August 19, 2025 • 42 mins
In Episode 2 we read the unhinged emails Donna sent Wendi as the divorce continued - she talks about ways to torture Dan, offering him money to let the boys move, and more. No doubt these will come in at trial
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What you know, Ali byers. Welcome to another episode of
Pretty Lies and Alibis. I'm Gigi. It's Tuesday, August nineteenth.
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On this episode, I thought what I would do is
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read these emails that Donna sent to Wendy during the
divorce proceedings, just to show her motive as to why
she might want Dan Markel killed, among many others. The
first email is Friday, May third, twenty thirteen, at six
't eighteen pm. The subject is information regarding his memorandum
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of law. Email Dear Wendy. Okay just saw this email
this morning. Obviously, his twenty three page rent was insufficient,
so he's trying to push the court to deny hearing
your petition. Again, I'm not a lawyer. I don't know
if to prevent any action, your attorney must respond or
not only you and she know that, however, and she
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calls him by the derogatory name that they created for him.
Has made his divorce a full time job to attempt
to get what he's always gotten his way. His job
allows for lots of time for him to put into
this project. And you know as well as I do,
that all the research he's done on different case law
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to prove his point is his research, not his attorneys,
no matter who did it. He is quoting thirteen cases
to show why the court should basically throw out your petition.
Is Kristin answering this? Does it require an answer to
make sure that this is not seen by the court
as ignoring his rights? I don't know. You need to
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find out the most important part of your divorce is relocation.
I sincerely hope your attorney understands that this is your
non negotiable that is in all caps. Lots of things
are negotiable. That's the one thing you cannot let her think. Okay, well,
if it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. She needs to
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hear from you how serious you are about this and
how it will benefit the children with a close knit
family support system, as well as your significantly better paying
job with hours much more flexible than your current job,
so that you can spend significantly more time with the children,
which requires teaching hours, office hours, court appearances, meetings with
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med school people, and multiple trips away from home. Those
trips need to be coordinated with a very angry man
who will not be cooperative with you in this regard.
For example, this past weekend you had your annual conference
for in this blank at the same time his regular
NYU crap was taking place. He didn't say, I go
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to NYU every month, and this is your annual meeting.
I'll stay with the children and you go. Of course not.
Danny thinks he's a very important person and as always,
he and his needs come first. This next part is underlined,
so without your parents as backup, one of you would
have had to have stayed home with the children. Your
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attorney needs to understand that your mother worked full time
in the family dental practice until September, when she felt
she was needed by you for the well being of
the children, to get them through a transitional time with
people who love them and see them frequently, and with
whom they share great affection. Your father has made numerous
trips by plane for weekends and changing the patient schedules
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around so that he can continue to spend significant time
with the children. Both the disappearance of your mother from
the position of office manager and the disappearance of your
father from the practice for a significant amount of time
has caused a decrease in the practice income and the
loss of some patients who feel it's either not being
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run the same way as when my mother was there
full time, or that my father is unable to see
patients with problems and has referred them to other offices
during his absence. Additionally, this loss of income affects my
family because my older brother, also a dentist, purchased the
practice from my father in mid July twenty twelve. He
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has a monthly payment to make to my father based
on the sales of the practice. It isn't fair to
him to have dec increasing monthly income statements from the
practice due to my parents spending so much time here
in tallahassee my brother is unmarried and is a wonderful
uncle to Benjamin and Lincoln. If I'm able to relocate
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to South Florida, they will have an incredibly warm and
loving family as an integral part of their lives, not
an occasional two day weekend trip to visit. The next
part says response, and she has brief background one. This
is a no fault divorce state, so his nonsense about
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no marital infidelity or abuse doesn't matter. However, a hot
temper and verbal abuse is what you need to emphasize
that you suffered under his reign. Narcissistic personality disorder causes
major problems in a marriage, especially when one believes that
because he attended Harvard undergrad and Harvard Law, he's clearly
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better and smarter than anyone else, including you. She puts
in parentheses here, only an idiot like him would write
that he should be the only one consulted for making
decisions regarding the health, education, and religion of his children. Clearly,
no one, including you, is as smart as he is
in those regards. That's where the parentheses ends. The money
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you moved into an account for you was exactly half
to the penny of the joint account, which is marital assets.
The furniture you took was the bare minimum, a bed
for you to sleep on from the guest bedroom, one
night stand, and your dresser. You took two chairs that
you bought five years ago at a neighborhood furniture store's
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closeout sale for fifty dollars each. You have receipts to
show all the new furniture you purchased to relocate to
a safe place. You absolutely must emphasize that the only
reason you left when he was out of town is
because of the threat. You'll leave without your children, without
a p and just with the clothes on your back.
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It's super important for the judge to get the message
that this guy is a big bully. I know she'll
be able to read that. When you submit copies of
some of the emails he sent you. He feels if
he said something that's it. Well, that's not it. He says,
you did this while he was on a short business trip.
How about the many trips to conferences, etc. This man
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has taken how much time away from his family? You
have all those documented. Now you need to sit down
and figure out how many days away that's been. How
about adding all that to his two week trips to Israel,
especially when you are at the end of your pregnancy.
Sweet caring, concerned husband, he talks about not knowing where
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the children were. She puts in parentheses in correct address
for the first six weeks. Let the court know that
although he was never particularly interested in the children prior
to the divorce, he was advised to keep a diary
and make sure that he shows his interest now. You
arranged to meet him the very next day with Alan
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and Lynn Grossman, mutual friends, and the children at a
local yogurt shop so that he could see the children
were fine. You were in fear of his temper and
so you did not want to reveal your address. However,
four days after the separation, you arranged to bring the
children to his house and his parents were going to
be in town and they were there for the rash
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Hashana holiday with them. The following week, on one of
his uninvited treks to your office, after he threatened you
with federal kidnapping charges, which of course now he recants
like he does anything he can't believe he actually did.
You gave him your address. That was one week after separation,
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not six weeks he says you took non marital assets.
What he says The children were three and one at
the time this took place. Ben was three and Lincoln
was twenty three months, one month before his second birthday.
New slash Donna still one. He talks about your both
being well paid professors with stable jobs. Yours is not
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a tenure track job, and with the economy as it is,
there is no guarantee it will be there in the future.
His trash talking you to various faculty members about your
mental instability has also poisoned your work environment, making it
extremely difficult for you to continue to function there in
the same way as you previously did. Your job also
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pays you half of what his job pays, so on
your own it's not feasible to continue to live, even
in the home you are currently renting. You have borrowed
a considerable amount of money from your parents and must
repay it for furniture, legal fees, moving expenses, et cetera.
My parents have paid all grocery bills up to this point,
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for which I will also have to reimburse them. I
do not want to dip into the money from our
marital account, as that will go towards supporting my children
and their future. According to and she uses the derogatory name,
the relocation must show that the current arrangement for the
children is deficient from the perspective of the children, and
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that relocation would advance their interests. This is something we
have reviewed numerous time and other papers. Wendy review all
that we've put together in this regard rather than have
me repeat it. Obviously, the number one reason is significantly
more income for you in a job that will also
give you significantly more time with the children. For children
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at this tender age, nothing is more important than spending
quality time with them, which your current job does not permit.
The financial freedom which will accompany this job will allow
you to provide educational and outside activities and lessons or
the boys that would not be affordable under your current salary.
Number two, the ability for our children to spend quality
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time with my parents and my mother, a retired elementary
school teacher, would be a huge bonus to our children's
academic and social progress. In my parents' home, each child
currently has and would continue to have their own rooms
with appropriate beds, furniture, books, and toys. Mister Markel has
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become a religious zealot over the last few years since
the birth of our first son, taking him to synagogue
with him as an infant so that he can absorb
the music and the prayers. He has done the same
with our second son. This is also to show the
congregation what an attentive father he is. The fact remains
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that the children are watched by teenage children of other
congregants in a sort of playroom while the services are
going on. Mister Markel picks one of them up and
comes back out at certain parts of the service to
hear particular hymns, and then returns them to the care
of babysitters. This is done rather than allowing them to
remain home with me, and when I protested, he insisted
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he always gets his way. There are no Hebrew schools
in Tallahassee. Mister Markel seems intent upon religious training, but
feels that only he could provide the best religious training
for our children. He is indoctrinating them, not teaching them.
If he truly cared about a religious school for them,
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then clearly one of the thirty seven Hebrew day schools
in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach County would be a
better choice for our boys. My home in Broward County
is close to many of these schools and midway between
Dade and Palm Beach schools. I hope your attorney is
researching cases when relocation was granted and what the circumstances were. Also,
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all cases are different, and because one case didn't allow
it doesn't mean that he should prevent another case from
receiving that benefit. Danny has said on numerous occasions she
puts in parentheses one I have on my phone as
a saved message. What wonderful grandparents and in laws we've been.
He knows that the children are very close to us
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and we would always be there to take care of them.
What's going to happen in June when he wants to
go to three different conferences, she puts in all caps,
don't let him go. If you do, you're enabling and facilitating.
You're staying in Tallahassee. You'll be showing him that. Anytime
he is a meeting he wants to go to, that's fine,
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You'll watch the boys. That's the whole point of relocation
for you and the children. He can continue to attend
all the meetings he wants to go to and then
arrange for frequent and extended visitation with the boys. Maybe
some of the money he spends on his trips can
be used to visit the boys. Another she puts in
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quotes bribe to get him to a low relocation should
be the offer of plane tickets, since he does have
family that would allow him to use their homes to
stay in. But obviously that's a last ditch effort if
all else fails. He's trying to show the court that
your request is frivolous and that you should have to
pay for yours and his court costs in this plea,
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your lawyer has to let the court know that it's
anything but frivolous and isn't he also supposed to pay
some of your regular legal fees. This bastard has not
paid one cent towards your bridge gap alimony. Why why
only two months of a child support payment over an
eight month timeframe, loving, caring father that he is. Do
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you need information on grocery bills? I have a good
many of them and can show the court what has
been costing just for that with no support from the
derogatory name. Also find out from Kristen if she wants
you to pass back now or wait what's best for
your case. I'm too angry to write any more. I'm
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going to shower, wash my hair, and get ready for
you and the boys to come home. Dad said he'd
look up any papers tonight or over the weekend that
you might need. He even has the information on what
Danny had in his ir and four to oh one
k prior to marriage. Love you, mom. So the one
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thing that stands out to me is her writing these
emails as if she is Wendy talking to her attorney
or the court. Just a huge overstep and really obsessive
and crazy. Let's move on to the next email. This
is from Tuesday, June twenty fifth, twenty thirteen, written at
nine point fifty nine pm. It says, Hi, honey, okay,
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just like it says on your necklace, never never, never
give up. It's time for action. It's time to take
control of your life and not let derogatory name think you.
He's won anything by having you remain in Tallahassee, eight
hours away from the only family you have and lose
out on what will be a job that will afford
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you and your children advantages. They will never otherwise be
able to enjoy. Let's show this effort what will make
him absolutely miserable. You know his weak points, money, religion, control.
You have five weeks before your court date. I know
you have a job that keeps you very busy. However,
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and she underlines and puts this in bold, the rest
of your life and consequently Dad's, mine, and yes, even
Charlie's will be affected by how well you can perform
and act before July thirty. First, you can be a
good actress when you want to. I've seen you in action.
You need to put on the performance of your life.
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Derogatory Name hasn't beaten the Ageleson family yet. You have
a very strong family behind you. Just remember that Dad
and I have done everything we could to try to
help you for the last ten months. Now it's time
to help yourself. We believe that you will be able
to make this happen if you can put these actions
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before everything else this next month, and you know that
you've only got the kids a limited number of days
to do this. We believe Derogatory Name will be saying
stop this, and you'll be telling him you wanted me
in tallahassee my children are going to fit in in
this Bible belt. They're going to church every time I
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have them, I'm having them privately tutored at home to
get them caught up for the Sunday school classes that
I've registered them in for the fall. This class time
coincides with the service I'll be attending. Tell him that
you've got a new outlook on life and a new hope,
and you'd like to go to heaven. Perhaps he would
like to join you and the boys at church. The
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next section is plan of action Number one. Take a
photo of the boys dressed nicely, standing at the front
door or by the sign of a Tallahassee church. Then
change your Facebook status to a photo of this one
so everyone will see this. Perhaps a line under the
photo with new beginnings in Tallahassee might be nice. Within minutes,
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derogatory name should either see this or will be getting
calls from his friends and acquaintances about this. Hmm, how
happy do you think he will be? Number two, Make
arrangements to get the boys caught up with a private tutor.
She puts in parentheses teenage Catholic church member who will
come to the house to teach the young men about Jesus.
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If you don't have time to arrange for this to happen,
I will happily do it for you. She or he
will serve as a good babysitter assistant for you while
you're preparing dinner, etc. Let direct prougatory name know that
your children will be baptized in the Catholic Church and
you'll certainly invite him to the event. Let him know
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that the Catholic Church is a big part of your
life now with the boys, and you'd like him to
be a part of it. As long as he wants
you to remain in Tallahassee. The boys will be involved
with you in church related activities and ceremonies. Let him
get used to it. I've already checked this out and
a baptism can be arranged within two weeks. We can
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send out evites to Derogatory name, his parents, sister, and
anyone else you want to invite. Or I'm looking into
summer camp programs for the boys. We will pay for it,
even if the boys end up going only the few
days that they're in Tallahassee. On the days you have
them prior to the hearing. Number five, register them for
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toddler classes at church. I've looked into this, and even
if they don't go, we can show derogatory name that
they are enrolled for the fall semester and you cannot
tell anyone this is an act. Somehow it will get
back to derogatory name in all caps. It says, take
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control from him, get to him psychologically. He's going to
want you to stop this. Wendy. You've been through a
very difficult year. You've had to make a huge decision.
You did that, it was the right decision. Now you
have one final opportunity to make him angry. We want
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him ticked off so he realizes that he could lose
control over his kids. We plan to make a financial
offer to him to allow this relocation. You need to
work on this plan and will help you through it,
so it may affect how much we will offer him.
Maybe he'd be willing to let you relocate if he
knew his children would attend a private Hebrew academy like
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Donna Klein in Boca, or perhaps like them to invite
him to a Christmas party at their other Sunday school.
You have a little over three weeks till mediation. Let's
get this going now. I know you would never want
to think that you don't do absolutely everything you could
to try to come down to your family between living
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down here and having a job that will give your
children the lifestyle they deserve. Your life now and for
sure in the future, will be significantly better. Gary told
us he is not going to hire anyone until after
your court hearing and after we try to make a
financial offer to Derogatory Name. We don't want Danny to
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continue his religious influence over these children any more than
what he's already done. If he keeps this up, they
won't want to eat in your non kosher home, and
if they see you don't want to attend their shoal functions,
you'll be the outsider. As they get older and more
involved under Derogatory names religious influence, they will be able
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to request which parent they want to live with. Don't
allow Derogatory Name to have this power and control over them,
then in reality, he's going to have the same control
over you. Dad and I have changed our lives this
past year to support and assist you and the boys
in every possible way. Charlie has accepted the loss in
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the office business income for us to do this because
he loves you and wants only the best possible future
for you. It's time for you to show us that
you can put on the performance of your life for
the next few weeks. Please call us after you read this.
We're waiting to talk to you. If you have any
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other ideas to make a last chance for relocation happen,
Please let us know. We send this letter with our
love and only the best intentions. Mom and Dad. The
next email Thursday, June twenty seventh, twenty thirteen. This was
sent at one twenty two pm. Dear Wendy, since neither
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one of us feels up to talking, let me share
with you what we're all feeling as far as your response.
When I wrote to you this morning, we felt that
you had reasonable thoughts as to what the judge might
do or say or think regarding the charade we had
hoped you would participate in. However, the more we think
about that, we begin to realize that you and we
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have no idea what this judge will do or say
or think. We would have thought, after paying an attorney
six hundred dollars per hour for ten months, she would
take an hour and a half of testimony, not even
bothering to call Derogatory Name to the stand and decide
that family support for very young children evidently means nothing,
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and a job that pays ten times what you're unsecured, untenured,
and dependent upon state budget cuts job pays in Tallahassee
will be just fine you and your children. Does she
care that after expenses you'll save next to nothing at
the end of the year. Does she care that very little,
if any, will be put away for the children for
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their current and future education. Does she care that extracurricular activities,
sports trips, eating out into restaurants will always be a
financial challenge for you to provide for the boys. Clearly
she did not take into consideration the future earning potential
and benefit for your children. She didn't care that there's
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no backup support system when one of your preschoolers is sick.
All she cared about was if the father hasn't been
pulling out their toenails, you should give up any financial
betterment for you and your children and raise them in
a better place that you agreed to go to. Because
Derogatory Name only had FSU as a job offer, of course,
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as a graduate of FSU Law School and a native
of Tallahassee, she sees nothing wrong with living there. Obviously,
as a native of South Florida, you know better. Our
point is, it's obvious that you and Kristen haven't figured
out the judge so far. So we're both shocked at
the rapid decision based on nothing that was presented. So
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how do you think at this point you can figure
out what the judge will say regarding your decision to
introduce Christianity into the boys' lives. People go to prison
and change their religion all the time. People go through
difficult times and find Jesus. Jesus was Jewish, he had
positive teachings, He gives people hope, and best of all,
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you get to go to Heaven in the end. Sounds
good to me. Obviously it will sound good to Judge Hobbes.
She goes to church. There were multiple donations from her
church pastors and ministers on her financial contributions website. She's
a southern black lady. How do you know it won't
be music to her ears to hear this. The next
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section some possible options on Judge Hobbes's decision regarding Jewish
holidays with the boys, as far as losing the children
on the Jewish holidays. There are a couple of alternatives
to this. First of all, it may happen, but unlikely
he's entitled to half the holidays and alternating those holidays
each year with you. You may be interested in the
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teachings of Jesus, because Derogatory Name has certainly ruined being
Jewish for you in the extreme way he practices it. However,
if the judge questions how much of the Jewish holiday
you can have, you explain that your parents and brother
are Jewish and they will be coming to Tallahasse to
spend those holidays, or the half that you're entitled to,
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or perhaps even the sixty percent you're entitled to with
the boys. Secondly, what if, by some crazy stance, the
judge says, okay, Derogatory Name can have all the Jewish holidays.
Then if our bribe doesn't work, you tell him in
the school year that you'll take the kids out of
Sunday school at church and cancel their upcoming baptism if
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he shares those dates with you, if not, keep them there. Third,
since there is a separation of church and state, she
will just go by whatever schedule you are given and
tell you to work out any holiday arrangements between yourselves.
Who declares which are legitimate holidays and which aren't. Shimminy
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at zerit. Obviously the court isn't out to help you.
It's clear since Judge Hobbs's last ruling that says she
could care less about anything you had to say in
your behalf. She puts in bold, you need to help yourself.
You know, Wendy, most of the wars that have been
fought for the last couple of thousands of years have
been over religion. Charlie brought up a good point when
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he said that Americans were dropped behind enemy lines during
World War II wearing Nazi uniforms to get what they wanted.
They had a job to get done, and they did
with needed to do to accomplish it. She puts in bold,
you have a job to get done in a very
short timeframe. To accomplish it. If you dressed your kids
up in Hitler youth uniforms and brought them down here,
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I could care less if it was an act of
defiance and would show derogatory name that he is not
in control. If your children are baptized, it doesn't make them. Christian,
Ben and Lincoln aren't really pirates because they dress up
like Jake the Pirate. It's an act, she puts in
bold here. You got into this mess with derogatory name
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by being so compliant and non confrontational with him. If
you just keep paying your attorney her six hundred dollars
per hour and don't fight for what you want, you're
no better off than if you stayed married to him. Sure,
you got rid of being unhappy in a marriage, so
you don't have to live under the same roof, but
he'll still be in control of everything, including what he wanted,
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sole controls of the boy's religious lives. Why let him?
Why not stand up to this effort? Why not fight?
We're not talking about a lifetime of this. You have
the boys a very limited number of days before the
mediation takes place. This is all part of an act.
Please rethink this. We're all willing to help you accomplish this,
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and that's all it is, Wendy, an act, an act
of defiance that will put a scare into this jackass.
It will infuriate him. It won't infuriate a judge that
you found Jesus. She can't comment on your religious views.
The next section all caps bold and underlined. You need
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to see the big picture. You need to look into
the future. What a life without your only family nearby?
Teaching in Tallahassee with Danny always in the picture will
give you It's not a pretty picture. We want to
see you help yourself. Not everything one has to do
in life is comfort or easy. Sometimes it's ridiculously hard
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but derogatory. Name has tried to aggravate and screw you
since day one of this divorce, his vicious emails, his
defiance with doctor Pam's directions on asking him not to
come to the school every day when he doesn't have
the boys. Is not allowing you to pick the children
up one hour earlier to drive to Atlanta is bad
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mouthing you to the faculty. Get the school you will
be working at. Everything he does is done with malicious intent.
Why can't you do this for the few days that
you have the boys prior to the mediation? You know him,
You know which buttons to push. He certainly knows how
to push your buttons. Takes something from him right now
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He's got everything just the way he wants. We need
to take something from him. In order for him to
negotiate it back. This is your chit. It's chit. The
extremism that Derogatory Name is already teaching the boys is
nothing more than brainwashing. Religion is brainwashing. It's control of
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the masses. It affects who your friends are, what activities
you do, how you eat, how you dress, how you pray, everything.
There is no doubt you will have two little orthodox
young men on your hands with the only religious influence
over them being Derogatory Name. He's already got them thinking
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that people who eat shrimp are bad, hot dogs are disgusting,
lobster is gross. Wait Ben's not even four years old.
Wait till he's eight. You're not teaching them anything different.
You don't teach them that on Saturdays they can go
to soccer or any regular organized sports activity, or even
swim lessons. You let them play in the park or
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in the house. Derogatory Name has an organized plan that
he's been doing pretty much ever since they were born.
Schul Schul, Schul, Schul. Every Saturday morning that he has them,
Schul for every Sunday that he has them Schuel for
every holiday, school parties, Schuel, Schul, Schuel, that will be
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their life. We don't want you to be the outsider
who doesn't join in what the rest of the family
is doing. By the way, a school is another word
for a synagogue, Wendy, this is all about negotiating. After
consulting with two attorneys who are both excellent negotiators, one
of whom we will most likely hire for the financial offer,
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we are getting the same advice. You must take something
from him that he wants. When you intelligently negotiate in mediation,
you pretend you want the house, even if you don't.
You pretend you want the car, even if you don't.
You pretend you want the ring, even if you don't care.
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You pretend you want the kids in Catholic school, even
if you don't. It's just the business of clever negotiation.
It's not what you are we are familiar with, but
people in business do it all the time. Both attorneys
have said that this is how you get what you want.
If you can't take anything from him, then what we
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do is just the financial offer. It's just not as good.
And then look at it this way, what's the downside.
Worst case scenario is the judge does give him the
Jewish holidays. Then after a short period of time, you
offer him taking the kids out of Catholic school if
he shares the holidays, or have a stipulation that holidays
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need to be reviewed yearly. You have a smart lawyer.
She knows that all kinds of stipulations and temporary arrangements
can be made at a divorce. Wendy, you don't manipulate people.
You're a sweet, caring person. Derogatory name is a manipulator.
You just need to play a role. What you're doing
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is jockeying for position in the end. If you do
this and it doesn't get the results we're all hoping for,
then you can't blame yourself. You can feel good that
you did everything you could. I'm not saying that we're
going to continue with hiring an attorney to negotiate and
make a financial offer. I don't think you realize the
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type of offer we're considering. We're planning on you, Charlie
and Dad and I going as high as equal parts
in a one million dollar offer. That's three hundred and
thirty three thousand from each of us. Obviously, the more
chits on our side, the better chances are that we
won't have to go that high. You have to show
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us that you're doing your part in this too. We're
a team. We can't possibly do this without your help.
One of the possibilities in lieu of that much money,
obviously we start much lower, is offering not just taking
them out of church, but negotiating a settlement which could
possibly offer both boys private education at the Donnaklin Hebrew
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Day School in Boca. It may include monthly airline tickets
to South Florida for as long as he lives in Tallahassee.
He may stop and think that if he can get
a job in a city he'd prefer to live in,
it would be an easy flight to see his children.
He loves living in South Florida teaching At his current schedule,
and with a big chunk of money, he could live
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down here and for the twenty six weeks per year
that he teaches and fly two days a week to Taai,
he would have frequent and liberal visitation. You're not looking
to remove him from their lives. He needs to understand
that the negotiating lawyer will work with him with his
school teaching schedule. He could see his children here a
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significant amount of time. His child support would be much less. Also,
the attorney who will be doing the negotiating will also
lay it out on the line for him what the
various payment offers would be worth to him in the
fifteen to eighteen years when he may want to retire.
The amount is huge. This payoff can put him at
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that point without any additional income of his own in
the four million dollar range, certainly nothing he had ever
saved in ten lifetimes. If you try this, you really
will not be any worse off than if you do nothing.
So what's preventing you from just trying? I don't know
how much of the big picture you're seeing, honey. I
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don't know if you realize that not only what you
can provide for your boy's life, but for your own
life all depends on this change. Aside from living in
a far better city with family a personal history there,
and you'll also have a greater opportunity to meet people
for your future. I'm sure there are many lovely women
who are teachers divorced with two children. You can be
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a highly successful, highly compensated attorney who is independent and
not in need of some want to marry you to
help support your two children. You can have someone cleaning
your home, a nanny to help with your children, a
lifestyle in which you and your boys can travel. This
is a once in a lifetime opportunity to really turn
your life around and make a positive difference in the
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lives of your children. Your expenses with the boys now
are minimal. Wait until you see how expensive everything is
in the future for them. We don't want you, and
I wouldn't imagine you'll want to live paycheck to paycheck.
Teenagers eat more than the yogurt these boys eat. Now
everyone has a price. Now is the time to start.
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You said, this divorce is not about winning and losing.
That is not a competition. You've already lost relocation according
to the legal system. Well, it is about winning and losing.
We're trying to get a win. You deserve it. You
deserve so much more than a life without family teaching
in Tallahassee, life is tough. If you don't stand up
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and take a chance, you don't stand a chance. Please, Wendy,
do your part and stand up to him. Make an
effort to do this so that our group offer will
stand a better chance at being accepted. Don't let his
temporary move to Tallahassee ruin your entire life. We all
want the same thing, a better emotional and financial life
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for you and for the boys all the way around.
You know, Grandma was one tough and very smart lady.
I think about her all the time, and I think
about what advice this very intelligent woman, a wonderful reader
of people, who loved you more than words could ever express,
would say to you. Should tell you to fight with
every bone in your body, fight for yourself, your boys,
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and for the best possible life you could have. We
know that's true. Fight for yourself, Wendy. We'll be there
to help you. Just don't tell us that what you
need to do now is move forward with a sense
of peace that's giving up. I don't believe that's really
what you want to do. After all we've been through together,
and when you're literally a few weeks from this being
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over written with hope and love Mom and Dad. All right.
The last email we're going through this was written at
February eighteenth, twenty fourteen, the subject information for your lawyer
when it comes to depot on Danny Honey. Okay, your
attorney must depot elvis to see if any of the
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retirement accounts that Elvis has ever had a check written
from them during the course of your marriage. If any
of them were funded through any joint assets like your
mutual Schwab account, or in any way passed through joint
financial accounts, then you are entitled to a portion of
those accounts. Even if nothing was ever done improperly on
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these accounts. And he has some very large retirement accounts,
Let's aggravate him the way he's trying to aggravate you,
and make him do the research and show statements from
every month from the date of your marriage to the
date of the filing of the divorce. You need to
see whatever he deposited into those accounts where the money
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came from. It's very possible some of it came from
your joint Schwab account. And then he's up poops creek.
Why shouldn't he have to do this? It is what
I mentioned to Kristen in court yesterday, and she nodded
her head. Now she needs to do something about it.
It just seems ridiculous for him to be able to
depot you, but for you and Kristin not to give
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him the same crap he's pulling on you. It's time
to give it to him. Also, what can your attorney
do to be proactive to give him some grief. It
seems like you're always on the defensive, but I don't
see her doing anything offensive. I was really surprised that
you didn't speak with her prior to meeting her in court.
Can't you meet with her and work out a plan
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of attack or some sort of strategizing so you know
what you're up against and what else he can do?
When is there an end to the litigation and waste
of the court's time and your time and your financial
obligation to your attorney. It's really important to get the
parenting coordinator to either testify or be brought to deposition,
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perhaps by your attorney, so that we can get her
to request that Elvis be core ordered for psychological testing.
And if he's this off, perhaps he should not be
permitted to take the children out of the country. What
happened with the dean? Any help or do you need
to proceed to the provost? Something has to be done
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with this ahole. Call us if you feel up to
it tonight. If you're too tired, then call us in
the morning after you leave the boys at school if
you can love you mom and dad, so you can
see there in these very link the emails, Donna's obsession,
inserting herself at every turn and also just suggesting things
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that were mean in nature to torture Dan. I think
this all lends to motive as to why Donna is
currently on trial for his murder. So that's it for
this episode. We'll see soon
What you know, Ali byers. Welcome to another episode of
Pretty Lies and Alibis. I'm Gigi. It's Tuesday, August nineteenth.
Hope you guys are having a good day so far.
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On this episode, I thought what I would do is
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read these emails that Donna sent to Wendy during the
divorce proceedings, just to show her motive as to why
she might want Dan Markel killed, among many others. The
first email is Friday, May third, twenty thirteen, at six
't eighteen pm. The subject is information regarding his memorandum
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of law. Email Dear Wendy. Okay just saw this email
this morning. Obviously, his twenty three page rent was insufficient,
so he's trying to push the court to deny hearing
your petition. Again, I'm not a lawyer. I don't know
if to prevent any action, your attorney must respond or
not only you and she know that, however, and she
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calls him by the derogatory name that they created for him.
Has made his divorce a full time job to attempt
to get what he's always gotten his way. His job
allows for lots of time for him to put into
this project. And you know as well as I do,
that all the research he's done on different case law
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to prove his point is his research, not his attorneys,
no matter who did it. He is quoting thirteen cases
to show why the court should basically throw out your petition.
Is Kristin answering this? Does it require an answer to
make sure that this is not seen by the court
as ignoring his rights? I don't know. You need to
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find out the most important part of your divorce is relocation.
I sincerely hope your attorney understands that this is your
non negotiable that is in all caps. Lots of things
are negotiable. That's the one thing you cannot let her think. Okay, well,
if it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. She needs to
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hear from you how serious you are about this and
how it will benefit the children with a close knit
family support system, as well as your significantly better paying
job with hours much more flexible than your current job,
so that you can spend significantly more time with the children,
which requires teaching hours, office hours, court appearances, meetings with
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med school people, and multiple trips away from home. Those
trips need to be coordinated with a very angry man
who will not be cooperative with you in this regard.
For example, this past weekend you had your annual conference
for in this blank at the same time his regular
NYU crap was taking place. He didn't say, I go
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to NYU every month, and this is your annual meeting.
I'll stay with the children and you go. Of course not.
Danny thinks he's a very important person and as always,
he and his needs come first. This next part is underlined,
so without your parents as backup, one of you would
have had to have stayed home with the children. Your
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attorney needs to understand that your mother worked full time
in the family dental practice until September, when she felt
she was needed by you for the well being of
the children, to get them through a transitional time with
people who love them and see them frequently, and with
whom they share great affection. Your father has made numerous
trips by plane for weekends and changing the patient schedules
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around so that he can continue to spend significant time
with the children. Both the disappearance of your mother from
the position of office manager and the disappearance of your
father from the practice for a significant amount of time
has caused a decrease in the practice income and the
loss of some patients who feel it's either not being
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run the same way as when my mother was there
full time, or that my father is unable to see
patients with problems and has referred them to other offices
during his absence. Additionally, this loss of income affects my
family because my older brother, also a dentist, purchased the
practice from my father in mid July twenty twelve. He
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has a monthly payment to make to my father based
on the sales of the practice. It isn't fair to
him to have dec increasing monthly income statements from the
practice due to my parents spending so much time here
in tallahassee my brother is unmarried and is a wonderful
uncle to Benjamin and Lincoln. If I'm able to relocate
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to South Florida, they will have an incredibly warm and
loving family as an integral part of their lives, not
an occasional two day weekend trip to visit. The next
part says response, and she has brief background one. This
is a no fault divorce state, so his nonsense about
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no marital infidelity or abuse doesn't matter. However, a hot
temper and verbal abuse is what you need to emphasize
that you suffered under his reign. Narcissistic personality disorder causes
major problems in a marriage, especially when one believes that
because he attended Harvard undergrad and Harvard Law, he's clearly
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better and smarter than anyone else, including you. She puts
in parentheses here, only an idiot like him would write
that he should be the only one consulted for making
decisions regarding the health, education, and religion of his children. Clearly,
no one, including you, is as smart as he is
in those regards. That's where the parentheses ends. The money
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you moved into an account for you was exactly half
to the penny of the joint account, which is marital assets.
The furniture you took was the bare minimum, a bed
for you to sleep on from the guest bedroom, one
night stand, and your dresser. You took two chairs that
you bought five years ago at a neighborhood furniture store's
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closeout sale for fifty dollars each. You have receipts to
show all the new furniture you purchased to relocate to
a safe place. You absolutely must emphasize that the only
reason you left when he was out of town is
because of the threat. You'll leave without your children, without
a p and just with the clothes on your back.
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It's super important for the judge to get the message
that this guy is a big bully. I know she'll
be able to read that. When you submit copies of
some of the emails he sent you. He feels if
he said something that's it. Well, that's not it. He says,
you did this while he was on a short business trip.
How about the many trips to conferences, etc. This man
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has taken how much time away from his family? You
have all those documented. Now you need to sit down
and figure out how many days away that's been. How
about adding all that to his two week trips to Israel,
especially when you are at the end of your pregnancy.
Sweet caring, concerned husband, he talks about not knowing where
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the children were. She puts in parentheses in correct address
for the first six weeks. Let the court know that
although he was never particularly interested in the children prior
to the divorce, he was advised to keep a diary
and make sure that he shows his interest now. You
arranged to meet him the very next day with Alan
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and Lynn Grossman, mutual friends, and the children at a
local yogurt shop so that he could see the children
were fine. You were in fear of his temper and
so you did not want to reveal your address. However,
four days after the separation, you arranged to bring the
children to his house and his parents were going to
be in town and they were there for the rash
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Hashana holiday with them. The following week, on one of
his uninvited treks to your office, after he threatened you
with federal kidnapping charges, which of course now he recants
like he does anything he can't believe he actually did.
You gave him your address. That was one week after separation,
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not six weeks he says you took non marital assets.
What he says The children were three and one at
the time this took place. Ben was three and Lincoln
was twenty three months, one month before his second birthday.
New slash Donna still one. He talks about your both
being well paid professors with stable jobs. Yours is not
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a tenure track job, and with the economy as it is,
there is no guarantee it will be there in the future.
His trash talking you to various faculty members about your
mental instability has also poisoned your work environment, making it
extremely difficult for you to continue to function there in
the same way as you previously did. Your job also
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pays you half of what his job pays, so on
your own it's not feasible to continue to live, even
in the home you are currently renting. You have borrowed
a considerable amount of money from your parents and must
repay it for furniture, legal fees, moving expenses, et cetera.
My parents have paid all grocery bills up to this point,
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for which I will also have to reimburse them. I
do not want to dip into the money from our
marital account, as that will go towards supporting my children
and their future. According to and she uses the derogatory name,
the relocation must show that the current arrangement for the
children is deficient from the perspective of the children, and
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that relocation would advance their interests. This is something we
have reviewed numerous time and other papers. Wendy review all
that we've put together in this regard rather than have
me repeat it. Obviously, the number one reason is significantly
more income for you in a job that will also
give you significantly more time with the children. For children
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at this tender age, nothing is more important than spending
quality time with them, which your current job does not permit.
The financial freedom which will accompany this job will allow
you to provide educational and outside activities and lessons or
the boys that would not be affordable under your current salary.
Number two, the ability for our children to spend quality
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time with my parents and my mother, a retired elementary
school teacher, would be a huge bonus to our children's
academic and social progress. In my parents' home, each child
currently has and would continue to have their own rooms
with appropriate beds, furniture, books, and toys. Mister Markel has
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become a religious zealot over the last few years since
the birth of our first son, taking him to synagogue
with him as an infant so that he can absorb
the music and the prayers. He has done the same
with our second son. This is also to show the
congregation what an attentive father he is. The fact remains
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that the children are watched by teenage children of other
congregants in a sort of playroom while the services are
going on. Mister Markel picks one of them up and
comes back out at certain parts of the service to
hear particular hymns, and then returns them to the care
of babysitters. This is done rather than allowing them to
remain home with me, and when I protested, he insisted
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he always gets his way. There are no Hebrew schools
in Tallahassee. Mister Markel seems intent upon religious training, but
feels that only he could provide the best religious training
for our children. He is indoctrinating them, not teaching them.
If he truly cared about a religious school for them,
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then clearly one of the thirty seven Hebrew day schools
in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach County would be a
better choice for our boys. My home in Broward County
is close to many of these schools and midway between
Dade and Palm Beach schools. I hope your attorney is
researching cases when relocation was granted and what the circumstances were. Also,
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all cases are different, and because one case didn't allow
it doesn't mean that he should prevent another case from
receiving that benefit. Danny has said on numerous occasions she
puts in parentheses one I have on my phone as
a saved message. What wonderful grandparents and in laws we've been.
He knows that the children are very close to us
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and we would always be there to take care of them.
What's going to happen in June when he wants to
go to three different conferences, she puts in all caps,
don't let him go. If you do, you're enabling and facilitating.
You're staying in Tallahassee. You'll be showing him that. Anytime
he is a meeting he wants to go to, that's fine,
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You'll watch the boys. That's the whole point of relocation
for you and the children. He can continue to attend
all the meetings he wants to go to and then
arrange for frequent and extended visitation with the boys. Maybe
some of the money he spends on his trips can
be used to visit the boys. Another she puts in
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quotes bribe to get him to a low relocation should
be the offer of plane tickets, since he does have
family that would allow him to use their homes to
stay in. But obviously that's a last ditch effort if
all else fails. He's trying to show the court that
your request is frivolous and that you should have to
pay for yours and his court costs in this plea,
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your lawyer has to let the court know that it's
anything but frivolous and isn't he also supposed to pay
some of your regular legal fees. This bastard has not
paid one cent towards your bridge gap alimony. Why why
only two months of a child support payment over an
eight month timeframe, loving, caring father that he is. Do
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you need information on grocery bills? I have a good
many of them and can show the court what has
been costing just for that with no support from the
derogatory name. Also find out from Kristen if she wants
you to pass back now or wait what's best for
your case. I'm too angry to write any more. I'm
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going to shower, wash my hair, and get ready for
you and the boys to come home. Dad said he'd
look up any papers tonight or over the weekend that
you might need. He even has the information on what
Danny had in his ir and four to oh one
k prior to marriage. Love you, mom. So the one
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thing that stands out to me is her writing these
emails as if she is Wendy talking to her attorney
or the court. Just a huge overstep and really obsessive
and crazy. Let's move on to the next email. This
is from Tuesday, June twenty fifth, twenty thirteen, written at
nine point fifty nine pm. It says, Hi, honey, okay,
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just like it says on your necklace, never never, never
give up. It's time for action. It's time to take
control of your life and not let derogatory name think you.
He's won anything by having you remain in Tallahassee, eight
hours away from the only family you have and lose
out on what will be a job that will afford
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you and your children advantages. They will never otherwise be
able to enjoy. Let's show this effort what will make
him absolutely miserable. You know his weak points, money, religion, control.
You have five weeks before your court date. I know
you have a job that keeps you very busy. However,
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and she underlines and puts this in bold, the rest
of your life and consequently Dad's, mine, and yes, even
Charlie's will be affected by how well you can perform
and act before July thirty. First, you can be a
good actress when you want to. I've seen you in action.
You need to put on the performance of your life.
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Derogatory Name hasn't beaten the Ageleson family yet. You have
a very strong family behind you. Just remember that Dad
and I have done everything we could to try to
help you for the last ten months. Now it's time
to help yourself. We believe that you will be able
to make this happen if you can put these actions
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before everything else this next month, and you know that
you've only got the kids a limited number of days
to do this. We believe Derogatory Name will be saying
stop this, and you'll be telling him you wanted me
in tallahassee my children are going to fit in in
this Bible belt. They're going to church every time I
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have them, I'm having them privately tutored at home to
get them caught up for the Sunday school classes that
I've registered them in for the fall. This class time
coincides with the service I'll be attending. Tell him that
you've got a new outlook on life and a new hope,
and you'd like to go to heaven. Perhaps he would
like to join you and the boys at church. The
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next section is plan of action Number one. Take a
photo of the boys dressed nicely, standing at the front
door or by the sign of a Tallahassee church. Then
change your Facebook status to a photo of this one
so everyone will see this. Perhaps a line under the
photo with new beginnings in Tallahassee might be nice. Within minutes,
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derogatory name should either see this or will be getting
calls from his friends and acquaintances about this. Hmm, how
happy do you think he will be? Number two, Make
arrangements to get the boys caught up with a private tutor.
She puts in parentheses teenage Catholic church member who will
come to the house to teach the young men about Jesus.
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If you don't have time to arrange for this to happen,
I will happily do it for you. She or he
will serve as a good babysitter assistant for you while
you're preparing dinner, etc. Let direct prougatory name know that
your children will be baptized in the Catholic Church and
you'll certainly invite him to the event. Let him know
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that the Catholic Church is a big part of your
life now with the boys, and you'd like him to
be a part of it. As long as he wants
you to remain in Tallahassee. The boys will be involved
with you in church related activities and ceremonies. Let him
get used to it. I've already checked this out and
a baptism can be arranged within two weeks. We can
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send out evites to Derogatory name, his parents, sister, and
anyone else you want to invite. Or I'm looking into
summer camp programs for the boys. We will pay for it,
even if the boys end up going only the few
days that they're in Tallahassee. On the days you have
them prior to the hearing. Number five, register them for
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toddler classes at church. I've looked into this, and even
if they don't go, we can show derogatory name that
they are enrolled for the fall semester and you cannot
tell anyone this is an act. Somehow it will get
back to derogatory name in all caps. It says, take
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control from him, get to him psychologically. He's going to
want you to stop this. Wendy. You've been through a
very difficult year. You've had to make a huge decision.
You did that, it was the right decision. Now you
have one final opportunity to make him angry. We want
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him ticked off so he realizes that he could lose
control over his kids. We plan to make a financial
offer to him to allow this relocation. You need to
work on this plan and will help you through it,
so it may affect how much we will offer him.
Maybe he'd be willing to let you relocate if he
knew his children would attend a private Hebrew academy like
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Donna Klein in Boca, or perhaps like them to invite
him to a Christmas party at their other Sunday school.
You have a little over three weeks till mediation. Let's
get this going now. I know you would never want
to think that you don't do absolutely everything you could
to try to come down to your family between living
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down here and having a job that will give your
children the lifestyle they deserve. Your life now and for
sure in the future, will be significantly better. Gary told
us he is not going to hire anyone until after
your court hearing and after we try to make a
financial offer to Derogatory Name. We don't want Danny to
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continue his religious influence over these children any more than
what he's already done. If he keeps this up, they
won't want to eat in your non kosher home, and
if they see you don't want to attend their shoal functions,
you'll be the outsider. As they get older and more
involved under Derogatory names religious influence, they will be able
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to request which parent they want to live with. Don't
allow Derogatory Name to have this power and control over them,
then in reality, he's going to have the same control
over you. Dad and I have changed our lives this
past year to support and assist you and the boys
in every possible way. Charlie has accepted the loss in
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the office business income for us to do this because
he loves you and wants only the best possible future
for you. It's time for you to show us that
you can put on the performance of your life for
the next few weeks. Please call us after you read this.
We're waiting to talk to you. If you have any
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other ideas to make a last chance for relocation happen,
Please let us know. We send this letter with our
love and only the best intentions. Mom and Dad. The
next email Thursday, June twenty seventh, twenty thirteen. This was
sent at one twenty two pm. Dear Wendy, since neither
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one of us feels up to talking, let me share
with you what we're all feeling as far as your response.
When I wrote to you this morning, we felt that
you had reasonable thoughts as to what the judge might
do or say or think regarding the charade we had
hoped you would participate in. However, the more we think
about that, we begin to realize that you and we
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have no idea what this judge will do or say
or think. We would have thought, after paying an attorney
six hundred dollars per hour for ten months, she would
take an hour and a half of testimony, not even
bothering to call Derogatory Name to the stand and decide
that family support for very young children evidently means nothing,
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and a job that pays ten times what you're unsecured, untenured,
and dependent upon state budget cuts job pays in Tallahassee
will be just fine you and your children. Does she
care that after expenses you'll save next to nothing at
the end of the year. Does she care that very little,
if any, will be put away for the children for
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their current and future education. Does she care that extracurricular activities,
sports trips, eating out into restaurants will always be a
financial challenge for you to provide for the boys. Clearly
she did not take into consideration the future earning potential
and benefit for your children. She didn't care that there's
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no backup support system when one of your preschoolers is sick.
All she cared about was if the father hasn't been
pulling out their toenails, you should give up any financial
betterment for you and your children and raise them in
a better place that you agreed to go to. Because
Derogatory Name only had FSU as a job offer, of course,
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as a graduate of FSU Law School and a native
of Tallahassee, she sees nothing wrong with living there. Obviously,
as a native of South Florida, you know better. Our
point is, it's obvious that you and Kristen haven't figured
out the judge so far. So we're both shocked at
the rapid decision based on nothing that was presented. So
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how do you think at this point you can figure
out what the judge will say regarding your decision to
introduce Christianity into the boys' lives. People go to prison
and change their religion all the time. People go through
difficult times and find Jesus. Jesus was Jewish, he had
positive teachings, He gives people hope, and best of all,
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you get to go to Heaven in the end. Sounds
good to me. Obviously it will sound good to Judge Hobbes.
She goes to church. There were multiple donations from her
church pastors and ministers on her financial contributions website. She's
a southern black lady. How do you know it won't
be music to her ears to hear this. The next
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section some possible options on Judge Hobbes's decision regarding Jewish
holidays with the boys, as far as losing the children
on the Jewish holidays. There are a couple of alternatives
to this. First of all, it may happen, but unlikely
he's entitled to half the holidays and alternating those holidays
each year with you. You may be interested in the
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teachings of Jesus, because Derogatory Name has certainly ruined being
Jewish for you in the extreme way he practices it. However,
if the judge questions how much of the Jewish holiday
you can have, you explain that your parents and brother
are Jewish and they will be coming to Tallahasse to
spend those holidays, or the half that you're entitled to,
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or perhaps even the sixty percent you're entitled to with
the boys. Secondly, what if, by some crazy stance, the
judge says, okay, Derogatory Name can have all the Jewish holidays.
Then if our bribe doesn't work, you tell him in
the school year that you'll take the kids out of
Sunday school at church and cancel their upcoming baptism if
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he shares those dates with you, if not, keep them there. Third,
since there is a separation of church and state, she
will just go by whatever schedule you are given and
tell you to work out any holiday arrangements between yourselves.
Who declares which are legitimate holidays and which aren't. Shimminy
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at zerit. Obviously the court isn't out to help you.
It's clear since Judge Hobbs's last ruling that says she
could care less about anything you had to say in
your behalf. She puts in bold, you need to help yourself.
You know, Wendy, most of the wars that have been
fought for the last couple of thousands of years have
been over religion. Charlie brought up a good point when
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he said that Americans were dropped behind enemy lines during
World War II wearing Nazi uniforms to get what they wanted.
They had a job to get done, and they did
with needed to do to accomplish it. She puts in bold,
you have a job to get done in a very
short timeframe. To accomplish it. If you dressed your kids
up in Hitler youth uniforms and brought them down here,
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I could care less if it was an act of
defiance and would show derogatory name that he is not
in control. If your children are baptized, it doesn't make them. Christian,
Ben and Lincoln aren't really pirates because they dress up
like Jake the Pirate. It's an act, she puts in
bold here. You got into this mess with derogatory name
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by being so compliant and non confrontational with him. If
you just keep paying your attorney her six hundred dollars
per hour and don't fight for what you want, you're
no better off than if you stayed married to him. Sure,
you got rid of being unhappy in a marriage, so
you don't have to live under the same roof, but
he'll still be in control of everything, including what he wanted,
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sole controls of the boy's religious lives. Why let him?
Why not stand up to this effort? Why not fight?
We're not talking about a lifetime of this. You have
the boys a very limited number of days before the
mediation takes place. This is all part of an act.
Please rethink this. We're all willing to help you accomplish this,
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and that's all it is, Wendy, an act, an act
of defiance that will put a scare into this jackass.
It will infuriate him. It won't infuriate a judge that
you found Jesus. She can't comment on your religious views.
The next section all caps bold and underlined. You need
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to see the big picture. You need to look into
the future. What a life without your only family nearby?
Teaching in Tallahassee with Danny always in the picture will
give you It's not a pretty picture. We want to
see you help yourself. Not everything one has to do
in life is comfort or easy. Sometimes it's ridiculously hard
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but derogatory. Name has tried to aggravate and screw you
since day one of this divorce, his vicious emails, his
defiance with doctor Pam's directions on asking him not to
come to the school every day when he doesn't have
the boys. Is not allowing you to pick the children
up one hour earlier to drive to Atlanta is bad
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mouthing you to the faculty. Get the school you will
be working at. Everything he does is done with malicious intent.
Why can't you do this for the few days that
you have the boys prior to the mediation? You know him,
You know which buttons to push. He certainly knows how
to push your buttons. Takes something from him right now
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He's got everything just the way he wants. We need
to take something from him. In order for him to
negotiate it back. This is your chit. It's chit. The
extremism that Derogatory Name is already teaching the boys is
nothing more than brainwashing. Religion is brainwashing. It's control of
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the masses. It affects who your friends are, what activities
you do, how you eat, how you dress, how you pray, everything.
There is no doubt you will have two little orthodox
young men on your hands with the only religious influence
over them being Derogatory Name. He's already got them thinking
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that people who eat shrimp are bad, hot dogs are disgusting,
lobster is gross. Wait Ben's not even four years old.
Wait till he's eight. You're not teaching them anything different.
You don't teach them that on Saturdays they can go
to soccer or any regular organized sports activity, or even
swim lessons. You let them play in the park or
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in the house. Derogatory Name has an organized plan that
he's been doing pretty much ever since they were born.
Schul Schul, Schul, Schul. Every Saturday morning that he has them,
Schul for every Sunday that he has them Schuel for
every holiday, school parties, Schuel, Schul, Schuel, that will be
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their life. We don't want you to be the outsider
who doesn't join in what the rest of the family
is doing. By the way, a school is another word
for a synagogue, Wendy, this is all about negotiating. After
consulting with two attorneys who are both excellent negotiators, one
of whom we will most likely hire for the financial offer,
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we are getting the same advice. You must take something
from him that he wants. When you intelligently negotiate in mediation,
you pretend you want the house, even if you don't.
You pretend you want the car, even if you don't.
You pretend you want the ring, even if you don't care.
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You pretend you want the kids in Catholic school, even
if you don't. It's just the business of clever negotiation.
It's not what you are we are familiar with, but
people in business do it all the time. Both attorneys
have said that this is how you get what you want.
If you can't take anything from him, then what we
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do is just the financial offer. It's just not as good.
And then look at it this way, what's the downside.
Worst case scenario is the judge does give him the
Jewish holidays. Then after a short period of time, you
offer him taking the kids out of Catholic school if
he shares the holidays, or have a stipulation that holidays
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need to be reviewed yearly. You have a smart lawyer.
She knows that all kinds of stipulations and temporary arrangements
can be made at a divorce. Wendy, you don't manipulate people.
You're a sweet, caring person. Derogatory name is a manipulator.
You just need to play a role. What you're doing
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is jockeying for position in the end. If you do
this and it doesn't get the results we're all hoping for,
then you can't blame yourself. You can feel good that
you did everything you could. I'm not saying that we're
going to continue with hiring an attorney to negotiate and
make a financial offer. I don't think you realize the
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type of offer we're considering. We're planning on you, Charlie
and Dad and I going as high as equal parts
in a one million dollar offer. That's three hundred and
thirty three thousand from each of us. Obviously, the more
chits on our side, the better chances are that we
won't have to go that high. You have to show
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us that you're doing your part in this too. We're
a team. We can't possibly do this without your help.
One of the possibilities in lieu of that much money,
obviously we start much lower, is offering not just taking
them out of church, but negotiating a settlement which could
possibly offer both boys private education at the Donnaklin Hebrew
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Day School in Boca. It may include monthly airline tickets
to South Florida for as long as he lives in Tallahassee.
He may stop and think that if he can get
a job in a city he'd prefer to live in,
it would be an easy flight to see his children.
He loves living in South Florida teaching At his current schedule,
and with a big chunk of money, he could live
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down here and for the twenty six weeks per year
that he teaches and fly two days a week to Taai,
he would have frequent and liberal visitation. You're not looking
to remove him from their lives. He needs to understand
that the negotiating lawyer will work with him with his
school teaching schedule. He could see his children here a
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significant amount of time. His child support would be much less. Also,
the attorney who will be doing the negotiating will also
lay it out on the line for him what the
various payment offers would be worth to him in the
fifteen to eighteen years when he may want to retire.
The amount is huge. This payoff can put him at
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that point without any additional income of his own in
the four million dollar range, certainly nothing he had ever
saved in ten lifetimes. If you try this, you really
will not be any worse off than if you do nothing.
So what's preventing you from just trying? I don't know
how much of the big picture you're seeing, honey. I
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don't know if you realize that not only what you
can provide for your boy's life, but for your own
life all depends on this change. Aside from living in
a far better city with family a personal history there,
and you'll also have a greater opportunity to meet people
for your future. I'm sure there are many lovely women
who are teachers divorced with two children. You can be
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a highly successful, highly compensated attorney who is independent and
not in need of some want to marry you to
help support your two children. You can have someone cleaning
your home, a nanny to help with your children, a
lifestyle in which you and your boys can travel. This
is a once in a lifetime opportunity to really turn
your life around and make a positive difference in the
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lives of your children. Your expenses with the boys now
are minimal. Wait until you see how expensive everything is
in the future for them. We don't want you, and
I wouldn't imagine you'll want to live paycheck to paycheck.
Teenagers eat more than the yogurt these boys eat. Now
everyone has a price. Now is the time to start.
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You said, this divorce is not about winning and losing.
That is not a competition. You've already lost relocation according
to the legal system. Well, it is about winning and losing.
We're trying to get a win. You deserve it. You
deserve so much more than a life without family teaching
in Tallahassee, life is tough. If you don't stand up
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and take a chance, you don't stand a chance. Please, Wendy,
do your part and stand up to him. Make an
effort to do this so that our group offer will
stand a better chance at being accepted. Don't let his
temporary move to Tallahassee ruin your entire life. We all
want the same thing, a better emotional and financial life
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for you and for the boys all the way around.
You know, Grandma was one tough and very smart lady.
I think about her all the time, and I think
about what advice this very intelligent woman, a wonderful reader
of people, who loved you more than words could ever express,
would say to you. Should tell you to fight with
every bone in your body, fight for yourself, your boys,
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and for the best possible life you could have. We
know that's true. Fight for yourself, Wendy. We'll be there
to help you. Just don't tell us that what you
need to do now is move forward with a sense
of peace that's giving up. I don't believe that's really
what you want to do. After all we've been through together,
and when you're literally a few weeks from this being
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over written with hope and love Mom and Dad. All right.
The last email we're going through this was written at
February eighteenth, twenty fourteen, the subject information for your lawyer
when it comes to depot on Danny Honey. Okay, your
attorney must depot elvis to see if any of the
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retirement accounts that Elvis has ever had a check written
from them during the course of your marriage. If any
of them were funded through any joint assets like your
mutual Schwab account, or in any way passed through joint
financial accounts, then you are entitled to a portion of
those accounts. Even if nothing was ever done improperly on
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these accounts. And he has some very large retirement accounts,
Let's aggravate him the way he's trying to aggravate you,
and make him do the research and show statements from
every month from the date of your marriage to the
date of the filing of the divorce. You need to
see whatever he deposited into those accounts where the money
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came from. It's very possible some of it came from
your joint Schwab account. And then he's up poops creek.
Why shouldn't he have to do this? It is what
I mentioned to Kristen in court yesterday, and she nodded
her head. Now she needs to do something about it.
It just seems ridiculous for him to be able to
depot you, but for you and Kristin not to give
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him the same crap he's pulling on you. It's time
to give it to him. Also, what can your attorney
do to be proactive to give him some grief. It
seems like you're always on the defensive, but I don't
see her doing anything offensive. I was really surprised that
you didn't speak with her prior to meeting her in court.
Can't you meet with her and work out a plan
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of attack or some sort of strategizing so you know
what you're up against and what else he can do?
When is there an end to the litigation and waste
of the court's time and your time and your financial
obligation to your attorney. It's really important to get the
parenting coordinator to either testify or be brought to deposition,
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perhaps by your attorney, so that we can get her
to request that Elvis be core ordered for psychological testing.
And if he's this off, perhaps he should not be
permitted to take the children out of the country. What
happened with the dean? Any help or do you need
to proceed to the provost? Something has to be done
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with this ahole. Call us if you feel up to
it tonight. If you're too tired, then call us in
the morning after you leave the boys at school if
you can love you mom and dad, so you can
see there in these very link the emails, Donna's obsession,
inserting herself at every turn and also just suggesting things
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that were mean in nature to torture Dan. I think
this all lends to motive as to why Donna is
currently on trial for his murder. So that's it for
this episode. We'll see soon
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