August 4, 2025 • 24 mins
In this episode we dive into what we know about Kouri’s lover, a jail call transcript between Kouri and her mom talking about a trip Kouri was planning with her lover coming into court, a newer update from a hearing on Friday, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Which in now Alibia's Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis. I'm Gigi. It's Monday, August fourth. Taking
a break from the Brian Cooberger documents to catch up
on Corey. Richins also been digging through some older documents
and picking out some little nuggets that I haven't found before,
as well as diving into what we know about her
(00:22):
lover that she was with before, during, and after Eric's death.
But we're going to start with some more recent news.
On Friday, at a pre trial conference, one of the
topics that they talked about was the amount of discovery
in the case that the defense has been handed, which
is around eleven terabytes. So what's the equivalent of eleven
(00:43):
terabytes in the real world? That would be over three
months of NonStop ten ADP HD videos, two point two
to three point six million photos, seven and a half
years of streaming NonStop music, eleven million standard documents, one
hundred and ten full sized modern video games. So as
(01:07):
you can see a lot of discovery in this case.
Her attorney, Kathy Nestor told the court, I don't mean
anything that has anything to do with whether she killed
her husband or not. I'm talking about just the universe
of prosecuting Corey Richins has become outrageous. The judge said
it's a best practice from the perspective of prosecutors to
(01:30):
overproduce rather than underproduce. He ordered the state to send
the defense a draft of their witness list and exhibits
for the murder trial, and in doing this it could
shrink the work needed to identify what's most important in
this sea of data, which can often include duplicates of documents.
(01:50):
The state's final exhibit list and witness list is due
October thirty first, and the next conference schedule to discover
the best way to manage all this data is set
for December fifth. Also, Corey could enter please in the
next few weeks were the dozens of new financial charges
we know. She has pleaded not guilty to the murder charges.
(02:12):
Also back in June, the Utah Supreme Court declined to
hear Corey's appeal about having a Salt Lake City jury
here are the case instead of a Summit County jury.
This is the second denial for Corey regarding jury related
appeals that's been filed. The ruling is that the jury
will come from Summit County, and the trial will not
(02:33):
be moved. It will be held at the Silver Summit
Justice Center just outside of Park City, Utah. Looking back
through the state's first notice of intent to offer Rule
four H four be evidence, which is other crimes wrongdoings,
the state notes both evidence it intends to offer in
its case in chief and evidence it may offer in
(02:55):
rebuttal or impeachment. The state notices the latter because because
it can envision circumstances where the defense introduces evidence or
arguments that Corey was a successful business person or was
engaged in normal business practices, or if the defendant testifies
and puts her credibility at issue. In these circumstances, it
(03:18):
would be permissible for the state to introduce evidence of
the defendant's numerous financial frauds and other crimes, wrongdoings, wrongs,
or acts. Some of the four H four B evidence
they mentioned is Corey obtaining that two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars home equity line of credit on Eric's home
without his knowledge or consent by using a durable power
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of attorney. Corey and Erics unpaid federal income tax liability
totaled over three hundred thousand dollars and Corey Richan's realty
had ten thousand and ninety five dollars in unpaid property
tax liabilities. She was on the phone with IRS for
a proximately one hour the day before Eric's death. This
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is relevant because it proves the monetary gain aggravator and
her motive intent, plan, absence of mistake, and lack of
accident in causing Eric's death. The evidence proves a unique motive.
Not only did Corey cause Eric's death to pay the
tax liability, but also to prevent Eric from learning she
(04:25):
diverted CNE's tax distributions and learning the extent of their
outstanding non dischargeable obligations. How this came to be is
CNE distributed over two hundred and twenty thousand dollars, which
represented estimated quarterly taxes due Corey falsely informed her in
(04:46):
Eric's accountant that she remitted that money to the IRS,
when in fact, she used that money for other purposes.
Another example of four h four be evidence the state
would seek to introduce is between August twenty eighth, twenty
twenty one, through December twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, Corey's
Navy Federal Credit Union checking account balance ranged between zero
(05:10):
dollars and negative fifty one dollars and forty one cents.
During that same period, Corey wrote seven checks from this account,
totaling thirty six thousand, six hundred dollars payable to herself
or kay Richin's realty. All seven checks were returned unpaid.
In the five months preceding Eric's death, Corey sought to
(05:31):
withdraw over three hundred thousand dollars from her business, America
First Credit Union, and of course there were insufficient funds.
This resulted in one hundred and ninety eight separate overdraft
and return transaction fees totaling almost five thousand dollars. What
I don't understand is how this wasn't caught before, in
(05:54):
the midst of all this moving money around and bouncing checks.
On December ninth, twenty five, twenty one, Greengrass Holdings sued Corey,
her business, and her aunt, Doreen Corey in the Supreme
Court of New York for breach of contract and on
their personal guarantees. The amount claimed was eighty seven thousand,
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five hundred and thirty two dollars plus interest costs and disbursements.
They also mentioned Corey accessing c andes Stonemasonry account online
and changing the beneficiary for Cody Wright's life insurance policy
from Eric to her and then back again. They also
bring up Corey's best friend wiring her the forty five
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thousand dollars as a down payment on that home she
was supposed to be purchasing from Corey, but as we know,
Corey did not apply the amount as a down payment
or transferred the title of the home to her best friend. Instead,
Corey spent the money repaying other high interest loans and
short term obligations. On the morning after Eric died, Corey
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wasted no time stating she was going to sell the
Willow Court home now. On March sixth, twenty twenty two,
Corey learned from Eric's sister Amy that the Eric Richins
Living Trust owned the home and that Eric's sister Katie
was the trustee and was the one in control of
Eric's estate. Corey's reaction was so overwhelming that she lost it.
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She punched Amy Richins a couple of times, and when
Amy went outside the call the cops. Corey had an
emotional meltdown in front of her best friend, collapsing to
the garage floor. She was screaming and rocking back and forth.
The state says this is relevant because Corey believed the
home would become hers upon Eric's death and how intensely
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Corey needed ownership of the home. Another piece they intend
to introduce is on September twelfth, twenty twenty three, Corey
wrote the Walk the Dog letter to tamper with witness testimony,
manipulate publicity, and retaliate against Eric's family. They allso so
mentioned her falsifying those bank statements to get the mortgage loans.
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On March seventeenth, twenty twenty three, Corey fraudulently transferred her
mother's home to Kay Richin's realty by convincing her mother
to sign papers that would supposedly add Corey's name to
her mother's deed. Instead, the papers transferred the title of
the home to Corey Richin's realty. Corey then encumbered her
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mother's home with another one hundred and thirty five thousand
dollars loan. To obtain this loan, Corey falsely told the
lender she was going to rehab her mother's new home
and said she had been doing fix and flips for
about five years now. In fact, she said she had
done nearly forty flips. On February tenth, twenty twenty two,
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Corey falsely advertised to certain Perspective investors that she was
contributing to funding the purchase of that Midway mansion. However,
Corey did not contribute to funding the purchase of the
mansion and instead received eighty one thousand, three hundred and
eighty six dollars cash back at closing. The last thing
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they say is that she purchased fentanyl. So what do
we know about her lover, Robert Joshua Grossman. Well, they
had a relationship before, during, and after Eric's death, to include,
without limitation, text messaging regarding future plans as a couple
and planning a vacation together for April of twenty twenty two.
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This comes from the testimony of Grossman in another filing.
They talk about her affair with the Handyman. Now this
is not the handyman William Hayden Jeffs, who she asked
to buy finonyl and probe fall from. He unfortunately passed
away in a motorcycle accident. Butt before his death, he
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did interview with investigators and supplied them with text messages
which verified his statements that she did ask him to
get fentanyl and probofaal Back to the affair, it says
Corey engaged in a long term romantic affair with Josh Grossman.
Mister Grossman has referred to the relationship in the communications
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with Corey as six years in duration, and Corey did
not correct him. Their affair continued for approximately nine months
after Eric's death, and they say that Corey's characterization of
the affair as brief is inaccurate. The existing record contains daily,
emotionally involved intimate text message between Corey and mister Grossman
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envisioning a future together without Eric. In fact, Corey made
reservations for them at Secrets Resort in Saint Martin on
December seventh, which is before Eric's death. The trip was
four two hundred and eleven dollars and it was scheduled
for that April for five days, which would have been
the month after Eric died. Her attorneys claimed the trip
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was never paid for. Just days after Eric's death, Corey
texted mister Grossman a link to the romantic resort and
said are we there yet? The State says, these texts
are admissible as statements of a party opponent for the
effect of the hearer and as present since impressions. The
nature of Corey's relationship with mister Grossman is relevant because
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it proves her motive, intent, plan, absence of mistake, and
lack of accident in causing Eric's death. Now there is
a jail transcript. This call was after a document had
been filed in court, and the conversation is between Corey
and her mother, Lisa. This looks to be around spring
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of last year. So just a little heads up before
we dive into this transcript. Some of this doesn't make
sense as far as everything they're talking about. So if
you get confused, welcome to the club. But I'm just
reading this transcript in its entirety. And so let's start
that transcript. They say they're helloes, and Corey says, so
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when were those two dated for those subpoenas Lisa, that
letter I just received, Corey, Yeah, not the letter for
the kids, Lisa, the vacation place, Corey and the other
one Lisa, Oh, that one just happened today, Corey, both
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of them, Lisa. There was only one Corey in one
letter Lisa, are we talking about the subpoena they just issued, Corey, Yeah,
for the vacation and the thing in Hebrew. Lisa, No, no, no,
nothing about the thing in Hebrew. That was just brought
to my attention because from my old friend who said
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way back when Lisa, somebody said and they said it
was no big deal. The other party already knew. So
that could be gossip, but it might be something you need,
you know what I'm saying, Corey. Oh, so what were
the three letters? The kids, the vacation and Lisa says,
and that, but it wasn't a letter. The vacation wasn't
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a letter either. That was just a new document that
was filed. Corey. It's a subpoena. I get that. So
there was no document on the Hebrew. That's just something
going around. Lisa. Yes, Corey says. Okay, Corey, will you
take a picture of that one, the vacation one, and
send the picture to Sky that was her previous attorney,
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and say, Corey would like you to oppose this if possible. Lisa, Okay, yeah,
it just went out today. Corey. Yeah, well, good, will
you screenshot it and send it to her? Lisa Okay,
Corey says, I just tried to call her but she
didn't answer. There is a section here this redacted out.
Corey says, yeah, that's perfect Lisa. Okay, Corey, So do
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you have a copy of that that you can screenshot,
Lisa of that? I will here in one minute. Corey.
Oh okay. It's just not their effing business, you know, Lisa, right, Corey?
Where we vacation? Lisa, right? And they've got a certain
name on there, and they're looking at that's in there.
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They want to counts records and bookings. Corey. I'm trying
to think what we've booked. I know we well, I
know Hawaii and Mexico. Lisa, Yeah, see, and there again
it comes back to reaching Corey. Exactly. They're so effing ridiculous, Lisa.
What does any of that have to do with this death? Corey?
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Right exactly. That's why I'm like, no, what does this
have to do with anything? So, yeah, if you'll screenshot it,
just send it to Sky and say, Corey wants you
to oppose this. It's BS. Lisa says, Okay, Actually, I
think me and the girls booked a Costa Rica through there.
We never went, but Lisa says, it doesn't even matter. Corey.
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I know, that's what I'm saying. I think that's why
I'm so annoyed, because what the hell does that have
to do with anything? Lisa? Right? Corey. And so it's
just like, why do you keep you know, because they're
effing reaching And who cares about that? Lisa? Yeah, exactly, Corey.
And who cares about that other thing from Hebrew? Lisa?
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That's what Ronnie said too, So the f what he did?
This crap was going south? Corey? Well, yeah, and he
did the exact same thing. We have the name of her, Lisa, right, Corey,
So what the hell does that matter? Lisa right? Do
you know her name? Corey says yes, Lisa, Okay, so
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these are just things Corey must interrupt. Yeah, so I'm thinking, Lisa,
you'll want to list with sky. Corey, stupid ass is
the one who told us about it. It was in
one of her filings a year ago. Lisa, I'd be
curious if they were about the same time, Corey. Well,
they were same year. So I mean I'm like, what
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the crap does that matter? I mean, where did that
even come from? Lisa? Where did I hear about it, Corey. Yeah,
Lisa through Janine, who said, by the way, Lisa, months ago,
months at the very beginning, somebody said it was no
big deal because the other side had it, she said,
and I just forgot about it until the other one
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said something to me that somebody ought to tell Corey
just for a heads up. Corey, Well, she knows they
did the same thing, right, Lisa. Okay, I'm going to
assume Corey. I mean I would hope so too, Lisa, right,
because I think it came out in court one day
and Corey says, yes, Lisa, he was looking to Corey.
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So I wonder does she know that? I mean Lisa, so, yeah,
she's got to know. Well, when do you talk to
her again, Corey. No, I'm not talking about mine, I'm
talking about your lady, Lisa. Yeah, and what you went with.
If you think about it like this, they don't want
to put that person on the stand, Corey. Oh they don't, Lisa,
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I wouldn't think so, Corey. Well yeah, no, I mean Lisa,
Well you think about it, that makes them look like
an idiot. Corey. Well, that's what I mean, Like, what
the F Lisa, But like I said, right now, it's gossip,
and yeah, Corey, I just don't get what anything has
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to do with anything. I'm just like, I'm gonna tell
Scott to start freaking opposing everyfing subpoena they have. This
is getting efing ridiculous. Lisa, Yes, I agree, Corey. So
when you text her, you know, say not all only
this one, but everyone in the future. This is effing ridiculous.
Lisa says, right, Okay, I'm gonna try to call her.
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Corey says, well, I just tried to, so she's probably.
Lisa says, but if she didn't answer you, then Corey says, yeah,
I mean you can. Well you can try to call her.
Lisa okay, I'll send her a text, saying then Corey interrupts,
if she doesn't answer it, then yes, send her the
text with the screenshot and say Corey wants you to
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oppose this and any more moving forward because it's just
effing ridiculous her mom Lisa, Okay, Corey says, all right,
text me when you're done, move it on to the relationship.
Just days after Eric's death, Corey texted mister Grossman a
link to the romantic resort and said, are we there yet?
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These texts are admissible as statements of party opponent for
the effect of the hear and present since impressions the
nature of Corey's relationship with mister Grossman is real event
because it proves her motive, intent, plan, absence of mistake,
and lack of accident in causing Eric's death. After the
attempt on Valentine's Day in twenty twenty two, she texted
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Eric she was waiting for her cabinet installer guy. The
same day, Eric texted a friend, I think I almost died.
I think my wife tried to poison me. On February nineteenth,
Corey allegedly texted Grossman, I want you today every day,
not just sexually, but physically mentally, every day when I
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wake up. I do want a future together. I do
want you dig your life out together. If he could
just go away and you could just be here, life
would be so perfect. I love you. Another text from
Corey says, I have a crazy dream. You quit your job,
I divorce and come up with millions and millions. We
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buy Midway and live in the guest house and rent
out the huge house as a big event center. She
said running the event center would be their daily job
and hang out every day, raise some kids, have a
little farm deal. The very night Eric was killed, she
texted Grossman a photo of two people kissing and said
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love you. From March sixth through the eleventh, she texted
Grossman love you five times. Court filings say that the
two met up on a mountain where she asked if
he'd ever killed anyone while in the military in Iraq.
When he said yes, she asked how it felt. Then
on April ninth, she texted, I think I want you
to be my husband one day. Investigators learned about Grossman
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through interviews with her family and friends. This isn't in
the documents I'm reading, but this is from a search
warrant of Grossman's phone. In February of twenty twenty two,
Corey texted him if I was divorced right now and
asked you to marry me tomorrow. Would you I just
want to lay on the couch and cuddle you, watch
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a murdered documentary and snuggle. Two weeks later, she texted,
life is going to be different. I promise. I hate
your hard days. I wish I could be there to
turn them around for you. Can I try? Friday? Give
me a few days. Hang in there until then, please.
Corey eventually kicked him out of one of her condos
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in Saratoga Springs in November of twenty twenty two, which
left him homeless and living out of a Ford F
one fifty pickup, which he claims Corey gave him. This
was heard on dash cam video after one of his
several run ins with the law. After he was evicted.
Now friends of Corey say she kicked him out because,
according to her, he was using meth. In that dash
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cam video, he identified Corey as his girlfriend. Investigators found
this dash cam video after learning of her affair from
family and friends. Now among his alleged crimes, he was
arrested for trespassing, also for the theft of a fourteen
thousand dollars trailer and scissor lift he had rented from
home depot in Salt Lake City. In another incident, he
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was asleep in his truck with the engine running in
a residential neighborhood and there was alcohol in the truck,
including open containers. He was cited for the open containers.
In an Affidavid, Law enforcement said Grossman had several phones
they wanted to examine, including two, he said Corey gave
him in which they communicated on around the time of
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Eric's death. One of the affidavits reads he was an
extramarital sexual partner of Corey's prior to and after the
death of her husband. The state said Corey wanted to
leave Eric for Grossman, but thought a divorce would be
financially difficult and she was afraid of losing her children.
Now it's been reported that Grossman has been granted immunity
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by the state, so we will see. As far as
a divorce consultation, Corey told family and friends she consulted
with a divorce attorney, but that retainer was refunded in
January of twenty twenty two. The fact that Corey considered
divorce and rejected it in favor of causing Eric's death
is relevant and highly probative because the pre marital agreement
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provided Corey would not gain interest in see any if
she and Eric divorce, but she would gain interest if
Eric died while they were still married. The last part
is cell phone deletions. Nearly all of the texts and
other electronic data stored on Corey's phone in the two
months preceding Eric's death and the two weeks following his
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death has been deleted. This is the only mass deletion
found on the phone. A jury could reasonably infer the
defendant caused the deletions. This evidence is relevant to show
Corey's consciousness of guilt, which grounds in the defendant's motive, intent, plan,
absence of mistake, and lack of acace accident in causing
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Eric's death. They also mentioned Corey exchanged a high number
of text messages with the woman she got fentanyl from,
particularly three days leading up to the attempted murder and
then five days before the murder. So that's it for today.
Just wanted to put that out there. A little bit
of digging I did over the weekend through a lot
of the documents. I have to pick out some more
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of these little nuggets that at least I'm not familiar with,
and also just a little bit more about the affairs
she was having. Hope you guys have a good rest
of your evening and we will see you soon.
Which in now Alibia's Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis. I'm Gigi. It's Monday, August fourth. Taking
a break from the Brian Cooberger documents to catch up
on Corey. Richins also been digging through some older documents
and picking out some little nuggets that I haven't found before,
as well as diving into what we know about her
(00:22):
lover that she was with before, during, and after Eric's death.
But we're going to start with some more recent news.
On Friday, at a pre trial conference, one of the
topics that they talked about was the amount of discovery
in the case that the defense has been handed, which
is around eleven terabytes. So what's the equivalent of eleven
(00:43):
terabytes in the real world? That would be over three
months of NonStop ten ADP HD videos, two point two
to three point six million photos, seven and a half
years of streaming NonStop music, eleven million standard documents, one
hundred and ten full sized modern video games. So as
(01:07):
you can see a lot of discovery in this case.
Her attorney, Kathy Nestor told the court, I don't mean
anything that has anything to do with whether she killed
her husband or not. I'm talking about just the universe
of prosecuting Corey Richins has become outrageous. The judge said
it's a best practice from the perspective of prosecutors to
(01:30):
overproduce rather than underproduce. He ordered the state to send
the defense a draft of their witness list and exhibits
for the murder trial, and in doing this it could
shrink the work needed to identify what's most important in
this sea of data, which can often include duplicates of documents.
(01:50):
The state's final exhibit list and witness list is due
October thirty first, and the next conference schedule to discover
the best way to manage all this data is set
for December fifth. Also, Corey could enter please in the
next few weeks were the dozens of new financial charges
we know. She has pleaded not guilty to the murder charges.
(02:12):
Also back in June, the Utah Supreme Court declined to
hear Corey's appeal about having a Salt Lake City jury
here are the case instead of a Summit County jury.
This is the second denial for Corey regarding jury related
appeals that's been filed. The ruling is that the jury
will come from Summit County, and the trial will not
(02:33):
be moved. It will be held at the Silver Summit
Justice Center just outside of Park City, Utah. Looking back
through the state's first notice of intent to offer Rule
four H four be evidence, which is other crimes wrongdoings,
the state notes both evidence it intends to offer in
its case in chief and evidence it may offer in
(02:55):
rebuttal or impeachment. The state notices the latter because because
it can envision circumstances where the defense introduces evidence or
arguments that Corey was a successful business person or was
engaged in normal business practices, or if the defendant testifies
and puts her credibility at issue. In these circumstances, it
(03:18):
would be permissible for the state to introduce evidence of
the defendant's numerous financial frauds and other crimes, wrongdoings, wrongs,
or acts. Some of the four H four B evidence
they mentioned is Corey obtaining that two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars home equity line of credit on Eric's home
without his knowledge or consent by using a durable power
(03:42):
of attorney. Corey and Erics unpaid federal income tax liability
totaled over three hundred thousand dollars and Corey Richan's realty
had ten thousand and ninety five dollars in unpaid property
tax liabilities. She was on the phone with IRS for
a proximately one hour the day before Eric's death. This
(04:04):
is relevant because it proves the monetary gain aggravator and
her motive intent, plan, absence of mistake, and lack of
accident in causing Eric's death. The evidence proves a unique motive.
Not only did Corey cause Eric's death to pay the
tax liability, but also to prevent Eric from learning she
(04:25):
diverted CNE's tax distributions and learning the extent of their
outstanding non dischargeable obligations. How this came to be is
CNE distributed over two hundred and twenty thousand dollars, which
represented estimated quarterly taxes due Corey falsely informed her in
(04:46):
Eric's accountant that she remitted that money to the IRS,
when in fact, she used that money for other purposes.
Another example of four h four be evidence the state
would seek to introduce is between August twenty eighth, twenty
twenty one, through December twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, Corey's
Navy Federal Credit Union checking account balance ranged between zero
(05:10):
dollars and negative fifty one dollars and forty one cents.
During that same period, Corey wrote seven checks from this account,
totaling thirty six thousand, six hundred dollars payable to herself
or kay Richin's realty. All seven checks were returned unpaid.
In the five months preceding Eric's death, Corey sought to
(05:31):
withdraw over three hundred thousand dollars from her business, America
First Credit Union, and of course there were insufficient funds.
This resulted in one hundred and ninety eight separate overdraft
and return transaction fees totaling almost five thousand dollars. What
I don't understand is how this wasn't caught before, in
(05:54):
the midst of all this moving money around and bouncing checks.
On December ninth, twenty five, twenty one, Greengrass Holdings sued Corey,
her business, and her aunt, Doreen Corey in the Supreme
Court of New York for breach of contract and on
their personal guarantees. The amount claimed was eighty seven thousand,
(06:14):
five hundred and thirty two dollars plus interest costs and disbursements.
They also mentioned Corey accessing c andes Stonemasonry account online
and changing the beneficiary for Cody Wright's life insurance policy
from Eric to her and then back again. They also
bring up Corey's best friend wiring her the forty five
(06:35):
thousand dollars as a down payment on that home she
was supposed to be purchasing from Corey, but as we know,
Corey did not apply the amount as a down payment
or transferred the title of the home to her best friend. Instead,
Corey spent the money repaying other high interest loans and
short term obligations. On the morning after Eric died, Corey
(06:58):
wasted no time stating she was going to sell the
Willow Court home now. On March sixth, twenty twenty two,
Corey learned from Eric's sister Amy that the Eric Richins
Living Trust owned the home and that Eric's sister Katie
was the trustee and was the one in control of
Eric's estate. Corey's reaction was so overwhelming that she lost it.
(07:21):
She punched Amy Richins a couple of times, and when
Amy went outside the call the cops. Corey had an
emotional meltdown in front of her best friend, collapsing to
the garage floor. She was screaming and rocking back and forth.
The state says this is relevant because Corey believed the
home would become hers upon Eric's death and how intensely
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Corey needed ownership of the home. Another piece they intend
to introduce is on September twelfth, twenty twenty three, Corey
wrote the Walk the Dog letter to tamper with witness testimony,
manipulate publicity, and retaliate against Eric's family. They allso so
mentioned her falsifying those bank statements to get the mortgage loans.
(08:04):
On March seventeenth, twenty twenty three, Corey fraudulently transferred her
mother's home to Kay Richin's realty by convincing her mother
to sign papers that would supposedly add Corey's name to
her mother's deed. Instead, the papers transferred the title of
the home to Corey Richin's realty. Corey then encumbered her
(08:26):
mother's home with another one hundred and thirty five thousand
dollars loan. To obtain this loan, Corey falsely told the
lender she was going to rehab her mother's new home
and said she had been doing fix and flips for
about five years now. In fact, she said she had
done nearly forty flips. On February tenth, twenty twenty two,
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Corey falsely advertised to certain Perspective investors that she was
contributing to funding the purchase of that Midway mansion. However,
Corey did not contribute to funding the purchase of the
mansion and instead received eighty one thousand, three hundred and
eighty six dollars cash back at closing. The last thing
(09:09):
they say is that she purchased fentanyl. So what do
we know about her lover, Robert Joshua Grossman. Well, they
had a relationship before, during, and after Eric's death, to include,
without limitation, text messaging regarding future plans as a couple
and planning a vacation together for April of twenty twenty two.
(09:34):
This comes from the testimony of Grossman in another filing.
They talk about her affair with the Handyman. Now this
is not the handyman William Hayden Jeffs, who she asked
to buy finonyl and probe fall from. He unfortunately passed
away in a motorcycle accident. Butt before his death, he
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did interview with investigators and supplied them with text messages
which verified his statements that she did ask him to
get fentanyl and probofaal Back to the affair, it says
Corey engaged in a long term romantic affair with Josh Grossman.
Mister Grossman has referred to the relationship in the communications
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with Corey as six years in duration, and Corey did
not correct him. Their affair continued for approximately nine months
after Eric's death, and they say that Corey's characterization of
the affair as brief is inaccurate. The existing record contains daily,
emotionally involved intimate text message between Corey and mister Grossman
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envisioning a future together without Eric. In fact, Corey made
reservations for them at Secrets Resort in Saint Martin on
December seventh, which is before Eric's death. The trip was
four two hundred and eleven dollars and it was scheduled
for that April for five days, which would have been
the month after Eric died. Her attorneys claimed the trip
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was never paid for. Just days after Eric's death, Corey
texted mister Grossman a link to the romantic resort and
said are we there yet? The State says, these texts
are admissible as statements of a party opponent for the
effect of the hearer and as present since impressions. The
nature of Corey's relationship with mister Grossman is relevant because
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it proves her motive, intent, plan, absence of mistake, and
lack of accident in causing Eric's death. Now there is
a jail transcript. This call was after a document had
been filed in court, and the conversation is between Corey
and her mother, Lisa. This looks to be around spring
(11:46):
of last year. So just a little heads up before
we dive into this transcript. Some of this doesn't make
sense as far as everything they're talking about. So if
you get confused, welcome to the club. But I'm just
reading this transcript in its entirety. And so let's start
that transcript. They say they're helloes, and Corey says, so
(12:07):
when were those two dated for those subpoenas Lisa, that
letter I just received, Corey, Yeah, not the letter for
the kids, Lisa, the vacation place, Corey and the other
one Lisa, Oh, that one just happened today, Corey, both
(12:27):
of them, Lisa. There was only one Corey in one
letter Lisa, are we talking about the subpoena they just issued, Corey, Yeah,
for the vacation and the thing in Hebrew. Lisa, No, no, no,
nothing about the thing in Hebrew. That was just brought
to my attention because from my old friend who said
(12:49):
way back when Lisa, somebody said and they said it
was no big deal. The other party already knew. So
that could be gossip, but it might be something you need,
you know what I'm saying, Corey. Oh, so what were
the three letters? The kids, the vacation and Lisa says,
and that, but it wasn't a letter. The vacation wasn't
(13:11):
a letter either. That was just a new document that
was filed. Corey. It's a subpoena. I get that. So
there was no document on the Hebrew. That's just something
going around. Lisa. Yes, Corey says. Okay, Corey, will you
take a picture of that one, the vacation one, and
send the picture to Sky that was her previous attorney,
(13:34):
and say, Corey would like you to oppose this if possible. Lisa, Okay, yeah,
it just went out today. Corey. Yeah, well, good, will
you screenshot it and send it to her? Lisa Okay,
Corey says, I just tried to call her but she
didn't answer. There is a section here this redacted out.
Corey says, yeah, that's perfect Lisa. Okay, Corey, So do
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you have a copy of that that you can screenshot,
Lisa of that? I will here in one minute. Corey.
Oh okay. It's just not their effing business, you know, Lisa, right, Corey?
Where we vacation? Lisa, right? And they've got a certain
name on there, and they're looking at that's in there.
(14:21):
They want to counts records and bookings. Corey. I'm trying
to think what we've booked. I know we well, I
know Hawaii and Mexico. Lisa, Yeah, see, and there again
it comes back to reaching Corey. Exactly. They're so effing ridiculous, Lisa.
What does any of that have to do with this death? Corey?
(14:45):
Right exactly. That's why I'm like, no, what does this
have to do with anything? So, yeah, if you'll screenshot it,
just send it to Sky and say, Corey wants you
to oppose this. It's BS. Lisa says, Okay, Actually, I
think me and the girls booked a Costa Rica through there.
We never went, but Lisa says, it doesn't even matter. Corey.
(15:09):
I know, that's what I'm saying. I think that's why
I'm so annoyed, because what the hell does that have
to do with anything? Lisa? Right? Corey. And so it's
just like, why do you keep you know, because they're
effing reaching And who cares about that? Lisa? Yeah, exactly, Corey.
And who cares about that other thing from Hebrew? Lisa?
(15:33):
That's what Ronnie said too, So the f what he did?
This crap was going south? Corey? Well, yeah, and he
did the exact same thing. We have the name of her, Lisa, right, Corey,
So what the hell does that matter? Lisa right? Do
you know her name? Corey says yes, Lisa, Okay, so
(15:55):
these are just things Corey must interrupt. Yeah, so I'm thinking, Lisa,
you'll want to list with sky. Corey, stupid ass is
the one who told us about it. It was in
one of her filings a year ago. Lisa, I'd be
curious if they were about the same time, Corey. Well,
they were same year. So I mean I'm like, what
(16:18):
the crap does that matter? I mean, where did that
even come from? Lisa? Where did I hear about it, Corey. Yeah,
Lisa through Janine, who said, by the way, Lisa, months ago,
months at the very beginning, somebody said it was no
big deal because the other side had it, she said,
and I just forgot about it until the other one
(16:40):
said something to me that somebody ought to tell Corey
just for a heads up. Corey, Well, she knows they
did the same thing, right, Lisa. Okay, I'm going to
assume Corey. I mean I would hope so too, Lisa, right,
because I think it came out in court one day
and Corey says, yes, Lisa, he was looking to Corey.
(17:02):
So I wonder does she know that? I mean Lisa, so, yeah,
she's got to know. Well, when do you talk to
her again, Corey. No, I'm not talking about mine, I'm
talking about your lady, Lisa. Yeah, and what you went with.
If you think about it like this, they don't want
to put that person on the stand, Corey. Oh they don't, Lisa,
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I wouldn't think so, Corey. Well yeah, no, I mean Lisa,
Well you think about it, that makes them look like
an idiot. Corey. Well, that's what I mean, Like, what
the F Lisa, But like I said, right now, it's gossip,
and yeah, Corey, I just don't get what anything has
(17:45):
to do with anything. I'm just like, I'm gonna tell
Scott to start freaking opposing everyfing subpoena they have. This
is getting efing ridiculous. Lisa, Yes, I agree, Corey. So
when you text her, you know, say not all only
this one, but everyone in the future. This is effing ridiculous.
Lisa says, right, Okay, I'm gonna try to call her.
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Corey says, well, I just tried to, so she's probably.
Lisa says, but if she didn't answer you, then Corey says, yeah,
I mean you can. Well you can try to call her.
Lisa okay, I'll send her a text, saying then Corey interrupts,
if she doesn't answer it, then yes, send her the
text with the screenshot and say Corey wants you to
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oppose this and any more moving forward because it's just
effing ridiculous her mom Lisa, Okay, Corey says, all right,
text me when you're done, move it on to the relationship.
Just days after Eric's death, Corey texted mister Grossman a
link to the romantic resort and said, are we there yet?
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These texts are admissible as statements of party opponent for
the effect of the hear and present since impressions the
nature of Corey's relationship with mister Grossman is real event
because it proves her motive, intent, plan, absence of mistake,
and lack of accident in causing Eric's death. After the
attempt on Valentine's Day in twenty twenty two, she texted
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Eric she was waiting for her cabinet installer guy. The
same day, Eric texted a friend, I think I almost died.
I think my wife tried to poison me. On February nineteenth,
Corey allegedly texted Grossman, I want you today every day,
not just sexually, but physically mentally, every day when I
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wake up. I do want a future together. I do
want you dig your life out together. If he could
just go away and you could just be here, life
would be so perfect. I love you. Another text from
Corey says, I have a crazy dream. You quit your job,
I divorce and come up with millions and millions. We
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buy Midway and live in the guest house and rent
out the huge house as a big event center. She
said running the event center would be their daily job
and hang out every day, raise some kids, have a
little farm deal. The very night Eric was killed, she
texted Grossman a photo of two people kissing and said
(20:15):
love you. From March sixth through the eleventh, she texted
Grossman love you five times. Court filings say that the
two met up on a mountain where she asked if
he'd ever killed anyone while in the military in Iraq.
When he said yes, she asked how it felt. Then
on April ninth, she texted, I think I want you
to be my husband one day. Investigators learned about Grossman
(20:39):
through interviews with her family and friends. This isn't in
the documents I'm reading, but this is from a search
warrant of Grossman's phone. In February of twenty twenty two,
Corey texted him if I was divorced right now and
asked you to marry me tomorrow. Would you I just
want to lay on the couch and cuddle you, watch
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a murdered documentary and snuggle. Two weeks later, she texted,
life is going to be different. I promise. I hate
your hard days. I wish I could be there to
turn them around for you. Can I try? Friday? Give
me a few days. Hang in there until then, please.
Corey eventually kicked him out of one of her condos
(21:19):
in Saratoga Springs in November of twenty twenty two, which
left him homeless and living out of a Ford F
one fifty pickup, which he claims Corey gave him. This
was heard on dash cam video after one of his
several run ins with the law. After he was evicted.
Now friends of Corey say she kicked him out because,
according to her, he was using meth. In that dash
(21:42):
cam video, he identified Corey as his girlfriend. Investigators found
this dash cam video after learning of her affair from
family and friends. Now among his alleged crimes, he was
arrested for trespassing, also for the theft of a fourteen
thousand dollars trailer and scissor lift he had rented from
home depot in Salt Lake City. In another incident, he
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was asleep in his truck with the engine running in
a residential neighborhood and there was alcohol in the truck,
including open containers. He was cited for the open containers.
In an Affidavid, Law enforcement said Grossman had several phones
they wanted to examine, including two, he said Corey gave
him in which they communicated on around the time of
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Eric's death. One of the affidavits reads he was an
extramarital sexual partner of Corey's prior to and after the
death of her husband. The state said Corey wanted to
leave Eric for Grossman, but thought a divorce would be
financially difficult and she was afraid of losing her children.
Now it's been reported that Grossman has been granted immunity
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by the state, so we will see. As far as
a divorce consultation, Corey told family and friends she consulted
with a divorce attorney, but that retainer was refunded in
January of twenty twenty two. The fact that Corey considered
divorce and rejected it in favor of causing Eric's death
is relevant and highly probative because the pre marital agreement
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provided Corey would not gain interest in see any if
she and Eric divorce, but she would gain interest if
Eric died while they were still married. The last part
is cell phone deletions. Nearly all of the texts and
other electronic data stored on Corey's phone in the two
months preceding Eric's death and the two weeks following his
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death has been deleted. This is the only mass deletion
found on the phone. A jury could reasonably infer the
defendant caused the deletions. This evidence is relevant to show
Corey's consciousness of guilt, which grounds in the defendant's motive, intent, plan,
absence of mistake, and lack of acace accident in causing
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Eric's death. They also mentioned Corey exchanged a high number
of text messages with the woman she got fentanyl from,
particularly three days leading up to the attempted murder and
then five days before the murder. So that's it for today.
Just wanted to put that out there. A little bit
of digging I did over the weekend through a lot
of the documents. I have to pick out some more
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of these little nuggets that at least I'm not familiar with,
and also just a little bit more about the affairs
she was having. Hope you guys have a good rest
of your evening and we will see you soon.
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