October 27, 2025 • 11 mins
Lori Daybell ordered to pay restitution to Kay Woodcock
Kouri Richins attorneys want a hearing to question the credibility of the drug dealer who allegedly sold the fentanyl that killed Eric Richins
A quick update from the Celeste Rivas Hernandez case.
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Kouri Richins attorneys want a hearing to question the credibility of the drug dealer who allegedly sold the fentanyl that killed Eric Richins
A quick update from the Celeste Rivas Hernandez case.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's in the ala byers. Welcome to another episode of
Pretty Lies and Alibis. I'm Jigi. Good to have you here.
It's Monday, October twenty seventh. Not going to be a
super long episode, but we do have some updates in
some of the cases that we're covering. I was thinking today,
it's been well over five years. I mean, we're coming
up on six years since the kids were reported missing,
(00:21):
and we're starting to get to the restitution hearings, which
is the end of the road. Other than appeals coming up,
it will be largely quiet from here on about Lori
unless something happens in prison that is newsworthy that gets out.
We're also going to cover Cory ritchins her attorneys are
responding to some filings by the state that we went
over last week. And finally, just a small update in
(00:43):
the Celeste Reevus Hernandez case. Not a lot of news
coming out officially, but private investigator on the case finding
out a lot more than what we've been told by
the LAPD. And then we'll wrap it up. So Lori's
restitution hearing took place Friday, October twenty fourth. Prosecutor Trina
Kay says that they did the knowledge, but forgot to
(01:04):
remove the gas receipts and told the judge to remove
three hundred and forty eight dollars and ninety eight cents,
which would make the total restitution owede eighty six hundred
and fifty four dollars. They asked Laurie if she stipulated
to anything regarding restitution. Laurie said that on Wednesday night,
which would have been the twenty second, she got the
documents from her advisory council. Then she learned there was
(01:27):
another document sent to her attorneys on Tuesday, the twenty third,
and that document she has not seen yet. She says
she understands that counseling costs can be included in restitution,
and by counseling costs she means the counseling that Kay
Woodcock has been receiving since all of this unfolded, and
understandably so. But the documents turned over by the state
(01:50):
totaled three thousand, one hundred and forty seven dollars for
that counseling. But to her knowledge, there's been no invoices
from doctors or insurance companies, so the document in and
of itself seems to be insufficient, but she said, based
on how her trials were conducted, regardless of what she
says or does, the judge will order it the restitution,
(02:11):
and so she's willing to stipulate. She also says that
she understands she's been ordered by the court to pay
over five hundred and thirty four thousand dollars for fees, fines,
surcharges and court fees and says, so you can add
miss Woodcock total of twelve thousand, ninety six dollars and
ninety seven cents of restitution too. My tab Tree de
(02:35):
Kay says that with the correction she talked about previously,
the total restitution would be eleven thousand, seven hundred and
forty seven dollars and ninety nine cents. That would be
for k. Woodcock. The judge verifies with Lorie that she
stipulates to that amount, and she says she does. He
asked the obvious questions, have you been under the influence
(02:55):
of any drugs, alcohol, or medication within the last twenty
four hours hours that would have affected her ability to
make that decision. Laurie says, have I been on any drugs?
You'r honor? Is that what you're asking, He says, no,
I'm asking have you had any drugs, alcohol, or medications
that would affect her ability to understand or make the
(03:16):
decision today, meaning she stipulates. Laurie says, is your honor
aware I'm in prison. I have no access to those things.
So the answer is no, I have not. He asked
if anyone has promised her anything orst her, threatened her,
or coerced her to agree to pay restitution, and Laurie says,
only my trials, Your honor coerced me. So the judge
(03:38):
ordered that restitution and says that Kay's portion of the
restitution takes priority that would come out from the maximum
allowable rate out of her prison accounts, meaning when money
is put on her books, a certain percentage will be
deducted from what she actually can spend, and that money
will be forwarded to Kay. Trina. Kay reminds the judge
(03:59):
there still awaiting restitution amounts from Brandon Boudrou. Once that
is put together, she will submit that to Lourie's advisory
council as well as Lourie's investigator. She mentions it seems
Lourie's investigator is able to get this information to her
a little quicker, She says, Miss Woodcock is still ongoing counseling,
so there could be subsequent requests or more restitution. The
(04:22):
judge says that the court retains jurisdiction over restitution as
long as Lori is serving her prison sentence, so for
now he will not set a future date for a
restitution hearing. However, he will wait for one to come in.
And that was it. It was really quick, under ten minutes.
East Idaho News was the one that streamed that, and
(04:43):
you can go over to their channel to watch the
live hearing. Moving on to Celeste Reeves Hernandez. We know
her body was found in singer David's tesla, and there's
been very little come out officially from the LAPD or
the coroner's office, where as we know they are a
waiting toxicology results. However, Steve Fisher is a private investigator
(05:05):
who was hired by the homeowner of the house that
David was renting. Mister Fisher was on Court TV and
gave a little update of what he's found so far,
which is very interesting. He got a video of the
last person to drive that tazla. The video is from
down the street and it shows the car being moved
on July twenty ninth, around midday. And get this, it
(05:27):
is the same day David left to go on tour.
That first stop for him was in San Francisco. Mister
Fisher noted the car was dirty, just like it was
found in what we've seen in photos. Clearly this car
had not been driven in a while. The other thing
he said, which is big, he knows who drove that
car to the final parking spot, but he did not
(05:49):
disclose the identity of that person, obviously not to interfere
with the official investigation by the lapd on X. Mister
Fisher posted that the day Celess was reported missing was
this same day that home was rented by David's manager.
The other thing I'm curious about is why have we
not seen him arrested at minimum for what allegedly was
(06:10):
an inappropriate relationship. I'm sure they are building their case,
gathering their evidence, and if he is charged with that.
We talked about this on a prior episode. You were
talking about some huge charges that could put him away
or pretty much the rest of his life if he
were to be charged and convicted of an inappropriate relationship
with a thirteen year old. We will have to wait
(06:32):
and see. Sometimes these things are a marathon and not
a sprint. It can get frustrating waiting on these charges
to be brought forth. But at the same time, we
always want to make sure these cases are ironclad so
that when somebody is charged and it goes before a jury,
it's a solid case. And if a conviction is handed down,
then there's not much there on appeal and that the
(06:54):
person responsible just goes away. So we will keep an
eye out for any updates. Moving on to Corey Richins.
Just a reminder, we did an episode on this last
week where the drug dealer Robert Crozier changed his story,
saying he did not sell the housekeeper, Carmen Lauber, fentanyl,
but did it meant to selling her oxy conton. That's
(07:15):
key because toxicology showed Eric Richins died due to a
fentanyl overdose. Robert claims he originally said he sold fentanyl
when he was detoxing and essentially made a mistake, didn't
mean to say fentanyl. Her attorneys are asking the judge
to determine the credibility of Robert. In a filing on Thursday,
the defense said the state is relied on only one
(07:37):
of the coroborating witnesses, mister Crozier, to testify that the
pills provided to Miss Lauber were in fact fentanyl. He
is the only witness who could potentially claim a direct
connection between fentanyl and Miss Richins. However, now that he
has stated under oath he did not provide FINONYL to
Miss Lauber, the State is asking the court to find
(08:00):
one of their most important witnesses is no longer credible.
They go on to say, although mister Crozier's credibility will
be determined by a jury, but at this stage they
want the court to listen to mister Crozier to make
that determination. Notably, it is never the job of the
prosecution to determine the credibility of a witness. They want
a hearing to observe Robert's testimony and demeanor, and also
(08:23):
to decide whether his credibility is sufficient to support Corey's
claim that there is no longer a substantial evidence to
support a jury verdict of guilt. They also say, should
this court find his testimony to be credible, the weight
of the evidence in this case will be significantly changed
from that which existed at the time of the last
(08:44):
detention hearing in this manner just a reminder. They're asking
for another hearing about bond, although I don't think she'll
get bond because she's still charged with murder. They say
the elimination of the state's alleged link of fentanyl to
the defendant is a material change in circle stances, and
without it, the state can no longer claim the existence
(09:04):
of a substantial evidence sufficient to support a denial of bail.
The defense also replied to the states filing where the
state said they had no exculplatory evidence to give to
the defense. The defense says that this was not the
state's determination to make. Clearly, Robert's statement recanting the desole
fentanyl is more potentially exculplatory, yet it was not provided
(09:27):
to the defense. Therefore, the state should be required to
turn over all statements made by witnesses as stated above,
so the defense has all potentially exculplatory evidence prior to trial.
That is going to come down to who the jury believes.
Do you believe the housekeeper who knew Eric and actually
felt horrible once she realized what this fentanyl was for,
(09:51):
or are you going to believe someone who was in
jail detoxing from drugs, who was a drug dealer. Of course,
we can't predict what a jury would do, but to me,
I know who I would believe. I think this is
a non issue. But that's just my two cents, which
is worth nothing. Moving on, The Summit County Attorney's office
has also responded to Corey's attorney's request to have Eric's sister, Katie,
(10:13):
who is over the Eric Richands Trust, hand over financials,
saying that she may have paid people who will be
prosecution witnesses in the upcoming trial. They say the motion
intimates that there is some level of mystery or intrigue
surrounding which individuals Katie, as trustee and personal representative has
used as expert witnesses in litigation against Corey. There is not.
(10:37):
In fact, Katie's relationships with Todd Grabler, Brooke Carrington, or
Matthew Throckmorton are quote secrets. They are some of the
worst kept secrets in the world. It is a well known,
undisputed fact that Gabbler is Katie's retained expert. Corey has
known this because Katie transparently broadcasted it to her for
(10:59):
over three year years. Suspected bias is not a free
pass to seize sensitive information. Neither does it excuse litigance
from standard discovery constraints, things such as relevance and proportionality.
Katie has produced to Corey's criminal counsel all non objectable
and discoverable documents. Corey cannot have anything else. Just a reminder.
(11:23):
Corey's trial is set for February twenty third, with jury
selection starting on February tenth of next year. Next year
is going to be a very busy year for trials.
We're going to be all over it. And of course,
if anything new is filed in this case, I'll bring
it to you. That's it for today. Kind of a
short episode, but a few updates I wanted to get in.
(11:43):
I hope you guys have a good rest of your
evening and we will see you soon.
What's in the ala byers. Welcome to another episode of
Pretty Lies and Alibis. I'm Jigi. Good to have you here.
It's Monday, October twenty seventh. Not going to be a
super long episode, but we do have some updates in
some of the cases that we're covering. I was thinking today,
it's been well over five years. I mean, we're coming
up on six years since the kids were reported missing,
(00:21):
and we're starting to get to the restitution hearings, which
is the end of the road. Other than appeals coming up,
it will be largely quiet from here on about Lori
unless something happens in prison that is newsworthy that gets out.
We're also going to cover Cory ritchins her attorneys are
responding to some filings by the state that we went
over last week. And finally, just a small update in
(00:43):
the Celeste Reevus Hernandez case. Not a lot of news
coming out officially, but private investigator on the case finding
out a lot more than what we've been told by
the LAPD. And then we'll wrap it up. So Lori's
restitution hearing took place Friday, October twenty fourth. Prosecutor Trina
Kay says that they did the knowledge, but forgot to
(01:04):
remove the gas receipts and told the judge to remove
three hundred and forty eight dollars and ninety eight cents,
which would make the total restitution owede eighty six hundred
and fifty four dollars. They asked Laurie if she stipulated
to anything regarding restitution. Laurie said that on Wednesday night,
which would have been the twenty second, she got the
documents from her advisory council. Then she learned there was
(01:27):
another document sent to her attorneys on Tuesday, the twenty third,
and that document she has not seen yet. She says
she understands that counseling costs can be included in restitution,
and by counseling costs she means the counseling that Kay
Woodcock has been receiving since all of this unfolded, and
understandably so. But the documents turned over by the state
(01:50):
totaled three thousand, one hundred and forty seven dollars for
that counseling. But to her knowledge, there's been no invoices
from doctors or insurance companies, so the document in and
of itself seems to be insufficient, but she said, based
on how her trials were conducted, regardless of what she
says or does, the judge will order it the restitution,
(02:11):
and so she's willing to stipulate. She also says that
she understands she's been ordered by the court to pay
over five hundred and thirty four thousand dollars for fees, fines,
surcharges and court fees and says, so you can add
miss Woodcock total of twelve thousand, ninety six dollars and
ninety seven cents of restitution too. My tab Tree de
(02:35):
Kay says that with the correction she talked about previously,
the total restitution would be eleven thousand, seven hundred and
forty seven dollars and ninety nine cents. That would be
for k. Woodcock. The judge verifies with Lorie that she
stipulates to that amount, and she says she does. He
asked the obvious questions, have you been under the influence
(02:55):
of any drugs, alcohol, or medication within the last twenty
four hours hours that would have affected her ability to
make that decision. Laurie says, have I been on any drugs?
You'r honor? Is that what you're asking, He says, no,
I'm asking have you had any drugs, alcohol, or medications
that would affect her ability to understand or make the
(03:16):
decision today, meaning she stipulates. Laurie says, is your honor
aware I'm in prison. I have no access to those things.
So the answer is no, I have not. He asked
if anyone has promised her anything orst her, threatened her,
or coerced her to agree to pay restitution, and Laurie says,
only my trials, Your honor coerced me. So the judge
(03:38):
ordered that restitution and says that Kay's portion of the
restitution takes priority that would come out from the maximum
allowable rate out of her prison accounts, meaning when money
is put on her books, a certain percentage will be
deducted from what she actually can spend, and that money
will be forwarded to Kay. Trina. Kay reminds the judge
(03:59):
there still awaiting restitution amounts from Brandon Boudrou. Once that
is put together, she will submit that to Lourie's advisory
council as well as Lourie's investigator. She mentions it seems
Lourie's investigator is able to get this information to her
a little quicker, She says, Miss Woodcock is still ongoing counseling,
so there could be subsequent requests or more restitution. The
(04:22):
judge says that the court retains jurisdiction over restitution as
long as Lori is serving her prison sentence, so for
now he will not set a future date for a
restitution hearing. However, he will wait for one to come in.
And that was it. It was really quick, under ten minutes.
East Idaho News was the one that streamed that, and
(04:43):
you can go over to their channel to watch the
live hearing. Moving on to Celeste Reeves Hernandez. We know
her body was found in singer David's tesla, and there's
been very little come out officially from the LAPD or
the coroner's office, where as we know they are a
waiting toxicology results. However, Steve Fisher is a private investigator
(05:05):
who was hired by the homeowner of the house that
David was renting. Mister Fisher was on Court TV and
gave a little update of what he's found so far,
which is very interesting. He got a video of the
last person to drive that tazla. The video is from
down the street and it shows the car being moved
on July twenty ninth, around midday. And get this, it
(05:27):
is the same day David left to go on tour.
That first stop for him was in San Francisco. Mister
Fisher noted the car was dirty, just like it was
found in what we've seen in photos. Clearly this car
had not been driven in a while. The other thing
he said, which is big, he knows who drove that
car to the final parking spot, but he did not
(05:49):
disclose the identity of that person, obviously not to interfere
with the official investigation by the lapd on X. Mister
Fisher posted that the day Celess was reported missing was
this same day that home was rented by David's manager.
The other thing I'm curious about is why have we
not seen him arrested at minimum for what allegedly was
(06:10):
an inappropriate relationship. I'm sure they are building their case,
gathering their evidence, and if he is charged with that.
We talked about this on a prior episode. You were
talking about some huge charges that could put him away
or pretty much the rest of his life if he
were to be charged and convicted of an inappropriate relationship
with a thirteen year old. We will have to wait
(06:32):
and see. Sometimes these things are a marathon and not
a sprint. It can get frustrating waiting on these charges
to be brought forth. But at the same time, we
always want to make sure these cases are ironclad so
that when somebody is charged and it goes before a jury,
it's a solid case. And if a conviction is handed down,
then there's not much there on appeal and that the
(06:54):
person responsible just goes away. So we will keep an
eye out for any updates. Moving on to Corey Richins.
Just a reminder, we did an episode on this last
week where the drug dealer Robert Crozier changed his story,
saying he did not sell the housekeeper, Carmen Lauber, fentanyl,
but did it meant to selling her oxy conton. That's
(07:15):
key because toxicology showed Eric Richins died due to a
fentanyl overdose. Robert claims he originally said he sold fentanyl
when he was detoxing and essentially made a mistake, didn't
mean to say fentanyl. Her attorneys are asking the judge
to determine the credibility of Robert. In a filing on Thursday,
the defense said the state is relied on only one
(07:37):
of the coroborating witnesses, mister Crozier, to testify that the
pills provided to Miss Lauber were in fact fentanyl. He
is the only witness who could potentially claim a direct
connection between fentanyl and Miss Richins. However, now that he
has stated under oath he did not provide FINONYL to
Miss Lauber, the State is asking the court to find
(08:00):
one of their most important witnesses is no longer credible.
They go on to say, although mister Crozier's credibility will
be determined by a jury, but at this stage they
want the court to listen to mister Crozier to make
that determination. Notably, it is never the job of the
prosecution to determine the credibility of a witness. They want
a hearing to observe Robert's testimony and demeanor, and also
(08:23):
to decide whether his credibility is sufficient to support Corey's
claim that there is no longer a substantial evidence to
support a jury verdict of guilt. They also say, should
this court find his testimony to be credible, the weight
of the evidence in this case will be significantly changed
from that which existed at the time of the last
(08:44):
detention hearing in this manner just a reminder. They're asking
for another hearing about bond, although I don't think she'll
get bond because she's still charged with murder. They say
the elimination of the state's alleged link of fentanyl to
the defendant is a material change in circle stances, and
without it, the state can no longer claim the existence
(09:04):
of a substantial evidence sufficient to support a denial of bail.
The defense also replied to the states filing where the
state said they had no exculplatory evidence to give to
the defense. The defense says that this was not the
state's determination to make. Clearly, Robert's statement recanting the desole
fentanyl is more potentially exculplatory, yet it was not provided
(09:27):
to the defense. Therefore, the state should be required to
turn over all statements made by witnesses as stated above,
so the defense has all potentially exculplatory evidence prior to trial.
That is going to come down to who the jury believes.
Do you believe the housekeeper who knew Eric and actually
felt horrible once she realized what this fentanyl was for,
(09:51):
or are you going to believe someone who was in
jail detoxing from drugs, who was a drug dealer. Of course,
we can't predict what a jury would do, but to me,
I know who I would believe. I think this is
a non issue. But that's just my two cents, which
is worth nothing. Moving on, The Summit County Attorney's office
has also responded to Corey's attorney's request to have Eric's sister, Katie,
(10:13):
who is over the Eric Richands Trust, hand over financials,
saying that she may have paid people who will be
prosecution witnesses in the upcoming trial. They say the motion
intimates that there is some level of mystery or intrigue
surrounding which individuals Katie, as trustee and personal representative has
used as expert witnesses in litigation against Corey. There is not.
(10:37):
In fact, Katie's relationships with Todd Grabler, Brooke Carrington, or
Matthew Throckmorton are quote secrets. They are some of the
worst kept secrets in the world. It is a well known,
undisputed fact that Gabbler is Katie's retained expert. Corey has
known this because Katie transparently broadcasted it to her for
(10:59):
over three year years. Suspected bias is not a free
pass to seize sensitive information. Neither does it excuse litigance
from standard discovery constraints, things such as relevance and proportionality.
Katie has produced to Corey's criminal counsel all non objectable
and discoverable documents. Corey cannot have anything else. Just a reminder.
(11:23):
Corey's trial is set for February twenty third, with jury
selection starting on February tenth of next year. Next year
is going to be a very busy year for trials.
We're going to be all over it. And of course,
if anything new is filed in this case, I'll bring
it to you. That's it for today. Kind of a
short episode, but a few updates I wanted to get in.
(11:43):
I hope you guys have a good rest of your
evening and we will see you soon.
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