November 22, 2024 • 14 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, So this is a little taste of popcorn psychology
for the holiday season. We're going to be doing a
mini episode today talking about rude Off, the Red Nose Reindeer,
the classic claimation from the sixties. We're going to be
talking about the theme of acceptance and the messages we
give to others about who they are. So obviously a
major theme of this Claimation Special is acceptance. Right away,
(00:25):
we are introduced to Rudolph, who is a tiny little
reindeer who is born with a big red nose, and
right away we see his dad really be hard on
him about it and really make him feel like something's
wrong with him. And I think that's something we see
across the whole special, all these characters that are being
told by other people that something is wrong with them.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Just because they're born a little different or something about
them makes them unique.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, because something I know just watching at this time
is that it is all small stuff, like you saying,
like they're all still pretty functional toys and elves and reindeer.
There's just one detail about them that's slightly different than
the norm, and they are made to believe that that
slight difference is so intolerable that they have to exile
(01:17):
themselves to.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
An island, which is pretty intense. Yeah, and mean spirited.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I feel like I didn't I don't remember how mean
this movie was, in especially Rudolph's dad to him about
the fact that he just happens to have a red,
blinking nose.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, And I feel like the dad doesn't even take
hesitate before he asked Rudolph to cover it up, like
there's no option of any other possibility of anything that
could happen besides asking him to cover it up, Like
he jumps to that automatically, which.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Keeps Rudolph living in a space of shame and worry
and anxiety that is impossible for him to function with.
And as soon as he lets go a little bit
and loosens up and plays like normal. After trying a
couple failed options to cover up his blinking red nose
and not be like all the other reindeer, it falls
(02:18):
off and the other adult, yes, the coach immediately just
casts him out.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Because when I think about this from what I watched
as a kid, I think maybe because of the song,
all the other reindeer let.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Him play these games.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I think I always assumed it was like more of
his peers. But yeah, it's all the grown ups that
are showing the children this is how you treat someone
who's different, that you have to cast them out, that
you have to point them out, that they don't belong here.
And I found that to be really interesting because the
only other reindeer that does show a lot of love
(03:00):
towards him and acceptance is another child, the girl reindeer,
the dough Clarius Clarius. Yeah, and that makes sense to
me as that she's the more accepting one. Result the
adults suck.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
The adults are all focused on conformity, yes, and uniformity
and teaching the kids that if you don't fit in
exactly and do everything perfect, and you won't be accepted.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And there definitely is a through line of anxiety in
this movie as well. I was asking HANNAHI we were
watching it, like, is Santa some sort of like godlike
tyrant amongst the reindeer and the elves and the toys,
because I think a lot of what we see with
Rudolph's dad and with the head elf the one is
really mean to Hermie, is that there seems to be
(03:58):
a lot of anxiety about conformity to please Santa. That
there's a lot of fear that we see, especially with
Rudolph's sad of like you, Oh my god, you can't
be different. If Santa sees you like that, or Santa
knows that you want to be a dentist, that something
really horrible is going to happen. So it is also
an interesting allegory, I guess, I don't know if that's
(04:20):
the right word for how a lot of times adults
will try to shove their kids into conformity and uniformity
out of anxiety about how the powers that be, whether
that's society or whatever their God, will punish them for
being different and.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
How they'll lose their place that they've worked for in
society that meant something to them. Rudolph's dad wants Rudolph
to be able to join Santa's slay.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Team, and because I think that's the only job there is,
it seems like fat from a scarcity mindset.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, And he wants him to be
and want what he wanted, and it ignores any opportunity
for Rudolph to shine in his own way.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And the same thing happens to Hermie that he has
to be an elf like all the other ELFs and
do all the other elf things. But he just wants
to be a dentist. Being a toymaker means nothing to him.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
He hates it. He's not good at it.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And people who aren't good at something naturally won't work
very hard to do something that they're not interested in
and don't feel confident in themselves about. You give people
things to do that they're good at, and they will shine.
If you try to make them work at something they're
never good at and aren't interested in, they'll only give
(05:51):
you see effort.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
That's a good point as well. And then people are like,
why aren't they working harder at this thing? And it's like,
because that's not their actual passion or natural ability. And
what I assume is the moral of this movie is
that if you allow people to actually get comfortable with
what makes them different, there can be a lot of
(06:16):
ingenuity and evolve being of things and like change that
is actually good. I mean, that's the point of this right,
that Rudolph's red nose is actually something that will help
them in a pinch versus hurt them. Correct And with
Hermie as well, he says he kind of shades them
and he's like the North Poldings identives because you all
(06:38):
your guys teeth is bad.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Bad because all they eat is sugar.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
That's true, also true, also true, many so many cavities.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean, think about what we learned about from Elf.
They have the four major food groups at the North
Pole candy, cane, candy, corn cotton candy like maple syrup.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
It's syrup, yeah, make syrup is the last one.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So their teeth are falling out. I think harmonies correct
that they need a dentist.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And as Rudolph proved, it tends to get dark at night,
and you can, you know, fly when it's cloudy and
still complete your mission. But if you have only people
with boring noses that don't light up, well, no missions
can be completed when you have a little a bit
of weather.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Because what you can take from this and nothing else
is that if we are only prioritizing conformity, you will
not evolve, You will stay stagnant, and it will actually
probably hold you back more than anything. And so allowing
these characters to actually be themselves allows for change to occur.
That does make people nervous sometimes because, as we know,
(07:45):
human beings when things are different, a lot of times
their first reaction can be fear and anxiety and stifling
the difference. And yeah, it was really cool to see
this example of actually your differences can be what makes
you shine.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
No pen intended for mister Rudel.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, And I think burl Ives being the snowman
is of particular interest to this story. And I wonder
beyond him singing lots of Christmas songs and getting famous
for it, burl Ives went to Eastern Illinois where I went.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Okay, Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Burl Ives definitely went to Eastern Illinois and he was
a football player and ended up he was going to
school for education, I believe, and he got himself kicked
out of Eastern Illinois.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Too cool pretty much.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, snowman, that's bananas.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Someone asked him if he wanted to build a snowman,
and he.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Said hell yeah, and they're like, get out of here.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's exactly a little girl. Do you want to build
a snowman? He said, no, I want to be a snowman.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
But he he was more interested in playing folk songs
and guitar and doing what made him unique. He's from
a little central Illinois town, and he would have never
been encouraged to be a folk musician that traveled the
world and did the unsafe thing and lived a life
(09:22):
like he did where he ended up famous. And now
we're still talking about his portrayal as a snowman.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, sixty years later. Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I was thinking about how wild it was that we're
still watching these films, and I wonder what makes it
so feel so comforting still. I don't know if it's
just the nostalgia of it or if it's something else,
you know.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think it's honestly that it's still a universal story
because every kid can remember that age of that junior high,
fourth fifth grade kind of time period, the puberty time
period where people are actually starting to develop differences as
opposed to all seeing each other as the same. And
(10:09):
it's through those differences that they start to separate and
find who they are going to be and actualize. And
it's people that are encouraged to develop themselves or just
have that stubbornness of will that they're just not going
to be contained and off they go and do things
their way.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
But those are the people who are interesting. Those are.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
We talking about all these other reindeer, like we're talking.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
About Rudolf, Nope, Donner and Blitzener's side characters that I
get mixed.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Up when I sing that song.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So there you go, right.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So typically in our episodes, we each cover what treatments
we think might be valuable for one of the characters
we see in the movies, and we each cover a
different angle between me doing individual and usually trauma focused,
Brittany doing a child focused section in Hannah talking about
typically a marriage and family. So normally we cover those,
but since this is a short episode here is normally
(11:09):
going quite a bit longer and going.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Deep depth, deep dive, if you will.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Today we're gonna cover something really short that we see
someone in Rudolph and Hermie who feels so bad about themselves.
They've been taught throughout their whole life that there's something
so wrong with them that if it gets exposed, they
deserve to run away, and even run away from safety
of friends. When you're lost in the wilderness, Rudolph leaves
(11:37):
his friends on the island of Misfit Toys because he's
afraid his nose will.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Get them hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, in real life, things don't wrap up in a
neat little bow that everybody says, I'm sorry, and then
everything's all good now because we were so scared you
ran away. No, there's gonna be some stuff that needs
to be work with. So on three, what is it
that they will all need?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
One? Two three therapy? Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
For a deeper dive than that, check out some of
our other episodes. We've covered one hundred and fifty movies
to this point, so there are lots of examples of this.
But the other section we always cover is final thoughts.
We always offer a brief rundown of what we thought
about the movie, what we like about it but we
didn't like. Hannah usually tells us she hates it or
never watches it again, or she loves it and watches
(12:30):
it a thousand times.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, on that note, Hannah, I got to watch this
with you, and you knew every single word to this movie,
so I'm assuming you will watch.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
It again and that you like it. That is correct.
I do enjoy these old classic films, and I do
watch them every year. I think mostly because it just
reminds me of a time when they felt really magical
and really comforting.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I love this movie or this special. I guess
playmation like stop motion, so like I love Coraline, I
love them before Christmas. I love that style of filmmaking.
So of course, maybe it springs from watching these movies
as a kid who knows, so I will definitely watch
this movie a bunch. I have little nieces and nephews now,
so it's always really fun watching these movies with them now.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And it does.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Even though it could be very easily be creepy these movies,
they do somehow stay in that tight pocket of actually
being endearing.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I don't know how, but agreed, I think they do.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I think these movies will continue to be watched by
kids because I think they managed to just hit on
a universality of childhood. I think everybody at some point
realizes there's something that makes them different and that isn't bad.
It's something that makes them special, makes them unique. And
(13:50):
when people grow up with adults who are able to
provide them encouragement to fit within the general rules but
be yourself, that they really shine. And I feel like
this movie continues to provide a little bit of light
in the darkness of life for kids who are struggling
with figuring out who they are and realizing maybe there
is a way for me to do things my way
(14:13):
and be.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Right all right.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So if you enjoy this, you can find us on
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on most social media forms platforms at popcorn Psychology. Merry Christmas,
Hi, So this is a little taste of popcorn psychology
for the holiday season. We're going to be doing a
mini episode today talking about rude Off, the Red Nose Reindeer,
the classic claimation from the sixties. We're going to be
talking about the theme of acceptance and the messages we
give to others about who they are. So obviously a
major theme of this Claimation Special is acceptance. Right away,
(00:25):
we are introduced to Rudolph, who is a tiny little
reindeer who is born with a big red nose, and
right away we see his dad really be hard on
him about it and really make him feel like something's
wrong with him. And I think that's something we see
across the whole special, all these characters that are being
told by other people that something is wrong with them.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Just because they're born a little different or something about
them makes them unique.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, because something I know just watching at this time
is that it is all small stuff, like you saying,
like they're all still pretty functional toys and elves and reindeer.
There's just one detail about them that's slightly different than
the norm, and they are made to believe that that
slight difference is so intolerable that they have to exile
(01:17):
themselves to.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
An island, which is pretty intense. Yeah, and mean spirited.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I feel like I didn't I don't remember how mean
this movie was, in especially Rudolph's dad to him about
the fact that he just happens to have a red,
blinking nose.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, And I feel like the dad doesn't even take
hesitate before he asked Rudolph to cover it up, like
there's no option of any other possibility of anything that
could happen besides asking him to cover it up, Like
he jumps to that automatically, which.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Keeps Rudolph living in a space of shame and worry
and anxiety that is impossible for him to function with.
And as soon as he lets go a little bit
and loosens up and plays like normal. After trying a
couple failed options to cover up his blinking red nose
and not be like all the other reindeer, it falls
(02:18):
off and the other adult, yes, the coach immediately just
casts him out.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Because when I think about this from what I watched
as a kid, I think maybe because of the song,
all the other reindeer let.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Him play these games.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I think I always assumed it was like more of
his peers. But yeah, it's all the grown ups that
are showing the children this is how you treat someone
who's different, that you have to cast them out, that
you have to point them out, that they don't belong here.
And I found that to be really interesting because the
only other reindeer that does show a lot of love
(03:00):
towards him and acceptance is another child, the girl reindeer,
the dough Clarius Clarius. Yeah, and that makes sense to
me as that she's the more accepting one. Result the
adults suck.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
The adults are all focused on conformity, yes, and uniformity
and teaching the kids that if you don't fit in
exactly and do everything perfect, and you won't be accepted.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And there definitely is a through line of anxiety in
this movie as well. I was asking HANNAHI we were
watching it, like, is Santa some sort of like godlike
tyrant amongst the reindeer and the elves and the toys,
because I think a lot of what we see with
Rudolph's dad and with the head elf the one is
really mean to Hermie, is that there seems to be
(03:58):
a lot of anxiety about conformity to please Santa. That
there's a lot of fear that we see, especially with
Rudolph's sad of like you, Oh my god, you can't
be different. If Santa sees you like that, or Santa
knows that you want to be a dentist, that something
really horrible is going to happen. So it is also
an interesting allegory, I guess, I don't know if that's
(04:20):
the right word for how a lot of times adults
will try to shove their kids into conformity and uniformity
out of anxiety about how the powers that be, whether
that's society or whatever their God, will punish them for
being different and.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
How they'll lose their place that they've worked for in
society that meant something to them. Rudolph's dad wants Rudolph
to be able to join Santa's slay.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Team, and because I think that's the only job there is,
it seems like fat from a scarcity mindset.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, And he wants him to be
and want what he wanted, and it ignores any opportunity
for Rudolph to shine in his own way.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And the same thing happens to Hermie that he has
to be an elf like all the other ELFs and
do all the other elf things. But he just wants
to be a dentist. Being a toymaker means nothing to him.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
He hates it. He's not good at it.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And people who aren't good at something naturally won't work
very hard to do something that they're not interested in
and don't feel confident in themselves about. You give people
things to do that they're good at, and they will shine.
If you try to make them work at something they're
never good at and aren't interested in, they'll only give
(05:51):
you see effort.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
That's a good point as well. And then people are like,
why aren't they working harder at this thing? And it's like,
because that's not their actual passion or natural ability. And
what I assume is the moral of this movie is
that if you allow people to actually get comfortable with
what makes them different, there can be a lot of
(06:16):
ingenuity and evolve being of things and like change that
is actually good. I mean, that's the point of this right,
that Rudolph's red nose is actually something that will help
them in a pinch versus hurt them. Correct And with
Hermie as well, he says he kind of shades them
and he's like the North Poldings identives because you all
(06:38):
your guys teeth is bad.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Bad because all they eat is sugar.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
That's true, also true, also true, many so many cavities.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean, think about what we learned about from Elf.
They have the four major food groups at the North
Pole candy, cane, candy, corn cotton candy like maple syrup.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
It's syrup, yeah, make syrup is the last one.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So their teeth are falling out. I think harmonies correct
that they need a dentist.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And as Rudolph proved, it tends to get dark at night,
and you can, you know, fly when it's cloudy and
still complete your mission. But if you have only people
with boring noses that don't light up, well, no missions
can be completed when you have a little a bit
of weather.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Because what you can take from this and nothing else
is that if we are only prioritizing conformity, you will
not evolve, You will stay stagnant, and it will actually
probably hold you back more than anything. And so allowing
these characters to actually be themselves allows for change to occur.
That does make people nervous sometimes because, as we know,
(07:45):
human beings when things are different, a lot of times
their first reaction can be fear and anxiety and stifling
the difference. And yeah, it was really cool to see
this example of actually your differences can be what makes
you shine.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
No pen intended for mister Rudel.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, And I think burl Ives being the snowman
is of particular interest to this story. And I wonder
beyond him singing lots of Christmas songs and getting famous
for it, burl Ives went to Eastern Illinois where I went.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Okay, Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Burl Ives definitely went to Eastern Illinois and he was
a football player and ended up he was going to
school for education, I believe, and he got himself kicked
out of Eastern Illinois.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Too cool pretty much.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, snowman, that's bananas.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Someone asked him if he wanted to build a snowman,
and he.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Said hell yeah, and they're like, get out of here.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's exactly a little girl. Do you want to build
a snowman? He said, no, I want to be a snowman.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
But he he was more interested in playing folk songs
and guitar and doing what made him unique. He's from
a little central Illinois town, and he would have never
been encouraged to be a folk musician that traveled the
world and did the unsafe thing and lived a life
(09:22):
like he did where he ended up famous. And now
we're still talking about his portrayal as a snowman.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, sixty years later. Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I was thinking about how wild it was that we're
still watching these films, and I wonder what makes it
so feel so comforting still. I don't know if it's
just the nostalgia of it or if it's something else,
you know.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think it's honestly that it's still a universal story
because every kid can remember that age of that junior high,
fourth fifth grade kind of time period, the puberty time
period where people are actually starting to develop differences as
opposed to all seeing each other as the same. And
(10:09):
it's through those differences that they start to separate and
find who they are going to be and actualize. And
it's people that are encouraged to develop themselves or just
have that stubbornness of will that they're just not going
to be contained and off they go and do things
their way.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
But those are the people who are interesting. Those are.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
We talking about all these other reindeer, like we're talking.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
About Rudolf, Nope, Donner and Blitzener's side characters that I
get mixed.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Up when I sing that song.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So there you go, right.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So typically in our episodes, we each cover what treatments
we think might be valuable for one of the characters
we see in the movies, and we each cover a
different angle between me doing individual and usually trauma focused,
Brittany doing a child focused section in Hannah talking about
typically a marriage and family. So normally we cover those,
but since this is a short episode here is normally
(11:09):
going quite a bit longer and going.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Deep depth, deep dive, if you will.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Today we're gonna cover something really short that we see
someone in Rudolph and Hermie who feels so bad about themselves.
They've been taught throughout their whole life that there's something
so wrong with them that if it gets exposed, they
deserve to run away, and even run away from safety
of friends. When you're lost in the wilderness, Rudolph leaves
(11:37):
his friends on the island of Misfit Toys because he's
afraid his nose will.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Get them hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, in real life, things don't wrap up in a
neat little bow that everybody says, I'm sorry, and then
everything's all good now because we were so scared you
ran away. No, there's gonna be some stuff that needs
to be work with. So on three, what is it
that they will all need?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
One? Two three therapy? Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
For a deeper dive than that, check out some of
our other episodes. We've covered one hundred and fifty movies
to this point, so there are lots of examples of this.
But the other section we always cover is final thoughts.
We always offer a brief rundown of what we thought
about the movie, what we like about it but we
didn't like. Hannah usually tells us she hates it or
never watches it again, or she loves it and watches
(12:30):
it a thousand times.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, on that note, Hannah, I got to watch this
with you, and you knew every single word to this movie,
so I'm assuming you will watch.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
It again and that you like it. That is correct.
I do enjoy these old classic films, and I do
watch them every year. I think mostly because it just
reminds me of a time when they felt really magical
and really comforting.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I love this movie or this special. I guess
playmation like stop motion, so like I love Coraline, I
love them before Christmas. I love that style of filmmaking.
So of course, maybe it springs from watching these movies
as a kid who knows, so I will definitely watch
this movie a bunch. I have little nieces and nephews now,
so it's always really fun watching these movies with them now.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And it does.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Even though it could be very easily be creepy these movies,
they do somehow stay in that tight pocket of actually
being endearing.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I don't know how, but agreed, I think they do.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I think these movies will continue to be watched by
kids because I think they managed to just hit on
a universality of childhood. I think everybody at some point
realizes there's something that makes them different and that isn't bad.
It's something that makes them special, makes them unique. And
(13:50):
when people grow up with adults who are able to
provide them encouragement to fit within the general rules but
be yourself, that they really shine. And I feel like
this movie continues to provide a little bit of light
in the darkness of life for kids who are struggling
with figuring out who they are and realizing maybe there
is a way for me to do things my way
(14:13):
and be.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Right all right.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So if you enjoy this, you can find us on
every platform. You listen to podcasts pretty much. You can
find us a Popcorn Psychology, and you can find us
on most social media forms platforms at popcorn Psychology. Merry Christmas,
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