August 29, 2025 • 28 mins
Special Agt Sanford continues introducing wiretaps from 2016 shortly after the bump and before the arrests begin
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's you know, alibiers. Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis. I'm Gigi. It's Friday, August twenty ninth.
Hope you guys have had a good day, and a
big thanks for your patience in me getting these out.
Life happened this week and so I had to put
those priorities in order. We're going to start right back
up with these wiretaps. April twenty six, there's a call
(00:20):
between Katie and Charlie. Katie says she got mixed up
with the phone number or the agent. She called both
and nobody's picking up. She says she needs him to
figure out or I could set up with the realtor
to show the property. She says she has the number
at home, but she needs it stat Charlie says he
wishes he had written it down and that he would
(00:41):
be home in two hours and we'll get it to her.
But then he says he has the number at home
in his desk and we'll see what he can do.
He tells her he's going to see if he can
get the number from some other place. In a call
from Charlie to Donna, he asked if she remembers that
phone number that was written on the paper. He said
he gave it to Day and that was the end
of it. He says he's got to get it, and
(01:03):
she asks if he wrote it down somewhere. He tells
her they're calling him and asking for it. He has
it at his house, so he'll get it to them
in a couple of hours. The next call between Charlie
and Katie, he says they didn't have the number either,
and he can't get it to her until he gets home.
Katie says, it's always such a mission to try to
get the agent to show it. Charlie then says he's
(01:25):
done for the day and he will get that number
to her in thirty minutes. Another call between Charlie and Katie.
Katie says, remember one of the listings I had to
tell you for the properties. I believe it's three h five.
Charlie says, okay seven one two, Okay six five seven zero.
Another call between Katie and Sigfredo. They're going through this
(01:46):
number trying to figure it out, and they say they're goodbyes.
There's a call from Charlie to Katie. The first half
of it is them laughing about her being in the
bathroom and Charlie thought somebody was speaking in code. He
asked if she's going to the Keys this weekend and
if so, come buys garage, that he would leave the
code for her because he has something to give her.
(02:07):
He was going to leave a gift card with a tree,
which is marijuana that you could use. It's a gift
card to any hotel. Essentially, that was a birthday gift
to Sigfredo from Charlie. If you want to go away
for the weekend, it would be nice to have a
gift card and a little tree to plant at your house.
He tells her if she does go away, to take
a deep breath and enjoy the fresh air. Katie says
(02:29):
she can't. He says, I think Mama needs a vacation
with daddy. So why don't you guys go on a vacation,
leave the kids at home, smoke a big fat effing
joint and have a cocktail and call it a day,
wake up and do some fishing. Charlie tells her he's
going to Port Saint Lucie today, which is far away.
They make some jokes about Jesus and then Charlie tells
(02:51):
Katie to look up Lemonade by Beyonce. The next call
is between Charlie and Donna. They talk about some plans
they were throwing around with Harvey and Donna, and Charlie
asks if Harvey is still upset about everything. Donna says
he's not having the best day. Charlie wants to know
if something else happened, and she says no, but maybe
(03:11):
they can do something another time, just not right now.
He tells Donna everything else is being taken care of,
and she says great. He says they actually called the person,
and she says, thank goodness. But then Charlie says nobody
picked up. Donna suggests it might have been a throwaway phone.
Charlie says it doesn't matter. A throwaway phone is nothing
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as far as the voicemail goes, but nobody picked up.
They tried calling a couple of times, and he tells
her don't worry. He also says to find something new
to worry about, and she says she doesn't want to.
She doesn't want to worry about anything. Charlie tells her
not to drive herself crazy to the point of getting sick. Now,
the witness says that that number was not called. Like
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Charlie told Donna, they would have found it. That would
have been by Fredo and Katie, but didn't happen. The
next day, they attempt another bump. An undercover agent called
the Adelson Institute asking to speak for Donna.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So they play the call.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's the undercover and they tell the undercover agent she's
not there, and he says to tell her we met
last week and I gave her some paperwork. She'll know
what's about. After that, there's a call between Charlie and Donna.
Donna says their employee Erica called and said, I normally
wouldn't bother you at this. I don't know if it's
a sales call or what. But somebody called and said
(04:33):
his name was Sammy, and he gave you some very
important papers last week. Annie still has not her back
from you. He wants you to call him back, and
here's the number. Donna wants Charlie to verify the number
was the same. Erica said, if it's a sales call,
hit Star six to seven and they won't get your
number back. And she asked Charlie what he would do.
(04:55):
She tells him the number and he says, that's the
same number that was called where nobody picked up, and
we know that was a lie.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
The number was never called.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Charlie says he'll call somebody, and he tells Donna to
trust him and she should not worry a lot. Charlie
tries to call Katie a few times and couldn't reach her,
but eventually she calls him back. Katie asked what happened,
and Charlie said somebody called Dad's office saying they dropped
off paperwork to them and they left a phone number there.
Erica said the guy was named Sammy. Katie tells Charlie
(05:26):
that somebody is pulling his bones, and Charlie says this
is the third. Katie interrupts and says, call the number
because I'm about to call on my phone. She says,
when it says it's a non working number, it's like
a Gmail number. Charlie says, nobody's pulling the leg I'm
just asking you to find out who the f it is.
Charlie says, they're not coming out on foot, they're writing
(05:48):
letters and they're not calling offices because they have nothing
better to do. He gives the number and again she
says it's a non working number. Katie says something about
it being a joke, and Charlie says, this is not
an effing joke. He tells Katie to find out who
it is and tell them to stop playing their games.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Who you have to talk to, but it needs to
be nipped in the bud. Katie says, that's threats and
she's about to go to the FBI. It's either the
FBI playing games or whatever it is. Katie finally gets
frustrated and says to text the number to her. She
does not care about all this code crap anymore, and
(06:28):
Katie says she is going to call the cops right now.
Charlie says, either you go to the cops, or we
go to the cops. Find out who this person is,
because evidently they know you and your family. He says,
if somebody's messing with you, they're messing with me, and
vice versa. A minute or two after that last call,
Charlie and Donna talk. He asks Donna if Erica had
(06:50):
call her ID at the office, and Donna says no,
So Charlie calls Katie back and says there's no caller ID.
So call the number that he gave her the other day.
Understand it's a non working number, but call again. Katie said,
either somebody is messing with her family or setting somebody up.
Charlie then says he'll call from the office where he's at,
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and then from there he'll call the FBI. There is
a call from Charlie to Katie where he says he's
gonna dial Star sixty seven to see who this person is.
Then there is a call from Charlie to Donna. He
has the number Erica gave Donna. She confirms that's the
right one. He tells Donna, I'm gonna use Star sixty seven,
and he thinks he has a strong feeling of what
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he thinks is either a private investigator, the FBI, or
someone just trying to fish around to stir the pot.
He says he'll tell her why. He thinks somebody's trying
to stir the pot because it's not done like this.
You've done nothing wrong, and he tells Donna she is
being extorted. At this point, Charlie calls the undercover. They
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both ask who the other is, and Charlie says, someone's
been calling my family and I'm trying to figure out
who this is. The cover says, this is in reference
to what Charlie said. Somebody by the name of Sammy
called and the guy says, yeah, that's me. Charlie asked,
what's going on and the agent says, my brother Totto
and his family hasn't been taken care of. Then the
(08:15):
agent says, why are you calling me?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Who are you?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I gave the number to a lady. Charlie says, I
don't know this guy. The agent says that Katie and
sig Fredo have been taken care of since the family
problem was taken care of up North. Charlie says, I
don't know who you are. The agent said, this isn't
going away, my friend, because let me tell you something.
I was at browered with him and he told me
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the whole story, and he told me nobody's taken care
of him or his family, but Katie and Sigfredo have
been taken care of. We know what's going on, and
he needs to be taken care of. Do the right thing.
The lady already has the paperwork and she knows what
I'm talking about. Charlie says, let me look into things,
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and the agent says, no, no more effing around. This
isn't going away. Do the right thing for my brother man.
He needs to be taken care of. Charlie says, all right,
I've never met these people, but let me call you back.
The agent says, that's bt s. You know exactly what
I'm talking about. You know this lady. I don't know
(09:20):
your relationship with this lady, but we know what the
f is going on. And again he tells Charlie he's
not going away. He tells him to take care of
Rivera and Charlie says, let me call you back. The
investigator said, Charlie did hit Star six seven on the phone.
Charlie tries to call Katie at least three times, and
then she calls him back. He tells her he called
(09:42):
the number. He said it rang thirty times and then
somebody picked up, and he goes, who is this. I'm
returning a call. He's asked what's this in reference to?
And I said, somebody by the name of Sammy left
a call this morning, and I go what's this about?
And he's like, who are you? I go that that's
not important. What do you need? We know Charlie got
(10:03):
a case with the Live Beaties right here. He did
not say that to him. Charlie asked what he can
do to help him out. He repeats the story that
he was embrowered with Rivera. He hasn't been taken care of.
So Charlie tells Katie, I'm letting him talk, and he's
talking and I hear a little bit of a New
York accent. He didn't sound like a tough guy when
he picked up the phone. The tough guy routine sounded
(10:25):
like it was coming out. Charlie tells Katie I told him, sir,
I don't know them. And he says, you've been giving
money to Katie and Sigfredo, and I go, no, no
money has been given. I don't even know who these
people are. I don't know what you're talking about. Nobody's
paying anybody. And then the agent says this isn't going away.
The agent says, you better do the right thing, and
(10:46):
Charlie says, I go, I don't know what else I
can do for you. Charlie says, I was being really
polite to him, so I don't know if this guy
they're talking about was incarcerated and browered. Katie asked if
they're saying her name again, and Charlie says yes, and
some guy's name he doesn't know, and that he's helping
out Katie's family. Charlie talks about money and says, you know,
other than the money I give you to go to
(11:08):
the dental practice on the weekends and you take care
of things. Then Katie asks him to recount the conversation
again and he does.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Charlie talks about how people.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Can read a name in a newspaper and then they
google that last name and then within three minutes, the
homeless man has the technology to know where you live.
The prosecutor mentions at that time of the call, Rivero
was embrowered and Katie and Sigfredo would have known that.
Just after Katie hangs up with Charlie, there's some text
between Katie and Sigfredo and it says, baby, call me
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when you can. But she doesn't wait and calls Sigfredo.
She says she has more information for him because she
got a call this morning. She tells about the agent
calling saying his name is Simon to the Adelson Institute.
Katie says that was sad and sick. They said our name,
and they even have the amount. They said they were
a bruther of this other person who is incarcerated that
(12:02):
they know from Broward and his family needs help. Katie
tells him is getting it too detailed, and Garcia says yeah.
Sigfredo says, did they tell him listen, if you guys
keep harassing me, you're gonna call the cops. Katie says,
I did. I said, why didn't you just say that?
Then the person said this is not going to end
and do the right thing. Sigfredo asked, did you get
(12:23):
information about where he wanted to meet me? Katie says
to get the phone number, but he says, you keep
giving me wrong phone numbers, so she gives it again.
Katie says, whoever this is it needs to stop. They're
putting my name and your name out there, and he
tells her to text him the number, and she does
not want to do that, so she recites it again.
(12:44):
The prosecutor points out nobody called the agent. Sigfredo calls
Katie back and said he was going to call from
his phone, but he's gonna get rid of his phone.
He says he needs to call her from his office.
She said call from somewhere else, or block it. Do
not call from your office, and don't do it from
your phone. He says, I'm not calling you from my office.
(13:06):
I'm talking on my phone, and he says he's gonna
dump it and get rid of it. He says, I'll
call you, but finding a payphone is impossible. She tells
him to use a friend's phone, and he says, that's
all right. There's a call between Charlie and Katie. Katie
said it was weird. I called the number and there's
something in the answering machine now, like some ghetto guy.
(13:26):
He tells her to use Star six seven and she's like,
I know. She says she's gonna call and leave a
message from everybody's phone, and if they want to play games,
we'll play games. Charlie again recounts his conversation with the
agent and says he told him this was none of
his business and he should have said this is a
big family with a lot of cousins. Charlie said it
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would have been like him going up to somebody and saying, hey,
I know you killed JFK. You need to pay me, okay.
Katie's like, you always use examples and I don't get it.
Charlie says, well, you weren't born when he died. He said,
the next conversation, he's gonna say, I want to know
who in my family owes somebody money, because I'm going
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to go to that person and say, hey, what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Charlie says, as far as the.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Agent goes, he wouldn't want anyone to go to jail
because people get mad and feel like they have to
get somebody back. Charlie is just rambling, and Katie says
she doesn't even know what he's saying. Charlie says, let's
find him. What's his problem, because he's about to have
a big problem. Charlie switches topics and asks if she
got the package, and Katie says she has not picked
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it up. Yet another call between Katie and Charlie. She
said in the voicemail, there was something about puto, which
means a fool. Katie wonders if somebody's trying to be
an informant, and Charlie said he was thinking the same thing.
Katie talked to a guy friend about this and he
told her don't worry. Whatever it is, I'm going to
handle it. Point blank. The next call is Charlie to Donna,
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and the first part of it is somebody gave her
in Harvey tickets to an event and they're trying to
figure out how to get there. Charlie suggested they could
borrow his limo, but he's not sure if it's in
the shop, and then offers for them to park at
his house.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Again.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Charlie tells her if this is nothing, it's fine. I'll
tell you when I see you. He says he's ninety
nine percent sure. Donna says, yeah, the language, and Charlie says,
no threats. He tells Donna when talking to the agent,
he said, no one's taking care of anybody. Charlie points
out there hasn't been any threats to anybody's health with
the agent, and he talks about the timeline being two
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years later and that would correlate with Dan's murder. Charlie
says he thinks to himself, these people aren't looking for
a check. What they want you to do? And Donna says, well,
I know what they want. Charlie says, there's nothing. Donna says,
barking up the wrong tree. It's not us. Charlie says,
I got it, but they don't know that. They want
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everybody to start talking for you to hand deliver yourself
because they think you know something. Charlie says, if the
cops we're to come to you tomorrow and say, Donna,
come down to the station with us, we need to talk,
you would be like, I don't need this aggravation. Give
me your business card, and if I can help you
or if I hear anything, I absolutely will. But if
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you make it seem like you're being extorted or blackmailed,
what are you gonna do. You're gonna run down there
and start talking yourself. Donna says that's clever of them,
if that's the deal, and Charlie says, this isn't somebody
who started doing this yesterday or somebody who's dumb.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
This is somebody who is super smart.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But it's odd that it's been a year, and Charlie
says the amount of time that has passed is insane.
Donna says she just hopes they don't bother Wendy. Charlie says,
if they do, they've bothered us enough and Wendy will
go to the cops. Charlie tells Donna Katie had a
friend of hers call and basically say you need to
stop running your mouth or you're gonna have a big problem,
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and ask the person to give them a call. He says,
how do you get the investigation going? You stir the
pot of soup and you see what comes up from
the bottom.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He says.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
One of their theories is probably somebody in our family
paid for something to be done. So if they paid,
it would make sense somebody's coming back for more money.
So let's either make up some nonsense or some names.
In another call between Charlie and Katie, they kind of
flirt around. Charlie gave Katie marijuana. She says it smells.
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He tells her to put it in the trunk. Charlie
also tells her there's a gift card in there. Katie
mentions this is a great beach day, and Charlie, of
course says she can take his boat anytime. The investigator
also notes in this conversation Charlie offers Katie a Range Rover.
There is a final attempt at a bump in a
text from the undercover to Donna at two in the morning.
(17:45):
The text said, so you don't take me serious. You
think I'm playing but you had some poutah call me
to see if I'm for real. And if you think
what Katie baby Daddy did for you can't come back,
you're effing crazy. I want the money now or I'm
going after the hunter k. Then there is a call
between Katie and Charlie talking about the gift card he
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gave Katie for sig Fredo's birthday. He asked if she
thinks it would be a bad idea if she told
Sigfredo that gift card was from Charlie.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Katie doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
He tells her to open it because there is a
very nice gift card in there. He said, if you
don't think it will cause anything, you can tell Sigfredo
the present was for me. He also mentioned that for
Katie's birthday, he got her concert tickets and a limo.
Charlie and Donna talk and he asked if everything else
is okay, and she says yeah. He asked, like, is
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it or you're just saying it is? And she says
she's just saying which he said, he figured, did you
see someone today? And she said no, it's different, But
I'll talk to you on Sunday. Charlie asked, do you
want to come down and see me tonight? She says no.
He asked if it was bad. She said no, I'll
tell you Sunday and fill you in. Charlie can't stop
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as somebody bothered when she says not yet. Charlie asked
if she thinks somebody will bother Wendy and she doesn't know.
She just says, I'll see you Sunday. We can talk.
Charlie said, I think it's important that you see me
before Sunday. Donna says maybe tomorrow and asks what if
we meet for breakfast or something. She asked Harvey if
he wants to go to breakfast and he says yes.
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Charlie said, it's just better that things get nipped in
the butt early. I don't know why you wouldn't just
call me and let me know, and Donna says there's reasons.
Let me talk to you tomorrow. Charlie calls Katie says
he's on his way to Miami to meet with his parents.
She asked about what, and he says he doesn't know,
probably just business stuff. Another call between Charlie and Donna.
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Charlie tells Donna he's coming across the bridge now, Donna says,
I'll meet you outside and we can walk to the
pool area. There's a call between Katie and Charlie. He
tells Katie that he got a call and she asked
what happened. Charlie said, I don't know. I have to
talk to my parents. At this point, Katie says she
feels dizzy, her ears are ringing bad and when she
(20:02):
texted him she started freaking panicking. Charlie says, let me
call you in a little bit. I may call you
from a landline. Back to when there's this meeting at
the pool area. It was Harvey, Donna, and Charlie. They
tried to get close enough to do surveillance, but they
were cornered by themselves and it was impossible. There's a
call between Charlie and Katie and she asks for a
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quick recap of what was on that text message. Charlie says,
I'm not asking you to do anything about it, but
the person says, so you don't take me serious. Charlie
says the only person he referenced by name was Katie's
baby daddy. He tells Katie not to do anything, and
she's afraid somebody's fishing for something. Charlie worries about Harvey's
safety going to the office, Katie tells Charlie that he's
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scaring her. Charlie says, they're throwing a lot of information
out there that I don't know, so that's what's crazy.
Where did they get it from? And why don't they
just go collect a reward for whoever has the information.
Charlie tells Katie, you're my friend, and that's the reason
I'm going to you. He said there's a lot of
crazy people out there and he wishes he knew what
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was going on. Katie then calls Sigfredo to tell him
about that two AM text, and Sigfredo says he'll take
care of it. Charlie and Donna talk. He tells Donna
he thinks she's doing the right thing. Charlie says, try
to talk to dad and just put your heads together,
but don't rush. I think what we talked about is
the best thing. Donna says it doesn't have to be
tonight then, and Charlie says the sooner the better. Charlie
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says he would also be firm. Donna said she already
wrote that in her letter and Donna tells Charlie. He
thinks she's being too nice, so Donna tries to call
the agent and gets a voicemail. She calls again after
he tries to call her back. One thing, they point out,
Donna downloaded software to record that call on her own.
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Donna tells the agent her grandkids had her phone before
and that's why she missed the call. He said, you
left a message on my voicemail, and she said, see,
this is my problem. You approached me on Alton Road
and you hand me an article from a newspaper about
my ex son in law. You told me I need
to call you and help your friend who's in prison.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
At the time you did that, I didn't understand what
you were talking about. And now you leave a threatening letter.
Then you send a text message to my phone that
says I'm not taking you seriously. So I am taking
you seriously, and I really want you to listen to me.
This is important. I'm so stressed out. I've spoken to
about ten or twelve people who are close friends, telling
(22:36):
them about this, picking their brains, asking them what I
should do because I don't know who your friend.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Is in jail.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You mentioned the name I don't know that name, never
spoken to him, never met him. I'm sorry your friend's
in jail, but I don't know what that has to
do with me. The agent says, you know exactly what
it has to do with you. Now she's talking over him,
and he said, listen to me. Donna says, you need
to ask your friend a name or who he looks like,
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because I know there's a big reward out there, and
if you need money for your friends, that's the way.
The agent says, just like I told you that day.
We know your family had a problem up north, and
we know that problem was taken care of about a
year and a half or two years ago. We know
Katie's been taken care of, and my brother in jail.
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We were embrowered together and he needs to be taken
care of. I'll get the one hundred thousand for myself
because everybody knows what's going on. Donna says, all I
know is I lost my ex son in law. I
did not have anything to do with it. He says,
Rivera told me everything. Donna says, I don't. It's not me,
and then he says, I know everything. I know who's involved,
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and Donna says, I don't. That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
It's not me.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
She gets a little bit of a harsh tone and says,
I've had a year and a half of aggravation over this,
my daughter, my grandchildren, but it's not me. And I
asked my friends what did they think? And she said,
this person needs to get a description for you or
what they look like, because I don't know who caused this.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It wasn't me. The agent says, just.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Like I told you that day, this isn't going away.
He told me everything he needs the five thousand, and
that's all we're asking for. Donna, again, I don't know
who this is. And the agent said, but you know
who Katie is. And he tells her to stop effing around.
And you know Katie has somebody who knows Totto and
they took care of a problem for you people. That's
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the bottom line. You know who the f Katie is.
I'm not effing around. Donna says, here's what you need
to do, and he tells her, don't tell me what
the f to do. She tells him to go after
the reward and he says, you're Donna Adelson and she said,
yes I am. Again, we know who's involved in all this,
and Donna says she's had too much stress and aggravation
(24:59):
from all this and she doesn't know what he's talking about.
He said, I think you should talk to Katie. Both
of you people that are involved in this, you know
what's going on. She tells them again, go get the
money that's out there if you think you know who
this is, because it isn't me. And I can't take
this level of stress when I know I didn't do anything.
They note Donna did not call the police after this interaction,
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so she and Charlie talk. Charlie asked has there been
any more nonsense from the patients and Donna says, yeah,
that's why those things always get aggravating, but I try
to not let it bother me. He asked, was it
bad and she said no. She tells him I loaded
that new app too. I have to show you. I
think you'll be really interested. That would be the recording
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she made. She talked to the person for eight minutes,
and Charlie asked if they were nice and she said no.
He asked were there any threats? She says no, and
he says that's interesting. She said she will tell him
about the patient tomorrow. Charlie to Katie, he's talking in
code here about this recording. He says, I bought a
new CD that you should listen to. It's so interesting,
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but it's one hundred percent. She says, one hundred percent.
One hundred percent. What he says, record breaker makes you
want to drop the mic. It's the kind of stuff
you play when you're cruising along and you see a
Vietnamese pot belly pig walking down the street. She asked
if it's a long tape. He said, I didn't even
tell you. One of my friends got the cutest pot
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belly pig. Do you know what a pig is? I
think he's insinuating his suspicion. This is law enforcement. Katie
says that's not good. Charlie says, I know I like dogs,
not pigs. As long as their house broken, they're not
that bad. A call between Charlie and Donna. She's with
the boys. Charlie said Dave told him Wendy was making
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a little birthday party for him. She says, I have
so much to tell you. Dad was telling me about
that case, and we both feel so much better about
how it's working out. Charlie says, once you know how
these patients act, they're so cooperative. Charlie says he couldn't
be happier because if they go to the Board of Dentistry,
it becomes a huge pain in the butt. Charlie's reassuring
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her everything's fine. Crisis averted. May twenty sixteen is when
Katie stopped receiving checks. Law enforcement went to the Adelson Institute.
It was the witness and iome. They were looking for
Katie's employment records. They spoke to the people at the
front desk and there was no proof she ever worked there.
So there is a call from the Abelson Institute to Charlie.
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This person walked to the back and this was captured
on the wire. She tells him that they're there, and
Charlie is nervous. There's lots of us. Charlie says, I'm
not there. I'm in surgery. But it's not my office,
it's Dad's, so I can't give anything out. He tells
her not to speak to anyone. They can talk to
Harvey and they can get what they need from him.
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Charlie then says he'll call from the landline. There is
another call that is placed after this, and all it
is is Charlie saying yet again it's not done like that,
meaning this whole bump thing. And that was it for yesterday.
So I hope you guys have a good rest of
your evening. We will see you soon
What's you know, alibiers. Welcome to another episode of Pretty
Lies and Alibis. I'm Gigi. It's Friday, August twenty ninth.
Hope you guys have had a good day, and a
big thanks for your patience in me getting these out.
Life happened this week and so I had to put
those priorities in order. We're going to start right back
up with these wiretaps. April twenty six, there's a call
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between Katie and Charlie. Katie says she got mixed up
with the phone number or the agent. She called both
and nobody's picking up. She says she needs him to
figure out or I could set up with the realtor
to show the property. She says she has the number
at home, but she needs it stat Charlie says he
wishes he had written it down and that he would
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be home in two hours and we'll get it to her.
But then he says he has the number at home
in his desk and we'll see what he can do.
He tells her he's going to see if he can
get the number from some other place. In a call
from Charlie to Donna, he asked if she remembers that
phone number that was written on the paper. He said
he gave it to Day and that was the end
of it. He says he's got to get it, and
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she asks if he wrote it down somewhere. He tells
her they're calling him and asking for it. He has
it at his house, so he'll get it to them
in a couple of hours. The next call between Charlie
and Katie, he says they didn't have the number either,
and he can't get it to her until he gets home.
Katie says, it's always such a mission to try to
get the agent to show it. Charlie then says he's
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done for the day and he will get that number
to her in thirty minutes. Another call between Charlie and Katie.
Katie says, remember one of the listings I had to
tell you for the properties. I believe it's three h five.
Charlie says, okay seven one two, Okay six five seven zero.
Another call between Katie and Sigfredo. They're going through this
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number trying to figure it out, and they say they're goodbyes.
There's a call from Charlie to Katie. The first half
of it is them laughing about her being in the
bathroom and Charlie thought somebody was speaking in code. He
asked if she's going to the Keys this weekend and
if so, come buys garage, that he would leave the
code for her because he has something to give her.
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He was going to leave a gift card with a tree,
which is marijuana that you could use. It's a gift
card to any hotel. Essentially, that was a birthday gift
to Sigfredo from Charlie. If you want to go away
for the weekend, it would be nice to have a
gift card and a little tree to plant at your house.
He tells her if she does go away, to take
a deep breath and enjoy the fresh air. Katie says
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she can't. He says, I think Mama needs a vacation
with daddy. So why don't you guys go on a vacation,
leave the kids at home, smoke a big fat effing
joint and have a cocktail and call it a day,
wake up and do some fishing. Charlie tells her he's
going to Port Saint Lucie today, which is far away.
They make some jokes about Jesus and then Charlie tells
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Katie to look up Lemonade by Beyonce. The next call
is between Charlie and Donna. They talk about some plans
they were throwing around with Harvey and Donna, and Charlie
asks if Harvey is still upset about everything. Donna says
he's not having the best day. Charlie wants to know
if something else happened, and she says no, but maybe
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they can do something another time, just not right now.
He tells Donna everything else is being taken care of,
and she says great. He says they actually called the person,
and she says, thank goodness. But then Charlie says nobody
picked up. Donna suggests it might have been a throwaway phone.
Charlie says it doesn't matter. A throwaway phone is nothing
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as far as the voicemail goes, but nobody picked up.
They tried calling a couple of times, and he tells
her don't worry. He also says to find something new
to worry about, and she says she doesn't want to.
She doesn't want to worry about anything. Charlie tells her
not to drive herself crazy to the point of getting sick. Now,
the witness says that that number was not called. Like
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Charlie told Donna, they would have found it. That would
have been by Fredo and Katie, but didn't happen. The
next day, they attempt another bump. An undercover agent called
the Adelson Institute asking to speak for Donna.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So they play the call.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's the undercover and they tell the undercover agent she's
not there, and he says to tell her we met
last week and I gave her some paperwork. She'll know
what's about. After that, there's a call between Charlie and Donna.
Donna says their employee Erica called and said, I normally
wouldn't bother you at this. I don't know if it's
a sales call or what. But somebody called and said
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his name was Sammy, and he gave you some very
important papers last week. Annie still has not her back
from you. He wants you to call him back, and
here's the number. Donna wants Charlie to verify the number
was the same. Erica said, if it's a sales call,
hit Star six to seven and they won't get your
number back. And she asked Charlie what he would do.
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She tells him the number and he says, that's the
same number that was called where nobody picked up, and
we know that was a lie.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
The number was never called.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Charlie says he'll call somebody, and he tells Donna to
trust him and she should not worry a lot. Charlie
tries to call Katie a few times and couldn't reach her,
but eventually she calls him back. Katie asked what happened,
and Charlie said somebody called Dad's office saying they dropped
off paperwork to them and they left a phone number there.
Erica said the guy was named Sammy. Katie tells Charlie
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that somebody is pulling his bones, and Charlie says this
is the third. Katie interrupts and says, call the number
because I'm about to call on my phone. She says,
when it says it's a non working number, it's like
a Gmail number. Charlie says, nobody's pulling the leg I'm
just asking you to find out who the f it is.
Charlie says, they're not coming out on foot, they're writing
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letters and they're not calling offices because they have nothing
better to do. He gives the number and again she
says it's a non working number. Katie says something about
it being a joke, and Charlie says, this is not
an effing joke. He tells Katie to find out who
it is and tell them to stop playing their games.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Who you have to talk to, but it needs to
be nipped in the bud. Katie says, that's threats and
she's about to go to the FBI. It's either the
FBI playing games or whatever it is. Katie finally gets
frustrated and says to text the number to her. She
does not care about all this code crap anymore, and
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Katie says she is going to call the cops right now.
Charlie says, either you go to the cops, or we
go to the cops. Find out who this person is,
because evidently they know you and your family. He says,
if somebody's messing with you, they're messing with me, and
vice versa. A minute or two after that last call,
Charlie and Donna talk. He asks Donna if Erica had
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call her ID at the office, and Donna says no,
So Charlie calls Katie back and says there's no caller ID.
So call the number that he gave her the other day.
Understand it's a non working number, but call again. Katie said,
either somebody is messing with her family or setting somebody up.
Charlie then says he'll call from the office where he's at,
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and then from there he'll call the FBI. There is
a call from Charlie to Katie where he says he's
gonna dial Star sixty seven to see who this person is.
Then there is a call from Charlie to Donna. He
has the number Erica gave Donna. She confirms that's the
right one. He tells Donna, I'm gonna use Star sixty seven,
and he thinks he has a strong feeling of what
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he thinks is either a private investigator, the FBI, or
someone just trying to fish around to stir the pot.
He says he'll tell her why. He thinks somebody's trying
to stir the pot because it's not done like this.
You've done nothing wrong, and he tells Donna she is
being extorted. At this point, Charlie calls the undercover. They
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both ask who the other is, and Charlie says, someone's
been calling my family and I'm trying to figure out
who this is. The cover says, this is in reference
to what Charlie said. Somebody by the name of Sammy
called and the guy says, yeah, that's me. Charlie asked,
what's going on and the agent says, my brother Totto
and his family hasn't been taken care of. Then the
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agent says, why are you calling me?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Who are you?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I gave the number to a lady. Charlie says, I
don't know this guy. The agent says that Katie and
sig Fredo have been taken care of since the family
problem was taken care of up North. Charlie says, I
don't know who you are. The agent said, this isn't
going away, my friend, because let me tell you something.
I was at browered with him and he told me
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the whole story, and he told me nobody's taken care
of him or his family, but Katie and Sigfredo have
been taken care of. We know what's going on, and
he needs to be taken care of. Do the right thing.
The lady already has the paperwork and she knows what
I'm talking about. Charlie says, let me look into things,
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and the agent says, no, no more effing around. This
isn't going away. Do the right thing for my brother man.
He needs to be taken care of. Charlie says, all right,
I've never met these people, but let me call you back.
The agent says, that's bt s. You know exactly what
I'm talking about. You know this lady. I don't know
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your relationship with this lady, but we know what the
f is going on. And again he tells Charlie he's
not going away. He tells him to take care of
Rivera and Charlie says, let me call you back. The
investigator said, Charlie did hit Star six seven on the phone.
Charlie tries to call Katie at least three times, and
then she calls him back. He tells her he called
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the number. He said it rang thirty times and then
somebody picked up, and he goes, who is this. I'm
returning a call. He's asked what's this in reference to?
And I said, somebody by the name of Sammy left
a call this morning, and I go what's this about?
And he's like, who are you? I go that that's
not important. What do you need? We know Charlie got
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a case with the Live Beaties right here. He did
not say that to him. Charlie asked what he can
do to help him out. He repeats the story that
he was embrowered with Rivera. He hasn't been taken care of.
So Charlie tells Katie, I'm letting him talk, and he's
talking and I hear a little bit of a New
York accent. He didn't sound like a tough guy when
he picked up the phone. The tough guy routine sounded
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like it was coming out. Charlie tells Katie I told him, sir,
I don't know them. And he says, you've been giving
money to Katie and Sigfredo, and I go, no, no
money has been given. I don't even know who these
people are. I don't know what you're talking about. Nobody's
paying anybody. And then the agent says this isn't going away.
The agent says, you better do the right thing, and
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Charlie says, I go, I don't know what else I
can do for you. Charlie says, I was being really
polite to him, so I don't know if this guy
they're talking about was incarcerated and browered. Katie asked if
they're saying her name again, and Charlie says yes, and
some guy's name he doesn't know, and that he's helping
out Katie's family. Charlie talks about money and says, you know,
other than the money I give you to go to
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the dental practice on the weekends and you take care
of things. Then Katie asks him to recount the conversation
again and he does.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Charlie talks about how people.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Can read a name in a newspaper and then they
google that last name and then within three minutes, the
homeless man has the technology to know where you live.
The prosecutor mentions at that time of the call, Rivero
was embrowered and Katie and Sigfredo would have known that.
Just after Katie hangs up with Charlie, there's some text
between Katie and Sigfredo and it says, baby, call me
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when you can. But she doesn't wait and calls Sigfredo.
She says she has more information for him because she
got a call this morning. She tells about the agent
calling saying his name is Simon to the Adelson Institute.
Katie says that was sad and sick. They said our name,
and they even have the amount. They said they were
a bruther of this other person who is incarcerated that
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they know from Broward and his family needs help. Katie
tells him is getting it too detailed, and Garcia says yeah.
Sigfredo says, did they tell him listen, if you guys
keep harassing me, you're gonna call the cops. Katie says,
I did. I said, why didn't you just say that?
Then the person said this is not going to end
and do the right thing. Sigfredo asked, did you get
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information about where he wanted to meet me? Katie says
to get the phone number, but he says, you keep
giving me wrong phone numbers, so she gives it again.
Katie says, whoever this is it needs to stop. They're
putting my name and your name out there, and he
tells her to text him the number, and she does
not want to do that, so she recites it again.
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The prosecutor points out nobody called the agent. Sigfredo calls
Katie back and said he was going to call from
his phone, but he's gonna get rid of his phone.
He says he needs to call her from his office.
She said call from somewhere else, or block it. Do
not call from your office, and don't do it from
your phone. He says, I'm not calling you from my office.
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I'm talking on my phone, and he says he's gonna
dump it and get rid of it. He says, I'll
call you, but finding a payphone is impossible. She tells
him to use a friend's phone, and he says, that's
all right. There's a call between Charlie and Katie. Katie
said it was weird. I called the number and there's
something in the answering machine now, like some ghetto guy.
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He tells her to use Star six seven and she's like,
I know. She says she's gonna call and leave a
message from everybody's phone, and if they want to play games,
we'll play games. Charlie again recounts his conversation with the
agent and says he told him this was none of
his business and he should have said this is a
big family with a lot of cousins. Charlie said it
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would have been like him going up to somebody and saying, hey,
I know you killed JFK. You need to pay me, okay.
Katie's like, you always use examples and I don't get it.
Charlie says, well, you weren't born when he died. He said,
the next conversation, he's gonna say, I want to know
who in my family owes somebody money, because I'm going
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to go to that person and say, hey, what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Charlie says, as far as the.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Agent goes, he wouldn't want anyone to go to jail
because people get mad and feel like they have to
get somebody back. Charlie is just rambling, and Katie says
she doesn't even know what he's saying. Charlie says, let's
find him. What's his problem, because he's about to have
a big problem. Charlie switches topics and asks if she
got the package, and Katie says she has not picked
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it up. Yet another call between Katie and Charlie. She
said in the voicemail, there was something about puto, which
means a fool. Katie wonders if somebody's trying to be
an informant, and Charlie said he was thinking the same thing.
Katie talked to a guy friend about this and he
told her don't worry. Whatever it is, I'm going to
handle it. Point blank. The next call is Charlie to Donna,
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and the first part of it is somebody gave her
in Harvey tickets to an event and they're trying to
figure out how to get there. Charlie suggested they could
borrow his limo, but he's not sure if it's in
the shop, and then offers for them to park at
his house.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Again.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Charlie tells her if this is nothing, it's fine. I'll
tell you when I see you. He says he's ninety
nine percent sure. Donna says, yeah, the language, and Charlie says,
no threats. He tells Donna when talking to the agent,
he said, no one's taking care of anybody. Charlie points
out there hasn't been any threats to anybody's health with
the agent, and he talks about the timeline being two
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years later and that would correlate with Dan's murder. Charlie
says he thinks to himself, these people aren't looking for
a check. What they want you to do? And Donna says, well,
I know what they want. Charlie says, there's nothing. Donna says,
barking up the wrong tree. It's not us. Charlie says,
I got it, but they don't know that. They want
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everybody to start talking for you to hand deliver yourself
because they think you know something. Charlie says, if the
cops we're to come to you tomorrow and say, Donna,
come down to the station with us, we need to talk,
you would be like, I don't need this aggravation. Give
me your business card, and if I can help you
or if I hear anything, I absolutely will. But if
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you make it seem like you're being extorted or blackmailed,
what are you gonna do. You're gonna run down there
and start talking yourself. Donna says that's clever of them,
if that's the deal, and Charlie says, this isn't somebody
who started doing this yesterday or somebody who's dumb.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
This is somebody who is super smart.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But it's odd that it's been a year, and Charlie
says the amount of time that has passed is insane.
Donna says she just hopes they don't bother Wendy. Charlie says,
if they do, they've bothered us enough and Wendy will
go to the cops. Charlie tells Donna Katie had a
friend of hers call and basically say you need to
stop running your mouth or you're gonna have a big problem,
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and ask the person to give them a call. He says,
how do you get the investigation going? You stir the
pot of soup and you see what comes up from
the bottom.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He says.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
One of their theories is probably somebody in our family
paid for something to be done. So if they paid,
it would make sense somebody's coming back for more money.
So let's either make up some nonsense or some names.
In another call between Charlie and Katie, they kind of
flirt around. Charlie gave Katie marijuana. She says it smells.
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He tells her to put it in the trunk. Charlie
also tells her there's a gift card in there. Katie
mentions this is a great beach day, and Charlie, of
course says she can take his boat anytime. The investigator
also notes in this conversation Charlie offers Katie a Range Rover.
There is a final attempt at a bump in a
text from the undercover to Donna at two in the morning.
(17:45):
The text said, so you don't take me serious. You
think I'm playing but you had some poutah call me
to see if I'm for real. And if you think
what Katie baby Daddy did for you can't come back,
you're effing crazy. I want the money now or I'm
going after the hunter k. Then there is a call
between Katie and Charlie talking about the gift card he
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gave Katie for sig Fredo's birthday. He asked if she
thinks it would be a bad idea if she told
Sigfredo that gift card was from Charlie.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Katie doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
He tells her to open it because there is a
very nice gift card in there. He said, if you
don't think it will cause anything, you can tell Sigfredo
the present was for me. He also mentioned that for
Katie's birthday, he got her concert tickets and a limo.
Charlie and Donna talk and he asked if everything else
is okay, and she says yeah. He asked, like, is
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it or you're just saying it is? And she says
she's just saying which he said, he figured, did you
see someone today? And she said no, it's different, But
I'll talk to you on Sunday. Charlie asked, do you
want to come down and see me tonight? She says no.
He asked if it was bad. She said no, I'll
tell you Sunday and fill you in. Charlie can't stop
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as somebody bothered when she says not yet. Charlie asked
if she thinks somebody will bother Wendy and she doesn't know.
She just says, I'll see you Sunday. We can talk.
Charlie said, I think it's important that you see me
before Sunday. Donna says maybe tomorrow and asks what if
we meet for breakfast or something. She asked Harvey if
he wants to go to breakfast and he says yes.
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Charlie said, it's just better that things get nipped in
the butt early. I don't know why you wouldn't just
call me and let me know, and Donna says there's reasons.
Let me talk to you tomorrow. Charlie calls Katie says
he's on his way to Miami to meet with his parents.
She asked about what, and he says he doesn't know,
probably just business stuff. Another call between Charlie and Donna.
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Charlie tells Donna he's coming across the bridge now, Donna says,
I'll meet you outside and we can walk to the
pool area. There's a call between Katie and Charlie. He
tells Katie that he got a call and she asked
what happened. Charlie said, I don't know. I have to
talk to my parents. At this point, Katie says she
feels dizzy, her ears are ringing bad and when she
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texted him she started freaking panicking. Charlie says, let me
call you in a little bit. I may call you
from a landline. Back to when there's this meeting at
the pool area. It was Harvey, Donna, and Charlie. They
tried to get close enough to do surveillance, but they
were cornered by themselves and it was impossible. There's a
call between Charlie and Katie and she asks for a
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quick recap of what was on that text message. Charlie says,
I'm not asking you to do anything about it, but
the person says, so you don't take me serious. Charlie
says the only person he referenced by name was Katie's
baby daddy. He tells Katie not to do anything, and
she's afraid somebody's fishing for something. Charlie worries about Harvey's
safety going to the office, Katie tells Charlie that he's
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scaring her. Charlie says, they're throwing a lot of information
out there that I don't know, so that's what's crazy.
Where did they get it from? And why don't they
just go collect a reward for whoever has the information.
Charlie tells Katie, you're my friend, and that's the reason
I'm going to you. He said there's a lot of
crazy people out there and he wishes he knew what
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was going on. Katie then calls Sigfredo to tell him
about that two AM text, and Sigfredo says he'll take
care of it. Charlie and Donna talk. He tells Donna
he thinks she's doing the right thing. Charlie says, try
to talk to dad and just put your heads together,
but don't rush. I think what we talked about is
the best thing. Donna says it doesn't have to be
tonight then, and Charlie says the sooner the better. Charlie
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says he would also be firm. Donna said she already
wrote that in her letter and Donna tells Charlie. He
thinks she's being too nice, so Donna tries to call
the agent and gets a voicemail. She calls again after
he tries to call her back. One thing, they point out,
Donna downloaded software to record that call on her own.
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Donna tells the agent her grandkids had her phone before
and that's why she missed the call. He said, you
left a message on my voicemail, and she said, see,
this is my problem. You approached me on Alton Road
and you hand me an article from a newspaper about
my ex son in law. You told me I need
to call you and help your friend who's in prison.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
At the time you did that, I didn't understand what
you were talking about. And now you leave a threatening letter.
Then you send a text message to my phone that
says I'm not taking you seriously. So I am taking
you seriously, and I really want you to listen to me.
This is important. I'm so stressed out. I've spoken to
about ten or twelve people who are close friends, telling
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them about this, picking their brains, asking them what I
should do because I don't know who your friend.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Is in jail.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You mentioned the name I don't know that name, never
spoken to him, never met him. I'm sorry your friend's
in jail, but I don't know what that has to
do with me. The agent says, you know exactly what
it has to do with you. Now she's talking over him,
and he said, listen to me. Donna says, you need
to ask your friend a name or who he looks like,
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because I know there's a big reward out there, and
if you need money for your friends, that's the way.
The agent says, just like I told you that day.
We know your family had a problem up north, and
we know that problem was taken care of about a
year and a half or two years ago. We know
Katie's been taken care of, and my brother in jail.
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We were embrowered together and he needs to be taken
care of. I'll get the one hundred thousand for myself
because everybody knows what's going on. Donna says, all I
know is I lost my ex son in law. I
did not have anything to do with it. He says,
Rivera told me everything. Donna says, I don't. It's not me,
and then he says, I know everything. I know who's involved,
(23:47):
and Donna says, I don't. That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
It's not me.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
She gets a little bit of a harsh tone and says,
I've had a year and a half of aggravation over this,
my daughter, my grandchildren, but it's not me. And I
asked my friends what did they think? And she said,
this person needs to get a description for you or
what they look like, because I don't know who caused this.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It wasn't me. The agent says, just.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Like I told you that day, this isn't going away.
He told me everything he needs the five thousand, and
that's all we're asking for. Donna, again, I don't know
who this is. And the agent said, but you know
who Katie is. And he tells her to stop effing around.
And you know Katie has somebody who knows Totto and
they took care of a problem for you people. That's
(24:35):
the bottom line. You know who the f Katie is.
I'm not effing around. Donna says, here's what you need
to do, and he tells her, don't tell me what
the f to do. She tells him to go after
the reward and he says, you're Donna Adelson and she said,
yes I am. Again, we know who's involved in all this,
and Donna says she's had too much stress and aggravation
(24:59):
from all this and she doesn't know what he's talking about.
He said, I think you should talk to Katie. Both
of you people that are involved in this, you know
what's going on. She tells them again, go get the
money that's out there if you think you know who
this is, because it isn't me. And I can't take
this level of stress when I know I didn't do anything.
They note Donna did not call the police after this interaction,
(25:23):
so she and Charlie talk. Charlie asked has there been
any more nonsense from the patients and Donna says, yeah,
that's why those things always get aggravating, but I try
to not let it bother me. He asked, was it
bad and she said no. She tells him I loaded
that new app too. I have to show you. I
think you'll be really interested. That would be the recording
(25:44):
she made. She talked to the person for eight minutes,
and Charlie asked if they were nice and she said no.
He asked were there any threats? She says no, and
he says that's interesting. She said she will tell him
about the patient tomorrow. Charlie to Katie, he's talking in
code here about this recording. He says, I bought a
new CD that you should listen to. It's so interesting,
(26:07):
but it's one hundred percent. She says, one hundred percent.
One hundred percent. What he says, record breaker makes you
want to drop the mic. It's the kind of stuff
you play when you're cruising along and you see a
Vietnamese pot belly pig walking down the street. She asked
if it's a long tape. He said, I didn't even
tell you. One of my friends got the cutest pot
(26:28):
belly pig. Do you know what a pig is? I
think he's insinuating his suspicion. This is law enforcement. Katie
says that's not good. Charlie says, I know I like dogs,
not pigs. As long as their house broken, they're not
that bad. A call between Charlie and Donna. She's with
the boys. Charlie said Dave told him Wendy was making
(26:49):
a little birthday party for him. She says, I have
so much to tell you. Dad was telling me about
that case, and we both feel so much better about
how it's working out. Charlie says, once you know how
these patients act, they're so cooperative. Charlie says he couldn't
be happier because if they go to the Board of Dentistry,
it becomes a huge pain in the butt. Charlie's reassuring
(27:11):
her everything's fine. Crisis averted. May twenty sixteen is when
Katie stopped receiving checks. Law enforcement went to the Adelson Institute.
It was the witness and iome. They were looking for
Katie's employment records. They spoke to the people at the
front desk and there was no proof she ever worked there.
So there is a call from the Abelson Institute to Charlie.
(27:34):
This person walked to the back and this was captured
on the wire. She tells him that they're there, and
Charlie is nervous. There's lots of us. Charlie says, I'm
not there. I'm in surgery. But it's not my office,
it's Dad's, so I can't give anything out. He tells
her not to speak to anyone. They can talk to
Harvey and they can get what they need from him.
(27:56):
Charlie then says he'll call from the landline. There is
another call that is placed after this, and all it
is is Charlie saying yet again it's not done like that,
meaning this whole bump thing. And that was it for yesterday.
So I hope you guys have a good rest of
your evening. We will see you soon
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