December 2, 2025 • 20 mins
Day 2 starts with Lead Investigator Harrison Schmidt who talks about the final interview with Brian before his arrest and a search warrant of the home.
After cross exam, Nicholas Guarino takes the stand and testifies to electronics found in the house and brings in the searches found on Brian's Macbook.
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After cross exam, Nicholas Guarino takes the stand and testifies to electronics found in the house and brings in the searches found on Brian's Macbook.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What to Know Alibiers. Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis. I'm Gigi, good to have you here.
It's Tuesday, December second. Yesterday I posted the recaps in
two separate parts, and a lot of you like that
because people said they could listen to it on their
way home from work and then have a shorter episode
in the evening, or they're at work and they listen
on their lunch break, and honestly, it helps me to
(00:21):
not be up so late. So I'm going to try
to do this in two parts every day. Do the
before lunch session, which typically is longer, and then we'll
recap the last couple of hours in the evening. If
you're watching on YouTube, don't forget to hit subscribe and
liking the video is one of the easiest ways you
can help push out my content to other people who
may not know I exist, So I appreciate you, guys.
(00:42):
We're going to jump right back in Arison. Schmidt is
still on the stand. He is on Direct Exam, and
they start right back with that recorded interview. Brian is
asked if Anna changed her flight and he doesn't know.
He said, Anna changed her flight schedule, allowing her to
leave two days early, and this isn't the first time
she's done that. He said it was odd, but considering
(01:04):
the last couple of months, it wasn't something that he
would raise an eyebrow to. Their plan for New Year's
Day was she may have come with him to see
his mother or the whole family would have done something
for New Year's Eve, he did say, honest in a
photo to William Fosto, who was her boyfriend. When she
told him she had to leave early, it took him
by surprise. He said they had previously argued about Thanksgiving
(01:27):
and Christmas Eve about her work schedule, so he didn't
want to argue again. They were working on their January
and February schedule of when she would be home. They
asked if he did anything to hurt his wife, and
he said he would never do that. He's asked if
anything ever escalated to physical confrontation and speaking in the
past tense. He said, my wife and I got along
(01:49):
very well. Then he said he loved her. He says
he got angry about Thanksgiving and he realized he was
just sad they weren't spending more time together. He said,
my wife and I were a very good team. The
interview goes on for a while. There's just basic chit chat.
Does SIGNA have any enemies things like that. At this point,
the judge reads an email to the jury that was
(02:11):
sent to investigator Schmidt on January seventh. The email says
they have Anna. They had a deal worth one hundred
and twenty seven thousand dollars and she messed up. It
says we have her here with us and if she
doesn't pay the money, she will never be back. They
received a second email that said unless she pays the money,
she isn't coming back. The second email had a photo
(02:33):
of a woman who was not Ana. Investigators did a
reverse image search and found that photo was among stock
kidnapping photos. They did execute a search warrant on the
email account and the IP address was located in Nigeria.
Nothing at all from the US, and the judge tells
the jury the Commonwealth does not implicate Brian in sending
(02:55):
that email. In fact, that second email was sent after
Brian had been arrested were on his murder. After they
did the press conference on January sixth, Investigator Schmidt said
he was overloaded with tips from the public and the
reason his email was put out there publicly as a
point of contact. This is possibly how the scammers got
(03:15):
his email address. January eighth, they decide to execute a
search warrant Brian and on his home. Brian, his mom,
and all three kids were there. He also told his attorney,
who came to the scene and then they left with her.
Lead investigator Schmidt spoke with Brian again as his attorney's home.
Trooper to Chico and former Trooper Proctor, both of those
(03:38):
guys from the Karen Reid trial were there as well
as Brian's attorney. They played the recording. It was very
hard to hear and I caught very little, but they
talk about where he went after he left his house
on New Year's Day and also on the second He's
asked what devices he used. He said his phones and
then the Apple laptop. He said, is so one would
(04:00):
have been the one to use the iPad and he
says he doesn't use it at all. They confront Brian
about the searches on the iPad, like how to dispose
of a body, how to get blood off of hardwood floors,
stopping a body from decomposing. They ask Brian how do
you explain that? And Brian says he has no idea.
(04:20):
On the afternoon of January first, when Anna is gone,
there are more searches does the dishwasher remove blood from
a knife? That search continues into January second about dismembering
a body, And they also bring up the fact that
on January first, in the afternoon, Anna at this point
already dead. There are more searches does the dishwasher remove
(04:43):
blood from a knife? And then that search continues into
January second with searches about dismembering a body. After that interview,
they went back to the police station and they saw
Brian later on around four pm at the home of
his attorney, and that's when he.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Was placed under arrest.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They looked at his hands and saw a cut on
his thumb, so they took a photo of that and
they showed that in court. January ninth, investigators collected dumpsters
and sent those to a trash transfer station in Peabody
for examination. There were state troopers also there. They emptied
the bags inside the warehouse and spread the contents out
(05:21):
on the ground. If they found things that were important,
those things were photographed and collected into evidence. Among the
items photographed was plastic sheeting, waterproof rain boots. There was
a sock in the photo, a purse, a jacket, contents
from the purse like lipstick and a hairtie. Her Hunter
boots were there, as well as her COVID card. They
(05:44):
also started looking to Hona's financials. A bank account of
Anna's was overdrawn by eight hundred dollars in the month
of January. They looked at her Jet Blue card statement.
The last charge on that was on December thirty first,
when she went to the nail salon. Her Chase card
showed some purchases for airline tickets on October thirtieth, with
(06:06):
the travel date of November twenty twenty two to Dublin.
Just a reminder, this is the trip where she met
up with her boyfriend for a couple of days before
going to Serbia. There was another airfare purchase on the
same date that was going from Dublin to Serbia with
connecting flights in between, and the travel date for that
was November twenty seventh, twenty twenty two. December seventh, there
(06:28):
was a flight from Serbia to Boston via Frankfurt, and
there were other connections in there to get to Frankfurt.
On December seventh, there was a flight from Serbia to Boston.
She went through Frankfurt and some other connections as well.
They show a Fidelity rollover IRA account with a value
of ninety three thousand.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Six hundred and fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Another Fidelity investment account had a balance of one hundred
and seventeen thousand, seven hundred and nineteen dollars. The judge
explains the sentencing for Brian's art Fraug case. Brian asked
for probation and the government asked for thirty plus months
of incarceration. But in January of twenty twenty three, at
(07:10):
the time he was arrested, he had not been sentenced
on cross which was really weak in my opinion, But
these defense attorneys really don't have much to work with,
to be honest. The defense points out the financials do
not show any withdrawals by Brian. The flight purchase records
came from Chase. They didn't find any records in the
home or in Brian's possession. When you were asking Brian
(07:33):
questions on January fourth, fifth, seventh, and eighth, he never
said anything about Anna being in Dublin or that he
suspected her being there.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He says no.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
When talking to Brian on those days, he told you
about the federal case and admitted it was his fault.
There are no other federal cases, correct.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
January eighth, around four pm, you went to his attorney's
house and arrested him and he's remained in custody. One
of the emails occurred after Brian was in custody, and
he's referring to that ransom email, and the witness verifies
that's correct. That second one, by the way, came on
February tenth. He's asked, even though the stipulation agreed Brian
(08:14):
had nothing to do with the emails, you and the
detectives knew early on that the tip had nothing to
do with Brian, and the witness said that was their understanding.
On the January eighth interview at his attorney's house, you
and your colleagues had done an investigation on an iPad,
which was one of the suns.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And when you posed questions to.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Brian about these searches, did his demeanor change And the
witness says yes. The defense says he looked and sounded sad. Yes,
you were talking about his oldest son's iPad. He said
he didn't know anything about those searches, and you learned
the searches you asked about were not conducted on the iPad.
(08:53):
The witness said that the searches were sinked to the
iPad but did not happen on the iPad. Defense says
he didn't use his son's iPad to search, and the
witness says correct.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
He asks again, when you asked about the searches.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
His demeanor changed and he looks sad, and the witness says, yes,
maybe because it's pretty damning that investigators found out you're
googling all these things and we're going to get into
these searches. Here in just a minute, you showed what
appeared to be cuts on his hands. You don't know
when they happened. Then, the witness said, well, obviously before
the photo was taken, and the defense says, obviously. January fourth,
(09:30):
after talking to Brian, you and another detective looked at
the inside and the outside of the home looking for
anything suspicious. And you looked inside the ball though, and
Brian was there. You made a note of the plastic
liner and the seedling from a tree. Was that plastic seized,
and the witness said no. The defense asked was other
plastic recovered and was it compared to the one in
(09:52):
the car. The witness said other plastic was recovered, but
he was not aware of any scientific comparison. The defense
points out that Brian did not prevent investigators from looking
in the car. As far as the hole in the ceiling,
he's asked if he saw it on first walk around
of the house. The witness knows he saw it on
the fifth, but he remembers also he wasn't surprised by
(10:15):
the hole in the ceiling, and he also knew that
missing ceiling tie was found in a drawer just under
where the hole was. The defense points out that Brian
showed the investigator where the missing pieces were, and he agrees.
The witness said that Brian told him he was in
the attic walking around when the piece fell out, and
that was before January. First, the defense asks about the
(10:37):
color of the insulation in the attic and was it pink.
The witness says yes, and then the defense asks was
the basement insulation also pink, and he says yes. The
defense asked about the witness going into the basement with
Brian and seeing those garbage backs. The witness said, yes,
he did not open them, and he touched the bag
(10:59):
with his boot. He's asked what he thought was in
the bag, and he said maybe a piece of rug
or a carpet sample. The defense asked if the investigator
noticed the bottom step was cracked, and he said not
at that time, and also the floor in the basement
was concrete. The defense asked if they found anything significant
in the pool when they used the scraper.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
He said no.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Defence points out you're aware of a search on the
MacBook about measuring blood in a pool, and the witness
says yes. The defense asked if the canine hit on
anything in the pool. The witness said it was outside
the fence doing the track, but it didn't hit on
anything significant at all. This was really like a play
on words, and I don't really know why this was important.
(11:42):
But the defense says, there's no such thing as I messenger,
and the witness says, there's I message. The defense says,
but not i'm messenger. No, when you talked to Brian
on January fourth, he 's the term I'm messenger. The
witness says, either I'm messenger or I'm Message. Defense says,
you testified about that at the grand jury, and you
(12:04):
stated when Brian was talking about I Messenger, he was
actually talking about Facebook Messenger. The witness said the portion
of the interview they were on, they were talking about
the social media messenger aspect. Defense says, when you talked
about Anna's I Messenger coming to his phone, he was
referring to I Messenger, meaning Facebook. But you're aware there's
(12:28):
no forensic evidence that Brian ever saw the messages that
may have happened between Anna and William Fosto. The witness
says he doesn't remember seeing any forensic evidence of that. Defense,
one of the names Brian gave you was William Fosto,
the man who sold the townhouse to Brian and Anna,
But he didn't sound angry, the witness said, no. You
(12:50):
and your fellow officers asked if you knew about any
affairs more than once because it could be used in
the investigation. Do you expect people to give you harmful inform?
There was a couple of objections that were sustained and
they just moved on. On the January seventh interview, Brian
was told obviously with on a missing the public, and
(13:10):
many people are going to have their suspicions about you
and whether you had anything to do with their disappearance.
You were warning him people would suspect him, and so
it's true when something happens like a missing person, people
don't believe people who may be suspected. There's an objection,
but the judge allows the witness to answer. The witness
(13:31):
said he didn't make that statement, but the defense says,
your colleague did. The witness says that they were discussing
that people may suspect him, and Brian said his attorney
told him that too. That was the end of cross.
There was no redirect. I'm not really sure anything beneficial
came out of that cross, but the man's got a
job to do right. The next witness, Trooper Nicholas Gerno,
(13:53):
They bring in photos of electronic devices that they found
and seized in Brian's home, and then they show those
photograph separately. On the kitchen table there was a red
iPhone thirteen Mini and an iPad. The dining room table,
two Apple laptops and another Apple laptop that was inside
a Manila envelope. In the master bedroom there was an
(14:15):
iPhone se plugged into the wall charger in one of
the kid's bedrooms. There was an iPad, another iPad in
another kid's room. That one had a busted screen. All
the devices were taken to the Digital Evidence Lab. They
got search warrants and then ran forensics on all those devices.
Ryan's MacBook had an Apple ID that was associated with
(14:38):
his email for the company he worked with. No, y'all,
I'm all for waiting until all the evidence has been
heard and it's time for deliberations before coming to a conclusion.
But I can't imagine any of these jurors went to
lunch today after hearing about all these searches thinking maybe
the guy's innocent.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'm not going to give.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The time stamps of each s, but I kind of
will throw one in every now and then to show
the range of time. He was actively searching for stuff
January first, starting at four fifty two am. Ten ways
to dispose of a dead body if you really need to.
How long before a body starts to smell? How long
for someone to be missing for inheritance, can you throw
(15:20):
away body parts? How long for someone to be missing
to be dead? He did a search for Anna's work
at seven forty eight am there was a Google search
for Low's Another search what does formaldehyde do? How long
does DNA last? Is it possible to clean DNA off
of a knife? Next search nine at thirty five am.
(15:42):
Can identification be made on partial human remains? Out of
dispose of a cell phone? Out of dispose of a computer?
I'm a user on my wife's credit card. She is missing?
Can I still use the card? My wife is missing?
What should I do? Your spouse is missing and you
want a divorce? The next search eleven twenty eight am.
(16:07):
Best ways to dispose of body parts after murder? Six
ways to dispose of a body. This was from a
website Murder Murder Murder Patrick Kearney who is the trash
bag killer who would dispose of his victims and trash bags?
There was a YouTube video he watched cleaning up a
dead body, dismemberment and the best ways to dispose of
(16:28):
a body? Can I use bleach to clean my wood
floors bloodstains? What does bleach do to dead bodies? Want
to get away with murder? Use special detergent? Is it
better to throw crime scene clothes away or wash them?
How to use hydrogen peroxide? On bloodstains. How to clean
(16:49):
bloodstains with hydrogen peroxide? That was a YouTube video. Should
I use hydrogen peroxide on bloodstains on concrete floor? Can
the FBI tell when you act 's your phone? Does
the dishwasher clean blood? The next search one fifty two
pm Is it possible a knife which have blood on
it containing HIV after it has been washed with hot
(17:12):
water and dishwasher soap? Going into January second, two am.
How to remove a SIM card from an iPhone? He
visited an Apple support website. Remove or switch simcard in
your iPhone? How to remove hard drive from Apple laptop?
TJ max near me Norwell. Moving on to ten forty
(17:33):
three am. How long do stores keep security footage still?
January second, twelve, twenty seven pm. How to saw a body?
How to dismember a body? Hacksaw the best tool for
dismembering a body. Details of dismemberment discussed in a murder trial.
Can you be charged without a body? Murder conviction without
(17:55):
a body? Slash Wikipedia, no corpse, no problem? Notable murder
convictions without a body, And that came from A and
E True Crime's website. Can you identify a body with
broken teeth. We're up to one fourteen pm. Disposing of
a body in the trash you looked for some apartments
in Chatham West and Claremont also rentals Addington, Massachusetts. Seven
(18:21):
oh nine pm Can I mix white vinegar to stop smells?
Moving on to January third, one fifteen am can baking
soda make a dead body smell good? Cleaning up blood
without leaving a trace? Aftermath services six fifty five am.
Our footprints easy to wash away? One o two pm
How long for dismembered body to decompose? Body found at
(18:45):
trash station? Can a body decompose in a plastic garbage bag?
Can police get your search history without your computer? Moving
on to January fourth, eight fifty five pm. Does a
cell phone track your historical location? January seventh, three fifty
eight pm chase credit card log in? There was also
(19:05):
a Gmail log in through the web, not on the app.
At this point, there were no more searches on the MacBook,
but they did look at searches before on A went missing,
which include cheating wife seduces another man to impregnate her,
Scarlet scandal That was from a website called Pornhub. December
twenty seventh, twenty twenty two, twelve oh six am chat
(19:28):
with Miss Underscore b in a live video chat room.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Other searches include best divorce strategies for Men. He stayed
on that website for around seven minutes or so. Best
State to Divorce for a Man, Five best and five
worst states to get divorced, Washington, DC divorce laws. He
visited several websites about divorce, also a chase log in
(19:53):
and then replay poker and remember in opening statements, his
attorney indicated maybe Brian and Anna were looking to get
divorced to protect assets due to the fact he was
ordered to pay four hundred thousand dollars in restitution in
that art fraud case. That was where we broke for lunch.
So I will be back this evening wrapping up the
(20:14):
last two hours of testimony today. That is it for now.
Hope you guys have a good rest of your afternoon
and we will see us soon.
What to Know Alibiers. Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis. I'm Gigi, good to have you here.
It's Tuesday, December second. Yesterday I posted the recaps in
two separate parts, and a lot of you like that
because people said they could listen to it on their
way home from work and then have a shorter episode
in the evening, or they're at work and they listen
on their lunch break, and honestly, it helps me to
(00:21):
not be up so late. So I'm going to try
to do this in two parts every day. Do the
before lunch session, which typically is longer, and then we'll
recap the last couple of hours in the evening. If
you're watching on YouTube, don't forget to hit subscribe and
liking the video is one of the easiest ways you
can help push out my content to other people who
may not know I exist, So I appreciate you, guys.
(00:42):
We're going to jump right back in Arison. Schmidt is
still on the stand. He is on Direct Exam, and
they start right back with that recorded interview. Brian is
asked if Anna changed her flight and he doesn't know.
He said, Anna changed her flight schedule, allowing her to
leave two days early, and this isn't the first time
she's done that. He said it was odd, but considering
(01:04):
the last couple of months, it wasn't something that he
would raise an eyebrow to. Their plan for New Year's
Day was she may have come with him to see
his mother or the whole family would have done something
for New Year's Eve, he did say, honest in a
photo to William Fosto, who was her boyfriend. When she
told him she had to leave early, it took him
by surprise. He said they had previously argued about Thanksgiving
(01:27):
and Christmas Eve about her work schedule, so he didn't
want to argue again. They were working on their January
and February schedule of when she would be home. They
asked if he did anything to hurt his wife, and
he said he would never do that. He's asked if
anything ever escalated to physical confrontation and speaking in the
past tense. He said, my wife and I got along
(01:49):
very well. Then he said he loved her. He says
he got angry about Thanksgiving and he realized he was
just sad they weren't spending more time together. He said,
my wife and I were a very good team. The
interview goes on for a while. There's just basic chit chat.
Does SIGNA have any enemies things like that. At this point,
the judge reads an email to the jury that was
(02:11):
sent to investigator Schmidt on January seventh. The email says
they have Anna. They had a deal worth one hundred
and twenty seven thousand dollars and she messed up. It
says we have her here with us and if she
doesn't pay the money, she will never be back. They
received a second email that said unless she pays the money,
she isn't coming back. The second email had a photo
(02:33):
of a woman who was not Ana. Investigators did a
reverse image search and found that photo was among stock
kidnapping photos. They did execute a search warrant on the
email account and the IP address was located in Nigeria.
Nothing at all from the US, and the judge tells
the jury the Commonwealth does not implicate Brian in sending
(02:55):
that email. In fact, that second email was sent after
Brian had been arrested were on his murder. After they
did the press conference on January sixth, Investigator Schmidt said
he was overloaded with tips from the public and the
reason his email was put out there publicly as a
point of contact. This is possibly how the scammers got
(03:15):
his email address. January eighth, they decide to execute a
search warrant Brian and on his home. Brian, his mom,
and all three kids were there. He also told his attorney,
who came to the scene and then they left with her.
Lead investigator Schmidt spoke with Brian again as his attorney's home.
Trooper to Chico and former Trooper Proctor, both of those
(03:38):
guys from the Karen Reid trial were there as well
as Brian's attorney. They played the recording. It was very
hard to hear and I caught very little, but they
talk about where he went after he left his house
on New Year's Day and also on the second He's
asked what devices he used. He said his phones and
then the Apple laptop. He said, is so one would
(04:00):
have been the one to use the iPad and he
says he doesn't use it at all. They confront Brian
about the searches on the iPad, like how to dispose
of a body, how to get blood off of hardwood floors,
stopping a body from decomposing. They ask Brian how do
you explain that? And Brian says he has no idea.
(04:20):
On the afternoon of January first, when Anna is gone,
there are more searches does the dishwasher remove blood from
a knife? That search continues into January second about dismembering
a body, And they also bring up the fact that
on January first, in the afternoon, Anna at this point
already dead. There are more searches does the dishwasher remove
(04:43):
blood from a knife? And then that search continues into
January second with searches about dismembering a body. After that interview,
they went back to the police station and they saw
Brian later on around four pm at the home of
his attorney, and that's when he.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Was placed under arrest.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They looked at his hands and saw a cut on
his thumb, so they took a photo of that and
they showed that in court. January ninth, investigators collected dumpsters
and sent those to a trash transfer station in Peabody
for examination. There were state troopers also there. They emptied
the bags inside the warehouse and spread the contents out
(05:21):
on the ground. If they found things that were important,
those things were photographed and collected into evidence. Among the
items photographed was plastic sheeting, waterproof rain boots. There was
a sock in the photo, a purse, a jacket, contents
from the purse like lipstick and a hairtie. Her Hunter
boots were there, as well as her COVID card. They
(05:44):
also started looking to Hona's financials. A bank account of
Anna's was overdrawn by eight hundred dollars in the month
of January. They looked at her Jet Blue card statement.
The last charge on that was on December thirty first,
when she went to the nail salon. Her Chase card
showed some purchases for airline tickets on October thirtieth, with
(06:06):
the travel date of November twenty twenty two to Dublin.
Just a reminder, this is the trip where she met
up with her boyfriend for a couple of days before
going to Serbia. There was another airfare purchase on the
same date that was going from Dublin to Serbia with
connecting flights in between, and the travel date for that
was November twenty seventh, twenty twenty two. December seventh, there
(06:28):
was a flight from Serbia to Boston via Frankfurt, and
there were other connections in there to get to Frankfurt.
On December seventh, there was a flight from Serbia to Boston.
She went through Frankfurt and some other connections as well.
They show a Fidelity rollover IRA account with a value
of ninety three thousand.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Six hundred and fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Another Fidelity investment account had a balance of one hundred
and seventeen thousand, seven hundred and nineteen dollars. The judge
explains the sentencing for Brian's art Fraug case. Brian asked
for probation and the government asked for thirty plus months
of incarceration. But in January of twenty twenty three, at
(07:10):
the time he was arrested, he had not been sentenced
on cross which was really weak in my opinion, But
these defense attorneys really don't have much to work with,
to be honest. The defense points out the financials do
not show any withdrawals by Brian. The flight purchase records
came from Chase. They didn't find any records in the
home or in Brian's possession. When you were asking Brian
(07:33):
questions on January fourth, fifth, seventh, and eighth, he never
said anything about Anna being in Dublin or that he
suspected her being there.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He says no.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
When talking to Brian on those days, he told you
about the federal case and admitted it was his fault.
There are no other federal cases, correct.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
January eighth, around four pm, you went to his attorney's
house and arrested him and he's remained in custody. One
of the emails occurred after Brian was in custody, and
he's referring to that ransom email, and the witness verifies
that's correct. That second one, by the way, came on
February tenth. He's asked, even though the stipulation agreed Brian
(08:14):
had nothing to do with the emails, you and the
detectives knew early on that the tip had nothing to
do with Brian, and the witness said that was their understanding.
On the January eighth interview at his attorney's house, you
and your colleagues had done an investigation on an iPad,
which was one of the suns.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And when you posed questions to.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Brian about these searches, did his demeanor change And the
witness says yes. The defense says he looked and sounded sad. Yes,
you were talking about his oldest son's iPad. He said
he didn't know anything about those searches, and you learned
the searches you asked about were not conducted on the iPad.
(08:53):
The witness said that the searches were sinked to the
iPad but did not happen on the iPad. Defense says
he didn't use his son's iPad to search, and the
witness says correct.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
He asks again, when you asked about the searches.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
His demeanor changed and he looks sad, and the witness says, yes,
maybe because it's pretty damning that investigators found out you're
googling all these things and we're going to get into
these searches. Here in just a minute, you showed what
appeared to be cuts on his hands. You don't know
when they happened. Then, the witness said, well, obviously before
the photo was taken, and the defense says, obviously. January fourth,
(09:30):
after talking to Brian, you and another detective looked at
the inside and the outside of the home looking for
anything suspicious. And you looked inside the ball though, and
Brian was there. You made a note of the plastic
liner and the seedling from a tree. Was that plastic seized,
and the witness said no. The defense asked was other
plastic recovered and was it compared to the one in
(09:52):
the car. The witness said other plastic was recovered, but
he was not aware of any scientific comparison. The defense
points out that Brian did not prevent investigators from looking
in the car. As far as the hole in the ceiling,
he's asked if he saw it on first walk around
of the house. The witness knows he saw it on
the fifth, but he remembers also he wasn't surprised by
(10:15):
the hole in the ceiling, and he also knew that
missing ceiling tie was found in a drawer just under
where the hole was. The defense points out that Brian
showed the investigator where the missing pieces were, and he agrees.
The witness said that Brian told him he was in
the attic walking around when the piece fell out, and
that was before January. First, the defense asks about the
(10:37):
color of the insulation in the attic and was it pink.
The witness says yes, and then the defense asks was
the basement insulation also pink, and he says yes. The
defense asked about the witness going into the basement with
Brian and seeing those garbage backs. The witness said, yes,
he did not open them, and he touched the bag
(10:59):
with his boot. He's asked what he thought was in
the bag, and he said maybe a piece of rug
or a carpet sample. The defense asked if the investigator
noticed the bottom step was cracked, and he said not
at that time, and also the floor in the basement
was concrete. The defense asked if they found anything significant
in the pool when they used the scraper.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
He said no.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Defence points out you're aware of a search on the
MacBook about measuring blood in a pool, and the witness
says yes. The defense asked if the canine hit on
anything in the pool. The witness said it was outside
the fence doing the track, but it didn't hit on
anything significant at all. This was really like a play
on words, and I don't really know why this was important.
(11:42):
But the defense says, there's no such thing as I messenger,
and the witness says, there's I message. The defense says,
but not i'm messenger. No, when you talked to Brian
on January fourth, he 's the term I'm messenger. The
witness says, either I'm messenger or I'm Message. Defense says,
you testified about that at the grand jury, and you
(12:04):
stated when Brian was talking about I Messenger, he was
actually talking about Facebook Messenger. The witness said the portion
of the interview they were on, they were talking about
the social media messenger aspect. Defense says, when you talked
about Anna's I Messenger coming to his phone, he was
referring to I Messenger, meaning Facebook. But you're aware there's
(12:28):
no forensic evidence that Brian ever saw the messages that
may have happened between Anna and William Fosto. The witness
says he doesn't remember seeing any forensic evidence of that. Defense,
one of the names Brian gave you was William Fosto,
the man who sold the townhouse to Brian and Anna,
But he didn't sound angry, the witness said, no. You
(12:50):
and your fellow officers asked if you knew about any
affairs more than once because it could be used in
the investigation. Do you expect people to give you harmful inform?
There was a couple of objections that were sustained and
they just moved on. On the January seventh interview, Brian
was told obviously with on a missing the public, and
(13:10):
many people are going to have their suspicions about you
and whether you had anything to do with their disappearance.
You were warning him people would suspect him, and so
it's true when something happens like a missing person, people
don't believe people who may be suspected. There's an objection,
but the judge allows the witness to answer. The witness
(13:31):
said he didn't make that statement, but the defense says,
your colleague did. The witness says that they were discussing
that people may suspect him, and Brian said his attorney
told him that too. That was the end of cross.
There was no redirect. I'm not really sure anything beneficial
came out of that cross, but the man's got a
job to do right. The next witness, Trooper Nicholas Gerno,
(13:53):
They bring in photos of electronic devices that they found
and seized in Brian's home, and then they show those
photograph separately. On the kitchen table there was a red
iPhone thirteen Mini and an iPad. The dining room table,
two Apple laptops and another Apple laptop that was inside
a Manila envelope. In the master bedroom there was an
(14:15):
iPhone se plugged into the wall charger in one of
the kid's bedrooms. There was an iPad, another iPad in
another kid's room. That one had a busted screen. All
the devices were taken to the Digital Evidence Lab. They
got search warrants and then ran forensics on all those devices.
Ryan's MacBook had an Apple ID that was associated with
(14:38):
his email for the company he worked with. No, y'all,
I'm all for waiting until all the evidence has been
heard and it's time for deliberations before coming to a conclusion.
But I can't imagine any of these jurors went to
lunch today after hearing about all these searches thinking maybe
the guy's innocent.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'm not going to give.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The time stamps of each s, but I kind of
will throw one in every now and then to show
the range of time. He was actively searching for stuff
January first, starting at four fifty two am. Ten ways
to dispose of a dead body if you really need to.
How long before a body starts to smell? How long
for someone to be missing for inheritance, can you throw
(15:20):
away body parts? How long for someone to be missing
to be dead? He did a search for Anna's work
at seven forty eight am there was a Google search
for Low's Another search what does formaldehyde do? How long
does DNA last? Is it possible to clean DNA off
of a knife? Next search nine at thirty five am.
(15:42):
Can identification be made on partial human remains? Out of
dispose of a cell phone? Out of dispose of a computer?
I'm a user on my wife's credit card. She is missing?
Can I still use the card? My wife is missing?
What should I do? Your spouse is missing and you
want a divorce? The next search eleven twenty eight am.
(16:07):
Best ways to dispose of body parts after murder? Six
ways to dispose of a body. This was from a
website Murder Murder Murder Patrick Kearney who is the trash
bag killer who would dispose of his victims and trash bags?
There was a YouTube video he watched cleaning up a
dead body, dismemberment and the best ways to dispose of
(16:28):
a body? Can I use bleach to clean my wood
floors bloodstains? What does bleach do to dead bodies? Want
to get away with murder? Use special detergent? Is it
better to throw crime scene clothes away or wash them?
How to use hydrogen peroxide? On bloodstains. How to clean
(16:49):
bloodstains with hydrogen peroxide? That was a YouTube video. Should
I use hydrogen peroxide on bloodstains on concrete floor? Can
the FBI tell when you act 's your phone? Does
the dishwasher clean blood? The next search one fifty two
pm Is it possible a knife which have blood on
it containing HIV after it has been washed with hot
(17:12):
water and dishwasher soap? Going into January second, two am.
How to remove a SIM card from an iPhone? He
visited an Apple support website. Remove or switch simcard in
your iPhone? How to remove hard drive from Apple laptop?
TJ max near me Norwell. Moving on to ten forty
(17:33):
three am. How long do stores keep security footage still?
January second, twelve, twenty seven pm. How to saw a body?
How to dismember a body? Hacksaw the best tool for
dismembering a body. Details of dismemberment discussed in a murder trial.
Can you be charged without a body? Murder conviction without
(17:55):
a body? Slash Wikipedia, no corpse, no problem? Notable murder
convictions without a body, And that came from A and
E True Crime's website. Can you identify a body with
broken teeth. We're up to one fourteen pm. Disposing of
a body in the trash you looked for some apartments
in Chatham West and Claremont also rentals Addington, Massachusetts. Seven
(18:21):
oh nine pm Can I mix white vinegar to stop smells?
Moving on to January third, one fifteen am can baking
soda make a dead body smell good? Cleaning up blood
without leaving a trace? Aftermath services six fifty five am.
Our footprints easy to wash away? One o two pm
How long for dismembered body to decompose? Body found at
(18:45):
trash station? Can a body decompose in a plastic garbage bag?
Can police get your search history without your computer? Moving
on to January fourth, eight fifty five pm. Does a
cell phone track your historical location? January seventh, three fifty
eight pm chase credit card log in? There was also
(19:05):
a Gmail log in through the web, not on the app.
At this point, there were no more searches on the MacBook,
but they did look at searches before on A went missing,
which include cheating wife seduces another man to impregnate her,
Scarlet scandal That was from a website called Pornhub. December
twenty seventh, twenty twenty two, twelve oh six am chat
(19:28):
with Miss Underscore b in a live video chat room.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Other searches include best divorce strategies for Men. He stayed
on that website for around seven minutes or so. Best
State to Divorce for a Man, Five best and five
worst states to get divorced, Washington, DC divorce laws. He
visited several websites about divorce, also a chase log in
(19:53):
and then replay poker and remember in opening statements, his
attorney indicated maybe Brian and Anna were looking to get
divorced to protect assets due to the fact he was
ordered to pay four hundred thousand dollars in restitution in
that art fraud case. That was where we broke for lunch.
So I will be back this evening wrapping up the
(20:14):
last two hours of testimony today. That is it for now.
Hope you guys have a good rest of your afternoon
and we will see us soon.
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