PTR Ep 490 Greyman Forget What You Think You Know

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the show. Guys. This is Scott with Prepper
Talk Radio. We are radio for the ready minded. You'll
notice right away that I am all by myself. Shane
is MI I A. He will be with us later,
either today or back next week. He had some other
things he had to attend to and Paris. Where do
you go? He is practicing the art right now of

(00:28):
gray Man. Let's bring him on this stage now. For
all of you who are watching, you don't see him,
neither do I. This is unexpected, but this is what
we're doing, so we're gonna have some fun with it.
We're also waiting for our guests to show up. We'll
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(01:34):
I've been loving the idea of talking about gray Man.
I've been wanting to do this for a while. And
Field Tech, I hope he's okay. He is supposed to
be joining us tonight. He is our resident expert on
gray Man. He's been living the gray Man life for
quite a long time. Now, what does that mean? What

(01:56):
are you used to like? If we look at the movies,
we look at the film and see what they talk about,
it's usually this concept or idea that you are almost stealth.
Nobody sees you, nobody knows you're there. And what's funny
is as you watch more of those movies, you realize
they're dropping into stores and buying new clothes and pulling
the tags off like they end up looking like the cleanest,

(02:17):
sharpest dressed person right with blending in clothing. That's not
gray Man. Everything that you see in the movies is
very much sensationalized, right. They do it for the views.
What reality is about being a gray Man is less
about what you're wearing and more about just being normal.

(02:41):
And hopefully field Tech joins us here and we can
dig into that. But let me know the comments. Okay,
what are the things that you guys think gray Man means?
What does gray Man mean to you? Or gray Woman? Hi? Sander,
Welcome aboard Utah. Mike's in the house, Rebecca Burton, we
got white. It's already on there. Gray Man is so interesting.
Most topics and prepping are a little bit touchy depending

(03:04):
on what your background is or what your thought process
is on it. So let's let's dive into it. Yeah,
field Tech is one of our guests. Rebecca's like builds
our guests. Makes sense why we didn't we didn't beat
us to the chat tonight. I don't know where he is.
We're missing him, but I'm hoping hoping he's got the
email and he's got the link, and if not, he's

(03:26):
practicing bugging out somewhere. Maybe you tell Mike you know Bomber.
Expound on that, Mike, Right, guy just walks up, drops
a bomb, and walks out. Nobody recognizes him. It's very nondescriptive.
What we need to think about as gray Man is
like just blending in with everybody else, not doing anything

(03:46):
to raise attention to yourself. Number one, volume are you yelling? Right?
Are you screaming or yelling? Are you doing anything loud
to draw attention to That is a no no right.
Number two, are you wearing really loud clothing? Field Tack
wears camo. He wears camo pants all the time, and

(04:07):
he likes it because it gives him the extra pockets.
I mostly wear for me tactical pants, and people will
tell you all day long that's not gray Man, And
I'll be like, how many people do I see where
I live wearing tactical pants? Across the men, It's almost
thirty percent of the people that I'm around are wearing

(04:27):
some type of tactical pant, whether it's a just like
five to eleven pant or perhaps just a standard cargo pant.
Like it's getting more and more popular to wear those
all the time, and so it's less standing out than
it used to be. Now, obviously, if I'm wearing like
all black commando style things, I'm gonna stick out like
a sore thumb. Most of the time, I'm wearing a

(04:48):
T shirt or a button up regular pants, sometimes jeans,
but I don't do anything that really calls too much
attention to me. Ers, on the other hand, is wearing
our Warrior T shirt, which brings a lot of attention,
brings the heat. I'm just kidding it doesn't You guys
can get it over on our website Duck radio dot com.

(05:09):
We got all our swag there you can get We're
talking about the gray Man, talking about some of the
myths and misconceptions. We might end up just freestyling. This
went off on a different tangent. Without our guest here
and also without Shane, We're going to have an interesting show.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
One of the things that I was reading up on
gray Man techniques and tactics from our our our guests
sent over some stuff. I just messaged him to see
if he's if you if you ran into some trouble.
But one of the things he mentioned is that he
just says, here's here's a here's a h a test.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Where were where were you?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Where was the last place that you went that was
not your home? A restaurant, a store, gas station, a
coffee shop, airport, anything. Can you describe in detail three
people that you were that were around you at any
one of those locations, And if you that's that's the

(06:13):
reality that will kind of give you the perspective of
the gray man is that we just don't always most
people aren't paying attention to what's going on around them.
And so if you can't answer the what were the
clothes that they wearing, What were the shoes that they had?
Did they have sunglasses or prescription glasses? Do they what
were they carrying if anything? Do they have a purse,

(06:35):
a bag or were they on their phone? Do they
have earbuds? What color was their hair? What color was
their eyes? Did they have a goatee, a beard? If
you don't know, if you can't describe three people, then
you're probably then you're the average person that's out there
and you And that's how we can stay gray man

(06:56):
is because we're so gray man. Yeah, we can be
you know, the the hood and the whatever, the hat
and the whole thing. But the reality is is that
people aren't paying attention so much in the world. You
can just be yourself and you're pretty much a gray
man already.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
That's funny. We did in high school, and like it
wasn't homeac, but it was kind of like that type
of class we had. The teacher had her fiance come in.
None of us knew who he was, and he was like,
are you so and so, And she's like, yeah, I
canna help you. And she's like whoa, and he like
throws this big tantrum. You gave my kid an f

(07:32):
This is ridiculous, and he's like all right, like just
yelling tirade and we're all like, I was like, I
don't know, twelve thirteen and I'm just like uh, and
everything in the class is just like frozeen And this
whole engagement goes on, and then he like grabs the
papers on her desk, throws them and then runs out
the room like storms off, and she's like visibly shaken,

(07:55):
and we're just like, what just happened. The whole thing
was a ruse. She was pretending the thing was a
pretend thing, and she's like, guys, I and so she
got on her little phone and she called the office
and the principal comes down and they're like, Okay, what
did he look like? What was he wearing? And like
they were asking us instead of her, like what he

(08:15):
looked like? What he was wearing? Like to describe him?
And after reading the article that the field tax Centius,
I was like, dude, we couldn't describe this guy very well.
There was like arguments, was he wearing a jacket, was
he wearing a sweater? Was was he just wearing a
regular button up shirt? Like did he have like what
we remembered he had brown, curly hair and glasses and

(08:36):
was angry like anything else we thought he had. Like
the consensus was he had a tan jacket and that
he had brown pants. Turns out he had a tan
sweater and tan pants, khaki pants and a maroon shirt underneath.

(08:57):
And like we didn't get it, Like we were way off.
We were so off on all of it. We're like,
what the heck? And the lesson was in situations like that,
you need to force yourself to identify key characteristics so
you know who it is that may cause the problem, right,
you know who you need to be going after. And
that flashed into my mind, Like, okay, gray man, people

(09:18):
don't pay attention, right, Like we're so embedded into our phones,
we just need to not bring attention to ourselves. Is
basically the consensus that I got out of Field Tech's stuff. YEA, right,
you don't need to know the sneaky arts of spycraft, right,
You're not dropping special notes under a park bench for
somebody and avoiding detection, like it's not no one's really

(09:41):
looking for you unless you bring attention to yourself. So
then the question that I've been asking then is like
does it even matter? Does being a gray man even matter?
Does it make sense? Because I know guys that are
like cash Rally Prepper, a good friend of ours, He's
just he's like, I'm a gray man. I always wear

(10:02):
nondescript tan clothes. It's all I ever wear is like
tan or green. Dude, I know exactly who he is.
Everywhere he goes, he talks quiet, he does like, but
he wears the same type of thing all the time,
so it's like easy to remember, like that's what he wears,
that's what he wears, that's what he wears. You gotta
change it up, I guess you gotta just not be loud,
not be not engaged in the public. As Rebecca said said earlier,

(10:25):
it's like you gotta where did you put it? Body language?
It's not just outfits and clothing wise, but also body language. Right,
if someone's got a weird energy, if they're pacing back
and forth, if you're getting a weird vibe off somebody,
you're gonna pay attention to that. Right. They can't be

(10:45):
gray man if they're causing a little tension in the area.
Same thing with volume, like how loud they are, what
they're doing, their behavior, Those things that bring attention to
them are key indicators like let's back out of the situation,
Let's go somewhere else, right, keep my gray Man up
or keep my non the script living up. My biggest

(11:06):
challenge is my kids. They're loud as all get out,
can't go anywhere quietly or stealthily no matter what. So
it's like, does gray Men even matter? I don't even
know should we even still do this episode? What do
you think Paris? Does it even matter?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I think that there's I think it does matter, but
not the way that Hollywood or that they some of
these other famous fancier places would be. I just I
just sent the link by by the way to field Tech,
so hopefully he might be joining us shortly. But the
reality is I don't think it matters the same way
that we see on TV. There's that great there's a

(11:43):
great movie that came out in Netflix or Amazon called
gray Man, and it was I liked it. It was
a really good movie. And it's just how to blend
in with the crowd, and there's ways to avoid and
evade detection. That it's a whole different scenario. But being
a gray Man quite frankly, with the way people are

(12:04):
so distracted with their phones, you really do have to
do a lot of extra stuff, Like even you could
even be tactical a little bit with your gear or
with your you know stuff, and people are still not
paying attention to the point that you're probably going to
get away with most of most of anything. And so
to be like super gray Man and get all this

(12:25):
stuff to be gray Man, I don't think you really
need to go crazy. I think you just need to
actually just be yourself and do what you're supposed to do,
what you normally do in your day. And I like
what Rebecca said too, is have your vibe just chill,
and you'll or or have your vibe match whatever's going
on in the area that you're in. That's that's part

(12:48):
of I think being a gray man is that you know,
if you're at the beach and you're wearing you know,
a coat and it's sunshine ninety degrees and everybody's in
their bathing suit, gonna that's not gray man. You're gonna
get You're gonna stand out if you're if you're wearing
you know, flip flops and and shorts and it's a blizzard,
everyone else is wearing a coat, you're gonna stand out.

(13:11):
So gray man is just be what you're whatever the
environment you're in. Work to be in that environment and
match that environment. The more you match the environment, the
more you're gonna be.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Able to just be you're.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
You're gonna be lost in the background. Most people are
tuned into w w f M, What's What's or w
I f M What's in it for me? And they
don't they don't they don't look around, they don't know,
they don't know what's going on. So to me, being
a gray man is just as simple as you just
if you're if you're kind of blended in with the crowd.

(13:49):
You could wear tactical gear, you could wear takis, you
could wear camo. I mean, you can go to the
mall right now and somebody's gonna be wearing camo pants.
So is it going to be too out of the
ordinary to be wearing cameo pants too. It might be
a little easier to identify you, but.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Maybe maybe tactical khakis are easier to identify because it's like, Okay,
that's more law enforcement. Where's those law enforcement in everyday
civilian life? In everyday life? Do we see military camo
in outside of the military. Not really, I mean Leo's

(14:29):
don't wear it. None of the law enforcement officers wear
average citizens. Yeah, maybe some goofy guys wear camo, but
the average law enforcement agency they're wearing regular black, tan,
blue khakis. And so when you see that, that's a
little bit more to me. If I was wearing that,
I would be like, Okay, that guy's more law enforcement
or potentially law enforcement. That would draw attention more. Frankly,

(14:55):
in some ways, it could drive at tension even more.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I love why it points out the the Boss marathon bombers,
like everybody recognized who they were because they didn't look back, right,
their behavior when the explosions en off is what got
them caught, right, And we live in this surveillance state now,
like everything is being recorded and there's video cameras everywhere.
Everyone's got their phones out, Like people won't even intervene
in a problem to try to stop a fight, they'll

(15:21):
record it instead, and they'll stream it instead. And you've
got cameras everywhere. And then you've got Elon Musk and
his entire cyber security warfare system of Tesla's driving around
with eighteen cameras watching everything, watching it, and Google's doing
their street mode watching everything. Right, they're not the only ones.
There's all these different things going on that they can

(15:45):
come back to the after the fact and look for
all the different behavior. It changes like were you out
of place? Were you acting rationally when everyone else is
freaking out? Right, So you got to try to fit in,
blend in, But you don't have to just don't draw
a ten to yourself. And that's the hard part, Like
what does that even? Like, what does that even look like?

(16:05):
Like everybody's running in, panicking, running, panic, running panic to
a smarter place, right, get to a better place because
you're already aware of your area or be able to
back out of it before it goes crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I mean most of the time, somebody who's really the
gray man is It's kind of interesting because a lot
of people think of the gray man because oh, I'm
in somebody's after me. Well, how many of us really
have people after us that we need to blend in? Like,
I don't think there's that many people that are really
doing stuff that people are after you. And if they

(16:40):
are after you at this point in the in the game,
they're they're watching you at traffic lights, and they're watching
your web They probably tapped into your webcam or your
phone cam. They're watching you other ways. Uh, they're definitely
watching us when we talk because I know the YouTube
algorithm and the part of me, the Facebook algorithm like
shows me stuff that is like wait a minute, how

(17:00):
did I anyway? So they're surveilling us in that regard.
And so the more the more you act like regular,
everyday ordinary citizenry would act, the more that's going to
be just commonplace. And it's you're gonna blend in with
the with the hole. You know, you're just gonna blend
into the scenery and blend into the background. They're not

(17:21):
even gonna notice you from all the other people wearing
whatever they're wearing in the same place.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
One of the things that Tactical brought up in his
rite up was, you know, is you're if if you're
walking down the street, walk down the middle of the sidewalk,
you know, pretend like you're looking in the stores, because
that's what normal people do. If you're walking on the
edge of the sidewalk or right up against the building,
sometimes that's like, what is that guy doing? That's not
where normal people would walk on the sidewalk. You know,

(17:47):
if you're moving faster than everybody else, like stay stay paced,
keep the pace with the crowd. Those are some gray
Man things.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Another gray Man thing is just keep your life simple
and don't stand out with too many crazy comments or
you know, for example, if you're in a club or
a church and you're always you know, talking about some
weird doctrine or some weird idea in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
You're going to stand out.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Like, but if you're just like they're listening and you
just talk about the normal every day stuff everybody talks about,
they're not going to remember you from Adam or Eve,
you know, so to speak. And that's something that I
think is important to because what are the what are
the scenarios that we're in as average, ordinative, everyday people.
What are the scenarios that we're in that we would

(18:34):
want to be gray men or women in that area? Work,
church and shopping.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Eating out events or events. Those are good travel right.
One of the things that field Tech brought up is
is like he doesn't carry a backpack or a bag
with all of his EDC. He puts it all in
his pockets. Right to me, I try to carry as
little EDC with me all the time. Right, leave it

(19:04):
in the car, don't don't have don't have everything on
me if I don't need it on me. Right, pack light,
but pack heavy in the car. And personally I'll carry
a bag if I need to, but I will I
try not to carry a bag as much as possible. Right,
simplify what I've got on me. I see guys that

(19:24):
do the pocket dump DC's, we've done it on here before.
They're like, oh, yeah, here's all thirty of my things.
And it's like those guys that that's in all their
cargo pockets. When you start running and those things start
flailing everywhere, you're gonna bring a lot of attention to
yourself because you sound like a beating drum that that
you see these big winged pockets flying everywhere. Right, there's

(19:46):
a challenge with that, and it's noticeable. But like you've
got to you've got to be realistic for where you are.
Bring what you need right. You don't need to carry
a toolbox around everywhere you go if you're not actually
there to work and build and fix things, right. And
that's that's what I think some people are like, well,

(20:08):
I got to have I gotta have my backpack with
all my gear. You don't. You just need what you need.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Cross body bags are super popular nowadays, so you can
have a cross body bag that you can use. You
don't have to have an actual backpack, And even backpacks
are pretty especially if you're near a campus, you could
totally blend in with a backpack. But if you're out
and about doing some other stuff, then it's you know it,

(20:33):
you can do cross body They sell cross body bags
at Costco. I mean, I have a tactical cross body
bag that's got being another stuff on it. But I
don't think most people even see it when they walk
by me because they're not paying attention. I have it
in front of me sometimes and I have it on
behind me at other times, and it's like, even is
anybody even paying attention?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
So much attention brought to mine. I don't carry this
very often. This throws it in the back in the
back of the car, and I use it when I
needed it has my In our last episode, I talked
about how I had to unlock unlock a door, so
I had to I brought out my lock pick set.
So I brought it in the house because I was

(21:14):
gonna do some filming with it. But yeah, like, have
the tools you need somewhere you can get to them.
But if you have a super tactical bag like that one,
I don't carry that bag on purpose, like I keep
it in the car. I've got other backpacks. I got
so many other backpacks, backpackers, backpacks, school backpacks, and so
like my get home bag is a school backpack, like

(21:35):
what you'd see in an office or what you'd see
in a regular college type scenario. That type of backpack
doesn't bring attention to you. It just blends in with
what everybody else would carry if they have a backpack. Right,
it's kind of that corporate look backpack, but like my
bug out bag, it's bigger meteor. But that gets tossed
in the car if we're gonna drive off somewhere, right,

(21:57):
and then it just looks like we're going for a
family drive. So you've got it. I don't know. The
whole gray man idea sounds really cool, but in practice
it's a lot simpler than it's made out.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
To be, right right, And it's kind of a bummer
because you want it to be super sexy and you're like, dude,
I want to be a gray Man, and you're like,
what do I have to do to be a gray Man?
Just be yourself? What that's boring?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I want to be a gray Man. How could I
be a gray Man? You just wear your normal like
I honestly, dude, I have some of the funniest I
have some T shirts with some funny sayings on them,
like Scott has the one that the poop emoji with
the boxing gloves and the fan and I bet you bro,
you walk through the store and one out of one
hundred probably say something about it.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
So it's never the adults, right, It's always the kid,
never the adults. It's always little kids that are like,
hah in the point and they're like cool poop emoji. Right,
it's never the adults. The adults are like, you're.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Like that crazy T shirt that's super like unique or rare.
You probably blend in with even even with that, because
people are like, oh yeah, oh wait, what there's a
guy with a poop emoji shirt on, Like you know
what I mean. I'm sure in the back of their
mind if they had to recall it, they might be
able to come up with it. But it's just crazy that,
you know, gray Man is So it's just one of

(23:19):
those sexy, you know words or phrases, but it really
at the end of the day, in practice, it's like, no,
it's just live because people are not paying attention, and
they're not Because they're not paying attention, you can get
away with a lot of stuff. Wait wait, wait, Scott
to bring him until he's going to give us the

(23:40):
thumbs up.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Cool, Well, we got good news. Field Tech is actually
just just about to join us here, so we will
revisit some of the stuff we've talked about We'll spend
another twenty five minutes doing this, going a little bit
deeper in, but we're glad he was able to get
the link. So but yeah, it's it's funny because you
spend all this time for hearsing it and learning about it,

(24:01):
and everyone you hear it all the time. And I'm
in a lot of forms and I see people, Oh man,
I'm working on my gray Man. I'm like for what, Yeah,
what are you working on? What are you? Well? Like, okay,
so there's those anti picture hats. I'm like, okay, that's
a kind of a nice idea. So it's harder to
get photographed. But I'm like, what are you doing that

(24:23):
you don't need to be visible to everyone else? All
that's gonna do is when they go back and watch
the video, that's going to call attention to you. Now
they're going to really want to know who you are.
So I'm like, yeah, is there a value there to
buy a forty dollars hat that blocks out pictures? Maybe?
Maybe not, I don't know, but it's not something that
I personally would be interested in that to this is awesome.

(24:45):
So she feels like all the band with loaded pockets
are just now finding out what women feel like anytime
they run. They've had to master how to run to
minimize bounce and noise. Right, guys with big cameo with big,
big pockets on their pants, that's the same problem, right,
Those cargo shorts. Cargo shorts are the worst. Oh yeah,

(25:07):
cargo pants better because it doesn't flap as much. But man,
I remember my cargo pants as a kid, even up
into probably about twenty twenty five, they were bigger and
baggier and so like when you'd run, they'd flap everywhere
and hit things that doesn't need to be hit, and
they're horrible. Now they're pretty streamlined, and it's just I

(25:28):
don't fit a whole lot of stuff in my pockets anyways,
because they just don't need that much.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, I like having them because I like the idea
of being able to have stuff in my pockets. But
at the end of the day, every week, I when
I go to put my pants in the laundry, I
never use I never have anything in those pockets. And
every once in a while I'll do, like if I
go and do if I'm building something or I'm working

(25:54):
in the yard or something, and I have those pants.
I'll i'll, you know, put a tool in the in
the pocket, so I'll use them for that, which is
really good. But you know, it's crazy to think that
they have all these fancy things and you want to
be fancy and cool, but you never really use it.
I have some really I like those shirts. There's a
lot of shirts that I like, the polo shirts that

(26:15):
have like the little they have the little pockets for
your pen in the sleeve and they're tactical for law enforcement,
and I use those. I actually do use that shirt
and I put my pens in there and it's super
I like having that available to me because I like
having pins. There's an old saying in sales like if
you don't have a pen, you're you're not a good salesman,
like if you don't have a pen ready to go,

(26:37):
so as in sales, I was, I was like, I
have a pen, and I have a backup pen, and
I have a pen for my pen, and so I
was I had like five pens always. And my wife
was going through my bag the other day because we
were looking for something I couldn't remember where it was,
and I said, hey, look through the bag, and she's
like Why do you have so many pens in here?
Because I'm in sales. You got to you always have
to have a pen.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Oh, I thought he was ready, he's not. What's funny
is like I did when we did Prepper Con back
in the day, Like the polos that we bought had
the little loops on top so we could connect our radios.
And I still wear those shirts from time to time.
But it's like everything's starting to have like those loops
on them and or pockets for pens, and so it's

(27:21):
like it's less and less a big deal. But it's
like none of the stuff that I have really draws
a lot of attention to me. I don't have anything.
Like what's funny is like I'll go out in public
and the things that I notice are the things that
are out of place. So if I go somewhere fancy
and I see somebody grubby, that's what I notice. If
I go somewhere grubby and I see somebody fancy, that's

(27:41):
what I notice, And we're I'm drawn to watch those things.
I'm like, what are you doing here? Why are you
so dressed up? Mister? Like, what's shady going on? What
are you doing? Like it doesn't make sense. Those are
the ones that I pay attention.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
To, just to kind of reiterate that you just got
your trained a little bit, like you've you've got some
training to look around and be situationally aware, and so
you're going to be more obviously more observant than the average,
ordinary every day guy. Just as an example, I go
shopping every Saturday at the same store roughly the same time.

(28:18):
And what's funny is that I'll I'll see people from
church in there, or my neighbors, and I would say
probably every once in a while they'll see me and
say hi. More often than not, I see them and

(28:38):
say hi, and they're like, oh, I didn't even see
I literally was checking out. I was in the checkout
somebody that I knew was one of my neighbors that
we were friends is checking out right behind me. Another
neighbor is checking out to the right of me. I
turn to the right and I say, hey, neighbor, how
are you. They're like, oh, I didn't even see you there.

(28:59):
And then I turned and around. I said, did you
see so? Did you see so and so behind us?
And they're like, I didn't even see that either. Like
literally the dude walks between us to go to the
checking out and he didn't even see us. So the
idea of being a gray man or having to do
anything extra fancy or special, and I'm and I'm and
sometimes I think, well, that's just that guy, like he's

(29:19):
just totally unobservant. But then you there's like three or
four other neighbors that do the same thing over the
next several weeks, and it's like, bro, this is just people,
you know what I mean. If you don't take the
time to waive or take the time to make yourself known,
more often than not, they don't even see you because
they're just focused on whatever they're doing. And that's that

(29:39):
was just a huge confirmation that what tactical sent us
a practical cent us is legit. Like people are not
paying gray man is a miss is kind of a
a misnomer, but it's like a we think we have
to do something to be gray, but we don't because
most people are not paying attentions and they're so oblivious

(30:01):
that we already are gray.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, we're all the static noise anyways. And when you're
not being the static noise, that's when you're called Like
that's when attention's called on you, right when you're outside
the norm.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
It's almost like, if you try to be a gray man,
you could actually bring more attention to yourself than just
being in the crowd, right, which is kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Ah, so gray man, myth busted. Right, don't do anything special.
That's what I've learned from this as I've researched it
as But what I what I want to say though,
is like, still keep that head on a swivel, pay
attention to everything, but you don't have to be sketchy
about it, like checking everything all the time. But like

(30:51):
utilizing mirrors, utilizing reflections, utilizing just live a normal life.
You know, every once in a while, pretend you to
drop something and look back to see right, whatever you
need to do, But ninety percent of the time you're
not in danger. Just blend in, just live normal.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, Like when I when I get out of my
car at this grocery store, and when or from running
errands the post office, whatever I look, I look in
every car that's parked within my you know, running and
grab me kind of distance. If it's across the parking lot, Yeah,
they might be able to take me out with with something,
but if it's if it's right near me. I'm looking

(31:27):
in every car window I can. I can tell you
as I walk into the grocery store or walk out
of the grocery store, who's in what car? Who's got
a car just idling, who's got a car that's fully
parked and empty, who's got a car this parked and
somebody's sitting in the one of the seats?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I can.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I mean, I'm my one hundred percent accurate no. But
I was talking to Todd Todd Nielsen, he's been on
our show several times, and he's like, Bro, you you're
not the ordinary guy. You're not the average citizen like
you look for things because we've trained well not only
am I observant anyways, but he in all of his training,

(32:03):
he was he talks about look around, what is what
is around you? Especially if you're going to carry a weapon.
You know, if you're going to carry a weapon, you've
got to be constantly vigilant about what's your what is
your target? But not just what is your target, but
what is beyond your target? Because you can if you
start throwing you know, brass around or lead, you got

(32:25):
to know where it's headed, because you're liable every one
of those pieces of lead that gets that leaves your device.
You have to And I'm using code words for YouTube
by the way, I hope everybody's picking up on my codewords.
If you're if your lead's being thrown out of your device,
then you're you got you're responsible for every piece that
comes out of that device, and so you got to
know where it's going and where where it's headed and

(32:47):
what it's hit. And if you're not paying attention to
what's your what's in your environment, you might you know,
be saving somebody but then hurt somebody else that wasn't
like that, Like right in the in the in the
King's Day or whatever, no King's day in Salt Lake City,
there was some dude who was grabbing for a gun device,

(33:08):
a Second Amendment device and trying to get it away
from somebody who was there to do harm, but in
the process of doing that wasn't paying attention to the
surroundings and ended up some lead flew out of that
device and hit somebody and took and there it ended
their life. Yeah, yeah, and that was that's a super
huge strategy, and that has a lot to do with

(33:29):
just not being aware of your situation. So I think
I think gray man has a lot more to do
with being freedom seed sprinkler. I like that, Rebecca. That's
I'm gonna put bringing that up. A freedom seed sprinkler.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
That's messy. That's definitely automatic.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Right, A sprinkler is an automatic gift. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
So my thought is this, you said be yourself, we
also said be aware, be vigilant, right, know what's going
on around you, but don't cause commotion or brought attention
to yourself or anything else around you unnecessarily. But there
are times that are going to come that you're going

(34:13):
to have to make a move. You're gonna have to
act right. You can't be a gray Man forever, meaning
you can't be uninvolved forever. If you see a crime
taking place that you can safely deter it or stop
it right, stop it, don't pull out your camera and
just film it. Stop it. But there's a time and

(34:34):
a place for everything and different types of things definitely avoid,
but also other things like if the numbers are completely
out of your league, it's best to try to back out.
Ryeah is code word as possible on that, but yeah,
it's just most of the time, nothing's going on anyways.

(34:57):
Most of the time, there's nothing really to worry about.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
And it's a different set of skills to avoid someone
who's actually actively surveilling you. That's not necessarily being a
gray man. Although gray man so evasion techniques are gray
Man techniques, but not all gray Man techniques are evasion techniques.
And so it's important to remember that one of the

(35:20):
things that Practical shared with us in his field tech whatever.
He's got so many different channels. We actually know the
name to call him, but we call him by the handles.
He comes on here, but it says here how to
become how do I become invisible in plain sight? And
that's kind of the idea of the gray man is

(35:41):
the art of hiding in plain sight is or being
gray to your surroundings. He says, he gives a list
of some eight things to how to become invisible in
plain sight, and he was We almost had him on
to be able to come on the show, and we
just lack of communication, I think happened. And so we'll

(36:02):
see maybe we can bring him on and we can
do a better job with him actually given his own
techniques and stuff at some point in the future. But
he says these eight things act normal in your daily routine.
Two don't raise your voice in public places. Three, don't
make sudden or loud, brashy movements or gestures. Four walk
amongst the crowd in stores. Don't stand out by being

(36:22):
the lone person walking down the aisle. Five In cities,
walk along the sidewalk, walk in the center. People who
are walking tend to look into buildings and stores and
do things like that as they're passing by, so they don't.
They rarely look straight ahead. So because you know, be
looking around and do what the crowd would do, not
what the idiots did who blew up the Boston marathon,
and not look back what normal people would do. If

(36:45):
you feel as though you're being followed, then there's other
skills to learn from that. But number seven is if
it's cloudy day and you're the only one wearing sunglasses,
take them off. If it's in Number eight is if
it's eighty degrees and you're wearing a winter coat, you're
gonna stand doubt. So keep it simple. Don't be obvious
in your presence, just be yourself. Being the gray man

(37:06):
by trying to fit in it will garner you more
attention than actually just being yourself. So that's kind of
some of the the bullet points. And I was like,
this is actually really well put together and it makes
complete sense to me. And when he you know, I
was always like, oh, I got to wear the certain
that you know, just don't wear flashy clothes, you know,

(37:29):
don't have bright shirts or pants, and don't have a
lot of badges or patches or distinguishing marks. But the
reality is that people are not paying attention so much
so that you don't like you. They're not going to
know if you're hav like they're gon know if your
shirt was green or fluorescent blue, like, they're probably gonna

(37:50):
just I don't know. It was a tall guy, it
was man woman, I don't know what I mean. Like
people if they're get if they get asked, and besides that,
what what in the world are you going to do
that if you need to be identified by someone else
that you're not going to be right there to identify yourself,
Like are you gonna go commit a crime and you're
gonna the police are gonna have to question everybody else

(38:12):
to find out who you are. Don't be that guy, Like,
you don't need to be a gray man if you're
not completing committing crimes. Like if you're if you're saving
the day, or you're stopping an intruder or stopping an
active shooter, or you're stopping a crime from being committed,
you're probably going to stick around till the authorities get
there and they're going to ask you, who are you.
I'm the guy that everybody can't describe because I'm just

(38:33):
a normal citizen, you know what I mean, Like, why.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Are you trying to?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Like what is the gray man? The gray Man is
super sexy and everyone wants to be the gray Man.
But in the reality is of everyday life, when do
we really need to be a gray Man?

Speaker 1 (38:46):
There was a trend recently on I think Instagram and TikTok,
like the villain music and people like what would be
my villain walk? And they're like like these weird videos
like we're up on the tip, like all the like
Saturday morning cartoons stuff that we saw as kids. Right. Uh,
it was that like and the reality is nobody really

(39:08):
behaves like that in the real world. Yet that's what
we look for, that's what we think about and that,
like the gray man is the same type of thing,
like what even are you? Like does it even? Does
it even make sense to talk about it? So it's
it's funny because just just be normal. As soon as

(39:31):
you're different than everything else, then you're drawing attention. I
think that's pretty much. That's pretty much it.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, you're if you're not wearing a clown costume in
the middle of a normal mall, then you're probably not
going to stand out. You're probably a gray man already.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Actually, I don't think i'd noticed a clown costume person.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
And if you're at a carnival with a clown suit,
that you're a gray.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Man, right, But if you're if you're if you're at
church dressed as a clown, you're going to stand out.
Like yeah, that's that's the thing, like no know where you
are dressed for the occasion, dressed for the location, and
then act act in accordance with the theme. Like oh,
there's it's just so simple. We've over complicated everything and

(40:17):
if we just simplify everything, minimalized, minimize everything, minimalize it,
and just dumb it down, it's a lot easier living.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, I mean a lot of times too. It's like,
I think Rebecca brings up a good point here. Sorry,
wrong one. Rebecca brings up a good point that we're
our cultures, so look at me. That just being normal
will make you invisible or at least forgettable. And I
think that's a great point. Is that if you're if
you're constantly posting on something, you're what you ate for

(40:47):
dinner or lunch or breakfast, people are going to recognize
you more readily when you're out and about. So I
mean it's okay to be social and beyond you use
the platforms and the apps that we're on. But I
think that that's a good point. If you if you're
not look at me, you're gonna be okay.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Absolutely, And we're I think the benefit of most of
us listening, we're the little bit older generation, right, We're
elder millennials, we're gen xers, we're baby boomers, and so
like we care less about those things anyways. It's the
younger kids that are getting the flashy clothes and things
like that that I think we we're pretty pretty good

(41:26):
at just being blending into the surroundings just by our
life and the way we are. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I mean, I think we tried feel tech did try
to get on here again just a minute ago, but
we're happy you'll have a little bit of technical issues there.
So I think we've hit pretty much the bulk of it. Scott,
if you want to if you have any last minute thoughts,
I think my last minute thought is don't overthink it.

(41:58):
And if you overthink stuff a lot of times, you're
going to get yourself in trouble because you're most of
the time the simple answer, what is it called Aukham's razor?
The simple obvious answer is usually the one. And so
if you're like, for example, I carry wherever I go,
I carry my device, my Second Amendment device, wherever I go.

(42:22):
I doubt that if ninety eight out of one hundred
people had no clue I was carrying. I bet you
that's the average, Like maybe one or two. It probably
ninety nine out of one hundred. Maybe Eve, it's ninety
ninety nine out of a thousand, have no idea. It's
because you just act normal. And here's another thing too,
is I when I was a missionary for my church

(42:45):
in Florida, I would go to some neighborhoods. I mean
we're wearing a shirt and tie, so we stand it out.
We stood out like nothing, like we were literally you
can't miss us from a mile away, right.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
We were both in there's memes all about that, right.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
And So I would walk into some neighborhoods that were
pretty gang heavy neighborhoods, and I just acted like I
was supposed to, even though I was in a completely
suit and shirt and tie and looked like I was
a member of the CIAF be like. I would just
walk into neighborhoods like I knew, like I belonged there,
and I'd be like, hey, what's up, bro, you know

(43:22):
what's going down? You know. I'd be like a little
bit of that. I wouldn't go too much. But they
were like either they were in shock that I was
so comfortable walking into their neighborhood and they didn't know
what to do with me, or they were like, hey,
this guy seems cool, let's just leave him alone. Later,
that served me well because there was a neighborhood that
I was I was, I was a leader in our church,

(43:42):
and there was a neighborhood that a lot of people
were like, we don't want to go into that neighborhood
after dark, and I was like.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I just pretend like I'm there, you know, it's I
just act like I'm supposed to be there. And so
I walked into this apartment complex like I was. I'm
like I lived there, Like, hey, I'm supposed to. I'm
here to meet with a couple of our the members
of our church that need some support, needed some help,
and need a little charity. And so I went into
that naghbor. I'm here for a purpose. I'm on God's

(44:10):
errand I just walked in and did what I'm supposed
to do. And I feel like I was protected, probably
because I was on God's errand but I also just
acted like I was supposed to be there, and that
did a lot towards being the gray Man. And so
I just got a message from Tactical. He says the
stream Yard won't allow him to connect his mic and

(44:32):
camera interestingly enough, so we're gonna have to add him.
We're gonna have to do another show with him and
bring him on at another time. So I think that's
my final thoughts. Scott, just act like you're supposed to
be there. If you're and blend in with the crown.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, so it's kind of like that saying, don't dress
for the job you have, dress for the job you want.
You want to blend in, dress to blend in, and
you're good. Just just be Don't be the shiny penny
in the sea of dingy pennies, right, Just don't stand out,

(45:10):
don't draw attention, Go have fun, live your life, stop
worrying about gray Man, and focus on getting some more
food storage and freedom seeds for your sprinklers. And we
lost Paris again.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
No amen to do that. No, I was just sorry.
I gave my final thought and then you were gonna
give yours and I thought you were gonna end it,
so my brain was like, oh, you'll just close this out.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I'll close it out. Guys, thank you for listening to
prep Attack Radio. This is radio for the ready minded.
We're not gray men, but we're excited to prep We're
the poster child for prepping enthusiasts worldwide. Thanks for tuning
in and not tuning out. And keep that head on
a swivel, keep your expectations low, and keep your joy

(45:54):
because even when dark times arise, you need to find
some happiness. See you next time.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Take care guys s

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