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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Way back in nineteen eighty nine, Batmania was upon us,
and this was because of the upcoming movie Batman, directed
by Tim Burton and starring Michael Keaton. It was a
merchandising extravaganza. Months before release, Batman logos were everywhere on shirts,
serial boxes, training cards.
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Posters all over the television.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This movie was kind of a big deal and the
general public were excited and so looking forward to this movie,
well most of them, you see. There was a lot
of controversy around this release, and mainly that controversy surrounded
the casting of Michael Keaton as Batman himself. Back in
the eighties, Michael Keaton was primarily known for his comedic
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movies such as Mister Mum, and fans of Batman didn't
put much faith into Burton's choice for his leading man.
Warner Brothers actually received over fifty thousand letters in protest,
and in the days before the Internet, this was kind
of considered, you know, quite a lot of letters. But
upon release, everyone's doubts were laid to rest. Keaton was
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absolutely brilliant and to this day his hands down my
favorite Batman. There's just something about his portrayal of Batman
which is so iconic. Keaton's Batman was unlike anything we
had seen on our TV screens at the time. Adam
West was the last actor to portray Batman on the
big screen, and his version, as you know, was very camp.
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But Tim Burton's version.
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Of Batman was dark, serious and gothic, taking liberties from
Frank Miller's now iconic book The Dark Knight Returns, which
kind of reinvented the image of Batman with its Darkermoor
adult storyline. Gotham City is overrun with crime, ruled by
mob boss called Grissom, but a mysterious vigilante called Batman
begins taking down criminals, sparking curiosity and fear. Grissom's enforcer,
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Jack Napier, is betrayed by his boss and falls into
a vat of chemicals during a confrontation with Batman. He
survives a chemical bath, but emerges disfigured and insane as
the Joker, launching a reign of terror on Gotham's city,
and only Batman can stop him. I remember seeing a
picture of Michael Keaton in the Batman's suit for the
very first time, and even at my young age, I
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realized this Batman was very, very different in his all
black suit, which looked nothing like the Neil Adams comics
I was flicking through at the time, and Burton really
knew how to make this Batman look cool.
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And in this movie he certainly.
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Does look cool with that sleek black body armor with
that gothic style. But as cool as this suit is,
it didn't come without its problems. It is now well
known that Michael Keaton could not turn his head in
this costume, and the Batman turn was born, where Keaton
would turn his whole body instead of just his neck,
which I'm not gonna lie is.
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A restriction, but I kind of like the bat turn.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I particularly like some of the filming techniques and the
way that Batman is portrayed to us in this movie.
I love the way that Batman appears behind the Muggers
at the beginning of the movie, with his cape outstretched
and all the smoke billowing around him. I also love
the way that he uses his cape to swoop down
from the shadows, or just the way that the cape
drap around him as he walks or runs. Like I
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said before, Burton has a gothic dark slight eer revision
and brings it to the screen perfectly in a way
that I don't think any other Batman movie has ever captured.
Since Batman's gadgets are also very sleek and simple, like
a steampunked grapple launcher or a simple batterrang or a
smoke pellet. There's no complicated high tech gadgets or weapons.
There's just the bur essentials, the basics that Batman keeps
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on his utility belt. Oh and this Batman does not
have a no kill rule. Keaton's Batman straight up kills
quite a lot of bad guys in this movie. It's
not quite like Afflex Batman, who likes to decapitate bad
guys with his batmobile, but Keaton does kill nonetheless. And
this did rub a lot of people up the wrong
way at the time, who believed that Batman should follow
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his no kill rule, especially on the big screen. But
I don't think that Keaton's Batman goes out of his
way to kill. This movie was responsible for a new
wave of superhero movies. I mean, sure, we had superhero
movies before forehand, like Superman and Swamp Thing, TV movies
like The Incredible Hulk and Spider Man. Heck, even Howard
the Duck got the big screen treatment before Batman did,
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But after Batman we had The Rocketeer, The Shadow, and
The Phantom and Dick Tracy movies that may not have
been given the green light if not for Burton's Batman movie.
In this movie, we see Batman go up against his
arch nemesis, the number one Batman villain of all time,
the Joker, and apparently there was a little bit of
controversy around the casting. This role almost went to Robin Williams,
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who was apparently used as bait to convince Jack Nicholson
to take the part, who did and played the Joker brilliantly.
But I can't help but feel that Robin Williams was
done the dirty a little bit on this, and I
think he would have made a great Joker.
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Maybe a slightly different version of the Joker, but a
great Joker. Nonetheless.
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You see at this point in his career Robin Williams
was not known for his more sinister characters that we
got to see later down the line, like in Insomnia
and One Hour Photo. But I still think he would
have made a great Joker. But the studio believe that
Nicholson was essential to pull in audiences and gave him
top billing and a six million dollar check, as well
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as a percentage of the box office and merchandise, resulting
in Nicholson making between sixty to ninety million dollars. Also,
this movie decided to give the Joker an origin story,
something that had never really been done before, and they
also made the Joker the killer of Batman's parents. By
giving the Joker an origin story and making him the
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killer of Batman's parents, this rubbed a lot of fans
the wrong way, and it was indeed a bold move,
but I gotta say I don't actually mind it for
this version, For this movie, it's kind of fitting.
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As Batman says.
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At one point in the movie, I made you you
made me fust and I think that line is perfect.
The movie comes full circle at this point and makes
Batman and Joker's rivalry a lot more per Kim Basinger
plays Vicky Vale, a successful photojournalist who is obsessed with
the Batman and also falls for Bruce Wayne's charms and
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also catches the eye of the Joker. The scene where
Batman turns up at the restaurant to say Vicky from
the Joker is just amazing as he drops.
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With the skylight like a badass, and they kind of.
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Copy the way that Batman makes his entrance in Batman Forever,
which was awesome, a great entrance, but when we got
to Batman and Robin, it kind of falls flat and
feels more like the Flintstones.
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Anyway, where were we? Oh? Yeah.
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Vicky Vett is played by Kim Basinger, and I think
she's played really well. She screams a few too many times,
but when you consider the things she goes through, you
can't really blame it when you really think about it.
But still, there is a scene in the movie where
Vicky catches Bruce hanging upside down like a batwood and
as a kid, I actually thought this was what he
was doing, hanging upside down like a bat and I
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think many other people did as well, and they kind
of hate the scene because he's not a bat, He's
a man. I would be hanging upside down, but I
prefer to think that he's doing some kind of exercises.
I think this is some kind of exercise ball and
maybe he's doing upside down pull ups. One of the
things that I ate in this movie is how Alfred
just tells Vicky that Bruce Wayne is Batman, Like, what
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the hell was he thinking? Why would he tell a
journalist that Bruce Wayne is Batman a journalist? And funnily enough,
Bruce Wayne actually brings this up in the second movie,
Batman Returns. Another thing I absolutely love about this movie
is the way that Gotham City is brought to life
on the big screen. Tim Burton's vision of Gotham City
is very deco. It's got lots of steel girders and
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steam rising from the mammal covers, and it's grimy, an atmospheric,
and very very cool. Andy You might be surprised to
learn that Burton did not use an existing city. No,
Gotham City was built from scratch at Pinewood Studios with
painted backdrops. More modern Batman movies use actual existing cities
and just call them Gotham City. But what Burton did
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was fictional city that brought the fictional city of Gotham
City to life on screen. And Keaton's Batman fits perfectly
in this world. I feel if it was a real
life city, Keaton's Batman would feel kind of out of place.
And then of course we have the back cave which
has come a very long way since we last saw
it in the Adam West Show. This bat Cave is dark,
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really dark, just like the City as a soul. I
think the back Cave also as a soul. It's kind
of like Batman's Fortress of solitude. It's functional, but it
also fails in so many health and safety elements, like
why is there no railings around.
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The edge of those deep dark voids?
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Seriously, if Icky Veil had took one more step, she
would have been cave pizza. What I love the most
about this bat Cave is the fact that it's not
starile or sleek. It's raw and it's primal, like a
exposed nerve, and it kind of mirrors.
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Batman in a psychological kind of way.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
What I also love about this movie is that we
get my absolute favorite Batman mobile of all time. I
absolutely love this version of the Batmobile, the sleek look,
the cool gadgets. I can honestly say, hands down that
I don't think there has ever been a better Batmobile
than in Batman eighty nine and Batman Returns and the Flash,
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But we don't really want to talk about that. I
always thought that the Batmobile from Batman Forever and Batman
and Robin just looked like toys, because let's face it,
that's what they were designed to sell.
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They were designed to sell toys.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And then when we get to the Norman trilogy, we
have the Tumbler, and for me, that's just not a batmobile.
Afflex and Patterson's Batmobiles I did kind of like. But
for me, Michael Keaton's Batmobile is just hands down the best.
And I've got to say the animated series Batmobile is
a very close second.
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And let's not forget the Batwing. Oh my god, I
love this thing so much.
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In the comics, I think Batman had a batplane or
a backed helicopter, and Adam West also had a back copter.
Burton's Batman fle this sleek, fighting jet looking vehicle in
the shape of a bat awesome and the shot where
the Batwing momentarily floats in front of the moon is
such a satisfying shot and it always gives me the chills.
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But I do have a few complaints about the Batwing.
The contraption that comes out of the front and grabs
a joker's balloons is a little bit convenient. What on
earth was that sciss a garden sheer contraption intended for
in the first place. Also, I think the aiming is
a little off because Batman failed to shoot the Joker
when he was just standing there. Although he may have
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been trying to scare him, I'm not quite sure. But
all in all, I absolutely love the batwing, and for me,
it's up there with the Batmobile. Oh and there is
one more crucial ingredient that makes this movie great the score.
Danny Elfman wrote the main Batman theme tune, and that
theme gives this movie it's soul, it's grand, it's bald,
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and it's heroic and not at all cliche like most
superhero movie scores can be these days. Danny Elfman's theme
has been immortalized as a piece of music I think
we all think of when we think of Batman. Sure,
the other Batman movies have great scores, but Danny Elfman's
score is just the one for me.
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In my opinion.
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It's as iconic as Superman's theme by John Williams, and
to this day it is still used in various Batman projects. Also,
Prince composed and performed the Batman nineteen eighty nine soundtrack
album creating original songs inspired by the film's characters and themes,
and and I kind of feel like this choice in
music doesn't really fit with a Batman movie, but for
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some reason it fits with Batman eighty nine, especially when
that music is played alongside the Joker scenes. They work
really well when Jack Nicholson is on screen playing the Joker.
A few years after the release of Batman eighty nine,
Keaton would once again suit up as Batman in Batman Returns,
which was an awesome movie, but I feel concentrated more
on the villains rather than Batman himself. And of course
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Joel Schumacher took over as director and Keaton stepped away
from the role and Batman Forever was released, starring Val
Kilmer and then finally George Clooney in Batman and Robin,
the movie that killed the franchise for a while, that is,
until Christopher Norlan brought us.
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The Dark Knight trilogy.
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Keaton would eventually return as Batman in The Flash Movie,
which was not a great movie and was riddled with issues,
but the appearance of Keaton as Batman was a high
point of that movie, and it's probably the only reason
that I was excited for it. And then, of course,
Keaton was set to return as Batman in the Batgirl
movie that was apparently filmed in full but canned due
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to tax reasons, and it just never happened.
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That movie never saw the light of day.
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Batman eighty nine will forever be my favorite Batman movie,
and I honestly believe that Keaton's portrayal as Batman cemented
the way that Batman is portrayed in movies in some way, shape.
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Or form ever since.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I would love to see Michael Keaton return as Batman
one last time to kind of tie up the Tim
Burton verse that was created way back in nineteen eighty nine,
and I would only like to see it if Tim
Burton himself is behind the camera.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They did it with Beetlejuice, why not do it with Batman.