PTR Ep 507 Why You NEED To Carry EVERYDAY!

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Prepper Talk Radio
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a prepper talk ten one zero to save ten percent
of checkout guys. I've been I've been trying to be
more religious about caring. I've been trying to be more
aware all the time and trying to keep myself better protected,
because honestly, I don't feel like it's an option anymore.
It's a it's a must have. And so tonight we're

(01:33):
gonna chat about that. We're gonna open up the conversation
because guess what the chat is live. Thank you everyone
for being on here. Already see a lot of you
guys in their field tech Rebecca, did I see white
it already? Sandy's in there prepared guy. Of course, he's
right over there, but uh, he's And it's funny because

(01:53):
if you're watching the video like we see it mirrored
for ourselves and so I've got to always remember point
that way to go that way. But it's yeah, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm ready for it. Are you guys ready for it?
Always ready? If you're concealed carrying, you're always ready, right,
I mean you should be. That's kind of you. My
motto is always be prepared or we get that from somewhere,
but not just all always one word but all ways, right,
that's I don't know, play on words. Oh, in all
ways I like that. I mean just always prepared, always prepared.

(02:27):
I don't know I had that. I was saying that before.
I'd call myself prepared guy. But anyway, but yeah, I
mean that's been my motto. I mean I've been you know,
just give you some data, some information. I've been carrying
since like ninety five, I think ninety six, so right
around thirty years or so. And it's been a learning process.

(02:51):
It has been interesting, I guess to say the least.
Lots of mistakes made, lots of things learned, and I
think I got to figure it out at least for myself,
right enough for you guys, but for me.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I haven't seen anybody go through more Holster variations and
sidearm variations than you. Yep, like most everybody else in
my circle of friends. It's like, oh, I carry this,
this is all carry I I'm only going to carry this.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I'm not going to change.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I don't even want to think about it. But then
I hear you talk and I'm like, there's an art
to your like there's like an art but also a
science to your philosophy of carry.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I think that's accurate, you know, although I am I've
been doing this has been a learning process and that's
why I've been doing, you know, buying different handguns and
holsters and such. But there are people that own and
carry a lot more than I do, as in different
various handguns. I really don't like to carry a lot
of different handguns because it's hard to get familiar with

(03:55):
each one of them and get good with each one
of them. Right, So I'm trying to set I'm still
working on it, trying to settle on what is the
best concealed carry weapon for me. And you know, I
don't think I've actually decided that yet. I'm still working
on it. I don't know really where to go from here.
So I'm about ninety plus percent chere on what and

(04:19):
how and where and all that stuff. So so we
actually got it, Yes, Er, you're right, you can't find
a decent holder without paying hundreds of I mean there
are some minion the sixty seventy dollars and we can
talk about holsters. That's on my list.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
So Fieltech asked this question, Scott, why have you not
carrying in the past? So I used to carry, I
used to have a concealed carry. I stopped caring because
of a legal issue that prohuited me from being able
to on a firearm, touch a firearm, or.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Be a round a firearm.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
It took three years to get that removed and expunged,
and it put me out of practice, and because I
had to sell off or relocate most of my lovely toys,
I just couldn't.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
And after the voting accident.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, thankfully though, I've been able to start acquiring things
again and getting back into the right mindset to carry,
to get my physicality better so that I'm not one
of the things we were talking about before the show,
before Perison got on, Shane and I were talking about
how the challenge I have right now, I'm printing really bad,

(05:23):
and if you don't know what printing is, it's basically
your tool showing through your outfit. And because most of
the time I were T shirts and currently all the
time I'm chubby, it's harder for me to conceal carry
where I used to conceal carry when I wasn't chubby.
If that answers with enough clarity.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Those questions, and so.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Part of this show, part of this episode is about, Okay,
what do we do, how we carry? What are the
solutions we have for the conditions that we're in we
wanted to talk about because it's not right, It's not
one solution works for everybody, right, everybody has different situations.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
You've got to find the solution that works for you.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, some people like to carry at three thirty four o'clock,
some people like to carry appendix.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Explain those are familiar.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
So you know, if you look at a clock, imagine
you're facing at twelve and you go one, two, three,
it's on your basically right past your hip, around towards
on your back, maybe towards your kidney. It might be
might be better or easier to call it a kidney carry.
And as compared to an appendix carry, an appendix carry
is in the front. It's but basically just to the

(06:42):
right or to the left of your belt buckle and
you carry in there and then you can carry directly
behind you if you want to. There's a lot of
TV shows that will have everything, that will have people
put it, you know, just sometimes the TV shows just
have them put the gun in their back right above
their bad idea, and that's like, to me, that's crazy

(07:03):
because it's like it's going to be pretty loose unless
you have tight pants, because the whols are is what
keeps it, you know, comfortable back there, especial if you're
running around doing stuff. So a lot of those TV shows,
you know, it's not really realistic, But I like just
task my I like to carry just under my kidney,
if you will, on the right side, that's where I
like to carry. I tried to pendix carry, but I

(07:24):
felt like I was squashing the family jewels too much
with the gun that I chose, so that's I I
went towards the back and that's what I like.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, I agree, I carry right around four o'clock. And
of course it's the idea with carrying. And maybe we're
just getting into this a little prematurely, but uh, in
that position, you know, in any position is so that
once it's set for the day, you don't move it right.
You don't have to slide it forward or backwards. There's

(07:55):
no adjusting, there's no fiddling with it right. It's and
that's part of using the right holster in the right
gun and so forth. And I wanted to get before this.
I lose this. I definitely want to get to this
topic that field tag popped up. I don't want to
get necessarily get to right now. But let's try and
remember to come back to it. That this is, you know,
kind of last resort and anyway, Yeah, let's let's get

(08:19):
back to that at a certain point. But I guess we're
talking about holsters, how to carry, where to carry and
you know, and like Sandra I Sandre who commented, and
holsters are expensive. Yeah they are good. Holsters are expensive
and they should be you know, there's get to get

(08:40):
in real quickly. I mean you can get very generic
ones that fit the a number of different types of models,
and that's not a good idea, not going to be
very secure, not easy to reholster. You know, Field Tack.
He loves leather, I get it. Leather is fantastic. It's
quality is going to last a lifetime, whereas kaydaks and plastic,
those types they can tend to break and they will
tend to break. There's thicker Kaydex or thinner Coidex that

(09:03):
last longer. But uh, it's hard to wear out. Leather.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Well, one of the things I've noticed with my holster
is that this and I don't even put it much
through much. I don't even put it through much, and
I've like I've lost screws and it's like super loose
and the hooks, the hooks that go over my belt.
I only have one screw in each one of those,
and you're supposed to have two in each one of those.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
And so I was talking with.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Many people who've listened to us for a while. No,
Todd Nielsen's been on our show. And if you go
to Nielsen training dot com and it's I think it's
an E N I N E I L s E
N Nielsen training dot Com. Try a couple of variations
if that's wrong. But he has a link to a
pretty decent holster. That's the one I got. And if
you use his code, you get a discount. We don't

(09:50):
have a code, but I'll refer you to somebody who
has a code, because I'm all about codes and saving money.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
And so I saved. I don't know it was.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I bought like a seventy I think seventy eighty dollars
and I got twenty five percent off. So it ended
up being like sixty bucks for the holster that I got.
And what's cool is for me anyways, And if you're
not close to where Todd is or no Todd, then
it's not as good a deal. But for me, Todd
actually has a lot of the parts for these holsters,
and I can just go over there and have him

(10:18):
fix it for me. So that's what I'm looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, And you know certain manufacturers, certain makers don't
make a holster for every single gun out there, right,
and so like with the las, they kind of focus
on glock and more more law enforcement to what they carry,
so they don't have a huge selection. But you got
to go from brand to brand to find exactly what
you're looking for. And I could take this entire hour

(10:42):
and talk about holsters, but I know it'd be incredibly boring.
But just to touch on the leather Kaidex thing real quick,
my favorite holster is a combination of leather and Kaidekx.
This is the inside inside the waistband holster, plastic clips.
It goes on the inside and it's actually the clips
extend out and you can tuck your shirt in around this,

(11:04):
so you can wear a tucked in shirt and still
be concealed, but the clips are exposed. So leather on
the back for comfort kai tex to securely hold the
fire for holstering and for reholstering it. It's so much
easier than trying to squeeze it into some tight leather.
But this is called a hybrid holster. There's lots of

(11:27):
different kinds of lots of different manufacturers. I think for me,
this is the best kind, the most comfortable to go
all day long inside the waistband, and especially with a
larger gun. Right so when I say larger, more like
you know compact or compact, and you could go full
size as well, but not always a big selection of

(11:47):
holsters for full size inside the waistband hybrid.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
When you're shopping.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
When you're shopping for holsters, remember inside the waistband is
iWB and outside the waist is OWB. So those will
be the there'll be the acronym when you go to
look on the site for purchasing, that'll say do you
want iWB or OWB, And that's what that's that's the differentiator.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, actually, real posital quick, Rebecca, you just pointed out
something fantastic here in the comments, Yes, I wish we
had a woman to join us on this conversation because
it is completely different. Like one of the things that
I'm going to bring up in a little bit or
I guess now it's kind of your time as well,
is like not all of us are going to be
able to carry on our belt right with with when

(12:35):
it comes to women, there's we've got on body carry
and off body carry.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
On body carry are things like your OWB outside way
spand or your iWB your inside way Spand there's also
brazier holsters that connects to your brazier or even braziers
that have holsters on them. There's also the standard armpit
holster that you see the old nineteen forties and your
your local friendly neighborhood FBI guy, right, they all seem

(13:03):
to have either. If they're wearing a jacket, it's usually
inside the armpit.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
There's also the high thigh and low thigh holsters, and
there's also ankle holsters, right, So those we've got to
think about all these different options. When you start thinking
about off body, then you've got your your backpack, your purse,
different types of bags and carrying.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Really nice waist like belt, they're they're under the clothes,
their belts.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Under like even spans, So.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I don't have mine on me, and mine's upstairs the
in the safe. I have a Vanish holster, which is
actually it's one of my favorite holsters. And the complaint
everyone gives me is, well, it's hard to re reholster. Yeah,
I've never had a problem reholstering. Right, I train with it.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I train. This one's the easiest though. Right. This is
my stealth gear.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's for a MP nine. It's got all these vent holes,
which are great because I'm a sweaty, stinky guy.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Uh, we all are.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I can't do leather very well because it just gets
sopping wet. I also don't like having everything connecting directly
to my pelt, my belt, my pants, because if I'm
in the bathroom and at a gas station, right, where's where's
my stuff going?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah? And then there's.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Holsters like this one Remorra, which is called a sticky holster, right,
and it's flexible soft. You have the same sweat problems.
It protects the side arm and in this case a
super subcompact. But like you've got to find here's the
thing You've got to find what works for you like

(14:38):
I have. I have a sling back backpack that has
a zipper in the back that I can put my
holster in with my side arm, and that works. But
then I'm forced to carry that with me everywhere I.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Go, Right, I have that for like you, I don't
have a a holster. When I go to church, I
usually wear a suit, and I'm based on what's happened
this last Sunday tour to the LDS Church in Michigan,
I have a lot more propensity to start carrying at church,
and I haven't been because of the waste. The pants

(15:11):
that I wear, the slacks that I wear don't really
have enough, don't. I don't have enough room for my
holster in there, if.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
So I gotta either lose a little bit of weight
and get a little room in there, or find a different.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Using a weight, Paard, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, you know, I got a spare tire there that
could probably be you know, half as big, but I could.
I could probably fix it, figure it out. Or I
have a I actually have a my merse, my man purse,
my merse, I have a over the show. What's a
cross body bag?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
What do they call him? Now?

Speaker 4 (15:44):
So I have a cross body bag that actually is built.
It came from the U s c c A, which
is actually the oh goodness sakes, it's the United States
Concealed Carry Association sorry u SECA. And so they actually
have a little pocket that's perfect for my pistol. So

(16:05):
that's something that I'm gonna probably start to use.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, there's a I mean, so many different ways to carry.
And that's why I like you're saying Paris. I've got
a lot of different holsters that I've tried, and some
have been so terrible I just literally throw them in
the garbage can. Some I cringe at the cost of them.
I think my most expensive ones up to two hundred
dollars at this point. But they are absolutely worth it.

(16:30):
Definitely spend the money. If you have any questions, feel
free to email us whatever. I'm happy to send us
a message, whatever. Give you some recommendations on brands, on types,
depending on the kind of gun you have, how you
want to carry it. Because all holsters are are not equal,
they're made differently. There's dozens and dozens of different companies
that make them, and they're they're all a little bit different,

(16:53):
and they're different because whoever created them said, hey, this
works better for me, the way how close it is
your body, how high it is, how low it hangs.
There's so many different variables on what makes a good holster,
and it's different for everybody, so it's really hard to say, hey,
this one will work great for everybody. But like I said,

(17:13):
you know this is a this brand is Black Arch.
They're actually made here in Utah, so one of the
reasons I really like them. But this is like one
hundred and thirty hundred and forty bucks if you mail,
if you order it online, with shipping and everything. Crazy.
But I have never found anything more comfortable for inside
the waistband. You can get kaiteex inside the waistband, which

(17:35):
are not comfortable at all. I just can't not make
this comfortable. Yes, I can carry it all day, but
I don't like it. And then there's course you could
do an outside the waistband can seal carry as well,
So just because it's outside the waistband doesn't mean you
can't can stal carry it. So as you can see,
this is kind of formed for the body. I've got

(17:57):
a few others over here that are you see how
they're curved to fit your body a little better. They
have different types of clips on the sides. You can
kind of see that fit nice and tight and close
to your body, meant for concealed carry. I can see
this one has kind of recess clips, whereas these are
built into the Kai Dex. And it's just so many

(18:19):
things to explain with the different holsters. Like I say,
it would take forever, but there's it's a good idea
to do a lot of research and read the reviews
before you order it if you're not interested in spending
a lot of money on holsters.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like I have, and try them out, like you're not
gonna know what you like until you've tried out a few.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Unfortunately. Yeah, but they're not returnable, so oh yeah, that's
a bigger problem. Yeah, you couldn't necessarily return it. I mean,
maybe there's something on Amazon you can find, not a
whole lot of great. There are some decent holsters you
can find on Amazon that are inexpensive, and you can
maybe thirty forty bucks and say I'll try this for
forty bucks and if I'm not happy with it, you know,
no big deal.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
But the other thing to think about, too, is that
when you're concealed carry like for me, I have just
a Glock nineteen and the I was thinking the other
day that I wish I had a light, and so
the holster that I have doesn't allow for the light.
So I need to buy a new holster that allows
for a light to go on my pistol so that
I can have And that's I feel. I've just been

(19:22):
told recently that how important it is to get a light,
and so I'm I'm actually going to I'm looking. I
pulled up a website that has some decent light prices
for my gun, and I found some that are pretty good,
and I'm going to be ordering pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
But I just I need a polster now to.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Be able to because there's got to be space in
the new holster for how that light fits.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
And so that's that's good to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
The thing is when you okay, I need a holster
for inside the waistband without a light, inside waistband with
a light, outside of the waistband without a light, outside
the waistband with a light, Yeah, you can get four
different holsters, you know, And so let's talk about I
mean we can talk about lights. I wouldn't worry about
a light Paris. Honestly, I would not worry about a

(20:06):
light on your concealed carry firearm.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Well, Todd was telling me that it's a good idea
to have one.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
So yes, I mean, and this is a big conversation,
but I don't think it's worth it, honestly, and Todd
being law enforcement, absolutely he goes into dark places. I
don't go. I don't go near dark places. I mean,
I'm not out at night any any kind of regularity.
I carry another light with me. It's more than adequate.

(20:31):
That additional bulk inside your waistband. You will notice it,
the weight and the bulk could be uncomfortable. You get
to absolutely have the right hold strew to make it comfortable.
And you're just not gonna use it as often as
you think because you can't use it just to use
it as a light. Right if I keep if because
you can't pull your gonna out and shiny light around

(20:52):
because you need to use your light. Right carry, This
is my opinion, of course, right carry one in.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Your logistical issue, right, well, it's about breaking the law
type of because now you're brandishing.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, Well, you're brandishing, which in Utah is acceptable if
it's for defense purpose, right, If if you're threatened, you
can brandish and UH as a kind of a warning. Right,
But depends on the situation. That and again that's a
whole nother you know topic, we could we could talk
about it.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
I also want to I want to reiterate how I
think it is important what's changed here and Scott shared
about holsters. It's definitely important. I also just want to
reiterate for those of you who might feel overwhelmed with
how how do I pick one? Just pick one? Just
pick one to start. If you like it, you'll keep
it for a little while. If you don't like it,
you'll know and you'll just and you can do that
and you can move to the next one.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
At the end of the day. Gets something.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Something's better than nothing, and don't get paralysis of analysis.
Just get something, because I I had, I just asked
Todd and at the time that was my I said, hey,
what do you think he's like?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I have a discount code for this company. Try it
and see how you like it. And I haven't. I've
bought a couple of the ones. I bought the vanished one.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
I bought a couple other ones that I thought were cool,
but the one that I carry is the one that
originally that I bought from that that I got the
discount colde from Todd and I. And the only problem
is that it's falling apart, so I need to I
need to fix that. But other than that, it's it's
held up for me, and so I don't So, yeah,
you can get into it, and you can do and
that's fine to do that, but if you're also overwhelmed with.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
What should I just do?

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Just get something and go, because you've got to have
something to start. Like, my buddy just bought a gun
for the first time in his life. He calls me up.
He's driving home from the story. He's like, Bear's I
got a gun. I'm like, what did you get? He
told me you got a a P three sixty five
and U a six hour and so I was like
pretty excited for him. And I was like, oh, right, now,
you got to pick a holster. He's like, oh, no,
I got to pick a holster. Like, yeah, you got

(22:45):
to pick a holster. Otherwise how you going to carry it?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
He's like, oh, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
So Anyways, it's just fun to be able to think
about those kinds of things and helping people, especially today
in our world today, where we're seeing a lot more
of this violence, and it's not just unfortunately it is
not staying verbal, it's actually getting kinetic. And like Scott
said at the beginning of the show, it's not a
matter necessarily if it's a matter of when.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, I think one of the reasons why we wanted
to talk about this was was the why, you know,
we have to so, you know, why should I you know,
why should I carry every day? And I think for
everybody on here that's that's pretty obvious. We know why
we should be carrying. Uh, And most people who are
going to watch this afterwards, but you know, to my oh,

(23:31):
my brothers, my neighbors, my friends, who I know for
a fact don't carry, you know. And and with all
the events of this last week, last month, I mean,
the the recent recent days, and and all the warnings
we've seen from the FBI and the oh this other
Department of Defense or whatever about.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
The War Department though, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
War department, whatever, But there's there's more more reasons why.
And it's really hard, it's really impossible to say, hey,
you know what you should be carrying. You know, if
if they don't decide for themselves, if you don't decide
for yourself, you know, there's it's it's just not gonna happen.
There's there's no nothing behind it, right, there's no no. Uh,

(24:21):
you don't if you don't see it, if you're not looking,
you don't see it, You're not gonna see a reason.
And maybe you're scared. Maybe, Yeah, it's it's about ignorance too,
because there's a lot of that that that's really important enough.
If you're not if you don't feel confident, you probably
shouldn't be carrying, right, or you can carry and if
you have set your set your mind on circum circumstances,

(24:42):
circumstances when Okay, if I'm in my car and I
get it, you know, then I can draw my weapon
and so forth. But if I'm out in public and
there's a lot of people around, I have no idea
what I'm doing. Yeah, just get out right, And like
Tech was saying, you know, there's it's kind of the
last last line. It's your last option. There's plenty of
other options, or there's a few other options. That including

(25:05):
you know, learning martial arts and self defense and being
able to defend yourself that way. But also you know
pepper spray and tasers and and I want to say,
those stupid burner guns. Uh, you know pepper pepper ball guns.
I think that gives a false sense of security.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Maybe has a use in a in a very narrow,
narrow need. But uh, but you know, the why is
the most important part, I think, and I feel an
obligation for my first of all, defend my family, not
necessarily myself. I can take care of myself, right, I
can my legs work, I can run, I can, you know,

(25:43):
do whatever. I can throw a punch if I have to,
you know. But but when it comes to taking care
of others, I can't you know, necessarily do it without
do it well without a firearm.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
The other thing I was going to say is that
if you're going to get definitely you want to get
your purchase a firearm. Get the firearm that fits your hand,
the well, practice several of them, Go to the range,
go through a few different styles, see what fits well
and what feels good, and then get that. And then
once you have that opportunity, it's one thing to go

(26:17):
to the range and shoot and get comfortable shooting. That's
definitely highly recommended. However, if you can find a trainer
that's doing or running what you call scenarios, and if
you can run scenarios, you're going to actually be a
lot better trained. One of the things that I took
a pistol course with Todd, and one of the things
I didn't even think about, but he taught us in

(26:40):
that course was when you're looking at at an assailant
or you're looking to take somebody out, you got to
not just don't be looking, don't get tunnel vision, because
if you miss, you're responsible for wherever that bullet lands.
And if that bullet lands, you know, if you're off
by three feet or something because you're a little nervous,
or you pull too hard one way or the other

(27:01):
and it hits somebody that's standing right behind the guy
you're trying to hit, that's you're you're in big trouble.
And so it's important to make sure that you're looking
beyond the target in case those bullets go a little stray,
or even if they go straight through you're you might
have to realize that somebody behind them or to the
side of them might get a little collateral damage, and

(27:23):
you don't want to have any of that. So the
more you train, the better you will you're able to
take those shots at the right time and even discipline
yourself not to take the shot when you have a
clear shot if there's somebody behind or nearby that you
might take out. So I mean, some of these should
talk to some of these.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Stories you hear.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I just remember that one guy, I can't remember where
it was, but there was a guy come in shooting
in them all and like thirty or forty yards away,
this dude takes him out, and so he clearly had
a great shot, he was clearly trained in at least
at the range, and he could do that. So that's
one of the other reasons why you go to the
range is that it gives you that confidence to pull
the trigger and hit the target onto The other part

(28:06):
is that if you're dealing with self defense, you're not
going to have a stationary target.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
You're going to moving targets.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
That's why doing those trainings, there's really good where you're
running scenarios because not only are you moving, but often
the target they have moving up and down. Back and
forth a little bit in the range as that as
you do those training. So it's just get the training
as well as a huge part of being prepared to carry.
And some states you know, have different laws about carrying,

(28:32):
so make sure that you follow the laws about how
to get your concealed carry. I can Utah, you can,
actually can. It's constitutional carry in Utah. You don't have
to have a concealed carry unless you want to be
on government property or schools. And I decided to get
my permit so that I could go. We could get
my kids from school and not have to worry about
getting in trouble. And so that's or even get on

(28:55):
a school ground and help if there's an active shooter
that comes to a school.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I can.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Actually I talked with a couple of folks and they're like, yeah,
you can go and help if you as a dad,
but you've got to be careful for that too, because
you don't want to be mistaken as the as one
of the assailants.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well, yes, you talked about printing. Maybe we get back
to there real quick about yeah, because we talked about
open carry, concealed carry. In some states, brandishing is illegal
and so like California, for example, if you're printing, that
can be considered brandishing and you can get charged. So
it's really important to have a very small handgun or
the right one holsters so that in the right clothes,

(29:36):
so you don't print, you don't brandish. But in Utah,
open carry is legal. Concealed carry is legal without a permit,
but then you can get a permit for like parasaid.
But you know, in California, you know, it's first of all,
get out. Yeah, But so depending on the holster and
the and the size of pistol you decide to carry.

(29:59):
For me, sometimes, if I at the store, I've been
down to pick something up, you know, off a shelf
or something, my shirt lifts up, gets gets rides on
the on the grip of my pistol, and maybe it
shows a little bit. I'm pretty conscious of keeping my
shirt pulled down, but it's not that's not gonna get
me in trouble. And if somebody sees it, yeah, maybe
there they don't know the law, they don't understand. Oh

(30:21):
a gun, gun, gun, I'm scared, right, And that's kind
of the benefit of concealed carry. It's a tactical advantage
so I definitely advocate for concealed carry over open carry,
but we still need to have the ability to open carry.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's interesting I saw a whollsterree years ago that I'm like, oh,
I kind of want to get one of these, because
it would then allow me to appendix carry.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
The problem that I have.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
With appendix carry is the digging and the fact that
you have to stand up to be able to get
to it right. But if it weren't digging right, it
would make more sense. And I saw one that actually
has as when you go to grab it, it has
a clip that you pull up with your shirt and
it pulls a whole holster up oh above your belt line.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
So you can pull it out.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
And I can't remember the name of that wholester, but
I was like, I still want to try it tucked
out of the way. But yeah, printing is is it
is a huge challenge, right depending on where you live.
You've got to know the laws, what you can do
can't do conceal wise, I I've gotten so out of

(31:31):
the habit because I couldn't for so long that now
it's like I'm ultra concerned about printing, about showing right,
mostly because I'm around small kids all the time, and
I don't want them freaking out all the time, right,
or more importantly their friends because my kids know, but

(31:51):
their friends going wa, this isn't safe. I gotta go home, right.
I want my kids to be able to play with
whoever they want to. But like, you have to find
and try and keep trying until you find something that
works for you and then stick with it, right, because
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
I'm out of habit, right, and I've got to retrain myself.
Took me years to get to where I felt normal
caring it all the time, and I'm in the process
of relearning and re getting used to and re being
okay all the time. But that's why, Like for me,
a belly band works much better in my opinion right
now for me. But if I look back at my

(32:30):
entire life, the concerns that I have about reholstering are
probably the last concern I have. And so when I
look at a holster that works for me, like you
need to look at your concerns and you're the things
that make sense for you, right, So for me, reholstering
is the last concern I have because I don't need

(32:53):
to put that weapon away quickly and efficiently. I'm never
going to put it away quickly and efficiently if I'm
still in an engagement, right, And so I don't like
I know, Shane, you push on that real big like
you like being able to be put it away quick
and easy. Like I'd rather just keep it out and

(33:14):
make sure everything's safe and take my sweet time. But yeah,
if I can't quick draw, I can't pull it out quickly.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
That's a huge problem. Well, just posted a link here
to there's one brand called Filster. They have that kind
of belly band, as you say, but combine it with
a Kaitex holster as well, so your weight's not riding
on your pants like you're saying. You go go into
the bathroom and you know in shields, right, Yeah, and
I got I've got a spare mag I've got my

(33:41):
Swiss tool, I've got everything on my belt. And it's
it's difficult to manage because you don't want to take
it off. You take it off, you might leave it,
you know. It's it's not a good idea. It's got
to stay on you all the time. And yeah, it
just it. You have to I just have to manage
with it, right, It's inconvenient.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
But you know I managed when I first started caring,
I had a remor a sticky holster, not this same one.
It's it's up on my other gun in the in
the but it's it's it's great because it sticks to stuff.
It's it's like it doesn't slide easy. But when you're
in if you have to go to the bathroom, guess
where you're putting your gun? In your underwear or in

(34:20):
your pocket like it's it's awkward, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Or on the ground it's not good.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Say that again, or hopefully there's like a counter or
something that you can if it's to someone's house anyways,
but if it's at a public restroom, you got to
you got to put it. You're in trouble with where
you're going to put that again?

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Right, But the end of the day, like the whole
point of this episode is to give you guys a
lot of thought, Like, give you a thought to hey,
there's something you can do that will work. Find what
works for you and go for it. Don't don't keep.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Putting it off. Just go for it. Get used to it.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
It's just like when you when you're trying to get
in shape. You got to you gotta start walking, you
gotta start moving. You gotta get used to the motion
and work up to it. Otherwise you're gonna quit. Same
thing with concealed carry. Find something, try it, test it,
see it, see it. How long you make that work
practice it. That's one of the biggest things that I've
been so grateful for Shane for is He's like, don't

(35:22):
just carry. Practice what you're doing while you're carrying, right,
Practice whole string and rehole string, unhole string, getting into position,
like moving to cover, Like I've done drills in my
home because of this guy over here, Shane, the prepared
guy coaching me to be like, dude, you need to

(35:42):
be doing more. And I'm like, wait what, I just
go to the ranger practice.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Everything. Yeah, and obviously the range is important, but you know,
as I've been, you know, training with Todd, that's extremely
important too. And that's a whole other level. Obviously, there's
the YouTube we can learn. You learn a lot of
good stuff on YouTube. That's where I started. I mean,
that's where I got a lot of my basis of
my learning for you know, for you for drawing properly,

(36:09):
for for grip for trigger, all kinds of lessons, great,
a lot of great stuff on YouTube. Definitely get on
there and look at look for good content. Get to
the range, learn how to how to hit the bull's eye,
how to be accurate, how to shoot fast, and then
you got to put it in practice by by going
to a class, you know, by by shooting in the real,
real world. Right. It's obviously still very controlled and such,

(36:32):
but it's very different than going to the range yourself.
And that's important and you need to do that, you know,
almost weekly, Uh, to stay stay a good shot, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
I think very important thing to remember.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
One of the reasons why I like Todd's training is
and whoever you choose to be your trainer, make sure
that they also teach you how to speak to the
police afterwards. Now, if you have U, S, c c
A or whatever, you have to help, you know for
because you need insurance, you need lawyers, you need some
if you're going to conceal carry, you've got to have

(37:05):
You really need to consider legal legal team that you
that you have access to, because even if you are
completely h you do exactly what you're supposed to do
and is completely self defense. There's going to be some
le potential legal battles that can ensue, so you need
to have some coverage there. But one of the other things, too,
is how to talk to the police properly, because you

(37:27):
don't want to incriminate yourself. And so one of the
things that I love about Todd's training is he teaches
you exactly, you know, after you're done shooting the target
at at even on his courses that he takes you through,
and you're walking this way and walking left, and you're
you're you're just shooting down range, and the thing flips
and is it the right guy to shooter or is
it the wrong guy to shoot? You know, the next

(37:48):
thing flips, you're like, oh, grap, is that the bad
guy or is that the person I'm not supposed to
shoot because they jumped out of the whatever bushes? And
so it's important to say, okay, when the police officers come,
you have to articulate why did you this person and
how many bullets did you use and why and what
was the threat level and what was your reasoning? And
so you got to have some mental mentality around it too,

(38:10):
to articulate why you did what you did and and
one of the things that I haven't experienced yet in
terms of shooting is the adrenaline dump after something like that.
Now I have had adrenaline dumps in my life, so
I kind of under I know what that feels like.
But at the same time, it's different when you just
if you just took someone's life because you had to
defend yourself, that's a different You're you don't you don't

(38:32):
come back from that the same.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Let's just put it that way.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
And so you need to have some not only do
you need to have some training on what to say
in the moment to get yourself articulated properly, but you
might even need to have some therapy afterwards and have
some just recognize that that's a that's a reality for
potentially dealing with taking someone's life. I mean, you, even
in self defense, even if it's completely legit and that
person was going to kill you, it was kill or

(38:56):
be killed, and you took care of you, you got
yourself protected and took them out, it's still going to
have a toll on your life going forward that you're
going to have to remember and just work through.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
So what's your opinion on optics on concealed carry handgins.
I know Paris, you you don't have one right now
on your on your clock.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
No, I feel like it.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
You know, there's a to me on the range. It's
fun because you can kind of reallyase zero in. You
have the time to really look through the optic, you
can kind of see what's going on. But frankly, if
you're if you're in a situation where it's grab and go,
like your point and shoot.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
I don't think I have time to green dot somebody
unless i'm you know, unless I'm unless they're shooting somewhere
else and I can actually take time to aim and
really zeroed in. But even then, I think, if you're
practiced with iron sights, you're gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I think, Yeah, I tend to agree it's it's going
to be especially when you're close. Most events happen within
you know, three to five yards, and so you're basically
that point your point shooting is. So what it comes
down to your training just you're not going to have
time to bring your front side up and put it
on target and then pull the trigger. You're just gonna
pull the trigger. You're at a point in a point

(40:14):
and shoot. And that's one thing I've been continued to debate,
you know, for myself is uh, I do love iron sights.
That's the way I learned that. I carried that for
years and now I have a glock with a co
optic on it, and I really see the benefits to
going with an optic, especially with my eyes. I'm older,

(40:36):
you know, I don't have great I'm near sighted and
so getting you know, if I have to shoot something
more accurately, right, if I have to take have the
opportunity to take the time to be accurate, then I
want that red dot, you know, I want that that
holographic site. It really is quite the advantage for accuracy.

(40:58):
So I'm more leaning that way. However, I think it's
important to learn both. And I think if you start
with steel, you're probably better off if you just start
with an optic. Right, if you're just learning with an optic,
I think you're better off learning steel first. And that

(41:19):
can be debatable as well, but and it can be
harder to then learn an optic after you've learned steel
sites and maybe vice versa as well, But I'm tending
to lean toward optics. Uh, it really is the way
of the future, and they're getting smaller and better and

(41:40):
more reliable and such.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
So I put one on my ar, but that's not
for concealed carry.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
If you can conceal carry that, that's impressive. Right. It
does add you know, like like Joseph says, it adds bulk.
It adds weight, especially if you're going, like if you
need to go to light as and small as possible
and go with a micro nine. Putting a really small
optic on that, it adds a little bulk, a little weight.

(42:06):
But it's also a very small window, and it takes
more time in my in my experience to get get
your eyes on that red dot when you're after you're
drawing it and presenting it than it is just for
point shooting. It's not as instinctive without you know, a
good amount of practice. But then just to have that
option on there, it I still think having a red

(42:28):
dot is going to be a benefit, but it's an
additional cost. It's additional bulk. You got to have the
right holster that accepts an optic on it. It's there's more considerations, definitely.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, that's interesting that you that you're leaning more towards that, Yeah,
I've been the problem.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Part of the problem why I have.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Obviously, one of the reasons why I don't have an
optic on my block is because the slide that I
purchased doesn't allow for it, and in order to get
it to machine it it would then have to take
it and machine it two weeks.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
You know, mail it off and get it back.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
And I'm like, I don't want to be two weeks
without it, and so I'm just going to stick to
what I've got and I go from there. And if
I do want an optic, I'll just buy a whole
new gun that allows for it, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Buy a new slide.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I asked about that.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Where do you can send your slide off to have
it milled to accept? That's probably less than buying a
new slide. But pretty much every you know, if you're
buying a new gun, pretty much every handgun out there
has an option for a red dot right an MOS
system modular optic system on it, so you can use
it or not use it. You don't have to, but

(43:37):
as long as you get one that has it on there,
you can you can try it. If you don't like it,
take it off and then and I've done that a
bunch of times too, like yes, no, yes, no, yes,
especially on the smaller pistols, you know, the subcompact or
micro pistols. Whether I want an optic on that, I'm
still a little bit up in the air on that.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
So so to answer Sandra's question real quick, you can
pretty much put an optic on any gun. However it
has to have like my slide on my gun doesn't
have a place for the optic to rest, and it
has to be milled. There's like a little they mill
out a space for the optic to fit into, and
my slide doesn't have that space. And so for some

(44:15):
reason they built when they built my glock, they that
was the slide that I got when I bought it.
So if you just you can go on any gun,
but you have to have the right you have to
have a meld for it too, if if it doesn't
come already maled for it.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And there are a bunch of different types of optics,
and guns are cut differently and have different thread not
just thread patterns, but how the screws go into the slide,
and so you'll need adaptor plates depending on the gun,
and more and more new guns are cutting their slides

(44:55):
so that they match particular optics, so you don't need
an adapter plate. So that's a I mean, that's consideration
as well. Additional costs for an adapter plate. They can
be you know, fifty to one hundred plus dollars for
an adapter plate, depending on the optic you want. But
choosing the right a good optic is important as well.
I mean, choosing a holster is a good holster is

(45:16):
far more important. But there are a lot of good
optics out there as well. But that's another thing I've
been toying around with, you know, all the different types
of optics, and we could get into that too, but
we're we're running along on time too. But we've still
got time.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I know it could go on and on and on,
but we've still got time. Like I, I keep mind simple,
mostly because I just don't want to spend the extra money.
So I train just off my iron sights, right, All
my iron sights are night site ready, so they've got
the little I forget what it's called, a little glowing

(45:52):
glowing back glow or the tritium.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Tritium.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, that's what I want to get, is tritium but
I just have regularly glowing night sights right works line.
The thing is is, I've never had to use them
in a stressful situation, but I've trained with them and
in the training it's worked. I do need to here's
one of my gaps I knew. I do need to
shoot left handed more often and switch trigger fingers out

(46:19):
because you never know. If something happens to your index,
you're not going to be firing the same and if
you don't practice. That's one of the things I learned
with Noboddy stan stand Prue up up in Ogden with
urban survivors. We've he he made me drill with right
and left hand.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
He made me drill with.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Index right and as well as my ring finger and
I ring finger, my middle finger, my bird finger. I
forget what else to call it, but uh yeah, he
maybe tests on both and man, it's it's not comfortable.
It's not comfortable at all, but right, you gotta work
on it. He also wanted me to do more.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Cold drills, meaning.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Going out when it's zero degrees outside, letting my hands
get really cold, and then trying to operate my side arm,
try to pull out the magazine, pull the slide, off,
put the slide back on, like take apartment it back together,
get used to the motor function skills of when your
hands aren't functioning. Yeah, those those were hard drills.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
It is very very tough handgun course for malfunctions and
uh and such, and it's it is very very tough.
I need to go from offt hand to right hand.
And you know, I wanted to answer this question. Of course,
I like answering questions. You know, Sandra said, what what

(47:51):
do you recommend to carry? Again? What gun do you
recommend for carry? And then field texas there is you know,
it does depend on your in your hand, your grip
size and so forth, and whether how well you shoot
the gun, how it feels, and there's a whole lot
of things to take into consideration, but I think to
keep it brief. You know, when I'm teaching a class
or in a class, it seems like most new students

(48:13):
are bringing in these these sig P three sixty five's
and Smith and Wesson shields, kind of the micro compact
micro pistols, and they're small, they can be hard to shoot.
If they take more practice, they're more snappy, there's more recoil.
They're good guns really are. There's a lot of great guns.

(48:34):
There's a lot of great choices, from the micros to
the sub I mean there's this is like the best
the best time ever to buy again, not just for price.
Price is really good right now, but just your choices
there's fantastic. But all the guns that I've been buying
and going through, from the small micros through the compact

(48:55):
to the to the subcompacts, I think the ideal size
is the compact size, so glock nineteen size, where you've
got fifteen rounds and it could be out a full
size grip. You get your whole hand on it, you
don't have your pinky dangling off there. And you've got
at least a three and a half you know, three
and three quarter inch barrel. Three quarters fine too, but

(49:17):
you know, the glock nineteen is a four inch barrel.
I think that's the ideal size. It's easy enough to conceal.
You know, the glock is about a store an inch thick,
where the micro nines are like an inch thick. So
glock's a little bit thicker, a little bit of bulkier,
but still quite a low profile, easy enough to carry,
easy enough to conceal So I don't feel there's a

(49:38):
need to compromise in going with a smaller gun. Okay,
if you're going to church, you know, I do have
a few smaller guns as well, just for those those
those instances. But like I kind of mentioned at the beginning,
I don't think it's a good idea at least for
me to rotate through a number of different carry guns

(49:59):
unless I have the time to really train on every
single one of them, and I'm one hundred percent confident
that my brain's going to work right under stressful situation,
that I can pull that out and work it properly
and manipulate it properly in a stressful situation. I have
two guns that I rotate through concealed carry that I'm

(50:20):
confident with. Other than that, you know, I'm still I
guess training on others or or really not considering them
to be a daily carry weapon because I'm not one
hundred percent confident with them. I haven't put enough rounds
through them.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I think that's the other part of it is like
if you're not practicing, what good is your side aren't
going to do if you don't know what to do
with it? When a crisis hits. The other part of that,
too is there are times when you can deescalate, and
if you don't know how to de escalate, you're going
to make things worse, right are there are other times

(50:57):
where you just have to engage.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but it's.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Getting more and more likely the way the.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
World is turning.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Like we picked this topic, we had it on the
radar for a while. We picked this topic last week
before anything happened at the church this weekend. And if
you're not familiar what we're talking about, the church that
was shooter or attacked and then burnt down in Michigan,
the Church of Jesus Christ a lot today, Saints Chapel
with people in it. It was brutal, it was disgusting,

(51:27):
it it was horrific. And so because of that, I
changed my personal stance, my personal policy. I don't care
if a church has a policy against caring. Their policy
doesn't trump my rights. And so you have to get
comfortable and do what you feel like you have to

(51:49):
do to protect your loved ones full stop.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Agree And I've I have disregarded that for quite a while,
and I think it's even more important too, right now,
you know it's because what's funny.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
What's funny is that I had a friend. I was
talking to him, my buddy. I was talking to my
buddy today who lives in California.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Still, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
He called me about some he was reading the scriptures
and he's like, Paris, have a question, and you're always
good for a conversation about it. I hadn't talked to
him a long time, so I was really fun to
talk to him. But I said, hey, what do you
think about this? He's like, well, I don't know if
you know this, but a couple of years ago the
area where he lives, there was a little bit of
a conflict and there was some contention and there was

(52:35):
somebody that was making some threats, and so he actually
had one of the leadership said call him on the
phone and say, hey, I'm not telling you what to
do or not to do, but would you mind I
know that you are a lover of the Second Amendment
and we've got a couple of potential threats that we've received.
Would you be willing to be prepared in case anything happens?
Wink wink, hint, hint, you know. And the leader told

(52:59):
him that. He's like, he did tell me what to do,
and he didn't tell me what, you know, the policies are.
He just said, hey, just be prepared, and I can
interpret that how I want. And so I that's how
I interpreted it, where I just I do, I do
what I need to do, and so I was just
I thought that was awesome and I just wanted to
share that.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
So that was kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, I grew up one of my one of my
when I was a kid, one of my good friends,
his dad was in law enforcement at the federal level,
dealing with illegal immigrants, mostly drug cartels. So I won't
tell you agencies or whatnot, but he was never not
armed and everyone when when people found out, like when

(53:38):
my dad and I found out, my dad was like,
well that's good.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
You can't do that at church, He's like, can't.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I I have proven for the entire existence of my
adult life that I.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
In fact can.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
And I was just like, yeah, that's that's yeah, you've
proven it.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
You can.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Cool, and and now you know, not only when I'm
capable and can, I try to carry. But what's interesting
is I've got a guy in my ward who is
very outspoken about it. Former police officer, former marine.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Awesome, awesome, dude. Love the guy to death.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
And he's like, if you see me, I am armed,
And I'm like, here you go, and he goes, and
it's not just one.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
We'll leave it at that. Yeah, I'm often found saying
if you ever see me, wherever I might be, if
you ever see me, I'm armed. Yep. I tell me.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
If I'm not in my house and you see me, it's.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
In my house. If I'm out of bed.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
I usually i'm home all the day, so I don't
usually carry unless I've gone out or I'm going out
that day, then I will.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
But yeah, there's a.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
There's a cartoon, a meme cartoon a while ago where
the guy and the wife are talking and she's like,
why are you carrying all the time and he's like,
you never know who's listening and then he laughs. She laughs,
the toaster laughs. Bam bamah.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I love that, mame. Yeah. So yeah, let's get back
to in field. Tack reminded me about we want to
talk about lasts or we want to talk about uh
other other options. And you know, one thing I've started
doing every day now and and I've I've had pepper spray.
I didn't always have it on my personal I had
it in a bag, but you know, I realized, what

(55:22):
good does that? Do? You know? Am I gonna run
to my bag, earn my vehicle or I've got a
I've got a larger canister. Of course, I got bear
spray in there too. You know, I'm ready with all
that kind of stuff. But now I do carry a
palm pepper spray in my pocket with the clip right
next to my light and that. Of course, the first

(55:43):
you know, you're gonna have to determine what is your
first line of defense for yourself? What you what you're
you're you're good at? What? What your choice? What what
kind of choices you're gonna make before an event happens.
Of course, the first thing is usually if I'm by myself,
I mean, if if I'm with my family, we're going
the other way, right, We're going away from danger. We're
gonna we're gonna run. That's our first first line defense, right.

(56:06):
Of course, DS we can talk about de escalation, which
you know doesn't seem to be a lot of good.
I'm trying to think of the right way to say this.
You know, law enforcement who know how to de escalate anymore.
They're not peace officers, right, they learned how to escalate,
and so we're going to learn how to de escalate

(56:27):
use non lethal I guess you know. Again, it depends
on the situation, right. I was talking to an individual
yesterday and he was out hunting, and he says, I've
been around bears all the time, and typically they'll you know,
they'll take a look and run the other way. One bear,
this one bear just this last week, ran straight at

(56:48):
him twenty five yards away, didn't hesitate, ran straight at him,
and he didn't have time to reach for his pepper spray,
his bear spray which he carries with him. He pulled
out his ten millimeter and dropped it. And that was
his only option, that was and he feels that that
was the only thing. If you if I would have
pulled out the pepper spray, he would have he would
have just knocked me right down. And so it definitely

(57:10):
takes some role play, takes them thinking, Okay, what I'm
in this situation. There's a lot of people here here,
by asking first exit is over here, I've got another
exit over here. I'm sitting with my back to the table.
If something were to happen, what I'm what am I
going to do? Am I going to pull a pepper
spray and try and try and de escalate rather than,
you know, take someone's life? Or do you carry another

(57:35):
weapon like a baton something like that, or a knife?
Are you good with knives? Do you know how to
fight with a knife? Those types of things. So that's
something I think we all need to consider. Okay, what
am I going to do? First? First, we're gonna go
out that door, right, we get the family at that door. Second,
if it's too close, they don't have enough time, maybe
the pepper spray is right, the right choice.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Well, I just remember Patrick Odle, who was one of
the He's an exist fredial martial artist. You do not
want to meet him. His fists should be registered the weapons.
But he says that your fists first, it's your words
will lead you to your fists. Your fists leads you
to your knife. Your knife leads you to your pistol.

(58:16):
Your pistol leads you to your rifle. Like that's kind
of the idea of how things should go in terms
of escalation. And I agree. You know, if you can
talk somebody down off the cliff. That's the first thing.
If you can do a blunt bludgeoning. I mean, Field
tech talks about having a monkey ball and a metal pen.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Those are great.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
And even a pocket knife, you know, everyday carry pocket
knife can be menacing enough for the right person say hey, look,
I got a knife here, and I know how.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
To use it.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
I usually open up the letters with it, but I
can open you up if I have to, you know,
and some people will shy away from that. But if
you like that Bear was he was sounds like he
was on a mission. And if that if all of
a sudden you're sitting in church and somebody drives a
truck through the wall and they open up and they
pull out a gun, there's no de escalating.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
There's no pepper spray in that.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
There's no pepper spray. You go straight for the Don't
bring a gun to a knife fight because you'll be
in trouble with the police. If you're like, hey, this
guy had a knife fight. Necessary, I mean, you can
still do it, but I'm just saying be careful, but
don't bring a gun to a fist fight, because that's
really going to be non lethal a situation, So you
gotta be careful if if what's the threat is the

(59:24):
threat somebody who's just cussing you out, then don't pull
your gun. If they're even if they're punching you, you know,
maybe you can use a knife depending on how what
especially lethal force is okay if there's a disparity in
the size of the threat the threat. For example, I'm
one hundred and sixty pounds soaking wet, so if I
have a three hundred pound dude coming after me punching me,

(59:45):
I'm probably gonna be okay pulling a gun and taking
them out, or even a knife and taking them out,
because to me, that's a that's a disparity that's large
enough that the threat is bigger to me than it
would be to another person maybe or two hundred or
three hundre poun because if they're equal in weight and
they're going at each other head to head, that's a
different scenario.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Like I'm I have to be aware of that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
And women, for sure, if a man is attacking you, women,
you can actually escalate more violently, more quickly because you
need to protect yourself quicker, faster, and against a bigger threat.
In a shorter amount of time, So you've got to
think about those things as well. Especially so if you're
small or you're not as big and somebody's bigger is
coming after you, you might be able to escalate a

(01:00:27):
little faster. But it's definitely a good idea to go
through those steps first as many as you can, because
you don't want to. You don't want to just pull
the gun and go because that's especially if you could
have de escalated, then you're really going to be in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
So in closing, make sure you're doing everything you can
to better protect yourself and your loved ones. It is
your responsibility. You're the first responder in all cases going forward,
So as we close out for the night, remember keep
that head on a swivel, keep yourself safe, avoid bad places,

(01:01:04):
don't go into the dark looking to pick a fight,
but always go ready, always be prepared. You've been listening
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