August 28, 2025 • 16 mins
Sgt Corbitt finishes on cross, several witnesses lay foundation for the wiretaps and surveillance, and then FBI Sp Agt Sanford hits the stand to bring all of it in
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What you know. Alibia's Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis, I'm Gigi. Good to have you here.
It's Thursday, August twenty eighth. Sorry I didn't get yesterday's
part two. Out went and spent some time with my
grammy in the hospital. She had a procedure yesterday and
was not feeling good at all last night, but she's
much better today. So we are back at it. Yesterday
(00:20):
we left off with Sergeant Corbett on cross exam, and
essentially they're just attacking the cell phone records and the
reliability of locations and things like that. They talk about
the called detail records being generated by the carriers for
business purposes and they don't provide precise geolocation for those handsets.
(00:41):
The defense points out that the closer you are to
a cell tower, the better signal, and then the better
location you can get. They ask at the text that
Donna asked Charlie to delete, was it actually deleted and
it wasn't completely It was still in Charlie's iCloud. They
point out that you can't tell who answered the landline
(01:02):
during all the calls they mentioned, and you don't know
what was discussed between all of the parties and there's
no context of some of the text messages that took place,
and the witness agrees. They call into question the drive
that Sergeant Corbett recreatings, saying that he had no records
of any traffic conditions from twenty fourteen, He didn't factor
in any stops that Donna and Harvey may have had,
(01:25):
and they can't physically put Donna's phone at Charlie's house.
The witness says that their handsets have created events at
their homes, so you can say where they were. He's
asked if the seven calls between Charlie and Donna during
the first trip they made to Tallahassee indicate a spike
in calls, and the witness said they were not an
(01:45):
abnormal amount of communications between the two or the July trip.
He points out that the killers were there for a
thirty eight hour time period, and the witness says there
was the potential to exchange information between all of the
parties in the thirty eight hour timeframe. They move on
to the EVI invitation and say, in twenty fourteen, do
(02:07):
you have knowledge of how that website operated? No, you
can't say Donna created the evite. The defense says, you
indicated Donna was not familiar with that process, and you
can't say she created that invite. The witness said, I
can only say she asks if her invitations have been
sent and also talks about how she entered the contacts
(02:28):
to invite. There were hundreds of thousands of emails that
they recovered in this case. By the way, the witness said,
he's only seen a subset of those emails that were
recovered from that account. They bring up an email where
Dan contacted Wendy in January of twenty fourteen about their
schedule with the kids. The defense says, are you aware
(02:50):
there are other emails and texts between the two of
them where that was modified. The witness said he's not
aware of any changes. And then he's asked, how do
you decide what to include in your presentation. The witness said,
the emails are reviewed by whoever investigated the case, and
then those are given to the State Attorney's office. From
there they determine what should be put in the presentations.
(03:13):
The defense says that Wendy's phone was searched with consent
and that Wendy gave a lengthy interview to law enforcement
and voluntarily provided her phone. There was an overlapping call
between Wendy and Donna at eight oh nine am on
the day of the murder. The defense says it's possible
that Donna call Verse or Wendy did. The defense asks
about being able to narrow that down with getting the
(03:35):
seconds on that report to see who actually called first.
He said he could get those, but they're not on
this presentation. The defense says, you've been on this case
since day one, and you know it's better to use
records with more data than less. Yes. He asked if
he's gone back to determine who called first, and he
said no, but I could. The defense talks about records
(03:58):
showing Donna got a call from the geek squad and
calls Wendy at the same time Wendy calls her mom.
They move on to that test drive the witness did
in July this year, and he asked about changes on
I ninety five since Dan's murder. The witness said there
were no changes to the turnpike exchange near Charlie's house,
and that drive was really done because of a question
(04:21):
about getting off that turnpike to Charlie's the roadway itself
remains the same, but the defense asks about construction. The
witness says that the route, the off ramp, and the
exchanges are the same. When asked if he looked at
traffic records for twenty fourteen, he said the retention period
for that timeframe had been exceeded and it wasn't available.
(04:45):
He also did not get any kind of construction records
for back in twenty fourteen. The defense asks about how
many lanes were on ninety five between Donna's residence and
Charlie's in twenty fourteen. The witness is like, I don't know.
The defense says, there was construction, and you don't know
how fast they were driving, and you can't say how
long the drive would have taken. The witness says that
(05:07):
he can give an estimate, and he used segment travel,
meaning he went from their first ping to Charlie's and
then from Charlie's to the hotel. The travel time from
their original starting point to Charlie's was pretty much the same. Remember,
they had that time gap of thirty six minutes. And
this is where the defense is trying to attack. But
his drive from Charlie's to the hotel was pretty much
(05:30):
within the estimate that they had presented to the court.
The defense says, do you know if they had eaten
dinner when they left? I don't know how many times?
Did they stop to go potty? Did they stop to
get coffee? The witness says, I don't know, but I did.
That's my kind of witness right there. Can you place
Donna's handset at Charlie's residence? And the witness says from
(05:51):
sell pings alone, no, So the prosecution is back up
for redirect. Do the text messages place Donna at Charlie's house?
And the witnesses, I believe the outside your house text
is an indication that she was. The state says she
had an hour and six minutes of unaccounted time on
that drive. And where that unaccounted time for is where
(06:13):
Charlie's house is on the drive from South Miami up
to the hotel. Yes, he says that drive was done
because the defense had raised some questions about this whole issue.
And did Donna tell us in the text where she was? Again,
the witness says, outside Charlie's house. Then Charlie gave her
(06:33):
his estimated time of arrival. For ten minutes for him
to be home. They ask if they were just driving
really slow on the first part of the drive, would
they have needed to speed up on the second part
of the drive, and he says yes. The next witness
was the undercover FBI agent that approached Donna for the bump,
and I have to say it looked like Donna was
(06:53):
super uncomfortable seeing him again in person. He posed as
a gang member and his job was to contact Donna
with the goal of tickling the wires, which means stimulating conversation.
They already had the wire tap in place, so he
was told to approach her and see if she would talk.
So he was instructed to walk up to her on
(07:13):
the sidewalk and engage her in small discussion about why
he was meeting with her, and then hand the flyer.
He was also told not to be overly aggressive with her.
As far as the cell phone number that was on
that paper, he would carry the cell phone on him
if one of them were to call. He did get
a call that went to voicemail, but that would not
(07:34):
be on his end. It would do a remote recording
and somebody else would have access to that. That bump
was audio and video recorded by him as well as
the surveillance team. They talk about the calls made to
that cell phone which are recorded. They have one from Donna,
one from Charlie, and one where the witness called the
(07:54):
Adelson Institute on cross She says, I have a question,
what does it mean you were portraying a gang member?
How is your demeanor? How are you going to act?
The witness that I was actually very friendly and he
was told to be. The defense says, but Donna says,
you scared her, and the witness says, well, I'm not
good looking, so and then everybody laughs in the courtroom.
(08:16):
She asked how was the location picked as to where
he was going to approach her? And he doesn't know.
He did not stay waiting for her because the investigation
team did their homework and essentially figured out her pattern
for that time of the afternoon. He's asked if he's
aware of the route she was taking was to go
pick up her grandkids. Yes, but none of them were
(08:36):
with her when this happened. The flyer had five thousand
dollars on it. And when you spoke to her, what
did you say? And he said their problem up north
had been taken care of, and he knew that Katie
and Tuto had been taken care of, and his brother
Toto had not been. At this point, the defense attorney
talks about him having a distinct accent when he talks.
(08:59):
He says, I speak fluent Spanish. Did you learn that?
And he's like, no, I'm Spanish. You told her that
Rivera had been in jail. Is that right? He said
he didn't think he said that during the bump. She
didn't pay the five thousand. The witness said, don't believe
she did. As of the twenty third, you had not
heard from her, and at that point you had also
(09:19):
sent a letter. The witness said the investigation team did
that and at the time he wasn't aware of it.
She points out that by the twenty eighth, Donna still
had not called him back, and later you called the
Adelson Institute and Donna wasn't there, so you left a message.
She still doesn't call you back or pay the five thousand. No.
May fourth, twenty sixteen, you sent her a text at
(09:42):
two nine am saying you don't take me serious. You
think I'm playing. She said it wasn't polite, was it?
And he said, I was told to say that. On
May fourth, you get a call from Charlie. Yes, they
did talk. The defense points out Charlie didn't offer to
pay the five thousand. You tell her, you know, ever everything,
and she says she's not involved, and she encouraged you
(10:04):
to go to the authorities to get the one hundred
thousand dollars reward. He says, yes, that was it for him.
He was not shown on screen, by the way, but
we could hear his voice. Next witness special Agent Bronstein.
He's from the FBI, and I'm going to tell you
right now, if Eric Clapton happens to have a love child,
it would be this dude. He was the one that
helped with surveillance on Charlie at Dulce Vita that dinner
(10:27):
with Katie. He met another agent in the parking lot,
got the equipment and then took photos of Charlie and Katie.
He'sat about ten to twelve feet away from Charlie and
Katie and the bag he brought in have video equipment.
He said, the audio is very hard to hear. The
ac was running really loud. They were paying attention to
each other, so he wasn't really worried they would suspect him.
(10:50):
The next witness James mcelven, a forensic scientist from just
down the road in Charleston, South Carolina. He was giving
two audio visual recording from two devices. One had better
video and one have better audio, so he improved both.
They do not alter the subject's voices, but they suppress
everything else in the background as best they can. The
(11:12):
biggest issue it was busy, There was coffee being grinded.
The position of the devices picked up noises from the kitchen,
kids were screaming, there were voices playing on a TV.
And he says, really easier to list what wasn't on
that tape versus what was. He was also given another recording.
This is from the Matt Surrei Sushi restaurant where Charlie
(11:35):
and Harvey met for dinner. And he also worked on
a phone call on cross for the Matt Suri footage.
You enhanced an enhancement More recently, he says, no, it's
not an enhancement. We put the audio to the video
track that was it. Were you given the audio of
when Wendy calls my client? No, the government didn't ask
(11:55):
you to do that, did they know The next witness
Brian Kendall. Back in twenty sixteen, he was a police
officer and worked in the Federal Task Force. He helped
with the surveillance of Charlie related to the wiretap running
simultaneously with the investigation. He recorded Charlie on April twenty first,
twenty sixteen. Again, this was the meeting with Harvey at
(12:18):
the Matt Surrey restaurant. He said he thinks it was
obvious his actions were suspicious to Harvey and Charlie, and
you can see that on that video. The last witness
of the day, special Agent Sandford. He talks about how
sig Fredo shot that hole in the gasline of the Prius.
By the time they found the car, it had been
sold to Triple A. But he brings in photos of
(12:40):
the car being examined once they found out about it
with trajectory rods which showed the path of the bullet.
They did not know that this had happened until Rivera
told them when he was making his deal. Also, the
rental car company didn't know. So he starts bringing in calls, timelines,
and some texts that they've select to bring in. How
(13:01):
I'm gonna do this is I have enhanced audio with
subtitles of all these wiretaps. So my goal is to
put a link to each wiretap they cover in the description,
because if I were to read these transcripts out, there's
just no way it would fit in one or two episodes.
So I'm just gonna sum up what was said, and
you can go listen to the full wiretap if you want.
(13:24):
You can hear a little better than what's on the
court feed. They intercepted over ten thousand calls in text
in the first two years after Dan's murder, and I
really think the purpose of what they brought in yesterday
was to show that, very frequently Donna would get Charlie
to do her dirty work. In the first call, they
talk about the house Wendy was looking to buy. They
(13:45):
talk about Wendy and her love life with a guy
named Dave. He also mentions there are other calls where
they're talking about Wendy. They talk about how Wendy would
be stupid not to stay with him, and Donna said
Wendy needs to wake up. Charlie says he would be
the better one to talk to her about this, and
he tells Donna, you would get thirty seconds into your
planed speech before Wendy told you to butt out of
(14:08):
her life, and rightfully so. He says he can talk
to Wendy differently. Donna says, I feel like smacking her
in the head and saying, wake up, wake up. Charlie
talks about what he would do, which is not data
girl with kids. The second call is that first call
after the bump, and it's cryptic. Donna's really trying to
avoid saying too much, but at the same time she
(14:29):
really can't help herself. And Charlie is color me curious,
asking the same questions over and over, essentially, but Donna
tells Charlie she got a paper hand delivered to her
after leaving the condo to pick up the boys. He
asked if she's being sued, and she says no. At
first she thought so, but now she says she just
(14:49):
needs to talk to him. Charlie asked, is at the
irs and Donna says, they bug you, but no, not now.
He asked if it involves other people or him, and
Donna says, probably the both of us, which I think
huge for the state. You probably have a good understanding
of what I'm talking about. Charlie wanted to know if
(15:09):
the paper was anonymous, and she says no, but she
doesn't want to talk about it over the phone, but
Charlie keeps going. He keeps asking what is it. He
asked if she's being blackmailed, and Donna says pretty much.
And you hear Charlie really trying to control his curiosity
and his panic. In another call after the bump, they
talk about going to dinner together. Donna tells Charlie to
(15:32):
bring money so he can take her out. Charlie tells
Donna not to worry too much. He says people can
write whatever they want. They mentioned a Yelp review, which
I think is code, and then he asks about blackmail again.
She says it's always a good possibility. He asked about
the letter being delivered and she said it wasn't from
a process server. He asked if she would snap a
(15:54):
picture of it to send to him, and Donna says, nope,
don't want to do that. On the next call, Charlie
tells Donna to be very careful and not talk about
this in the apartment or anyone else. But he's asking
the same questions over and over about what's on the paper.
He also wants to know what they asked for. Donna said,
I don't know. The TV was about five and Charlie,
(16:17):
they asked you for five thousand dollars. Yes, they talk
about the man mentioning an ex of Charlie's, and neither
one of them ask which X he's referring to. Charlie
then calls Katie and at this point he has kind
of put two and two together about the X being Katie.
And that was it for yesterday. Stanford back on the
stand today, so we'll recap later. We'll see soon
What you know. Alibia's Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis, I'm Gigi. Good to have you here.
It's Thursday, August twenty eighth. Sorry I didn't get yesterday's
part two. Out went and spent some time with my
grammy in the hospital. She had a procedure yesterday and
was not feeling good at all last night, but she's
much better today. So we are back at it. Yesterday
(00:20):
we left off with Sergeant Corbett on cross exam, and
essentially they're just attacking the cell phone records and the
reliability of locations and things like that. They talk about
the called detail records being generated by the carriers for
business purposes and they don't provide precise geolocation for those handsets.
(00:41):
The defense points out that the closer you are to
a cell tower, the better signal, and then the better
location you can get. They ask at the text that
Donna asked Charlie to delete, was it actually deleted and
it wasn't completely It was still in Charlie's iCloud. They
point out that you can't tell who answered the landline
(01:02):
during all the calls they mentioned, and you don't know
what was discussed between all of the parties and there's
no context of some of the text messages that took place,
and the witness agrees. They call into question the drive
that Sergeant Corbett recreatings, saying that he had no records
of any traffic conditions from twenty fourteen, He didn't factor
in any stops that Donna and Harvey may have had,
(01:25):
and they can't physically put Donna's phone at Charlie's house.
The witness says that their handsets have created events at
their homes, so you can say where they were. He's
asked if the seven calls between Charlie and Donna during
the first trip they made to Tallahassee indicate a spike
in calls, and the witness said they were not an
(01:45):
abnormal amount of communications between the two or the July trip.
He points out that the killers were there for a
thirty eight hour time period, and the witness says there
was the potential to exchange information between all of the
parties in the thirty eight hour timeframe. They move on
to the EVI invitation and say, in twenty fourteen, do
(02:07):
you have knowledge of how that website operated? No, you
can't say Donna created the evite. The defense says, you
indicated Donna was not familiar with that process, and you
can't say she created that invite. The witness said, I
can only say she asks if her invitations have been
sent and also talks about how she entered the contacts
(02:28):
to invite. There were hundreds of thousands of emails that
they recovered in this case. By the way, the witness said,
he's only seen a subset of those emails that were
recovered from that account. They bring up an email where
Dan contacted Wendy in January of twenty fourteen about their
schedule with the kids. The defense says, are you aware
(02:50):
there are other emails and texts between the two of
them where that was modified. The witness said he's not
aware of any changes. And then he's asked, how do
you decide what to include in your presentation. The witness said,
the emails are reviewed by whoever investigated the case, and
then those are given to the State Attorney's office. From
there they determine what should be put in the presentations.
(03:13):
The defense says that Wendy's phone was searched with consent
and that Wendy gave a lengthy interview to law enforcement
and voluntarily provided her phone. There was an overlapping call
between Wendy and Donna at eight oh nine am on
the day of the murder. The defense says it's possible
that Donna call Verse or Wendy did. The defense asks
about being able to narrow that down with getting the
(03:35):
seconds on that report to see who actually called first.
He said he could get those, but they're not on
this presentation. The defense says, you've been on this case
since day one, and you know it's better to use
records with more data than less. Yes. He asked if
he's gone back to determine who called first, and he
said no, but I could. The defense talks about records
(03:58):
showing Donna got a call from the geek squad and
calls Wendy at the same time Wendy calls her mom.
They move on to that test drive the witness did
in July this year, and he asked about changes on
I ninety five since Dan's murder. The witness said there
were no changes to the turnpike exchange near Charlie's house,
and that drive was really done because of a question
(04:21):
about getting off that turnpike to Charlie's the roadway itself
remains the same, but the defense asks about construction. The
witness says that the route, the off ramp, and the
exchanges are the same. When asked if he looked at
traffic records for twenty fourteen, he said the retention period
for that timeframe had been exceeded and it wasn't available.
(04:45):
He also did not get any kind of construction records
for back in twenty fourteen. The defense asks about how
many lanes were on ninety five between Donna's residence and
Charlie's in twenty fourteen. The witness is like, I don't know.
The defense says, there was construction, and you don't know
how fast they were driving, and you can't say how
long the drive would have taken. The witness says that
(05:07):
he can give an estimate, and he used segment travel,
meaning he went from their first ping to Charlie's and
then from Charlie's to the hotel. The travel time from
their original starting point to Charlie's was pretty much the same. Remember,
they had that time gap of thirty six minutes. And
this is where the defense is trying to attack. But
his drive from Charlie's to the hotel was pretty much
(05:30):
within the estimate that they had presented to the court.
The defense says, do you know if they had eaten
dinner when they left? I don't know how many times?
Did they stop to go potty? Did they stop to
get coffee? The witness says, I don't know, but I did.
That's my kind of witness right there. Can you place
Donna's handset at Charlie's residence? And the witness says from
(05:51):
sell pings alone, no, So the prosecution is back up
for redirect. Do the text messages place Donna at Charlie's house?
And the witnesses, I believe the outside your house text
is an indication that she was. The state says she
had an hour and six minutes of unaccounted time on
that drive. And where that unaccounted time for is where
(06:13):
Charlie's house is on the drive from South Miami up
to the hotel. Yes, he says that drive was done
because the defense had raised some questions about this whole issue.
And did Donna tell us in the text where she was? Again,
the witness says, outside Charlie's house. Then Charlie gave her
(06:33):
his estimated time of arrival. For ten minutes for him
to be home. They ask if they were just driving
really slow on the first part of the drive, would
they have needed to speed up on the second part
of the drive, and he says yes. The next witness
was the undercover FBI agent that approached Donna for the bump,
and I have to say it looked like Donna was
(06:53):
super uncomfortable seeing him again in person. He posed as
a gang member and his job was to contact Donna
with the goal of tickling the wires, which means stimulating conversation.
They already had the wire tap in place, so he
was told to approach her and see if she would talk.
So he was instructed to walk up to her on
(07:13):
the sidewalk and engage her in small discussion about why
he was meeting with her, and then hand the flyer.
He was also told not to be overly aggressive with her.
As far as the cell phone number that was on
that paper, he would carry the cell phone on him
if one of them were to call. He did get
a call that went to voicemail, but that would not
(07:34):
be on his end. It would do a remote recording
and somebody else would have access to that. That bump
was audio and video recorded by him as well as
the surveillance team. They talk about the calls made to
that cell phone which are recorded. They have one from Donna,
one from Charlie, and one where the witness called the
(07:54):
Adelson Institute on cross She says, I have a question,
what does it mean you were portraying a gang member?
How is your demeanor? How are you going to act?
The witness that I was actually very friendly and he
was told to be. The defense says, but Donna says,
you scared her, and the witness says, well, I'm not
good looking, so and then everybody laughs in the courtroom.
(08:16):
She asked how was the location picked as to where
he was going to approach her? And he doesn't know.
He did not stay waiting for her because the investigation
team did their homework and essentially figured out her pattern
for that time of the afternoon. He's asked if he's
aware of the route she was taking was to go
pick up her grandkids. Yes, but none of them were
(08:36):
with her when this happened. The flyer had five thousand
dollars on it. And when you spoke to her, what
did you say? And he said their problem up north
had been taken care of, and he knew that Katie
and Tuto had been taken care of, and his brother
Toto had not been. At this point, the defense attorney
talks about him having a distinct accent when he talks.
(08:59):
He says, I speak fluent Spanish. Did you learn that?
And he's like, no, I'm Spanish. You told her that
Rivera had been in jail. Is that right? He said
he didn't think he said that during the bump. She
didn't pay the five thousand. The witness said, don't believe
she did. As of the twenty third, you had not
heard from her, and at that point you had also
(09:19):
sent a letter. The witness said the investigation team did
that and at the time he wasn't aware of it.
She points out that by the twenty eighth, Donna still
had not called him back, and later you called the
Adelson Institute and Donna wasn't there, so you left a message.
She still doesn't call you back or pay the five thousand. No.
May fourth, twenty sixteen, you sent her a text at
(09:42):
two nine am saying you don't take me serious. You
think I'm playing. She said it wasn't polite, was it?
And he said, I was told to say that. On
May fourth, you get a call from Charlie. Yes, they
did talk. The defense points out Charlie didn't offer to
pay the five thousand. You tell her, you know, ever everything,
and she says she's not involved, and she encouraged you
(10:04):
to go to the authorities to get the one hundred
thousand dollars reward. He says, yes, that was it for him.
He was not shown on screen, by the way, but
we could hear his voice. Next witness special Agent Bronstein.
He's from the FBI, and I'm going to tell you
right now, if Eric Clapton happens to have a love child,
it would be this dude. He was the one that
helped with surveillance on Charlie at Dulce Vita that dinner
(10:27):
with Katie. He met another agent in the parking lot,
got the equipment and then took photos of Charlie and Katie.
He'sat about ten to twelve feet away from Charlie and
Katie and the bag he brought in have video equipment.
He said, the audio is very hard to hear. The
ac was running really loud. They were paying attention to
each other, so he wasn't really worried they would suspect him.
(10:50):
The next witness James mcelven, a forensic scientist from just
down the road in Charleston, South Carolina. He was giving
two audio visual recording from two devices. One had better
video and one have better audio, so he improved both.
They do not alter the subject's voices, but they suppress
everything else in the background as best they can. The
(11:12):
biggest issue it was busy, There was coffee being grinded.
The position of the devices picked up noises from the kitchen,
kids were screaming, there were voices playing on a TV.
And he says, really easier to list what wasn't on
that tape versus what was. He was also given another recording.
This is from the Matt Surrei Sushi restaurant where Charlie
(11:35):
and Harvey met for dinner. And he also worked on
a phone call on cross for the Matt Suri footage.
You enhanced an enhancement More recently, he says, no, it's
not an enhancement. We put the audio to the video
track that was it. Were you given the audio of
when Wendy calls my client? No, the government didn't ask
(11:55):
you to do that, did they know The next witness
Brian Kendall. Back in twenty sixteen, he was a police
officer and worked in the Federal Task Force. He helped
with the surveillance of Charlie related to the wiretap running
simultaneously with the investigation. He recorded Charlie on April twenty first,
twenty sixteen. Again, this was the meeting with Harvey at
(12:18):
the Matt Surrey restaurant. He said he thinks it was
obvious his actions were suspicious to Harvey and Charlie, and
you can see that on that video. The last witness
of the day, special Agent Sandford. He talks about how
sig Fredo shot that hole in the gasline of the Prius.
By the time they found the car, it had been
sold to Triple A. But he brings in photos of
(12:40):
the car being examined once they found out about it
with trajectory rods which showed the path of the bullet.
They did not know that this had happened until Rivera
told them when he was making his deal. Also, the
rental car company didn't know. So he starts bringing in calls, timelines,
and some texts that they've select to bring in. How
(13:01):
I'm gonna do this is I have enhanced audio with
subtitles of all these wiretaps. So my goal is to
put a link to each wiretap they cover in the description,
because if I were to read these transcripts out, there's
just no way it would fit in one or two episodes.
So I'm just gonna sum up what was said, and
you can go listen to the full wiretap if you want.
(13:24):
You can hear a little better than what's on the
court feed. They intercepted over ten thousand calls in text
in the first two years after Dan's murder, and I
really think the purpose of what they brought in yesterday
was to show that, very frequently Donna would get Charlie
to do her dirty work. In the first call, they
talk about the house Wendy was looking to buy. They
(13:45):
talk about Wendy and her love life with a guy
named Dave. He also mentions there are other calls where
they're talking about Wendy. They talk about how Wendy would
be stupid not to stay with him, and Donna said
Wendy needs to wake up. Charlie says he would be
the better one to talk to her about this, and
he tells Donna, you would get thirty seconds into your
planed speech before Wendy told you to butt out of
(14:08):
her life, and rightfully so. He says he can talk
to Wendy differently. Donna says, I feel like smacking her
in the head and saying, wake up, wake up. Charlie
talks about what he would do, which is not data
girl with kids. The second call is that first call
after the bump, and it's cryptic. Donna's really trying to
avoid saying too much, but at the same time she
(14:29):
really can't help herself. And Charlie is color me curious,
asking the same questions over and over, essentially, but Donna
tells Charlie she got a paper hand delivered to her
after leaving the condo to pick up the boys. He
asked if she's being sued, and she says no. At
first she thought so, but now she says she just
(14:49):
needs to talk to him. Charlie asked, is at the
irs and Donna says, they bug you, but no, not now.
He asked if it involves other people or him, and
Donna says, probably the both of us, which I think
huge for the state. You probably have a good understanding
of what I'm talking about. Charlie wanted to know if
(15:09):
the paper was anonymous, and she says no, but she
doesn't want to talk about it over the phone, but
Charlie keeps going. He keeps asking what is it. He
asked if she's being blackmailed, and Donna says pretty much.
And you hear Charlie really trying to control his curiosity
and his panic. In another call after the bump, they
talk about going to dinner together. Donna tells Charlie to
(15:32):
bring money so he can take her out. Charlie tells
Donna not to worry too much. He says people can
write whatever they want. They mentioned a Yelp review, which
I think is code, and then he asks about blackmail again.
She says it's always a good possibility. He asked about
the letter being delivered and she said it wasn't from
a process server. He asked if she would snap a
(15:54):
picture of it to send to him, and Donna says, nope,
don't want to do that. On the next call, Charlie
tells Donna to be very careful and not talk about
this in the apartment or anyone else. But he's asking
the same questions over and over about what's on the paper.
He also wants to know what they asked for. Donna said,
I don't know. The TV was about five and Charlie,
(16:17):
they asked you for five thousand dollars. Yes, they talk
about the man mentioning an ex of Charlie's, and neither
one of them ask which X he's referring to. Charlie
then calls Katie and at this point he has kind
of put two and two together about the X being Katie.
And that was it for yesterday. Stanford back on the
stand today, so we'll recap later. We'll see soon
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