's the queen of white feminism
in the queer representation. I, I made my Barbies sizzle so a lot. My Barbies were doing it.
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They were sexy. My Barbies were sexy. I mean, and they were having sex with kin too. They were
just kind of rubbing their plastic smooth bumps against each other a lot. And then my mom walked in
and found them in a precarious situation. I was like, what are you doing? And I was like, I threw
them and they landed like that. Like naked. She's on a blind turn on accident. But like,
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it's an accident, mom.
Mom, I promise. I don't even know what the thing is. I just really like dogs.
They're doing it like, they're walking like dogs too.
Yeah. Well, can and okay. So in in this film, you know, once you get to like,
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ruminate on it and think about it, like everything that happens in the real world when people are
playing with Barbies happens in Barbie land. So maybe they were, they were really getting it on.
It's been how to. But they definitely would rub. They would rub parts.
Yeah. I mean, that just, that just sounds like a grand old time, you know.
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Yeah. But it's one of my favorite ones. If you guys haven't seen on Twitter, we're calling it
at Twitter. We're not calling it X. I've set Elon's. These people were taking movie reviews and
putting them on the Barbie poster. Yeah. And so I grabbed some where it's like Barbie and alienating
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dangerous and perversive film. Yeah, let's turn the ratings down. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Nicole.
The feminist agenda will kill us all. Next one. Barbie, they won't be happy until we are all gay.
Which is true. I will not be happy until all of you are as gay as I am.
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Yeah. Well, I think we're all a little gay. So, you know, I'm happy.
I always say that to my husband. I mean, he has the biggest crush on Ryan Gosling.
And I'm like, baby, listen, in the words of, of butters from South Park. Well, a little bit bisexual.
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It's, it's so good. I mean, ultimately, I think. So his performance is, is so amazing. But I was
in the middle of the movie, looked over at Shana whenever he was like deep in his mojo, dojo,
costumes. I was like, if this was not Ryan Gosling, I would have the Ick for this actor so hard.
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But he is so hot. Like, it just can't like, uh, so bad. This movie is abs. Any chance they have
to show his abs. Oh my god. And you know who else is dummy, huh? And I wish he would have taken his
shirt off. I know. I love how he went from like, we are intersectional feminists. Yes, like woman.
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And now we're like, you know, let me make it. Let me object to my, let me object to my, the man.
Okay, listen, I just love Seemoo Liu. And I wish he took his shirt off. Listen, that's all I'm gonna say.
Literally the back flip. My favorite part is like him and Ryan are actually like still going on
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about, uh, Ryan not being able to do a back flip. Ryan is a, or I guess Ken. Ryan is a force girl.
He's a force girl. And throw. And it just makes so much sense. Ken is a force girl. Oh yeah. Okay,
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growing up back to when we had Barbies, well, you know, call you said you didn't really, but like,
how many kids did you own? We all had like 30 Barbies, but how many kids? No. I had a white and a black
kin. You had a black. Yeah. I love it. I had two kids. Um, one was, he came in a set with like crazy
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90s hair barbie or something. She had really long hair like down to the floor. And he had this like
purple, one of those jogging suits that make the swish swish noise when you walk. It was peak 90s.
So he was my kin. And then I also had Harvey Kinkle from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. And when you
pressed a button in the back of his head, he would wink his eye. He was like trying to wink. Yeah.
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I have a lot of bow. I can't wink. I can barely move. I loved that they put earring magic Ken in it.
Oh my god. It was like the most bisexual, uh, I guess gay Ken ever. Absolutely. So I was listening to
the story of how they accidentally did this because at the end, whenever they have all the weird
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Barbies, like the dog that poops or whatever, they're all these discontinued like really fricking weird,
like who approved this, who signed off on this. So Barbie, whenever they started to like fade from
relevancy, right? When it right before Bratz came out, they were trying to figure out like, okay,
how do we appeal to these millennials, right? These millennial children. And so they were like,
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we need to make Ken cool and relevant. So these people from Mattel started to go out to raves,
not knowing that a lot of the raves at the time were like gay club scenes. And so they were saying
all these men. Yeah, no, they were saying all these men with one earring in and they were like,
oh, cool fashion statement. But back in the day, that was how you would signal that you were gay.
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Yeah. And so like if you only had one in, people would know their face on the internet or something.
Yeah, it was on a certain year. So people could safely meet people in public and in these crowds.
And so they also, they had already just done like magic Barbie who like grows hair, right? So they're like,
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okay, we're going to make a magic Ken. And at the time, all these people at least gay clubs were
wearing a ring that goes around a certain body part. And so they were like, wow, what a cool fashion
statement. It was a cock ring. Yeah. And they were like, yes, in clubs at the time.
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Absolutely. Yeah. And so they were like, oh, what a cool pendant. Like that'll be so fun. And people
like immediately when it got released. Because I remember when I was in like middle school, people knew
that like you had an earring on one side. It was like seeing. And so they released a doll that was like
gay signaling and wearing a cock ring. Oh, and so people wear cock rings right now.
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It's called magic earring Ken. No, I'm talking cock ring Ken and I pressed images. This is on you now.
Wherever this goes, he's like, yeah, no, no, he's giving. He's in a mesh shirt. He's in a purple leather vest.
He's wearing a lavender mesh shirt. And literally like lavender marriage is like a relationship between
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two gay people, like a lesbian and a gay person. They get together so that they could hide.
Is that why Taylor's song is called lavender haze? I would say yes, but you know, the
the headler is my stone man and open square. If I go there. Oh my God, he's absolutely, and I love him
and I want one. Yeah. And you know, there were some really funny ones like the head midge in it,
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which if you don't know who midges, it's fucking disturbing. Like it's a little baby that you like
pull out of her. Like you can pull them and pull it out of her. And Alan was supposed to be the
father, like her boyfriend/husband. It goes back and forth, but he was supposed to be the father
of his child. Yeah, lavender marriage. Melissa. Yeah. Oh my God. It's so funny. The fact that Mattel
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let this be made, I think is amazing. Like you look at like a company like Disney. I think there
were a lot of going back to intro feminism, right? Like five, 10 years ago, there were a lot of
documentaries about like the impact that Barbie had and like how much damage she did. Like I would say
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she's almost like lumped into this group of like, and it kind of goes in that monologue where she's
like, we put all of this onto a doll. Like how fucked up are we that like we put all of this pressure
and society things on our doll that we made. Yeah. And it is really, really crazy. I think honestly
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it's going to be one of those movies that are just studied forever. And if you're like listening
to this and you're like, it's a girls movie. Like I'm just like a movie fan. I'd rather go see like an
op-inheimer. I did want to include this. If you're a movie buff, if you've loved old movies, if you
love film, Greta Gerwig did an interview with Turner Classic movies. It was amazing. It was really,
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really great. But she has a ton of references throughout. So where she pulled a big influence from
when it comes to Barbie land is the Red Shoes. But also like singing in the rain, Wizard of Oz,
an American in Paris. And we obviously had 2001 space Odyssey as that opener scene. And I just
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thought it was really, really cool. I don't know if you've actually heard this yet. But the girls,
when Barbie goes to them and meets them at the school, they're all the original Bratz dolls names.
No, they're not. They all look exactly like the Bratz dolls. Did you get that up? The call right away.
I didn't pick it up. No, but I saw it literally like right when I got out of the theater. And I was on
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the floor. Social media or whatever. So it came up. And they have the characters and they have
next to the dollar they represent. And they look identical to the dollar they're supposed to represent.
Funny, funny nod. I think that Mattel has come such a far away though. And I mean, I think they
realized that they had to kind of catch up with the times. And I watched one of the documentaries
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that was about how damaging Barbie was. And I think it was through the eyes of a Mattel employee who
was kind of trying to, I don't know, keep up with, you know, how do I reinvigorate this brand? And
they do have a lot more representation in body sizes with Barbies now. They have different heights,
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different waistlines, so many different skin colors. They have Barbies and wheelchairs. So I really
liked that they represented that in this film. And that not every Barbie was stereotypical platinum
blonde tan. You know, we had a wheelchair, a Barbie and a wheelchair on the dance floor getting down.
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And everyone was still just Barbie. So I don't know. I think that that part of it really,
you know, I could see Mattel being like, yeah, look, look, we were getting better. We're doing this.
We're putting in the time. And you know, they're not perfect, if I any means. But what capitalist
company is? I remember like right before I started like getting out of playing with Barbies,
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they had just launched like their Barbies around the world. Yeah. And it was kind of like American
girl don't where they would have like that token person from there. And then that was it. But I
think they've done a really good job at not just having like one black Barbie or one Indian Barbie and
all those things. But I think it's the best possible PR move that could have made because again,
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like they talk about in the movie, like we put so much weight on Barbie. And for them to continue,
they had to acknowledge it in a way where it wasn't like a PR statement. And it was like we get it,
we want to be better. And while they say people like me, people older than me are like reconnecting
with Barbie in a way where like I've seen a grown-ass adults go buy like five Barbies since I've seen
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this movie. I have been so to to buy Barbies. I want to go buy Barbies that look like each of my friends,
like for my friends, bachelor at party. Oh my god. If she listens to this episode, whatever spoiler,
I want to buy her like a Barbie that looks like her. And I'm sure I can find right. And it's definitely
me like dig out some of my old Barbies and just this so nostalgic. I love it. I love that so much.
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No, I love how it's making everybody reminisce. I got out my mom's old Barbies from the 60s that were
passed down to me. She had a skipper. She had a Barbie. She has a midge. She's not pregnant midge.
But she's got little fun of midge. Yes, dude. It's so cute. She's got this cute little like bangs
and flipped out red hair, little freckles. It makes me feel more connected to my mom,
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just like the movie. Every generation is kind of played with Barbie. Yeah, yeah, that's so cool.
Oh, so glad you have those. I know. They're really cool. Yeah, I looked over at China and I was like,
are you okay? In the middle of the movie. I'm holding it together. Hashtag dead mom's called.
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All right. Is that a Barbie? Dead mom Barbie. Dead mom Barbie.
Did China, baby? It's just a prince. She knows. And experimented mattress.
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Dead, too. Okay. Actually, like favorite really, really subtle reference.
And I laughed so hard. China didn't get it in the moment. I was crying at the scene where she
looks at the old lady and is like, you're beautiful. And she's like, I know. And then right after this,
they're like talking the mom, the daughter and Barbie and Gloria and Barbie are like,
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I love this. And she's like, are you two shining to each other? Which is a reference for the shining
whenever they can telepathically talk to each other. And if you didn't really pick up on this when
you saw the movie, it's like heavy, cute brick influence. And she really does quite a few nods,
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jam. So I love that. She put that in there. And she's so good. I can't praise that interview. She
did enough where she talks about her influences. Like, I love watching people create art when they
just have like such a genuine appreciation of it and love for it. And you know, the people who came
before them and who kind of paved the way. And then they take those influences respectfully and make
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it their own. I love that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. If they were going to make a pop culture junky
Barbie set. And each of us came with accessories and outfits. What accessories? What two accessories
would you come with? And what would your outfit look like? Just real quick. No pressure. Go. Okay.
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My Barbie, I know the outfit because it's very, I'm literally wearing one right now. So
it would be a yeah. It would be a silk slip dress, like a midi dress. It could be any pattern. I'm
probably black though. Let's be honest. I wear all black all the time. With some like heel boots
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that would be your outfit. My accessory would be a brick and morty bomb. And then a
it's like I have one right behind me. No, okay. Side note, super side tracked. But every time someone's
like if someone broke into your house, what would you do? Like what would be the closest thing that
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you grabbed? And it would always be my brick and morty bomb because I would have a two-pronged approach
here. Okay. It would be throwing the bomb water in their face and then hitting them with it. And
it's such thick glass that I don't even think it would break. And I'd get a if it did have a
stamping device. And then the robber leaves, you just really were like, "God, that was stressful."
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And then you're like, "Oh, that sucks." Yeah. Not to squirrel. But my other accessory because it does
exist in Bargueland is Ziggy. It would be a little Ziggy because we had sugar daddy, and he had a dog,
named sugar. So Ziggy could be a exist. So Ziggy is the dog in case anybody listening is like,
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"What the fuck is her Ziggy?" Not the bomb. Not the bomb. We did not hand the bomb.
If we did it would probably be like pick me seeks because you know it's always willing to give me
a helping hand. I think your bun's name should be Zaggy. So it can be Ziggy. Ziggy Zaggy. Ziggy and Zaggy.
Oh my god. When they had the bar between where the little girl's cutting the hair off the barbie
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and like putting her in the splits, that was just a scene from my childhood. So...
So, this girl's playing... Oh, fucking up this barbie's hair.
I can't believe it took me this long to say this, but I saw a TikTok earlier. And the person that made
weird barbie was Gloria. You see it in the flashback. And she had the words Gloria on the wall.
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And so Gloria also made weird barbie. That's hilarious. I love that. And see, I need to rewatch it.
I've got to go out with my husband. So I'll catch little things I did this game.
I got to see Oppenheimer again first. All right, what's Barbie Nicole coming with?
Mine is gonna have... I just bought this outfit and I'm obsessed with it. So it's gonna be my Barbie outfit.
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And just like a workout romper that girls have been wearing lately.
You did look cute now. It's from Amber Crombie. Oh yes, yes, you did see me in that.
Oh, because it's adorable. That is true. I forgot. See? I'll do it all the time.
My shoes would be just regular... I call them gym shoes. I'm sorry, I'm from the Midwest.
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Gym shoes, sneakers, tennis shoes. I don't know whatever you want to call them.
Tannies? Tannies. And then my two accessories would be
Chapstick because I'm always using Chapstick.
And my other accessory would be... I don't know if glasses are an accessory but like I can't see
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without these. So this would probably just be a part of my outfit actually.
My other accessory would probably be my AirPods. My big, I have AirPods Max's
The pros and I like the actual ones. Probably those so I can always listen to my music.
I love that she's got Chapstick. She's wearing pink. She's ready to run away if she needs to
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from the situation. What about you, Shana? Okay, so Barbie Shana would probably be wearing like
black, high-waisted shorts and then some kind of like mesh top with bats on it that shows off the
cleavage a little bit. But with subtle, subtle Barbie cleave. Off to the Barbie. Yeah, she's not
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slutty Barbie. She's like, she's like a decent Goth Barbie. Does she have the slut I do it on her back?
She's got slutty, I'm gonna lower back. It's scribbled nine-year-old handwriting.
I should get that tattoo. I should bring this my weird Barbie to a tattoo shop and be like,
give me this slut. Sure, my husband of eight years would love me getting a tattoo that she says.
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It's like, it's Shana. What was it? You turn it around.
Don't look a ranch. Yeah. It's from Boy the Millers. No way, Brett.
And she be wearing black platform sandals. I'm gonna copy you Olivia and she would have a little
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buffy with her, which is the dog, not the slayer. But you know, if I could hang out with a Sarah
Michelle Geller Barbie, that would be cool too. My accessory is SMG mother. My accessory is just
buffy the bandwriters. So how little buffy with me? And then probably a glass of red wine in the
other hand. Alcoholic Barbie. She's very... She's going to press and Barbie. That's different.
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I'm just depressed and Barbie. It's like, who else felt so seen during that depression bar?
It's like, I'm insulted Olivia like, with like this to me.
Like tapped me. Look at us. I saw someone be like, I'm not depression, Barbie, because I watched the
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Kiran-Ivy version. It's like that scene in Parks and Rec where Ben is depressed and he's like,
I'm not depressed. Could a depressed person do this? And it's just all these like miniature toys
that he's building. Look at all I have. Could a depressed person do this? My favorite is all the people
who are like adults who made like these like cyborg. Like the mean kid in toy story, like versions of
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their Barbie. Like one white cloth and then it's like human centipede. You get there. And they're like,
I feel so bad for her in Barbie Land. And no, that is like someone commented on the video and was like,
this is the task version of Barbie Land, which popped up movie. This came in to be Barbie. Yeah, that's
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not gonna become that. The destroyer of worse. It's so funny. Well, you know, even though Shana
went against women and and all of feminism, I did want to kind of talk about Barbie and Oppenheimer
opening weekends. So Barbie not just like beat out Oppenheimer beat some of like the records of
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all time as well. Their budget was 145 million. They made opening nine 22.2 million dollars. She
was the biggest debut between Thursday and Friday. They made 70.5 million dollars just on
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the free night. It's the biggest comedic debut of a film ever. That's insane. That's amazing. Yeah.
So really, really cool. They made so much money. And of course, it's just continuing. Today, the day
where recording is just the seven day mark. So we don't have opening week. All right, when it comes
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to Oppenheimer, Barbie, more than doubled its success. And so, you know, I mean, it's three-hour
movie. It's a hard sell. So, you know, where Oppenheimer was a great movie as well. And Oppenheimer
was rated. Yeah. So it is gonna have a smaller audience. That's able to see it or wants to
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sit through a three-hour movie. And it's definitely more violent and mature than Barbie. But
yeah, it's a second. It's opening for a R rated film. The first was the Passion of the Christ.
Oh my god. Which I saw in theaters with my youth group in the web. I've never seen it.
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I make a joke on Easter. And I'm like, should we watch Passion of the Christ every Easter?
We just don't know much Passion of the Christ with you next Easter.
It's obvious we have a picture of it. We can make, oh my god, a Passion of the Christ drink.
A blood of Christ. Yes. Yeah. It has to be wrapped.
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Oh, man, we're losing all of our our Christian listeners for sorry.
You believe it? Yes. I mean, you know, if you've made it this far, we'd love you.
Even despite your choices. You know, I do want to kind of wrap this up. Obviously,
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this was an amazing soundtrack. So many original songs, which I love to see again. I missed
one soundtracks where just everything. I loved it. Do a leap of song is such an earworm. Oh my god.
It's just such a good sad disco song. And so I'm curious to know what was your favorite song
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from the movie? My favorite song from the movie is Push by Matchbox 20.
I have this like running joke with my friends. I worked in an office years ago that would play
Matchbox 20 like multiple times an hour. And anytime they played it, I would send a Matchbox 20 gift
to the group chat of Rob Thomas from like a music video. And so the minute it came on, I was like,
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I love it. And just all the kids sitting around because women, how many of us have had that date
with a guy where he just plays acoustic guitar, and looks awkwardly into your eyes. And you don't
know how to react. And you're like, oh my god, is he going to go through the whole fucking sound?
Yes, he is. He's going to sing the entirety of Wonderwall at May, right?
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No, he's going to fuck it up. And then he's going to start over and then do the whole song 20 times.
If it was really just a song and it was a wait, oh wait, oh wait, just let's go.
This is always, we all have that naked head right now who we're thinking of who did that.
And I hope he's doing well. I don't know. God, yeah, that's why I just stopped dating people who
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played music. I was pretty scared. I think my favorite is Speed Drive by Charlie XeX, but I think the
Billie Eilish song is amazing and it was so good for the score of the movie because it's
throughout the whole movie. Yeah. And it's just so deep and so good. But I love Speed Drive.
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That unicorn. I think we can all guess. I know. It's definitely what was I made for by Billy.
I listened to it before the movie and we came out because she released it. Yeah.
Before the movie came out, so I did listen to it beforehand and the music video for it is so
cute. It's her playing with miniature Barbies of herself. And it, let's not know true Barbies of
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herself. I take the bag. It's outfits that she's worn in the past. And they're on little Barbies.
Oh, yeah. It's cute. And it's such a cute video. But definitely that again, like you said, Olivia,
it just really makes you think like just the title and itself gets you question like what was I
made for? It gets you question like why you're here kind of thing. It gets really deep. We're not
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going to do that right now, but existential. Yes. But yeah, obviously, I think we could have
all guessed. I don't know if you watched the interview. She did about it. It was pretty good. I
saw clips of it, but you know what? She really talked about like how it was the right question for,
I mean, I think she just what turned like 1920 for that age grouping. And then also it's, if you
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really listen to the words, I think it's such an interesting commentary on fame as well. Like what
was I made for? Am I just something you paid for? I'm not really real. I think that's really,
really interesting knowing what we know about Billie Eilish and kind of like the way she's been treated
especially lately. So I thought it was all around just such a beautiful movie. Very good for women.
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To round it out, a movie made for women doesn't mean it's the absence of men. I think the message
at the end really is finding your individuality and self. And so, you know, I think that you should be
not defining yourself by a relationship with somebody. And yeah, you know, men and it's definitely not
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anti-ment as anybody would say. Yeah, being pro women, being pro women does not mean anti-men. And
you know, I think if you were a man who saw this movie and maybe was a little triggered, think in
word, right? Like things that upset me and have caused emotion in me or often mirrors into myself. But
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I personally have not stopped thinking about it. I saw that like six days ago, five days ago,
can't do math. And it's all I thought about. And so I think it's a very beautiful movie. And
depending on your side, I think there's a message for everyone. I totally agree. And it is
interesting that anybody who says that it's anti-men, it's because they're seeing men being treated
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as women are used to being treated. So, oh, you guys don't like that. You don't like it when the men
are objectified and made to feel silly. Oh, that's weird because that's just the lived woman experience.
And so if it makes you uncomfortable, just realize that's the commentary, you know, like, this is what
women experience every day. Yeah, I thought it was beautiful. I loved it. I can see it being one of those
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movies that you pop on when you want to be in a good mood. And you're just like, I need something
happy to watch. I'm going to watch the Barbie movie. So, I absolutely recommend it for everybody.
10 out of five Barbies. It was Kenneth. It was Kenneth also, yeah, so good. I said this to
shot yesterday that I was like, I found these shirts that says, I am not drunk enough. And I was like,
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oh, I'm wearing these. That's it. It's so good. Yeah, thought it was very female empowering. I
walked out of it and I was like, well, I am actually very happy to be a woman right now because
after watching this, it made me realize that we can do anything and we will not stop to get
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what we want and be treated as equals to others because we deserve it just as much as everyone else.
And yeah, I really enjoyed that. The whole main cast was basically females. Obviously, men were
there, obviously, but they weren't the main point of the movie. And finally, we have a movie that's
for us. Not just us. It's for everyone obviously. So that's multiple times. But you guys get what I'm saying.
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Like, for sure. Yes. It's female for us. Yes. So nice. It's unfortunate that we had a
wait until 2023 to get this. But we have it. And I'm happy. Yes. Yes. How I love being a woman.
Well, that about wraps up this episode of Pop Culture Junkie. But before we get back into our
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boxes, Barbie Nicole and Barbie Shauna, where can listeners find you on social media?
You could find me on Instagram and TikTok @nicole_eldridge , and on
Twitter at any @naeldridge14 You can find me, Shauna, on Instagram, TikTok, and Threads @shaunatrinidad
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and then on TikTok @livyolife420 Rick and Morty Bong. And you can find Pop Culture Junkie
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Welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie Podcast. I'm Olivia, here with my fellow
Junkies. Nicole. And Shauna. Awesome. Well Nicole, Shauna really wanted to pick your
brains. How did you guys enjoy Barbenheimer Weekend? Yes, hi Barbie. Hi
Barbie. Barbinheimer Weekend was iconic. I saw Oppenheimer
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first on Friday. Because you hate women? Because I hate women obviously. Oh my
God, I was so disappointed though. So I was supposed to see it. The IMAX in
TMP Arizona was going to be one of the few across the entire country that was
showing Oppenheimer in film. And we're all really excited. My husband was
nerding out for months about this. We get there and they announce that the film
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projector was damaging the film and they can't show it on film. And we have to
watch it on digital. And I mean I was disappointed just because he'd been
building it up so much but it's still the same movie. You know it's still
gonna be in IMAX and the Christopher Nolan experience. But we saw it. It was
incredible. And then on the way out of the theater they gave us all these little
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coupons to come back to a different IMAX screenings. That was nice. And now I'm
gonna have to sit through that movie a second time. It was good but it's three
hours long. And now he's like so the film projector is gonna be fixed the week of
August 10th. Do you want to go again? I got to. I'm gonna have only sexual thoughts
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about Kelly and Murphy and that's all my God. I don't know. He's got like the
weirdest face but I still want to do things to it. Yeah. And his eyes are so
blue. Like I just want to swim inside of them get lost in those puppies. And you
get to see Florence Pugh naked and doing it. Spoilers. Yeah titties on IMAX.
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IMAX experience. And I know we're gonna dive into all of our Barbie
experiences but obviously that was delightful too. Yeah I love it. I love it. I
went to I wasn't planning on it. I was planning on going to the theater closer
to me but I ended up going to Arizona Mills as well for the IMAX showing and
it obviously wasn't fixed yet. So they had to sit through the commercials was
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really excited to not get any of those. But it was a really good time to go see it
and if you have the opportunity to go see it in an IMAX theater it's definitely
worth it. I think you get to like feel like you're there a lot of the time. Yeah.
Did you see it yet Nicole? No I haven't but I want to. I had to see Barbie first.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. That's the real feminist here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had a we had a
deal, Shauna. I know. I did it for the girlies. He bought me the tickets months
ago for the film "Event of the Millennial" and it didn't even happen so. Yeah, no.
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Gotta go watch those bombs go off again. I love it. What were you guys's favorite
Barbies as a kid? Oh my God. I had so many Barbies. I had a weird Barbie for sure. Oh yeah.
Okay. So I guess we'll say at the top of the episode Barbie movies spoilers. But oh yeah.
Smart. Yeah. We're talking about your personal Barbie. Yes. My personal Barbie. I had a weird
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Barbie. She's amazing. Her name was Caitlin. I posted her on my Instagram and TikTok
a little shout out to my socials and she's one of the Barbies where I definitely cut off
all of her hair, dyed it with nail polish, drew tattooes all over her. But in my head she
was such a bad girl and as a child of nine years old and got what year would that even be?
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1998, whenever I made this Barbie bad girl meant she had a kid rock tattoo in her thigh. A
raw rule tattoo in her chest and on the back she has a tattoo that just is slut. Just
a slut. Damn. I feel like I must have just learned that word and I was like, "Oh, that's
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bad. I think you have that tattoo. I got it my sharpie." Yeah. I love that. She's my favorite.
And then I just have a lot of good old fashioned stereotypical Barbie along with the Spice
Girl dolls and a Britney doll and all that good stuff. That was my favorite Barbie. That's
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what I was going to say. Baby Spice Barbie. Iconic or little blue dress, dress and I would
watch Spice World. There's two dip sets of Spice Girl dolls. So set number one is from the
Spice Girls record and set number two is from the Spice World record. Yes, I know. So you
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got the Spice World set. Yeah. I would watch the movie with it. Iconic, legendary. I love it.
Nicole, what about you? Were you a brats girl? I feel like right after my age group I felt
like it became like brats, right? Yeah. Yeah, I was more brats in polypockets. So if I had
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a Barbie it was probably just stereotypical Barbie. Yeah, exactly. That's funny. Does
you ever watch any of the Barbie movies? If you're like, your like, Gen Z loves those things.
I believe I did. I really can't even remember. I watched the same three things when I was younger.
So which were probably not Spongebob. Really on parents in Disney Channel. Also iconic. These are good choices.
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These are good choices. Well, there is a polypocket movie coming out and people are pissed
because they gave it to Lena Dunham. Oh, yeah. Is that Stone or is that just a rumor? No, it is.
They gave it to her. Yeah. And I think she's writing it too. We'll have to, you know, see
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as time goes on. But hopefully she does as good as Greta did. Doubt it. Okay, here's an important
question for Nicole though. How tall was your polypocket? I like it. They have sizes.
Yes. I like the size of my pinky. See, when I look at your sister Polly Pockets would fit in your pocket.
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If she was the size of like the tip of your finger, she was like a couple of centimeters. I was pocket.
Yes. And that was my finger. Well fit in my pocket. Yeah. Like she was really tiny and she lived
in these little houses that would fit in the palm of your hand and you would open it up.
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You couldn't change her outfits. Her hair was all plastic and she just had one little joint.
She could bend in the middle. So if Lena Dunham does put your little pocket. Yeah, she probably had that too.
She came with one bond, one joint, a dab. I love it. Why didn't I play with polypocket?
She came with a friend sofa that she would just crash on every once in a while. Some wraps.
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I love it. I love it. Later. It's amazing. A level.
It's amazing. Very off topic. Nicole, you may also be this way. Since I grew up in Chicago when I was younger,
like American Girl Doll was like everything. And so I love Felicity. I still have the Felicity doll.
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I have all my American Girl Dolls still. And they're like 500 bucks a piece. Like,
she's going to keep it. And I'm like keeping them because I'm like, they're only going to get more ex-mantigative.
But I wanted to be a Samantha Girly, but it was Felicity all day. You know that Irish potato famine
story. Really got me. I was going to a rich friend's house for a sleepover if she had American Girl Dolls.
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Like if I walked into her bedroom and she had those in a shelf, I'd be like, oh,
shit, we're going to get fed good tonight. We're going to get dominoes or pizza. We're not getting
that off-brand soda. Like I never had them. They were too expensive. That's that's amazing. Yeah,
I got them from my rich aunts. Every Christmas. I still have like the Josefina's little piano,
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which is also very expensive. So if any exclusive American Girl Doll buyers want to slide in the
DMs, I love that. I have an obscene amount of money. I'm sure they're not worth shit now, but
I am. I'm not going to be. Oh, they're not. They're money but first.
They did burst. It burst like in the early 2000s, but I just watched it like a year ago. They came out
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with a beanie baby documentary about the creator of it and how we created it, like this essentially
like fake market of beanie babies. It's really, really interesting. I'll have to look at the name.
I'm too nostalgic to get rid of them and they're all too cute. I'm like, how am I supposed to get rid
of your shape like a puppy? Like, I'm going to get rid of you. You're flamingo. I can't do it.
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I love it. Well, if you guys can't tell, we're all here today to talk a bit about the Barbie movie.
And so we're actually going to get into that after a quick break.
So Barbie really kind of took the nation by storm over the last few months. If you've been paying
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attention up before the writer and actor's shrink, that one of the best marketing campaigns,
probably of a movie of all time. It's really been kind of this cultural event going into the film.
And now that it's been released, it's definitely all you'll see all over social media. Everything's
being, if you haven't heard, yeah, right? Everything's being everywhere. Every girl down the street is going,
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hi, Barbie. But, you know, if you haven't heard a little bit about it, and the Barbie movie is being
defined as a fantasy comedy film. It's directed and written by Greta Gerwig, written by Noah
Bombak as well, who is also her husband. But it's the first live action Barbie film that we're going
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to see after they're really immensely populated. There are a lot of them very immensely populated.
It's the first live action film compared to their computer animated direct to video streaming
films that came out in the 2000s that really are popular and staples of Gen Z's childhood.
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So, if you haven't heard a little bit about it, the film follows Barbie as she has an existential crisis.
Margot Robbie plays her, but she's joined by Ryan Gosling, who plays Ken, and then we have
America Ferrara, Kate McKinnon, Issa Rae, and Will Farrell, and it's really a star-studded cast.
But what's been so crazy and what we really want to talk about today, of course, we're going to talk
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about the film a little bit. So, spoiler warning now, I think it was Sean to give it a little bit
earlier, but we are going to be getting into the details. So, if you haven't seen it, first of all,
get out from under your rock, go see the movie, and then come back to this episode.
Absolutely. But really what I wanted to talk about before we get into all the craziness, it's just,
how did you guys like the film? I absolutely loved this movie. I mean, I think my expectations were
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really high going into it. I knew I was going to like it. But the entire time I sat there with a huge
smile on my face, it's that perfect mix of absolutely silly and goofy and
nonsensical. Like, there is one point in the movie where one of the interns at Mattel is asking
what Barbie Land even is. He's like, is this like another dimension, or is it like a fantasy? And
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then they just go, yes. Don't think about it too hard. Don't think about it. And it's just like,
all right, I accept that. But it was just so sweet and emotional. And I know a lot of people,
like myself included cried. And I think it's just a celebration of womanhood. And absolutely just
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feminist at its core, you know, maybe not perfect, but it's absolutely something that I think moms and
little girls should see. I think men should see this single women just, I think it's just a celebration
of womenhood. Yeah. I agree. I love the movie. I was going into it again. Yeah. I guess with high
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expectations, just because of the marketing that they've been doing has been top tier. I've never really
seen marketing for a movie quite like they've done it. And they did a really good job. And it was very
powerful to watch. Just like we'll get into it. I'm sure. But the one scene just really open
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your eyes. I'm sure you guys probably know what scene I'm talking about. Yeah.
A mirror for Rare is like monologue. Yeah. That like hit me. I was like, wow, she is right.
She is a hundred percent on point about everything that she's saying right now. And I keep seeing
it on social media too. People wrote out the whole part of her script. Yeah. And I just, it's incredible.
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Definitely go see it. It's really good. When Olivia and I saw it in theaters right after
America, Ferrell is done with her speech. This woman in the audience just goes, "Hah, she's a real
deal now. Just this success parade is so so loud. It's like touching, like heart touching, like
moment. It's like the peak of the movie." And literally she goes, "Hah, and the whole theater just
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hackle as like it was the hardest we laughed throughout the whole movie. Everyone in that
theater said yes. We know. That's so funny. It was just like the funniest like live part of an audience.
And like going back to, we haven't seen movies like this in so long. Like, yeah. I feel like the last
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time I was in a movie where a theater was packed where people were like laughing and having such an
amazing time was truly like step brothers. And it's ironic that Will Ferrell is also in this. He has
a good picker. But I think the movie was just so good. And what I thought they did really well,
even though they had so much marketing, so many interviews about this movie is everything they
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told us was shown in the first like two minutes. So you were like, "Oh, I know all the stuff about the
movie, but no, you really knew nothing." And they were just like, "Oh, well, this is a rolling
intro scene." And they started like, "Can it hold you guys about enough?" But yeah, I really,
really liked the movie as a whole. But one of the things that I thought was just so so good about
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the acting and both the writing is like it was how I played with a Barbie as a kid. Like in the way
they act in Barbie land is just so spot on. You don't make her walk down the stairs. She floats from
one spot to another. You know, she doesn't actually have her hands on the steering wheel. She's just
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kind of skewed she's her along and she's just kind of talking to people as she goes. It's just like
somebody's playing with her. Yeah, and it was like the movements of their bodies. Like I think it's
you know, physical comedy is often said to be the hardest of comedies. Yeah. And I thought they
did an amazing job at balancing how would a child play with a Barbie versus if we're going to get
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into it a little bit. But if you see the internet right now, men conservative men specifically like
freaking out. It's like how does someone outrage and make you think so much like this and have such
an undertone while they're acting like how children play with a Barbie. Yeah, honestly amazing writing
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and Greta Gerwig is most famous for Lady Bird and Little Women. I'm first seen the leader of
actor. Yeah, like I I've heard it's so amazing and they're like on my to-do list. But now I feel like
I have even more reason to go and watch them after loving Barbie so much. Yeah, I would say I think
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that Greta is going to be like Sophia Coppola. Yeah. Where she really is such a good voice for women
and whenever I was initially like looking at stuff about her leading up to this movie, she is one
of eight female directors to ever be nominated for an Oscar. That's it. Eight. Yeah. My god. No.
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And it's a Barbie land. Right. But seeing the success of this movie, she just got the ability to be
the writer on Snow White in 2024. And I am so unbelievably excited. Oh, I didn't realize that.
She also got Chronicles and Arnia. I did hear that. That's insane. I'm not sure if I want another
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Chronicles. I've not even a movie. But no, I don't know. It's kind of Christian propaganda. My
love to say that. It is. I didn't know that. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, as a youth group kid growing up,
it's like Chronicles and Arnia. It's about Jesus. Which is fine if that's her thing. But you know,
I'd be interested to see where she takes it. And you know, I don't usually go and live action
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Disney movies with like eye expectations, but you know, the Snow White casting so far looks cute too.
And Creditious proven herself like, if it's going to be Fimness takes on these things, then sign me up.
Yes. Yeah. Right. It's like, it was probably layers to how she would approach it. She did take that.
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The movie I think is is such a good tale of women and mothers and daughters. Yeah.
As well. And she'd actually just had a kid. So I thought it was really interesting that both her and
her husband wrote this and then she just had a kid and you know, it kind of goes into, you know,
the themes of the message. And like, I think my favorite quote of it is us mothers stand still.
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So our daughters can see how far they've got beautiful. And it was it was just so beautiful. I
loved American Ferraris as well. But I thought that was because you always grow up and you're like,
well, I'm never going to be that person. I'm never going to be like my mom in this sense of it. And then,
you know, you look back and you're like, no, I am my mom and I'm happy to be my mom. And I think it's
it's such a cool like expression of finding yourself in the journey. And it celebrated so many
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different journeys of womanhood where your mom or your not and either way is fine. And maybe your
doctor, maybe your scientist, maybe you wrote a book, maybe you just like to do your hair and wear
print dresses. And that's fine. That doesn't make you any less powerful or any less of a feminist.
Some people have said that this movie is like Feminism 101. And maybe so. But I think that's important.
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If you see something like that and it's not a concept that you're familiar with, you can learn a
lot watching this movie. And if you go into it not expecting it, I didn't feel like it beats you
over the head. It's just kind of there. I mean, I can't want to revive the patriarchy. But he
doesn't realize what the patriarchy even is. And it's interesting watching women be treated like men
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in Barbie land. And then just watching the experience through Barbie's eyes of, oh my god,
this isn't actually how the world works. You know, you guys get caught cold and you're not in any
positions of power and just kind of watching that devastation. And I didn't solve the issues of
feminism just by existing. Like, I don't know that whole journey. What are you doing? Yeah. My favorite
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quote from the movie was when I don't remember the character's name, the little girl, the daughter
calls Barbie a fascist. She goes, control the real way. But yeah, it's kind of, you know, it goes in
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and it's, yeah, it really starts out as kind of feminism 101. Well, the women are in charge and we're
all so pretty, but also of doing things. And then it gets to the real world. And it's like, actually,
no, there's race inequality. And we have to work jobs and some of us are moms and we're struggling
and we're not good enough. And we wish, like we press ourselves and, you know, just kind of,
then it gets to that deeper level of actually, you need to go a little deeper than this.
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Which I loved. Yeah, it's quite funny. And so if you are not chronically online, like the,
all of the three of us are over here, there has been quite a bit of controversy both on,
I would probably say like far left and conservative outrage. This whole situation that'll kind of give
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a brief explainer made me be like, am I a moderate? Yeah, right. So the, the Shana kind of alluded to
it a little bit before this. It's a lot of, and there's some valid criticisms from, from these people,
right? Like they didn't like the queer representation. Like Alan is very subverted to a side character.
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And he's Ken's best friend. And he's meant like even back in the day, he's always kind of had this queer
lens thrown onto him. So they didn't love that. And then the other one is such a cursory
introduction to feminism where it's like, we've learned this in 2010 and, you know, blah, blah, blah.
But on the other side of that token, there is people like a Ben Shapiro, like going out and buying
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Barbies and giving Mattel money in the burning them. It's very odd. It's just like on the whole bunch
of blood light, just to shoot it with your, your gun. You bought the fucking blood light. You gave the money.
I'm sorry. I, I understand that this, like I said, is a very surface level view of feminism. But
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that is also coming from me and you guys who have kind of studied feminism on a deeper level and
have a deeper understanding of this and have come to terms with intersectional feminism and
uplifting the voices of women of color. I mean, if you are just getting fresh to the feminist
movement, welcome. We've been waiting for you. We're so happy to have you as well. And I think that
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this is nice to see. I will agree that it's definitely a lot of white feminism, which is why it just
makes me so angry that Lena Dunham is going to be. She's the queen of white feminism
in the queer representation. I, I made my Barbies sizzle so a lot. My Barbies were doing it.
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They were sexy. My Barbies were sexy. I mean, and they were having sex with kin too. They were
just kind of rubbing their plastic smooth bumps against each other a lot. And then my mom walked in
and found them in a precarious situation. I was like, what are you doing? And I was like, I threw
them and they landed like that. Like naked. She's on a blind turn on accident. But like,
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it's an accident, mom.
Mom, I promise. I don't even know what the thing is. I just really like dogs.
They're doing it like, they're walking like dogs too.
Yeah. Well, can and okay. So in in this film, you know, once you get to like,
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ruminate on it and think about it, like everything that happens in the real world when people are
playing with Barbies happens in Barbie land. So maybe they were, they were really getting it on.
It's been how to. But they definitely would rub. They would rub parts.
Yeah. I mean, that just, that just sounds like a grand old time, you know.
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Yeah. But it's one of my favorite ones. If you guys haven't seen on Twitter, we're calling it
at Twitter. We're not calling it X. I've set Elon's. These people were taking movie reviews and
putting them on the Barbie poster. Yeah. And so I grabbed some where it's like Barbie and alienating
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dangerous and perversive film. Yeah, let's turn the ratings down. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Nicole.
The feminist agenda will kill us all. Next one. Barbie, they won't be happy until we are all gay.
Which is true. I will not be happy until all of you are as gay as I am.
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Yeah. Well, I think we're all a little gay. So, you know, I'm happy.
I always say that to my husband. I mean, he has the biggest crush on Ryan Gosling.
And I'm like, baby, listen, in the words of, of butters from South Park. Well, a little bit bisexual.
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It's, it's so good. I mean, ultimately, I think. So his performance is, is so amazing. But I was
in the middle of the movie, looked over at Shana whenever he was like deep in his mojo, dojo,
costumes. I was like, if this was not Ryan Gosling, I would have the Ick for this actor so hard.
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But he is so hot. Like, it just can't like, uh, so bad. This movie is abs. Any chance they have
to show his abs. Oh my god. And you know who else is dummy, huh? And I wish he would have taken his
shirt off. I know. I love how he went from like, we are intersectional feminists. Yes, like woman.
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And now we're like, you know, let me make it. Let me object to my, let me object to my, the man.
Okay, listen, I just love Seemoo Liu. And I wish he took his shirt off. Listen, that's all I'm gonna say.
Literally the back flip. My favorite part is like him and Ryan are actually like still going on
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about, uh, Ryan not being able to do a back flip. Ryan is a, or I guess Ken. Ryan is a force girl.
He's a force girl. And throw. And it just makes so much sense. Ken is a force girl. Oh yeah. Okay,
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growing up back to when we had Barbies, well, you know, call you said you didn't really, but like,
how many kids did you own? We all had like 30 Barbies, but how many kids? No. I had a white and a black
kin. You had a black. Yeah. I love it. I had two kids. Um, one was, he came in a set with like crazy
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90s hair barbie or something. She had really long hair like down to the floor. And he had this like
purple, one of those jogging suits that make the swish swish noise when you walk. It was peak 90s.
So he was my kin. And then I also had Harvey Kinkle from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. And when you
pressed a button in the back of his head, he would wink his eye. He was like trying to wink. Yeah.
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I have a lot of bow. I can't wink. I can barely move. I loved that they put earring magic Ken in it.
Oh my god. It was like the most bisexual, uh, I guess gay Ken ever. Absolutely. So I was listening to
the story of how they accidentally did this because at the end, whenever they have all the weird
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Barbies, like the dog that poops or whatever, they're all these discontinued like really fricking weird,
like who approved this, who signed off on this. So Barbie, whenever they started to like fade from
relevancy, right? When it right before Bratz came out, they were trying to figure out like, okay,
how do we appeal to these millennials, right? These millennial children. And so they were like,
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we need to make Ken cool and relevant. So these people from Mattel started to go out to raves,
not knowing that a lot of the raves at the time were like gay club scenes. And so they were saying
all these men. Yeah, no, they were saying all these men with one earring in and they were like,
oh, cool fashion statement. But back in the day, that was how you would signal that you were gay.
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Yeah. And so like if you only had one in, people would know their face on the internet or something.
Yeah, it was on a certain year. So people could safely meet people in public and in these crowds.
And so they also, they had already just done like magic Barbie who like grows hair, right? So they're like,
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okay, we're going to make a magic Ken. And at the time, all these people at least gay clubs were
wearing a ring that goes around a certain body part. And so they were like, wow, what a cool fashion
statement. It was a cock ring. Yeah. And they were like, yes, in clubs at the time.
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Absolutely. Yeah. And so they were like, oh, what a cool pendant. Like that'll be so fun. And people
like immediately when it got released. Because I remember when I was in like middle school, people knew
that like you had an earring on one side. It was like seeing. And so they released a doll that was like
gay signaling and wearing a cock ring. Oh, and so people wear cock rings right now.
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It's called magic earring Ken. No, I'm talking cock ring Ken and I pressed images. This is on you now.
Wherever this goes, he's like, yeah, no, no, he's giving. He's in a mesh shirt. He's in a purple leather vest.
He's wearing a lavender mesh shirt. And literally like lavender marriage is like a relationship between
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two gay people, like a lesbian and a gay person. They get together so that they could hide.
Is that why Taylor's song is called lavender haze? I would say yes, but you know, the
the headler is my stone man and open square. If I go there. Oh my God, he's absolutely, and I love him
and I want one. Yeah. And you know, there were some really funny ones like the head midge in it,
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which if you don't know who midges, it's fucking disturbing. Like it's a little baby that you like
pull out of her. Like you can pull them and pull it out of her. And Alan was supposed to be the
father, like her boyfriend/husband. It goes back and forth, but he was supposed to be the father
of his child. Yeah, lavender marriage. Melissa. Yeah. Oh my God. It's so funny. The fact that Mattel
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let this be made, I think is amazing. Like you look at like a company like Disney. I think there
were a lot of going back to intro feminism, right? Like five, 10 years ago, there were a lot of
documentaries about like the impact that Barbie had and like how much damage she did. Like I would say
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she's almost like lumped into this group of like, and it kind of goes in that monologue where she's
like, we put all of this onto a doll. Like how fucked up are we that like we put all of this pressure
and society things on our doll that we made. Yeah. And it is really, really crazy. I think honestly
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it's going to be one of those movies that are just studied forever. And if you're like listening
to this and you're like, it's a girls movie. Like I'm just like a movie fan. I'd rather go see like an
op-inheimer. I did want to include this. If you're a movie buff, if you've loved old movies, if you
love film, Greta Gerwig did an interview with Turner Classic movies. It was amazing. It was really,
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really great. But she has a ton of references throughout. So where she pulled a big influence from
when it comes to Barbie land is the Red Shoes. But also like singing in the rain, Wizard of Oz,
an American in Paris. And we obviously had 2001 space Odyssey as that opener scene. And I just
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thought it was really, really cool. I don't know if you've actually heard this yet. But the girls,
when Barbie goes to them and meets them at the school, they're all the original Bratz dolls names.
No, they're not. They all look exactly like the Bratz dolls. Did you get that up? The call right away.
I didn't pick it up. No, but I saw it literally like right when I got out of the theater. And I was on
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the floor. Social media or whatever. So it came up. And they have the characters and they have
next to the dollar they represent. And they look identical to the dollar they're supposed to represent.
Funny, funny nod. I think that Mattel has come such a far away though. And I mean, I think they
realized that they had to kind of catch up with the times. And I watched one of the documentaries
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that was about how damaging Barbie was. And I think it was through the eyes of a Mattel employee who
was kind of trying to, I don't know, keep up with, you know, how do I reinvigorate this brand? And
they do have a lot more representation in body sizes with Barbies now. They have different heights,
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different waistlines, so many different skin colors. They have Barbies and wheelchairs. So I really
liked that they represented that in this film. And that not every Barbie was stereotypical platinum
blonde tan. You know, we had a wheelchair, a Barbie and a wheelchair on the dance floor getting down.
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And everyone was still just Barbie. So I don't know. I think that that part of it really,
you know, I could see Mattel being like, yeah, look, look, we were getting better. We're doing this.
We're putting in the time. And you know, they're not perfect, if I any means. But what capitalist
company is? I remember like right before I started like getting out of playing with Barbies,
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they had just launched like their Barbies around the world. Yeah. And it was kind of like American
girl don't where they would have like that token person from there. And then that was it. But I
think they've done a really good job at not just having like one black Barbie or one Indian Barbie and
all those things. But I think it's the best possible PR move that could have made because again,
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like they talk about in the movie, like we put so much weight on Barbie. And for them to continue,
they had to acknowledge it in a way where it wasn't like a PR statement. And it was like we get it,
we want to be better. And while they say people like me, people older than me are like reconnecting
with Barbie in a way where like I've seen a grown-ass adults go buy like five Barbies since I've seen
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this movie. I have been so to to buy Barbies. I want to go buy Barbies that look like each of my friends,
like for my friends, bachelor at party. Oh my god. If she listens to this episode, whatever spoiler,
I want to buy her like a Barbie that looks like her. And I'm sure I can find right. And it's definitely
me like dig out some of my old Barbies and just this so nostalgic. I love it. I love that so much.
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No, I love how it's making everybody reminisce. I got out my mom's old Barbies from the 60s that were
passed down to me. She had a skipper. She had a Barbie. She has a midge. She's not pregnant midge.
But she's got little fun of midge. Yes, dude. It's so cute. She's got this cute little like bangs
and flipped out red hair, little freckles. It makes me feel more connected to my mom,
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just like the movie. Every generation is kind of played with Barbie. Yeah, yeah, that's so cool.
Oh, so glad you have those. I know. They're really cool. Yeah, I looked over at China and I was like,
are you okay? In the middle of the movie. I'm holding it together. Hashtag dead mom's called.
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All right. Is that a Barbie? Dead mom Barbie. Dead mom Barbie.
Did China, baby? It's just a prince. She knows. And experimented mattress.
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Dead, too. Okay. Actually, like favorite really, really subtle reference.
And I laughed so hard. China didn't get it in the moment. I was crying at the scene where she
looks at the old lady and is like, you're beautiful. And she's like, I know. And then right after this,
they're like talking the mom, the daughter and Barbie and Gloria and Barbie are like,
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I love this. And she's like, are you two shining to each other? Which is a reference for the shining
whenever they can telepathically talk to each other. And if you didn't really pick up on this when
you saw the movie, it's like heavy, cute brick influence. And she really does quite a few nods,
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jam. So I love that. She put that in there. And she's so good. I can't praise that interview. She
did enough where she talks about her influences. Like, I love watching people create art when they
just have like such a genuine appreciation of it and love for it. And you know, the people who came
before them and who kind of paved the way. And then they take those influences respectfully and make
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it their own. I love that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. If they were going to make a pop culture junky
Barbie set. And each of us came with accessories and outfits. What accessories? What two accessories
would you come with? And what would your outfit look like? Just real quick. No pressure. Go. Okay.
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My Barbie, I know the outfit because it's very, I'm literally wearing one right now. So
it would be a yeah. It would be a silk slip dress, like a midi dress. It could be any pattern. I'm
probably black though. Let's be honest. I wear all black all the time. With some like heel boots
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that would be your outfit. My accessory would be a brick and morty bomb. And then a
it's like I have one right behind me. No, okay. Side note, super side tracked. But every time someone's
like if someone broke into your house, what would you do? Like what would be the closest thing that
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you grabbed? And it would always be my brick and morty bomb because I would have a two-pronged approach
here. Okay. It would be throwing the bomb water in their face and then hitting them with it. And
it's such thick glass that I don't even think it would break. And I'd get a if it did have a
stamping device. And then the robber leaves, you just really were like, "God, that was stressful."
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And then you're like, "Oh, that sucks." Yeah. Not to squirrel. But my other accessory because it does
exist in Bargueland is Ziggy. It would be a little Ziggy because we had sugar daddy, and he had a dog,
named sugar. So Ziggy could be a exist. So Ziggy is the dog in case anybody listening is like,
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"What the fuck is her Ziggy?" Not the bomb. Not the bomb. We did not hand the bomb.
If we did it would probably be like pick me seeks because you know it's always willing to give me
a helping hand. I think your bun's name should be Zaggy. So it can be Ziggy. Ziggy Zaggy. Ziggy and Zaggy.
Oh my god. When they had the bar between where the little girl's cutting the hair off the barbie
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and like putting her in the splits, that was just a scene from my childhood. So...
So, this girl's playing... Oh, fucking up this barbie's hair.
I can't believe it took me this long to say this, but I saw a TikTok earlier. And the person that made
weird barbie was Gloria. You see it in the flashback. And she had the words Gloria on the wall.
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And so Gloria also made weird barbie. That's hilarious. I love that. And see, I need to rewatch it.
I've got to go out with my husband. So I'll catch little things I did this game.
I got to see Oppenheimer again first. All right, what's Barbie Nicole coming with?
Mine is gonna have... I just bought this outfit and I'm obsessed with it. So it's gonna be my Barbie outfit.
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And just like a workout romper that girls have been wearing lately.
You did look cute now. It's from Amber Crombie. Oh yes, yes, you did see me in that.
Oh, because it's adorable. That is true. I forgot. See? I'll do it all the time.
My shoes would be just regular... I call them gym shoes. I'm sorry, I'm from the Midwest.
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Gym shoes, sneakers, tennis shoes. I don't know whatever you want to call them.
Tannies? Tannies. And then my two accessories would be
Chapstick because I'm always using Chapstick.
And my other accessory would be... I don't know if glasses are an accessory but like I can't see
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without these. So this would probably just be a part of my outfit actually.
My other accessory would probably be my AirPods. My big, I have AirPods Max's
The pros and I like the actual ones. Probably those so I can always listen to my music.
I love that she's got Chapstick. She's wearing pink. She's ready to run away if she needs to
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from the situation. What about you, Shana? Okay, so Barbie Shana would probably be wearing like
black, high-waisted shorts and then some kind of like mesh top with bats on it that shows off the
cleavage a little bit. But with subtle, subtle Barbie cleave. Off to the Barbie. Yeah, she's not
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slutty Barbie. She's like, she's like a decent Goth Barbie. Does she have the slut I do it on her back?
She's got slutty, I'm gonna lower back. It's scribbled nine-year-old handwriting.
I should get that tattoo. I should bring this my weird Barbie to a tattoo shop and be like,
give me this slut. Sure, my husband of eight years would love me getting a tattoo that she says.
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It's like, it's Shana. What was it? You turn it around.
Don't look a ranch. Yeah. It's from Boy the Millers. No way, Brett.
And she be wearing black platform sandals. I'm gonna copy you Olivia and she would have a little
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buffy with her, which is the dog, not the slayer. But you know, if I could hang out with a Sarah
Michelle Geller Barbie, that would be cool too. My accessory is SMG mother. My accessory is just
buffy the bandwriters. So how little buffy with me? And then probably a glass of red wine in the
other hand. Alcoholic Barbie. She's very... She's going to press and Barbie. That's different.
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I'm just depressed and Barbie. It's like, who else felt so seen during that depression bar?
It's like, I'm insulted Olivia like, with like this to me.
Like tapped me. Look at us. I saw someone be like, I'm not depression, Barbie, because I watched the
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Kiran-Ivy version. It's like that scene in Parks and Rec where Ben is depressed and he's like,
I'm not depressed. Could a depressed person do this? And it's just all these like miniature toys
that he's building. Look at all I have. Could a depressed person do this? My favorite is all the people
who are like adults who made like these like cyborg. Like the mean kid in toy story, like versions of
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their Barbie. Like one white cloth and then it's like human centipede. You get there. And they're like,
I feel so bad for her in Barbie Land. And no, that is like someone commented on the video and was like,
this is the task version of Barbie Land, which popped up movie. This came in to be Barbie. Yeah, that's
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not gonna become that. The destroyer of worse. It's so funny. Well, you know, even though Shana
went against women and and all of feminism, I did want to kind of talk about Barbie and Oppenheimer
opening weekends. So Barbie not just like beat out Oppenheimer beat some of like the records of
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all time as well. Their budget was 145 million. They made opening nine 22.2 million dollars. She
was the biggest debut between Thursday and Friday. They made 70.5 million dollars just on
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the free night. It's the biggest comedic debut of a film ever. That's insane. That's amazing. Yeah.
So really, really cool. They made so much money. And of course, it's just continuing. Today, the day
where recording is just the seven day mark. So we don't have opening week. All right, when it comes
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to Oppenheimer, Barbie, more than doubled its success. And so, you know, I mean, it's three-hour
movie. It's a hard sell. So, you know, where Oppenheimer was a great movie as well. And Oppenheimer
was rated. Yeah. So it is gonna have a smaller audience. That's able to see it or wants to
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sit through a three-hour movie. And it's definitely more violent and mature than Barbie. But
yeah, it's a second. It's opening for a R rated film. The first was the Passion of the Christ.
Oh my god. Which I saw in theaters with my youth group in the web. I've never seen it.
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I make a joke on Easter. And I'm like, should we watch Passion of the Christ every Easter?
We just don't know much Passion of the Christ with you next Easter.
It's obvious we have a picture of it. We can make, oh my god, a Passion of the Christ drink.
A blood of Christ. Yes. Yeah. It has to be wrapped.
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Oh, man, we're losing all of our our Christian listeners for sorry.
You believe it? Yes. I mean, you know, if you've made it this far, we'd love you.
Even despite your choices. You know, I do want to kind of wrap this up. Obviously,
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this was an amazing soundtrack. So many original songs, which I love to see again. I missed
one soundtracks where just everything. I loved it. Do a leap of song is such an earworm. Oh my god.
It's just such a good sad disco song. And so I'm curious to know what was your favorite song
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from the movie? My favorite song from the movie is Push by Matchbox 20.
I have this like running joke with my friends. I worked in an office years ago that would play
Matchbox 20 like multiple times an hour. And anytime they played it, I would send a Matchbox 20 gift
to the group chat of Rob Thomas from like a music video. And so the minute it came on, I was like,
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I love it. And just all the kids sitting around because women, how many of us have had that date
with a guy where he just plays acoustic guitar, and looks awkwardly into your eyes. And you don't
know how to react. And you're like, oh my god, is he going to go through the whole fucking sound?
Yes, he is. He's going to sing the entirety of Wonderwall at May, right?
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No, he's going to fuck it up. And then he's going to start over and then do the whole song 20 times.
If it was really just a song and it was a wait, oh wait, oh wait, just let's go.
This is always, we all have that naked head right now who we're thinking of who did that.
And I hope he's doing well. I don't know. God, yeah, that's why I just stopped dating people who
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played music. I was pretty scared. I think my favorite is Speed Drive by Charlie XeX, but I think the
Billie Eilish song is amazing and it was so good for the score of the movie because it's
throughout the whole movie. Yeah. And it's just so deep and so good. But I love Speed Drive.
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That unicorn. I think we can all guess. I know. It's definitely what was I made for by Billy.
I listened to it before the movie and we came out because she released it. Yeah.
Before the movie came out, so I did listen to it beforehand and the music video for it is so
cute. It's her playing with miniature Barbies of herself. And it, let's not know true Barbies of
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herself. I take the bag. It's outfits that she's worn in the past. And they're on little Barbies.
Oh, yeah. It's cute. And it's such a cute video. But definitely that again, like you said, Olivia,
it just really makes you think like just the title and itself gets you question like what was I
made for? It gets you question like why you're here kind of thing. It gets really deep. We're not
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going to do that right now, but existential. Yes. But yeah, obviously, I think we could have
all guessed. I don't know if you watched the interview. She did about it. It was pretty good. I
saw clips of it, but you know what? She really talked about like how it was the right question for,
I mean, I think she just what turned like 1920 for that age grouping. And then also it's, if you
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really listen to the words, I think it's such an interesting commentary on fame as well. Like what
was I made for? Am I just something you paid for? I'm not really real. I think that's really,
really interesting knowing what we know about Billie Eilish and kind of like the way she's been treated
especially lately. So I thought it was all around just such a beautiful movie. Very good for women.
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To round it out, a movie made for women doesn't mean it's the absence of men. I think the message
at the end really is finding your individuality and self. And so, you know, I think that you should be
not defining yourself by a relationship with somebody. And yeah, you know, men and it's definitely not
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anti-ment as anybody would say. Yeah, being pro women, being pro women does not mean anti-men. And
you know, I think if you were a man who saw this movie and maybe was a little triggered, think in
word, right? Like things that upset me and have caused emotion in me or often mirrors into myself. But
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I personally have not stopped thinking about it. I saw that like six days ago, five days ago,
can't do math. And it's all I thought about. And so I think it's a very beautiful movie. And
depending on your side, I think there's a message for everyone. I totally agree. And it is
interesting that anybody who says that it's anti-men, it's because they're seeing men being treated
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as women are used to being treated. So, oh, you guys don't like that. You don't like it when the men
are objectified and made to feel silly. Oh, that's weird because that's just the lived woman experience.
And so if it makes you uncomfortable, just realize that's the commentary, you know, like, this is what
women experience every day. Yeah, I thought it was beautiful. I loved it. I can see it being one of those
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movies that you pop on when you want to be in a good mood. And you're just like, I need something
happy to watch. I'm going to watch the Barbie movie. So, I absolutely recommend it for everybody.
10 out of five Barbies. It was Kenneth. It was Kenneth also, yeah, so good. I said this to
shot yesterday that I was like, I found these shirts that says, I am not drunk enough. And I was like,
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oh, I'm wearing these. That's it. It's so good. Yeah, thought it was very female empowering. I
walked out of it and I was like, well, I am actually very happy to be a woman right now because
after watching this, it made me realize that we can do anything and we will not stop to get
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what we want and be treated as equals to others because we deserve it just as much as everyone else.
And yeah, I really enjoyed that. The whole main cast was basically females. Obviously, men were
there, obviously, but they weren't the main point of the movie. And finally, we have a movie that's
for us. Not just us. It's for everyone obviously. So that's multiple times. But you guys get what I'm saying.
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Like, for sure. Yes. It's female for us. Yes. So nice. It's unfortunate that we had a
wait until 2023 to get this. But we have it. And I'm happy. Yes. Yes. How I love being a woman.
Well, that about wraps up this episode of Pop Culture Junkie. But before we get back into our
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boxes, Barbie Nicole and Barbie Shauna, where can listeners find you on social media?
You could find me on Instagram and TikTok @nicole_eldridge , and on
Twitter at any @naeldridge14 You can find me, Shauna, on Instagram, TikTok, and Threads @shaunatrinidad
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s-h-a-u-n-a-t-r-i-n-i-d-a-d. You can find me Olivia on Instagram @livimariez
and then on TikTok @livyolife420 Rick and Morty Bong. And you can find Pop Culture Junkie
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