May 19, 2025 • 28 mins
S11:EP11 Good News with Twanda Black ft Desmond Pringle
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to Good News with Twanda Black.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
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your brothers and sisters.
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and enjoy my next gift. All right, joining us right now.
He is a singer, songwriter, pastor, father, husband, care taker.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I mean you got both.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Those are enough enough?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Right, that's enough. Please welcome Desmond Fringo. Uh joining us today.
Thank you for joining us, Thanks.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
For having me, Thanks for having You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So let's jump right in now. I saw in some
of your information and you said you knew you were
going to pastor. You kind of knew that, But did
you know you were going to sing too?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well? Actually I always knew I was going to sing.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And not pastor.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Okay, I had a backwards.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yes, yes, I did you know.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I always knew this is always something was always something
that I was now that I was passionate about, but
not only passionate, even even though I did not put
it in these words because I didn't I didn't have
this burbiage to to craft it.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But it was just annoying, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
And it's so funny because my my second grade teacher,
who is now deceased, she spoke in my.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Ordination and.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
She read she recanted how that as a second grader,
She's like Danzel used to have church on and I
forgot about this and.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I've run it.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
And since I've been home now back home, you know,
taking care of taking care.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Of my mother, I've run into many.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
People from my elementary, middle school, high school, and they
all bring that up, like you always used to do this,
you know, you you know they bring and so the
teachers when I was a second grader, we would I
would have church during recess.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I mean, I had a choir, I had members.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Teachers who were supposed to be doing yard duty would
be at my church.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Oh my goodness, can you imagine now, are you a
p K?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well, I would. I didn't grow up a PK.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But by the time I got into high school.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
My my mom had been appointed the pastor of the church.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I said, that's really funny because before you ever
were a PK, you were doing preacher things.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So it was already in you.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Right, yes, yes, yes, and yes, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And then let me be clear, I was still a kid.
I was.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
I wasn't perfect or another. I'm not trying to paint
that picture. But as far as as far as the
seed and the unction and the awareness that was always there.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So your living room Bible study turned into pastoring the
wader garden fellowship. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Well, you know, the ministry gets its name from Isaiah
fifty eight and eleven, which says, the Lord will guide
you continually. He shall make fat your bones, and he
shall satisfy you soul in drought, and you shall be
like a watered garden and a spring.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Of waters whose waters fail not.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
And and that is what the Lord gave us in
terms of what to call the ministry. And I share
that because you have had people make snive remarks like
a watered garden, what can a name of a church
is that? Well, a watered garden is a prophetic prototype
and it's and it's what God is. It's the ideal
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that God has in mind for all of his people,
a garden that is not waiting or at the mercy
of some external force watering it, supplying it, causing it
to have what it needs, so that it cannot just supplyve,
but thrive, it march.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And so it is a it is a self.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean, it is a it is a a self
sufficiency that is contingent upon a God dependency. And I'm
telling you in times like these, when we see what
is going on not just in our country, but in.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
The world all over the world, that's all over.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
So our dependency has God to become refortified in God
for everything. And the same God who kept the lights
on for the children of Israel when Egypt was in
darkness is the same God that is going to take
us through all of this tariff and trade.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Bar All right, that's that's right.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I hear what you're saying, and I'm sure that's what
you're saying to your congregation as well. I know that
my pastor he speaks hope and encouragement into us all
the time.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes, that's what we need.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
And we and you know what and we have every
reason to be hopeful, we really do. And uh, and
and that we're not pretending like we don't hear the
news feeds and we're not hearing the sound bites.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And we are in perilous times.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
That's just part But he that Dwelleth in the secret
place of the most God abides under the shadow of
the Almighty, So we don't fail. The terror by night,
know the arrow that flies by day, And that's all
all of that bad news, all of that stuff that's.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And it's really occurring. It's not it's.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Right, right, but but this is I'm telling you, this
is where the rubber meets the road.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And either we believe God or we don't.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And it ain't no middle ground, no gray area. Yeah,
no brain yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So you sing and pastor and care for your congregation,
and then you're also a caregiver for your mother.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Talk about balance if there's I.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Always say there's no such thing as balance, But talk
about how you manage all of that.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Well, you know what it's you know, you do you
do what you have to do. Yeah, I mean, that's
that's really the end of the end all. I mean,
wasn't anything that I that I ever thought that I
would be doing because h and praise God, my mother is.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Not incapacitated, so I praise God for that.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
It's just that our involvement, my wife and it is uh,
it's it's just necessary.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's just where we are. So. Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
The word that became uh primary in our lives, if
you will, right at twenty twenty with the pandemic was pivot,
and we have been pivoting. That's I don't you know,
that's the that's the best way to say it. You know,
it's uh, this is old j T to the tenth polity.
(07:53):
But but but I want to be clear. I'm only
saying that for context and not complaint.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I'm not I'm not complaining.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I was talking with a with a friend, actually with
a childhood friend yesterday as a matter of fact, and
I explained it to her as like this, and it
was so with such a precious conversation because we had
not spoken in like over thirty years. You know, I'm
meeting a lot of people are releading, you know, a
lot of people that, like I said, like you know,
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I grew up with in you know, various parts of
points in life, and I was telling her the best
way to describe it is, you know, when you're on
a flight that is about to land, and you're about
to come into that landing, then the polt comes over
the intercom and says, for whatever reason, maybe another plane
is at the gate.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Yes, and so you can't land now.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
There's no trouble, there's no issues, there's no pending danger.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You just can't land yet.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
And they they you know, they may say there's going
to be another twenty minutes, and then they come on
a little lady said, well, folks, uh, you know, thank
you for your patience, blah blah blah, butlh, it looks
like it's going to be a little longer.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
There's no pending danger.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
We're not about to crash or run out of gas,
but we're it's it's a holding pattern where we're and
do we want to land, yes, do we want to deplane?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Yes? Right now we're in a holding pattern, and all.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Is well, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I so agree with you. Went through the same thing
with my father, and so I totally agree and I actually.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Moved in with him.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So, but you you haven't been on the scene in.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I haven't. I haven't had.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What said, did the Lord say it's time for you
to get back in there?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Well, you know, honestly, uh, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I'm not just an artist. I'm a samist.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
So I'm always writing, I'm always singing, and and even now,
to be honest with you, okay, I've we we've released
this song where where we are going to do our
due diligence to service it and whatnot. But I don't
know that I'm even that I'm like going to aggressively
(10:15):
pursue the circuit if you will, Well, I don't know
that that's I mean. But but I am going to
do my due diligence to to publish the gospel and
to publish it, you know, through song, and and I'll
do some things, uh like you know, like thank and
by the way, thank you so much for this interview.
(10:38):
But but I say that from a few perspectives. I'm
saying that from an independent artist perspective, from a side
artist perspective, from an industry executive perspective, because I've I've
had all of those experiences, and what I am guarding
myself against is getting caught up in the current of
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the culture because there are too many variables that you
don't have any control over. Absolutely derail your perspectives.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You derail your life if you let it.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah. Yeah, So you know.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
One thing I've I've never stopped singing, never stopped ministring, and.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You know, so it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So the song is still the blood. Is that your choir?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
No? No, no, no, it was. It was some session singers.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Okay, it's the hot song.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Is a hot song.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So what is your process, like your writing process?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You know, many times the song most of the time
I get whole songs.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
They just come to So this song, in particular, the
way that this song came to me was was the
chorus the presse phone and I said, honey, you know
what you think about this? I called my wife and
I was, you know, just kind of played. But the
precious founding from calprize mounting it still the Eventually, as
(12:19):
i've you know, play played with that, the rest of the.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Song came, you know versus Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Do you sing a lot in your ministry?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Do you sing? I do?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, it's nothing like a good, good singing preacher, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I do I love anybody? Do you sing as well?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
A little bit?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, that'd be.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
That'd mean you can sing when when people are answering,
oh look, or you can sing just.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Not my thing, but yeah, not my thing, but I'll
sing it from backup for you in a minute. But yeah,
so's the full project? Are you just releasing a song
at a time?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, well, listen, I have enough music to have a
few full projects.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
But but as things are the the way that things
are going now in the industry, you know, you just
do a single and to support it, and and you know.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
As as as as as the.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Days turn into weeks, and it is likely to become
a part of a body of work, you know, ten
or so.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
But as of this moment, it's a single.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Do you like the changes that have happened in the
industry since you were out?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Not at all. It's so different, is it is? It is?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
And and and you know in those days, those days
are gone, and and and and and and I have
to take also into perspective. You know, I grew up
I was a kid that read the album covers, read
the note so I you know, so I knew a
lot of I knew a lot of people that I
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didn't know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Right right?
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Yeah, So too fast forward from what music was the
way that things went in the seventies.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I was born the seventies, in the seventies.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
And eighties to now, and you know what, let me
let me qualify my response, because there are certain aspects
of it that I do appreciate, which is the fact
that you don't have to have a plant, a whole
entire manufacturing plant to manufacture your music that anybody anywhere,
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and me growing up in Charleston, South Carolina, which was
back then.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I mean now, you know, Condie.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Nast considers it like gun number one towards destination in
the world, which is which is amazing. Back then, when
I was a kid, I felt like us back I mean,
we got music like weeks and weeks and weeks after
New York. I don't even know it was that way,
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but by the time we got it, they were already
doing it, you know. So that's that that was the
environment that I grew up in, and so I'm grateful
that now you know, the literally the world is your state.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
You know, when we release.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Something, I interact with people in other countries without leaving home.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
That's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
So so those those aspects of how things have evolved is.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Is absolutely empowering. But I do I miss the.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Uh, the infrastructure and the sense of community that and
and also the sense of there was a sense of
what's the word of the for there was a sense
of normalness or normalcy whichever, you know. Now it's like
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every and anything goes just it's you know, it's like
so I don't yeah, I uh, there are there are
aspects of it that I do miss.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, you know, for lack of a better term, I
would say the holiness of the whole industry is changed.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
So that is out the window.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Now, that's and that's part it's like, yeah, you know
because even if people, even if people were not dotting
their eyes and crossing their teams, there was a regard.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
For the standard. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Now, now now there are those and this keeping it
real age that we live in. They are those who
would argue, well, that's hypocritical, or now how about that's respectful?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
How about that?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Because it doesn't matter who you are, how you speak,
if you go into a court of law, there is
a decorum, there is Verbian's vernacular.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
You will not you. You will not.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Now we have nothing to do with how you represent
yourself outside of these less ratchet and as ranchy and
as wretched as you want to be. But up in
here it's order, and if you don't do it, you
will be held in contempt a court, and that is
punishable by imprisonment because there is.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
A decorum right right it's the.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Only place where people feel like they have the right
to be themselves all over the place. If there is
not an established protocol, that's.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
A whole other thing right there.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And then I think that that that pastors are in
a situation where they're kind of trying to straddle a
little bit, saying, you know, we're gonna do this, but.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
You know, you know what you want, and I'm gonna
tell you this. This is my opinion on that. I'll
use this analogy. If the posted speed limit for a
zone is thirty five miles per hour, that is the
posted speed limit. Now, whether you abide by it or not,
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that's a whole other thing, but that is. But if
it's a thirty five mile per hour speed zone, that's
the speed limit. It doesn't matter that your odometer can
go up to one twenty fifty one sixty. It doesn't
matter in this zone. This is the posted speed limit.
So I'm using the posted speed limit as a the
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word of God. We didn't write it, right, we didn't,
So you know, I see, And I won't call names.
I don't have to call names. Let me say this.
I don't care how popular you are. I don't care
how many followers, subscribers, fans you have. None of us
have literary license to change the word. None of us do,
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and to and to say what the words. And it's
just like the police officer, the highway patrolman, when he
pulls you over and cite cites you for going over
the speed limit. He's just the law enforcer.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
He didn't determine that.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
That was the limit for that particular zone, and so
we have to enforce the law.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Period. I mean, you don't think police officers speed.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
They do, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
The issue is not in the conversation or the point
is not whether they speed or not doesn't matter. The
point is this is the posted speed limit, and this
is the protocol, This is the standard, this is what required.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
The ten commandments are still intact.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And the beautiful thing is this that God is so
rich in compassion and mercy, that when we do miss
it and when we do mess up, he.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Is faithful and just to forgive us.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
But but we are in a day and time where
people want to take it a step further and say,
how about less?
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Just change the rules?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Go see right, see, I know the word says this,
but let me just add this little word over here,
you know, in the world.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And listen at Then the craziness that is that that
takes it to a whole other level, is that you
have a whole congregation of people and not babes in Christ,
not baring people off the street, people who have who
know the word, who have been talking with that are
in agreement with this foolery.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's a lot, it's a lot going. And you know,
social media, of course has brought everything to light.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So is that real?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And everybody has an opinion, you know, And I heard
someone say this, and I so today I'm gonna give
somebody else credit for it.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
The next time I use it, I'm just gonna say
this if it's mine. You know.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Opinions are like armpits. Everybody has some and if you're not,
and they stink.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Period. God God is.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Not asking for and what I'm saying to you today,
which is what I'm saying to Desmond to me, because
I have a flesh too, and my flesh does not
want to submit. My flesh does not want to obey.
I have to bring in under subjection. God is not
interested in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That's what's my obedience.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So talk about your church. Tell us a little bit
about your church and your ministry.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Well, since we have been in this pandemic pivot, if
you will, we do everything virtually because and so that's
that's where we are in this season, in this space,
and we have we do a thing an in person
gathering called third Sundays at three here while we're here
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on the ground here. But I had, and I paused
because I'm thinking that it might be a little premature.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
To say this. But you you, I'll throw coss me
to the wind and share it. You know, I had.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I truly believe in the profit prophetic, and I had
a profit share with me a few months ago. Now,
he and he said it this way, he said, there's a.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Brick and mortar are out of order.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I'm like, oh, and so That was his way of
introducing this point to me that uh too, and and
and and it was applicable again to specific to me us,
my wife and I our our current situation, which is
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this that don't even entertain the thought that not being
able to physically assemble and gather converge, UH just don't
see that as an impediment to ministry. But but look
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like like right now, I don't even know what city
you're in, and we're having a full fledged conversation minus
the Internet that's you know, acting out here and there,
and but there is no distance in the realm of
the spirit and all of this technology that is available
to us, that is at our fingertips.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
This is what we have to uh.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
We we should be uh familiarizing ourselves with it. Remember
years ago when one of the church mothers uh said
something in the church one Sunday, And of course I
was very respectful and I addressed it in a very
respectful and mannerable way. But she was rebuking to young
people because they did not have physical bibles. They did
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not have you know, book bounded bibles. Well, but they
were all they pull it up on. So it's the
city word. So I'm like, but, mother, do you realize
that none of the people in the in the Bible
had bibles. It was that when they gathered for temple,
you know, it was that the priest read from the
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scroll nobody had. There was no printing press, so nobody
in the audience was turned into So what happens is,
you know, we get so familiar and dialed into our
reality and so and and and it prevents us from
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being candidates of change. And so uh, I'm grateful for
this season and and and and and and sin se twanda.
This is the bottom line when I tell you the
Pringles are pivoting and and the holding pattern. I feel
like transition is our word. But it's not a bad thing.
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It is what it is to me.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
It can be very exciting as well.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yes, it can be very exciting.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
So tell everybody how to get the new song, how
to learn more about you and your ministry and all
that good stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
So the new song is on all digital platforms. Uh, iTunes, No,
I'm sorry, not iTunes, iTunes, change, Apple Music, so, Apple Music, Spotify,
all of the streaming platforms. If you just plug it in.
Desmond Pringle, my name and the titles still the blood.
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And actually, if you type in my name, everything that
is available you know, will come up. But I and
then my socials are Desert Pringle Media, and I'm I'm
emphasizing Desmon Pringle Media. You can find me by way
of Desmin Pringle. But twan to see when I first
started out, I was the only Desmon Pringle that I
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knew you need social media like.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Pringles.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Listen if this one brother, he's a well known uh baker.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
So because I started getting inboxes, Hey man, how do
you do it? How you doing gospel?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
And make these cakes? Can you make me a cake?
I'm like, I don't make cakes, Yes, you make cakes.
I saw your profile and the whole other Desert Pringle
and this is the irony.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
He lives like about an hour and a half away.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Prevent But but we we we've we've spoken because I
can't remember.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I reached out to him and he reached out to me.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
But we were triven on the fact that people were
looking were reaching out to each of us. So Desman
Pringle Media, debout it Media, that's our Facebook, Instagram and
I'll in my uh you can email me at info
at Desmond Pringlemedia dot org.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
All right, thank you for taking time out with me, Desmond.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
We're looking forward to the song.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's a beautiful piece and just thank you for joining us.
We appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
And I promise you this is not pro fund to me.
I want to thank you for having me. This is
very very very very very important, very very necessary, and
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
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He is a singer, songwriter, pastor, father, husband, care taker.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I mean you got both.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Those are enough enough?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Right, that's enough. Please welcome Desmond Fringo. Uh joining us today.
Thank you for joining us, Thanks.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
For having me, Thanks for having You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So let's jump right in now. I saw in some
of your information and you said you knew you were
going to pastor. You kind of knew that, But did
you know you were going to sing too?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well? Actually I always knew I was going to sing.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And not pastor.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Okay, I had a backwards.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yes, yes, I did you know.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I always knew this is always something was always something
that I was now that I was passionate about, but
not only passionate, even even though I did not put
it in these words because I didn't I didn't have
this burbiage to to craft it.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But it was just annoying, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
And it's so funny because my my second grade teacher,
who is now deceased, she spoke in my.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Ordination and.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
She read she recanted how that as a second grader,
She's like Danzel used to have church on and I
forgot about this and.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I've run it.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
And since I've been home now back home, you know,
taking care of taking care.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Of my mother, I've run into many.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
People from my elementary, middle school, high school, and they
all bring that up, like you always used to do this,
you know, you you know they bring and so the
teachers when I was a second grader, we would I
would have church during recess.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I mean, I had a choir, I had members.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Teachers who were supposed to be doing yard duty would
be at my church.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Oh my goodness, can you imagine now, are you a
p K?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Well, I would. I didn't grow up a PK.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But by the time I got into high school.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
My my mom had been appointed the pastor of the church.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I said, that's really funny because before you ever
were a PK, you were doing preacher things.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So it was already in you.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Right, yes, yes, yes, and yes, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And then let me be clear, I was still a kid.
I was.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
I wasn't perfect or another. I'm not trying to paint
that picture. But as far as as far as the
seed and the unction and the awareness that was always there.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So your living room Bible study turned into pastoring the
wader garden fellowship. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Well, you know, the ministry gets its name from Isaiah
fifty eight and eleven, which says, the Lord will guide
you continually. He shall make fat your bones, and he
shall satisfy you soul in drought, and you shall be
like a watered garden and a spring.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Of waters whose waters fail not.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
And and that is what the Lord gave us in
terms of what to call the ministry. And I share
that because you have had people make snive remarks like
a watered garden, what can a name of a church
is that? Well, a watered garden is a prophetic prototype
and it's and it's what God is. It's the ideal
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that God has in mind for all of his people,
a garden that is not waiting or at the mercy
of some external force watering it, supplying it, causing it
to have what it needs, so that it cannot just supplyve,
but thrive, it march.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And so it is a it is a self.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean, it is a it is a a self
sufficiency that is contingent upon a God dependency. And I'm
telling you in times like these, when we see what
is going on not just in our country, but in.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
The world all over the world, that's all over.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
So our dependency has God to become refortified in God
for everything. And the same God who kept the lights
on for the children of Israel when Egypt was in
darkness is the same God that is going to take
us through all of this tariff and trade.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Bar All right, that's that's right.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I hear what you're saying, and I'm sure that's what
you're saying to your congregation as well. I know that
my pastor he speaks hope and encouragement into us all
the time.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes, that's what we need.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
And we and you know what and we have every
reason to be hopeful, we really do. And uh, and
and that we're not pretending like we don't hear the
news feeds and we're not hearing the sound bites.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And we are in perilous times.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
That's just part But he that Dwelleth in the secret
place of the most God abides under the shadow of
the Almighty, So we don't fail. The terror by night,
know the arrow that flies by day, And that's all
all of that bad news, all of that stuff that's.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And it's really occurring. It's not it's.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Right, right, but but this is I'm telling you, this
is where the rubber meets the road.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And either we believe God or we don't.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And it ain't no middle ground, no gray area. Yeah,
no brain yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So you sing and pastor and care for your congregation,
and then you're also a caregiver for your mother.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Talk about balance if there's I.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Always say there's no such thing as balance, But talk
about how you manage all of that.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Well, you know what it's you know, you do you
do what you have to do. Yeah, I mean, that's
that's really the end of the end all. I mean,
wasn't anything that I that I ever thought that I
would be doing because h and praise God, my mother is.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Not incapacitated, so I praise God for that.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
It's just that our involvement, my wife and it is uh,
it's it's just necessary.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's just where we are. So. Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
The word that became uh primary in our lives, if
you will, right at twenty twenty with the pandemic was pivot,
and we have been pivoting. That's I don't you know,
that's the that's the best way to say it. You know,
it's uh, this is old j T to the tenth polity.
(07:53):
But but but I want to be clear. I'm only
saying that for context and not complaint.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I'm not I'm not complaining.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I was talking with a with a friend, actually with
a childhood friend yesterday as a matter of fact, and
I explained it to her as like this, and it
was so with such a precious conversation because we had
not spoken in like over thirty years. You know, I'm
meeting a lot of people are releading, you know, a
lot of people that, like I said, like you know,
(08:23):
I grew up with in you know, various parts of
points in life, and I was telling her the best
way to describe it is, you know, when you're on
a flight that is about to land, and you're about
to come into that landing, then the polt comes over
the intercom and says, for whatever reason, maybe another plane
is at the gate.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Yes, and so you can't land now.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
There's no trouble, there's no issues, there's no pending danger.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You just can't land yet.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
And they they you know, they may say there's going
to be another twenty minutes, and then they come on
a little lady said, well, folks, uh, you know, thank
you for your patience, blah blah blah, butlh, it looks
like it's going to be a little longer.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
There's no pending danger.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
We're not about to crash or run out of gas,
but we're it's it's a holding pattern where we're and
do we want to land, yes, do we want to deplane?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Yes? Right now we're in a holding pattern, and all.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Is well, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I so agree with you. Went through the same thing
with my father, and so I totally agree and I actually.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Moved in with him.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So, but you you haven't been on the scene in.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I haven't. I haven't had.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What said, did the Lord say it's time for you
to get back in there?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Well, you know, honestly, uh, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I'm not just an artist. I'm a samist.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
So I'm always writing, I'm always singing, and and even now,
to be honest with you, okay, I've we we've released
this song where where we are going to do our
due diligence to service it and whatnot. But I don't
know that I'm even that I'm like going to aggressively
(10:15):
pursue the circuit if you will, Well, I don't know
that that's I mean. But but I am going to
do my due diligence to to publish the gospel and
to publish it, you know, through song, and and I'll
do some things, uh like you know, like thank and
by the way, thank you so much for this interview.
(10:38):
But but I say that from a few perspectives. I'm
saying that from an independent artist perspective, from a side
artist perspective, from an industry executive perspective, because I've I've
had all of those experiences, and what I am guarding
myself against is getting caught up in the current of
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the culture because there are too many variables that you
don't have any control over. Absolutely derail your perspectives.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You derail your life if you let it.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah. Yeah, So you know.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
One thing I've I've never stopped singing, never stopped ministring, and.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You know, so it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So the song is still the blood. Is that your choir?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
No? No, no, no, it was. It was some session singers.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Okay, it's the hot song.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Is a hot song.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So what is your process, like your writing process?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
You know, many times the song most of the time
I get whole songs.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
They just come to So this song, in particular, the
way that this song came to me was was the
chorus the presse phone and I said, honey, you know
what you think about this? I called my wife and
I was, you know, just kind of played. But the
precious founding from calprize mounting it still the Eventually, as
(12:19):
i've you know, play played with that, the rest of the.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Song came, you know versus Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Do you sing a lot in your ministry?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Do you sing? I do?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, it's nothing like a good, good singing preacher, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I do I love anybody? Do you sing as well?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
A little bit?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, that'd be.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
That'd mean you can sing when when people are answering,
oh look, or you can sing just.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Not my thing, but yeah, not my thing, but I'll
sing it from backup for you in a minute. But yeah,
so's the full project? Are you just releasing a song
at a time?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, well, listen, I have enough music to have a
few full projects.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
But but as things are the the way that things
are going now in the industry, you know, you just
do a single and to support it, and and you know.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
As as as as as the.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Days turn into weeks, and it is likely to become
a part of a body of work, you know, ten
or so.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
But as of this moment, it's a single.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Do you like the changes that have happened in the
industry since you were out?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Not at all. It's so different, is it is? It is?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
And and and you know in those days, those days
are gone, and and and and and and I have
to take also into perspective. You know, I grew up
I was a kid that read the album covers, read
the note so I you know, so I knew a
lot of I knew a lot of people that I
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didn't know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Right right?
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Yeah, So too fast forward from what music was the
way that things went in the seventies.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I was born the seventies, in the seventies.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
And eighties to now, and you know what, let me
let me qualify my response, because there are certain aspects
of it that I do appreciate, which is the fact
that you don't have to have a plant, a whole
entire manufacturing plant to manufacture your music that anybody anywhere,
(14:38):
and me growing up in Charleston, South Carolina, which was
back then.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I mean now, you know, Condie.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Nast considers it like gun number one towards destination in
the world, which is which is amazing. Back then, when
I was a kid, I felt like us back I mean,
we got music like weeks and weeks and weeks after
New York. I don't even know it was that way,
(15:05):
but by the time we got it, they were already
doing it, you know. So that's that that was the
environment that I grew up in, and so I'm grateful
that now you know, the literally the world is your state.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
You know, when we release.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Something, I interact with people in other countries without leaving home.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
That's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
So so those those aspects of how things have evolved is.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Is absolutely empowering. But I do I miss the.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Uh, the infrastructure and the sense of community that and
and also the sense of there was a sense of
what's the word of the for there was a sense
of normalness or normalcy whichever, you know. Now it's like
(16:12):
every and anything goes just it's you know, it's like
so I don't yeah, I uh, there are there are
aspects of it that I do miss.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, you know, for lack of a better term, I
would say the holiness of the whole industry is changed.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
So that is out the window.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Now, that's and that's part it's like, yeah, you know
because even if people, even if people were not dotting
their eyes and crossing their teams, there was a regard.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
For the standard. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Now, now now there are those and this keeping it
real age that we live in. They are those who
would argue, well, that's hypocritical, or now how about that's respectful?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
How about that?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Because it doesn't matter who you are, how you speak,
if you go into a court of law, there is
a decorum, there is Verbian's vernacular.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
You will not you. You will not.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Now we have nothing to do with how you represent
yourself outside of these less ratchet and as ranchy and
as wretched as you want to be. But up in
here it's order, and if you don't do it, you
will be held in contempt a court, and that is
punishable by imprisonment because there is.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
A decorum right right it's the.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Only place where people feel like they have the right
to be themselves all over the place. If there is
not an established protocol, that's.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
A whole other thing right there.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And then I think that that that pastors are in
a situation where they're kind of trying to straddle a
little bit, saying, you know, we're gonna do this, but.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
You know, you know what you want, and I'm gonna
tell you this. This is my opinion on that. I'll
use this analogy. If the posted speed limit for a
zone is thirty five miles per hour, that is the
posted speed limit. Now, whether you abide by it or not,
(18:34):
that's a whole other thing, but that is. But if
it's a thirty five mile per hour speed zone, that's
the speed limit. It doesn't matter that your odometer can
go up to one twenty fifty one sixty. It doesn't
matter in this zone. This is the posted speed limit.
So I'm using the posted speed limit as a the
(18:57):
word of God. We didn't write it, right, we didn't,
So you know, I see, And I won't call names.
I don't have to call names. Let me say this.
I don't care how popular you are. I don't care
how many followers, subscribers, fans you have. None of us
have literary license to change the word. None of us do,
(19:18):
and to and to say what the words. And it's
just like the police officer, the highway patrolman, when he
pulls you over and cite cites you for going over
the speed limit. He's just the law enforcer.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
He didn't determine that.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
That was the limit for that particular zone, and so
we have to enforce the law.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Period. I mean, you don't think police officers speed.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
They do, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
The issue is not in the conversation or the point
is not whether they speed or not doesn't matter. The
point is this is the posted speed limit, and this
is the protocol, This is the standard, this is what required.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
The ten commandments are still intact.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And the beautiful thing is this that God is so
rich in compassion and mercy, that when we do miss
it and when we do mess up, he.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Is faithful and just to forgive us.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
But but we are in a day and time where
people want to take it a step further and say,
how about less?
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Just change the rules?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Go see right, see, I know the word says this,
but let me just add this little word over here,
you know, in the world.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And listen at Then the craziness that is that that
takes it to a whole other level, is that you
have a whole congregation of people and not babes in Christ,
not baring people off the street, people who have who
know the word, who have been talking with that are
in agreement with this foolery.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's a lot, it's a lot going. And you know,
social media, of course has brought everything to light.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So is that real?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And everybody has an opinion, you know, And I heard
someone say this, and I so today I'm gonna give
somebody else credit for it.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
The next time I use it, I'm just gonna say
this if it's mine. You know.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Opinions are like armpits. Everybody has some and if you're not,
and they stink.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Period. God God is.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Not asking for and what I'm saying to you today,
which is what I'm saying to Desmond to me, because
I have a flesh too, and my flesh does not
want to submit. My flesh does not want to obey.
I have to bring in under subjection. God is not
interested in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That's what's my obedience.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So talk about your church. Tell us a little bit
about your church and your ministry.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Well, since we have been in this pandemic pivot, if
you will, we do everything virtually because and so that's
that's where we are in this season, in this space,
and we have we do a thing an in person
gathering called third Sundays at three here while we're here
(22:21):
on the ground here. But I had, and I paused
because I'm thinking that it might be a little premature.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
To say this. But you you, I'll throw coss me
to the wind and share it. You know, I had.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I truly believe in the profit prophetic, and I had
a profit share with me a few months ago. Now,
he and he said it this way, he said, there's a.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Brick and mortar are out of order.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I'm like, oh, and so That was his way of
introducing this point to me that uh too, and and
and and it was applicable again to specific to me us,
my wife and I our our current situation, which is
(23:11):
this that don't even entertain the thought that not being
able to physically assemble and gather converge, UH just don't
see that as an impediment to ministry. But but look
(23:32):
like like right now, I don't even know what city
you're in, and we're having a full fledged conversation minus
the Internet that's you know, acting out here and there,
and but there is no distance in the realm of
the spirit and all of this technology that is available
to us, that is at our fingertips.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
This is what we have to uh.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
We we should be uh familiarizing ourselves with it. Remember
years ago when one of the church mothers uh said
something in the church one Sunday, And of course I
was very respectful and I addressed it in a very
respectful and mannerable way. But she was rebuking to young
people because they did not have physical bibles. They did
(24:17):
not have you know, book bounded bibles. Well, but they
were all they pull it up on. So it's the
city word. So I'm like, but, mother, do you realize
that none of the people in the in the Bible
had bibles. It was that when they gathered for temple,
you know, it was that the priest read from the
(24:39):
scroll nobody had. There was no printing press, so nobody
in the audience was turned into So what happens is,
you know, we get so familiar and dialed into our
reality and so and and and it prevents us from
(24:59):
being candidates of change. And so uh, I'm grateful for
this season and and and and and and sin se twanda.
This is the bottom line when I tell you the
Pringles are pivoting and and the holding pattern. I feel
like transition is our word. But it's not a bad thing.
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It is what it is to me.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
It can be very exciting as well.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yes, it can be very exciting.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
So tell everybody how to get the new song, how
to learn more about you and your ministry and all
that good stuff.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
So the new song is on all digital platforms. Uh, iTunes, No,
I'm sorry, not iTunes, iTunes, change, Apple Music, so, Apple Music, Spotify,
all of the streaming platforms. If you just plug it in.
Desmond Pringle, my name and the titles still the blood.
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And actually, if you type in my name, everything that
is available you know, will come up. But I and
then my socials are Desert Pringle Media, and I'm I'm
emphasizing Desmon Pringle Media. You can find me by way
of Desmin Pringle. But twan to see when I first
started out, I was the only Desmon Pringle that I
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knew you need social media like.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Pringles.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Listen if this one brother, he's a well known uh baker.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
So because I started getting inboxes, Hey man, how do
you do it? How you doing gospel?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
And make these cakes? Can you make me a cake?
I'm like, I don't make cakes, Yes, you make cakes.
I saw your profile and the whole other Desert Pringle
and this is the irony.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
He lives like about an hour and a half away.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Prevent But but we we we've we've spoken because I
can't remember.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I reached out to him and he reached out to me.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
But we were triven on the fact that people were
looking were reaching out to each of us. So Desman
Pringle Media, debout it Media, that's our Facebook, Instagram and
I'll in my uh you can email me at info
at Desmond Pringlemedia dot org.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
All right, thank you for taking time out with me, Desmond.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
We're looking forward to the song.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's a beautiful piece and just thank you for joining us.
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