May 29, 2025 • 42 mins
The Junkies compare vacations: Shauna stayed in a hostel and didn’t get murdered (yay!) and Olivia enjoyed the Big Little Lies vibes at an oyster farm north of San Francisco. Then it’s time to talk zombies: specifically the scary-fast ones featured in the 28 Days Later movie series. They both can’t wait for the premiere of the third movie, 28 Years Later, and go back to relive the events leading up to it. (Warning, spoilers for 23- and 18-year-old movies within.) Shauna loves a good end of the world story, Olivia loves the 28 Weeks Later more than the original, and both of them love Cillian Murphy, even when he’s not nude. Find a bunker and join us for the end of the world, and what comes after that.
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[Music]
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Welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. I'm Olivia and I'm here with.
Hi, I'm Shauna.
And we are sadly not together this time looking longingly into each other's eyes.
No, I miss you.
We're back to an internet relationship.
You know, it feels wrong.
And then I asked Olivia, hey, what's next time you're going to kind of Phoenix and you can go swimming in my pool.
(00:50):
We can hang out. You live in Phoenix. It's going to be like I'm 150, Sean. I'm not fucking coming day or is on it any time in the next five month.
To be fair, if you were paying the rent prices I was paying, you would be like, I agree with that line of thought.
I bet so much in red I could never leave my apartment ever.
(01:13):
No, it's like if I'm in a pay to have really nice weather, I'm not going to go home during the worst weather.
No, that makes it. That makes it. I just need to come and visit you then.
Oh, what a what a peril twist my arm.
You should come in Justin CK come to say coming to San Francisco.
(01:37):
Yeah, because CK's team is based here.
The last whole story tell me anything. Well, she just told me so I put me out on the odd guys.
Just you better pets me right after you listen to this episode.
Or else or else friendship over.
Yes. So what have you been up to?
(02:00):
I'm sorry. I left you other than crying.
Oh, I baked fine deplace since I left you. Not just about it. I'm just crying and masturbating and being.
It always has to go there.
It doesn't. Oh my god. If anyone is closeting and I sound little stuffy it's because I am.
But you know what? I'm a big girl and I'm going to work my way through it.
(02:22):
The fans need a recording. So here we are.
Yeah, that's dedication.
As such, I got podcasted. Oh my god. I went to San Diego and I stayed in a festival for the first time ever.
And it was how is that sure?
I don't know if I would ever do it again.
But I'm glad that I did it and then I could cross it off my list.
(02:46):
My two little roommates were so fun.
One girl was like 22 and was in San Diego traveling for the first time by herself to a music
festival. And the other lady was from Brazil and was hitting up the gay clubs every night.
And they were both delightful. So I loved them.
But I was also in downtown San Diego next to the bike clubs and all night.
(03:10):
It was like, it's all my ladies. Where'd you go?
And it was very loud and I was thankful for my ear plug.
But no murders in my hostel, which I guess was cool, but like,
that's how, whether it's murder or nothing happened.
Rude. Rude of them.
(03:31):
I've never stayed in a hostel either.
I might change my mindset if I were like traveling abroad.
But yeah, I feel like my time to stay in a hostel was under 30.
I 36 and I stayed in a hostel to save money.
Yeah, I think you could still do it too.
I think at this age, I'm just not meant to live in a comfortable lab.
(03:54):
I love that. I did have that realization where I was like,
I am accustomed to certain luxuries, like a full bed and a room to myself.
It was all size bad. That was nice.
And I had a little curtain.
You'll appreciate this. When I first showed up, I knew it was going to be bunk beds.
I was prepared to ask them for a bottom bunk.
(04:17):
But when I got in, they really go, get your aside, bunk bed on the left, bottom.
Oh god. No more top bunk for me ever.
Yes, if you get PTSD, like climbing off of it.
I know I saw the ladder and I was like, not today.
Safety. My bones are going to be intact.
(04:38):
Let me stop here to witness the weeping.
Literally dying dog sounds.
I'm happy to realize it was just your foot and not a dying dog.
Oh my god, I would break every bone in my body,
rather than be in a room with a dying dog.
Yeah. 10 out of 10.
Okay. 10 out of 10 agree.
Well, speaking of death,
(05:00):
God, please.
Please, but no.
I'm like, "Sickie's fine.
I know my god."
Ziggy's doing amazing.
I went to a big house.
I went on a little day trip on Saturday.
I went to Marshall, California,
which is like where all of the oyster farms are in the Bay Area,
(05:20):
which I freaking love an oyster so much.
So it was great, but we went the coastal route to get there
and stopped and we were on the coast,
like looking at the rocks.
This is very like big little lies.
I wasn't wearing a card again, unfortunately,
so I could channel Nicole Kidbin in the moment.
(05:40):
Yeah, I know.
I wanted, I needed like a really big one.
It was like a full wrap, like teacher wrap almost.
I needed that.
But I'm going tomorrow.
I'm going to Tiburon,
which is I'm taking the ferry there.
And I'm going to have caviar and champagne in this.
It's amazing.
(06:01):
It's amazing.
Fun without me.
I think you say after you just went on multiple trips.
I know.
But it makes champagne.
Yeah, people, you don't need champagne.
You should have pain and drink caviar.
Yeah, so I'm just
excited about that.
That sounds very cool.
(06:22):
And then I'm also going to be channeling
my inner season one of the OC.
I'm going to an ocean bonfire on Sunday
on Ocean Beach.
No, I've bought a love of good Oshi.
It's going to be cold.
Yeah, are you going to push some on the face?
(06:42):
Sing, look up to the OC bitch.
Except for maybe I'm from Cisco bitch.
It's Ocean Beach.
So maybe welcome to the OB bitch.
But yeah, so I've quite a little lovely Memorial Day weekend planned.
I was violently hung over.
I have a three day hangover this week.
(07:04):
So I was like, okay, I need something that isn't going to be going
absolutely feral or feral.
You're going to get drunk.
I probably, but like I was bad.
I know.
You were responding to my text.
Nice and her one and I was like, you hate me.
It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
She's like, I'm so sorry.
I've just been vomiting.
(07:24):
On the third day, I woke up and threw up.
And I hadn't thrown up the entire three days.
And I was like, how did that just even happen?
Yeah, it wasn't very fun.
I'm spelling the demons from your body.
Don't drink too much.
Listen or eat bad.
You.
Especially if you're over the age of 30, it hurts too bad.
(07:45):
It hurts too bad.
You bet.
I know I'm doing self-ripper tubing on Saturday and I'm kind of never
bad.
Oh, you're going to get so burned.
Last time I did really good because I just mothered myself inside of
the screen.
But well, if you're not from Arizona, you can get
literal second and third degree burns if you're not careful
(08:07):
on this river flow because it's so incredibly hot.
It's so hot.
It's crazy.
But you get to see like wild horses runs with a river.
And then you get to see a lot of drunk like
fat boy is like, yeah, it's got
a little.
So it's like the juxtaposition of nature.
It's mature.
And yeah, there you go.
(08:28):
I might be a buffy prom.
All right, we should probably do our podcast because I know you would have to
catch up for after a bun.
Just.
You get me.
So we are most
awaited film this year.
I think between the two of us, we've even talked about flying to each other to see
this movie.
And maybe we'll circle back on those plans.
(08:49):
Is the 28 years later.
Busy.
And this is later.
Out.
What did I say?
20 years later.
At Booty years.
Really.
They are.
SpongeBob and zombies combined.
Amazing.
So 28 years later comes out.
A June 20th in theaters. And we've been so excited about it.
(09:12):
If you listen to our, what are we excited about at the top of this year?
This was on both of our lists really, really high.
And I think that we both have such a deep love for the 28 days universe.
I don't know what to call it.
I almost called it the 28 universe, but that feels wrong.
That's 20.
The 28 calendar.
For many times, it's broken that Sandra Bullock, a movie where she's in rehab for 20 days.
(09:38):
It was.
I don't know if I've seen that.
Oh God.
I don't know.
28 days later.
That one's called 28 days.
Oh, okay.
There we go.
For this missing bullet.
That's what they do.
Sandees in the apocalypse.
It's the shit that's been she's been in rehab.
It's fine.
So we're going to take a quick break and then we're going to hop into the lower.
(10:07):
So as I mentioned at the beginning of this episode, we're both obsessed with 28 days and 28 weeks later.
I think I've long said 28 days and 28 weeks is a really good example of where a sequel is actually
better than the original one in my opinion, controversial.
I know, but I really wanted to dive into the impact that this movie had on zombie horror in general.
(10:37):
And really just the things that we need to remember as we head into the 28 years movie.
So Sean, tell me the first time you ever saw this movie.
Oh my God.
Okay.
28 days later, I think I saw for the first time in all of it.
I guess it must have been with my ex boyfriend.
Yeah.
And I had only seen really bits and pieces of it over and over and over again.
(11:03):
That makes up the entire movie.
And then I know isn't that crazy.
And then I'd seen the second one multiple times.
But the first one I'd only seen in shocks.
Wow.
Yeah.
And then it's so hard to find it streaming anywhere until recently.
I've tried to find it and it's an irony for years now online.
(11:26):
And it wasn't anywhere until they announced that they were making the third one.
And now find the fourth.
Fine.
So you can even rent it or just wasn't a bill.
It wasn't anywhere.
Like you couldn't even rent it.
And so I rented it last week.
It did a rewatch all the way through.
And there was a lot that I forgot because I hadn't seen it so long.
(11:47):
And then the second one I also watched.
I think when it first came out, I was a huge fan of horror movies.
When I was a...
You were in your Puritan Christian era.
Yeah.
Honestly, yeah.
When I was like a teenager,
I was an indoor horror movies and I was very squeamish.
And now it got a lot really mixed-by-feeling.
(12:09):
Unless it's like,
"Warcher born."
Like, the hostile movies.
Good timing.
Good time or like the terrifying movies.
I don't suck with those.
But every other horror movie I'm fine.
And I can, you know, I don't have a week's stomach.
So yeah, I was a little late on these.
But I love zombie movies.
I love the end of the world of apocalypse.
(12:32):
I think I've talked about that in the podcast.
Or yes, I think that when you look at 28 days later
and the kind of series as a whole,
it was such a unique film at the time,
specifically because a lot of the zombies that we saw
at like, pre-this movie were very slow, right?
They were dead come to life.
(12:54):
Rather than within this movie,
it's actually not dead people coming back to life.
It is what they call the rage virus.
And it's not like your typical zombie.
It kills you and then you resurrect like in the walking dead.
But actually it's kind of like a form of rabies.
Yeah. That happens.
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And it makes them ultimately like super aggressive.
And it's a 22nd infection time, which so crazily.
I totally forgot that bit.
Like when, okay, I get this goes without saying,
but we're going to spoil 28 days later,
which in my 20s, 20s, yeah, they came out like 20-some odd years ago.
(13:37):
So get over that.
But when, gosh, I forgot Frank, I think like the guy
that the older man who he's traveling with,
when he get that blood drop in his eye.
Oh, yes, the crow.
Yes, Frank.
Frank Brandon Gleason.
The worst, just Sarah and Deppinus just lands perfectly
in his eyeball right. And immediately he knows he's going to turn.
(13:59):
And yeah, he has like 20 to 30 seconds to just basically tell his daughter,
"Hey, remember, I love you, honey."
And then zombie.
And it's like, oh, shit, that was so.
Yeah, it's ultimately like really, really crazy.
I mean, this movie came out in 2002 when I was rewatching it.
I was just thinking about how it's like a British lab in Cambridge
(14:21):
where scientists were experimenting with trying to isolate
the part of the brain that causes anger
and create like a solution to that, like uncontrollable anger.
And they ended up pairing this virus with Ebola,
like as the carrier for it.
And it mutates into these chimpanzees and they go crazy.
(14:43):
But then PETA comes in and frees these monkeys.
It's such a commentary on life now
to be like, oh, they made it in a lab and it ended the world.
Yeah, just thought of it as extra relevant
to like what we just went through in 2020.
It is super relevant.
I'm reading a book right now actually
kind of about the zombie apocalypse.
(15:04):
Okay.
It is the gnarse of virus
mutated with sexual rage.
So it's horny zombies.
Yeah, it's a very interesting one.
What's the name of it?
American Rapture by CJ Lee.
And it's from the perspective of a very Catholic 16-year-old girl
(15:28):
who is very sheltered her whole life.
Oh, yeah, it's fascinating.
But it is interesting when you set these zombie films
kind of in the reality of what we've dealt with recently, you know.
So it's like the Ebola virus.
We were all like, oh god, 2002.
I want to know from your perspective, do you have a preference
(15:48):
when it comes to zombie films?
Do you like it more when it's a virus?
Or do you like it when the dead come back to life and a thing?
Because we've seen a lot of those in popular culture.
Yes, I think that virus is more interesting
because I do think that it's something that could exist
in like real life, or like a virus like wipes out the human population
(16:13):
that could totally happen.
So I do think that's interesting.
One thing when COVID happened, I love all types of infection movies.
Like, contagious.
I love it.
So good.
Oh my god.
I'm going to watch that.
I watched an insane amount of zombie movies,
like movies like contagion whenever 2020 happened.
(16:33):
So I really do think that that's super interesting.
And a lot of the time, like, even if you look at the happenings,
like the plants evolving, but like nature fighting back,
I think it's such an interesting.
The myth seemed to explore the happening, not the myth,
but you probably haven't seen that because you know,
like I'm not chandelier.
Lama, lama.
No, I love the myth.
(16:54):
No, not the myth, the happening.
Oh, the happening is stupid, but I...
It's good.
That's the Mark Wahlberg one where she's like,
you scuffing to my bent rope so you could check out me.
So I'm my lemon drink.
Yeah.
He's like, what?
No.
Enter that quote, that probably on a weekly basis.
(17:14):
What?
No.
So that is a...
I'm not sure I'm allowed to movie the Andrew Watch.
How do he hates it?
He hates it, but he's seen it.
He's seen it and he ate it.
And I...
Yeah, I think the most important part of why these zombies are so
God dang scary is they can run so fast.
(17:36):
Like they aren't...
Our zombies are terrified.
That you're so low, lumbery.
I just crawled out from the dead in the grave.
And like my arm is falling off zombies.
I can take you down.
Right.
When...
Maybe I'll get overpowered if there's a thaw is in the view,
but like I got you.
If you're an athletic zombie who is...
(17:57):
I don't know, has a virus in you?
Over there?
Yeah.
Then no, I fuck.
I'm fucked.
Especially because...
I don't know.
If they like what those zombies do,
they retain their human characteristics.
Like in this movie, they look like humans, just their eyes change colors.
And they get all feral and shit.
(18:18):
But you know, if somebody's face is falling off,
then I'm a little more like, "Oh, you're a zombie.
I can kill you easily."
You don't...
You lose that like human like quality that makes you feel guilty about killing someone.
Yeah.
I think the only other faster zombie that has been seen in cinema
are the World War Z zombies.
I'd say the World War Z zombies were stupid.
(18:39):
They were too fast.
They felt like a zombie pyramid.
It's so unfortunate because World War Z,
the book is so good.
Yeah, read the book.
Read the book.
It's amazing.
And it's like anthology.
But they're making of all these different stories
who lived through World War Z.
So very, very good.
(19:00):
This movie was actually a daddy number one,
Killian Murphy's breakout role.
I typically think she showed as a dick and as a breakout role.
A bald...
Yeah.
A bald...
What in two minutes of him on screen?
See his dick and balls?
Yeah.
And ultimately we see a nod to this opening scene.
(19:23):
So Killian Murphy is the main character that we follow through the film.
And he wakes up from a coma.
So think very like walking dead.
I was just gonna say the walking dead took so much inspiration from this, obviously.
Yeah.
With the actual...
The last little...
And it is such a powerful plot device, right?
(19:44):
Like the world was something when you went to sleep.
And then when you woke up, it was completely destroyed.
Yeah.
The cast that we see is really pretty small.
Throughout we have the main evil guy is the military,
which is kind of a theme throughout.
The prior power structures no longer work within this world.
(20:05):
And it's very, very interesting.
We see a lot of malice through reason.
I guess it's the best way to say it.
Yeah.
Where it's like...
You stop to see people as people.
And I feel like that is a common theme in zombie movies.
Obviously the zombies are the big overarching threat.
But also the threat is just humanity and what we do in our most vulnerable and depraved moments.
(20:29):
So even in the walking dead in the most recent seasons towards the end,
the zombies were whatever, right?
These guys are so good at killing zombies.
The real enemy is like what people will do to each other,
which is really what it got to at the end of this movie.
And I've forgotten that plot point.
And then once they got to that military zone,
(20:50):
it becomes clear very quickly.
There's something going on.
Good, right?
And you realize they're all men.
And then they keep saying over the radio,
"Oh, the characters here, the salvage, and it's here."
And you're like, "Okay, they want to repopulate the Earth."
They're going to try to assault the women, for sure.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's that's of so common in zombie movies.
(21:11):
But I like it.
It talks to our more deeper, feral instincts
and what we humankind destroys itself.
Yeah, absolutely.
And you see that throughout zombie films.
It's always the people who try to maintain control that have the worst ends in the world
that all control has been lost.
So it's very interesting.
It's like a common plot device.
It's directed by Danny Boyle.
(21:33):
It's shot in a really unique way for the time as well.
It's shot on a Canon XL1.
And it has this kind of not-found footage,
but you feel like you're there with them.
Yeah.
What?
When I first rented it a couple days ago,
like, I paid money for it.
And I said, "Why is this potato quality?"
(21:53):
Like, "Well, it is this look like ass."
And then as it went on, I was like, "Oh, I feel like it's supposed to."
I don't look like ass.
It is from 2002.
But yeah, it is.
It's just like, "I feel like that's what they're going for here."
Yeah, absolutely.
And then it's written by Alex Garland and really just a great film.
And it really revived the zombie for interest and made it really, really interesting.
(22:17):
Now, like I said before, 28 weeks later,
it's actually my favorite of the two.
It is more readily available to watch.
And that one was just kind of be certified.
I don't think I have to pay for that one.
Yeah.
And in this one, we have Robert Carlisle, Roseburn, Jeremy Renner.
Yeah.
We have Harold Parano.
So there are people in it.
(22:38):
Okay.
Robert Carlisle, who I love from once upon a time,
he plays Rumble Still Skin.
He's forever Rumble Still Skin.
These are every time I see him.
I'll look at Rumble Still Skin.
Roseburn is wonderful.
Jeremy Renner is Hawkeye, aka Hot Guy.
I didn't call with that.
And Harold Parano, who's a great guy.
(22:59):
Yes.
And then of course, we have Daddy,
Idris Elba in it as like,
had a military guy, I guess.
There's half a sector per time.
So 28 weeks later is, as you can imagine,
28 weeks after the initial zombie apocalypse that breaks out within London.
(23:22):
Yeah.
I guess the UK as a whole,
the island itself, it does go from Cambridge to London to Scotland and all those surrounding here.
And then they say spreads worldwide.
I think they mentioned first one.
There was outbreaks in New York and they mentioned like other countries.
I think it's going worldwide, right?
Yeah.
So in the movies itself,
(23:43):
the NATO and US military come to London to help them resettle the UK itself.
So at the time, I don't think that it was as big of a thing within the US.
So they were trying to keep it out.
You're right.
You're right.
Okay.
Yeah, but it did spread to the rest of the UK.
Okay.
(24:03):
Yes.
Yes.
And so the plot is that the US military comes in because of course they do.
And they can help themselves.
Yeah.
And they are trying to rebuild London.
The disease itself is said to at this 28 weeks later,
most of the zombies that were in the initial outbreak have starved out.
(24:29):
And it kind of shows that at the end of 28 days later,
they do like an overarching shot and then kind of like not disintegrating,
but kind of dying on the ground.
So you're like, oh, they're obviously starving.
But yeah.
And so you and children don't come.
It's bucket all.
Yeah.
So you come into 28 weeks later like, okay, all the zombies died out
(24:51):
or whatever starved to death, I guess, because they're not actually dead.
And so they ultimately aren't that big of an issue.
There's still some lingering ones because not everyone got affected at the same time.
But it's largely like a neutralized threat.
And they're starting to build the city infrastructure again.
Yes.
And so Robert Carlisle who's done in it, we meet him in the opening scene.
(25:16):
And he is a survivor and his children were not in the UK.
So they are coming back to live with him.
Andy and Tammy.
And they know that their mother is dead, I guess, not actually dead.
But they know that she's gone.
They think that she was attacked by a horde of zombies.
(25:36):
In the opening scene, we see Dawn abandon his wife.
Oh, that's, yeah.
Definitely abandoned her.
In the countryside, zombies overtake the house.
And he leaves her there to get like eaten by the zombie.
You see her in the window.
She's like, help me and he runs away.
(25:58):
And so the kids don't know that that happened because, of course,
you wouldn't tell your children, hey, just your mom.
They say that he sees her die.
Right.
And so the kids come in there in this military zone and they want to go back to their house
and look for a picture of their mother and they find their mother there.
In this house.
(26:19):
These kids.
I remember watching this movie just being like, of course, it was children who reason.
This is why I don't want to.
This is why I will never rip it out.
The children restarted the bugle.
Yes.
And so this one's super interesting because the disease has largely like died out or whatever.
We don't know if animals can contain the virus and carry the virus.
(26:43):
They don't get infected.
But this movie introduces a carrier.
So people have been infected but don't actually get the rage virus.
Yes.
That's right.
So the mother that he abandoned actually has that and ends up surviving.
And the US military instead of immediately killing her,
they want to do tests on her to see can we create an antidote.
(27:05):
And then dirty dawn ruins everything.
I feel like it's like the kid goes in.
And so he gets infected and the outbreak comes again.
And so he kisses her in the media.
It gets infected.
Yeah.
The come on, bro.
Yeah.
And so this one is quite interesting.
I think it's just larger and at scale.
(27:27):
Yes.
When you're 28 days later, you don't really see like the moment of outbreak.
But you see it within 28 weeks later and just like how quickly everything goes to shit
in that moment.
Yeah, it is a larger scale because you're there with Jeremy Reddard,
part of the American military who's trying to help roll it.
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Rose Burns character works for the military too or the government.
She's like a doctor.
She's the one who wants to make the antidote.
Yeah.
And so it's definitely like we're 28 days with some more like personal story,
which I like.
These like each movie gets a little bigger,
which is what I'm expecting for the third one as well.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
I think the past is the bigger the scale get.
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Yeah.
And Idris Alva, he has a really good monologue within this movie where she is talking about
like the needs of the many overruled, the needs of a few.
And if we can save the world by this, we can kill everyone in here.
And they're making that moral argument ultimately.
So it's not just like all of England in order to save the world.
(28:33):
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so we follow these kids through the story.
Obviously Don dies because he's patient zero again.
Because he's done it.
But dirty Don, dirty Don, patient zero.
I think if you've never seen these movies, they are so amazing and really gritty and have
such a good moral thought to them as well.
(28:55):
I agree.
And just great Gore as well.
Yeah.
It's great horror and it's gory but not like over the top.
Grituitous for you and a score just the right amount.
It really keeps the work around it and like this or all.
So yeah, good movies all around.
Yeah.
And you are a comic book person more than me.
(29:16):
Did you ever read the comic books?
I did it.
I honestly didn't know there were comic books.
But it makes sense.
I feel like there's a lot of comic books for these kind of series movies,
especially to fill in gaps for things.
Yeah.
What happened off screen?
What happened when we weren't paying attention or what was going on.
So I think it'd be really interesting to read them.
(29:36):
Yeah.
There's some wonderful issues that she put in there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Selena from 28 days later hired by American journalist trying to document the outbreak
and she goes back into the infected zones.
And you really just explore what this would do to the different characters in a deeper way.
(29:58):
Yeah.
You can't hear someone's internal monologue, but in a comic you could.
Absolutely.
Explore their PTSD and just kind of like the feelings that they're going through
through losing all of their family.
Oh my god, I definitely cried during my rewatch when Jim walks in and finds his parents in bed
like holding each other and they have that note that's like, we went to sleep.
(30:20):
And so we hope to see you were asleep.
So we went to sleep too kind of thing.
And then it just says, don't wake up.
Oh my god, he woke up and just found his buried dead.
Yeah.
Rough.
Yeah.
So emotional.
And I'm sure the comic book digs even more into that.
Yeah.
And the comic book is actually where the infection isn't confined to the UK enters the canon.
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And so it hits a global pandemic scale and escapes.
It's interesting.
So now that we kind of know what the canon says about the first two movies, the comic book,
we're going to take a quick break and hop into what we know so far about 28 years later
(31:05):
and what we hope to see.
Okay.
So 28 years later, I don't know about you, but when I watched the trailer, I got like full body
chills. I think I screamed out loud the first day that it was announced about this movie finally coming out.
(31:27):
Yes, I am so excited.
And I remember the first reactions from the trailer.
Everyone thought that zombie was Killian Murphy.
So it looks just like him.
And then eventually it came out.
No, that is an entire other actor.
That is not him and the slightest.
Well, I fully think I look like dead Killian Murphy.
Yeah.
Am I on the wings?
(31:48):
It's a great cheekbones.
Yeah, all amazing cheekbones.
But hopefully Killian Murphy does return as Jim.
We do know that he's coming back as a executive producer.
And last we saw Jim, he's alive.
So it would make me happy to see him and Selena still together.
It's still fighting zombies after all these years.
Yeah, that'd be really interesting for him to live.
(32:12):
It does feel a little hokey for him to survive that long.
Yeah, but who knows just given the harshness of that world.
But I'm all here for it because I want Killian Murphy back.
I just wanted to see him again.
I don't care.
I'd be like, I wanted to hunker down in a shelter for the last 28 years.
I would see the sunlight.
Like I wanted to see him again.
Like a real quiet place.
(32:34):
Killian, like a quiet place too.
And I hope he shows his dick and balls again just for all times.
Yeah, yeah, break out.
Break out post-osfer.
Did he want an oscar?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, hey.
I don't know.
That's a boy movie.
Post-award season.
Let's see the Twig and Berry's post-award season.
[laughs]
Yeah.
So if you watch the trailer,
(32:56):
it really has this kind of like cult religious aspect to it.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think there are a few of them out.
But it really does seem like the people who have survived by this time.
Who do you have to become and what beliefs do you have to have
in order to like live?
They don't like it.
(33:17):
Yeah.
28 years into the apocalypse.
You've had to have done some shit to get this long.
Or there's babies that have been bored.
You never knew a world before this.
Kind of like in the last of us,
like Bella Ramsey's Kelly.
Doesn't even know a little world outside of the apocalypse.
So I'm sure we'll have some of that too.
Why people are reproducing in the apocalypse?
(33:38):
I don't know.
I'm not guys.
Well, I mean,
yeah, I guess, but you know, it's only so effective there.
But that's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just having a baby and like a crying baby.
Yeah.
That sounds awful.
Like in you already mentioned this,
the quiet place where she has the baby.
Oh my god, girl.
Come on.
You'd have to be next to a waterfall.
(34:00):
Oh, listen, just live under that waterfall.
And no, but I'm really I'm excited to see how everyone survived
over the last 28 years.
What society and civilization looks like now.
Yeah.
And the cast is stacked.
We have Jack O'Connell, who was just in centers.
We have a race finds who we were correct.
(34:23):
He got confirmed for the Hunger Games.
Oh, we've tried about so many of them by the way.
So many.
Welcome.
You're welcome.
Pop culture, Jackie.
So do you burn it?
But then we have daddy number three,
Aaron Taylor Johnson.
Oh my god, he's in this.
I'm not forgiving.
Yeah.
Oh, he's so fine.
And mommy number one, Jody Comar.
(34:46):
What?
Jody Comar.
Have you, yeah, have you ever seen killing Eve?
Oh, I've seen her before.
Oh, yeah, she's cool.
Okay.
I'm going to show you.
She's a mom number mom number one.
You shut your horn mouth.
Like, I'm going to shut your horn.
Don't.
No, no.
Okay, first of all, it's mommy number one for this series.
(35:10):
Uh, okay.
Not all mothers of all time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Keep up.
Rose Burns, kind of mother to though.
Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.
A Jody Comar watch killing Eve and I think you'll get it.
I will report back.
You'll get it.
Yeah.
It's good.
It's good stuff.
We have director Danny Boyle returning and then Danny Boyle and Alex Garland
(35:33):
really spearheading the movie.
Just like we had in 28 days later.
Yes, I think it's great to bring back those original directors.
Like, they were there from the onslaught and know the vision.
I love that.
Yeah, and going into it again, the comic book canon isn't movie canon.
So really, well, no, I guess like it's, it hasn't been introduced to the movies.
(35:59):
I guess it's the best way to say that.
Yeah, you're right.
So really speculation about what we might see within this is,
are we going to see the infection hit mainland Europe or America?
Yeah.
Has the virus evolved?
Are there now variants or long term infected that can survive longer?
(36:20):
Yeah.
If it's been 28 years, it had to have spread to other countries, especially after we saw
in 28 weeks later how bad they were at containing this thing.
Like, it took some dumb ass dad is too sticky to give.
So like, it's totally re-rewarded.
Ruined it.
Yeah.
So if it doesn't spread to the rest of the world, I will be disappointed.
(36:41):
Yeah, I think we could see that within it.
And then ultimately, just like we mentioned, the religious aspect of it,
the kind of cultism, the small communities, and outside people are bad.
And what does that do over such a prolonged period of time?
I think it's going to be a really, really interesting world, also post pandemic.
(37:02):
Yeah.
How are we going to make a commentary on that?
It's been 17 years since the first ones came out.
How are they going to evolve it?
Now that the closest thing that any of us have at our time lines of photo quote,
like, "Sick apocalypse or a zombie illness, blue thing, this COVID,
(37:22):
will they, will any of that kind of symbolism work its way in?"
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's a disaster.
Yeah.
I've been on a mask today for the first time in years that I was like,
"Fuck, that's a lot of it."
Also on the summer.
Oh, that's a worst.
Oh, a mask in the summer, ill.
In Arizona, yeah.
Yeah, just sweat out.
(37:43):
Just sweat out.
We're all wet masks.
We're all wet masks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just put it aside.
It's time to be alive.
Yeah.
I really hope that we see Daddy Kellyanne Murphy make a comeback.
And really, if you look at the summary on IMBD,
it's a group of survivors of the rage virus live on a small island.
(38:04):
One of the group members leaves that island to try to go to the mainland.
And they go on a crazy journey.
And so I think that's really going to be an interesting one of like the outsider
in that argument.
Yeah.
So I'm just overall so excited.
We know we're going to get some amazing zombie scenes as well.
I hope it's really good.
I hope it does well.
(38:26):
And I hope it has a good rot in tomato's score.
And it is everything that you and I have been hoping that it'll be.
I feel like they made two bangers.
Yeah, they can't mess this one up.
I'm not like, I agree.
I think it's going to be incredible.
And I also think the budget is so much higher now.
(38:47):
There's special effects and things.
And you just, it's going to look incredible, horrified.
Yeah, and I'm just, I'm really looking forward to it.
And I wish I'd be good to watch it to get there.
We both have to face time each other in a movie theater.
Right.
Here I am.
That won't be annoying in the slide.
It can scare you movie.
(39:07):
It's just like, you're right out.
Oh no, my shick is pure love.
We're just getting murdered in the front of the theater.
Yeah.
This is my podcast host.
We're podcast hosts.
We're podcasting.
Okay.
We have to do this.
We have to do this.
Quick, quick galaxy, galaxy.
Yeah, no.
When it does 28 years later come out.
(39:27):
You can expect 28 years later to come out on June 20th.
We'd love to know your thoughts once the movie comes out.
And which is your favorite of the two movies that we have today?
Ooh, I have a fun fact.
About 28 years later, it was shot on an iPhone 15 pro max in order to make a call back to the original 28 days later,
(39:57):
which was partially filled on a hampled quarter.
So that's kind of cool.
I don't know if the entire thing could be.
Yeah, I'm absolutely fine.
That feels hard.
Maybe it's when the kids are like running.
And yeah, yeah, I could sit down resting.
I like that.
Wow.
Who said we needed new updated cameras?
Yeah, they're too good now.
Get a camera.
Get a camera.
(40:17):
They're good enough for 28 weeks later.
They're good enough for me.
Now, it's time for us to go prepare for the upcoming apocalypse.
Get our bow bags ready.
Whatever one does in his own, be apocalypse to try to survive.
I don't think that's my route.
I shan't wear canary listeners.
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Welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. I'm Olivia and I'm here with.
Hi, I'm Shauna.
And we are sadly not together this time looking longingly into each other's eyes.
No, I miss you.
We're back to an internet relationship.
You know, it feels wrong.
And then I asked Olivia, hey, what's next time you're going to kind of Phoenix and you can go swimming in my pool.
(00:50):
We can hang out. You live in Phoenix. It's going to be like I'm 150, Sean. I'm not fucking coming day or is on it any time in the next five month.
To be fair, if you were paying the rent prices I was paying, you would be like, I agree with that line of thought.
I bet so much in red I could never leave my apartment ever.
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No, it's like if I'm in a pay to have really nice weather, I'm not going to go home during the worst weather.
No, that makes it. That makes it. I just need to come and visit you then.
Oh, what a what a peril twist my arm.
You should come in Justin CK come to say coming to San Francisco.
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Yeah, because CK's team is based here.
The last whole story tell me anything. Well, she just told me so I put me out on the odd guys.
Just you better pets me right after you listen to this episode.
Or else or else friendship over.
Yes. So what have you been up to?
(02:00):
I'm sorry. I left you other than crying.
Oh, I baked fine deplace since I left you. Not just about it. I'm just crying and masturbating and being.
It always has to go there.
It doesn't. Oh my god. If anyone is closeting and I sound little stuffy it's because I am.
But you know what? I'm a big girl and I'm going to work my way through it.
(02:22):
The fans need a recording. So here we are.
Yeah, that's dedication.
As such, I got podcasted. Oh my god. I went to San Diego and I stayed in a festival for the first time ever.
And it was how is that sure?
I don't know if I would ever do it again.
But I'm glad that I did it and then I could cross it off my list.
(02:46):
My two little roommates were so fun.
One girl was like 22 and was in San Diego traveling for the first time by herself to a music
festival. And the other lady was from Brazil and was hitting up the gay clubs every night.
And they were both delightful. So I loved them.
But I was also in downtown San Diego next to the bike clubs and all night.
(03:10):
It was like, it's all my ladies. Where'd you go?
And it was very loud and I was thankful for my ear plug.
But no murders in my hostel, which I guess was cool, but like,
that's how, whether it's murder or nothing happened.
Rude. Rude of them.
(03:31):
I've never stayed in a hostel either.
I might change my mindset if I were like traveling abroad.
But yeah, I feel like my time to stay in a hostel was under 30.
I 36 and I stayed in a hostel to save money.
Yeah, I think you could still do it too.
I think at this age, I'm just not meant to live in a comfortable lab.
(03:54):
I love that. I did have that realization where I was like,
I am accustomed to certain luxuries, like a full bed and a room to myself.
It was all size bad. That was nice.
And I had a little curtain.
You'll appreciate this. When I first showed up, I knew it was going to be bunk beds.
I was prepared to ask them for a bottom bunk.
(04:17):
But when I got in, they really go, get your aside, bunk bed on the left, bottom.
Oh god. No more top bunk for me ever.
Yes, if you get PTSD, like climbing off of it.
I know I saw the ladder and I was like, not today.
Safety. My bones are going to be intact.
(04:38):
Let me stop here to witness the weeping.
Literally dying dog sounds.
I'm happy to realize it was just your foot and not a dying dog.
Oh my god, I would break every bone in my body,
rather than be in a room with a dying dog.
Yeah. 10 out of 10.
Okay. 10 out of 10 agree.
Well, speaking of death,
(05:00):
God, please.
Please, but no.
I'm like, "Sickie's fine.
I know my god."
Ziggy's doing amazing.
I went to a big house.
I went on a little day trip on Saturday.
I went to Marshall, California,
which is like where all of the oyster farms are in the Bay Area,
(05:20):
which I freaking love an oyster so much.
So it was great, but we went the coastal route to get there
and stopped and we were on the coast,
like looking at the rocks.
This is very like big little lies.
I wasn't wearing a card again, unfortunately,
so I could channel Nicole Kidbin in the moment.
(05:40):
Yeah, I know.
I wanted, I needed like a really big one.
It was like a full wrap, like teacher wrap almost.
I needed that.
But I'm going tomorrow.
I'm going to Tiburon,
which is I'm taking the ferry there.
And I'm going to have caviar and champagne in this.
It's amazing.
(06:01):
It's amazing.
Fun without me.
I think you say after you just went on multiple trips.
I know.
But it makes champagne.
Yeah, people, you don't need champagne.
You should have pain and drink caviar.
Yeah, so I'm just
excited about that.
That sounds very cool.
(06:22):
And then I'm also going to be channeling
my inner season one of the OC.
I'm going to an ocean bonfire on Sunday
on Ocean Beach.
No, I've bought a love of good Oshi.
It's going to be cold.
Yeah, are you going to push some on the face?
(06:42):
Sing, look up to the OC bitch.
Except for maybe I'm from Cisco bitch.
It's Ocean Beach.
So maybe welcome to the OB bitch.
But yeah, so I've quite a little lovely Memorial Day weekend planned.
I was violently hung over.
I have a three day hangover this week.
(07:04):
So I was like, okay, I need something that isn't going to be going
absolutely feral or feral.
You're going to get drunk.
I probably, but like I was bad.
I know.
You were responding to my text.
Nice and her one and I was like, you hate me.
It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
She's like, I'm so sorry.
I've just been vomiting.
(07:24):
On the third day, I woke up and threw up.
And I hadn't thrown up the entire three days.
And I was like, how did that just even happen?
Yeah, it wasn't very fun.
I'm spelling the demons from your body.
Don't drink too much.
Listen or eat bad.
You.
Especially if you're over the age of 30, it hurts too bad.
(07:45):
It hurts too bad.
You bet.
I know I'm doing self-ripper tubing on Saturday and I'm kind of never
bad.
Oh, you're going to get so burned.
Last time I did really good because I just mothered myself inside of
the screen.
But well, if you're not from Arizona, you can get
literal second and third degree burns if you're not careful
(08:07):
on this river flow because it's so incredibly hot.
It's so hot.
It's crazy.
But you get to see like wild horses runs with a river.
And then you get to see a lot of drunk like
fat boy is like, yeah, it's got
a little.
So it's like the juxtaposition of nature.
It's mature.
And yeah, there you go.
(08:28):
I might be a buffy prom.
All right, we should probably do our podcast because I know you would have to
catch up for after a bun.
Just.
You get me.
So we are most
awaited film this year.
I think between the two of us, we've even talked about flying to each other to see
this movie.
And maybe we'll circle back on those plans.
(08:49):
Is the 28 years later.
Busy.
And this is later.
Out.
What did I say?
20 years later.
At Booty years.
Really.
They are.
SpongeBob and zombies combined.
Amazing.
So 28 years later comes out.
A June 20th in theaters. And we've been so excited about it.
(09:12):
If you listen to our, what are we excited about at the top of this year?
This was on both of our lists really, really high.
And I think that we both have such a deep love for the 28 days universe.
I don't know what to call it.
I almost called it the 28 universe, but that feels wrong.
That's 20.
The 28 calendar.
For many times, it's broken that Sandra Bullock, a movie where she's in rehab for 20 days.
(09:38):
It was.
I don't know if I've seen that.
Oh God.
I don't know.
28 days later.
That one's called 28 days.
Oh, okay.
There we go.
For this missing bullet.
That's what they do.
Sandees in the apocalypse.
It's the shit that's been she's been in rehab.
It's fine.
So we're going to take a quick break and then we're going to hop into the lower.
(10:07):
So as I mentioned at the beginning of this episode, we're both obsessed with 28 days and 28 weeks later.
I think I've long said 28 days and 28 weeks is a really good example of where a sequel is actually
better than the original one in my opinion, controversial.
I know, but I really wanted to dive into the impact that this movie had on zombie horror in general.
(10:37):
And really just the things that we need to remember as we head into the 28 years movie.
So Sean, tell me the first time you ever saw this movie.
Oh my God.
Okay.
28 days later, I think I saw for the first time in all of it.
I guess it must have been with my ex boyfriend.
Yeah.
And I had only seen really bits and pieces of it over and over and over again.
(11:03):
That makes up the entire movie.
And then I know isn't that crazy.
And then I'd seen the second one multiple times.
But the first one I'd only seen in shocks.
Wow.
Yeah.
And then it's so hard to find it streaming anywhere until recently.
I've tried to find it and it's an irony for years now online.
(11:26):
And it wasn't anywhere until they announced that they were making the third one.
And now find the fourth.
Fine.
So you can even rent it or just wasn't a bill.
It wasn't anywhere.
Like you couldn't even rent it.
And so I rented it last week.
It did a rewatch all the way through.
And there was a lot that I forgot because I hadn't seen it so long.
(11:47):
And then the second one I also watched.
I think when it first came out, I was a huge fan of horror movies.
When I was a...
You were in your Puritan Christian era.
Yeah.
Honestly, yeah.
When I was like a teenager,
I was an indoor horror movies and I was very squeamish.
And now it got a lot really mixed-by-feeling.
(12:09):
Unless it's like,
"Warcher born."
Like, the hostile movies.
Good timing.
Good time or like the terrifying movies.
I don't suck with those.
But every other horror movie I'm fine.
And I can, you know, I don't have a week's stomach.
So yeah, I was a little late on these.
But I love zombie movies.
I love the end of the world of apocalypse.
(12:32):
I think I've talked about that in the podcast.
Or yes, I think that when you look at 28 days later
and the kind of series as a whole,
it was such a unique film at the time,
specifically because a lot of the zombies that we saw
at like, pre-this movie were very slow, right?
They were dead come to life.
(12:54):
Rather than within this movie,
it's actually not dead people coming back to life.
It is what they call the rage virus.
And it's not like your typical zombie.
It kills you and then you resurrect like in the walking dead.
But actually it's kind of like a form of rabies.
Yeah. That happens.
(13:16):
And it makes them ultimately like super aggressive.
And it's a 22nd infection time, which so crazily.
I totally forgot that bit.
Like when, okay, I get this goes without saying,
but we're going to spoil 28 days later,
which in my 20s, 20s, yeah, they came out like 20-some odd years ago.
(13:37):
So get over that.
But when, gosh, I forgot Frank, I think like the guy
that the older man who he's traveling with,
when he get that blood drop in his eye.
Oh, yes, the crow.
Yes, Frank.
Frank Brandon Gleason.
The worst, just Sarah and Deppinus just lands perfectly
in his eyeball right. And immediately he knows he's going to turn.
(13:59):
And yeah, he has like 20 to 30 seconds to just basically tell his daughter,
"Hey, remember, I love you, honey."
And then zombie.
And it's like, oh, shit, that was so.
Yeah, it's ultimately like really, really crazy.
I mean, this movie came out in 2002 when I was rewatching it.
I was just thinking about how it's like a British lab in Cambridge
(14:21):
where scientists were experimenting with trying to isolate
the part of the brain that causes anger
and create like a solution to that, like uncontrollable anger.
And they ended up pairing this virus with Ebola,
like as the carrier for it.
And it mutates into these chimpanzees and they go crazy.
(14:43):
But then PETA comes in and frees these monkeys.
It's such a commentary on life now
to be like, oh, they made it in a lab and it ended the world.
Yeah, just thought of it as extra relevant
to like what we just went through in 2020.
It is super relevant.
I'm reading a book right now actually
kind of about the zombie apocalypse.
(15:04):
Okay.
It is the gnarse of virus
mutated with sexual rage.
So it's horny zombies.
Yeah, it's a very interesting one.
What's the name of it?
American Rapture by CJ Lee.
And it's from the perspective of a very Catholic 16-year-old girl
(15:28):
who is very sheltered her whole life.
Oh, yeah, it's fascinating.
But it is interesting when you set these zombie films
kind of in the reality of what we've dealt with recently, you know.
So it's like the Ebola virus.
We were all like, oh god, 2002.
I want to know from your perspective, do you have a preference
(15:48):
when it comes to zombie films?
Do you like it more when it's a virus?
Or do you like it when the dead come back to life and a thing?
Because we've seen a lot of those in popular culture.
Yes, I think that virus is more interesting
because I do think that it's something that could exist
in like real life, or like a virus like wipes out the human population
(16:13):
that could totally happen.
So I do think that's interesting.
One thing when COVID happened, I love all types of infection movies.
Like, contagious.
I love it.
So good.
Oh my god.
I'm going to watch that.
I watched an insane amount of zombie movies,
like movies like contagion whenever 2020 happened.
(16:33):
So I really do think that that's super interesting.
And a lot of the time, like, even if you look at the happenings,
like the plants evolving, but like nature fighting back,
I think it's such an interesting.
The myth seemed to explore the happening, not the myth,
but you probably haven't seen that because you know,
like I'm not chandelier.
Lama, lama.
No, I love the myth.
(16:54):
No, not the myth, the happening.
Oh, the happening is stupid, but I...
It's good.
That's the Mark Wahlberg one where she's like,
you scuffing to my bent rope so you could check out me.
So I'm my lemon drink.
Yeah.
He's like, what?
No.
Enter that quote, that probably on a weekly basis.
(17:14):
What?
No.
So that is a...
I'm not sure I'm allowed to movie the Andrew Watch.
How do he hates it?
He hates it, but he's seen it.
He's seen it and he ate it.
And I...
Yeah, I think the most important part of why these zombies are so
God dang scary is they can run so fast.
(17:36):
Like they aren't...
Our zombies are terrified.
That you're so low, lumbery.
I just crawled out from the dead in the grave.
And like my arm is falling off zombies.
I can take you down.
Right.
When...
Maybe I'll get overpowered if there's a thaw is in the view,
but like I got you.
If you're an athletic zombie who is...
(17:57):
I don't know, has a virus in you?
Over there?
Yeah.
Then no, I fuck.
I'm fucked.
Especially because...
I don't know.
If they like what those zombies do,
they retain their human characteristics.
Like in this movie, they look like humans, just their eyes change colors.
And they get all feral and shit.
(18:18):
But you know, if somebody's face is falling off,
then I'm a little more like, "Oh, you're a zombie.
I can kill you easily."
You don't...
You lose that like human like quality that makes you feel guilty about killing someone.
Yeah.
I think the only other faster zombie that has been seen in cinema
are the World War Z zombies.
I'd say the World War Z zombies were stupid.
(18:39):
They were too fast.
They felt like a zombie pyramid.
It's so unfortunate because World War Z,
the book is so good.
Yeah, read the book.
Read the book.
It's amazing.
And it's like anthology.
But they're making of all these different stories
who lived through World War Z.
So very, very good.
(19:00):
This movie was actually a daddy number one,
Killian Murphy's breakout role.
I typically think she showed as a dick and as a breakout role.
A bald...
Yeah.
A bald...
What in two minutes of him on screen?
See his dick and balls?
Yeah.
And ultimately we see a nod to this opening scene.
(19:23):
So Killian Murphy is the main character that we follow through the film.
And he wakes up from a coma.
So think very like walking dead.
I was just gonna say the walking dead took so much inspiration from this, obviously.
Yeah.
With the actual...
The last little...
And it is such a powerful plot device, right?
(19:44):
Like the world was something when you went to sleep.
And then when you woke up, it was completely destroyed.
Yeah.
The cast that we see is really pretty small.
Throughout we have the main evil guy is the military,
which is kind of a theme throughout.
The prior power structures no longer work within this world.
(20:05):
And it's very, very interesting.
We see a lot of malice through reason.
I guess it's the best way to say it.
Yeah.
Where it's like...
You stop to see people as people.
And I feel like that is a common theme in zombie movies.
Obviously the zombies are the big overarching threat.
But also the threat is just humanity and what we do in our most vulnerable and depraved moments.
(20:29):
So even in the walking dead in the most recent seasons towards the end,
the zombies were whatever, right?
These guys are so good at killing zombies.
The real enemy is like what people will do to each other,
which is really what it got to at the end of this movie.
And I've forgotten that plot point.
And then once they got to that military zone,
(20:50):
it becomes clear very quickly.
There's something going on.
Good, right?
And you realize they're all men.
And then they keep saying over the radio,
"Oh, the characters here, the salvage, and it's here."
And you're like, "Okay, they want to repopulate the Earth."
They're going to try to assault the women, for sure.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's that's of so common in zombie movies.
(21:11):
But I like it.
It talks to our more deeper, feral instincts
and what we humankind destroys itself.
Yeah, absolutely.
And you see that throughout zombie films.
It's always the people who try to maintain control that have the worst ends in the world
that all control has been lost.
So it's very interesting.
It's like a common plot device.
It's directed by Danny Boyle.
(21:33):
It's shot in a really unique way for the time as well.
It's shot on a Canon XL1.
And it has this kind of not-found footage,
but you feel like you're there with them.
Yeah.
What?
When I first rented it a couple days ago,
like, I paid money for it.
And I said, "Why is this potato quality?"
(21:53):
Like, "Well, it is this look like ass."
And then as it went on, I was like, "Oh, I feel like it's supposed to."
I don't look like ass.
It is from 2002.
But yeah, it is.
It's just like, "I feel like that's what they're going for here."
Yeah, absolutely.
And then it's written by Alex Garland and really just a great film.
And it really revived the zombie for interest and made it really, really interesting.
(22:17):
Now, like I said before, 28 weeks later,
it's actually my favorite of the two.
It is more readily available to watch.
And that one was just kind of be certified.
I don't think I have to pay for that one.
Yeah.
And in this one, we have Robert Carlisle, Roseburn, Jeremy Renner.
Yeah.
We have Harold Parano.
So there are people in it.
(22:38):
Okay.
Robert Carlisle, who I love from once upon a time,
he plays Rumble Still Skin.
He's forever Rumble Still Skin.
These are every time I see him.
I'll look at Rumble Still Skin.
Roseburn is wonderful.
Jeremy Renner is Hawkeye, aka Hot Guy.
I didn't call with that.
And Harold Parano, who's a great guy.
(22:59):
Yes.
And then of course, we have Daddy,
Idris Elba in it as like,
had a military guy, I guess.
There's half a sector per time.
So 28 weeks later is, as you can imagine,
28 weeks after the initial zombie apocalypse that breaks out within London.
(23:22):
Yeah.
I guess the UK as a whole,
the island itself, it does go from Cambridge to London to Scotland and all those surrounding here.
And then they say spreads worldwide.
I think they mentioned first one.
There was outbreaks in New York and they mentioned like other countries.
I think it's going worldwide, right?
Yeah.
So in the movies itself,
(23:43):
the NATO and US military come to London to help them resettle the UK itself.
So at the time, I don't think that it was as big of a thing within the US.
So they were trying to keep it out.
You're right.
You're right.
Okay.
Yeah, but it did spread to the rest of the UK.
Okay.
(24:03):
Yes.
Yes.
And so the plot is that the US military comes in because of course they do.
And they can help themselves.
Yeah.
And they are trying to rebuild London.
The disease itself is said to at this 28 weeks later,
most of the zombies that were in the initial outbreak have starved out.
(24:29):
And it kind of shows that at the end of 28 days later,
they do like an overarching shot and then kind of like not disintegrating,
but kind of dying on the ground.
So you're like, oh, they're obviously starving.
But yeah.
And so you and children don't come.
It's bucket all.
Yeah.
So you come into 28 weeks later like, okay, all the zombies died out
(24:51):
or whatever starved to death, I guess, because they're not actually dead.
And so they ultimately aren't that big of an issue.
There's still some lingering ones because not everyone got affected at the same time.
But it's largely like a neutralized threat.
And they're starting to build the city infrastructure again.
Yes.
And so Robert Carlisle who's done in it, we meet him in the opening scene.
(25:16):
And he is a survivor and his children were not in the UK.
So they are coming back to live with him.
Andy and Tammy.
And they know that their mother is dead, I guess, not actually dead.
But they know that she's gone.
They think that she was attacked by a horde of zombies.
(25:36):
In the opening scene, we see Dawn abandon his wife.
Oh, that's, yeah.
Definitely abandoned her.
In the countryside, zombies overtake the house.
And he leaves her there to get like eaten by the zombie.
You see her in the window.
She's like, help me and he runs away.
(25:58):
And so the kids don't know that that happened because, of course,
you wouldn't tell your children, hey, just your mom.
They say that he sees her die.
Right.
And so the kids come in there in this military zone and they want to go back to their house
and look for a picture of their mother and they find their mother there.
In this house.
(26:19):
These kids.
I remember watching this movie just being like, of course, it was children who reason.
This is why I don't want to.
This is why I will never rip it out.
The children restarted the bugle.
Yes.
And so this one's super interesting because the disease has largely like died out or whatever.
We don't know if animals can contain the virus and carry the virus.
(26:43):
They don't get infected.
But this movie introduces a carrier.
So people have been infected but don't actually get the rage virus.
Yes.
That's right.
So the mother that he abandoned actually has that and ends up surviving.
And the US military instead of immediately killing her,
they want to do tests on her to see can we create an antidote.
(27:05):
And then dirty dawn ruins everything.
I feel like it's like the kid goes in.
And so he gets infected and the outbreak comes again.
And so he kisses her in the media.
It gets infected.
Yeah.
The come on, bro.
Yeah.
And so this one is quite interesting.
I think it's just larger and at scale.
(27:27):
Yes.
When you're 28 days later, you don't really see like the moment of outbreak.
But you see it within 28 weeks later and just like how quickly everything goes to shit
in that moment.
Yeah, it is a larger scale because you're there with Jeremy Reddard,
part of the American military who's trying to help roll it.
(27:47):
Rose Burns character works for the military too or the government.
She's like a doctor.
She's the one who wants to make the antidote.
Yeah.
And so it's definitely like we're 28 days with some more like personal story,
which I like.
These like each movie gets a little bigger,
which is what I'm expecting for the third one as well.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
I think the past is the bigger the scale get.
(28:09):
Yeah.
And Idris Alva, he has a really good monologue within this movie where she is talking about
like the needs of the many overruled, the needs of a few.
And if we can save the world by this, we can kill everyone in here.
And they're making that moral argument ultimately.
So it's not just like all of England in order to save the world.
(28:33):
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so we follow these kids through the story.
Obviously Don dies because he's patient zero again.
Because he's done it.
But dirty Don, dirty Don, patient zero.
I think if you've never seen these movies, they are so amazing and really gritty and have
such a good moral thought to them as well.
(28:55):
I agree.
And just great Gore as well.
Yeah.
It's great horror and it's gory but not like over the top.
Grituitous for you and a score just the right amount.
It really keeps the work around it and like this or all.
So yeah, good movies all around.
Yeah.
And you are a comic book person more than me.
(29:16):
Did you ever read the comic books?
I did it.
I honestly didn't know there were comic books.
But it makes sense.
I feel like there's a lot of comic books for these kind of series movies,
especially to fill in gaps for things.
Yeah.
What happened off screen?
What happened when we weren't paying attention or what was going on.
So I think it'd be really interesting to read them.
(29:36):
Yeah.
There's some wonderful issues that she put in there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Selena from 28 days later hired by American journalist trying to document the outbreak
and she goes back into the infected zones.
And you really just explore what this would do to the different characters in a deeper way.
(29:58):
Yeah.
You can't hear someone's internal monologue, but in a comic you could.
Absolutely.
Explore their PTSD and just kind of like the feelings that they're going through
through losing all of their family.
Oh my god, I definitely cried during my rewatch when Jim walks in and finds his parents in bed
like holding each other and they have that note that's like, we went to sleep.
(30:20):
And so we hope to see you were asleep.
So we went to sleep too kind of thing.
And then it just says, don't wake up.
Oh my god, he woke up and just found his buried dead.
Yeah.
Rough.
Yeah.
So emotional.
And I'm sure the comic book digs even more into that.
Yeah.
And the comic book is actually where the infection isn't confined to the UK enters the canon.
(30:44):
And so it hits a global pandemic scale and escapes.
It's interesting.
So now that we kind of know what the canon says about the first two movies, the comic book,
we're going to take a quick break and hop into what we know so far about 28 years later
(31:05):
and what we hope to see.
Okay.
So 28 years later, I don't know about you, but when I watched the trailer, I got like full body
chills. I think I screamed out loud the first day that it was announced about this movie finally coming out.
(31:27):
Yes, I am so excited.
And I remember the first reactions from the trailer.
Everyone thought that zombie was Killian Murphy.
So it looks just like him.
And then eventually it came out.
No, that is an entire other actor.
That is not him and the slightest.
Well, I fully think I look like dead Killian Murphy.
Yeah.
Am I on the wings?
(31:48):
It's a great cheekbones.
Yeah, all amazing cheekbones.
But hopefully Killian Murphy does return as Jim.
We do know that he's coming back as a executive producer.
And last we saw Jim, he's alive.
So it would make me happy to see him and Selena still together.
It's still fighting zombies after all these years.
Yeah, that'd be really interesting for him to live.
(32:12):
It does feel a little hokey for him to survive that long.
Yeah, but who knows just given the harshness of that world.
But I'm all here for it because I want Killian Murphy back.
I just wanted to see him again.
I don't care.
I'd be like, I wanted to hunker down in a shelter for the last 28 years.
I would see the sunlight.
Like I wanted to see him again.
Like a real quiet place.
(32:34):
Killian, like a quiet place too.
And I hope he shows his dick and balls again just for all times.
Yeah, yeah, break out.
Break out post-osfer.
Did he want an oscar?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, hey.
I don't know.
That's a boy movie.
Post-award season.
Let's see the Twig and Berry's post-award season.
[laughs]
Yeah.
So if you watch the trailer,
(32:56):
it really has this kind of like cult religious aspect to it.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think there are a few of them out.
But it really does seem like the people who have survived by this time.
Who do you have to become and what beliefs do you have to have
in order to like live?
They don't like it.
(33:17):
Yeah.
28 years into the apocalypse.
You've had to have done some shit to get this long.
Or there's babies that have been bored.
You never knew a world before this.
Kind of like in the last of us,
like Bella Ramsey's Kelly.
Doesn't even know a little world outside of the apocalypse.
So I'm sure we'll have some of that too.
Why people are reproducing in the apocalypse?
(33:38):
I don't know.
I'm not guys.
Well, I mean,
yeah, I guess, but you know, it's only so effective there.
But that's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just having a baby and like a crying baby.
Yeah.
That sounds awful.
Like in you already mentioned this,
the quiet place where she has the baby.
Oh my god, girl.
Come on.
You'd have to be next to a waterfall.
(34:00):
Oh, listen, just live under that waterfall.
And no, but I'm really I'm excited to see how everyone survived
over the last 28 years.
What society and civilization looks like now.
Yeah.
And the cast is stacked.
We have Jack O'Connell, who was just in centers.
We have a race finds who we were correct.
(34:23):
He got confirmed for the Hunger Games.
Oh, we've tried about so many of them by the way.
So many.
Welcome.
You're welcome.
Pop culture, Jackie.
So do you burn it?
But then we have daddy number three,
Aaron Taylor Johnson.
Oh my god, he's in this.
I'm not forgiving.
Yeah.
Oh, he's so fine.
And mommy number one, Jody Comar.
(34:46):
What?
Jody Comar.
Have you, yeah, have you ever seen killing Eve?
Oh, I've seen her before.
Oh, yeah, she's cool.
Okay.
I'm going to show you.
She's a mom number mom number one.
You shut your horn mouth.
Like, I'm going to shut your horn.
Don't.
No, no.
Okay, first of all, it's mommy number one for this series.
(35:10):
Uh, okay.
Not all mothers of all time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Keep up.
Rose Burns, kind of mother to though.
Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.
A Jody Comar watch killing Eve and I think you'll get it.
I will report back.
You'll get it.
Yeah.
It's good.
It's good stuff.
We have director Danny Boyle returning and then Danny Boyle and Alex Garland
(35:33):
really spearheading the movie.
Just like we had in 28 days later.
Yes, I think it's great to bring back those original directors.
Like, they were there from the onslaught and know the vision.
I love that.
Yeah, and going into it again, the comic book canon isn't movie canon.
So really, well, no, I guess like it's, it hasn't been introduced to the movies.
(35:59):
I guess it's the best way to say that.
Yeah, you're right.
So really speculation about what we might see within this is,
are we going to see the infection hit mainland Europe or America?
Yeah.
Has the virus evolved?
Are there now variants or long term infected that can survive longer?
(36:20):
Yeah.
If it's been 28 years, it had to have spread to other countries, especially after we saw
in 28 weeks later how bad they were at containing this thing.
Like, it took some dumb ass dad is too sticky to give.
So like, it's totally re-rewarded.
Ruined it.
Yeah.
So if it doesn't spread to the rest of the world, I will be disappointed.
(36:41):
Yeah, I think we could see that within it.
And then ultimately, just like we mentioned, the religious aspect of it,
the kind of cultism, the small communities, and outside people are bad.
And what does that do over such a prolonged period of time?
I think it's going to be a really, really interesting world, also post pandemic.
(37:02):
Yeah.
How are we going to make a commentary on that?
It's been 17 years since the first ones came out.
How are they going to evolve it?
Now that the closest thing that any of us have at our time lines of photo quote,
like, "Sick apocalypse or a zombie illness, blue thing, this COVID,
(37:22):
will they, will any of that kind of symbolism work its way in?"
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's a disaster.
Yeah.
I've been on a mask today for the first time in years that I was like,
"Fuck, that's a lot of it."
Also on the summer.
Oh, that's a worst.
Oh, a mask in the summer, ill.
In Arizona, yeah.
Yeah, just sweat out.
(37:43):
Just sweat out.
We're all wet masks.
We're all wet masks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just put it aside.
It's time to be alive.
Yeah.
I really hope that we see Daddy Kellyanne Murphy make a comeback.
And really, if you look at the summary on IMBD,
it's a group of survivors of the rage virus live on a small island.
(38:04):
One of the group members leaves that island to try to go to the mainland.
And they go on a crazy journey.
And so I think that's really going to be an interesting one of like the outsider
in that argument.
Yeah.
So I'm just overall so excited.
We know we're going to get some amazing zombie scenes as well.
I hope it's really good.
I hope it does well.
(38:26):
And I hope it has a good rot in tomato's score.
And it is everything that you and I have been hoping that it'll be.
I feel like they made two bangers.
Yeah, they can't mess this one up.
I'm not like, I agree.
I think it's going to be incredible.
And I also think the budget is so much higher now.
(38:47):
There's special effects and things.
And you just, it's going to look incredible, horrified.
Yeah, and I'm just, I'm really looking forward to it.
And I wish I'd be good to watch it to get there.
We both have to face time each other in a movie theater.
Right.
Here I am.
That won't be annoying in the slide.
It can scare you movie.
(39:07):
It's just like, you're right out.
Oh no, my shick is pure love.
We're just getting murdered in the front of the theater.
Yeah.
This is my podcast host.
We're podcast hosts.
We're podcasting.
Okay.
We have to do this.
We have to do this.
Quick, quick galaxy, galaxy.
Yeah, no.
When it does 28 years later come out.
(39:27):
You can expect 28 years later to come out on June 20th.
We'd love to know your thoughts once the movie comes out.
And which is your favorite of the two movies that we have today?
Ooh, I have a fun fact.
About 28 years later, it was shot on an iPhone 15 pro max in order to make a call back to the original 28 days later,
(39:57):
which was partially filled on a hampled quarter.
So that's kind of cool.
I don't know if the entire thing could be.
Yeah, I'm absolutely fine.
That feels hard.
Maybe it's when the kids are like running.
And yeah, yeah, I could sit down resting.
I like that.
Wow.
Who said we needed new updated cameras?
Yeah, they're too good now.
Get a camera.
Get a camera.
(40:17):
They're good enough for 28 weeks later.
They're good enough for me.
Now, it's time for us to go prepare for the upcoming apocalypse.
Get our bow bags ready.
Whatever one does in his own, be apocalypse to try to survive.
I don't think that's my route.
I shan't wear canary listeners.
(40:39):
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