March 6, 2025 • 41 mins
Pulling an Uno Reverse from their last episode about celebrity feuds, Olivia and Shauna take on celebrity best buds, looking at famous people who genuinely like each other a lot. To figure out what makes a great friendship, the Junkies examine their own iconic pop culture friendship, and determine it's down to being annoying in the same way. Are celeb BFFs like Gayle and Oprah, Snoop and Martha, Cameron and Drew, Brad and George, Jennifer and Courteney, Ben and Matt, etc. also compatibly irritating? We don't know, but it's certainly possible. But it's more likely that fame and friendship works best when both parties understand what life in show business entails, and are each other's biggest fans...just like Shauna and Olivia are.
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♪ Entertain me, Entertain me right now ♪
(00:03):
- Hello, dear listener.
You are just in time for another episode
of the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
I'm Olivia.
- And I'm Shauna.
- And on our last episode,
we talked about celebrity feuds.
So we're hitting you with an Uno Reverse for this one.
And we're talking about our favorite celebrity besties,
the duos that we cannot get enough of,
(00:25):
just like Shauna and I,
your favorite celebrity besties.
- Obviously.
- But before we dive into the friendships
that make Pop Culture,
we need to talk about the Patreon.
We think that aside from Shauna and I being besties
that our Patreon listeners are truly our besties.
So we do have a Patreon you can choose to express
(00:47):
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And at the obsessed fan level of $5 a month,
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which is an unbeatable value.
- Yes it is.
(01:07):
- So Shauna, before we dive into celebrity friendships,
I wanted to pick your brain.
What makes a good friendship to you?
- You mean just like in general?
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- What makes an iconic bestie do you?
- You're hitting me with the deep shit today.
(laughing)
(01:28):
I literally sent you a Snapchat today
of what I thought makes a good friend, which is so funny.
So, and I said in my Snapchat from earlier
that a really true friend sees the best in you
and that they in their heart know that you're a good person,
they believe in you and they always know
(01:49):
that you have their back too.
So your friend is always gonna see the best in you,
know that you have good intentions
and if you get into a disagreement,
just work it out and talk it over.
But you're always gonna have each other's backs,
I think is what makes a good friend.
- Yeah, I also think like celebrating each other's wins
is a bit piece of that.
(02:10):
Like you're kind of always that person's biggest supporter
or you're always rooting them on.
When you're not in a room, they're talking positively about you
and really just making those positive friendships
or positive energy. - There's not a good petition.
- Exactly, like if I see something amazing happen to you,
I'm not gonna be like, oh man, Olivia got to move away,
(02:31):
got a raise, no, I'm like ragging everyone.
Olivia got to move away and she's having
this wonderful apartment and like, you know what I mean?
So I totally agree with that.
You hype each other up behind each other's backs
and to each other's faces.
- Yes, absolutely.
And you know, there are so many iconic celebrity friendships
(02:51):
over the years that we've seen, you know,
across female and male friendships, you know,
when I think of iconic celebrity friends,
I think of people like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon.
We have Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.
We have Selena Gomez and Taylor Swift.
We have Leonardo DiCaprio and Toby McGuire.
We talked about her last week.
(03:12):
She was also in an iconic feud.
We have Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart, you know?
- I love that so much.
I also love that some of the people that were saying
from their famous friendships also are in famous feuds
like Taylor Swift.
But I guess that happens.
You're gonna have your besties
and you're gonna have your enemies.
- Love and hate is a thin line, you know?
(03:33):
- You know what I mean?
- You know, you love good, you hate good.
- That's fair, that's fair.
- I don't know if they say that, but, you know.
- You know what they say?
Well, you put a sandwich together on the streets.
You gotta put the mustard on the bun.
You know what I'm saying?
That's what people have been saying.
- That's what the people are saying.
- That's what the people are saying.
(03:53):
- We didn't get a newsboard at Transatlantic accent.
- Oh, when you put the mustard on the bun
and the middle of the street.
God damn it.
- And that's true friendship.
Making your friend say everything in a newsboard.
- Yes.
And knowing how to make each other laugh.
- That's the truth.
(04:14):
Brad Pitt and George Clooney are a classic friendship pairing.
You put this one on the list, I guess.
Kendall Jenner and Gigi Hadid.
Are they best friends?
- Yeah, they are really good friends.
They're kind of iconic together.
They're model besties, you know?
- Oh my god, that's like a thing.
- Yeah.
I mean twins.
(04:36):
- twins, it's basically us walking the runway together
and not eating.
- Yeah, this one's for Nicole.
- Oh, Jennifer, and Kourtney Cox.
- Yeah.
- You can have a nice, you know?
- I do love that the whole friend's cast is still like friends.
It's very sweet.
- I love that.
- Yeah, absolutely.
- So what do you think?
(04:57):
I don't know, I feel like it's so hard
and there is that classic trope
in Hollywood that marriages never last.
Why do you think some celebrity friendships last so long?
- When I think about celebrity friendships
and what we know about celebrity friendships,
a lot of the time in publicity and celebrity PR,
(05:18):
they always say that, you know, one plus one
does not equal to a lot of the time.
It really explodes you into a different level
because you have two fandoms coming together
and as well as two haters of different things.
Like one plus one is almost like four
within any type of relationship,
(05:39):
whether it's romantic, it's friendships
or it's a negative relationship where you have feuds.
And ultimately, I think that there is a financial reason
to stay friends as well.
And then I think there is this sort of trauma bond
that happens between famous people
(06:00):
where I especially feel like an a less celebrity.
There are only so many people who can relate
to the experience of celebrity and fandom
and stand on.
- That's what I'm thinking too.
It's like only a celebrity could also put up
with you being followed around, right?
(06:21):
Like, Kindle and GG.
I mean, you can't just be friends with Kindle Jenner
and not be okay with, you're gonna get photographed at brunch.
You're gonna get photographed at the mall.
You can't just do normal shit like you and I
just go thrifting and sit at the bar and have a beer, right?
It's gonna be next level.
Like you have to know what you're signing up for.
And I do always like it when I see pictures and articles
(06:44):
and stuff of celebrities who still have their friends
from childhood.
- Yep.
- Hillary Duff posts a lot of pictures with just like
a big gaggle of girls and then I'll go to some other profiles
and they have like a thousand followers.
And I'm like, oh, that's just like her friend
from like growing up and I love to do that too.
(07:05):
But again, I mean, that's Hillary Duffers
like Kindle Jenner, like levels of fame.
So it's like, I don't know.
I would be curious, you know, how often really
fucking famous people are just like,
let me catch up with that girl from high school.
- Yeah, I almost think of like so, you know,
it's shocker we're talking about her.
(07:26):
Taylor Swift.
She is still really good friends with Abigail,
who's the girl that she wrote 15 about.
- Oh, cute.
- And Abigail has become a like,
Swiftie celebrity in her own right.
And there are certain types of people who are chasing that.
(07:48):
But I can only imagine like as a plebe as a regular person
who only wants to be a regular person,
that would be incredibly hard where like people
are even trying to get close to this regular person
because they could eventually one day get close to that celebrity.
(08:08):
- Very frustrating.
Or they're just like, you think you're making a new friend.
So what's Taylor like?
I don't even like me.
- You do?
- Yes.
- Yeah.
- So I think that among those friendships,
there's a level of knowing and like shared experience
and kind of like similar states, right?
(08:29):
Like, oh, I would love to go to Jenner with you,
but I have to bring my six bodyguards.
Or if you want to post a picture with me,
you have to meet with my publicist before
and make sure you're not like saying the wrong thing.
Oh, if you want to even be around me,
you have to be perfectly clean on social media.
You can't have a problematic past.
Where I think there is this level of that.
(08:50):
But at the same time, you know, Hollywood is a very
doggy dog world.
So I think that a month, like the reason that we gravitate
to so many of these celebrity friendships
as well is because when we see that solidarity among people,
we're like, oh, good, they're not like
- They're just like a beauty.
- They're not, yeah.
- They're not all pieces of shit.
(09:11):
My fave lady Gaga has some of her old friends
still from back before she was famous.
One of her best friends, it's either Sonya or Sanja Durum
passed away from cancer years ago
and Gaga was just, I remember, so grief-stricken.
And then she is still friends with Lady Starlight.
(09:32):
- Who started - who were touring with Gaga
when she was first in the New York club,
seeing it was like the Lady Gaga Lady Starlight debut review.
Like it was the two of them.
And so they're still friends.
So I do like to see that, but I agree.
You gotta know what you're signing up for
when you're friends with a celebrity.
- Which is what we tell our friends all the time.
- Yeah. - You know.
(09:53):
- You gotta be prepared for this.
- I'm gonna prepare this space.
- We'll send you with a bridge.
- Right.
- We stopped in the streets.
I hope that's okay.
(laughing)
Oh, that's just because we're obnoxious in public.
Oh, okay.
Okay, okay, okay.
You got it, got it.
(dramatic music)
- We talked a little bit about celebrity duos
(10:16):
that are most commonly known or talked about
in the zeitgeist in the world.
But, Shana, I wanna know the celebrity duos
that captivate you the most.
The ones that you find yourself thinking about
and thinking rich people goals.
- Who do I think about when I lay in bed at night?
(laughing)
- That's a different question.
That's a different question.
(10:37):
- Oprah.
(laughing)
- So I think-- - Let's unpack that.
Let's unpack that.
- Let's go through this a little bit.
Oprah is goals.
And part of one of the most iconic friendships,
I think, in entertainment,
and that is Oprah Winfrey and Gail King.
Their friendship has spanned nearly five decades.
(10:57):
So, their friendship began in 1976
when they were both working at the WJZ TV station in Baltimore.
Oprah was a 22-year-old news anchor
and Gail was the 21-year-old production assistant.
There was a snowstorm in Baltimore
and Oprah offered Gail a place to stay at her apartment
and they just stayed up all night,
chatting and became best friends.
(11:18):
- You kidding me?
- Oh, okay.
- Love that.
Their friendship was just unshakable and still is.
Gail was on the Oprah show all of the time.
Just literally, here's my best friend, Gail.
Oprah had a magazine called O,
mm-hmm, which ran from 2000 to 2020
and Gail was an editor.
(11:39):
And Oprah has said that Gail is the person who knows her best
and as referred to as the mother,
I never had the sister everybody would want.
The friend everybody deserves.
And like any good girl on girl friendship
and I guess boy and boy friendship, any good friendship ever.
People have always speculated that they might be more than friends.
(12:01):
- Ooh, yes.
- It's not a celebrity female friendship unless they say,
are you two, Sizzling?
- Are you guys like Gail?
- Are you like Sizzling?
- I just, you know, people ever say that
about Ben Aff, like I'm at Damon, do they?
- Do they?
- Yeah, there are a lot of game rumors about that.
- Are there?
- I don't know if they're Sizzling or Ring.
(12:21):
I don't know if that's the mechanics of it.
- I don't think that's what Gail guys do.
- I don't think they're Sizzling or Ring.
- I don't think they're Sizzling or Ring.
- Bum, butt, butt.
- Light to butt.
(laughing)
- Airstri, airstri, airstri.
(laughing)
That is such a dark part of the movie
and I quote it all of the time.
(12:42):
- Anyway, how can you not?
- Repaying for a drink.
- Sizzling.
- Oh, thank you.
Yes.
- Terrible, horrible, wonderful movie.
Anyway, Oprah and Gail.
- Oh, that's cool.
- Oprah has been with Steadman for decades
and Gail came out to be married now.
His name is William Bumpus, which is an old name.
That's a cool fucking, oh never mind.
(13:04):
They were married for one year.
- Oh.
- I don't think she's--
- Oh, that didn't help the gay rumours.
- No.
(laughing)
They were married for one year.
I don't think she's married anymore.
- Well, yeah, Gail Bumpus.
- Gail Bumpus is a sick fucking name.
And then the next cool result is
are Oprah and Gail in a relationship?
(13:25):
(laughing)
A friendship line.
But yeah, I love them.
I think that Oprah is one of the most famous people
in the entire planet.
And for her to have a female friendship
that has lasted five decades,
where they support each other privately,
publicly vacations, all of that stuff,
(13:45):
support each other.
It's like you mentioned earlier,
always rooting for each other.
That'd be like if I had Shana Magazine
and you were an editor, you had like,
oh yeah, and I can see it and I was the editor.
Like, I love that.
So--
- Absolutely.
- Oh, Brango.
- We can even keep it as, oh, oh my God.
We could call it so magazine, like Shana, I don't love it.
(14:07):
So--
- Branding.
- Let's do it.
- I should start in a magazine.
We're channeling Oprah and Gail.
- And we are.
- So I think when I think back
to my most iconic celebrity friendship,
one I would wanna be a part of, a third wheel,
I would wanna be either of them.
(14:28):
I really think of Cameron Diaz and Drew Barrymore.
- Yes, I love them.
- Their friendship has spanned since Drew Barrymore
was 14, Cameron Diaz was 16,
they actually now--
- I think that was that long.
- Oh my gosh, yeah.
- Yeah, they're adorable.
So they met in a coffee shop that Diaz was working in.
(14:50):
She was a model at the time.
She hadn't gotten picked up in anything really famous
and she was mainly trying to be a model.
It was like a coffee soda shop thing.
- Oh, okay.
- And Drew Barrymore when she wasn't clubbing at 14.
- Right, she's going to this coffee shop.
- And we heard autobiography, by the way,
(15:10):
Little Girl Law.
- I think it's on, it's insane.
Like, it's kind of interesting.
So I don't know if she's retracted this.
She has said that she doesn't want people to read that.
- Really?
- And he wore it because, yeah,
she was in such like a dark place
and it wasn't like authentic or true.
And she was really kind of like covering up
(15:31):
what was really going on with her back then.
So, but I mean, if you've already been--
- Drew, release an updated book.
I read it in high school.
I think I wrote a book report on it.
- Like, that's a dark subject matter.
But if you, our unfamiliar Drew Barrymore was going through
a addiction or her mother was taking her clubbing,
she was doing a lot of things that are 14,
(15:53):
even younger than that, Lynette.
- Yeah, she's like a girl.
- She's like 14 year old.
- She should not be doing.
And so she was kind of in this dark night of the soul.
Her and Cameradia's were friends throughout this.
Drew Barrymore kind of went out in spotlight,
went to rehab, tried to fix herself.
Cameradia's became super famous in the mask in 1994.
And Drew Barrymore came back as like Poison Ivy in 1992.
(16:17):
- Oh, yeah.
- They made the early 80s, made this return to film
in the 90s.
And we're both seen as these kind of darlings of film.
And cinema, we were really introduced to them
as this iconic duo in Charlie's Angels with Lucy Lou.
Yeah.
- Yes, you've probably seen that iconic photo of Drew
(16:39):
in the leather pants holding the bottle of champagne.
Their tour bus actually broke down on the way to the premiere.
And so they just get out of the car
and bring the alcohol with them and walk to the premiere.
And that's where that goes from.
- That sounds like me and you, all this time.
- Like, Scroa.
- Yeah, I just got an opportunity to shoot with it.
(laughing)
(17:00):
- So Drew Barrymore produced Charlie's Angels
and ultimately their friendship continued through those movies
and has continued.
- How cute.
- They stayed really close when I forgot about this.
Drew Barrymore was married to Tom Green
for also one year.
- Oh, that's right.
(17:21):
He was in Charlie's Angels.
The Chad was great.
- The Chad was great.
- She's like, yes.
- How was the Chad?
- Yes, God.
- You know, there were some ups and downs,
manly down being marrying Tom Green.
We all make choices.
They've remained private friends, public friends.
(17:42):
They have really kind of made a return recently
to embracing their friendship
and really talking about each other.
They have some adorable Instagram posts
about how much they love each other.
So definitely check out their Instagram for that.
- How cute.
I didn't know that they had known each other for that long.
That's adorable.
(18:02):
- Yeah, so they met when Drew was super down
who's still famous, but Dee was not a household name,
but it's a beautiful friendship
and Drew Barrymore unfortunately was a scab this past year,
but I do love her.
I think she's been through a lot.
- I like her a lot too.
I'll cut her some slack.
I think she seems like she means well,
(18:24):
she seems like she has a really big heart.
Apparently not for union workers,
no, not for union workers.
(laughing)
For everyone else to take unions.
- Anyone who's sitting on the sofa,
she's like wants to crawl into their lap
- Absolutely.
- to their skin, their face, like,
can I keep you in my walls?
Yeah, so.
(18:45):
- Literally.
- So funny.
- So yeah, I think that's my most iconic.
- I love that.
(dramatic music)
We're talking about female friendships,
but I think that's just because we love each other so much.
There are a lot of amazing male friendships out there,
obviously too.
And I think there should be more men who express their love
(19:07):
for the other men in a friendship manner
and without making, I don't know.
Guys are always so weird about expressing
that they like each other.
It's like you ask,
ask my husband who is best friend
and he's just like,
(grunting)
- What?
- Who?
- Oh, yeah, I guess he's okay.
- That man that you've known for 30 years is okay.
(19:27):
All right, I digress.
(laughing)
- Female friendships is where it's at.
This one is sad,
but I think it is amazing and iconic and beautiful
Sarah Michelle Geller and Shannon Doherty.
So they shared a close friendship that began
in the late 1990s and early 2000s
during both of their peak television fame.
(19:49):
And it continued up until Shannon Doherty's death last year.
So here's a little break down.
So Sarah and Shannon were both in TV in the 1990s.
Sarah obviously was buffy, my favorite,
a buffy the vampire slayer
and Shannon was prue, hollow, well, uncharmed.
So they were both kind of in that fantasy,
(20:10):
witch and slayer type television series.
- Both on the WB.
- They were both on the WB, exactly.
So they both shared a connection, shared experiences,
young actresses on the WB,
kind of met through those cast things.
So throughout their careers,
they have been absolutely inseparable.
(20:31):
Soma Blayer is part of that friendship career as well.
Their pictures on Instagram were always so adorable.
I remember one with the three of them doing that trend
where it's like, you and I should try this at the time.
I'm surprised we have it.
One person sits like between another person's legs,
like almost in their lap,
who puts a champagne glass in their mouth
and like, it's sit back and tries to get,
(20:53):
they're like, champagne in the other girl's mouth.
Anyway, it always ends in disaster.
- We're trying to get a shower.
- What's your contest?
- A little golden shower.
- Okay, not bad.
- Oh god.
- I meant, I meant Pino N' War.
Oh god.
Anyway, these two queens have gotten invocations together.
They shared a mutual love of cooking and entertaining,
(21:16):
personal life milestones,
each other to support each other's with babies
and weddings.
Shannon Doherty was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2015.
She went into remission, but unfortunately,
it returned as stage four in 2020.
Sarah Michelle Geller publicly supported Doherty
on social media all the time.
(21:36):
Throughout her struggle was always visiting her,
always posting pictures about her.
Tragically, Shannon did pass away in July 2024.
Since then, Sarah Michelle Geller has posted
a lot of tributes to her friend, Shannon,
highlighting their friendship over the past three decades.
She praised her strength, resilience,
(21:57):
and fighting spirit throughout her battle of cancer.
So, very sad, ended, you know, short,
I don't know, that just breaks my heart.
I can't imagine losing your best friend of 30 years like that.
So, heart goes out to Sarah Michelle Geller
and that is a beautiful friendship
(22:17):
that she should always celebrate in whole close.
- I would do anything to be besties
with Sarah Michelle Geller.
- Oh my god, right.
I know, and I know her and Selma Blair are still friends.
Selma has, I liked her so much
and she's definitely made some weird comments
in the last year about like Islam
(22:37):
and just, I don't know, she has some interesting
public statements that she's made.
- Yeah, she's also very good.
- Yeah, she's also going through MS.
- Yes, she is going through a huge, you know,
health crisis that I could never imagine either.
So, but yeah, Sarah Michelle Geller
hanging on to her girlfriends and her husband, listen.
(22:59):
- Yeah.
- She has also been with her husband,
Freddie Prince Jr. for decades.
So, my girl doesn't just love a mendigem.
She holds on to that.
- It's all good.
- I mean, we'll stop believing in love
if they ain't ever good to divorce.
- Oh my god, no, if they get a divorce,
I'm getting a divorce.
Like it's gonna happen.
(laughing)
- Sarah Michelle Geller said I had to, I'm sorry.
(23:20):
- I'm so sorry.
- I don't believe them up anymore.
- I have to end this.
(laughing)
- I'm just kidding, babe.
I'm just kidding.
- He's not listening here to say.
- He's not listening.
- He's playing Marvel rivals right now
with his headphones onto, I'm sure he's not.
- So, I think that this friendship,
it really is a testament to the shared trauma bond
(23:44):
of it all that happens as well.
So, the next friendship that I really, really love
and started at a very young age as well
is Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams.
- Oh yeah, they're so cute.
Are they still friends?
- Yes, they are.
So, they are Sansa and Arya within the Game of Thrones.
They both were in the North for a lot of their early seasons
(24:09):
as well.
I mean, Sansa, spoiler alert first show that I ended
and was widely talked about.
- Oh, really?
- Sansa eventually goes to King's Landing,
but a lot of the first season they are together
and they were incredibly young when they first started
the show, their characters are very young.
And so, they became really good friends.
(24:32):
Instantly, Maisie Williams is quoted
kind of in that early audition process and says,
like, even if I don't get the part,
I really want that girl to be my friend.
She's really cool.
- Oh, that's so cute.
- Right.
(laughing)
And, Sophie has been quoted saying, like, Maisie was special.
We just got on like that.
They were super, super close and spent a lot of time together.
(24:55):
The show filmed for an incredibly long time,
went on for an even longer time in their premieres.
I think their carpool karaoke is one of the funniest things
in the world.
- Oh, it's so cute.
- When Sansa's like pretending to be dead star.
- Oh no.
- It cracks me up.
- It cracks me up so much.
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- On the show, it's so serious and the stakes are so dire
and both of them are going through like horrific trauma
and watching their dad's head cut off.
And then behind the scenes, they're so unserious.
That's what I love about that cast so much
is like all of the behind the scenes,
they just switch immediately to being like big goofballs,
(25:38):
like every single one of them.
So, I love it.
- So I love all of them.
- I love all of them.
- You feel like you have to when the subject matter
is so heavy.
- Yeah, can we please be silly now?
(laughs)
- Yeah, and Game of Thrones is kind of especially that part
of the story of Game of Thrones,
(25:58):
how's the dragon is a little bit better,
but it is very brutal to women.
- Yeah, exactly.
- So I can't imagine being like 15
and working through that subject material
and then trying to portray it,
like Sansa, especially it just gets brutalized
throughout that whole show.
- She's a little badass and like a warrior.
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And Sansa's just like, here's this terrible man to marry.
Okay, here's this new terrible man to marry.
I mean, Tyrion, he was a show.
- Yeah, but you know.
So the subject matter, just the difficulty
of being away really bonded them.
In 2016, they got matching tattoos, commemorating
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the date they learned that they had been cast.
So it's 0809 is the date that they got tattooed.
So 789.
And they did the iconic Carpool karaoke during the last season,
whenever Sophie Turner got married to Joe Jonas,
she was a bride's man.
- All right, okay.
- All right, okay.
- Yeah, well, he's still alive,
(27:05):
but the relationship isn't.
(laughs)
- I think Sophie Turner is just so funny and so iconic.
Like that video.
- I think I had the hockey game where she chugs
the glass of wine and then like dabs.
- She is just so--
- That was back when dabbing was big.
- Oh my God, let's bring back dabbing.
- Please?
- Yeah.
- She's just so unserious.
(27:26):
I love any celebrity like that who can just be like,
I don't know.
I already said this, just be a goofball.
Just be a li--
- Yeah.
- A silly goober, please.
That's all I want to tell you.
So after you listen in this episode,
watch their carpool karaoke, it's absolutely hilarious.
- It'll smile on your face.
- They publicly support each other.
They always talk about how they will always be close
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and they're each other's soulmates
and just really have that mutual growth.
I have a lot of friends that I've had since a very young age.
I know you have as well.
I'm sensing a theme here.
I picked two red chips that started at very young ages.
I think there's something so beautiful about changing
completely as a person.
(28:08):
I hope you've changed completely as a person since you were 16.
- Oh no, I'm the same, exactly the same as I was.
Here are the rings and bibles.
- Oh God.
But, you know, so I think that's something beautiful
with changing as a person and those friendships
like evolving and growing and standing.
- Sticking with somebody through, yeah,
through every stage of your life.
(28:29):
Like, I have friends who have literally seen me
through tragedy, through triumph, through my wedding,
through them getting married and divorces and babies
and moving.
I've had friends who have moved across the country
and then come back and then I, you know,
it's just, those are the ones that really stand
the test of time.
But then also there's those friends that you make
(28:51):
in your 20s who are like with you through
that transformative time where you're like,
you finally are starting to kind of feel like a grownup.
Like when you and I met, you know.
I have one more friendship that I'm gonna shout out.
I'm not gonna go into details,
but I know you have one more to.
But I gotta give some love to Steve Martin
and Martin Short.
They're so cute.
- I love that.
(29:11):
Oh my God.
- I love that Martin Short and Mariel Stryford dating now.
Oh my God, right.
It's amazing.
Do you watch only markers in the building?
I don't remember.
- No, I still need to.
But they just want a sad look.
- Yeah.
I loved it.
You should watch it.
It's hilarious.
And they are both adorable on it.
But yeah, that's my little final shout out.
(29:34):
- I think that they're cute.
They're adorable.
We love a long lasting straight van friendship.
I'm also gonna throw a male friendship into the mix.
Not straight, but we have Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen.
Oh my God, I love them.
- If you didn't know, it was actually intended
to be a romantic relationship.
(29:56):
So I'm gonna try to set them up on a blind date.
- Really?
- Not Gwen, but Tommy never worked.
Anderson Cooper obviously flying around the world,
being a news anchor.
And so their romantic connection never prospered,
but they ultimately became really good friends.
- I think they are close friends.
- I love it when they let them drink on New Year's.
(30:18):
Like let these in.
- And all the fans every year,
like let these men drink for the left of them.
- Let these win drink.
- Well, Andy Cohen was definitely doing more than drinking
in 2020.
And that's why they didn't let him drink in 2021.
You could see some of it.
- Ew.
- It's his skin.
- Yeah, how did it is known?
- The bass room.
- It's a little bit too much.
(30:39):
- Yeah, and so that was why they had to cut him off.
But no, I think that Andy Cohen,
he's such a silly goofy guy as well.
And like he's on, watch what happens, lies.
And like his whole brand is getting people to crack,
getting drunk, like saying crazy things.
And then Anderson Cooper is so straight-laced.
- Yes, kind of serious.
(31:01):
It's perfect.
- And he just messes with him like the whole time.
- Yeah, he brings a whole humanness
to Anderson Cooper as well.
So I really love their friendship.
I think they're silly.
And then now they're both dads and moving into that life.
So you would never put them together,
but when you do, it's kind of hilarious and funny.
(31:23):
- Yeah, I love this like opposites attract kind of thing.
Like it's super Martha, I think it's perfect.
And then you have bitches like us who everyone's like,
are you guys sisters?
(laughs)
- Nope, just annoying in the same way.
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- So Shana, what have you been up to?
(31:45):
- Oh God.
- Huh?
- Working Valentine's Day.
Oh, Mike, you're wedding anniversary at Il.
- Oh, I love.
- My tenure wedding anniversary is this weekend.
So.
- Oh, cute.
- What are you guys gonna do?
- Thank you.
We have dinner reservations at this place called El by Rose.
(32:06):
How perfect is that?
- It is.
- Yeah, I've never been,
but it's supposedly very delicious, fancy, mixed and food.
And Scottsdale, Arizona.
- And then I think we're just gonna spend the weekend
together watching movies.
We have been rewatching every single Star Wars movie.
When I say we, I mean, me and my husband Andrew do
in the sinners.
(32:27):
- So we had a little back and forth.
We couldn't decide if we wanted to rewatch all of them
in chronological order, like episode 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,
or if we wanted to do release date order.
- Which would be.
- 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9.
(laughs)
So we ended up doing that.
So we ended up, we watched all three, 1970s and 80s Star Wars.
(32:51):
And then last night we watched Phantom Menace,
which is,
God, I watched this movie once before this.
And it was in 1999 in a movie theater when I was 10 years old.
- Yeah, I don't know if we're on to Melier.
- Oh God, it's Anakin Skywalker.
So it's the guy who grows up to be Darth Vader.
- Oh, yeah.
- This is origin story.
So it's Emma's a little kid.
(33:12):
There are some great spots in it.
Like Iwem McGregor plays Obi-Wan Kenobi and he is amazing.
Darth Maul is great, but the graphics and like charge our binks,
I wanted to end it all.
Yeah, I, me so I watched my life watching this movie.
Like it was so bad.
- I love that so much.
(33:34):
- Yeah, so that's what we're up to.
Watching Star Wars, enjoy our marriage.
- Okay.
How about you?
(laughs)
- So I said it was texting, "Chana, I am now by the end of the night.
I am on 13 books in this year."
- I need to know all about this book
that made you cry earlier.
(33:54):
- Oh my God, yes.
Dear listener, she sends me this snapshot of just,
tears just running down her face.
Like who are you?
A book?
A book?
No, I was like, "Oh God, I'm crying."
And we recorded in like 45 minutes of it.
I had to redo all of my makeup.
- You look amazing.
(34:15):
You know, I had to pull my shit out from my bootstrap.
So it's called the seven year slip.
I have never read the author before.
It is, we see it each by Ashley Poston.
And it's actually like really, really cute.
So it's a magical realism book.
(34:36):
It's a romance book.
I've been really into romance.
I'm trying to trick myself into thinking I,
I want a relationship right now.
So you really just want to get dicked down by a fairy,
a guy who was covered in shadows.
- Yeah, well that's why I'm trying to read
more real life romances.
(34:56):
- Okay.
- And sometimes I'm going to read more real life romances
'cause I'm like, okay, I'm never gonna find
a seven foot fey who's jacked out of his mind
and only wants me for me because I mean to him.
Like that's just not gonna happen in the real world.
So I need a grumpy sunshine, I'm the grumpy,
they're the sunshine and exist in some sort of world.
(35:19):
So it's magical realism where it's our world
that there is like a light element of magic within it.
- Okay, I'm happy to know.
- And to this book specifically,
it is called the seven year slip
and it's this woman who is dealing with her ant
who passed away.
She inherits this apartment and this apartment is magic
(35:39):
and it can basically sense her back seven years in time.
And so it's called the seven year slip
and it's absolutely beautiful.
I was crying my eyes out because the ant
on the lives herself and I've talked about it before in my ant.
- Oh yeah.
- And it's very similar to my ant.
(36:00):
So it was like, oh my God.
- Oh my God, I'm so happy.
- Oh my God, but it is beautiful.
I started it last night.
I'm almost done.
- Jesus, I'm gorgeous.
- I am.
- You sleep.
- I do sleep, but I'm alone in a new city.
I don't have a relationship.
Like I, you know, like I have so much time.
(36:22):
- Yeah, that's fair.
- In like people in my life who are like married
and have children, they're like, how do you read so much?
And I was like, because I don't have person
or a little person to take care of.
I just come to you.
- I'll come to you a little person to take care of.
- You can be my little person.
You can be my person anytime, anytime, honey.
- Thanks, mummy.
- Yes.
(laughs)
(36:43):
So I've just been reading with a porosity,
but it's really, really good.
I also had read, I think this will be my seventh book
that in February.
So I've been month crazy in February.
I've been reading a lot of MLA Henry,
which is like very low stakes real life romance book.
- Okay.
- And just absolutely loving it.
However, I also watched the first two episodes
(37:07):
of White Lotus.
So good.
You need to watch it.
- Is it good this season?
- Yes.
- I haven't even watched these two.
- They change, you don't have to, they're all separate.
- Yeah.
- So the intro song, they changed it.
I'm pissed about it.
- I did see a lot of people in social media
were upset that they changed the song.
I don't know why they would do that.
(37:28):
- It's iconic.
Everybody loves it.
They didn't change it for season two.
I don't know why they changed it for season three.
- If you have a theme song like that,
it's like Game of Thrones.
They ran with the theme song,
even into House of the Dragon.
They're like, oh, you want this banger banger?
♪ Bang, bang, bang ♪
♪ Bang, bang, bang ♪
♪ We got this ♪ - Peter D. - It's Peter D.
- It's Peter D. - Yeah, exactly.
(37:49):
They shouldn't have changed it.
So that's kind of annoying.
I am really liking the season.
My mom called me yesterday and was like,
"Have you watched White Lotus?"
Yeah, so even my mom is in on it.
She's like, "Hell yeah, this is so good."
- I gotta get in on it.
I gotta start.
- But definitely,
would pop seven year slip and...
- White Lotus.
(38:10):
- And I'm gonna pop Star Wars in general.
And next level chef with Gordon Ramsay
because it is back for New Season, and we love that show.
- Yeah, and Reeves is the fanfic episode
to know just how much we like Gordon Ramsay.
- Oh God, he's so angry and thick.
- He's a lamb sauce.
(38:34):
- He's a lamb sauce.
- Give us some of that lamb sauce, Gordon.
- Spaced me on your lamb sauce.
- On that note,
Shona, what's the best way for our future best friends
to find us?
- First of all, no new friends.
- But you can follow me just kidding.
- Only Patreon subscribers.
(38:55):
- Literally, Patreon subscribers, y'all can be my friend.
I don't do this shit for free.
- Anyway.
(laughing)
- I do.
- I do.
- I do it just for free.
- Goodbye, we had social media though.
- @shaunatrinidad, S-H-A-U-N-A-T-R-I-N-I-D-A-D,
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(39:15):
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- Hello, dear listener.
You are just in time for another episode
of the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
I'm Olivia.
- And I'm Shauna.
- And on our last episode,
we talked about celebrity feuds.
So we're hitting you with an Uno Reverse for this one.
And we're talking about our favorite celebrity besties,
the duos that we cannot get enough of,
(00:25):
just like Shauna and I,
your favorite celebrity besties.
- Obviously.
- But before we dive into the friendships
that make Pop Culture,
we need to talk about the Patreon.
We think that aside from Shauna and I being besties
that our Patreon listeners are truly our besties.
So we do have a Patreon you can choose to express
(00:47):
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on an episode of the show.
And at the obsessed fan level of $5 a month,
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- Yes it is.
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- So Shauna, before we dive into celebrity friendships,
I wanted to pick your brain.
What makes a good friendship to you?
- You mean just like in general?
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- What makes an iconic bestie do you?
- You're hitting me with the deep shit today.
(laughing)
(01:28):
I literally sent you a Snapchat today
of what I thought makes a good friend, which is so funny.
So, and I said in my Snapchat from earlier
that a really true friend sees the best in you
and that they in their heart know that you're a good person,
they believe in you and they always know
(01:49):
that you have their back too.
So your friend is always gonna see the best in you,
know that you have good intentions
and if you get into a disagreement,
just work it out and talk it over.
But you're always gonna have each other's backs,
I think is what makes a good friend.
- Yeah, I also think like celebrating each other's wins
is a bit piece of that.
(02:10):
Like you're kind of always that person's biggest supporter
or you're always rooting them on.
When you're not in a room, they're talking positively about you
and really just making those positive friendships
or positive energy. - There's not a good petition.
- Exactly, like if I see something amazing happen to you,
I'm not gonna be like, oh man, Olivia got to move away,
(02:31):
got a raise, no, I'm like ragging everyone.
Olivia got to move away and she's having
this wonderful apartment and like, you know what I mean?
So I totally agree with that.
You hype each other up behind each other's backs
and to each other's faces.
- Yes, absolutely.
And you know, there are so many iconic celebrity friendships
(02:51):
over the years that we've seen, you know,
across female and male friendships, you know,
when I think of iconic celebrity friends,
I think of people like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon.
We have Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.
We have Selena Gomez and Taylor Swift.
We have Leonardo DiCaprio and Toby McGuire.
We talked about her last week.
(03:12):
She was also in an iconic feud.
We have Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart, you know?
- I love that so much.
I also love that some of the people that were saying
from their famous friendships also are in famous feuds
like Taylor Swift.
But I guess that happens.
You're gonna have your besties
and you're gonna have your enemies.
- Love and hate is a thin line, you know?
(03:33):
- You know what I mean?
- You know, you love good, you hate good.
- That's fair, that's fair.
- I don't know if they say that, but, you know.
- You know what they say?
Well, you put a sandwich together on the streets.
You gotta put the mustard on the bun.
You know what I'm saying?
That's what people have been saying.
- That's what the people are saying.
- That's what the people are saying.
(03:53):
- We didn't get a newsboard at Transatlantic accent.
- Oh, when you put the mustard on the bun
and the middle of the street.
God damn it.
- And that's true friendship.
Making your friend say everything in a newsboard.
- Yes.
And knowing how to make each other laugh.
- That's the truth.
(04:14):
Brad Pitt and George Clooney are a classic friendship pairing.
You put this one on the list, I guess.
Kendall Jenner and Gigi Hadid.
Are they best friends?
- Yeah, they are really good friends.
They're kind of iconic together.
They're model besties, you know?
- Oh my god, that's like a thing.
- Yeah.
I mean twins.
(04:36):
- twins, it's basically us walking the runway together
and not eating.
- Yeah, this one's for Nicole.
- Oh, Jennifer, and Kourtney Cox.
- Yeah.
- You can have a nice, you know?
- I do love that the whole friend's cast is still like friends.
It's very sweet.
- I love that.
- Yeah, absolutely.
- So what do you think?
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I don't know, I feel like it's so hard
and there is that classic trope
in Hollywood that marriages never last.
Why do you think some celebrity friendships last so long?
- When I think about celebrity friendships
and what we know about celebrity friendships,
a lot of the time in publicity and celebrity PR,
(05:18):
they always say that, you know, one plus one
does not equal to a lot of the time.
It really explodes you into a different level
because you have two fandoms coming together
and as well as two haters of different things.
Like one plus one is almost like four
within any type of relationship,
(05:39):
whether it's romantic, it's friendships
or it's a negative relationship where you have feuds.
And ultimately, I think that there is a financial reason
to stay friends as well.
And then I think there is this sort of trauma bond
that happens between famous people
(06:00):
where I especially feel like an a less celebrity.
There are only so many people who can relate
to the experience of celebrity and fandom
and stand on.
- That's what I'm thinking too.
It's like only a celebrity could also put up
with you being followed around, right?
(06:21):
Like, Kindle and GG.
I mean, you can't just be friends with Kindle Jenner
and not be okay with, you're gonna get photographed at brunch.
You're gonna get photographed at the mall.
You can't just do normal shit like you and I
just go thrifting and sit at the bar and have a beer, right?
It's gonna be next level.
Like you have to know what you're signing up for.
And I do always like it when I see pictures and articles
(06:44):
and stuff of celebrities who still have their friends
from childhood.
- Yep.
- Hillary Duff posts a lot of pictures with just like
a big gaggle of girls and then I'll go to some other profiles
and they have like a thousand followers.
And I'm like, oh, that's just like her friend
from like growing up and I love to do that too.
(07:05):
But again, I mean, that's Hillary Duffers
like Kindle Jenner, like levels of fame.
So it's like, I don't know.
I would be curious, you know, how often really
fucking famous people are just like,
let me catch up with that girl from high school.
- Yeah, I almost think of like so, you know,
it's shocker we're talking about her.
(07:26):
Taylor Swift.
She is still really good friends with Abigail,
who's the girl that she wrote 15 about.
- Oh, cute.
- And Abigail has become a like,
Swiftie celebrity in her own right.
And there are certain types of people who are chasing that.
(07:48):
But I can only imagine like as a plebe as a regular person
who only wants to be a regular person,
that would be incredibly hard where like people
are even trying to get close to this regular person
because they could eventually one day get close to that celebrity.
(08:08):
- Very frustrating.
Or they're just like, you think you're making a new friend.
So what's Taylor like?
I don't even like me.
- You do?
- Yes.
- Yeah.
- So I think that among those friendships,
there's a level of knowing and like shared experience
and kind of like similar states, right?
(08:29):
Like, oh, I would love to go to Jenner with you,
but I have to bring my six bodyguards.
Or if you want to post a picture with me,
you have to meet with my publicist before
and make sure you're not like saying the wrong thing.
Oh, if you want to even be around me,
you have to be perfectly clean on social media.
You can't have a problematic past.
Where I think there is this level of that.
(08:50):
But at the same time, you know, Hollywood is a very
doggy dog world.
So I think that a month, like the reason that we gravitate
to so many of these celebrity friendships
as well is because when we see that solidarity among people,
we're like, oh, good, they're not like
- They're just like a beauty.
- They're not, yeah.
- They're not all pieces of shit.
(09:11):
My fave lady Gaga has some of her old friends
still from back before she was famous.
One of her best friends, it's either Sonya or Sanja Durum
passed away from cancer years ago
and Gaga was just, I remember, so grief-stricken.
And then she is still friends with Lady Starlight.
(09:32):
- Who started - who were touring with Gaga
when she was first in the New York club,
seeing it was like the Lady Gaga Lady Starlight debut review.
Like it was the two of them.
And so they're still friends.
So I do like to see that, but I agree.
You gotta know what you're signing up for
when you're friends with a celebrity.
- Which is what we tell our friends all the time.
- Yeah. - You know.
(09:53):
- You gotta be prepared for this.
- I'm gonna prepare this space.
- We'll send you with a bridge.
- Right.
- We stopped in the streets.
I hope that's okay.
(laughing)
Oh, that's just because we're obnoxious in public.
Oh, okay.
Okay, okay, okay.
You got it, got it.
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- We talked a little bit about celebrity duos
(10:16):
that are most commonly known or talked about
in the zeitgeist in the world.
But, Shana, I wanna know the celebrity duos
that captivate you the most.
The ones that you find yourself thinking about
and thinking rich people goals.
- Who do I think about when I lay in bed at night?
(laughing)
- That's a different question.
That's a different question.
(10:37):
- Oprah.
(laughing)
- So I think-- - Let's unpack that.
Let's unpack that.
- Let's go through this a little bit.
Oprah is goals.
And part of one of the most iconic friendships,
I think, in entertainment,
and that is Oprah Winfrey and Gail King.
Their friendship has spanned nearly five decades.
(10:57):
So, their friendship began in 1976
when they were both working at the WJZ TV station in Baltimore.
Oprah was a 22-year-old news anchor
and Gail was the 21-year-old production assistant.
There was a snowstorm in Baltimore
and Oprah offered Gail a place to stay at her apartment
and they just stayed up all night,
chatting and became best friends.
(11:18):
- You kidding me?
- Oh, okay.
- Love that.
Their friendship was just unshakable and still is.
Gail was on the Oprah show all of the time.
Just literally, here's my best friend, Gail.
Oprah had a magazine called O,
mm-hmm, which ran from 2000 to 2020
and Gail was an editor.
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And Oprah has said that Gail is the person who knows her best
and as referred to as the mother,
I never had the sister everybody would want.
The friend everybody deserves.
And like any good girl on girl friendship
and I guess boy and boy friendship, any good friendship ever.
People have always speculated that they might be more than friends.
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- Ooh, yes.
- It's not a celebrity female friendship unless they say,
are you two, Sizzling?
- Are you guys like Gail?
- Are you like Sizzling?
- I just, you know, people ever say that
about Ben Aff, like I'm at Damon, do they?
- Do they?
- Yeah, there are a lot of game rumors about that.
- Are there?
- I don't know if they're Sizzling or Ring.
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I don't know if that's the mechanics of it.
- I don't think that's what Gail guys do.
- I don't think they're Sizzling or Ring.
- I don't think they're Sizzling or Ring.
- Bum, butt, butt.
- Light to butt.
(laughing)
- Airstri, airstri, airstri.
(laughing)
That is such a dark part of the movie
and I quote it all of the time.
(12:42):
- Anyway, how can you not?
- Repaying for a drink.
- Sizzling.
- Oh, thank you.
Yes.
- Terrible, horrible, wonderful movie.
Anyway, Oprah and Gail.
- Oh, that's cool.
- Oprah has been with Steadman for decades
and Gail came out to be married now.
His name is William Bumpus, which is an old name.
That's a cool fucking, oh never mind.
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They were married for one year.
- Oh.
- I don't think she's--
- Oh, that didn't help the gay rumours.
- No.
(laughing)
They were married for one year.
I don't think she's married anymore.
- Well, yeah, Gail Bumpus.
- Gail Bumpus is a sick fucking name.
And then the next cool result is
are Oprah and Gail in a relationship?
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(laughing)
A friendship line.
But yeah, I love them.
I think that Oprah is one of the most famous people
in the entire planet.
And for her to have a female friendship
that has lasted five decades,
where they support each other privately,
publicly vacations, all of that stuff,
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support each other.
It's like you mentioned earlier,
always rooting for each other.
That'd be like if I had Shana Magazine
and you were an editor, you had like,
oh yeah, and I can see it and I was the editor.
Like, I love that.
So--
- Absolutely.
- Oh, Brango.
- We can even keep it as, oh, oh my God.
We could call it so magazine, like Shana, I don't love it.
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So--
- Branding.
- Let's do it.
- I should start in a magazine.
We're channeling Oprah and Gail.
- And we are.
- So I think when I think back
to my most iconic celebrity friendship,
one I would wanna be a part of, a third wheel,
I would wanna be either of them.
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I really think of Cameron Diaz and Drew Barrymore.
- Yes, I love them.
- Their friendship has spanned since Drew Barrymore
was 14, Cameron Diaz was 16,
they actually now--
- I think that was that long.
- Oh my gosh, yeah.
- Yeah, they're adorable.
So they met in a coffee shop that Diaz was working in.
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She was a model at the time.
She hadn't gotten picked up in anything really famous
and she was mainly trying to be a model.
It was like a coffee soda shop thing.
- Oh, okay.
- And Drew Barrymore when she wasn't clubbing at 14.
- Right, she's going to this coffee shop.
- And we heard autobiography, by the way,
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Little Girl Law.
- I think it's on, it's insane.
Like, it's kind of interesting.
So I don't know if she's retracted this.
She has said that she doesn't want people to read that.
- Really?
- And he wore it because, yeah,
she was in such like a dark place
and it wasn't like authentic or true.
And she was really kind of like covering up
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what was really going on with her back then.
So, but I mean, if you've already been--
- Drew, release an updated book.
I read it in high school.
I think I wrote a book report on it.
- Like, that's a dark subject matter.
But if you, our unfamiliar Drew Barrymore was going through
a addiction or her mother was taking her clubbing,
she was doing a lot of things that are 14,
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even younger than that, Lynette.
- Yeah, she's like a girl.
- She's like 14 year old.
- She should not be doing.
And so she was kind of in this dark night of the soul.
Her and Cameradia's were friends throughout this.
Drew Barrymore kind of went out in spotlight,
went to rehab, tried to fix herself.
Cameradia's became super famous in the mask in 1994.
And Drew Barrymore came back as like Poison Ivy in 1992.
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- Oh, yeah.
- They made the early 80s, made this return to film
in the 90s.
And we're both seen as these kind of darlings of film.
And cinema, we were really introduced to them
as this iconic duo in Charlie's Angels with Lucy Lou.
Yeah.
- Yes, you've probably seen that iconic photo of Drew
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in the leather pants holding the bottle of champagne.
Their tour bus actually broke down on the way to the premiere.
And so they just get out of the car
and bring the alcohol with them and walk to the premiere.
And that's where that goes from.
- That sounds like me and you, all this time.
- Like, Scroa.
- Yeah, I just got an opportunity to shoot with it.
(laughing)
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- So Drew Barrymore produced Charlie's Angels
and ultimately their friendship continued through those movies
and has continued.
- How cute.
- They stayed really close when I forgot about this.
Drew Barrymore was married to Tom Green
for also one year.
- Oh, that's right.
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He was in Charlie's Angels.
The Chad was great.
- The Chad was great.
- She's like, yes.
- How was the Chad?
- Yes, God.
- You know, there were some ups and downs,
manly down being marrying Tom Green.
We all make choices.
They've remained private friends, public friends.
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They have really kind of made a return recently
to embracing their friendship
and really talking about each other.
They have some adorable Instagram posts
about how much they love each other.
So definitely check out their Instagram for that.
- How cute.
I didn't know that they had known each other for that long.
That's adorable.
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- Yeah, so they met when Drew was super down
who's still famous, but Dee was not a household name,
but it's a beautiful friendship
and Drew Barrymore unfortunately was a scab this past year,
but I do love her.
I think she's been through a lot.
- I like her a lot too.
I'll cut her some slack.
I think she seems like she means well,
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she seems like she has a really big heart.
Apparently not for union workers,
no, not for union workers.
(laughing)
For everyone else to take unions.
- Anyone who's sitting on the sofa,
she's like wants to crawl into their lap
- Absolutely.
- to their skin, their face, like,
can I keep you in my walls?
Yeah, so.
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- Literally.
- So funny.
- So yeah, I think that's my most iconic.
- I love that.
(dramatic music)
We're talking about female friendships,
but I think that's just because we love each other so much.
There are a lot of amazing male friendships out there,
obviously too.
And I think there should be more men who express their love
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for the other men in a friendship manner
and without making, I don't know.
Guys are always so weird about expressing
that they like each other.
It's like you ask,
ask my husband who is best friend
and he's just like,
(grunting)
- What?
- Who?
- Oh, yeah, I guess he's okay.
- That man that you've known for 30 years is okay.
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All right, I digress.
(laughing)
- Female friendships is where it's at.
This one is sad,
but I think it is amazing and iconic and beautiful
Sarah Michelle Geller and Shannon Doherty.
So they shared a close friendship that began
in the late 1990s and early 2000s
during both of their peak television fame.
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And it continued up until Shannon Doherty's death last year.
So here's a little break down.
So Sarah and Shannon were both in TV in the 1990s.
Sarah obviously was buffy, my favorite,
a buffy the vampire slayer
and Shannon was prue, hollow, well, uncharmed.
So they were both kind of in that fantasy,
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witch and slayer type television series.
- Both on the WB.
- They were both on the WB, exactly.
So they both shared a connection, shared experiences,
young actresses on the WB,
kind of met through those cast things.
So throughout their careers,
they have been absolutely inseparable.
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Soma Blayer is part of that friendship career as well.
Their pictures on Instagram were always so adorable.
I remember one with the three of them doing that trend
where it's like, you and I should try this at the time.
I'm surprised we have it.
One person sits like between another person's legs,
like almost in their lap,
who puts a champagne glass in their mouth
and like, it's sit back and tries to get,
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they're like, champagne in the other girl's mouth.
Anyway, it always ends in disaster.
- We're trying to get a shower.
- What's your contest?
- A little golden shower.
- Okay, not bad.
- Oh god.
- I meant, I meant Pino N' War.
Oh god.
Anyway, these two queens have gotten invocations together.
They shared a mutual love of cooking and entertaining,
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personal life milestones,
each other to support each other's with babies
and weddings.
Shannon Doherty was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2015.
She went into remission, but unfortunately,
it returned as stage four in 2020.
Sarah Michelle Geller publicly supported Doherty
on social media all the time.
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Throughout her struggle was always visiting her,
always posting pictures about her.
Tragically, Shannon did pass away in July 2024.
Since then, Sarah Michelle Geller has posted
a lot of tributes to her friend, Shannon,
highlighting their friendship over the past three decades.
She praised her strength, resilience,
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and fighting spirit throughout her battle of cancer.
So, very sad, ended, you know, short,
I don't know, that just breaks my heart.
I can't imagine losing your best friend of 30 years like that.
So, heart goes out to Sarah Michelle Geller
and that is a beautiful friendship
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that she should always celebrate in whole close.
- I would do anything to be besties
with Sarah Michelle Geller.
- Oh my god, right.
I know, and I know her and Selma Blair are still friends.
Selma has, I liked her so much
and she's definitely made some weird comments
in the last year about like Islam
(22:37):
and just, I don't know, she has some interesting
public statements that she's made.
- Yeah, she's also very good.
- Yeah, she's also going through MS.
- Yes, she is going through a huge, you know,
health crisis that I could never imagine either.
So, but yeah, Sarah Michelle Geller
hanging on to her girlfriends and her husband, listen.
(22:59):
- Yeah.
- She has also been with her husband,
Freddie Prince Jr. for decades.
So, my girl doesn't just love a mendigem.
She holds on to that.
- It's all good.
- I mean, we'll stop believing in love
if they ain't ever good to divorce.
- Oh my god, no, if they get a divorce,
I'm getting a divorce.
Like it's gonna happen.
(laughing)
- Sarah Michelle Geller said I had to, I'm sorry.
(23:20):
- I'm so sorry.
- I don't believe them up anymore.
- I have to end this.
(laughing)
- I'm just kidding, babe.
I'm just kidding.
- He's not listening here to say.
- He's not listening.
- He's playing Marvel rivals right now
with his headphones onto, I'm sure he's not.
- So, I think that this friendship,
it really is a testament to the shared trauma bond
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of it all that happens as well.
So, the next friendship that I really, really love
and started at a very young age as well
is Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams.
- Oh yeah, they're so cute.
Are they still friends?
- Yes, they are.
So, they are Sansa and Arya within the Game of Thrones.
They both were in the North for a lot of their early seasons
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as well.
I mean, Sansa, spoiler alert first show that I ended
and was widely talked about.
- Oh, really?
- Sansa eventually goes to King's Landing,
but a lot of the first season they are together
and they were incredibly young when they first started
the show, their characters are very young.
And so, they became really good friends.
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Instantly, Maisie Williams is quoted
kind of in that early audition process and says,
like, even if I don't get the part,
I really want that girl to be my friend.
She's really cool.
- Oh, that's so cute.
- Right.
(laughing)
And, Sophie has been quoted saying, like, Maisie was special.
We just got on like that.
They were super, super close and spent a lot of time together.
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The show filmed for an incredibly long time,
went on for an even longer time in their premieres.
I think their carpool karaoke is one of the funniest things
in the world.
- Oh, it's so cute.
- When Sansa's like pretending to be dead star.
- Oh no.
- It cracks me up.
- It cracks me up so much.
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- On the show, it's so serious and the stakes are so dire
and both of them are going through like horrific trauma
and watching their dad's head cut off.
And then behind the scenes, they're so unserious.
That's what I love about that cast so much
is like all of the behind the scenes,
they just switch immediately to being like big goofballs,
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like every single one of them.
So, I love it.
- So I love all of them.
- I love all of them.
- You feel like you have to when the subject matter
is so heavy.
- Yeah, can we please be silly now?
(laughs)
- Yeah, and Game of Thrones is kind of especially that part
of the story of Game of Thrones,
(25:58):
how's the dragon is a little bit better,
but it is very brutal to women.
- Yeah, exactly.
- So I can't imagine being like 15
and working through that subject material
and then trying to portray it,
like Sansa, especially it just gets brutalized
throughout that whole show.
- She's a little badass and like a warrior.
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And Sansa's just like, here's this terrible man to marry.
Okay, here's this new terrible man to marry.
I mean, Tyrion, he was a show.
- Yeah, but you know.
So the subject matter, just the difficulty
of being away really bonded them.
In 2016, they got matching tattoos, commemorating
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the date they learned that they had been cast.
So it's 0809 is the date that they got tattooed.
So 789.
And they did the iconic Carpool karaoke during the last season,
whenever Sophie Turner got married to Joe Jonas,
she was a bride's man.
- All right, okay.
- All right, okay.
- Yeah, well, he's still alive,
(27:05):
but the relationship isn't.
(laughs)
- I think Sophie Turner is just so funny and so iconic.
Like that video.
- I think I had the hockey game where she chugs
the glass of wine and then like dabs.
- She is just so--
- That was back when dabbing was big.
- Oh my God, let's bring back dabbing.
- Please?
- Yeah.
- She's just so unserious.
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I love any celebrity like that who can just be like,
I don't know.
I already said this, just be a goofball.
Just be a li--
- Yeah.
- A silly goober, please.
That's all I want to tell you.
So after you listen in this episode,
watch their carpool karaoke, it's absolutely hilarious.
- It'll smile on your face.
- They publicly support each other.
They always talk about how they will always be close
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and they're each other's soulmates
and just really have that mutual growth.
I have a lot of friends that I've had since a very young age.
I know you have as well.
I'm sensing a theme here.
I picked two red chips that started at very young ages.
I think there's something so beautiful about changing
completely as a person.
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I hope you've changed completely as a person since you were 16.
- Oh no, I'm the same, exactly the same as I was.
Here are the rings and bibles.
- Oh God.
But, you know, so I think that's something beautiful
with changing as a person and those friendships
like evolving and growing and standing.
- Sticking with somebody through, yeah,
through every stage of your life.
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Like, I have friends who have literally seen me
through tragedy, through triumph, through my wedding,
through them getting married and divorces and babies
and moving.
I've had friends who have moved across the country
and then come back and then I, you know,
it's just, those are the ones that really stand
the test of time.
But then also there's those friends that you make
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in your 20s who are like with you through
that transformative time where you're like,
you finally are starting to kind of feel like a grownup.
Like when you and I met, you know.
I have one more friendship that I'm gonna shout out.
I'm not gonna go into details,
but I know you have one more to.
But I gotta give some love to Steve Martin
and Martin Short.
They're so cute.
- I love that.
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Oh my God.
- I love that Martin Short and Mariel Stryford dating now.
Oh my God, right.
It's amazing.
Do you watch only markers in the building?
I don't remember.
- No, I still need to.
But they just want a sad look.
- Yeah.
I loved it.
You should watch it.
It's hilarious.
And they are both adorable on it.
But yeah, that's my little final shout out.
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- I think that they're cute.
They're adorable.
We love a long lasting straight van friendship.
I'm also gonna throw a male friendship into the mix.
Not straight, but we have Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen.
Oh my God, I love them.
- If you didn't know, it was actually intended
to be a romantic relationship.
(29:56):
So I'm gonna try to set them up on a blind date.
- Really?
- Not Gwen, but Tommy never worked.
Anderson Cooper obviously flying around the world,
being a news anchor.
And so their romantic connection never prospered,
but they ultimately became really good friends.
- I think they are close friends.
- I love it when they let them drink on New Year's.
(30:18):
Like let these in.
- And all the fans every year,
like let these men drink for the left of them.
- Let these win drink.
- Well, Andy Cohen was definitely doing more than drinking
in 2020.
And that's why they didn't let him drink in 2021.
You could see some of it.
- Ew.
- It's his skin.
- Yeah, how did it is known?
- The bass room.
- It's a little bit too much.
(30:39):
- Yeah, and so that was why they had to cut him off.
But no, I think that Andy Cohen,
he's such a silly goofy guy as well.
And like he's on, watch what happens, lies.
And like his whole brand is getting people to crack,
getting drunk, like saying crazy things.
And then Anderson Cooper is so straight-laced.
- Yes, kind of serious.
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It's perfect.
- And he just messes with him like the whole time.
- Yeah, he brings a whole humanness
to Anderson Cooper as well.
So I really love their friendship.
I think they're silly.
And then now they're both dads and moving into that life.
So you would never put them together,
but when you do, it's kind of hilarious and funny.
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- Yeah, I love this like opposites attract kind of thing.
Like it's super Martha, I think it's perfect.
And then you have bitches like us who everyone's like,
are you guys sisters?
(laughs)
- Nope, just annoying in the same way.
(dramatic music)
- So Shana, what have you been up to?
(31:45):
- Oh God.
- Huh?
- Working Valentine's Day.
Oh, Mike, you're wedding anniversary at Il.
- Oh, I love.
- My tenure wedding anniversary is this weekend.
So.
- Oh, cute.
- What are you guys gonna do?
- Thank you.
We have dinner reservations at this place called El by Rose.
(32:06):
How perfect is that?
- It is.
- Yeah, I've never been,
but it's supposedly very delicious, fancy, mixed and food.
And Scottsdale, Arizona.
- And then I think we're just gonna spend the weekend
together watching movies.
We have been rewatching every single Star Wars movie.
When I say we, I mean, me and my husband Andrew do
in the sinners.
(32:27):
- So we had a little back and forth.
We couldn't decide if we wanted to rewatch all of them
in chronological order, like episode 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,
or if we wanted to do release date order.
- Which would be.
- 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9.
(laughs)
So we ended up doing that.
So we ended up, we watched all three, 1970s and 80s Star Wars.
(32:51):
And then last night we watched Phantom Menace,
which is,
God, I watched this movie once before this.
And it was in 1999 in a movie theater when I was 10 years old.
- Yeah, I don't know if we're on to Melier.
- Oh God, it's Anakin Skywalker.
So it's the guy who grows up to be Darth Vader.
- Oh, yeah.
- This is origin story.
So it's Emma's a little kid.
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There are some great spots in it.
Like Iwem McGregor plays Obi-Wan Kenobi and he is amazing.
Darth Maul is great, but the graphics and like charge our binks,
I wanted to end it all.
Yeah, I, me so I watched my life watching this movie.
Like it was so bad.
- I love that so much.
(33:34):
- Yeah, so that's what we're up to.
Watching Star Wars, enjoy our marriage.
- Okay.
How about you?
(laughs)
- So I said it was texting, "Chana, I am now by the end of the night.
I am on 13 books in this year."
- I need to know all about this book
that made you cry earlier.
(33:54):
- Oh my God, yes.
Dear listener, she sends me this snapshot of just,
tears just running down her face.
Like who are you?
A book?
A book?
No, I was like, "Oh God, I'm crying."
And we recorded in like 45 minutes of it.
I had to redo all of my makeup.
- You look amazing.
(34:15):
You know, I had to pull my shit out from my bootstrap.
So it's called the seven year slip.
I have never read the author before.
It is, we see it each by Ashley Poston.
And it's actually like really, really cute.
So it's a magical realism book.
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It's a romance book.
I've been really into romance.
I'm trying to trick myself into thinking I,
I want a relationship right now.
So you really just want to get dicked down by a fairy,
a guy who was covered in shadows.
- Yeah, well that's why I'm trying to read
more real life romances.
(34:56):
- Okay.
- And sometimes I'm going to read more real life romances
'cause I'm like, okay, I'm never gonna find
a seven foot fey who's jacked out of his mind
and only wants me for me because I mean to him.
Like that's just not gonna happen in the real world.
So I need a grumpy sunshine, I'm the grumpy,
they're the sunshine and exist in some sort of world.
(35:19):
So it's magical realism where it's our world
that there is like a light element of magic within it.
- Okay, I'm happy to know.
- And to this book specifically,
it is called the seven year slip
and it's this woman who is dealing with her ant
who passed away.
She inherits this apartment and this apartment is magic
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and it can basically sense her back seven years in time.
And so it's called the seven year slip
and it's absolutely beautiful.
I was crying my eyes out because the ant
on the lives herself and I've talked about it before in my ant.
- Oh yeah.
- And it's very similar to my ant.
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So it was like, oh my God.
- Oh my God, I'm so happy.
- Oh my God, but it is beautiful.
I started it last night.
I'm almost done.
- Jesus, I'm gorgeous.
- I am.
- You sleep.
- I do sleep, but I'm alone in a new city.
I don't have a relationship.
Like I, you know, like I have so much time.
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- Yeah, that's fair.
- In like people in my life who are like married
and have children, they're like, how do you read so much?
And I was like, because I don't have person
or a little person to take care of.
I just come to you.
- I'll come to you a little person to take care of.
- You can be my little person.
You can be my person anytime, anytime, honey.
- Thanks, mummy.
- Yes.
(laughs)
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So I've just been reading with a porosity,
but it's really, really good.
I also had read, I think this will be my seventh book
that in February.
So I've been month crazy in February.
I've been reading a lot of MLA Henry,
which is like very low stakes real life romance book.
- Okay.
- And just absolutely loving it.
However, I also watched the first two episodes
(37:07):
of White Lotus.
So good.
You need to watch it.
- Is it good this season?
- Yes.
- I haven't even watched these two.
- They change, you don't have to, they're all separate.
- Yeah.
- So the intro song, they changed it.
I'm pissed about it.
- I did see a lot of people in social media
were upset that they changed the song.
I don't know why they would do that.
(37:28):
- It's iconic.
Everybody loves it.
They didn't change it for season two.
I don't know why they changed it for season three.
- If you have a theme song like that,
it's like Game of Thrones.
They ran with the theme song,
even into House of the Dragon.
They're like, oh, you want this banger banger?
♪ Bang, bang, bang ♪
♪ Bang, bang, bang ♪
♪ We got this ♪ - Peter D. - It's Peter D.
- It's Peter D. - Yeah, exactly.
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They shouldn't have changed it.
So that's kind of annoying.
I am really liking the season.
My mom called me yesterday and was like,
"Have you watched White Lotus?"
Yeah, so even my mom is in on it.
She's like, "Hell yeah, this is so good."
- I gotta get in on it.
I gotta start.
- But definitely,
would pop seven year slip and...
- White Lotus.
(38:10):
- And I'm gonna pop Star Wars in general.
And next level chef with Gordon Ramsay
because it is back for New Season, and we love that show.
- Yeah, and Reeves is the fanfic episode
to know just how much we like Gordon Ramsay.
- Oh God, he's so angry and thick.
- He's a lamb sauce.
(38:34):
- He's a lamb sauce.
- Give us some of that lamb sauce, Gordon.
- Spaced me on your lamb sauce.
- On that note,
Shona, what's the best way for our future best friends
to find us?
- First of all, no new friends.
- But you can follow me just kidding.
- Only Patreon subscribers.
(38:55):
- Literally, Patreon subscribers, y'all can be my friend.
I don't do this shit for free.
- Anyway.
(laughing)
- I do.
- I do.
- I do it just for free.
- Goodbye, we had social media though.
- @shaunatrinidad, S-H-A-U-N-A-T-R-I-N-I-D-A-D,
and that will be Instagram and threads.
(39:15):
- And you can find me, Olivia, on Instagram,
@livymariez, L-I-V-I-M-A-R-I-E-Z,
and as always, you can find the Pop Culture Junkie podcast,
social media links, blog posts, and more on our website,
popculturejunkie.com.
From there, you can find our podcast on all platforms,
(39:37):
and you can follow, subscribe, right, and review the show.
Tell us how you really feel nicely,
if you don't like us, just, man, I,
(laughing)
- Please don't tell me.
- Please don't tell me, I've had it.
I've had it in the horrors in the year of 2025.
- And please join our Patreon because every subscriber
(39:59):
helps us bring you more of the best pop culture.
You can find us at patreon.com/popculturejunkiepodcast.
You might be able to see Shauna's unmentiables
at the beginning of this episode.
- No, our producer noticed,
I had a thong in the corner of my room.
(laughing)
(40:20):
- I should just left it back there.
- I should've just left it.
- There was an Easter egg.
- There was an Easter egg.
- See if you could,
there's a thong hidden in the background
of every Pop Culture Junkie episode.
You guys see if you could find it.
- So if you want to see Shauna's unmentiables
and plenty of other unmentiables,
(40:41):
sign up for sneak peek or get a super special shout out
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Save that pop culture.
I'm so fast, really hard to know.
Come back next time for another hit of pop culture.
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The Pop Culture Junkie podcast is produced by Jeff Markin
(41:02):
and Cheryl Lightfoot for the Pop Culture Entertainment Network.
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