August 29, 2024 • 55 mins
Shauna is obsessed with getting through this journey we call life, and what better way to do that than with a little bit of pop culture? She has controversial takes on the finales of both House of the Dragon and The Bear, and watching the Love Island reunion makes her wonder if she should catch the U.K. episodes. Olivia speaks out in defense of Blake Lively, who got roasted about stuff her hubby didn’t when his new movie came out. And a new documentary about the murder of Laci Peterson has her wondering if the husband really was the killer. Then the Junkies look at how certain music trends seem to accompany hard times economically. Can you use the popularity of Chappell Roan and Sabrina Carpenter to know when it’s time to start hoarding resources? Listen and find out!
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[Music]
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Welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. I'm Olivia here with my fellow Junkie.--
Shauna and you know what listeners it feels like it's been a while because it has been but
what have you been obsessed with recently? I've been obsessed with just like making it through
what I'm going to the next. She's sure any week all right? So, staring into the void,
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using slipping silently into madness. You know it has been a while. I know you travel too much
and I miss you whenever you're gone. But I have been watching a lot of stuff. I have a list.
Okay, the void has colors. The void has colors. There is stuff in the void. Okay. I slip into it
and then I turn on television. Everything feels right again. Yeah. All right, I will vote for you.
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I'm going to do a quick rundown. Okay. And some of them are pops. Send up them are drops.
And some are a little in between airs. Okay. Okay. Real vast. Umbrella Academy aired its final
season. Do you watch that show? No, I never have. And I've heard good things. The first couple
seasons are very good. This last season was short. It was only I want to say eight. So it's
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wrong. Why don't you stop for us to keep doing? I don't know. And so it definitely feels rushed.
And there's a lot of character choices that are questionable, including one romantic relationship
that comes out of nowhere. Yeah. With characters who are seemingly other already in relationships.
Okay. I don't know. There's this like gossip girl and we're like, much shuffled. Literally. It's
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like it's the final season. Why don't we just put her with him instead of him? Yeah. It's I don't know.
So it was a little strange ending. But overall, you know, I've always enjoyed watching that show.
I'm going to go a little middle on the ending. The final episode. I won't spoil it for anybody who's
listening. But I don't know how I also wanted to end other than what it did. So would you so recommend
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people watch the show as a whole as a whole as like an entire four-season art? Yes, absolutely.
Okay. I really liked it as an entire series. Okay. Did it stick the landing? I think it did a
couple flips and they cut it tripped in the end and still maybe got a top four. I don't know. Yeah.
It is tricky to find an ending that everyone loves. Absolutely. And I've seen a lot of stuff online.
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If people just hating this season. Yeah. And I didn't hate it. I didn't think it was like
game of thrones level. Yeah. Next or level. Yeah. Bullshit. But speaking of, we in our absence,
tossing the dragon ended. Yeah. How do you feel about that ending? You know, I really was on the edge
of my seat for a couple scenes. Okay. We are going to get spoilery with this one as it aired. God, like
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a couple of weeks ago. I don't know. But Alice, it comes to Ranera and it's like, yeah, bitch, I'm out.
Take it. Yeah. My sons are either rotting or insane. She's like, yeah, I'm not all bad. She will
analysis. My daughter float in the river somewhere that's stare at the sky. Yeah. It just
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bitch. You run away here is how you take over. Here it is. Yes. Overplatter. So I saw this in front of
the CEO of my company. Just know how incredibly and appropriate. I said the entire season to
a house of the dragon felt like edging. And he was like, I'm unfamiliar with the term edging.
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No. And so this is giving. And Brad Perry was here. And we like said some word. He's like, what is that?
Yeah. And we're like, shit. Now we got to tell Brad Perry what edging is. And he's like, he's
show, but we were on a large table of 10 people from my company. And I just pulled up Irving
Dictionary. And I was like, this is what Irving Dictionary said. I jump it. He says it out loud. Yeah. And
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he's just like, got it. That entire season was edging. And I never reach my wall. I got right to
the end where you're trying to. And then you can't. Yeah. That final phone. So you just said, yeah,
it was fun. But maybe we should call it right here. Yeah. Because the end of season one was so
yeah, like you were just like, I want more. Yeah. They're going into dangerous territory, I think. And
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they I think they were stirring up some Game of Thrones last season haters with that. And didn't
go and think it was that bad. I think if season three doesn't start off with an absolute like
finger like we're at war like this is going people are like turn on it. I think so too. Like I I
haven't turned on it. Yeah. But I've been watching a lot of I watched most shows with my husband.
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And he's such a hater. Literally a brelic had me by the end. He's like, this is bullshit.
I hate so many things. Yeah. And I was like, it was not that bad. Okay. And then we're like
nearing the end of season two of House of Dragon. He's like, this show sucks. And I'm like,
you are being way too definitive with this is bullshit and this sucks. They're interested.
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You want? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So he's very in the moment. Yeah. He was like, this is boring.
This sucks. And I'm like, I don't think it's boring. Like I think they're again edge just a little too much.
I know. And if you edge somebody that hard, you're even with blue balls. Yeah. Or make them come.
They're asked we want to be other is another argument why you should have 10 episodes per season.
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And HV all kind of now Netflix cut it out. Like Bridgerton would have been so much better if it
had been 10 episodes. Is it not enough? Bridgerton season three that relationship. Yeah. So
rush. Yeah. Which is why I see my face eight. Bridgerton. And we used to have like lost, which was a 25
episode season. And that's a little too much to me. Like all of the shows that I'm going to do.
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You're like 26 episodes. You get all those fillers in the middle. Yeah. But like Buffy and Angel were all 25, 26 episodes.
And it was wrong. Dang it. Bring that back. Like I, again, it's expensive. But if they were doing it in the
I do. I can do it. Yeah. Yeah. No. And then like, I'm thinking like stranger things. They all,
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they had shorter seasons, but each episode was like two hours. Yeah. Or something. So it was like, I
almost like don't like each time. Though where it's really long. Yeah. Like I kind of like the little break.
Like the mid-season. Like family. Get more water. Go to the bathroom. You know. That's with the pause buttons. Yeah.
No. No, no. No. No pausing. Yeah. And a binge. It's like, okay, title. I know. I go. You know, I had a mid-season finale.
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That's another show that wasn't even on my list. Again, so fucking goofy. This is and it kinda guys always goofy. This shows goofy. Okay, that was a point of pain.
But there's a lot of points this season where I went this whole episode was unnecessary if they all just communicated with each other.
If they all just treated the situation like adults that is the most frustrating trope all times.
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If you just had a conversation and were like, who do we think we should send to the
Hintai Sentai? I don't remember what it's called. Hintai. There's like in this karate championship that they're all trying to go to.
And it's like the the Sentai Hintai.
No, it's just you.
Dude, it was sentai Hintai and it's like karate championship.
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Count me in. I don't want to get there too.
And it's so obvious. Wish of the characters should go because they're like, we got to use our top six karate fighters to go.
There's six of them? There's like, there's 25 karate kids on this show.
You don't matter. You'll see a kid in the background. He's like, just say and you're like, who the fuck are you?
And he's like, maybe I'm gonna get chosen for the anti-Sintai. No, you're not. No, you're not.
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Oh wow. That the main six characters, you're like, it's gonna be them and then they throw in, I don't know if they would have just been like,
we're gonna treat this like adults and choose our top six.
They would cut out so many episodes.
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Well, maybe you're gonna feel just like, it had to be like 12 people, you know,
dude. No, the Hintai Sentai will only take your top six. No, I'm not like 12 characters that they were like fighting,
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like 12 total in the competition. So 25, you know. It's so tough. It's so tough.
Okay. And then there's an evil karate organization's working in the shadow.
Okay. You can tell they're evil because they're Asian. It's like weirdly racist. I don't know. It's just,
oh, why? Like the squirrel?
He's like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I wasn't even gonna go off like cover cover.
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I got rid of him. Okay.
Speaking of going back to boring shows, I'm about to say something a little controversial.
Yeah. And I will not spoil this show. Okay.
Because I know you have not started season three. Season three of the bear is incredibly boring.
Like I am, I saw them first too so far and he in thoughts who get through boring. Yeah. I can't.
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No, not the third season. Curls. It's so boring. And please, if anybody's watching this,
they're like, no, it's artistic. I think it's reached new levels of like pretentiousness. I could see that.
And they're trying to be artsy and deep, but it's just boring. It's just not hitting the way they want
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them to. No, there's just wandering, the andering conversations between characters that don't need
to be happening. Yeah. And characters will pop up and you'll go, who is that again? Oh, I guess it's
important. Okay. And no, we need to spend the next 15 minutes breaking down his childhood trauma.
Okay. What's like, I don't know, it just, I'm the Christmas episode and the one where Sydney accidentally
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makes all those to go orders. Yeah. Like those are such good ups. And there's so much screaming.
There's less screaming this season two, which I actually kind of bet. Okay. You don't know.
Season three of the bear, please let me know if you have a very different one. You're in me. Yeah.
Papa, but I am who I'm into here once I get there. I kind of took too much of the bear in, you know,
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I put myself in a bear food coma. You were, and I'm ready to go back. Yeah. You know, I was full on it.
I'm ready to get back into it. You digest it. Yeah. To get through. Yeah. She's ready. Okay.
Next on my list is show that I recently discovered that I've been bingeing that I'm really into.
Where the actress is from, Cocoa Pia's at it. It's a show called School Spirits. It is a paramount plus
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original, but I've found it on Netflix. I'm not sure. That's possible. Somebody explained it to me.
Maybe they created stuff. I don't know. Swapped pics. I think so. I think they might have swapped some
pics. Yeah. Hey, who do you have? Who do you have? That's Sydney's called Spirits.
And who do you have? I did. If you show me yours.
Simea went and Peyton, uh, of Whitney Peyton. Shout out to Whitney Peyton. We love you. Peyton
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list is the actress in this show. Simea's on Peyton list content. Okay. So School Spirits is a show.
It's one season long so far. They are quoting season two. And it's about a bunch of high school students.
The main girl, Maddie, was murdered at her high school. And she wakes up as a ghost. I have heard
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about this. Yes. And she and a bunch of other ghosts who have died throughout the past 50 years.
Is this really just children are there in the school? A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot.
Yes. A Spestus in the Wallas. What's going on there? A peanut. When he wasn't surprised to. A
bunch of kids died on like a school bay and marching trip. Buzz accident. Okay. Long girls like
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guidance counselor murdered her. We don't know at the point I'm in and season one. How Maddie was murdered.
But she wakes up dead. I have heard this was good. I am really enjoying it. Okay. So it's got a great cast.
Everybody has their place. She's got one group of friends who are all ghosts. So it's like the dead
friends who are haunting the school. It's a dark comedy. Yeah. They all know how they died.
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Maddie doesn't know how she died, which is kind of unusual if I guess for a ghost. Do not remember.
Or like not know yet. The exact. Yeah. So I'm sure the finale of season one will find out how she died.
Maybe find her body because she can't they no one has found her body. And so she's going around the
school and like kind of following her boyfriend around. She's just my. Yeah. And like he was cheating
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on her and like it's just all this scandal scandal and drama and I got a little misty eye in the
her. He's got this own. Okay. Yeah. Sounds like I need to watch that. That sounds amazing. It's really
funny and like reminds me of. I don't know like those kind of fluffy eyes on the S. Life's the
female character and she's. I don't know powers that she's dead and she's watching her school. Yeah.
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Trying to solve real murder. I'm a believer that Spooky season starts right after 4th of July.
So I literally was like do I put my home decorations out years or any hour because he had it.
Spooky July party. I took them down a lot. I know. Well my office is always home. Yeah.
And it's always for me. But I took down my house. Like I'm already I've already planned some
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spooky events at my apartment. Really? You can come. She's like it's with it's with the middle school
friends. But we could also paint pumpkins because for some reason when I try to get a pumpkin and
my body doesn't like it. I love painting pumpkins. Yeah. So I think that might have a Halloween party.
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If you want to eat something you should because then it'll be cool and I can stand the backyard.
That's true. We could put down a cup for you and you could say there. Olivia's very allergic to my
stuff. Yeah. And we've tried all the remedial symptoms. We haven't tried you sleeping in the yard.
Yeah. We'll report back. Give me a drug and we might try to. I didn't even think about that though.
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Maybe I won't have one because I don't want you to be in this wrong issue. But I can say I'm longer.
Okay. We'll talk about this later. We need something of our costumes too. Okay. The one final thing
is Love Island that show. Oh my god. I have two final things. Love Island.
Airdits reunion last night. It was screaming. It was incredible. I am officially obsessed with this
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show. I can't wait for the next season. Yeah. Summer. You have to watch it. So you're going to go back and
watch some of the UK ones. I know. Now maybe hunt boring enough. I mean I have so much content. I'm
shocked. Yeah. Right now. If you're a love island, girly message also to what seasons of the UK.
To watch because apparently it's a good idea. UK is better than the US. This is the first season where the US
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has been good. Yeah. Do you know these people love Ariana Grande? Are you a continuing? Do you like
the love Ariana Madden? I feel like she was hilarious. And from DPR and kind of brought that people
wanted to make the show. So yeah. Successful. So and but yeah. I loved all of them on the show. I
loved Kayla. Fuck Evan and Serena and Portell with his cheeses. I just I loved it all. So I'm going to
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pop love Island. And then finally I watched Alien Romulus, the newest Alien movie. Okay. And I'm
going to pop that too. I really enjoyed it. It was like a good mix between like Prometheus,
like those kind of newer more recent Alien movies, but then also like the older one. Lots of throwbacks,
the original. I don't know. I really just like the Alien universe. And so I'm going to watch
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anything that comes out. Yeah. Okay. But yeah. So I would pop that. It's a good time.
All right. There's facehuggers. There's chest bursters. There's the bar. There's the chest burst.
Well, that sounds really bad. I'm done. I think I got through everything.
So I've been on the opposite side of watching things. I have been keeping up with
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the Kardashians. Not really. What we did actually watch some episodes of Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
Yeah. A little teaser for upcoming episodes. Stay tuned. But no, I've been keeping up with all
this Blake Live. We it ends with us. Drama. I can't stop watching it. Which for
all I know what I think is the craziest thing is everyone like jumping to this Justin Baldone guy
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and to be fair, I know nothing about this and nothing. And Colleen Hoover is a very controversial
author in general. She said on the road that the movie's going to be the end of the book. It ends
with us. It was already very controversial for glamorizing like TV. Yeah. And so it was kind of like
a curse project. But did you ever read it? No. No. I'm actually never going to call it a
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new bird. I've been told to stay away. My job is their fairy having sex. No. No. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. So
this rumor drama gets started and everyone on the cast. Justin Baldone is the director of the producer
and the actor. And he's the main actor. And not a single one from the cast follows this man. He
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his own co-host isn't even like tagging him in things. And all of a sudden everyone was like it's
like fault. But Justin Baldone is an advocate for less toxic. And I was like, any why? It was like
this is why I say or men are weaponizing therapy. Yes. They really are. And like they got one therapy
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session and they're like, you're just lighting. Yeah. And I to be fair, like I think the way he is
talking about the message of the movie is probably a little bit better than the way Black Lives Matter is.
She just the way the people have jumped on hating Black Lives Matter. And like you can just admit that
like you wish you had her hair. Like it's okay. She's not. Let's honestly know. Like whoa. Okay, first of all
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Deadpool vs Wolverine came out like a month ago and it smashed it. Everybody globally loves this movie.
So we all love Ryan Reynolds and him and Blake Lively are kind of like a little package deal.
They're so wildly in love when it's him who has a movie out. Then we're all like, oh my god, this is
the cutest couple. Holly would look at her supporter man. And she has like a very small bit heart spoilers
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for Deadpool. Yeah, spoiler. And it's very. She's Lady Deadpool. Maybe she ever takes off her mask.
Yeah, you hear her voice. Yeah. And then when she has a movie coming out, all of a sudden all of these
seemingly like feminist websites like very Sue are digging up any article they can find that is
anti Blake Lively in posting like 15 times a day. Yeah, he was crazy to me. I was like, first of all
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any guy who's like, I'm a nice guy. Not probably not a nice guy. Yeah, like if you have to say it,
like you're probably not. No, no, absolutely. And yeah, it's been very, very interesting. I was like,
well, every time I'm like, yeah, we're getting so far. I'm like, just kidding. No. And like, okay, I've
heard the commentary that Ryan Reynolds got married to plantation, right? Yeah, that's problematic.
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Absolutely. Yeah. Why didn't we talk about that when Ryan Reynolds had movie? Yeah. Why is this coming
back up in the news now that Blake Lively is? Yeah, I mean, it's so misogynistic. And obviously it's
problematic. You married it. Funky plantation. Yeah, don't do it. Super topic. Yeah, to that.
Exactly. They're wedding did cause Pinterest to no longer allow searching plantation. What are you
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really? So, you know, some interesting stuff. What else have I been obsessed with? Very
demure, very mindful. See how I show up to the function. You would know, like you have been
demure in our life. No, I could not stop saying it. I was in San Francisco this last weekend. And I
went to a drug show and I just kept saying very demure, very mindful. See how we show up to the
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function and not like you other girl. I should not stop saying it is the opposite of demure mindful.
It's just a cackling asshole. That's me. Yeah, basically this podcast. This podcast is the
opposite of demure in my palm. Yeah. You want to listen to some shwale bitch? I love it. I love it.
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You said something about the Lacey Peterson documentary too. Yes. So as of
when we're recording this, I have not yet watched the peacock documentary. So I'm going to say that
first. But so basically there are two documentaries that are coming out. Netflix released it's
Lacey Peterson documentary. I think last week it's a four part docuseries. If you're familiar with
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this story and if they had a lot of them never before seen footage and they talk to her friends, her
family and it's a very like Lacey focused. The tragedy that happened. How and they don't even
necessarily like take a stance on it. The police zeroed in on it. Scott too soon or whatever. They
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just say like, Oh, Scott started acting really. Yeah, he absolutely did. And if you're not familiar
with the case, like watch the Netflix one. It's very, very good. I think I'm going to start in that one
because I did pop up on my like for you. And that's very like a victim focus. And I think that's
what all true crime should be. I totally agree. Let's center the victims instead of memorializing
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murderers. Yes. And unfortunately, Scott Peterson is now in the midst of a pill and is actually trying
to get his conviction overturned or it was already overturned and they're retrying it. I can't
remember this specific. He's been in prison since 96. It's in the house. So it's been a long time.
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And what's so sad is he like still refuses to admit that he did it. And so his family has made it
like their wife mission to ultimately like exonerate. Yeah. And so they're kind of like stuck in this
wheel and they're making it and all these things. So P.Cock is doing this documentary where they're
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interviewing Scott Peterson. And so Netflix release there's a head of time, which I'm really
thankful for. I feel like that's an ADF. And so P.Cock comes out like as a record. And so next week,
I'll give my thoughts on the P.Cock one. But it's it's just going to be really interesting. If you
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ever saw the A&E Scott Peterson documentary, they take a very like pro Scott Peterson. I've seen
that one in years. I watched some special of something about it. It also murdered back in
his or my cast. Yeah. Very familiar story. But that's what I've been in a true crime little hole lately.
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I'm like I'm at all. We it's so good for our mental. Yeah. Our collective depression.
Our depression's lately. Yeah. Our depression's lately. And on that note, we'll take a quick break.
It's a brat somewhere. Charlie XX is on repeat. Chop of a Rone is all you've been seeing on your
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Apple IP page. Billy Eilish has this new bedroom pop sound for her record. You can't stop saying
no, there's a bugger. Like Sabrina Carpenter in that one song. There's a return to hyperpop that
is giving so 2008. What else happened? 2008. Oh yeah. I went to college. Is that it? Yeah, that's
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all I could think of. It's kind of a blur that year. It's kind of a blur that's from our world.
Most people know that as the great recession. Yeah, that's right. And the great housing crisis. That's true.
And during that time, you might have heard things like poker face, teenage dreams, and I got a feeling
on repeat. Great. So, junkies, we're here today to talk about if today's pop girlies were or are the
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indicators of an impending doom of a recession. Well, we're not economists. We are pop culture obsessed.
And there's no doubt that during times of economic hardships as far back as the Great Depression,
there have been noticeable trends towards more upbeat and escapist music. Throughout some of these
times, we're going to talk about popular artists and really dive into the recessions we know best.
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But let's talk about some of the early ones. So the great depression took place from the great
point for it. Is that why you shine this on your eyes? And it's like place from 1999 to 1939.
Louis Armstrong was known for his influential jobs. Music. I'm going to do the old thing. I'm
going to do the old thing. It's only to do the Great Depression. Oh, no, obviously. He's just the
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entire rest of the episode. Oh, my god. I don't know if I can do it. I'm strong. He's got
beat to this provided a sense of joy and escape to the masses. Do Garling 10 was a key figure in
this little wing era. His big band music was immensely popular. Billy Holiday. Well,
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her music off tonight. I'm a lot. I don't need men. Well, our music. I'm really good.
She's so stupid. No, she's dumb. I'm not. Billy Holiday. Well, her music often had a sound tone.
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Song is like place from Evan. I've heard more up it. That's crazy.
So much reaching to see a lot of happy music. Yeah, and after the Great Depression,
a lot of everyone is talking like that too. Everybody is on like this. I'm great joy.
How could he be sad? I'm going to talk and like this. My wife, but let out today. Wait, my wife can't
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get let off because she's not going to work. It's just learned her dying. Okay. We're there in the factories.
All right. She'll learn her in the factory smoking cigarettes. Now I need to know what your name,
your next one is. So we have the Great Depression. Now give me your next impression. I don't know
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if I can do it. How do people talk in the 70s? I just picture them really stone. I feel like
I was 60s. I was going to talk more like the Brady Bunch. 1970s recession. She willikers. 1973 to 1975.
The Bee Gees. Their transition to disco with hits like stay alive. Became very popular in the era.
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Donna Summers was known as the queen of disco. And her songs like Hot Stuff at Last Dance
dominated the charts. Ava, the Swedish pop group, eight international famous songs like Dancing
Queen and Mama Mia. So during this recession, we had again some of the most popular songs of the
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entire era that when you think of the 1970s, you probably think of stay alive. Yeah.
Dancing Queen. That's very up. Yeah. I like her. Yes. And very fun and exciting beats.
Now I don't know when 1980s were born. So it's beautiful as that was. I will not be over that. I
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don't know. I could go. So in the... I was going to have to have these exciting 80s. Okay, do go to the
Fallon. And then we had in to the 1980s recession. So in the 1980 to 1982 recession, we had Michael
Jackson, his album Thriller, begin the best-selling album of all time, providing a mix of pop, rock,
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and funk prints. But this innovative music albums like 1999 released in 1982. We became hugely
popular. And then Madonna, emerging in the early 1980s, her dance pop hits like Holiday and like
a virgin where major successes. So Madonna was birthed out of a recession. I don't know if I ever
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knew her. I didn't know that. Oh, Michael Jackson, it tricks on. Well, he was making music
way before that. I mean, yeah, like especially Michael Jackson. Yeah. But this was when she became like,
I think his star hit a whole new height when he became the solo artist. I guess. Yeah. And then we had
into the 90s. And this is... I love it so much. We have been to the 90s. Yeah. Actually, we have bands like
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Nirvana, which has never mind who brought Grunge into this. They're kind of an outlier. And let's see,
this isn't like quite the hyperpops happiness. This is kind of what I would want to listen to in her
session. Yeah, right. Where they acknowledged the depression. So things started to change. But then we
had Mariah Carey who did her powerful vocals and it single strings. I sound like I'm in the 70s.
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Yeah. I can't keep an accent for like a total two seconds. I sound like you're high. I don't
know what you mean. I'm a perfect Christian woman. And then we also had Whitney Houston who was
known for absolute thingers in pop music. But during this time, it was, I will always love you. She was
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also beginning her career. I just want to open up. I'm sorry. I hate. What's a good 2000 one voice?
The dot com bubble of virus. 2001 show things like Eminem and his album The Marshal. I can't
really say I can't do this. I was like, no, the Marshal happens to be in 2000 in the Eminem show in 2002.
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Critically claimed and very commercially successful. These are all going to be albums that I remember.
Okay. Destiny's Child, the group led by Beyoncé had hits like Survivor and Blue D. Liches
and then Rees Spears with Oops. I did it again and she just went on from there to continue to dominate
the pop charts. But again, these are the hyper pop artists that are coming out in the dot com bubble
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burst or those music videos that were just so bright and sheer and yeah, just look over here. Yeah.
Everything's fine. Look at the white colors. Yeah. And throughout time, you know, we're going to
today talk about the resessions we know and grew up within. But throughout time, we we can actually
look back to a few indicators. It's music. It's art that we're obsessed with. It's fashion that we're
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obsessed with. And so, you know, there's a lot of different arguments that people make. Is it music?
Is it fashion? Is it all these things? We came in from a music perspective today just because we do
kind of hear a lot of similar sounds that we heard in early, you know, 2007, 2008 speaking of Britney
Spears, like the shaving of the head moment really does mark that time or session and like where we're
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at. But the gray recession, which made me feel really old writing that out. Is that is that
these? That's when they call it a great recession of the guys that in eight. Yeah, the gray
or sun I should just aged me typing it out. I am officially. Yeah. I heard just like my knees. And so,
which started from December 2000, to June 2009. Great. Right now is entering the workforce. Yes.
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That's right. I was going to college. Everything was bleak. We were on the verge of an economic
apocalypse for futures. It really shook up everything we thought we'd get out of studying,
paying a lot of money to go to college for a better future. It started when the US housing bubble burst
dragging down mortgage-backed securities and causing a financial mount down that one global.
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By the way, if you haven't ever seen the big shore, you should go watch this and are queen,
my rubber in it. They do actually a really good job at explaining how this happened in an
entertaining and educational way where you probably just are busy in mortgage-backed securities.
And you're like, oh god, my eyes do it. Yeah, the mice go for it. Yeah, welcome to my job where
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make tax content all day. But if you've never seen that movie, do you have an amazing job at talking
about how this all happened? How we're actually allowing this to happen again? But times were really
ultimately bleak. Unemployment was so bad at one point. It was sorry to 10%. It was a really rough ride
that left the lasting mark on everything from our bank accounts to culture, to the music that we
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listened to. Today. You trust. And so we're going to talk a long about what was in the zeitgeist
during the great recession. So what artists came out during the great recession every time I say
that another great year. You see them on, if you're on YouTube, another one. Another one. By the way,
go follow us on YouTube. Yeah, follow us on YouTube. We're really cute. So Taylor Swift kind of
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emerged in this time 2008 with songs like Love Story and You Belong With Me. She was the top selling
musical artist in 2008. And this was all going down with four million units sold. That's insane.
And that was for a teenager. Yeah. The aunt say who we already mentioned. The Destiny's Child
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had a significant presence on the charts with single ladies. If I were a boy, Rihanna came out with
dysterbia, take a bow, TI had whatever you like and live your life also with Rihanna. Such good music in 2008,
right? Low Wains, the Carter Surrey came out in 2008. This is just deep reaching like peak
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music. Yeah. I think like 2008, 2010. Like it's just incredible. I guess I think back to like when I
was in college listening to all these music and going to party music. The music. The music, the music,
some might walk me down. Yeah. It's like going to all these parties and this isn't stuff that was
playing. Yeah. It's so good. It does. Hey, little ball. It does feel like we're returning to that.
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A lot of artists we see today are that. No, what I also think is pretty interesting is the reality
TV that we were obsessed with around that time. So American Idol was incredibly popular at that time.
Kind of our first pair of social relationship. We had survivor, which was really, really popular.
We had the real housewives of New York City. Finally. That's very swine. I think so. Yeah. I think so.
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We had real housewives of Atlanta, a spin-off come after that. And then we had wipe out come in.
Which is I do love to watch wipe well when it's on everywhere. But it's literally just like a
destruction like we said earlier, like stupid, silly little things where either we're looking at
these ostentatious people with extreme displays of wealth or people putting themselves into
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ridiculous scenarios to get money. And do you think that all of this? I mean, I guess we
could kind of say this for the end, but this is just ways to distract the public from what's
really going on. Or do you think artists are consciously like people need something happy to
listen to or to watch? Yeah, but about I think it's kind of a bit about. I mean, I don't think there's
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some overlord, but like what's going to sell better right now? Is it like people want to skip
is that? Yeah, a lot of the time. Which I think art is just in general. And so I think in a hard
times, people gravitate towards just like, well, let's pretend like that freaking imagined song.
Do you remember whenever COVID started and all those like, oh, it's not like it's like that,
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like that's like the art that's what they had. I just imagine in their minds, I'm like, you know,
I'm gonna put out a banger. Thank you for the banger. But also they heal. They're thinking that, you
know, like it's going to be like that imagined moment. And if that was the song, they're way too
over the top. Like, this is my fight song. Make me want to do violets to my song. Like,
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there is a fun. No, I hate roar. That was like other one. I hate it. So,
if you were a band down so bad that you like plastic bag, you had to turn it on and you were just like,
I'm gonna fight. Did you want to know why? It's because fight song and roar just give me
Hillary Clinton losing flashbacks on this 16. So, like, anytime I hear that, I just think about weeping
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on my cram. It's so fun. I think one of it, one of the times I was probably in like the deepest of my
whole dark dark depressions. I played that song on I should start playing that song just every day.
Okay, moving on. I keep going. No, you should always me. Okay, 2009 pop song is
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my queen lady Gaga was the top artist to 2009 poker face in bad romance. She had a total of
1,734 points on the charts. I have no idea what that means. They were they were points. They were
points. How many points do we have? Point. We have points. All right. We got a coin. We make a lot of
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good points. Yeah. The black eyed peas had major success with hits like Boop Boop, Pow and I got a
feeling like Glee cat. No, that is a traumatizing. Oh, that's not me. I got a feeling. Again, a feeling.
Yeah, every wedding, this like when all of your friends start getting married around like
2012 or so. Yeah. That song was just so beautiful. Yeah. The Glee cast. Got it. Were you
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actually? No. I worked in social services right out of college and all of my clients were obsessed
with Glee. And I had a rule that they could put on whatever music they wanted when they were in
my car. Oh, God. Does it just make them feel safe? Yeah. And so many of them wanted the album and the
chipmunks soundtrack. Okay. And the Glee soundtrack. Well, it's a dark time. It was a dark time. Yeah.
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Michael Jackson following his death in June 2009. His music saw research and popularity,
placing him among the top artists of the year again. And then Taylor Swift,
college continuing her success from 2008 remained a top artist in 2009. Yeah, it's interesting to see
throughout this like literally some similar artists like Michael Jackson in Beyond the Sessions,
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the Avionte, Taylor Swift. And then when I was researching this, how can I forget about
this? The COVID-19 recession. Yeah. Which we all just remember as a global pandemic, but it also had
crazy economic implications. Absolutely. As we all know. And Mike's still be doing with four years later.
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But I'll take you back to the year of 2020. We're all stuck on TikTok, listening to these
addicting new songs that we saw people dancing to all while wearing masks. I think we weren't going to die.
It was all right, but we saw the same trends in music. What's our artist? We had to do a leap. We had
Dosa, the weekend, and then BTS kind of came into the popular reality. The top five songs of 2020
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were "Blinding Lights" by the Weekends, "Circles" by Post-Belone, The Box by Roddy Rich. Don't start now
by our queen, Dua Liza. And then rock star by De Baby featuring Roddy Rich. I've never heard the
box by Roddy Rich in my life. Yes. I would agree, but it says it was a viral sensation. Yeah. Maybe
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once we hear it. Well, no, I've got it. Maybe we're in the box. So we can hear the box, you know? I also
remember that from Madoka by Lady Gaga came out during 2020. And oh my god, that album I think had
gotten me through the pandemic. And that's still one of my favorite Gaga albums. But it was her return to
Hyperpop gay pop dance hall. Yeah. With like Rain on Me and Stupid Love after Cho Wain and I was so.
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Yeah. And all I remember thinking with my friends is like, I cannot wait to go to the gay club. It
danced to Rain on Me and we're allowed to go to the club again. Oh my god. I did a Zoom class with this
like instructor from Equinox. Oh, I did a Zoom class. And a Zoom class was like to we learned
the Rain on Me dance that he had and it was so good. It was so fun. At the only time I could do it was one
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it was covered and they were doing three instructional. It wasn't my being the building. So I'm too
too poor for that one so bad. Air one day, one day. Yeah. No, I love it. But yeah, it's just that
it was the distraction. And I think some of these artists knew. I mean, obviously you work
in an album when you're in August for years. Prop you don't know there's going to be an international
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global pandemic. But in like God does kind of try to delay. I remember correctly putting out
chromatic gun and eventually she was like, now y'all need this. Y'all need this. That's like a black
mirror. The most recent season that came out was supposed to come out in like May 2020. And he
was just like, I'm not releasing us. The world doesn't need this right now. Oh my god. And in Black
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Mirror, we did not. Yeah. That's why everyone was like, oh, this feels like kind of like three years
ago because it was three years. Was it all filled? Yeah, it was like ready to release in 2020. And so we
decided not to. But also I think like the reality TV that we were making popular in 2020 is interesting as well.
Oh my gosh. Okay. So we had the masked singer. Tiger King. Oh my god. Everyone was obsessed with
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Tiger. Yeah. I was another like you co-alite coalition. Here's a coalition. It's coalition of
tigers for characters. I was going to say when you think of 2020, you think of
correlation. There it is. There you go. There's a couple of cool. And Tiger Kings.
We're so dumb. We're making an argument that is a pretty serious recession. I like to
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coalition. Of course, a coalition of Tiger Kings. They're all wearing crowds. They're from the tigers.
Lily, Tiger King, Love is Blind and RuPaul's Drag Race, which I definitely benched during Co-
because it's happy and dramatic and over the top and colorful. And it may be not want to end things.
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And the bachelor. Yeah. And a lot of people. Yeah. Quite into. I think it's so interesting. So we have
in 2008, American Idol and then the masked singer. Yeah. That's a good mic. But you know,
Tiger King kind of like a slice of life. He would survive. Or like it does feel like similar things.
Just kind of very like popping up where we either want to see people. You're starting. It's very
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odd situation. Yeah. Different from ourselves. You're starting to make me feel like we're living in
a simulation. I'm not going to. I'm not sure I could keep it going. I'm like Olivia. We need
on this. This episode is making me wildly uncomfortable. Do we make any of our own choices or does big
entertainment make it? I mean, what are we? Like that's a really philosophical question. Like are we
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every interaction we've ever had summed up? Or like, you know, that squirrel?
Just you know, I've watched too many like TikToks that relate to you. And you're like, this is so me.
And by the end of it, you're like, what am I? Have I ever got a unique? Have I ever had a unique
experience in my life? Let us try to explain simulation 32. In the same way that we've tried to
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explain to you economic music trends. I can use my old timey vibes. Yeah. I sure should bring it back
for a good one. But I do think it is such an an interesting, you know, return to where we are today.
A lot of people are looking at, you know, Charlie X, the X Sabrina Carpenter, Chapel Road,
and they're saying, oh, this is like the good music that we had in the 2000. And they're like,
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there are some bad things that really did happen. So right now we have Taylor Swift breaking records.
Again, she's in the league around. She's going after the Beatles right now. But then we have Billy
Eilash who really did change her sound to be very upbeat. By the way, gas, remix with Billy Eilash.
Oh, Charlie, it's been in my head for days. It's so good. And the music video is them firing shots.
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I Taylor Swift in the funniest way. And I need to watch. And as a Taylor Swift father, they do it so good.
Every time I listen, I didn't work. I pulled this just from like collective data, but are going to
Grande, do Alipa, and then Sabrina Carpenter, who is very known for like her silly like Espresso
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has no meaning songs, but they're just so catchy. And then our current reality TV show,
Tram, they're even funnier. Exactly the same. But yeah, saying, mass singer, survivor,
RuPaul's drag race, the bachelor, and then love Island, the one that I'm obsessed with.
But do you think maybe some of these trends repeat themselves when it comes up in recession time?
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I mean, not that I think we're at a recession right now, right? Well, I could be trying to say
that it could be coming. And we have had a crazy market crash in the last week or two.
That's crazy. The ninth that I wrote the next day, the market crash. And you were like, and it was one
of the worst days in market history. No, they completely halted trading. That's in Monday.
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Illinois says what they call it, but the day after that's insane. I was gonna say like maybe we're always
reaching for the comfort of nostalgia during these times. And so because we get so stressed out
and the pressures of life become too much, like we've joked about a lot in this episode. Like
maybe the comfort of things that were in the past. Yeah. Is what makes us, and so we reached
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for things that make us feel that same feeling that we did. Like love Island creates the same
serotonin in me that like flavor of love. Oh my god. Yes. And this gives me the same like this is
nonsense. It's so worth the topic. Makes me feel those they feel like. Yeah. Okay. Maybe that's why
I had some part of being reached for them. Okay. Yeah. Because really the next thing was like,
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why do you researchers and you know, psychologists and people think that we really look to this and
find these patterns within human behavior during economic hardship. And a lot of it is
escapism. Like we've talked about, you know, people gravitate towards music that is happy, especially when
they're stressed or anxious. And then studies have shown that when unemployment rates are high,
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people want happy melodies as a way to really count our benignal and stuff. So that makes sense. And
then there is this argument and this comes with all art, clothes, music, you know, everything. It's
that is just a cycle. Oh my god. Yeah. 30 years. We like have we've never invented anything new.
That is so interesting because if you remember like the fashion when we were in the 90s, it was all
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callbacks to 60s and 70s fashion. Yeah. All this I know isn't bell bottoms again. You know, I mean,
I guess I was kind of like the early 2000s. Yeah. 90s. We were all wearing bell bottom jeans against
my late faces and pea sides, yin yin and I remember my mom saying them and being like, oh, this stuff
is called the 60s. Yeah. That's what I used to wear. Yeah. And then in the 70s, the peasant style,
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which is what they made. The seven really. Yeah. Exactly. And now it's 2024 and we're getting that
Y2K fashion back again. It's all now. It's indy. So it is. And I literally cannot stop seeing
fuck is indy. It's the late it's 2010 hipster tumbler, which is with their flat like their
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ripped tights and their flannels and their little hipster little brim. Like the um, yes,
that's like an ass. Like an ass. That's coming back right now. Oh no. I got so much of that. Yes.
I had saw my whole necklaces. Yeah. I actually do have like a very crazy like connection. I
didn't know that's a thousand. So like indy. Yeah. And well, they call it indy sleaze now. That's
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how we got it when we know we were. It's. Yeah. Now it's indy. So he's like, it's very
hot that American. You know, like, I'm going to go through. Yeah. It's very American apparel. And
that's what's coming. And I felt like I started like I noticed the trend earlier in fashion,
just because fashion trends are for women are noticeable and discussed a lot. Yeah. But the music
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really does come with that as well. And then ultimately like consumer behavior, like we want to
see people getting things that we can get like the Kardashians also started in, you know,
2000. Yeah. And you know, like my super sweet 16 like Jeff, we came out when we were about to turn
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16 and we weren't going to have fucking birthday party. Yeah. And like, but for some reason,
we wanted to watch other kids ever. Yeah. And it's so interesting to just like look at like, you
would think we would be disgusted by that because of wealth disparity, but actually our brains
like sure, because they'd have been like, Oh, no, we want that. If I work hard enough,
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yeah, just pick myself up from my bootstraps. I too could have a Mercedes for the first day. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, you can't Rachel. Exactly. And ultimately it's important to know that these are
correlations that we're drawing. It's not causing a, you know, don't go. Pop music does it cause
the reset? Yeah. But don't don't don't go attack like a chopper, or a Sabrina, Sabrina,
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Carmen, or music trends are not just reliable indicators. But it can help us, you know, kind of
determine like, that's all this really interesting thing when the stock market crash that they were
saying, like, is McDonald's crashing? Like is there stock? It's just traditional like the
Milly other day stable thing. Yeah. You can look at a lot of things like one of the funniest
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Alex this is that doesn't really get all I feel like I know what you're going to say about
Florida hurricane is actually serious is if the waffle house is closed. That means that there's
really a hurricane coming and like you should get out of town, but if the waffle houses are open,
you stay open. Yeah. I see correlations between like the amount of
hapsicles that are bought in a community that correlates with the amount of like serial killers
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that happens like, oh, yeah. And maybe it wasn't that's it. It was something about ice cream and like
murder. Yeah. But it's like because more people buy ice cream when it's hot outside. And like,
it doesn't even murder moral because they're angry. Yeah. Honestly, yeah. And so it's not because
ice cream causes murder. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And so, you know, it's like, yeah, oh,
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ice cream is turning the murder. It's turning the frogs day.
It's turning the frogs day. Do you hear them remix of that? Trying to freaking frogs. Yeah,
it actually does. Yeah. On a big gay fraud. Dude, so gay fraud. Yeah. So living my life on a
lily pad with you. Yes. One day. One day. One day. We'll react. He's being you talking shit.
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No, no, no, no, I'd be in gay fraud. I took that other frog over there. I said, you see which frog
that he's loving, and the other. Yeah. You want to know, I bet your ribbit would be a most
foul. Like you would just have like this, this stinky is a little. Yeah. Because you can't fart
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in that. Which you have to be real. I don't know if I'm saying that. I think you would just have like
zero farty frogs. That would be so gassy. Yeah. This is too foul. I'm so sorry.
Well, Junkies, speaking of escapism, it is time for us to go. You can be a gassy frog in a lily pad.
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Welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. I'm Olivia here with my fellow Junkie.--
Shauna and you know what listeners it feels like it's been a while because it has been but
what have you been obsessed with recently? I've been obsessed with just like making it through
what I'm going to the next. She's sure any week all right? So, staring into the void,
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using slipping silently into madness. You know it has been a while. I know you travel too much
and I miss you whenever you're gone. But I have been watching a lot of stuff. I have a list.
Okay, the void has colors. The void has colors. There is stuff in the void. Okay. I slip into it
and then I turn on television. Everything feels right again. Yeah. All right, I will vote for you.
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I'm going to do a quick rundown. Okay. And some of them are pops. Send up them are drops.
And some are a little in between airs. Okay. Okay. Real vast. Umbrella Academy aired its final
season. Do you watch that show? No, I never have. And I've heard good things. The first couple
seasons are very good. This last season was short. It was only I want to say eight. So it's
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wrong. Why don't you stop for us to keep doing? I don't know. And so it definitely feels rushed.
And there's a lot of character choices that are questionable, including one romantic relationship
that comes out of nowhere. Yeah. With characters who are seemingly other already in relationships.
Okay. I don't know. There's this like gossip girl and we're like, much shuffled. Literally. It's
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like it's the final season. Why don't we just put her with him instead of him? Yeah. It's I don't know.
So it was a little strange ending. But overall, you know, I've always enjoyed watching that show.
I'm going to go a little middle on the ending. The final episode. I won't spoil it for anybody who's
listening. But I don't know how I also wanted to end other than what it did. So would you so recommend
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people watch the show as a whole as a whole as like an entire four-season art? Yes, absolutely.
Okay. I really liked it as an entire series. Okay. Did it stick the landing? I think it did a
couple flips and they cut it tripped in the end and still maybe got a top four. I don't know. Yeah.
It is tricky to find an ending that everyone loves. Absolutely. And I've seen a lot of stuff online.
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If people just hating this season. Yeah. And I didn't hate it. I didn't think it was like
game of thrones level. Yeah. Next or level. Yeah. Bullshit. But speaking of, we in our absence,
tossing the dragon ended. Yeah. How do you feel about that ending? You know, I really was on the edge
of my seat for a couple scenes. Okay. We are going to get spoilery with this one as it aired. God, like
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a couple of weeks ago. I don't know. But Alice, it comes to Ranera and it's like, yeah, bitch, I'm out.
Take it. Yeah. My sons are either rotting or insane. She's like, yeah, I'm not all bad. She will
analysis. My daughter float in the river somewhere that's stare at the sky. Yeah. It just
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bitch. You run away here is how you take over. Here it is. Yes. Overplatter. So I saw this in front of
the CEO of my company. Just know how incredibly and appropriate. I said the entire season to
a house of the dragon felt like edging. And he was like, I'm unfamiliar with the term edging.
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No. And so this is giving. And Brad Perry was here. And we like said some word. He's like, what is that?
Yeah. And we're like, shit. Now we got to tell Brad Perry what edging is. And he's like, he's
show, but we were on a large table of 10 people from my company. And I just pulled up Irving
Dictionary. And I was like, this is what Irving Dictionary said. I jump it. He says it out loud. Yeah. And
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he's just like, got it. That entire season was edging. And I never reach my wall. I got right to
the end where you're trying to. And then you can't. Yeah. That final phone. So you just said, yeah,
it was fun. But maybe we should call it right here. Yeah. Because the end of season one was so
yeah, like you were just like, I want more. Yeah. They're going into dangerous territory, I think. And
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they I think they were stirring up some Game of Thrones last season haters with that. And didn't
go and think it was that bad. I think if season three doesn't start off with an absolute like
finger like we're at war like this is going people are like turn on it. I think so too. Like I I
haven't turned on it. Yeah. But I've been watching a lot of I watched most shows with my husband.
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And he's such a hater. Literally a brelic had me by the end. He's like, this is bullshit.
I hate so many things. Yeah. And I was like, it was not that bad. Okay. And then we're like
nearing the end of season two of House of Dragon. He's like, this show sucks. And I'm like,
you are being way too definitive with this is bullshit and this sucks. They're interested.
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You want? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So he's very in the moment. Yeah. He was like, this is boring.
This sucks. And I'm like, I don't think it's boring. Like I think they're again edge just a little too much.
I know. And if you edge somebody that hard, you're even with blue balls. Yeah. Or make them come.
They're asked we want to be other is another argument why you should have 10 episodes per season.
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And HV all kind of now Netflix cut it out. Like Bridgerton would have been so much better if it
had been 10 episodes. Is it not enough? Bridgerton season three that relationship. Yeah. So
rush. Yeah. Which is why I see my face eight. Bridgerton. And we used to have like lost, which was a 25
episode season. And that's a little too much to me. Like all of the shows that I'm going to do.
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You're like 26 episodes. You get all those fillers in the middle. Yeah. But like Buffy and Angel were all 25, 26 episodes.
And it was wrong. Dang it. Bring that back. Like I, again, it's expensive. But if they were doing it in the
I do. I can do it. Yeah. Yeah. No. And then like, I'm thinking like stranger things. They all,
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they had shorter seasons, but each episode was like two hours. Yeah. Or something. So it was like, I
almost like don't like each time. Though where it's really long. Yeah. Like I kind of like the little break.
Like the mid-season. Like family. Get more water. Go to the bathroom. You know. That's with the pause buttons. Yeah.
No. No, no. No. No pausing. Yeah. And a binge. It's like, okay, title. I know. I go. You know, I had a mid-season finale.
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That's another show that wasn't even on my list. Again, so fucking goofy. This is and it kinda guys always goofy. This shows goofy. Okay, that was a point of pain.
But there's a lot of points this season where I went this whole episode was unnecessary if they all just communicated with each other.
If they all just treated the situation like adults that is the most frustrating trope all times.
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If you just had a conversation and were like, who do we think we should send to the
Hintai Sentai? I don't remember what it's called. Hintai. There's like in this karate championship that they're all trying to go to.
And it's like the the Sentai Hintai.
No, it's just you.
Dude, it was sentai Hintai and it's like karate championship.
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Count me in. I don't want to get there too.
And it's so obvious. Wish of the characters should go because they're like, we got to use our top six karate fighters to go.
There's six of them? There's like, there's 25 karate kids on this show.
You don't matter. You'll see a kid in the background. He's like, just say and you're like, who the fuck are you?
And he's like, maybe I'm gonna get chosen for the anti-Sintai. No, you're not. No, you're not.
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Oh wow. That the main six characters, you're like, it's gonna be them and then they throw in, I don't know if they would have just been like,
we're gonna treat this like adults and choose our top six.
They would cut out so many episodes.
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Well, maybe you're gonna feel just like, it had to be like 12 people, you know,
dude. No, the Hintai Sentai will only take your top six. No, I'm not like 12 characters that they were like fighting,
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like 12 total in the competition. So 25, you know. It's so tough. It's so tough.
Okay. And then there's an evil karate organization's working in the shadow.
Okay. You can tell they're evil because they're Asian. It's like weirdly racist. I don't know. It's just,
oh, why? Like the squirrel?
He's like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I wasn't even gonna go off like cover cover.
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I got rid of him. Okay.
Speaking of going back to boring shows, I'm about to say something a little controversial.
Yeah. And I will not spoil this show. Okay.
Because I know you have not started season three. Season three of the bear is incredibly boring.
Like I am, I saw them first too so far and he in thoughts who get through boring. Yeah. I can't.
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No, not the third season. Curls. It's so boring. And please, if anybody's watching this,
they're like, no, it's artistic. I think it's reached new levels of like pretentiousness. I could see that.
And they're trying to be artsy and deep, but it's just boring. It's just not hitting the way they want
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them to. No, there's just wandering, the andering conversations between characters that don't need
to be happening. Yeah. And characters will pop up and you'll go, who is that again? Oh, I guess it's
important. Okay. And no, we need to spend the next 15 minutes breaking down his childhood trauma.
Okay. What's like, I don't know, it just, I'm the Christmas episode and the one where Sydney accidentally
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makes all those to go orders. Yeah. Like those are such good ups. And there's so much screaming.
There's less screaming this season two, which I actually kind of bet. Okay. You don't know.
Season three of the bear, please let me know if you have a very different one. You're in me. Yeah.
Papa, but I am who I'm into here once I get there. I kind of took too much of the bear in, you know,
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I put myself in a bear food coma. You were, and I'm ready to go back. Yeah. You know, I was full on it.
I'm ready to get back into it. You digest it. Yeah. To get through. Yeah. She's ready. Okay.
Next on my list is show that I recently discovered that I've been bingeing that I'm really into.
Where the actress is from, Cocoa Pia's at it. It's a show called School Spirits. It is a paramount plus
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original, but I've found it on Netflix. I'm not sure. That's possible. Somebody explained it to me.
Maybe they created stuff. I don't know. Swapped pics. I think so. I think they might have swapped some
pics. Yeah. Hey, who do you have? Who do you have? That's Sydney's called Spirits.
And who do you have? I did. If you show me yours.
Simea went and Peyton, uh, of Whitney Peyton. Shout out to Whitney Peyton. We love you. Peyton
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list is the actress in this show. Simea's on Peyton list content. Okay. So School Spirits is a show.
It's one season long so far. They are quoting season two. And it's about a bunch of high school students.
The main girl, Maddie, was murdered at her high school. And she wakes up as a ghost. I have heard
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about this. Yes. And she and a bunch of other ghosts who have died throughout the past 50 years.
Is this really just children are there in the school? A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot.
Yes. A Spestus in the Wallas. What's going on there? A peanut. When he wasn't surprised to. A
bunch of kids died on like a school bay and marching trip. Buzz accident. Okay. Long girls like
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guidance counselor murdered her. We don't know at the point I'm in and season one. How Maddie was murdered.
But she wakes up dead. I have heard this was good. I am really enjoying it. Okay. So it's got a great cast.
Everybody has their place. She's got one group of friends who are all ghosts. So it's like the dead
friends who are haunting the school. It's a dark comedy. Yeah. They all know how they died.
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Maddie doesn't know how she died, which is kind of unusual if I guess for a ghost. Do not remember.
Or like not know yet. The exact. Yeah. So I'm sure the finale of season one will find out how she died.
Maybe find her body because she can't they no one has found her body. And so she's going around the
school and like kind of following her boyfriend around. She's just my. Yeah. And like he was cheating
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on her and like it's just all this scandal scandal and drama and I got a little misty eye in the
her. He's got this own. Okay. Yeah. Sounds like I need to watch that. That sounds amazing. It's really
funny and like reminds me of. I don't know like those kind of fluffy eyes on the S. Life's the
female character and she's. I don't know powers that she's dead and she's watching her school. Yeah.
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Trying to solve real murder. I'm a believer that Spooky season starts right after 4th of July.
So I literally was like do I put my home decorations out years or any hour because he had it.
Spooky July party. I took them down a lot. I know. Well my office is always home. Yeah.
And it's always for me. But I took down my house. Like I'm already I've already planned some
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spooky events at my apartment. Really? You can come. She's like it's with it's with the middle school
friends. But we could also paint pumpkins because for some reason when I try to get a pumpkin and
my body doesn't like it. I love painting pumpkins. Yeah. So I think that might have a Halloween party.
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If you want to eat something you should because then it'll be cool and I can stand the backyard.
That's true. We could put down a cup for you and you could say there. Olivia's very allergic to my
stuff. Yeah. And we've tried all the remedial symptoms. We haven't tried you sleeping in the yard.
Yeah. We'll report back. Give me a drug and we might try to. I didn't even think about that though.
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Maybe I won't have one because I don't want you to be in this wrong issue. But I can say I'm longer.
Okay. We'll talk about this later. We need something of our costumes too. Okay. The one final thing
is Love Island that show. Oh my god. I have two final things. Love Island.
Airdits reunion last night. It was screaming. It was incredible. I am officially obsessed with this
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show. I can't wait for the next season. Yeah. Summer. You have to watch it. So you're going to go back and
watch some of the UK ones. I know. Now maybe hunt boring enough. I mean I have so much content. I'm
shocked. Yeah. Right now. If you're a love island, girly message also to what seasons of the UK.
To watch because apparently it's a good idea. UK is better than the US. This is the first season where the US
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has been good. Yeah. Do you know these people love Ariana Grande? Are you a continuing? Do you like
the love Ariana Madden? I feel like she was hilarious. And from DPR and kind of brought that people
wanted to make the show. So yeah. Successful. So and but yeah. I loved all of them on the show. I
loved Kayla. Fuck Evan and Serena and Portell with his cheeses. I just I loved it all. So I'm going to
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pop love Island. And then finally I watched Alien Romulus, the newest Alien movie. Okay. And I'm
going to pop that too. I really enjoyed it. It was like a good mix between like Prometheus,
like those kind of newer more recent Alien movies, but then also like the older one. Lots of throwbacks,
the original. I don't know. I really just like the Alien universe. And so I'm going to watch
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anything that comes out. Yeah. Okay. But yeah. So I would pop that. It's a good time.
All right. There's facehuggers. There's chest bursters. There's the bar. There's the chest burst.
Well, that sounds really bad. I'm done. I think I got through everything.
So I've been on the opposite side of watching things. I have been keeping up with
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the Kardashians. Not really. What we did actually watch some episodes of Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
Yeah. A little teaser for upcoming episodes. Stay tuned. But no, I've been keeping up with all
this Blake Live. We it ends with us. Drama. I can't stop watching it. Which for
all I know what I think is the craziest thing is everyone like jumping to this Justin Baldone guy
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and to be fair, I know nothing about this and nothing. And Colleen Hoover is a very controversial
author in general. She said on the road that the movie's going to be the end of the book. It ends
with us. It was already very controversial for glamorizing like TV. Yeah. And so it was kind of like
a curse project. But did you ever read it? No. No. I'm actually never going to call it a
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new bird. I've been told to stay away. My job is their fairy having sex. No. No. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. So
this rumor drama gets started and everyone on the cast. Justin Baldone is the director of the producer
and the actor. And he's the main actor. And not a single one from the cast follows this man. He
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his own co-host isn't even like tagging him in things. And all of a sudden everyone was like it's
like fault. But Justin Baldone is an advocate for less toxic. And I was like, any why? It was like
this is why I say or men are weaponizing therapy. Yes. They really are. And like they got one therapy
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session and they're like, you're just lighting. Yeah. And I to be fair, like I think the way he is
talking about the message of the movie is probably a little bit better than the way Black Lives Matter is.
She just the way the people have jumped on hating Black Lives Matter. And like you can just admit that
like you wish you had her hair. Like it's okay. She's not. Let's honestly know. Like whoa. Okay, first of all
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Deadpool vs Wolverine came out like a month ago and it smashed it. Everybody globally loves this movie.
So we all love Ryan Reynolds and him and Blake Lively are kind of like a little package deal.
They're so wildly in love when it's him who has a movie out. Then we're all like, oh my god, this is
the cutest couple. Holly would look at her supporter man. And she has like a very small bit heart spoilers
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for Deadpool. Yeah, spoiler. And it's very. She's Lady Deadpool. Maybe she ever takes off her mask.
Yeah, you hear her voice. Yeah. And then when she has a movie coming out, all of a sudden all of these
seemingly like feminist websites like very Sue are digging up any article they can find that is
anti Blake Lively in posting like 15 times a day. Yeah, he was crazy to me. I was like, first of all
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any guy who's like, I'm a nice guy. Not probably not a nice guy. Yeah, like if you have to say it,
like you're probably not. No, no, absolutely. And yeah, it's been very, very interesting. I was like,
well, every time I'm like, yeah, we're getting so far. I'm like, just kidding. No. And like, okay, I've
heard the commentary that Ryan Reynolds got married to plantation, right? Yeah, that's problematic.
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Absolutely. Yeah. Why didn't we talk about that when Ryan Reynolds had movie? Yeah. Why is this coming
back up in the news now that Blake Lively is? Yeah, I mean, it's so misogynistic. And obviously it's
problematic. You married it. Funky plantation. Yeah, don't do it. Super topic. Yeah, to that.
Exactly. They're wedding did cause Pinterest to no longer allow searching plantation. What are you
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really? So, you know, some interesting stuff. What else have I been obsessed with? Very
demure, very mindful. See how I show up to the function. You would know, like you have been
demure in our life. No, I could not stop saying it. I was in San Francisco this last weekend. And I
went to a drug show and I just kept saying very demure, very mindful. See how we show up to the
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function and not like you other girl. I should not stop saying it is the opposite of demure mindful.
It's just a cackling asshole. That's me. Yeah, basically this podcast. This podcast is the
opposite of demure in my palm. Yeah. You want to listen to some shwale bitch? I love it. I love it.
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You said something about the Lacey Peterson documentary too. Yes. So as of
when we're recording this, I have not yet watched the peacock documentary. So I'm going to say that
first. But so basically there are two documentaries that are coming out. Netflix released it's
Lacey Peterson documentary. I think last week it's a four part docuseries. If you're familiar with
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this story and if they had a lot of them never before seen footage and they talk to her friends, her
family and it's a very like Lacey focused. The tragedy that happened. How and they don't even
necessarily like take a stance on it. The police zeroed in on it. Scott too soon or whatever. They
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just say like, Oh, Scott started acting really. Yeah, he absolutely did. And if you're not familiar
with the case, like watch the Netflix one. It's very, very good. I think I'm going to start in that one
because I did pop up on my like for you. And that's very like a victim focus. And I think that's
what all true crime should be. I totally agree. Let's center the victims instead of memorializing
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murderers. Yes. And unfortunately, Scott Peterson is now in the midst of a pill and is actually trying
to get his conviction overturned or it was already overturned and they're retrying it. I can't
remember this specific. He's been in prison since 96. It's in the house. So it's been a long time.
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And what's so sad is he like still refuses to admit that he did it. And so his family has made it
like their wife mission to ultimately like exonerate. Yeah. And so they're kind of like stuck in this
wheel and they're making it and all these things. So P.Cock is doing this documentary where they're
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interviewing Scott Peterson. And so Netflix release there's a head of time, which I'm really
thankful for. I feel like that's an ADF. And so P.Cock comes out like as a record. And so next week,
I'll give my thoughts on the P.Cock one. But it's it's just going to be really interesting. If you
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ever saw the A&E Scott Peterson documentary, they take a very like pro Scott Peterson. I've seen
that one in years. I watched some special of something about it. It also murdered back in
his or my cast. Yeah. Very familiar story. But that's what I've been in a true crime little hole lately.
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I'm like I'm at all. We it's so good for our mental. Yeah. Our collective depression.
Our depression's lately. Yeah. Our depression's lately. And on that note, we'll take a quick break.
It's a brat somewhere. Charlie XX is on repeat. Chop of a Rone is all you've been seeing on your
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Apple IP page. Billy Eilish has this new bedroom pop sound for her record. You can't stop saying
no, there's a bugger. Like Sabrina Carpenter in that one song. There's a return to hyperpop that
is giving so 2008. What else happened? 2008. Oh yeah. I went to college. Is that it? Yeah, that's
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all I could think of. It's kind of a blur that year. It's kind of a blur that's from our world.
Most people know that as the great recession. Yeah, that's right. And the great housing crisis. That's true.
And during that time, you might have heard things like poker face, teenage dreams, and I got a feeling
on repeat. Great. So, junkies, we're here today to talk about if today's pop girlies were or are the
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indicators of an impending doom of a recession. Well, we're not economists. We are pop culture obsessed.
And there's no doubt that during times of economic hardships as far back as the Great Depression,
there have been noticeable trends towards more upbeat and escapist music. Throughout some of these
times, we're going to talk about popular artists and really dive into the recessions we know best.
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But let's talk about some of the early ones. So the great depression took place from the great
point for it. Is that why you shine this on your eyes? And it's like place from 1999 to 1939.
Louis Armstrong was known for his influential jobs. Music. I'm going to do the old thing. I'm
going to do the old thing. It's only to do the Great Depression. Oh, no, obviously. He's just the
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entire rest of the episode. Oh, my god. I don't know if I can do it. I'm strong. He's got
beat to this provided a sense of joy and escape to the masses. Do Garling 10 was a key figure in
this little wing era. His big band music was immensely popular. Billy Holiday. Well,
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her music off tonight. I'm a lot. I don't need men. Well, our music. I'm really good.
She's so stupid. No, she's dumb. I'm not. Billy Holiday. Well, her music often had a sound tone.
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Song is like place from Evan. I've heard more up it. That's crazy.
So much reaching to see a lot of happy music. Yeah, and after the Great Depression,
a lot of everyone is talking like that too. Everybody is on like this. I'm great joy.
How could he be sad? I'm going to talk and like this. My wife, but let out today. Wait, my wife can't
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get let off because she's not going to work. It's just learned her dying. Okay. We're there in the factories.
All right. She'll learn her in the factory smoking cigarettes. Now I need to know what your name,
your next one is. So we have the Great Depression. Now give me your next impression. I don't know
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if I can do it. How do people talk in the 70s? I just picture them really stone. I feel like
I was 60s. I was going to talk more like the Brady Bunch. 1970s recession. She willikers. 1973 to 1975.
The Bee Gees. Their transition to disco with hits like stay alive. Became very popular in the era.
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Donna Summers was known as the queen of disco. And her songs like Hot Stuff at Last Dance
dominated the charts. Ava, the Swedish pop group, eight international famous songs like Dancing
Queen and Mama Mia. So during this recession, we had again some of the most popular songs of the
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entire era that when you think of the 1970s, you probably think of stay alive. Yeah.
Dancing Queen. That's very up. Yeah. I like her. Yes. And very fun and exciting beats.
Now I don't know when 1980s were born. So it's beautiful as that was. I will not be over that. I
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don't know. I could go. So in the... I was going to have to have these exciting 80s. Okay, do go to the
Fallon. And then we had in to the 1980s recession. So in the 1980 to 1982 recession, we had Michael
Jackson, his album Thriller, begin the best-selling album of all time, providing a mix of pop, rock,
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and funk prints. But this innovative music albums like 1999 released in 1982. We became hugely
popular. And then Madonna, emerging in the early 1980s, her dance pop hits like Holiday and like
a virgin where major successes. So Madonna was birthed out of a recession. I don't know if I ever
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knew her. I didn't know that. Oh, Michael Jackson, it tricks on. Well, he was making music
way before that. I mean, yeah, like especially Michael Jackson. Yeah. But this was when she became like,
I think his star hit a whole new height when he became the solo artist. I guess. Yeah. And then we had
into the 90s. And this is... I love it so much. We have been to the 90s. Yeah. Actually, we have bands like
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Nirvana, which has never mind who brought Grunge into this. They're kind of an outlier. And let's see,
this isn't like quite the hyperpops happiness. This is kind of what I would want to listen to in her
session. Yeah, right. Where they acknowledged the depression. So things started to change. But then we
had Mariah Carey who did her powerful vocals and it single strings. I sound like I'm in the 70s.
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Yeah. I can't keep an accent for like a total two seconds. I sound like you're high. I don't
know what you mean. I'm a perfect Christian woman. And then we also had Whitney Houston who was
known for absolute thingers in pop music. But during this time, it was, I will always love you. She was
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also beginning her career. I just want to open up. I'm sorry. I hate. What's a good 2000 one voice?
The dot com bubble of virus. 2001 show things like Eminem and his album The Marshal. I can't
really say I can't do this. I was like, no, the Marshal happens to be in 2000 in the Eminem show in 2002.
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Critically claimed and very commercially successful. These are all going to be albums that I remember.
Okay. Destiny's Child, the group led by Beyoncé had hits like Survivor and Blue D. Liches
and then Rees Spears with Oops. I did it again and she just went on from there to continue to dominate
the pop charts. But again, these are the hyper pop artists that are coming out in the dot com bubble
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burst or those music videos that were just so bright and sheer and yeah, just look over here. Yeah.
Everything's fine. Look at the white colors. Yeah. And throughout time, you know, we're going to
today talk about the resessions we know and grew up within. But throughout time, we we can actually
look back to a few indicators. It's music. It's art that we're obsessed with. It's fashion that we're
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obsessed with. And so, you know, there's a lot of different arguments that people make. Is it music?
Is it fashion? Is it all these things? We came in from a music perspective today just because we do
kind of hear a lot of similar sounds that we heard in early, you know, 2007, 2008 speaking of Britney
Spears, like the shaving of the head moment really does mark that time or session and like where we're
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at. But the gray recession, which made me feel really old writing that out. Is that is that
these? That's when they call it a great recession of the guys that in eight. Yeah, the gray
or sun I should just aged me typing it out. I am officially. Yeah. I heard just like my knees. And so,
which started from December 2000, to June 2009. Great. Right now is entering the workforce. Yes.
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That's right. I was going to college. Everything was bleak. We were on the verge of an economic
apocalypse for futures. It really shook up everything we thought we'd get out of studying,
paying a lot of money to go to college for a better future. It started when the US housing bubble burst
dragging down mortgage-backed securities and causing a financial mount down that one global.
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By the way, if you haven't ever seen the big shore, you should go watch this and are queen,
my rubber in it. They do actually a really good job at explaining how this happened in an
entertaining and educational way where you probably just are busy in mortgage-backed securities.
And you're like, oh god, my eyes do it. Yeah, the mice go for it. Yeah, welcome to my job where
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make tax content all day. But if you've never seen that movie, do you have an amazing job at talking
about how this all happened? How we're actually allowing this to happen again? But times were really
ultimately bleak. Unemployment was so bad at one point. It was sorry to 10%. It was a really rough ride
that left the lasting mark on everything from our bank accounts to culture, to the music that we
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listened to. Today. You trust. And so we're going to talk a long about what was in the zeitgeist
during the great recession. So what artists came out during the great recession every time I say
that another great year. You see them on, if you're on YouTube, another one. Another one. By the way,
go follow us on YouTube. Yeah, follow us on YouTube. We're really cute. So Taylor Swift kind of
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emerged in this time 2008 with songs like Love Story and You Belong With Me. She was the top selling
musical artist in 2008. And this was all going down with four million units sold. That's insane.
And that was for a teenager. Yeah. The aunt say who we already mentioned. The Destiny's Child
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had a significant presence on the charts with single ladies. If I were a boy, Rihanna came out with
dysterbia, take a bow, TI had whatever you like and live your life also with Rihanna. Such good music in 2008,
right? Low Wains, the Carter Surrey came out in 2008. This is just deep reaching like peak
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music. Yeah. I think like 2008, 2010. Like it's just incredible. I guess I think back to like when I
was in college listening to all these music and going to party music. The music. The music, the music,
some might walk me down. Yeah. It's like going to all these parties and this isn't stuff that was
playing. Yeah. It's so good. It does. Hey, little ball. It does feel like we're returning to that.
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A lot of artists we see today are that. No, what I also think is pretty interesting is the reality
TV that we were obsessed with around that time. So American Idol was incredibly popular at that time.
Kind of our first pair of social relationship. We had survivor, which was really, really popular.
We had the real housewives of New York City. Finally. That's very swine. I think so. Yeah. I think so.
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We had real housewives of Atlanta, a spin-off come after that. And then we had wipe out come in.
Which is I do love to watch wipe well when it's on everywhere. But it's literally just like a
destruction like we said earlier, like stupid, silly little things where either we're looking at
these ostentatious people with extreme displays of wealth or people putting themselves into
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ridiculous scenarios to get money. And do you think that all of this? I mean, I guess we
could kind of say this for the end, but this is just ways to distract the public from what's
really going on. Or do you think artists are consciously like people need something happy to
listen to or to watch? Yeah, but about I think it's kind of a bit about. I mean, I don't think there's
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some overlord, but like what's going to sell better right now? Is it like people want to skip
is that? Yeah, a lot of the time. Which I think art is just in general. And so I think in a hard
times, people gravitate towards just like, well, let's pretend like that freaking imagined song.
Do you remember whenever COVID started and all those like, oh, it's not like it's like that,
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like that's like the art that's what they had. I just imagine in their minds, I'm like, you know,
I'm gonna put out a banger. Thank you for the banger. But also they heal. They're thinking that, you
know, like it's going to be like that imagined moment. And if that was the song, they're way too
over the top. Like, this is my fight song. Make me want to do violets to my song. Like,
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there is a fun. No, I hate roar. That was like other one. I hate it. So,
if you were a band down so bad that you like plastic bag, you had to turn it on and you were just like,
I'm gonna fight. Did you want to know why? It's because fight song and roar just give me
Hillary Clinton losing flashbacks on this 16. So, like, anytime I hear that, I just think about weeping
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on my cram. It's so fun. I think one of it, one of the times I was probably in like the deepest of my
whole dark dark depressions. I played that song on I should start playing that song just every day.
Okay, moving on. I keep going. No, you should always me. Okay, 2009 pop song is
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my queen lady Gaga was the top artist to 2009 poker face in bad romance. She had a total of
1,734 points on the charts. I have no idea what that means. They were they were points. They were
points. How many points do we have? Point. We have points. All right. We got a coin. We make a lot of
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good points. Yeah. The black eyed peas had major success with hits like Boop Boop, Pow and I got a
feeling like Glee cat. No, that is a traumatizing. Oh, that's not me. I got a feeling. Again, a feeling.
Yeah, every wedding, this like when all of your friends start getting married around like
2012 or so. Yeah. That song was just so beautiful. Yeah. The Glee cast. Got it. Were you
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actually? No. I worked in social services right out of college and all of my clients were obsessed
with Glee. And I had a rule that they could put on whatever music they wanted when they were in
my car. Oh, God. Does it just make them feel safe? Yeah. And so many of them wanted the album and the
chipmunks soundtrack. Okay. And the Glee soundtrack. Well, it's a dark time. It was a dark time. Yeah.
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Michael Jackson following his death in June 2009. His music saw research and popularity,
placing him among the top artists of the year again. And then Taylor Swift,
college continuing her success from 2008 remained a top artist in 2009. Yeah, it's interesting to see
throughout this like literally some similar artists like Michael Jackson in Beyond the Sessions,
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the Avionte, Taylor Swift. And then when I was researching this, how can I forget about
this? The COVID-19 recession. Yeah. Which we all just remember as a global pandemic, but it also had
crazy economic implications. Absolutely. As we all know. And Mike's still be doing with four years later.
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But I'll take you back to the year of 2020. We're all stuck on TikTok, listening to these
addicting new songs that we saw people dancing to all while wearing masks. I think we weren't going to die.
It was all right, but we saw the same trends in music. What's our artist? We had to do a leap. We had
Dosa, the weekend, and then BTS kind of came into the popular reality. The top five songs of 2020
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were "Blinding Lights" by the Weekends, "Circles" by Post-Belone, The Box by Roddy Rich. Don't start now
by our queen, Dua Liza. And then rock star by De Baby featuring Roddy Rich. I've never heard the
box by Roddy Rich in my life. Yes. I would agree, but it says it was a viral sensation. Yeah. Maybe
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once we hear it. Well, no, I've got it. Maybe we're in the box. So we can hear the box, you know? I also
remember that from Madoka by Lady Gaga came out during 2020. And oh my god, that album I think had
gotten me through the pandemic. And that's still one of my favorite Gaga albums. But it was her return to
Hyperpop gay pop dance hall. Yeah. With like Rain on Me and Stupid Love after Cho Wain and I was so.
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Yeah. And all I remember thinking with my friends is like, I cannot wait to go to the gay club. It
danced to Rain on Me and we're allowed to go to the club again. Oh my god. I did a Zoom class with this
like instructor from Equinox. Oh, I did a Zoom class. And a Zoom class was like to we learned
the Rain on Me dance that he had and it was so good. It was so fun. At the only time I could do it was one
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it was covered and they were doing three instructional. It wasn't my being the building. So I'm too
too poor for that one so bad. Air one day, one day. Yeah. No, I love it. But yeah, it's just that
it was the distraction. And I think some of these artists knew. I mean, obviously you work
in an album when you're in August for years. Prop you don't know there's going to be an international
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global pandemic. But in like God does kind of try to delay. I remember correctly putting out
chromatic gun and eventually she was like, now y'all need this. Y'all need this. That's like a black
mirror. The most recent season that came out was supposed to come out in like May 2020. And he
was just like, I'm not releasing us. The world doesn't need this right now. Oh my god. And in Black
(42:33):
Mirror, we did not. Yeah. That's why everyone was like, oh, this feels like kind of like three years
ago because it was three years. Was it all filled? Yeah, it was like ready to release in 2020. And so we
decided not to. But also I think like the reality TV that we were making popular in 2020 is interesting as well.
Oh my gosh. Okay. So we had the masked singer. Tiger King. Oh my god. Everyone was obsessed with
(42:59):
Tiger. Yeah. I was another like you co-alite coalition. Here's a coalition. It's coalition of
tigers for characters. I was going to say when you think of 2020, you think of
correlation. There it is. There you go. There's a couple of cool. And Tiger Kings.
We're so dumb. We're making an argument that is a pretty serious recession. I like to
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coalition. Of course, a coalition of Tiger Kings. They're all wearing crowds. They're from the tigers.
Lily, Tiger King, Love is Blind and RuPaul's Drag Race, which I definitely benched during Co-
because it's happy and dramatic and over the top and colorful. And it may be not want to end things.
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And the bachelor. Yeah. And a lot of people. Yeah. Quite into. I think it's so interesting. So we have
in 2008, American Idol and then the masked singer. Yeah. That's a good mic. But you know,
Tiger King kind of like a slice of life. He would survive. Or like it does feel like similar things.
Just kind of very like popping up where we either want to see people. You're starting. It's very
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odd situation. Yeah. Different from ourselves. You're starting to make me feel like we're living in
a simulation. I'm not going to. I'm not sure I could keep it going. I'm like Olivia. We need
on this. This episode is making me wildly uncomfortable. Do we make any of our own choices or does big
entertainment make it? I mean, what are we? Like that's a really philosophical question. Like are we
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every interaction we've ever had summed up? Or like, you know, that squirrel?
Just you know, I've watched too many like TikToks that relate to you. And you're like, this is so me.
And by the end of it, you're like, what am I? Have I ever got a unique? Have I ever had a unique
experience in my life? Let us try to explain simulation 32. In the same way that we've tried to
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explain to you economic music trends. I can use my old timey vibes. Yeah. I sure should bring it back
for a good one. But I do think it is such an an interesting, you know, return to where we are today.
A lot of people are looking at, you know, Charlie X, the X Sabrina Carpenter, Chapel Road,
and they're saying, oh, this is like the good music that we had in the 2000. And they're like,
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there are some bad things that really did happen. So right now we have Taylor Swift breaking records.
Again, she's in the league around. She's going after the Beatles right now. But then we have Billy
Eilash who really did change her sound to be very upbeat. By the way, gas, remix with Billy Eilash.
Oh, Charlie, it's been in my head for days. It's so good. And the music video is them firing shots.
(45:52):
I Taylor Swift in the funniest way. And I need to watch. And as a Taylor Swift father, they do it so good.
Every time I listen, I didn't work. I pulled this just from like collective data, but are going to
Grande, do Alipa, and then Sabrina Carpenter, who is very known for like her silly like Espresso
(46:12):
has no meaning songs, but they're just so catchy. And then our current reality TV show,
Tram, they're even funnier. Exactly the same. But yeah, saying, mass singer, survivor,
RuPaul's drag race, the bachelor, and then love Island, the one that I'm obsessed with.
But do you think maybe some of these trends repeat themselves when it comes up in recession time?
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I mean, not that I think we're at a recession right now, right? Well, I could be trying to say
that it could be coming. And we have had a crazy market crash in the last week or two.
That's crazy. The ninth that I wrote the next day, the market crash. And you were like, and it was one
of the worst days in market history. No, they completely halted trading. That's in Monday.
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Illinois says what they call it, but the day after that's insane. I was gonna say like maybe we're always
reaching for the comfort of nostalgia during these times. And so because we get so stressed out
and the pressures of life become too much, like we've joked about a lot in this episode. Like
maybe the comfort of things that were in the past. Yeah. Is what makes us, and so we reached
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for things that make us feel that same feeling that we did. Like love Island creates the same
serotonin in me that like flavor of love. Oh my god. Yes. And this gives me the same like this is
nonsense. It's so worth the topic. Makes me feel those they feel like. Yeah. Okay. Maybe that's why
I had some part of being reached for them. Okay. Yeah. Because really the next thing was like,
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why do you researchers and you know, psychologists and people think that we really look to this and
find these patterns within human behavior during economic hardship. And a lot of it is
escapism. Like we've talked about, you know, people gravitate towards music that is happy, especially when
they're stressed or anxious. And then studies have shown that when unemployment rates are high,
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people want happy melodies as a way to really count our benignal and stuff. So that makes sense. And
then there is this argument and this comes with all art, clothes, music, you know, everything. It's
that is just a cycle. Oh my god. Yeah. 30 years. We like have we've never invented anything new.
That is so interesting because if you remember like the fashion when we were in the 90s, it was all
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callbacks to 60s and 70s fashion. Yeah. All this I know isn't bell bottoms again. You know, I mean,
I guess I was kind of like the early 2000s. Yeah. 90s. We were all wearing bell bottom jeans against
my late faces and pea sides, yin yin and I remember my mom saying them and being like, oh, this stuff
is called the 60s. Yeah. That's what I used to wear. Yeah. And then in the 70s, the peasant style,
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which is what they made. The seven really. Yeah. Exactly. And now it's 2024 and we're getting that
Y2K fashion back again. It's all now. It's indy. So it is. And I literally cannot stop seeing
fuck is indy. It's the late it's 2010 hipster tumbler, which is with their flat like their
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ripped tights and their flannels and their little hipster little brim. Like the um, yes,
that's like an ass. Like an ass. That's coming back right now. Oh no. I got so much of that. Yes.
I had saw my whole necklaces. Yeah. I actually do have like a very crazy like connection. I
didn't know that's a thousand. So like indy. Yeah. And well, they call it indy sleaze now. That's
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how we got it when we know we were. It's. Yeah. Now it's indy. So he's like, it's very
hot that American. You know, like, I'm going to go through. Yeah. It's very American apparel. And
that's what's coming. And I felt like I started like I noticed the trend earlier in fashion,
just because fashion trends are for women are noticeable and discussed a lot. Yeah. But the music
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really does come with that as well. And then ultimately like consumer behavior, like we want to
see people getting things that we can get like the Kardashians also started in, you know,
2000. Yeah. And you know, like my super sweet 16 like Jeff, we came out when we were about to turn
(50:27):
16 and we weren't going to have fucking birthday party. Yeah. And like, but for some reason,
we wanted to watch other kids ever. Yeah. And it's so interesting to just like look at like, you
would think we would be disgusted by that because of wealth disparity, but actually our brains
like sure, because they'd have been like, Oh, no, we want that. If I work hard enough,
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yeah, just pick myself up from my bootstraps. I too could have a Mercedes for the first day. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, you can't Rachel. Exactly. And ultimately it's important to know that these are
correlations that we're drawing. It's not causing a, you know, don't go. Pop music does it cause
the reset? Yeah. But don't don't don't go attack like a chopper, or a Sabrina, Sabrina,
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Carmen, or music trends are not just reliable indicators. But it can help us, you know, kind of
determine like, that's all this really interesting thing when the stock market crash that they were
saying, like, is McDonald's crashing? Like is there stock? It's just traditional like the
Milly other day stable thing. Yeah. You can look at a lot of things like one of the funniest
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Alex this is that doesn't really get all I feel like I know what you're going to say about
Florida hurricane is actually serious is if the waffle house is closed. That means that there's
really a hurricane coming and like you should get out of town, but if the waffle houses are open,
you stay open. Yeah. I see correlations between like the amount of
hapsicles that are bought in a community that correlates with the amount of like serial killers
(51:57):
that happens like, oh, yeah. And maybe it wasn't that's it. It was something about ice cream and like
murder. Yeah. But it's like because more people buy ice cream when it's hot outside. And like,
it doesn't even murder moral because they're angry. Yeah. Honestly, yeah. And so it's not because
ice cream causes murder. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And so, you know, it's like, yeah, oh,
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ice cream is turning the murder. It's turning the frogs day.
It's turning the frogs day. Do you hear them remix of that? Trying to freaking frogs. Yeah,
it actually does. Yeah. On a big gay fraud. Dude, so gay fraud. Yeah. So living my life on a
lily pad with you. Yes. One day. One day. One day. We'll react. He's being you talking shit.
(52:47):
No, no, no, no, I'd be in gay fraud. I took that other frog over there. I said, you see which frog
that he's loving, and the other. Yeah. You want to know, I bet your ribbit would be a most
foul. Like you would just have like this, this stinky is a little. Yeah. Because you can't fart
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in that. Which you have to be real. I don't know if I'm saying that. I think you would just have like
zero farty frogs. That would be so gassy. Yeah. This is too foul. I'm so sorry.
Well, Junkies, speaking of escapism, it is time for us to go. You can be a gassy frog in a lily pad.
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That's not a gassy gay frog in a lily pad. Yeah. It is time for us to go. But first, let's tell
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