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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Thank you for joining me today on Good News with
Twinda Black. We're we are discovering some of the most
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to Good News with Twanda Black.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I am your host, and we talk with folks from
all walks of life about their good news because ultimately,
if our sisters and brothers are doing well, we should celebrate.
Sit back, relax, and enjoy this next guest. He is
the great great grandson of former slaves from the brutal
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cotton fields of the Belvedere Plantation in.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Utah, South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
He's also a plaintiff of the Texaco racial discrimination lawsuit.
He's a previous director of Homeland Security and Emergency Services.
He's an author and publisher, and he was a writing
candidate in twenty twenty for the President of the United States.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Now we're here to.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Talk about his book because this book kind of encompasses
all of that, and the name of the book is
They Chose Barabas and all Hell Broke Loose.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Please welcome doctor Peter W. Cherrell. How are you today, sir?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I am fine, thank you. I couldn't have did a
better introduction myself.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So when I got the book, I just thought, okay,
he's going to be talking about you know, free Barabas
and all that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And I started reading.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I was like, wow, this is a political look at
what's been happening, historic, what's been happening in the Obama campaign.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It really it encompasses so much.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So talk about why you decided to write this book
and when did you write it?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Okay, I decided to write the book. Well, I'll just
give a little backstory. I was at the point where
I was like, I'm not writing any more stories until
you read The Last Woman, okay. And so that's where
I was as far as writing. But it seems like
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every four to five years, God compels me to write again.
And so the day after the twenty twenty four election,
when I got the phone call from my daughter she
will be twenty nine in.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
June, she was enraged.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, she was on fire, and she was like what
does this actually mean? How do you know what did
this happen?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Believe it?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And I was like, wow, you know I felt it,
but here coming from my.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Daughter yeah, our future.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I took that deep to herr and I was like, yo,
I'm getting ready to write another book. Wow, And that's
when I decided to write this. So I began, uh exploring,
you know, my process that I go through in writing.
Basically right after the election, I was I was shooting
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to have this earlier, but I kind of delegated some
of the responsibilities as a publisher out and you know,
the younger generation, they understand this social media and all
these different platforms, just like, oh, I could do the audio,
I could do I could do this. I'm put it
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on that and I was like, you know what, here's
my baby, you take it. So it took a little
bit of time, but I've been very pleased with the outcome,
even though it's a little bit I hate.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
To chuckle without chill because I said, oh, he didn't
even make it through the first hundred days.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So I know it's a part too that this book
right here.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You know, when I when I was composing this, I
have at least forty four chapters, I was like, oh man,
I was just going I was like, you know, I'm
not going to sit here and write old forty four chapters.
But you're probably right, and if you need the subtitle
and all hell.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Broke loose, Yes, that's the truth. My goodness. You see,
yeah first hand what this meant. And I decided.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
To explore, how could this country after what we went
through in twenty sixteen exactly and all the things we
went through in twenty twenty, Look, did not only re
elect this man.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
But after all the charges.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know, say, what had happened was so okay? Because
I got questions for you. So, yes, you were a
die hard Democrat.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I was hard Democrat.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Diehard you left the Democratic Party and went to the
Republican Party. So tell us talk about that for a moment.
What happened in that process?
Speaker 5 (05:39):
For you?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I read about it, but tell the audience.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Okay, yes, oh absolutely.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
It really started after I the total exploitation of our
infamous back leaders accident.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
I was shocked.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
And when I was in the middle of the Texico
recommenization lawsuit, then came Varon Patrick as this hero for
the diversity champion Texico, and he wasted a diversity task
for they took thirty five million dollars off the top
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of the loss and gave it to that for us,
and then one year after that he became Texas COO
corporate counsel and charge of all the lawyers for the
entire corporation. And I was like, I can't believe that
there wasn't someone else that he could have recommended or
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could have found to become a counsel for the com.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Such a conflict. Yeah, such a conflict. But remind people
about the suit, because.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I can tell you right now from that day and
I interviewed somebody who wrote a book about it, and
I can't remember the lady.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Who, Mary Robbins.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I interviewed her.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And from that day on, I have never stopped at
a Texaco station. I remember, that's my own personal protest.
But talk about that because a lot of folks don't
know about it, or they forgot about it.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh yeah, they definitely forgot about it. I actually that
actually catapulted. I never intended to be an author. I
didn't know the first thing about writing a book.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I used to walk.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Around Texaco and say, we one damn, I write a
book about this lawsuit. But they're not going to be
what people think. And then one day I just got
tired of people after me.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Did we win? And I said, you know, I'm gonna
write a book about it.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, And I sat down and began to try to
figure out how to write a book. And then because
of the content of the book, I had to figure
out how to publish it myself without because self publishing
companies wouldn't even publish it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
It was. It was, it was.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It was really serious, and it was really deep, and
it was very emotionally charged, and uh, you know, it's
It's interesting because everything that I write is kind of
like in that historic theologic component, because when you when
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you're fighting a battle like against Texaco, a racial discrimination battle,
it's like David fighting Goliath. I call that my David
versus Goliath's story, you know. And you know I have
my little rock, put it in my slingshot, and I
took the head off, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Uh. The bigger thing was.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
The disc without black leaders, and as I, you know,
began to reflect on it. And I won't say that
that compelled me to leave the party. The real, honest
truth is is that as I, you know, something happens
when you turn fifty. You realize that you don't have
a whole bunch of time.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
You're on the other side of the clock.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I don't care what you say, but anyway, I decided
to get my spiritual life in order. And so as
I was looking at things and as I was growing spiritually,
I actually got a revelation, or as I come to know,
a revelation knowledge and it challenged me. And I ran
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for mayor in my city as many know, as money
earning mount verning and I looked around and I was like, man,
all I see is crime, murder, drugs. And one day
the bishop said, how can you call yourself a child
of the Most High?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And you sit and you watch.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Convicted me to my core, and I said, you know what,
it's time to take a stance.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And I mean I was.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I was watching Krefflow because I was watching kreflow a
lot and Kreflow Dollar for those who might not know.
But anyway, very very inspirational on certain certain aspects of
the past. Yes dollar, Oh yeah, you know. I'm in
the at l And I heard God tell me after
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I ran for mayor and didn't win, he was like,
you really need to change parties. And I was like,
I was like, I'll never I'll never be a trader.
I'll never sell out. My people, and then I said
I'm a Democrat till I die.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
And then I said, whoa time out? Time out? Time out?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
And this is in twenty eleven, so there's a way
before all this Trump stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I was.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I was very disappointed in Obama for for many reasons.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
But I was.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Pleased that the country elected a African American as president.
But you know, they put the safeguards in to make
sure that the House and the Senate stayed the same Republican.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
So you know, it's like, yeah, you got a black president,
but you guess.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
What a fight all the way to the end, all the.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Way to the ends.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Did a little bit more and so I you know,
as I looked around and you looked around, most of
the democratic cities, most of them are challenge and education.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Is a big thing for me. School systems are failing.
Uh and basically with the school.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
System feeling, that's just say prison high school, the prison pipeline.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
And you know, I'm very big on literacy.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
The status that I ran across while we was doing
our literacy campaign, it's unbelievable where this country is and
where we are as a people in education. It's just
it's it's almost the story. Yeah, it's it's scary, and
so I stepped out on faith and I'm going to
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tell you. Being from around the way, I was like this,
this is probably one of the most dangerous things that
I could ever think of doing. And it was, like
I wrote in my second book, the first book about
the text cr racial discrimination was called Black to the Future.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
From the Plantation to the Corporation.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And then my next book that I was compelled to
write about four years later was called Exodus, where I
became a Republican and I was sharing what happened to
me spiritually that made me.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Make this change.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And I had to stop when I said I'm a
Democrat until I die.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I was like, oh, doctor, because look you might have
been taking yourself out with them words.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, you know, God, you're not gonna listen to me,
young man? Are you gonna listen to I was in
tune enough to know that God was talking to.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Me, and I asked a question in my Exodus, and
I said.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
What does a man do when God tells him to
do something that goes against everything that he's ever believed?
And it was like, Uh, you got a choice, you
And I call this my Jonah going to Ninevah.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Story for those who go look it up. You need
to look it up, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
But anyway, I get a shove her. God told Jonah
to go to Ninevah. God speaks to people, So don't
think I was bugging when I say God was speaking
to me. So God told Jonah to go to Ninevah.
God said, I mean. Jonah said, I don't any of
us wild and Sodom and Gomorrah.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And Yodah was like, oh direction, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Joanna was like yo oh bro, He's like, nah, man,
I am not going to Ninevah. And you'll learning something.
When God tell you to do something, you could do
it the easy way or you can do it the
hard way. I said, at the end of the day,
you're going to Ninevah. You will find yourself in Ninevah
and you'll find yourself doing what God told you to do.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
And then the next thing God told me to do
it was the room for president.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And I said, man, I said, how about Congress? He
said no, I told you President. And I was like,
you have got to be kidding me. I was like, man,
I'm not even qualified.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Now. I graduated in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Thirty five years later, I find himself in a graduate
program and a master's program for public administration. I was like,
public administration. I'm like, I'm a business major. I know
business administration, but I have no idea what public administration
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really was all about. In the first day of class,
I sat there and that was about in twenty twelve,
because I graduated in twenty fifteen, if I'm not mistaken,
but it was thirty five years after I graduate undergrad
thirty five years and the first day of class and
I had a black professor, young black energetic intelligence professor.
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He was great, doctor Oliver, incredible.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I mean sharp. Oh man. It was like, wow, this
is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And the first day of class was sitting there and
he put a pivot of the entire government body budget
mandatory versus discretionary spending. I was like, man, that is
just what I needed to understand what you need to
do when you run.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I was like.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
And I was, I'm an economics major in undergrad and
I was like, oh man, I just looked up and
I just said.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Wow, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
And I knew I was doing what God had called
me to do. And so I went ahead and I
pursued it. And the irony of it is that although
I did not win, all of a sudden I see
came these connections with people from the motherland who.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Were excited, ecstatic. I was like, but you can't vote
for me.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
And I was like, man, there's a bishop in Sirira Leon,
Serie Leone. He has a school and he has an orphanage.
The kids either audio to me with the kids praying
for me to be successful.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
And when I was like, you know what, this is beautiful,
and I begin meeting people all over the continent.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
And now, I mean, let's face it, I ain't know
how any of the countries. I know almost all the countries,
and I know many leaders, and now I'm working on
a humanitarian projects for the Congo, for Guinea, for ci
ell Leon. It's like I know people of the continents now,
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all because I stepped out and did what God told
me to do, no matter how controversial and crazy people
thought I was.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And but God was putting you in position yeah where
you are today.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Look, look, we could talk about that all day.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yes, yes, yes, I need to touch on a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
About this book, yes, definitely. Okay, So you talked about kamlud.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yes, we ain't gonna talk about that, because it's one
thing I want to ask you, because we already been
talking too long.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
You talked about why.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You became a Republican. You we talked about Malcolm versus.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Martin, really good chapter.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Here's the chapter that I want to talk about. And
I think Black America wants to know. Why did the
Latino people vote for Trump? When he called them dogs
and pigs and rapists and murder.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
He said everything he wanted.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
He told him how I feel about you, but yet
they still went and voted for him.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Talk about that. I thought that was such a yes, yes,
we don't understand what happened. How could you hear that?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And I was talking to a Latina woman and she said, yeah, oh,
but he wasn't talking about us.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I was like, well, wait, how was he not talking
about you?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, you know, I guess because they think because they
have arrived and got a little bit of money or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I don't know. This lady was kind of well off
because her husband had a nice w.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah you know, and she said he wasn't talking about her.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yet when she came back to my office, her husband
was being deported and she was in.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Tears, unfortunately. And I probably shouldn't say this, but you know,
don't say it, okay, I won't, will I will.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I will come from an intellectual perspective, which I you.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Talk about them numbers in the book.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Because that the most interesting chapter to me.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
A culturation.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Versus a culturation slash assimilation. Right, they do not go
through or identify with us, us.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
With our struggle. Get me like a brick. When I
was bent that, I was like, dag.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Okay, you know they not only and see it's this
sexist female cultural.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Life that they live.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Basically with the degregation of women, and they believe that
women are supposed to act a certain way, be a
certain way, and women is not supposed to be in
charge of anything, especially not in government.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
And so you will find that.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Usually in the in the past elections in sixteen and twenty,
overall thirty voted.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
They voted thirty percent as a block of votes.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
In this election, thirty seven to thirty eight percent of
the Latino women voted Republican and for Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Forty seven to forty eight.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Percent of the men voted for Donald Trump. And if
you can, and I've been like explaining this to people
and breaking it down if.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
You you got to look at.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Their number overall as a quote unquote I don't like
this word as a minority. But you know they are now,
you know, lead the lead minority group.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
You know, they take great pride in that, and they.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Don't even realize it's really insulting in a certain manner speaking.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
But they are.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Over like sixty one, maybe close to sixty two million. We,
on the other hand, are like about forty one forty
two million somewhere around that vicinity as far as a group.
And so when you take those number, and even if
you just take half of okay the men and say
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thirty million, and say you take because not all thirty
million of that population can vote, might be too young,
whatever reasons, say, say you take fifty percent of that number,
and now you kind of have it down to about
maybe fifteen million. And if you're thirty forty eight percent,
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if you take forty eight percent of fifteen million votes,
basically fifty you're looking at seven point five million people
who voted Hispanics who voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
That's just the man, right, that's just the man. Yeah,
you know seven.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Point five can you imagine the seven point five million
votes that could have went to Kamala. The election would
have been a landside. That's just the male population, right.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And you also addressed why the black male population increased
in voting for Trump in this last election too.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yes, you know, and I did the same kind of
formula mathematically, and I'm saying, like, I might be somewhere
around two point.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Five million after you see it.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Because black men we make about forty forty one million
as a race, So we take half of that, which
is the blend, they're about fifty percent.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
You take your looking at twenty million.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
So I'm like, okay, let's just discard that fifty percent
of that because of all the other situations.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
In circumstances in society that we are afflicted with in
a spy et cetera.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
In spitellies, that and the other exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
So now you're looking at maybe ten millions. Eight to
ten had the right to vote. So you're looking at
close the twenty four percent I just founded up twenty
five percent. Twenty five percent of ten million is two
point five million between the Latinos and the black male
You will looks you are looking at approximately easily.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Ten million votes.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Wow, that that to not go for Kamala, and I
just you know, I know you said you wanted to
skip that chapter, but that chapter was very important to
me about Kamala because you know, I know she was devastated.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And I like how you, as just as an individual,
apologized to Kamala Harris. We're not doing your parts, yes,
because you know you apologize to her several times in
that chapter.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Because I know, I know what it takes to to
go up against these strongholds and principalities. And I kept saying,
you know, I'm going to intercede, and I'm going to
because that's how you win the war. This is spiritual warfare,
that's how you win it. And I kept saying, I'm
going to you know, I'm going to intercede. And I
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was like, you know what, there's just no way this
should be landslide victory. I just knew that this was
going to be a landswer slide victory.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Not only was it not, it was over before the
night was done, right.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And it was like I could not believe it, and
it was like there's no way. But I watched how.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Their communications and their p R.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Was attacking her viciously, and they did not have anything
to counter that dark, proper gas that they live in.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Well, I think I think the policy of the Democrats
was ignore it and it'll go away.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Ignore it and let's just.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Stay positive instead of being on the same plane that
they were on, which was nasty, like you said, nasty
and dark.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I think they just she just tried to keep it positive,
you know.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
And you can do that, but you have to address
and and just at.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Least say this is not true, that's not true. This
is the reality of.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Saying right, yes, so, And I mean, you know, I
you know, this is the first time since I can remember,
I've been My first time voting was voting for President
jim for Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
And never.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Have I ever especially since I had made that switch
report Reuplicans to actually align with her. There was a
unification that was taking place in this country. Kiney was
out campaigning feverishly for her, feverishly. You've never seen so
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many Republicans saying, you know what, I'm not going down
this half with this man. It's time, no way man,
right again, No, we're not doing this.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
We're not doing this. We're not doing this, And I
was just so pleased that he was.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
It was like, Wow, finally, this might be the turn
that this country needs and has been waiting for.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
This could have been a brand new awakening and beginning
for the United States. It really could have been.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And instead, but the man could not see a woman.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
They could And.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You said this in the book.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You know, if they didn't vote for Clinton, Hillary Clinton,
they weren't gonna vote for Kamala Harris. You know.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
But she ran such a far better campaign and raised
far more money.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
People say, oh, she.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Didn't have enough time and I and I disagree with that.
I commended her on the gration integrity that she defended
Biden when he had that meltdown. She and this and
Cooper tried to destroy her and get her to be like, yeah,
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we got to get rid of him, and she was like, yo,
there's no way that she had so much class.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Vigorously She did.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Vigorously, and it was like it was like respect, it
was ultimate respect.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
And I was like, you know, if we were doing
politics like this, we would be a country that could
lead and be an example for the world. And now
I looked at it, and so I was very disappointed.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
So how do you feel about your party? Now, you
said in the book, please do you feel about that party?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Will? I will say this?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
And then and then there's a there's a group that's
rising up and that there's a group that say that
they're never Trump.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
And I'm on record that's never never, never ever never
ever ever never never.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
And I can't see how our good friend, mister president,
former President Obama at playing foot seas with him at
Jimmy Cotter's funeral.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I'm like, that doesn't mean nothing. That don't mean I
don't care.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I don't you know, did not go. She's like, I'm
not even doing it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know what she said. She said she's protecting her
peace at all costs. I get it. I get it.
So look, y'all, we're gonna have to roll out.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
But yes, ma'am, y'all need.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
To get this book.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He talks about South Africa compared to New Burn, Alabama.
That's a good chapter to talk about black males, dichotomy,
black and achtomy.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Excellent book. Got to give it to you. You did
the thing on this one.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
This is my first book as a doctor too, as
doctor went the work you did.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
You did, You went to work on this one.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And like I said, if it doesn't do it, and
I was I was kind of chuckling because I said,
the people that need to read this book will never
read this book.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Oh, you'd be surprised that they might read this one.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Okay, we go see then we go.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You know, this beautiful beginning for this to have the
opportunity to speak with you. I'm glad that you had
the opportunity to go through it.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And understand it.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
And uh, but you know the main part of the
book is to chose.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
They chose the title. They chose.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
But robbis but the images on the cours right? Is
democracy free when reproductive?
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
All that has been crucifying?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yes it has been. It really has.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Long.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Things get crucified.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah yeah, yeah, excellent book.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
How they can learn more about you? How can they
get this excellent book?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Uh? Of course you can go to Amazon. It's on
all platforms thanks to my Uh what is the gen
z you know that has the audible version, the e
book version, the print version.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
It's on amaz, Google Books.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Uh, uh, Bronze and Nobles, Apple dot Com and uh
England Sparks and all the affiliates that are with them.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
So it's they can easily get the book, just put
they chose Barabas.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It's a great book, isn't that what you?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Is awesome book, one of the best that I have read.
Like I said, you you worked on this one. Doctor
Peter Cherrell joins us today. Thank you so much for
just taking out time. You know, we could talk for
two hours, three hours about this book.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, y'all have to go out and get this one. Okay, Yes,
Thank you so much for joining.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Us, And thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I really appreciate and respect and and and feel honored
to have the opportunity to be on your show.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Thank you so much. Hope to speak to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Thanks so much for joining me for good News.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
If you'd like to be a guest on the show,
you can reach out to me at good News at
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the great great grandson of former slaves from the brutal
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cotton fields of the Belvedere Plantation in.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Utah, South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
He's also a plaintiff of the Texaco racial discrimination lawsuit.
He's a previous director of Homeland Security and Emergency Services.
He's an author and publisher, and he was a writing
candidate in twenty twenty for the President of the United States.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Now we're here to.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Talk about his book because this book kind of encompasses
all of that, and the name of the book is
They Chose Barabas and all Hell Broke Loose.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Please welcome doctor Peter W. Cherrell. How are you today, sir?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I am fine, thank you. I couldn't have did a
better introduction myself.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So when I got the book, I just thought, okay,
he's going to be talking about you know, free Barabas
and all that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And I started reading.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I was like, wow, this is a political look at
what's been happening, historic, what's been happening in the Obama campaign.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It really it encompasses so much.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So talk about why you decided to write this book
and when did you write it?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Okay, I decided to write the book. Well, I'll just
give a little backstory. I was at the point where
I was like, I'm not writing any more stories until
you read The Last Woman, okay. And so that's where
I was as far as writing. But it seems like
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every four to five years, God compels me to write again.
And so the day after the twenty twenty four election,
when I got the phone call from my daughter she
will be twenty nine in.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
June, she was enraged.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, she was on fire, and she was like what
does this actually mean? How do you know what did
this happen?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Believe it?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And I was like, wow, you know I felt it,
but here coming from my.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Daughter yeah, our future.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I took that deep to herr and I was like, yo,
I'm getting ready to write another book. Wow, And that's
when I decided to write this. So I began, uh exploring,
you know, my process that I go through in writing.
Basically right after the election, I was I was shooting
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to have this earlier, but I kind of delegated some
of the responsibilities as a publisher out and you know,
the younger generation, they understand this social media and all
these different platforms, just like, oh, I could do the audio,
I could do I could do this. I'm put it
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on that and I was like, you know what, here's
my baby, you take it. So it took a little
bit of time, but I've been very pleased with the outcome,
even though it's a little bit I hate.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
To chuckle without chill because I said, oh, he didn't
even make it through the first hundred days.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So I know it's a part too that this book
right here.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You know, when I when I was composing this, I
have at least forty four chapters, I was like, oh man,
I was just going I was like, you know, I'm
not going to sit here and write old forty four chapters.
But you're probably right, and if you need the subtitle
and all hell.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Broke loose, Yes, that's the truth. My goodness. You see,
yeah first hand what this meant. And I decided.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
To explore, how could this country after what we went
through in twenty sixteen exactly and all the things we
went through in twenty twenty, Look, did not only re
elect this man.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
But after all the charges.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know, say, what had happened was so okay? Because
I got questions for you. So, yes, you were a
die hard Democrat.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I was hard Democrat.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Diehard you left the Democratic Party and went to the
Republican Party. So tell us talk about that for a moment.
What happened in that process?
Speaker 5 (05:39):
For you?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I read about it, but tell the audience.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Okay, yes, oh absolutely.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
It really started after I the total exploitation of our
infamous back leaders accident.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
I was shocked.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
And when I was in the middle of the Texico
recommenization lawsuit, then came Varon Patrick as this hero for
the diversity champion Texico, and he wasted a diversity task
for they took thirty five million dollars off the top
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of the loss and gave it to that for us,
and then one year after that he became Texas COO
corporate counsel and charge of all the lawyers for the
entire corporation. And I was like, I can't believe that
there wasn't someone else that he could have recommended or
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could have found to become a counsel for the com.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Such a conflict. Yeah, such a conflict. But remind people
about the suit, because.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I can tell you right now from that day and
I interviewed somebody who wrote a book about it, and
I can't remember the lady.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Who, Mary Robbins.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I interviewed her.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And from that day on, I have never stopped at
a Texaco station. I remember, that's my own personal protest.
But talk about that because a lot of folks don't
know about it, or they forgot about it.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh yeah, they definitely forgot about it. I actually that
actually catapulted. I never intended to be an author. I
didn't know the first thing about writing a book.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I used to walk.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Around Texaco and say, we one damn, I write a
book about this lawsuit. But they're not going to be
what people think. And then one day I just got
tired of people after me.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Did we win? And I said, you know, I'm gonna
write a book about it.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, And I sat down and began to try to
figure out how to write a book. And then because
of the content of the book, I had to figure
out how to publish it myself without because self publishing
companies wouldn't even publish it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
It was. It was, it was.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It was really serious, and it was really deep, and
it was very emotionally charged, and uh, you know, it's
It's interesting because everything that I write is kind of
like in that historic theologic component, because when you when
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you're fighting a battle like against Texaco, a racial discrimination battle,
it's like David fighting Goliath. I call that my David
versus Goliath's story, you know. And you know I have
my little rock, put it in my slingshot, and I
took the head off, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Uh. The bigger thing was.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
The disc without black leaders, and as I, you know,
began to reflect on it. And I won't say that
that compelled me to leave the party. The real, honest
truth is is that as I, you know, something happens
when you turn fifty. You realize that you don't have
a whole bunch of time.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
You're on the other side of the clock.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I don't care what you say, but anyway, I decided
to get my spiritual life in order. And so as
I was looking at things and as I was growing spiritually,
I actually got a revelation, or as I come to know,
a revelation knowledge and it challenged me. And I ran
(09:40):
for mayor in my city as many know, as money
earning mount verning and I looked around and I was like, man,
all I see is crime, murder, drugs. And one day
the bishop said, how can you call yourself a child
of the Most High?
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And you sit and you watch.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Convicted me to my core, and I said, you know what,
it's time to take a stance.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And I mean I was.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I was watching Krefflow because I was watching kreflow a
lot and Kreflow Dollar for those who might not know.
But anyway, very very inspirational on certain certain aspects of
the past. Yes dollar, Oh yeah, you know. I'm in
the at l And I heard God tell me after
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I ran for mayor and didn't win, he was like,
you really need to change parties. And I was like,
I was like, I'll never I'll never be a trader.
I'll never sell out. My people, and then I said
I'm a Democrat till I die.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
And then I said, whoa time out? Time out? Time out?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
And this is in twenty eleven, so there's a way
before all this Trump stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I was.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I was very disappointed in Obama for for many reasons.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
But I was.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Pleased that the country elected a African American as president.
But you know, they put the safeguards in to make
sure that the House and the Senate stayed the same Republican.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
So you know, it's like, yeah, you got a black president,
but you guess.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
What a fight all the way to the end, all the.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Way to the ends.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Did a little bit more and so I you know,
as I looked around and you looked around, most of
the democratic cities, most of them are challenge and education.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Is a big thing for me. School systems are failing.
Uh and basically with the school.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
System feeling, that's just say prison high school, the prison pipeline.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
And you know, I'm very big on literacy.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
The status that I ran across while we was doing
our literacy campaign, it's unbelievable where this country is and
where we are as a people in education. It's just
it's it's almost the story. Yeah, it's it's scary, and
so I stepped out on faith and I'm going to
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tell you. Being from around the way, I was like this,
this is probably one of the most dangerous things that
I could ever think of doing. And it was, like
I wrote in my second book, the first book about
the text cr racial discrimination was called Black to the Future.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
From the Plantation to the Corporation.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And then my next book that I was compelled to
write about four years later was called Exodus, where I
became a Republican and I was sharing what happened to
me spiritually that made me.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Make this change.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And I had to stop when I said I'm a
Democrat until I die.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I was like, oh, doctor, because look you might have
been taking yourself out with them words.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, you know, God, you're not gonna listen to me,
young man? Are you gonna listen to I was in
tune enough to know that God was talking to.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Me, and I asked a question in my Exodus, and
I said.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
What does a man do when God tells him to
do something that goes against everything that he's ever believed?
And it was like, Uh, you got a choice, you
And I call this my Jonah going to Ninevah.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Story for those who go look it up. You need
to look it up, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
But anyway, I get a shove her. God told Jonah
to go to Ninevah. God speaks to people, So don't
think I was bugging when I say God was speaking
to me. So God told Jonah to go to Ninevah.
God said, I mean. Jonah said, I don't any of
us wild and Sodom and Gomorrah.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And Yodah was like, oh direction, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Joanna was like yo oh bro, He's like, nah, man,
I am not going to Ninevah. And you'll learning something.
When God tell you to do something, you could do
it the easy way or you can do it the
hard way. I said, at the end of the day,
you're going to Ninevah. You will find yourself in Ninevah
and you'll find yourself doing what God told you to do.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
And then the next thing God told me to do
it was the room for president.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And I said, man, I said, how about Congress? He
said no, I told you President. And I was like,
you have got to be kidding me. I was like, man,
I'm not even qualified.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Now. I graduated in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Thirty five years later, I find himself in a graduate
program and a master's program for public administration. I was like,
public administration. I'm like, I'm a business major. I know
business administration, but I have no idea what public administration
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really was all about. In the first day of class,
I sat there and that was about in twenty twelve,
because I graduated in twenty fifteen, if I'm not mistaken,
but it was thirty five years after I graduate undergrad
thirty five years and the first day of class and
I had a black professor, young black energetic intelligence professor.
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He was great, doctor Oliver, incredible.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I mean sharp. Oh man. It was like, wow, this
is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And the first day of class was sitting there and
he put a pivot of the entire government body budget
mandatory versus discretionary spending. I was like, man, that is
just what I needed to understand what you need to
do when you run.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I was like.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
And I was, I'm an economics major in undergrad and
I was like, oh man, I just looked up and
I just said.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Wow, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
And I knew I was doing what God had called
me to do. And so I went ahead and I
pursued it. And the irony of it is that although
I did not win, all of a sudden I see
came these connections with people from the motherland who.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Were excited, ecstatic. I was like, but you can't vote
for me.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
And I was like, man, there's a bishop in Sirira Leon,
Serie Leone. He has a school and he has an orphanage.
The kids either audio to me with the kids praying
for me to be successful.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
And when I was like, you know what, this is beautiful,
and I begin meeting people all over the continent.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
And now, I mean, let's face it, I ain't know
how any of the countries. I know almost all the countries,
and I know many leaders, and now I'm working on
a humanitarian projects for the Congo, for Guinea, for ci
ell Leon. It's like I know people of the continents now,
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all because I stepped out and did what God told
me to do, no matter how controversial and crazy people
thought I was.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And but God was putting you in position yeah where
you are today.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Look, look, we could talk about that all day.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yes, yes, yes, I need to touch on a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
About this book, yes, definitely. Okay, So you talked about kamlud.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yes, we ain't gonna talk about that, because it's one
thing I want to ask you, because we already been
talking too long.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
You talked about why.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You became a Republican. You we talked about Malcolm versus.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Martin, really good chapter.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Here's the chapter that I want to talk about. And
I think Black America wants to know. Why did the
Latino people vote for Trump? When he called them dogs
and pigs and rapists and murder.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
He said everything he wanted.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
He told him how I feel about you, but yet
they still went and voted for him.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Talk about that. I thought that was such a yes, yes,
we don't understand what happened. How could you hear that?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And I was talking to a Latina woman and she said, yeah, oh,
but he wasn't talking about us.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I was like, well, wait, how was he not talking
about you?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, you know, I guess because they think because they
have arrived and got a little bit of money or whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I don't know. This lady was kind of well off
because her husband had a nice w.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah you know, and she said he wasn't talking about her.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yet when she came back to my office, her husband
was being deported and she was in.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Tears, unfortunately. And I probably shouldn't say this, but you know,
don't say it, okay, I won't, will I will.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I will come from an intellectual perspective, which I you.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Talk about them numbers in the book.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Because that the most interesting chapter to me.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
A culturation.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Versus a culturation slash assimilation. Right, they do not go
through or identify with us, us.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
With our struggle. Get me like a brick. When I
was bent that, I was like, dag.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Okay, you know they not only and see it's this
sexist female cultural.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Life that they live.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Basically with the degregation of women, and they believe that
women are supposed to act a certain way, be a
certain way, and women is not supposed to be in
charge of anything, especially not in government.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
And so you will find that.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Usually in the in the past elections in sixteen and twenty,
overall thirty voted.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
They voted thirty percent as a block of votes.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
In this election, thirty seven to thirty eight percent of
the Latino women voted Republican and for Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Forty seven to forty eight.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Percent of the men voted for Donald Trump. And if
you can, and I've been like explaining this to people
and breaking it down if.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
You you got to look at.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Their number overall as a quote unquote I don't like
this word as a minority. But you know they are now,
you know, lead the lead minority group.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
You know, they take great pride in that, and they.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Don't even realize it's really insulting in a certain manner speaking.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
But they are.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Over like sixty one, maybe close to sixty two million. We,
on the other hand, are like about forty one forty
two million somewhere around that vicinity as far as a group.
And so when you take those number, and even if
you just take half of okay the men and say
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thirty million, and say you take because not all thirty
million of that population can vote, might be too young,
whatever reasons, say, say you take fifty percent of that number,
and now you kind of have it down to about
maybe fifteen million. And if you're thirty forty eight percent,
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if you take forty eight percent of fifteen million votes,
basically fifty you're looking at seven point five million people
who voted Hispanics who voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
That's just the man, right, that's just the man. Yeah,
you know seven.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Point five can you imagine the seven point five million
votes that could have went to Kamala. The election would
have been a landside. That's just the male population, right.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And you also addressed why the black male population increased
in voting for Trump in this last election too.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yes, you know, and I did the same kind of
formula mathematically, and I'm saying, like, I might be somewhere
around two point.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Five million after you see it.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Because black men we make about forty forty one million
as a race, So we take half of that, which
is the blend, they're about fifty percent.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
You take your looking at twenty million.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
So I'm like, okay, let's just discard that fifty percent
of that because of all the other situations.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
In circumstances in society that we are afflicted with in
a spy et cetera.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
In spitellies, that and the other exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
So now you're looking at maybe ten millions. Eight to
ten had the right to vote. So you're looking at
close the twenty four percent I just founded up twenty
five percent. Twenty five percent of ten million is two
point five million between the Latinos and the black male
You will looks you are looking at approximately easily.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Ten million votes.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Wow, that that to not go for Kamala, and I
just you know, I know you said you wanted to
skip that chapter, but that chapter was very important to
me about Kamala because you know, I know she was devastated.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
And I like how you, as just as an individual,
apologized to Kamala Harris. We're not doing your parts, yes,
because you know you apologize to her several times in
that chapter.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Because I know, I know what it takes to to
go up against these strongholds and principalities. And I kept saying,
you know, I'm going to intercede, and I'm going to
because that's how you win the war. This is spiritual warfare,
that's how you win it. And I kept saying, I'm
going to you know, I'm going to intercede. And I
(25:17):
was like, you know what, there's just no way this
should be landslide victory. I just knew that this was
going to be a landswer slide victory.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Not only was it not, it was over before the
night was done, right.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And it was like I could not believe it, and
it was like there's no way. But I watched how.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Their communications and their p R.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Was attacking her viciously, and they did not have anything
to counter that dark, proper gas that they live in.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Well, I think I think the policy of the Democrats
was ignore it and it'll go away.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Ignore it and let's just.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Stay positive instead of being on the same plane that
they were on, which was nasty, like you said, nasty
and dark.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I think they just she just tried to keep it positive,
you know.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
And you can do that, but you have to address
and and just at.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Least say this is not true, that's not true. This
is the reality of.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Saying right, yes, so, And I mean, you know, I
you know, this is the first time since I can remember,
I've been My first time voting was voting for President
jim for Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
And never.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Have I ever especially since I had made that switch
report Reuplicans to actually align with her. There was a
unification that was taking place in this country. Kiney was
out campaigning feverishly for her, feverishly. You've never seen so
(27:18):
many Republicans saying, you know what, I'm not going down
this half with this man. It's time, no way man,
right again, No, we're not doing this.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
We're not doing this. We're not doing this, And I
was just so pleased that he was.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
It was like, Wow, finally, this might be the turn
that this country needs and has been waiting for.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
This could have been a brand new awakening and beginning
for the United States. It really could have been.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And instead, but the man could not see a woman.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
They could And.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You said this in the book.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You know, if they didn't vote for Clinton, Hillary Clinton,
they weren't gonna vote for Kamala Harris. You know.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
But she ran such a far better campaign and raised
far more money.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
People say, oh, she.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Didn't have enough time and I and I disagree with that.
I commended her on the gration integrity that she defended
Biden when he had that meltdown. She and this and
Cooper tried to destroy her and get her to be like, yeah,
(28:31):
we got to get rid of him, and she was like, yo,
there's no way that she had so much class.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Vigorously She did.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Vigorously, and it was like it was like respect, it
was ultimate respect.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
And I was like, you know, if we were doing
politics like this, we would be a country that could
lead and be an example for the world. And now
I looked at it, and so I was very disappointed.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
So how do you feel about your party? Now, you
said in the book, please do you feel about that party?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Will? I will say this?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
And then and then there's a there's a group that's
rising up and that there's a group that say that
they're never Trump.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
And I'm on record that's never never, never ever never
ever ever never never.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
And I can't see how our good friend, mister president,
former President Obama at playing foot seas with him at
Jimmy Cotter's funeral.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I'm like, that doesn't mean nothing. That don't mean I
don't care.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I don't you know, did not go. She's like, I'm
not even doing it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know what she said. She said she's protecting her
peace at all costs. I get it. I get it.
So look, y'all, we're gonna have to roll out.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
But yes, ma'am, y'all need.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
To get this book.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He talks about South Africa compared to New Burn, Alabama.
That's a good chapter to talk about black males, dichotomy,
black and achtomy.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Excellent book. Got to give it to you. You did
the thing on this one.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
This is my first book as a doctor too, as
doctor went the work you did.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
You did, You went to work on this one.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And like I said, if it doesn't do it, and
I was I was kind of chuckling because I said,
the people that need to read this book will never
read this book.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Oh, you'd be surprised that they might read this one.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Okay, we go see then we go.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You know, this beautiful beginning for this to have the
opportunity to speak with you. I'm glad that you had
the opportunity to go through it.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And understand it.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
And uh, but you know the main part of the
book is to chose.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
They chose the title. They chose.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
But robbis but the images on the cours right? Is
democracy free when reproductive?
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
All that has been crucifying?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yes it has been. It really has.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Long.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Things get crucified.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah yeah, yeah, excellent book.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
How they can learn more about you? How can they
get this excellent book?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Uh? Of course you can go to Amazon. It's on
all platforms thanks to my Uh what is the gen
z you know that has the audible version, the e
book version, the print version.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
It's on amaz, Google Books.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Uh, uh, Bronze and Nobles, Apple dot Com and uh
England Sparks and all the affiliates that are with them.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
So it's they can easily get the book, just put
they chose Barabas.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It's a great book, isn't that what you?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Is awesome book, one of the best that I have read.
Like I said, you you worked on this one. Doctor
Peter Cherrell joins us today. Thank you so much for
just taking out time. You know, we could talk for
two hours, three hours about this book.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, y'all have to go out and get this one. Okay, Yes,
Thank you so much for joining.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Us, And thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I really appreciate and respect and and and feel honored
to have the opportunity to be on your show.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Thank you so much. Hope to speak to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Thanks so much for joining me for good News.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
If you'd like to be a guest on the show,
you can reach out to me at good News at
THEPG network dot org and catch good News on pgntv
dot org. I see you next time, y'all with some
good news.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
God bless
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