The Problem(s) with Katy Perry

This week, Shauna and Olivia are finally face to face and back in the studio after Olivia temporarily cures her Seasonal Affect Disorder with a trip to the sunny desert from gloomy San Francisco. After a brief celebration, the Junkies turn to one of today's most serious problems: Katy Perry. Once a teenage dream, now a middle-aged nightmare, Katy only seems to make headlines for ill-advised and tone-deaf actions. Shauna and Olivia remember Katy's golden years when she was a "Firework" dancing with Left Shark and break down how that led to insincere feminism, being weird in space and getting trolled by Wendy's.

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Episode Transcript

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♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪

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- Welcome to our show, in-person, live, in a studio.
We are Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
I am Shauna and I'm Olivia.
- And we are glad that you have found us.
I missed you.
- I missed you too.
- I'm glad that you're here.
- It's good to not see you through a screen.
- I know your hair looks so good.
It's so long.
- Thank you.

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It's also very black.
- It's so black.
Like my soul.
- We same same.
- I know now that Shauna and I aren't together all the time,
I can have black hair.
- Yeah.
- And people really won't say that we're together.
- Oh, you guys did third.
- Yeah, like a guys fraternal twins.
- Did you guys share a whole meal?
(laughing)
- We might have.
- We might have.
- We might have.

(00:45):
- We're still out.
- One can only win.
(laughing)
- We did celebrate Olivia's birthday together in Phoenix,
which was a lot of fun.
- Yes.
- We got like a day bed, laid by the pool,
and did lots of shots,
and ate lots of food.
- My knees saw the sun for the first time this year.
- Yeah.
- It was a beautiful,
- Yeah, we wore bathing suits.

(01:05):
- We didn't like totally.
It turned to ash at the sun, hitting our skin.
- It was great.
- It was quite odd.
I got in the car today to drive here,
and I got in, and it was like a very hot car,
and I was like, ooh, I like this feeling.
And I was like, I feel like you can only really like that feeling
if you experience it two to three times a year.
- Yeah, not if you live in Phoenix.

(01:26):
- I think you're like, - It's like a nostalgia feeling.
- You're getting into an oven.
- Oh, I'm home, but I don't want to stay home.
- I know, I just asked Olivia before we were recording.
Like, when do you think you're gonna come back again?
She's like, not in the fucking summer, Shana.
Oh my God, so I'm gonna have to go to San Francisco,
or we're gonna wait till October.
- There were spots.
- And that's not gonna happen.
- There were spots.
- I know, I guess I'll go to San Francisco.

(01:48):
- It's beautiful.
- It is beautiful.
- And it's colder in the summer.
- There.
- I went in July once, and I was cold.
- Yeah.
- It was like a weapon, it was super cold there.
- It was stupid.
Then I just got drunk in a little.
- A little.
- It was also raining.
- It was also raining.
I also didn't believe people
when they said seasonal depression exist.

(02:09):
And then I didn't see the sun for like three months.
And then I came here and I was like,
oh, you do need vitamin D, got it.
- I can feel my serotonins the minute I get into a patio
in like this phoenix spring.
And I'm like, have a drink in my hand and the sun.
And maybe someone walks a dog by.
I go, you know what?
Maybe everything will be okay.

(02:29):
- Maybe this is the point.
- Maybe this is the point.
And then CNN dings on my phone.
And I'm like, he did what?
- Oh, never mind.
(laughing)
Everything is trash.
Anyway, speaking of trash, that's gonna bring us in
to this week's topic, which is a trash celebrity,
the downfall of Katy Perry.
- Oh.

(02:50):
(dramatic music)
- So Olivia and I have one thing on our minds,
the downfall of civilization.
But also, what's the deal with Katy Perry?
She's in space.
She's getting trolled by Wendy's.
She's working with Russian company.
She's at the Met Gala, but like not really.

(03:12):
- She's going and done and court.
- Killed and done.
Oh my God.
- She was like in a legal battle with a nun.
And the nun literally dropped dead in the body.
- She died of the court hearing.
She said Katy Perry represents everything that we don't like.
It would be a sin to sell this church to her and then died.
- Yeah, in the middle of the courtroom.

(03:33):
What a statement.
- What a statement.
- What a statement.
- Anyway, what is going on with Katy Perry?
She used to have the world on her shoulders.
Everyone thought that she was gonna be the next pop superstar.
- I mean, she was for a little bit.
- She was.
- She was her teenage dream era.
Like, she was such a big star that if you weren't there,

(03:53):
I feel like it's hard to explain because she was kind of famous.
- She was ultra famous.
- Yeah.
- She was on top of the world.
She was doing it.
When I first learned about Katy Perry, she was dating Jim Class Heroes like singer.
- Oh my God.
- And she was going to work towards the same thing.
- She was going to work to her and the alternative station in Phoenix used to play
I Kiss to Girl.
She was kind of on that like cusp of like not punk by any means, but kind of like she

(04:18):
was a genius rock.
- Yeah, kind of like.
I'm a cool alternative girl, look at my shaggy haircut, right?
- Yes.
- And then she, her first, well she first started as a Christian singer under the name Catherine
Hudson.
- Yeah.
- So if you look back in the day, it's all Jesus music.
I think her dad was a pastor.
- Yeah.
- Real Bible belt.
- Yeah, and I'll admit that I think Katy Perry has a nice voice.

(04:40):
- Oh yeah.
- I think she's a good talented singer.
So she released gospel album and then got discovered I guess.
- Yeah.
- And then went on to release "You're So Gay."
- Yeah.
- Which is a good song though.
- It's so like kind of offensive, but like it's Bob.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- Listen.
- It was a 2010s product.

(05:01):
- Yeah.
- But it is a Bob.
- It screams 2010.
- It's a homophobic Bob.
- It's a homophobic Bob.
- Just like picture a burn original version.
- Original version of homophobic.
- Yeah.
- Insert Hillary Duff.
- You know, you shouldn't say gay as an insult.
- It's like saying that top is born as pants.
I don't remember the rest of it.

(05:23):
You're skirt being a born as a top.
- There you go.
- There you go.
- I got there.
Come on, Hillary.
Help us out.
Help us out.
- We're all ready.
- So Hillary Clinton arises.
- Katy Perry is kind of like crushing it in every single way.
In her first two albums, she's really, really popular.
I think at the time she's actually married to Russell Brand.

(05:46):
And that should have been our first.
- She dated Orlanda Blimb.
- No, she dated John Mayer.
- She dated John Mayer.
- She dated John Mayer, which is where the famous Taylor Swift and Katy Perry feud is actually
from.
- I thought it was the stealing of the backup dancer.
- Yeah, but like, you know, I think there was animosity there and then it bill.

(06:06):
But yeah, the public story is that it's a backup dancer thing.
But I think that's like, you know, when you are just like so mad at someone and they
do something like really small and you're like, "Yeah."
- Yeah, and you're like, "Now that's the straw that probed the Katy Perry's back."
- Or you're in like a petty war.
That's like what I think happened, ultimately.
But Katy Perry, this feud with Taylor Swift really kind of starts her like initial like,

(06:33):
what the hell is going on with Katy Perry?
- Yeah, because it kind of like everyone was kind of taking sides, I think.
And I do, they squashed it, I think, really well.
And it was in Taylor's video.
They squashed it for you need to calm down.
- Yes.
- And I thought that was really cute.
She was on top of the world.
She performed at the Super Bowl and had the famous left shark.
Her song, "Oh gosh, Roar was used at like every single political campaign."

(06:59):
- Well, that's actually, that's a little bit before.
So when she released her album, "Prizm" is where she got into doing...
- If you're talking about the purposeful pop.
- Yes, purposeful pop.
- And that's later in her, her way of saying it.
- Yes, yes, yes.
- Witness.
- And then, she gets into this feud with Taylor Swift.

(07:19):
And they're like having a song off.
And have you ever heard the song "Swish/Swish" by Katy Perry?
- It's so bad.
- Yes.
- It's when she chopped all of her hair off, too.
- Yes, well, she was trying to be a little...
- The purposeful pop.
- ...the purposeful pop.
- ...siris, which is the witness album.
- Oh, that's it.
That's it.
Okay.
- Yes.
- Witness.
Yeah.

(07:40):
So she goes into...
- "Prizm" had Dark Horse in Roar, which were like...
- Oh, those are pretty usually famous.
- So, right after "Swish/Swish".
Katy Perry cuts her hair into a pixie cut.
- It literally cuts it.
- Literally, exactly.
- And her cut is Miley Cyrus' hat.
- Yes.
And Katy Perry is a beautiful woman.
- No, with that haircut.
- No, with that haircut.
- And she starts really going into doing the most bubblegum activism ever on this album,

(08:06):
as well, in the witness album.
- Oh, god.
- It's so bad.
She said it was going to be "Purposeful Pop".
But there was nothing.
- Yeah, there's nothing deep.
- It's something deep.
- It took Katy Perry's hair.
- And this is coming out during...
So, changed to the rhythm.
Came out in 2017.
This is after Donald Trump had become elected president.
We're having a political revolution.

(08:28):
We want feminism is in the forefront.
And she releases this sad-ass little song and album that's like, "Look, I'm participating."
And then "Swish/Swish" bitches on that.
- Yeah.
- With "Bone/Apeteet".
- Which was really controversial.
- Well, she also performed it on SNL and did her first.
We will get into the next many of them.

(08:51):
Really bad dance moves on SNL.
- Okay.
- To "Bone/Apeteet", where she dabs.
- Oh.
- But just like a cringey white lady dab with Migos rapping.
- Yeah.
- Oh, I see.
- Honestly.
- There are so many moments of Katy Perry's career, where if you just put them together,
you're like, "I am uncomfortable."

(09:12):
- It's so cringey.
- But it's so cringey, you feel it in your butt.
- I want to take a little...
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- You know, you just...
- It's oo!
- Yeah.
- Take a little pause here.
- Were you ever a Katy Perry face?
- Yes.
So our first two albums, like Teenage Dream, when I was a senior in high school, was bumping that.
- That and Kesha, which is quite funny.
- Oh, I love that.

(09:33):
- That it was Kesha of all people.
- Like us.
- Yes.
- Yeah, the famous Dr. Luke and Kesha battle.
Katy Perry, four teenage dream, worked with Dr. Luke.
Dr. Luke was very respected at the time.
We didn't really know anything about...
- Yeah.
- Kesha hadn't came out with her accusations.
- Kesha, Anna, Kelly Clarkson hadn't.

(09:54):
- That's right.
- About how kind of awful this man was.
- Yeah.
- And among sexual abuse, it was also...
He was stealing people's credits.
- Yeah.
- He's grabbed a song, like all of these things.
So allegedly, so we don't get sued here.
- Someone's gonna sue Paul.
- Yeah.
- Good luck.
- We're Ironclad bitches.

(10:15):
- Yeah, that's it.
But, you know, allegedly, you know, these things happened to these women.
And of course, we very much believe it on this side.
But what about you, were you ever Katy Perry fan?
- Not really.
I always, I mean, I've been such a big gaga fan for so long.
And it kind of felt like Katy Perry was just like the team who got gaga knock off for a lot.

(10:39):
- Yeah.
- She definitely has some songs that I have on some like get drunk and buy the pool playlist, right?
- Yeah.
- Last Friday night, a Bob.
- I hated last Friday night.
I hate that fucking song.
- I love that song.
- I like Dark Horse.
- Ooh.
- I like Harley's and Hawaii.
- So you like her later music?
- Yeah, those are Dark Horse.

(11:00):
- Okay.
- It was what like 2017, yeah, I guess.
- Yeah.
- All right.
- I like Kiss to Girl because I'm a little guy.
- Okay.
- Like, yeah.
- Okay.
- Her first single ever and then her fourth album.
- Yeah, yeah.
- In between, not so much.
- Okay.
- I remember working in some services.
- So that's a controversial opinion.
- Dark Horse is a good song.
- I mean, it's a good song.
But like, how often are you seeking out Dark Horse?

(11:24):
- No, at the time it came out.
- Oh, it was good.
- I don't fucking like Katy Perry anymore.
- Okay.
- You're like, I heard it once.
- I hate it.
- That's what you're getting me right now.
- It was fine.
It's a fine song.
When I worked in social services, I had this client.
- I had a real Dark Horse.
- I had a real Dark Horse if you know what I mean.
- I had this girl who was my client and she wouldn't speak to any other support person who

(11:50):
came into her house.
- Yeah.
- She had a serious mental illness.
And I'm not breaking any hip.
I was like, fucking ten years ago.
- From that stupid thing.
- She's a college now.
She's fine.
- I was in and I really, I saw like the teenage dream album sitting there.
- Oh, it was pretending like that.
- I was like, wow, I love Katy Perry.
- She's just your sweet, sweet, sweet song.

(12:12):
- Sweet, sweet, sweet.
- I was like, I need, I don't.
- I need a new position.
- I'm quitting.
- I can't do this.
- I quit.
- But we had to bond over Katy Perry and that's all she would speak.
When I came out and I was like, yeah, she's great.
She loves me.
She won't speak to anyone else.
How did you get her to talk?
Talk about Katy Perry.
- So that's why you meet kids where they are.

(12:35):
- She would say in the California girls, like there's fine fresh fears.
We got it on lock.
And I used to tease her by saying farm fresh eggs.
We got it.
And she was so mad at me.
- Yeah.
- You, you, you disrespected me.
- I did.
- She got it on with girls.

(12:56):
So now when you hear that, think farm fresh eggs.
- She got it on.
- Did you hear that on a commercial?
- No, I just, craving some eggs.
- I just was hungry.
- I love eggs.
- Okay.
- Now this economy, farm fresh eggs.
- Yeah.
Now it's coming back.
She should lean into that.
Now, and Katy Perry has always kind of been someone who makes, like, like, swish, swish.

(13:19):
If you've never seen the music video, go watch it.
- She's too good.
She's so weird.
- She's like, what's like B?
- Riff Raff.
- Yeah.
- She came with Riff Raff.
- Wasn't she dating him for a little bit?
- I don't know if they dated, but they definitely attempted, like, an awards show together.
And this was been me and my husband.
We're in this era where we kind of ironically liked Riff Raff.

(13:40):
But then it kind of got a little too serious.
And we started actually liking Riff Raff.
So we had to stop because we got nervous.
- I one time was at a college party and we were in what, in Tempe is called the View.
- Oh, god.
- And it's basically just like a giant frat house.
- I'm sorry, I just had a flash back.
- Yeah, but it's like apartments.
- Yeah.
- And you would go, like, room to, or apartment to apartment.

(14:02):
And there would be like crazy apartments.
- Everyone's doors just open.
- Yeah.
- Everyone's open.
It's like a giant party.
It was a great time in college.
- Time to do that.
- And I have been daydriggy all day, like, tailgating.
And I look over.
And I just see Riff Raff in his rainbow colored braids.
And I'm like, I need to get out of here immediately.
Like, this is the time where I said, I should go home.
- I got it go home.
- I need to leave Riff Raff is here.

(14:23):
- I'm so glad I wasn't there because I absolutely would have tried to sleep with Riff Raff.
- 100%.
- It was after spring breakers that come out.
- You know I would have to.
- I, all I can see when I look at you is look at all my shit.
- Spring break.
- Spring break.
- Spring break.
- I absolutely would have gone up in my layer.
- Riff Raff.
- Yeah.
- Let's do it.

(14:44):
- I'm glad you weren't there.
- I'm so glad I wasn't there.
- Yeah.
- Let's take a little break.
- We don't need that Riff Raff.
- We don't need that Riff Raff in our life.
Let's take a little break and then we're going to get into what most people kind of know for
the current controversies for Katy Perry.
This bitch went to space.
- Yeah.
- Before we get more into Katy Perry's bullshit, I just want to remind everybody that we have

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- I'm going to pull up the figure.
- I lost my spine to the whole mouth.
- You can piece a paper to follow underneath.

(15:55):
Listen, she's never beating the paper out.
- I'll say it work.
- I want to be stupid.
- I know you do, sweetie.
It's okay.
I want to look at my Olivia and be a dumbass and talk about Katy Perry.
- She sucks.
- I forgot to mention about Katy Perry.

(16:17):
- This is the place dimension.
- During the witness era, she did like a 48 hour livestream.
- Maybe it was about that.
- She was unhinged in it.
It's also when she had a pixie cut.
Everyone hated her.
It's wild.
There are clips of it.
It is the most random thing you've ever seen.
- It's like rolling on the floor.

(16:37):
- Yeah, one point she's crying on the stairs.
- Yeah.
- Like drama.
- No one understands me.
- Yeah, it's wild.
- So, don't swish, wish.
- I think she was trying to be.
So, in our J-Lo, like the fall of J-Lo break down episode, you know what I mean?
- Yeah.
- We talked about how J-Lo needs to become more like personal with her audience and be seen

(17:02):
as more of a person.
- It is very easy, yes.
I think this was Katie trying to be like, look, I'm just like you guys.
I'm a real person, but it was so weird.
It was like a big brother house.
- Yeah, it was odd.
- And anytime a celebrity enters into reality television show territory, I feel like it's

(17:22):
kind of like the downfall of their career.
Unless that's how you started, like the Kardashians.
- Yeah, I think that Katie Perry, like right now, so there's kind of two main controversies
happening for Katie Perry right now, which is her terrible tour promo of going to space.

(17:45):
- The space trip was so like, read the fucking room.
Where the world is at war, people are dying, Kim.
- Yeah. Look at everything that's going on in the news and the things that people really
care about.
And we're all kind of, you know, eat the rich right now.
Like we don't, we're not into fucking billionaires.

(18:05):
Elon Musk is tearing down the country.
Donald Trump sucks and she's going to go on Jeff Bezos' penish-shaped airplane to space.
- Yeah, with Lauren and Gail.
And I'm just talking about how much I like to gail.
- I know.
Embarrassing.
- Cancel me.
- Yeah, I would.
- I would, guys.
- I would.
- I would.
- Do it.

(18:26):
So yeah, she goes, it's not just that she goes into space.
She goes into space and comes back doing some of the most unhinged shit.
So she gets back from space, steps on the ground and kisses it.
- She was in space for 11 minutes.
- That's worth mentioning.

(18:47):
- 11 minutes.
And she has this little daisy with her the whole time.
And I'm sorry, she probably had a video of her like staring into my room.
- Yeah.
- She's at a grateful, dead concert.
- And everyone behind her is looking rightfully so out the window at this beautiful view of
Earth that like she's like, all.
- Take a picture.
- Us pours are never going to get to see.
- And she's like, here's the set list for my upcoming tour.

(19:10):
Like try to put it up to the camera and it's all blurry.
You know it can see it.
- What song did she sing?
And Waltz in space.
- I don't remember, but I remember Gail said that she did.
- It's a beautiful world.
- Oh, girl.
- I think so.
Yeah, I think it's a beautiful world.
- I did like the memes of everyone was getting off the ship and Gail just like fucking over
it.

(19:31):
And someone said if Katy Perry sang to me in a space capsule, I'd be fucking over it too.
Like okay, I get that.
- But no, it was just so tone deaf and then she tried to spin it as something like.
- She said there's so much love.
I feel so much of the love.
- And like some feminist moment.

(19:52):
And you know what?
Like I think this comes down to like my issue with Katy Perry too is this fake white feminism
that doesn't actually advance women and the causes that feminists care about.
Right?
So like going to space for 11 minutes on a billionaire's rocket ship is not what feminists care
about.

(20:13):
- For a female, all female fight crew.
- We don't care about that.
That's not furthering feminism.
There was one lady on the flight that I think was an actual astronaut.
And like she got totally pushed under the rug about shooting.
And I'm sorry.
Like in the mix of class wars and everything going on like no, you going to space is not making
anyone feel more feminist.

(20:34):
- Yes.
And then it's like it's it's always the contradictions with her like I'm in a release
a song called Woman's World about female power.
- Oh my god.
- But I'm going to work with like a man accused of like.
- Yes.
- Assault and things like that.
- For that exact song.
And that was Dr. Luke who let me have mentioned earlier.
She after everything that came out about Kesha and Kelly Clarkson and all these people.

(21:00):
She went back and worked with him again in July 2024 for Woman's World, which she said
was aimed to empower women.
Have you seen the music video for that song?
- Yes.
- So stupid.
- It kind of like makes fun of women.
- Yeah.
It's not what doing what she thinks.
- It's very like again.
She was married to Russell Brown.
- It's true.
- So in like re-evaluations.
- Yeah.

(21:20):
- But she like is dressed for the male gaze in the video is making fun of quote unquote like
bimbo women.
Like we're past that make fun of other women kind of feminist.
- That's right.
- That's not it.
- Yeah.
- So that was a massive flop.
We should also mention that like her both all of her previous albums.
I mean we kind of talked about witness which had swish swish.

(21:43):
And that was a huge fucking flop.
But then this album that just came out, smile and then with woman's world all of it just
commercial failures.
- Yes.
And that leads us really to our second embarrassing moment in controversy is Katie Perry is
on a world tour right now and has record low sales for this tour.

(22:10):
I actually before we recorded I was looking if you're in the Phoenix area.
She has $60 tickets at footprint.
If you want the nosebleed.
- No way.
- It's like really good seats, 130 at footprint.
- It's not even a stadium tour.
- That's insane.
Like I was looking into Gaga tour tickets and they're like $500 for the cheapest.

(22:32):
- Yeah.
I'm not going to that.
- Yeah.
But 30 bucks.
- But footprint isn't like a stadium.
Like I think they already moved it out of stadiums.
But on top of that her ticket sales are flopping and the weirdest behavior on stage.
- Her dance moves are so strange and I almost wish I knew the context.
Like is she trying to be funny?

(22:54):
- Of course she is.
- But she's like Jennifer Lawrence in 2012.
- Yeah.
Like that's what she's doing.
- But it's not charming.
- Funny.
Like it's coming.
It's just bad dance moves.
It's cringey.
- She's like embarrassing.
- She's like embarrassing, robotting.
She has like a terrible wig on.
- Yeah.
- There's just weird stuff.

(23:14):
- She's fighting with a lightsaber against like air conditioning dogs coming out.
- Yeah.
- Her like what was the budget on this tour?
- Her Vegas residency.
During California girls she was in a glittery toilet paper outfit like dress and then she
was singing the chorus with the challenge.

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- To a big toilet poo in the toilet.
- That's it's not a dance put poo in the toilet.
- Yeah, like it's not camp.
It's not camp.
- She's like trying too hard.
- Yes.
- Gaga is camp.
- Yeah.
- This is cringey.
- Yeah.
- And there is a difference.
- Yeah.
- I don't know.
I don't know.
Does have a beautiful husband.
- Oh my god.
- And it makes me think less of Orlando Bloom.

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I'm like what's going on there?
- I love Orlando Bloom.
When we were at Olivia's party as we've mentioned earlier the episode.
- You have to censor your words.
- I will choose my words wisely here.
We were all laying in the day bed after lots of drinks and it came up like we asked one
of the girls, hey did you know that Orlando Bloom is new?
It's on the internet.
Another girl's like, no does he?

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And we're like, yeah.
- Okay, it's not like a leaf picture.
- He's kayaking.
- He's kayaking.
- Well, he's naked.
- Just on his knees.
Just pronounced.
- Yes.
- He's above Katy Perry's head.
- Yeah.
- He was searching for it.
It was it was a worthy service.
- It was.
- I loved it.
- Impressive.
- I've filled my Legolas fantasy.

(24:40):
- Yes.
- You know, from a young young age wanted to know what was under that skirt.
- And I found it.
- Yes.
His Elven staff is powerful.
He can put his pirate ship into my bag.
- Oh, that's a pirate ship.
Legolas doesn't have a pirate ship.

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- I'm making more Orlando Bloom movie references.
- I like about his member.
- I get it now.
- You can steal that ship right into my port.
But yeah, we passed the phone around and we all were like, and then we took a--
- We showed the server.
- We did.
And then we took a shot to Orlando Bloom's penis.
- Yeah.
- And then we said, "Oh, yeah, wait, wait, wait.

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Olivia's birthday."
- Yeah, more important things.
Birthday too.
No, but, you know, it's out there.
You can find it.
- But yeah, I'm interested to know like if Katy Perry can get her career back on track.
I think that she needs to get away from the public eye.
I think that she-- I don't know.
I don't know if anybody-- everyone's sick of her.

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She's made a lot of bad decisions.
She's very out of touch.
I think that's it.
She's out of touch with--
- The biggest crime of all the right now.
- Yeah, being cringed and out of touch.
- Yeah.
- Like, we are in--
- Gen Z cannot have it.
- No, but especially when we have all of these other pop girlies who seem so genuine,
they aren't trying too hard.

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They stand up for what they believe in, but do it in like a meaningful way.
And if they're making distraction pop, which we need, the recession pop, we all need that.
Then they're doing it in a-- I don't know more of a spontaneous--
- Oh, what's funny, man.
Katy Perry came up in a recession time.
So it is very, very interesting.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, I think that--

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- She hasn't been able to recapture it though.
- So Katy Perry during witness, like, had to disappear.
She did disappear.
And she spent, like, same with Jennifer Lawrence.
I think they're in different industries that are comparable, where it was like, "Oh, I'm
the every girl's moral."
I like beer, and I'm fun, and I don't need all these things.

(26:44):
I think that Jennifer Lawrence was that-- that's a very big A-Less movie star.
And then you looked at Katy Perry.
They both disappeared around the same time.
And they both stayed away for around the same time.
- Trust you.
- Jay-law came back good and authentic, and was like, "Okay, she was always--
- I was gonna say-- - Jay-law's hate was totally unbounded.

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It was misogyny, like, for sure.
- But how dare a girl be herself.
But Katy Perry, yeah, she--
- Different.
- Yeah, absolutely.
Because hers doesn't seem authentic in the slightest.
- No, and that's a problem.
But I think that, you know, when people go through a mass hatred, Katy Perry isn't done
anything terrible.

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Like, she went to space like a rich person, so do so many other men.
- Yeah, she's just--
- But--
- She's tongue deaf, I think, is the thing.
It's like, she says she's one thing, "Oh, I'm a feminist, and I'm here for women," but
then she's not when it really comes down to it.
So I think that's her problem.
But yeah, I mean, she hasn't--
- Yeah, she hasn't, like, done anything truly heinous like that.

(27:47):
- Yeah.
- And have a totally normal time.
- That is true.
We need to do an episode like this about the downfall of a man's career.
- Wow.
- And it'll be a lot different.
Because it'll be sad and violent.
- It'll be sad and violent.
- And it'll be crying.
- It'll be crying, somehow.
- She's kind of crenched.
- Yeah.
Yeah.
So obviously, none of this is that serious.

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Katie Perry, you know, just doing the crime of the century as of right now in the Zeitgeist
being crenched.
- Being crenched, being town deaf.
Show up and do an actual volunteer activity.
If you're going to pretend that you're a feminist and that you care about shit, go to
plan parenthood.
- Yeah.
- Go feed some Palestinian children, go volunteer at an LGBT community organization.

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Do something.
And I don't know.
Show us that you actually put your money where your mouth is and not just going to space
with the kids.
- Well, what's interesting is for like two weeks all the news cycle and pop culture was
like Katie Perry's crenched her tour socks.
- Yeah.
- Right.
And then the MacGala happened and someone like created a like a you.

(28:58):
News are created an AI image of her at the MacGala and that happened the year before and she
got a huge press head out of it a year before and I was like, that is definitely someone
from our team because if you Google Katie Perry right now, all you see is her like commenting
on the AI creation of the MacGala.
- To not.
She comments on things sometimes too and I'm like, "Girl, stop."

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- Yeah.
- Wendy's.
Oh my god.
Before we go.
- We'll leave you with the last one.
- This is so funny.
- This is so funny.
- Okay.
It's a tweet that Katie Perry has landed back from space.
- Yes.
- Wendy's responds and says, "Can we send her back?"
- And then my favorite follow up.

(29:40):
- Wendy's the fast food chain.
- Wendy's the, they have fire.
- Wendy Williams.
- Oh my god.
- Rest in peace.
Wait, no, she's alive.
- She's alive.
- She's alive.
- So, Kevcha, who we've mentioned earlier from the Dr. Luke situation.
- Same day.
- Same day, posts a selfie of her in his eating Wendy's and is like, "Love me some Wendy's."

(30:03):
- Yeah, bringing out of a Wendy's cup.
- Bring out a Wendy's cup.
And we're like, "Yes girl."
She's clapped back without even having to like, say anything, just her going to Wendy's.
That was enough.
And I am seeing Kevcha this July 6th in Phoenix, Arizona.
And Olivia refuses to go with me because it'll be 150 degrees.
- I literally spend an ornamental leg to not experience a Phoenix summer anymore, but

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I do love you.
You could have also come to San Francisco.
It's there three days before.
- She's coming three days before.
- Yeah, shit.
- Well, the tickets will be too expensive.
That's fourth of July.
- No, it's still like 50 bucks.
- Maybe I should just do both.
- Yeah.
- Just see her over and over again.
- Yes.
Dancing with my hands tied.
So good.
- Wait, no, wait, dancing with my tears in my eyes.

(30:47):
- I was like, "Is that Taylor?"
- Yeah, dancing with tears in my eyes.
I'll be the animal album.
All of animal by Kesha is a no-skip album.
Just like Teenage Dream is a no-skip album.
Not too much on my girl.
- I'm gonna be drunk and covered in sweat and glitter.
Which is the way I think Kesha wants it.
It's called the Tits Out Tour or something ridiculous.

(31:11):
- For my promo code to get the tickets, it was promo code Tits Out.
And I was like, "Dare me, I'll do it."
And to bring it all back to Taylor Swift, 'cause we're all through.
- So Katy Perry also named her tour the Lifetime's tour
right after the era's tour.
- Girl, come on.
- I'm just so embarrassing because you,

(31:31):
like there are so many tickets in footprint.
Like, footprint is the basketball stadium in Vegas.
- That's a big arena.
It's a big arena.
- It's still big, but it's big.
- It's not even a stadium tour, so.
- Taylor won.
- Taylor won in the event.
- The Lifetime's copying the era's is just.
- Yeah.
- It's cringe.
- It's cringe.
- Yeah.
- And have better dance moves.
- It's giving failure.

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- Yeah.
- So this kid and auditioned for American Idol
and said he had never been kissed.
- Oh, yeah.
- And, okay, first of all, I think if you become a judge
in American Idol, you or a husband, you or a sellout.
- Or you do it to like reconnect with like a middle class,
like older audience.
- Yeah, I hate that.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, I know.
I hate it.
- Yeah.

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- And this kid said he had never been kissed before.
And so she did that thing.
- Should we kiss him?
- I feel like for 10s, she's gonna do his cheek
and the kisses and the mouth.
- That's his kids first kiss.
- For a senior old, yeah.
- A stripper did that to me at my bachelor at party.
- Sure.
- No, like your first kiss.
(laughing)
- I didn't say that.
- Well, yeah, you just did.

(32:33):
- He did the thing where I leaned into kissing
on the cheek and he turned his head and kissed me on the nose.
- Okay, there you go.
Here you go.
- It was my first kiss.
I was saving it for my husband.
- Gross.
(laughing)
- But yeah, so Katy Perry sucks.
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Entertain me, entertain me right now.
I need it bad, I need it bad.
Cause I need it bad, I need it bad.
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