P&S ModCast 367 - The 7th Annual Airing of Grievances Part 2 - Primary & Secondary Podcast

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That's lovely. I'm still not finishedand finished a single grievances. What's your
competition thing? Again? You shota competition and the like we talk We
talked about shot a lot of seasones, finishing my sentences, but themornial.
Some guys had and zones and hegot like a yeah, Lucas showed up

(00:26):
to a match beat brass facts.Next thing you know, there was a
YouTube war literally beats like he beatthe ship out of me, Like,
but the bruises are from he's tall, he can happen. I want to
hear the dumpster fire James West,James like, You've bound to have a
good grievance by now, and Ifeel like you're likely under after listening to

(00:50):
us for this long. If hedoesn't have a grievance, then he's a
very He truly is got a fire. For the background, I'm good,
dude. I'm like, I'm thirtyyears old. I have no background or
anything, and I fucking run mymouth at the drop of a fucking hat.
You have to have agreement with somethingI've said in the last two hours.

(01:11):
Surely, hey, Jim, howlong your MRO video? Well go?
And I had an m RO Ihated your video and then I hated
my m RO. So that's theconstus I got, Well, good,
why I have two? Ain't bad? The uh I guess the video where

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he quotes a white paper but thendoesn't understand how how engineering papers are.
Oh, I'm so pissed for likethree weeks for that. Huh. Yeah,
I'm waiting for this. Okay,So here's this. Here's this like
recurring theme. There's a lot oftopics that I really want brass Backs to
dish on because he's, first ofall, a very smart person. I
don't mean that as like to youknow, to talk as cock about this

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ship like he's a he's a smartguy. He has an engineering degree,
a master's in science or some shit. I don't fucking know, dude.
And there's all this, all thesetopics that he could speak very authoritatively on,
but he won't do it. Hesaid, he's like, oh,
here's how to put a backpack inyour car. Like, okay, that's
fine, but liked you please talkabout the science stuff that I know you
can do. And the fact ofthe matter is most of the gun community

(02:16):
has no business talking about science.People will like do like a can you
reload a bullpup versus an ar faster, and they'll do like a side by
side comparison. You're like, noneof the variables were controlled. That wasn't
science, None of that was real. All that was fucking horseshit and braw
as. An actual scientist could destroyyou with facts and logic, Ben Shapiro

(02:38):
style, but he won't because he'stoo busy being like, here's how you
put your backpack. The two thingsthat wants me to do. I know
what he wants me to do.I want him to kill people on the
internet, is what I want,but he won't do it because he's too
nice. So James Reeves used awhite paper discussing bullpups and it's just one
of the worst. It's one ofthe worst studies of all time. And

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the fact that he doesn't realize it'sone of the worst studies of all times.
I'm running out of salt bourbon.I mean, might do really fast.
Yeah, And then I think theother one he wants me to talk
about is e m P. Igot really bored one night and compiled like
a billion articles about e m Pand the actual the actual effects of e

(03:19):
m P and the voltage levels andthe and the yeah. But if that's
a that's a topic for another timeback. And I'm sorry, Matt,
but those two guys you uh uh, he's still there, brass facts and
hot I can, I can.I think all of the two of them

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just got us put on multiple watchlists. Oh no, no, you
have a bill you were in herefor the early years. I don't know.
Oh I do so. Uh Americansin the face so quick, you're
there? Quick survey? Who all'sgoing to be a shot show this year?
Been? Are you going to bethere? Yeah? Well, I

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mean we don't know. Hobb's goingto be there because Carver Media, God
bless America's going to be the overloadsalways wait for the last possible second to
book. Ho. Tom, I'mgoing to be there no matter. Are
you going to be there? Now? What about James? You're going to
be there? Maybe fifty to fifty. I spent one thousand dollars for a

(04:28):
fucking Best Western for one person.Yeah, that's why I'm not going not
worth it. I'm gonna just sothat's the way we're going. This way.
You're going to be sleeping in myyeah, my sugar. U in
the fucking basement of the the whatwhat the hell's shot in the circus circus?
No saying if you're not staying inthe Venetian, you're not parking in

(04:48):
the Venetian. Let's be clear,They're not going to let you do that.
Dude. You you can stay twoblocks behind the Venetian for for about
one hundred and fifty bucks night.It is really nice to say a Venetian.
And I will never not state ofVenetian the Palazzo when I go,
Yeah, I don't know. Atthe hot dog secret I will there is.

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Don't tell people about that. Theymight run out of hot dogs before
I can get one. The otherspeaking about the boomers ruining or sorry,
millennials ruining buying up all the stockof thing the hot dogs at shot Show,
well all I can say Shot Showtwenty twenty five. The dates are
already online, so you know,if you just book your hotel now,

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they'll be about a third of whatthey will be a month and a half
out. That's that's what I do. I plan at events. Meanwhile,
Hot plans four seconds after the eventhas happened. Quite entirely. The reason
I just that everybody's going to accommodateme, because why wouldn't they. I'm
basically your fucking secretary. At thispoint. I was talking with Venture Surplus

(05:57):
today about getting you more fucking Iwas like hyping you up, like,
hey, you need to get moresponsorships with this guy. Well, he
doesn't answer my emails. Honestly,dude, I just talk to me.
You don't answer emails, but youhave a cell phone. You sent the
email on. That sounds like arevolution to a very non complex problem.
But anyway, I just don't likeit. Yeah, it's the classic the

(06:20):
it's not classic, it's a it'sa very recent meme. It's like when
my phone rings, I'm like,I to wait for this phone call to
end so I can go back tousing my phone for Instagram, which is
what it's for. I have arule. I don't talk on my phone.
I have the rule amongst my guncircle. If it requires more than
three text messages, you call periodbecause after the third one. Moving on.

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No, the reason I was askingabout shot is, uh, be
there with Darryl with American Fighting Revolve. I'm gonna have to adjourn here pretty
quickly, but uh, we'll beout there with the American Fighting Revolver,
Patreon YouTube channel, uh, filmand content with a couple of gun companies

(07:04):
that we have not shipped on tonight. Just the gun industry in general.
It's a freaking viper's nest. Butno, we're gonna be doing that and
I've got some swag coming that Iwill dispense to a few of my inner
cohorts if you're gonna be there,and it'll be me and Darryl Bulky and

(07:29):
we're helping with the launch of anothergun that's coming out, so I can't
talk about it, but but Tommakes off for it, so I love
that. So anyway, Yeah,which one? This is? What's that?
Yeah, it may or may notbe circular, but that's about all

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I can say. And then uh, yeah, Darryl and I are doing
the American Fighting Revolvers so that wedon't have to get into ship fights over
semi auto's and floodlight some lamps andcandela and uh it's I got to tell
you man. Ever since we startedthat, my stress level dropped immensely,

(08:09):
which is another grievance. Like thegun culture thing right now with social media
is just an absolute shit show,and we're like, let's just go back
to doing Revolver, you know,and and kind of get carver o niche
there. So I'm like two emailsaway from just leaving and starting to pizza

(08:31):
rio a man go to Italy figureout the secret ingredients. Man, Oh
no, I've got an Italian overhere who we product managers. But Nashville
would be up one really good pizzaplace, Oregano. Man, there's the
secret. Gave it to you.But hey, let me know when you

(08:54):
open the pizza joint, American FightingRevolver will come out and do an interview
with you. But anyway, butyeah, that's my latest project. Not
to be a shameless plug, butI got to get kids and whatnot well.
And I definitely understand the appeal ofgoing into that direction to avoid a

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lot of this because right now itseems like there's a lull and people are
looking for things to complain about orpeople to attack because there's nothing better to
do. So why not just focuson your expertise and let people come to
you. Don should like do thisother thing? I do that, yes,
But that company is shifting gears prettyquickly to suspenders. Yeah, the

(09:41):
Velt company that's kind of going ina little different direction after January first,
it's still available, It'll still bethere. Still love it, still do
it all the time. Hate CobraBuckles. I think they should go away.
But now just playing hot but gotit was on the horizon with that,

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it's just you know, business stuff. So and then the Off Duty
On Duty podcast, I'm kind ofgonna wind that down or shift direction after
the first of the year. It'sstill out there. Got to get one
more episode in before the end ofthe year. So Matt, I may
call you because you believe on ithappily, and I'm on day shift now.

(10:24):
So yeah, the problem is myrecording studio is in boxes right now,
so we may have to do iton zoom and do the audio upload.
Yeah. Well, if you want, we can do it like this
and I can just upload all thedownloaded stuff to you. Yeah. Well
I figured out how to do allthat. Goodness. So but yeah,

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so that's what's going on. Butif if any of you guys are at
shot Swing, Ben will be thereright You'll be there at the booth.
We will definitely be getting out Fridaybeforehand, and I'll be there through the
Saturday after Darryl and I will bethere Sunday through Friday, so we'll be
there. He's, Uh, Darrylis in a transitional phase right now as

(11:13):
well. I'm moving. He's moving, We're all moving. He can't move.
He was too cool. What's thatI didn't know? Yeah, Tom
and I both didn't know. That'smoving. I mean you've got the hab
Ashue house. Yeah, well,no, it's it's just a little relocation
effort going on on both of ourparts. But uh, I can't say

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much more than that without talking outof school. Yeah, but oh,
yeah, you have you have thatone thing going on, which one thing,
you know, the one, oneof those one things, the thing,
the one. Well, hey,I divorced police work. I gave
up one of my jobs this year, so that's been happy. I haven't

(11:56):
missed a meal or a paycheck sinceI left, so that's been good.
And we'll be able to hang outat techon. Oh are you coming,
Matt. I'll be there. Itlooks like i'm right now. I'm on
the hook to teach like two orthree blocks, so yeah, I'll be
there for that or Tom, Iassume you're coming again. Yeah, I'm

(12:16):
I'm signed up. If I'm inthe country, I will be there.
I have a really good chance thatI'll be in France. I'm surely sipping
wine at two o'clock in the afternoonworking on nuclear power plants. Yeah.
Excellent. Also, Mention and Ben, thanks for supporting the Thunderstick summit with

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Darryl and the Vangkomp guys. That'spretty slick. Yeah, we're we're actually
hoping to get even more involved forThunderstick twenty twenty four. Excellent. Yeah,
I'm not part of the Thunderstick crew, but all my boys are.
So that's that's all my circle ofgun boyfriends, as Tricia calls them,
Matt, you met Trish, Ohyeah, twg. Yeah. The best

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party is going to be kidnapping somemore Italians and running them through that course
so they can go, oh,holy crapp These Americans are actually this crazy.
This actually does matter. I heardthere was an incident with maybe an
Italian where he put a shotgun onthe toe of his boot. One session.

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One of a Italian clay shooter hadhis over under characteristics corrected. Yes,
spread the gospel of the gauge brother. Anyway, he was doing it
right by the last day, andhe was the one giving us names for
who we've got to send over todo it next year. Perfect, well,

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fellas, it's been fun. Thankyou for all your grievances and hope
let's catch you on the flip side. Yes indeed, right, so James,
you really don't have one. Yougotta you have something with that background.
My daughter flooded the bathroom last weekinto the laundroom. Didn't tell anybody.

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So I've been ripping out a floorthat's compared to that. What that's
real? You're basically once again,we're not real on the internet that reset
the frame for even the frame houseis fine, just needs a new floor.
I get it another week and talkabout gun amish is heard the phrase

(14:37):
gun amigh is that like iron Sight'sonly and I'm gone, yeah, is
this carry handle people carry was acool I'm done agnostic. So it's like,
because an e MP is going togo off like you're just going to
be a loot drop, So youneed to have the minimal capability on your
gun. Uh so when you yeahsomething like that or no, it's people

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people that don't have red dots orgood for those people, I mean people
that do or people that do boththat aren't like red dot or mandatory.
People who preach that are a littleirritating. People who live that are fine.
Yeah that would suck. Oh hellyeah. I thought it was more

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widespread. I've seen it a bunch. No, it's true. And this
is this is agreements that I didn'treally want to bring up because it's it's
so fucking played out at this pointis I'm inebriated and we're down to the
fucking six people, So now itseems like alcohol. You probably should because
I'm worried about you. But thereare people who will argue for the retro

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firearms because of their aesthetic qualities andtheir enjoyment of them. And then there
are people who will argue over thefact that things that are old are actually
technically better. And those are thepeople that I have a problem with.
If somebody is, you know,again raised on nothing fancy, as brasspects
will attest to not fancy. Itwas always like he always accounted for.
Second kind of cool. First kindof cool is practical. This is a

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good gun. It's accurate, it'sreliable, it's easy to shoot, et
cetera, et cetera, it's lightweight, you know all that stuff.
Second kind of cool. Is Ilike this gun because it's cool. And
there are a lot of people whowill buy a gun based on second cool,
and then they will justify it toyou on first cool. These people
who are who are misplacing their arguments, they'll be like And part of it

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is something we did talk about atthe very beginning of this podcast, which
I believe was six hours ago.No, it was only three whatever,
it's a long time ago, isanother lifetime. In a previous lifetime,
the people who would be like thisworked for the SAS in the nineteen eighties.

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Therefore it's good, yep, diedie, Just let yourself die at
this point, man like you ifyou're a barometer for what is competitive in
the current sphere, is what theSAS was doing in the nineteen eighties.
What are they doing now? Yeah, cheek pistol three point slang tension shooting

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mag light on the top of anMP five with the beam focus so you
can use it almost like a laser. Okay, that may have been the
peak of fast SQC shooting. Andthen in nineteen eighty nineteen eighty zero,
when the SAS conducted an embassy rateagainst whoever the fuck. I don't even
remember, because I wasn't alive itlike, it does not behoove me.

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It does not behoove me to know. But nineteen eighty a year that people
agree wasn't even part of the eightiesbecause the eighties didn't start till nineteen eighty
four. Again, I wasn't there, but this is what I've read.
So you're like, hey, thisworks now because it worked again, literally
more than forty years years ago.Nineteen eighty was forty three years ago.

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Yeah, you think that the peakof close quarters combat was what the SAS
was doing in nineteen eighty zero.How fucking stupid, are you? Right?
What's worse though, that or someonebasing everything off a video game?
Most video games were released after afternineteen eighty zero. Heym is based on

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Pong than yeah, exactly. Thefirearm demonstrated in video games are more up
to date than what the SAS wasdoing in nineteen eighty zero. Also,
so it's better for you to takeyour techniques from Call of Duty Modern Warfare

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one then from what the SAS wasdoing in nineteen eighty zero zeroo, because
one of those had the benefit ofthirty years of progress in both technology and
technique. That's funny but true.What has that been? The video game

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people are at least self aware enoughto do Second Roller cool, Like I
have a P ninety because Stargate.That's the only reason I'm making a very
expensive video on the day from DMRand the Strike Back fifty eight. Yeah,
hell, yes, yeah. Thevideo game people are at least aware

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of the fact that, you know, outside of war Thunder, it's not
technically accurate what they're doing with guns, So it's just for fun under.
When you've got the historic folks,it's like, well, no, but
they killed all those terrorists. Cool, it's a fun piece of So Tarkov,
Tarkoff and war Thunder both direct thecommunity in some way. War Under

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just because people keep like leaking legitimatelyclassified documents on the Internet, which is
hilarious. But Tarkov because people arerediscovering old optics that have just now like
trickled into the consciousness of Russian gunculture. So there is a there's an
old Buris optic called the TAC thirty. It's a wonderful scope with a piece

(20:25):
of shit radical brass facts probably ownedone back in the day. No I
and you liked the fucking piece ofshit. And I didn't tell you this
because I knew you would be madat me. But I did find one
on eBay and I did buy it. Anyway. It's a it's a it's
a Burist Wonder four LPVO with apiece of ship radical And the fact of
the matter is that it's somehow Iended up in Tarkov and it became like

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really popular. I'm sure it is, just as the l Can is good
in Tarkov. Sure, okay,okay, Hey, it's my third to
talk. It's my talk. Youknow you've been talking all night, all
right. Another optic that just shutup in Tarkov recently is the prototype.
Somebody alerted me to this. Thereis a prototype Elcan holographic. Well,

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it never made it to market.It was announced in twenty sixteen and it
didn't make it to market. Andit's an legit holographic yes, a legit
holographic weaponsite of which there have beenvery few. There is the Eotech.
There are the bush nails for madeby Eotech. There is the Vortex,
which didn't exist until twenty five yearsafter the Eotech patent expired. And that's

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it. There's a lot of othershit that's not actually holographic because of patents
and the fact that particular all benefitsare basically non existent. But Elcan wanted
to make a holographic website. Lookingat the specs sheet, it was heavier
than every eotech ever made. Ithad the battery life of you know,
medium battery life. It was notvery good, and it was very large.

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Apparently it was semi recently added toTarkov, because all of a sudden
people discovered it, rediscovered it andstarted messaging me about it, like what
about the el Can holographic And I'mlike, well, just because it was
in Tarkov doesn't mean it's real.Let me let me introduce you to mine

(22:18):
and my heterosexual life partner, Hoplipileor just Hop. Now that's me.
I really like the Elcamp because itis objectively the best optic of all time.
Oh gross, dude. Hop's numberone viewed video is uh is shitting
on the el Camp. The factthat we still are together shows how powerful

(22:44):
the bonds of the addition of agreen card is to a relationship. That's
true, he needs me, Hecan't like America. What can I say?
Yeah, it's true, and ifI break I don't think I can.
Can I divorce you and still havea How does that work? That's
after a year of marriage. Ohship, Okay, fuck, we're not

(23:07):
quite there. Say there soon.Until then, I can still have the
State Department remove you from this country, and I might. That was my
next question. I would say theokam, okay, it was pretty good.
I will not tolerate the slander despiteyou having a fucking two million view

(23:29):
el Can slander video. I amin that video. I'm just watching Ben's
expression during this and every time elCan is mentioned a face I've got.
I've got family that works at Raytheon. So you're doing very well as of
recently. If you could ask themto supply me with one of these uh

(23:56):
these Raytheon Elcan holographics, I'd beinterested because I suspect the only reason they
didn't come out with that is thatthey realized that they couldn't sell it in
the United States because the twenty fiveyear patent on the holographic site was not
up at the time that this opicwas produced, which was it was announced
twenty sixteen. It was after nineteeneighty zero when did the yes. The

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cutoff point is when the Vortex Holographiccame out. That was as soon as
it was legal to make a holographiccompetitor to the eotech in the United States.
Was when the Eotech came out,all right, sorry, when the
Vortex came out, So that wasto say that was twenty twelve, ninety

(24:40):
seven the patent on the original BushnellHolographic slash Eotech holographic was filed. I
want to say ninety three, soit should have been two thousand and eight
was when technically you could produce acompetitor to the holographic, but it took
and tell whenever Vortex's original Gen oneHuey came out, that was the first

(25:03):
time that it was actually legal tocreate a holographic weaponsite as a competitor to
the eotech. And I think thatthe Elcan was before that, so it
wouldn't have been legal to sell inthe United States, and they might have
realized, like, we could makea legit competitor to the eotech, and
I'm sure they could. It wasmetal bodied, it weighed fifteen and a
half ounces, It had one thousandhours of battery life. It was absolutely

(25:26):
a piece of garbage. But theywould have been legally allowed to produce that
and sell in countries other than theUnited States, but they probably realized that
the United States was the bigger partof the market and therefore it wasn't really
worth it if they couldn't sell tothe United States because of pattern laws.
Wasn't the Elcan like primarily just forthe scar No, the so the old

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Elcan, the fixed power the threepoint four X, the one that you
see in Battlefield three if you're familiar, was designed. They had multiple radicals.
There was a version for the sevencar being and there was a version
for the M I want to sayMT forty nine probably machine gun redical.

(26:08):
As far as the one to fourgoes, who even cares because until very
recently they didn't hold zero, soit's not even worth considering. Brock does
not like to acknowledge the fact thatthe el Can didn't hold zero for the
first ten plus years of its life. Spin I literally mentioned in my review,

(26:30):
fuck a piece of shit. I'mgoing next time I see you,
which will be in a couple ofweeks, I'm going to squeeze your el
Can and then put some dirt init. I think since this is being
reported, i'm required to only reallyendorse Burris and Steiner since their holdings group

(26:55):
Steiner steinersfeind Burs. I love Burs. Fuck it, I'm an unapologetic burst
bursts. Stand back to them.By the way, one of the talk
about that ship that was my lp v O and that thing is a
piece of ship in design. Yeah, one to four. Yeah, that

(27:15):
was my first you would see itwith yes, with the circle with exactly
that's what it used to take tomake a good lp v O back in
the day great glass. But mygod, that was when you couldn't rely
on illumination or first focal plane.You had to you still get illumination.
Well, that's a whole that's awhole conversation time. That was one of

(27:37):
the scopes to have it was goodquality wise, by that radical is Matt
used to if somebody that might actuallybe better than the radical it is that
is actually the involvement of someone designinga redical for the amtack made it worse.
Hm hm, possibly, I feelreally bad. This is just turning

(28:03):
into a brocken Hopbit marriage counseling session. I genuinely wonder how are peaking of
pats when they lied of el cans. Oh gee, begone for my site.
Foul tempers. I suspect people aregoing to listen to this that if
they started with us back in wheneverwe started twenty sixteen. This is going

(28:27):
to be reminiscent of the early episodesbecause of the alcoholism. That too,
okay, dude, that sorry sorrysorry Chuck, but like, oh I
missed when he was he's an alcoholic. I'll go. I'll go shot for
shot with with Chuck Presburg. We'llsee what happens. It's not going to

(28:48):
be good because I will die andhe will get very We'll get some really
good highlights for primary second during andthen he'll die to no. So since
he went, since he's gone dry, life has improved his storytelling I didn't
think it was possible. Is somuch better. Because inebriated Chuck telling stories

(29:12):
were awesome, and now sober Chucktelling stories, it's just like, oh
wow, there's even more detail Ididn't. I just want to hear.
I just want to hear about ahumbee going over some barbed wire and fucking
over the sergeant major of the whateveror general. I just want to hear
those stories again. Well, whatwomen getting Chuck Presberg got it. What
about the snake story he had heowned a boa as a pet oh ship,

(29:37):
Yeah, and then yeah, andthen he got his arms trapped.
This is like a pit bull story. It's like a stereotypic, but it's
a bull story. But the motherfucker. So I have that somewhere, the
snake of the story, the story. Yeah, I don't have the snake,
but yeah, this is a Turkishcomplete ripoff of the Olt. It

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has the exact same radical by theway, cost fourteen hundred bucks. The
things I do well, speaking ofwhich I don't remember which because I can't
keep you guys straight. When ofyou talking about the same person talking about
the what was it? It wasone thousand dollars knockoff laser? Not even
a knockoff. It was just aChinese laser. Oh the ella the laser

(30:26):
speed? Yeah, yeah, interesting, that's a two hundred and fifty dollars
laser. That is much cheaper thanno lasers. No, that's some gear
laser speeds liken. Oh, speakingof knockoffs, are we still airing grievances?
Yeah? What about it? Yeah? So what it was? Interesting?
Are still on topic or not?So? Ben do you have a

(30:49):
grievance. I already went, well, I know, so everyone has.
Yeah, but I went seven timespeople people, yes, I agree,

(31:11):
yeah, no, no, No, people not necessarily digging in deep enough
on what an actual use case isfor giving a recommendation. And I think
we we we somewhat touched on thatwith you know, clarity of what we're
talking about. You know, heyin twenty two is a perfectly acceptable self

(31:33):
defense arm and the following situations.You know, there's nothing wrong with a
wheel gun for self defense if you'rethe right person in the right situation with
skill set. Yeah. Not everyoneneeds an SBR five, five six or
three hundred blackout for home defense gunlike it. And we we touched on

(31:57):
this on the Shotgun episode to situationalityfor choice and firearms. If you're if
you're looking for the best solution,it's very much gotta be tailored absolutely to
the user in the situation. AndI think the problem with that is it's
not an extreme so people can't acceptit. Oh, you have to be

(32:21):
over here, you have to beover You'll probably get two to three questions
a day on Instagram and then acouple on Discord as well. It's like,
hey, I need a X forYeah, I just need an X.
Yeah this is and it's like whatthe fuck? Like what are we
doing? Are we? Are wein Ukraine? Are mad? Max?
Is? You know? What?What? What? What? What are

(32:44):
we doing here? I think there'sa little bit of maturity as a content
creator to kind of understand and assumethe default use case. And I used
to sell guns at a gun store, So I was a pretty bad,
you know seller there for a whilebecause we made commissions all that stuff,

(33:05):
because you know, I really gotinto this and really realistically, you can
tell pretty quickly when someone comes intoa gun store, you know what,
you know what type of person theyare and their use case. But yeah,
you're generally speaking, yeah, youneed to know that. You need
to know their desired use case,even if they're wrong. Right, even
if they're wrong, and that they'rethe use case is probably a little silly.

(33:28):
I think you should make an effortto try to figure that out.
And yeah, at the gun counterside, sometimes plenty of their use case
is I need slash want one andthis is my budget. Budgets. The
budget's the big one. We talkedabout Taurus earlier, Like I you know,

(33:49):
I hate I hate to So it'sfunny since you're from Brett. When
the A three came out in tamwith the super glassy smooth thing, that
was like my favorite gun for likehalf a year and I played with it
on the counter all the time.But the reality is, like a tourist
G two seed, like, peoplecome into a gun store and they have
no they don't really know, theydon't understand the pricing structure, right,

(34:12):
They just come in with some moneyand they go for it. And the
reality is the answer is probably goingto be a G two se right,
because their budget just can't handle anythingelse, and you don't want to give
them a what the fuck is thatpiece of shit called the sky fluorescent Tiffany
blue gun? Right, because thatgun might be the worst gun them all
the time. It might actually beworse than it a high point. It

(34:36):
probably is worse than a high pointmaybe, So you end up just defaulting
to the tourist G two see,like I swear to Guy's probably sold like
three hundred of those things, yeah, not much, not much too much.
G X forced us pretty awesome andonce all the gun lego parts come
out for it, it's like ashitty block. But that's like not too

(34:59):
big a the deal. I don'teven think it's shitty. No, I
mean, it's not shitty. It'sjust a shitty glock. Which the glock
is pretty shitty too, so youknow it's all relative. So I did
a video several years ago where Ishot a G two C versus a sky
versus a high point and that wasfun. It's not because it's the worst

(35:22):
it was. It was, andthe high point shot. Fine. It's
only one thing that has a worsetrigger than my belove, a TP nine,
not the Canic TP nine, theTT nine, and it might be
a sky with four and a halfyears of pre travel, absolutely and no

(35:43):
barrel rifling. Well, sometimes theyremember to rifle it. The CEO has
to do it, Okay, SoI guess I have a grievance I can
share at long last with these podcasthistorical podcast running for maybe ten years,

(36:06):
and all of a sudden we destroyedit. It's the episode length, yeah,
tell yearly per episode we're only threehours. So this is actually a
post I did yesterday. I waswatching a video from a content creator I
really don't watch, but it's popularand the video some ballistic concepts were being
discussed and a demo was provided.Watching the video created more questions than answers.

(36:30):
Hit me, goddamn it? OhMike's I like Mike. The conclusions
provided didn't quite add up if yousaw and understood the saw and understood the
issues. When content is extolling thevirtue of armor or armor defeating calibers or
munitions, If you don't understand ithow it all works and know the variables

(36:51):
in play, the content is entertainment. Most people don't understand the above yet,
we'll leave watch after watching the videothinking they have usable info and it
may influence their buying. Yeah,that's how it works. Browns fired into
a ballistic Oh, I fired roundsinto a ballistic panel and it defeated the

(37:14):
round or the panel stopped it.Okay, that's that's okay. We'll follow
that up with my agrievance about ballisticshells after the sure Yeah, sure,
yeah, so I fired into aballistic panel and it defeated the round or
the round. Yeah, so wehave going in either direction. Therefore,
this round defeats armor or the ballisticpanel stops the threat? What caliber?

(37:35):
What round? What grain? Whatlength? Of barrel was it fired from
at? What distance? What armor? What model? What rating? What
distance? How is the armor configured? What was the armours backing? Or
what was it on? Floating armorin the air versus up against a clay
backer. Both of those produced verydifferent results. A six by six ballistic
square versus a ballistic tarps versus awearable panel also provide vastly different results.

(38:00):
Cutting panels greatly reduce the ability tostop rounds. A tarp of crappy material
can function much better, much betterthan a wearable panel. It's not a
bad idea to study up on thisstuff and check your work, and specifically
when it comes to ballistic stuff.One of the people I like to talk
to is Gary Hughes. If youdon't know Gary, he's been doing armor
stuff. He also did a lotof suppressor stuff. Gary's awesome. But

(38:22):
I presented this to Gary and he'slike, yeah, that's about right.
I'm like, sweet, So we'llsee if we can stream together a coherent
thought like I did three hours ago. I absolutely agree, and trust me
as someone that receives like a sizeableamount of comments a day as a result

(38:45):
of these videos. Oh it's sure, Sure, is suffering, right,
But the counterpoint is that a lotof these videos are really useful for kind
of just like priming these people toeventually kind of move into a more mature
space, because we're all we're ona we're on a kind of journey in

(39:07):
our in our in our firearms werethe same journey. Yeah, yeah,
and we're gonna have we're gonna havea shitty phase where it's pretty meantastic goon
like, you know, moment whereit's just like, really, you know,
the information we're taking in is intovery high quality and the information you
know, or or the stuff thatwe're doing is just you know, it's

(39:27):
not very practical. You know,we we can we can barely shoot a
pistol at seven yards and that's youknow, we're happy if we get a
two bullets within two inches of eachother or whatever. But in the grand
scheme of things, I think Ithink these style videos do at least kind
of get the people primed. Ithink a good example of this is like
Grantham. I think it's really easyto be critical of Grantham and a lot

(39:50):
of these videos, but really,you know, heat even even though the
information level at least in most ofhis videos, Right, some of his
videos have been pretty good actually recently, but at least in most of his
videos are pretty of low tier.But they're in the direct, the proper
direction that we want them to goto. Right, So we're seeing a
dude in full military kit with platecares and all that stuff we want to

(40:10):
normal Yeah, and we want tonormalize that stuff we want to normalize.
Talking about so, does this bulletfuck up a human being? Right?
That's a weird topic to discuss fornormal, well adjusted human beings quote unquote
well adjusted. Right, that's aweird topic to discuss. Like, is
my bullet going to cause like completelooking like cavitation in my target, to

(40:32):
destroy critical organs, to cause itcome instantaneous? Stop? Now? Is
the data being presented in a highquality fashion? No, but it's it's
very rare that you can get likea like a well adjusted, normal human
being to just jump from nothing tothe point where we have discussions about terminabilistics
of bonded bullets from from nothing.No, that's almost impossible. It's a

(40:55):
progressive journey. So this very entertainment. I mean, I'm assuming what video
you're talking about, right, I'mthinking thinking of someone that involved flamethrowers and
stuff like that. But to getto that point, you kind of need
to go in baby steps. Sonormal people don't watch brass facts in hot
normal people don't watch these these veryinformative videos. Normal people watch a flamethrower

(41:16):
on a fucking ballistics shell target,right, So if that's what we need
to get them addicted to this,this this literally worse than drugs, fucking
hobby that, then so be it? Right, Like it sucked, like
they're they're kind of obnoxious to interactwith on a day to day basis,
because I swear to god it's it'sawful every single time. But if that's

(41:38):
part of the journey, then that'spart of the journey, and it's it's
it. I think it's okay,right, it's yes, Okay, I
could have said that a lot better, but you know, six spears,
oh is it TFB? Also,you know, I mean, okay,

(42:04):
I was thinking of someone else,but like you know, it still applies
well, And there's absolutely nothing wrongwith having that infotainment stuff that's presenting concepts
where people are gonna they're going toseek it further. The thing that I'm
running into are people using this aswell, this is the justification to my

(42:25):
to my to my decision making.You're missing a lot of information if you're
using that as your as your justification. There's a lot more information we need
to we need to go over.Well, no, I don't need to
do that because this video clearly explainseverything and you don't know what you're talking
about. Okay, So I've beendoing this a little longer, Yeah,

(42:46):
a little bit more strategic because I'mfrom the perspective of, you know,
the consumer for a lot of thisright now, and I remember the times
where I saw this stuff and I'mlike, wow, this is this.
Yeah, I remember my journey,like some people are just never going to
take that next step. But let'sbe honest, if they were never going

(43:06):
to take that next step, like, do we really expect them to operate
at that higher level of knowledge?No, well, then they were always
a lost cause to begin right.But for those people that like, for
example, okay, you know thiscock sounds cocky as shit, But for
example, for me, I certainlyhad a stage where you know, I
gobbled this ship up and it wasn'tvery much, but then you know,
my mind was like oh, butI want to see more eventually, and

(43:29):
I finally did take that journey.I don't think. I don't think brand
new brass facts getting into the gunindustry, buying his stag arms, you
know, in twenty fourteen for waytoo much fucking money. You know,
would have ever seeked out that extraknowledge if I didn't first have that stage
of seeing these these concepts being presentedto me. Yeah. Probably the great
examples is Russian fps. Russian right, there is zero knowledge in that thing,

(43:54):
but it starts the journey of normalizingthese really insane things. And it's
the same here necessary. I getpissed off every time a flamethrower or a
ballistic shelter, like I said,one of my grievances gets used to demonstrate
the effectiveness of around, but itdoes get you started on understanding that,
you know, different bullets do differentthings. Ye okay, okay, I'll

(44:15):
sew. I'll go peanut again.The seal is the seal has popped,
you know, still gotta I guessI'm only on a single. Yeah,
seventy two ounces of Utah's finest threepoint five percent alcohol beer really goes through.

(44:36):
Man. H. So what washis grievance with ballistic chill because it's
it's it's providing us with some dataif it's done right. Sure online doesn't
done right, and then it's donefor high speed. It's the lack of

(44:58):
it's probably the lack of scientific riggorbecause he had not everything is data being
yeah, yeah. And it's alsoit's also the fact that people are very
easily impressed by temporary wound cavity.That is a problem. That's always been
the fact. With bulliet gel.People see the big temporary cavity like,
holy shit, that's devastating, andyou're like, doesn't mean anything because you

(45:19):
can demonstrate I believe you can demonstratesimilar temporary cavity by punching a guy.
Like a punch delivers as much energyas three bullets, you know whatever.
It's it's the it's the way thatthe energy is transformed into tissue damage.
And that's why there's been a lotof reasons where like energy dump was this
idea that exist twenty years ago,and oh it's it's there were amus like

(45:44):
like any of the fraangible ammunitions,there was extreme shock ammunition, all these
things that the idea was energy dumpwas you just you don't want to waste
energy, and that's correct. Youdon't want to waste energy. If the
bullet exits the target, that's wastedenergy. The ideal is that the bullet
should exit the target and be stoppedby his T shirt on the backside.

(46:06):
That is, that is the latonicideal that it has so much so little
energy as it goes out that aT shirt that a wife beater, as
we do, pissed off dropped itdown. Yeah, like that way has
a shitload of energy, but itpoops out on the other end every single
side, but five five six doesn'tlike it fucking disintegrates. Well, assuming

(46:29):
it does things, sometimes it poopsout the other end and the key holds
you. But yeah, that's thething that that's five five six versus three
three away has a shipload of energy, but it's not efficient in a human
body because it can't unless you havespecialized bullets. It struggles. Okay,
So it's really cool about that though. So if we're if we're looking at
handgun rounds specifically, let's just sayduty caliber FBI ballistics, we're looking at

(46:52):
penetration on calibrated ballistic gel. Thepenetration window optimally is eighteen or twelve to
eighteen inches. The fact that someof these rounds are so well made that
they're either getting caught just inside theskin on the opposite side of the entry
wound, or they are just gettingpooped outside and Coughton shirts, which is

(47:12):
hugely documented. That's so cool becausethat's what they're supposed to do inside the
car Hard jacket on the other sideof the target. Yes, that's it,
you did it. That's really wantIf you shot some of the Carhart
jacket, that's a that's a noshoot. Well it won't even go through
demographic that Yeah, but that isso cool and so just like what Pop

(47:32):
just said, So let's talk aboutthat three fifty seven magnum. Oh yeah,
three fifty seven people die immediately.No, there's a lot of wasted
energy because it's it's going to penetrate, but penetrating person, everything beyond that
person is just wasted energy. Sowhy do you want to go after that?
There's also that sitation there, right, because there's infinite depth on a

(47:55):
barrel. Yeah, the explode cavitationof going into a target, and you
say energy dump if you expand hugeA lot of these fragmentation. This is
a big extreme shock DRT black ops, HPR, all this stuff. These
bullets that would expand huge fragment andthen the base of the bullet would penetrate

(48:16):
to penetration depths. So technically youwould just get that box on penetration depth.
You'd say some of the bullet wentto eighteen inches, but it was
just it was like a forty greenbase. The rest of the bullet fragmented
off, reeled off, immediately createda very large wound track. So you
really did it checked all the boxesthat people cared about at the time.

(48:37):
It had appropriate quote unquote penetration,it had explosive cavitation. It looked really
good on paper, but what itactually did was essentially nothing because you had
a very small projectile penetrating to depthand you had a very large temporary wound
cavity on JAEL that didn't translate toactual effect on tissue. So those were

(48:57):
not that Oh that was not onmy grievance list. Energy dump is heat.
Energy dump is heat. You dumpall your energy into a body.
Immediately you have warmed the tissue bya few degrees and Okay, nobody fucking
cares because you can sustain a temperature, a fever temperature of one hundred and
four degrees for multiple hours before it'sa problem if your tissues are temporarily heated

(49:22):
to one hundred and two degrees foragain, temporarily, we were talking about
fragments partially partial seconds. That's that'snot legit, that's not energy dump.
But your body is I know moreabout this is but my understanding and I

(49:42):
looked into this affair bit ballistics gelatineis a one to one analog. So
they figured out what you know,they shot it like they understand what what
a human body does to a relativeround, and then they figured out what
the gelatine does relative to that performance. So we figured out at some point
that you know, this depth equalsthis relative to a human body. Right.

(50:07):
But as soon as we try todo other things, try to pull
other data from gelatin, like wombcavity size, that that that comparison begins
to fall apart. So that talksabout a big part of the issue I
have with ballistic shows depth. Okay, we we we've correlated a one to
one analyt depth to human body depth. Because a gelatin is not a human

(50:31):
body. A gelatin is an analogthat we figured out that acts in a
similar way, and then we scalethat that that number down to the represents
bone. Yeah, but as soonas we try to do other stuff like
holy shit, look at the sizeof this womb cavity that was never in
the original parameter like this. Yeah, so I'm very body. This guy

(50:52):
is my sponsor, by the way, to a degree, I'm very cautious
about stuff about external haul of pointswhere they're like, we have an external
wound or an in permanent womb cavityof quadruple inches of depth, yes,
in gelatin, but the gelatin wasnever designed to test that parameter. It's
not a one to one analog ofhuman flesh. So it is entirely possible

(51:16):
that external external hallow point bullets arethe next generation of pistol stuff. But
it's also entirely possible that that's incompletelyfalse because gelatin is not a one to
one womb like comparison. So weare a slab of a consistent material.
We have structure. That is somethingI'm very scared to to accept. Maybe

(51:37):
I'm even boomer here, right,because maybe maybe these new rounds, these
G nine bullets are the fucking nextgeneration of stuff. But yeah, yeah,
I hate when people think gelatin isa one to one thing because I
like, I went full Latisma modelike I did with EMPs, where I
looked up studies and it turned outno one in the gun industry is actually
doing white paper is worth a fuckunfortunately compared to the very own is I'm

(52:01):
talking. I'm talking like scientific studies, with like full blown scientific white paper
engineering. I bet TOM very hardto come by, and EMP was interesting.
So I have about twenty papers ofEMPs, fucking forty pages a piece,
and it has nothing to do with, you know, surviving an EMP.
But that's the video hop really wantsme to do. I feel really

(52:22):
bad because the three other panelists thathaven't been able, they're eating popcorn.
What are you talking about? Thisis great? But we we we Yeah,
they're enjoying their own personally curated cringecompilation of us just running our fucking
retarded alcoholic mouths on this podcast,ruining Matt's good reputation that he's built for

(52:42):
the last ten years. So oneof the cool things about these solids,
though, is that awesome potential penetrationand the potential of having a good defensive
round that that can meet FBI standardsand it's not a hollow point, which
are illegal in certain areas. Peoplewho made this it was called guard Dog.

(53:07):
I don't know if it was federalfederal guard Dog, that sounds right.
It was an ammunition, It wasa it was a plated it looked
silver but it wasn't. But itwas a plated HaLow point round that had
a polymer core and it would collapseand the polymer bits would kind of squeeze
out of the corners. It wasnot a real holow point in that,

(53:29):
yeah it was. It was textingHaLow point, but it was technically an
expanding round, so you could kindof get the benefits of both. It
would reduce over penetration theoretically. Italso had that same effect through intermediate barriers
like drywall. Of oh, drywallis literally just newsprint and calcom powder.
It doesn't actually do shit to round, so I'm not sure why we even
care. But these ideas of yeah, of reducing penetration of like, you

(53:51):
see the effect in gel and you'revery impressed by it, regardless of the
fact that the gel was specifically calibratedback in nineteen eighty nine or whatever the
fuck to essentially scapegoat a cartridge.It's like, it's not the FBI's fault
that these agents were killed in ashootout. It's not our fault. It's
nothing to do with our process ofwhich we just interdicted these guys in the

(54:14):
middle of a highway without proper procedure. It's not our fault that people died.
It's nine millimeter. Nine milimeters sucks. We had no way of knowing.
Nine milimeters sucked. Silvertip, Winchestersilvertip. Oh my god, it
killed these FBI agents. No,it was a procedural problem in the Miami
Dade shootout that resulted in the deathsof FBI agents. But nine millimeter was

(54:37):
a convenient scapegoat. Silvertip was theround they carried at the time. Silvertip
was a convenient scapegoat that led tothe development of ten millimeters, led to
the development of forty Smith and Wesson, and then we're back to ninety and
now we're back to nine millimeter.The fact of the matter is that forty
Smith and Wesson legitimately is the besthandgun cart which ever created, because it
penetrates as deeply as forty as tenmillimeter, it expands as long or just

(55:00):
anything whatever. It's the best fortySmith and Weston fucking rules, according to
the metrics that they came up within the aftermath of the Miami Day shootout.
Yeah, does that actually matter?No, because it turns out when
you give the average police officer thatgun, they can't shoot it properly anymore.
And a hit is worth more thana miss. Right, So again,

(55:21):
and this is, if I may, I don't know how I do
this every single time. I'm afucking savant with a shit. If I
can bring it back to brassfac's originalcomplaint about the B eight target people complaining
about the BA target being too small, I want you to realize that ninety
nine percent of the time, ifyou have to deploy your handgun defensively,
you need to be making CNS hitsbecause handguns do not kill people. One

(55:45):
in six wounds from a handgun isfatal, so most of the time they
are not. So if you're justlike I just got to get hits on
target with a handgun, that doesnot count on this panel purely. So
you could a scream t zone.Ah fuck. And the problem is if
you're if you're taking shots with ahandgun. Handguns do not have the explosive
cavitation and the hydrostatic shock effect thatthe human body lack of the human body

(56:12):
has the capability to absorb the energyput out by a nine millimeters round.
With rifles, you exceed. Fact, when you're a child, you fall
off the swing, you hit theground, splat. That is a pretty
serious temporary wound cavity. Do thathappen to me? I was on a
swing, probably flew off, landedon my exactly. The man, the
man loves, the man knows howto have fun. The point I guess

(56:36):
being, Yeah, like handgun roundsneed to hit cns because in order to
get that sort of like that,that cavitation, that that that affects other
organs adjacent to the wound site.Right there are people argue about what that
actual threshold is twenty three hundred petper second, twenty five feet per second.
Uh, say, you've got yourthreefty seven magnum artithas sorry, three

(57:00):
zond sig, one of the highestvelocity small caliber handgun rounds, and if
you have a six inch gun shootingthree fifty seven sig, your muzzle velocity
might be twenty three hundred. Twentythree hundred is accepted as the bare minimum
for potential cavitation effect. So ifyou have a contact shot with three three

(57:21):
don sig long barrel handgun, youmay experience some some additional cavitation effect.
Gas is alone that right. Yeah, contact shots are already understood to be
surprisingly devastating because it's just experience thefart effect. So if that's what it
takes to get cavitation at the handgun, just abandon it. Just just give

(57:44):
up on it, because that's notgoing to happen. If the guy's ten
feet away from you, you're notgetting it. If you're shooting anything less
than and again that is with Ithink it's sixty grain three fifty seven sig
sixty grain. That is some thatis not light for caliber. That's absurdly
for caliber. Handgun rounds just willnot create that cavitation effect. They're just

(58:04):
not going to do it. Andlight and fast for caliber has been done
before and it's still not doing anythingfantastic. That's one of the seven for
its own caliber, like five sevenisn't even there is no light for light
for caliber five seven. The wholecaligis caliber. It's ridiculous. So you

(58:25):
understand that's easy. As you establishedearlier, the man is a lawyer,
not a scientist, so it doesn'treally matter. I recommend not the lawyer.
You're my scientist. Yeah, butyes, but I handle all your
your stuff and you need to youneed to calm down. He's your most
you're a secretary, and you've alreadydone the a case lander. You can't.

(58:50):
You can't. I don't have alot of friends left. But I
guess if you're shooting, we shouldtry to make the ason hits right seven
product. They can actually create cavitationeffect. Oh yes, Well what were
you saying? What were you saying? Ben? Did we just lose them?

(59:10):
Yeah? Do you do? Youwant to see if I can tag
in the five seven pm at uhfn. It's not because he changed teams.
They might have a they might havea inventive to protect the five seven
You know that company boos in anyother company? Eric? Oh yeah,

(59:30):
duh, Yeah, he's he's afriend of the program wound challenge with respect
to his evening would would he wantto? You can say, yeah,
he hangs out. He's not doinganything better. Tom, You haven't said
anything. I want to see yourmustache in action a little more. I'm

(59:53):
talking and and you need to lookup dark star gear holsters. No,
but one of the things, uh, that you guys were getting at kind
of ties in if it's something thatwe can quantify in this industry, people
fuck it up. You know,We've got people who can't read the menu

(01:00:16):
of McDonald's and order correctly trying tomake you know, scientific decisions off a
ship that's far more complicated than fries, and they just can't get it.
And people they can flate their experiencein one thing for knowledge and another and
just dravety bonders like the you know, like like the energy thing. You

(01:00:39):
know, you know, the thefast has always been you know, appealing
because you know, velocity is asquared term and the energy equation. So
you increase that a little bit,you get in, uh, your energy
rises faster. And yeah, sorry, just ranting equal one. But we

(01:01:05):
don't we can't. We can't entirelyquantify like, yes, we want all
the energy to deposit into whatever we'rehitting, but you don't want to waste
it. No, we don't wantto waste it. But I'm any amount
of muscle energy is potential wounding.So if the bullet leaves the target with
any additional energy, that's wasted energy. You want to expand it all in
the target if you can. Thatdoesn't mean energy dumps real It just means

(01:01:29):
that if you have the potential toexpand more while penetrating the same, you
should do it. If you havethe ability to penetrate more while expanding the
same, you should do it.You shouldn't put any of that muscle energy
to waste. But you also don'tknow how far away the target is,
what the target is wearing, andwhat intermediate barriers the target might be behind.
So it may be acceptable to youto overpenetrate a simulated target because you

(01:01:51):
think it's possible the target will bebehind dry wall wearing a car heart jacket.
What is with you and car heart? It's just that's always the thing
to comes up. It's it's likethe car or if you shoot a guy
with a frozen jacket on with thirtycar bean, he doesn't go through Like
It's like me and Tom are wearingliterally the same flannel right now. Holy
ship Ben was also wearing like acheckered flannel. Wow, a bunch of

(01:02:15):
Grandthum fans in here tonight, Granddaddybaby. In my defense, I always
been wearing it from a Why Iwear a flannel? What was that?
I went to art school. That'swhy I wear flannel. I'm a legitimate
went to school. I went toart school, design school. Yeah,
I've got a bachelor's of Science anddesign. Very nice. Any luck with

(01:02:45):
Eric apparently, uh, his currentemployer has some pretty strict rules about employees
appearing on stuff. Tell him Iwas able to get Tom on several times,

(01:03:07):
Victor, and he's trying to playit safe. Yeah, it's understandable.
I mean, I'm at the levelof an abreation war. I can
argue with anybody for as long asthey can go about anything on either side
of the well. No exactly.I mean it's like to be you give

(01:03:27):
me my position in a large Idon't actually care. Just tell me what
I have. You'll get on andcross swords. The big thing is head
is recorded. Yeah, yeah,exactly. If he could come on with
a voice modifier and like a facemask and we all pretend that he worked
for someone else. Yeah, andwe didn't set this up already, or
we didn't bring up that's going tobe him. I don't think he cares

(01:03:54):
no having that that's a negative ghostwriter. Yeah, having worked with the
fn pople, awesome people, awesomecompany, I just don't like five to
seven crap. And the pistol wasnever intended to be that was an afterthought.
Yeah, And all I can sayis he says he understands your point,

(01:04:15):
but also you're wrong, ReSpectacle,and he's I'm looking at the scientifically
done, in correct settings ballistics gelthat backs it. So what statistically reference
to five seven being useless? Well, not useless, because statistically speaking,

(01:04:41):
it doesn't matter statistically speaking, havinga gun already wins statistically statistically speaking,
shooting the gun wins. Statistically speaking, hitting the target wins. Well,
not if you diiled all the way, it doesn't matter because there's the psychological
effect of the gun, psychological effectof the sh psychological effect of the hit.
So they're only nine, You've alreadydrilled down the one percent every single

(01:05:08):
time until he get to the pointwhere it's actually the effect of the round
matters. Well. It's also it'salso worth keeping in mind that that company
sells weapons systems as a total packagefor military law enforcement they also make them
for most well, but exactly mypoint being that when they when they design

(01:05:31):
and calibrate it, it is thisgun designed to use this AMMO with this
optic. That's everything we're selling.And we as consumers in the commercial grade
stuff, well, we either don'thave access to that specific AMMO or true
whatever random stuff we've got and mixand match. Also a very a very

(01:05:51):
common problem that we have of peopleconflating different types of thing. I think
brass facts. I swear to guy, we talked about thislast time. Brass
facts of first, this is thesuperposition right to me, Well, I
refer to you a lot because you'reyou're a scientific man. I'm an english
Man, so I need your credibilityto back up my articulate points. Exactly.

(01:06:14):
I just want you for your credibility. But you've got it's terrible.
This is just awful. Yeah.So the idea of like you've got the
uh the five seven, which technicallytechnically effective out of the ten inch barrel

(01:06:39):
that it was designed for in Foladoin Folado, and then you've got people
a bag into somebody's chest. Itdoes a lot of things. A lot
of people are going to use thatas their baseline, and then you're going
to be like, yeah, butas far as the handgun goes, I'd
rather have a nine millimeter And thenthey're going to say, but five to
seven performs better. Then their informationcomes a ten and a half inch barrel.

(01:07:00):
And guess what, My block nineteendoes not have a ten and a
half inch barrel and your five sevenhandgun doesn't have a ten and a half
inch barrel. So you are conflating, as as Brock would say, at
the superposition, you're using the ballisticinformation of the P ninety to support your
choice of carrying a five to sevenbecause it's the same cartridge, so the
same shit. So that happens allthe fucking time. Another interesting thing about

(01:07:26):
scientific study, and this thing isof really high quality, you know,
research papers that are published, roughlyspeaking about sixty this was in political science,
About sixty percent of papers studied willgo on to have that paper disproved
at a later later date, despitehaving really good R values, despite having

(01:07:47):
really good P values. At pointoh five, you named it the one
I understand even when even when youconsider what like, for example, like
federal release to video, they talkabout like, hey, We've done the
best we can, but this isstill really hard to pin down as a
true hard science kind of thing.There's a lot of nebulous shit here.

(01:08:11):
And when you consider all that andthen the reality that we're not really good
at doing this stuff and getting itlike a universal truth of an answer,
and then you combine that with thefact that every single time I hear people
that use five to seven in thereal world, like on human targets,
say holy fuck, this is abullet hose. It takes an entire magazine

(01:08:34):
to put down a dude. Youcombine that altogether, it seems that it
does seem to push a little bittowards the narrative that five to seven kind
of sucks at doing something. Wedon't know why. The science may not
back it up, but we alsodon't really we're not very capable. We're
not also capable of creating scenarios wherethe science experiment supports reality. So that

(01:08:54):
is something to consider. Human scienceexperiments aren't always, you know, entirely
accurate, and that's something we haveto admit to. Even Hey, I'm
again as someone with both of theSBR and P ninety and A twelve gauge
in the safe. Something happens inmy house, I'm grabbing twelve gauge.

(01:09:15):
I don't care how many bullet hoswhatever. Yeah, I mean bull bullets.
A bullet at the atf leave mealone, no matter, Nope,
Yeah, twelve gauge. Yeah,bring up somebody in that. Get Chuck
Presburg on the same. It doesn'treally matter what you're doing at seven yards.

(01:09:39):
You can fucking party pack that bitch, you know you get you put
some little some fucking coyote rounds inthere, some some frangible boys in there.
You can put some twenty two's intoyour five five six rangers. It
doesn't matter when you're when you're whenyou're going cyclick on a dude at seven
yards. It doesn't really matter whatwe're talking about. But in terms of
the academic point of view, itdoes. Actually, at the end of

(01:10:00):
the day, I have to makeall this shit up because, unlike Chris
Kyle, I don't have a Konuskill. Somebody in the in the comments
has brought up that liberty civil defensewill go over two thousand feet per second
in nine millimeter, which is fantastic, except that remember that our threshold for
explosive cavitation is minimum twenty three hundred, probably twenty five hundred, So two
thousand is still nothing. Twenty onehundred is still nothing. Twenty three hundred

(01:10:26):
is borderline, and that's muzzle velocity. So if the target is ten yards
away from you, you've already fallenbelow that. So again nothing, Keep
pushing the envelope. It's nothing theentire time. The coolest thing about five
seven is I don't have to careabout it because I just don't care,
so it can exist. Not likeyou could afford it anyway. Yeah,
it's like it's a round. Idon't know. You called it poor fuck

(01:10:49):
dude, we don't do that.In twenty twenty three. We're all poor.
This is Biden's America. None ofus can afford five to seven anymore.
The guitar in the background, that'sright, I hop actually has a
physical guitar. It is p hemoved. Yeah there it is. Yeah,
you can see it. So that'snot a nice guitar though. You've

(01:11:13):
got five seven, dude. Thisis the entirety of it. And what's
the grain edge, what's the what'sthe coating of the bullet? That's one
serving? Yeah, right, thisis this is half A magazine said,
uh, Matt, do you uhdo you like the purple dots? Yeah,

(01:11:41):
well no everybody does because they're dessertlike. That doesn't count. It's
the real like. It's the savoryflavors of the dots that make the red
command and the yellows and the gagereal quick, what's your order of dots?
All of them? No, butyou need to know you've got to
pick it. Yeah, you canhave to pick. You gotta put talk
about the blues. Talk about theblue dots, the Southwest dots, right,
the southern, the Southern flavor,the Southern style. What do you

(01:12:04):
think about those? Is there somethingthat springs to mind? You think about
the what do you what do youlike about them that they have additional flavor?
What do you dislike about them?I don't think anything, because I
like dots by comparison, So reddots are the first ones that I would
take red over blue? Is thereds depends on I want to depend.

(01:12:28):
It should not depend. This isthe problem where we're yeah, and then
this yell we're going to really grindagainst this here. Yellow yellow fine,
yellow is fine. You can sayyellow, you can say red. You
can say purple, I mean,if that's the kind of guy you are.
But when you say blue, man, I wonder, I wonder about

(01:12:54):
you. When you say blue,I'm gonna have to call missus dots herself.
Yeah. See, like, Idon't even think she believes in blue
as strongly as she believes in theother flavors of her Peopuys don't like blue.
I mean, we don't dislike betterthan everything else, right right,
right, better than we're old.I'm not saying that we like blue.
I'm saying that we don't dislike itas much as we like, you know,

(01:13:15):
eating cow poop off the fucking prairie. Sure it's still blue though,
So if I'm just going to grabsomething without any it probably would be red.
But times, at times I maythink, you know, blue would
be kind of nice. Right now, Okay, we're yellow, Okay,
yellow, Yeah, you know yellowyellow. Yeah, when you need to

(01:13:36):
spit, you know, slicelf thedots flavoring, it's okay to take a
break from the standbys. The gopMy three year old absolutely loves, yeah,
purple category of its own. Yeah, the three year old doesn't get
blue. You don't probably appreciate howmany hours we spent talking about this already,

(01:13:58):
but like they're made, so whatdo you think is going to be?
There was a there was a personin our friend group who is no
longer in our friend group because becausewe appreciate dots in the right way and
we don't like it, don't dowe don't like it. We don't talk
to him anymore. We don't likegreen is going to be se yit hey

(01:14:20):
so spicy caso, spicy way up. I don't know they like because blues
is not what you signed up for. I know it's not what it was
like. Yeah, like Southern flavor, it tastes, it has a weird
aftertaste. Blues fucked up. Something'swrong with blue. And we got to
talk to Dot Lady dot about this, but we don't have our number,

(01:14:41):
so we're just sort of screaming toothe void at this point. Once we
get enough internet clout, she willhave no choice. We'll have her all
knowledge our complaints about the blue flavor. Something's wrong with it. You know,
you know, we're ruining your credibilityin real time, like demonstrably,
don't think so it's all. It'snot even nine people watch because we this

(01:15:03):
is a throwback, not how weused to do these, and people complain
that we don't do this anymore.This is just getting the comments section rouled
up, because you know somebody's gonnawatch like five hours into this and they're
gonna be pissed. I just wantto see tomorrow. I want to wake
up to a quality marooned gun memespost about how bad this went. I

(01:15:25):
didn't think it went bad. I'mgoing to have to cut it short at
some point because I do need toget up in the morning. The last
time you were ready to get readyfor some some call of duty, war
zone zombies, whatever the fuck withsome Diablo three skins? Oh my god,
my friends play that screen that shipand there was a Diablo three thing

(01:15:47):
with wings running across the finder.And now they're Dune characters from the most
recent Dune. How does they?How do they? At least Dune looks
kind of cool compared Diablo recheck withwaves? Well, what's your name?
Nicki Minaj was a character? HowWhy wasn't Peter Griffin a character? And

(01:16:09):
oh I hadn't seen that one,but I wouldn't be surprised. It doesn't
matter. I don't. I onlyplay the first Max Pain games in honor
of James McCaffrey. Rip man.I remember when those came out. It's
a good man right there. Hewas also in Uh Rescue Me, The
Dennis Larry Firefighters Ship. Good show, good character, all good, very

(01:16:34):
good. This kind of talk isgoing to rile up my cancer? What
I will cause you to metastasize youjust fucking wait Fortnite? Its Fortnite different
than the thing we were talking about. Nicky Minaj isn't in Fortnite? I

(01:16:56):
didn't know that. I assumed itwas all the same fucking game. Does
anyone have any other errands of greevance? Could somebody please talk about guns for
just a minute even, that'd benice? Come on chat, you can
do this. What is on mylist? See you? Actually we've gone
through. I had like a sevenpart list. We hit five seven.
Oh, pistol suppressors, I haveall the pistol suppressors are a fucking scam.

(01:17:28):
What the fuck is? Come on, man, don't be doing that.
What do you what do you getto holster that in? I'm not
well, there you go? Areyou going to hit anything with that easily?
I put down for for about sure, right, contact shot, remember

(01:17:50):
it not my finger is not infront of the muzzle. You've seen the
Mel Gibson film. Well it's anairft. It doesn't matter, that's air
soft. Remember the scene the guy'sface and he shoots him with a forty
four magnum and it goes. Becausea pillow is all you need if that's
what you're into. Neighbors, appreciatethis when you're putting down deer, well

(01:18:10):
putting down. But but I'm talkingabout, like, put a pillow on
a pistol as a pistol is intended, Like I swear to God, no
plive other guns for that, yep, but I have beca That's what I'm
saying pistol suppressors. People think youput a pistol supress on a handgun and
the handgun continues to act like ahandgun and doesn't turn into this fucking forty
seven m moa monstrosity because the pistondoesn't reset properly every time. That might

(01:18:34):
just be your eyes. That mightbe a specifically you problem because you got
to see gs can and apparently they'rejust known for that. This is also
a Chambers nineteen eleven. So we'renot that quite rich yet people think we
make a lot of money on YouTube. True, well, why do you
need a suppressor for an as?How is that? How is that ice

(01:18:57):
soup treating you right now? Delicious? Crunchy crunchy Yeah, espe crunchy peanut
buttery. Except well, you checkin three days, so you'll be able
to buy some shin Black Robin.But it's going to be back to my
suit once we pay for this Airbnbfor a trip coming up buck. Yeah,
what a what a good job,What a great job. I don't

(01:19:18):
think people understand how little money wefucking make. Best job I ever had.
I we could sell out harder.Yeah. The one thing that I
learned from becoming slightly popular is thatother popular people are like, man,
welcome to the rich person's club.And I'm like, what the fuck are
you talking about with Leviathan group today? And yeah, you can make a

(01:19:41):
lot more money than you are makingright now. Thank God. I don't
like money because I don't use itfor anything. I already own all the
video games ever made. Like whatam I going to use money for?
Dude? By which light is notthat expensive? It turns out people without

(01:20:02):
jobs can still afford to get drunkin this country. So on Mountain Dew
exactly, and nothing else. Havewe have we ruined your career enough for
one night. We let you goand salvage a little bit of our We
go to bed at this point.Yeah, you guys are wake up in

(01:20:26):
the morning with a bunch of angryemails being like, dude, work.
So what is going to happen,though, is when I do kill the
feed, I'll kill the YouTube feedas well, and that's going to turn
private because it will ultimately be editednot for content, but just to put
bookends on it. It might alsoyou might also want to edit it for
content about thirty seconds on YouTube.No, why would I want to do

(01:20:49):
that? Because we're bad people,and I think it's been very delightful.
Tom's been here the entire time.If man he would have taken off.
Ben Ben is asleep. He's snoringon the on camera a little bit.

(01:21:11):
Hey Ben, Oh Ben, quick, quick before we go. I am
I am a b U nine nanovictim. So you're welcome. I mean
it's it's I have a laser forthat. It's my bedside gun. It's

(01:21:31):
got a it's got a frame laserattached to it. It's got excess big
dot sights on it. How doesthat make you feel any of this?
Any of this getting if you wantmore frame lasers, I think I've got
like five thousand of them in thewarehouse. Yeah, it is. It
is honestly the ultimate home defense gunbecause I could wake up in the middle

(01:21:54):
of the night having a horrible nightmare, imagining that I'm being attacked in my
sleep, and I could grab myBretta b U nine from the bedside,
and I could point it at myimaginary target. I could pull the trigger
for up to fourteen minutes and thegun wouldn't go off. The trigger is
just that long and heavy. Itreally is the safest nightmare gun. I'm

(01:22:15):
so in defense of people who madethat gun when I was still in high
school qualification. I'm not I'm notblaming you for the b U nine.
I am going to blame you forthe APX carry. I suspected that came
out during your tenure, so thatis on you. The other one wasn't.
Okay, I am responsible for twothings on the APX carry, the

(01:22:43):
frame texture and the sights. Shit, all right, well then that was
that was one of John Chapman's contributions. No, that was the full size
APX. He oh yeah, reallydo anything with the it's a very why
is it that keeps? I meanwe were already way past time here,
But like the APX carry is anano and not an APX. In the

(01:23:06):
same way that the PX four subcompactwasn't really a PX four right, because
the PX four full sizing compact wereboth rotating barrel guns. And then the
subcompact just wasn't it was a fuckingwhat was it was a nine thousand and
s again, wasn't it It wasa it was a Reba No, no,
no, no, the subcompact.Okay, so two very separate different

(01:23:30):
reasonings there. The reason the PXfor subcompact was so different than the base
the rest of the family shared,the magazine, shared the trigger group.
Basically, it had the different operatingaction because the barrel was an inch and
a half long. It was itwas the smallest and yet fattest gun ever

(01:23:50):
made. Yeah, back when subcompactscould be subcompacts, even if they were
an eight and a half, itmade a glock twenty six look spelled.
It wasn't a stake to do fourThat's one thing you you not you,
but Reddick can hang its hat on, is that at least you didn't make
the stink to do four. Sothe compact, you can't make the rotating

(01:24:15):
barrel shorter because of the requirement forthe basically the impact of the length on
the recoil rod and how that stacksup against the locking block and the rotating
part. You've got a required amountof spring stroke to just extract the the
the casing and basically you can't reallyget the PX for compact system shorter.

(01:24:45):
So that's that's why the subcompact isa completely different beast. Now for the
APX versus the APX carry scape,we had the Nano in our portfolio independent
of the APX. The decision wasmade to basically focus our striker guns under

(01:25:09):
one name plate, and to acertain degree, it was designed by the
same engineer. So if you lookat a Nano chassis and an APX chassis
next to each other, the designthe core engineering philosophy. I mean,
they're related, they are directly related. I can't really say more than that

(01:25:35):
without getting in trouble. That's fair. It's not fair of me to just
spring that on you. Apropos ofnothing at the end of a six hour
long drunken dietribe. But I am. I am a Nano owner. I'm
a Nano carrier. It came outbefore the shield. My life is that
is true. My life is isdefended by the Nano. So if I

(01:25:57):
ever get home invaded and murdered inthe middle of the night, well then
then we might have a problem.But until then, it's doing a great
job. It's a perfectly reliable andaccurate little gun. That is true.
Well, the design philosophy that waschosen for that platform ended up not being
the way the US market went.That gun came out. That was the

(01:26:17):
first micro nine, and it wasthe first one with a chassis too,
by like a decent margin. Thatis true. The I have a green
frame on mine. It came witha black frame. I put the green
frame on it because it looks sick, but also I mean, I'm I'm
the farthest thing from a trigger snob. My favorite sighangun ever made is the

(01:26:39):
two fifty, and I wish theystill did it because, honestly, I
think the right trigger these days probablyYou're right, and the Nano as far
as carry guns go, man,I'll fucking take a Nano over a fucking
LCP or a Max nine or whateverrugs making these days. I still love
my nano. So the trigger,I'm not going to place it with an

(01:27:00):
APX carry. I'm just saying,you know, the APX So the trigger
on the APX carry isn't any shorter, but we did replace just about every
component between the physical trigger and thebullet that we could, so it is
a lighter, smoother spring, aall metal striker spring assembly. It's a

(01:27:21):
recoded striker which has got the seeron it, and then the seer I
mean we we did put a lotof work into making the APX carry trigger
as good as it could get withouta complete, read complete system platform redesign.

(01:27:42):
I've seen some of the Frankensteins wherepeople take the the APX carry top
end and put it on the nanobottom end, and it looks cool first
of all, but if there wassome work done to the trigger group on
the bottom end, it's probably notreally the It's not a one hundred percent
upgrade as the APX Carry would be. No, and also opts ready apxcurity
does have a cut APX carry Aone has got a cut. Yeah,

(01:28:05):
Okay, the odds of me replacingmy my beloved bedside nano with an apx
A one carry pretty low. Butthat's good to know. The information to
hap out between rebates and how cheaperselling them. I mean those those get
pretty down there on price. Andyour mags are compatible. Damn you are

(01:28:29):
a peerless salesman. I gotta say, I love that nano, dude.
I love that nano excess over.That's one thing that we did keep is
the site cut. So if Iput my my nano top end on an
apx E one, carry terrible,terrible decision. I could just set my

(01:28:51):
glock down next to me as Igo to sleep. But I've had this
nano FORO for too long. I'mnot giving. But you yes, it's
green, dude, It's got agreen frame. I've got my PX spores
because I love those. Yeah,I got to mess and this was years
ago, but I got to messwith Ernest's one of his PX fours.

(01:29:15):
It was a cool gun. Idon't know why I still haven't gotten one.
I've there are other things have takenprecedence, but it's on my list.
I'll buy one at some point.One reason you probably haven't bought one
is because you haven't seen anything fromBarretta saying you should buy one. But
I already had that good impression frommessing with Ernests. Well, yeah,
no, Ernest Langdon does great marketingfor Barretta, and that's already often on

(01:29:42):
guns that we don't market ourselves.Yeah, but I think we I think
we talked about the fact that manufacturersdon't sell directly to consumers, but they
can give them to people. Wellno, but here's what we do,
because hey, Tom's getting it ifYeah, but I'd rather have the A

(01:30:04):
four. Talked about this earlier thisweek. Yeah, that that he's finally
sending me an A three hundred patrolpractically is run out for this year,
and then some of the person,the person who actually files the assignment orders
is out until New Year's But no, for for marketing, no, we

(01:30:28):
do. We do very much marketdirect consumer because if we don't generate the
impetus for the end user to goto the dealer, then we all lose.
Yeah, like, yeah, yeah, we're selling the dealers, but
at the end of the day,turns are king. If they can't turn
the product, then they're not goingto reorder it from us. You know,

(01:30:54):
initial selling is great, but wecare about second, third, and
fourth turn throughout the year. Thatwas one thing that I always thought was
interesting with Burretta that you had somany lines that really just intersected with each
other and and and covered each other. Well, what I mean this is

(01:31:14):
this is not to make this aBaretta thing. But we've got that,
and then we've also got the blocksales glock. Yeah, Smith and Wesson.
Actually they cover a lot of territory. U SIG is one hundred percent
tactical right now, Remington, Mosburg. They're very focused. We we sell.

(01:31:34):
You know, some of our pistolswhere they're on rebate are in the
three hundred dollars range and you knowfour or five Easy or any of the
p X Force. I don't thinkthe PX very affordable. PX PX four
floats between I want to say,in the high fives up to like eight

(01:32:00):
to nine. When you're talking aboutlike the collaboration guns we do with LinkedIn,
it might just be democratic. Wealso have been watching the APX has
hit absurdly affordable you know price tagswhere I say, like if I didn't
have a gun, or if Ihad a gun I did one hundred percent
love already. I would have absolutelyhave bought these apx's, especially once you

(01:32:20):
guys put an optics cut on them. And yet I've never seen one in
person or met a person who ownedone. I know they must be selling
to somebody, but they're not us. Well, and that's that's all the
commercial markets up. And then you'vealso got the fact that we sell half
million dollars shotguns. Mm hmm,I mean I've been to that store.

(01:32:42):
Yeah, we sell handguns that costthirty thousand dollars. Jesus, I guess
that's that's the beauty of diversification,right, it makes everything. SIG has
taken that to the to the absoluteextreme. They have become the service provider,
which could I mean, you know, maybe ten years ago you'd look

(01:33:03):
at that and you'd be like,you don't have any business making weapon lights
and optics, But now maybe theydo. And also they are they are
two separate companies. If you takeit back ten years to win SIG was
just a small, you know,a shack operation in New Hampshire. Whatever.
You've been like, you guys shouldnot be making optics, You should
not be making weapon lights. Theywere rebranding stuff. But now that they've

(01:33:25):
got two different divisions, one thatmakes guns, one that makes electronic stuff
for them to become a service writer. Oh, they also have the third,
the ammunition division. Right right now, for a generation of people raised
on like Xbox three sixty and firstparty video games or whatever, the SIG
one percent service provider market probably makesa lot more sense because it really is

(01:33:50):
a lot easier to just be like, I'm gonna buy my SIG three sixty
five. Oh, look at thatthey have an optic and ant comes with
it, and a weapon like thatthey've held it was with it. Look
at that they've got ammunition branded forthis handgun, Like, man, that's
got to be that's an appeals It'skind of hard to match. And I
think they were probably they might havelike kind of ninjaed the market a little

(01:34:13):
bit, because when they first starteddoing that, people were like, that's
ridiculous, and then they just kindof committed to it, and it seems
like it's starting to make a lotmore sense. Ten years ago, I
don't think that would have worked.I think people people really thought like,
if you make shotguns, you makeshotguns, you don't make anything else.
You shouldn't even make shotgun AMMO foryour own shotguns. That's weird. I
want to buy my Remington shotgun andmy federal shotgun shells, and if Remington

(01:34:35):
makes shotgun shells, I'll be like, I don't know. Those guys are
like gun makers, not ami makers. Like a little weird. Well,
I got to be one of thepeople that got early and pseudo consult with
their new handhelds. I've impressed forthe price point, what it actually does.

(01:34:58):
I think they did a good job. They turn on when you drop
them. It's love, no,no, unlike the three twenty. I
wasn't talking about that at all.Okay, curious, but speaking of Bretta,
I would sure have to switch toStroude or something like that. So

(01:35:19):
there are two different switches it comeswith and I don't understand why. And
one has partial shrouding and the otheris just wide open. I don't have
any use for the wide open one. Not even is that the tailstand thing?
Again, this is like it's likeknife people, weapon like people,
flashlight people. I don't understand it, but like the idea of like if

(01:35:40):
you've got a crenelated base on yourtail cap, so you can click it
on and they're just like just unbrelllight, just like step on the table,
unbrowl light the room. Oh you'reI'm asking on YouTube the ARX is
not coming back. No. Ihad to tell a friend of mine.
He's going to be devastated. He'sgoing to break up with you for that.
By the way, we could onlysell him when we were selling him

(01:36:01):
at a loss at the end.So also, he already has one,
so he wasn't going to buy anotherone. But he's still going to be
sad you're discontinuing it. So yeah, one of the early elites there.
Yeah, number thirty. You've gotme be I just want you to know
that you should feel bad about it. It's the right decision. You should

(01:36:21):
still feel bad because he's going tobe so sad about it. He's got
a collectible. Now that's all soundedhe does. You've made him special,
but you've also made him very alone. Yeap, Matt, My elite is
not that early, but it wasshipped on the same pallet. Oh cool.

(01:36:45):
Yeah, so I got this andI got a Standard ninety two to
do kind of a side by side. Standard ninety two is a great gun.
You don't care what it says.Funny enough, Nolla, I might
have I might have run the laserre graver for that gun. Cool.
No, not, it was apain in the ass. Well, it's
cool that you might have done that. But yeah, I would not mind

(01:37:09):
getting my hands on the PX fourof the full size of Ernests. It's
just cool. Yeah, Ernest andI have been collaborating on some PX four
stuff for some time now. Yeah, he converted me early on. I
started a bred in August of sixteen. So January seventeen shot show, he

(01:37:34):
showed me his personal carry PX fourand I was, you know, ringing
steel at seventy five yards with thatthing. And I was like, okay,
cool, I have this in mylife. Rob HoTT is a police
chief, is he? I don'tknow if he's a chief. I don't
know he was a chief. Idon't think he is. He's can an

(01:37:55):
officer some spurt. I mean he'sthe senior officer. I know he's on
a martial fugitive task force. Imean it's a it's a small town.
Yeah, now that guy's a okaywhen he talks, Oh I listen,

(01:38:16):
no Rob if Rob imparts wisdom listen, write it down, memorize it.
Donut of Death, the what isit? Nine pellet, floater, flyer,
push pull, what else? Thereare a couple of things that just

(01:38:39):
wow, this is great info.Well. Rob also Rob runs pistols.
He he was on the Barretta Eliteshooting team back in the day. Yeah,
with this with Ernest Langdon he's supertight with Ken Hackathorne. I mean

(01:39:00):
some of the original like action pistolfolks. Rob was in there. You
want a good laugh, look upthe PX four shoot. I forget,
I forget the name of it.But it's like this twenty minute long PX
four video from when we launched thegun back in two thousand and four.
It is was it a video theyfilmed at for Armer? I think so.

(01:39:26):
It's very early two thousands looking video, and there's there's Rob there,
you know, big muscles, mustache, cool guy shades, running drills with
can call in the time, andI'm just like, where did this come
from? He's I've attended one ofhis classes, which was so much it

(01:39:47):
was just so much fun, greatclass. I learned a lot and then
as a matter of fact, thatit put faith it. It helped me
have faith in shotguns. But thenalso I had him on the podcas Us
a couple of times and what agreat great guest. Well, yeah,
Rob, Yeah he's got storm RobRobt folk. They were uh Matt.

(01:40:15):
Matt and Rob were two of thefirst folks that we called when we were
coming up with the eight three hundredpatrol. Yeah, literally late night at
one of the pm I was adesigner back then. One of the pms
was like, hey, you gottired to jump on a call and it
was literally just two hours of thisis what matters and shotguns and why short

(01:40:36):
stocking. Yeah, it's a gamechanger. It's hearing Rob story. Like
I we had a he lived close, he lived close bicycle get your sushi
owt again and he was telling astory. I just randomly asked him how
he got into canine training and orhow he got into being a canine cop,

(01:41:00):
and not to spoil the story,but he got the dog and just
decided to start training his dog.But yeah, that's because I ever do
a canine episode be worth having himon for that. I know that that's
been brought up before. It's justa matter of that's per the norm.

(01:41:20):
Hurting cats well, I think itmight be time. The two kids are
falling asleep. My cat wants togo outside, so better I better acquiesce
before he gets upset. So beforebefore we end this, let's get some

(01:41:44):
final plugs, some final thoughts beforewe go in that direction. Though,
I got to say my favorite line, and that is support those sources that
you have found to be beneficial.What I mean by that is, if
you like what these guys had tosay, pay attention to who they are,
what they represent, where they canbe found. If they say they
or not. They don't have aYouTube channel and their name is hop they're
lying. Algorithms aren't necessarily working inour favor even if you do. Even

(01:42:10):
if these guys may have a following, they could be doing better. I
know, primary and secondary could bedoing better with your likes, your shares,
your subscriptions. One of the thingsthat I've been saying recently, it
sounds kind of goofy, goofy,goofy. Let's say you find this great
source of information. Let's say youfind these great videos and you learn a

(01:42:31):
lot, or it changes your perspectiveof something about something in a positive manner,
and you keep it to yourself.That's kind of selfish personally for me.
If I find something cool, Ilove to share it. I especially
love to share stuff that is pertinentthat will help others. So if any
of these guys were to share avideo and I go, oh, that

(01:42:53):
actually answers a lot of questions,I'm going to share it. That's what
you, as the viewer or thelistener, can do, and you act
as the algorithm because the algorithm isn'thelping us. So pay attention to these
guys, are what they represent.Give them likes, subscriptions, shares,
especially share if you find content thathelps you. Now, one last thing.

(01:43:16):
On the website Primary secondary dot com, there is a menu to the
left hand side one of the oneof the headings on there is resources.
If you click on that. Ihave been consolidating a lot of primary and
secondary content by topic. There arehours and hours and hours of all kinds

(01:43:38):
of things. There's hours, lifetimes, a video on mindset, revolvers on
you name it. Not very mucha medical that's kind of we're kind of
lacking in that. But articles,videos, podcasts, We've got lots of
stuff. All this is free foryour use. So I'm going to stop

(01:43:58):
talking I'm going to let these guysis give their their plugs, their final
thoughts so they can go to bed. Brass facts. Hey, brass facts
here. No, I I gota YouTube channel. I don't know.

(01:44:20):
I think I've said more than myshare tonight, so no, perfectly when
it is yeah, very opinionated.No, nothing would back it up,
So I'll pass it on to someoneelse. You wanted to take it from
here, Do not follow me.I have more than enough fans of the

(01:44:42):
AK platform. I have plenty ofEuropeans who enjoy watching my content. I
don't need your likes, shares,subscriptions, just reverse psychology. Just back
off, dude, just back thefuck off. Okay, we're full,
all right, we don't need more. You people from California go away.

(01:45:02):
And that's a callback, exactly,that's one seventeen hours ago. I love
callbacks. I'm good at circling backto the original topic. Hey, remember
when that's run eight targets at theat the two minute PODCA, you know
they're too small? What don't worryabout it doesn't and then hop brought it
in too late because we need Inever finished my competitive talk. I don't

(01:45:26):
have a channel or website that youcan google or subscribe to, so you
might as well just not even bother. So, despite what you two think
you are coming back, Sorry,I can't do it. I'm out of
I'm out of more opinions. I'mout of OPI ran it ran in a
mountain two hours ago. Dude,a whole new meeting to all hopped up

(01:45:50):
on mountain dew. You have noidea. That's why we can't have me.
My cat's a fucking mad at me. He's been sleeping for the last
twenty six hours. It's fucking asshole. Well we've been talking for twenty six
hours, so exactly exactly. He'sgetting sick of hearing about baight targets.

(01:46:13):
He's like, let me outside please. And he's a cat too. He
doesn't even have the mental faculties thatare illustrious members of chat do ben.
Yeah, sure, I guess I'llactually do the good corporate thing for once.
We actually do have a bunch ofnew releases coming out for shot shows,

(01:46:34):
so keep an eye on our socialsand website. I think we've back
for We've announced the thirteen oh oneMod two already, as well as the
ninety two XI Squalow, which isbasically built for limited carry optics. More
on the way, a lot moreon the way. So yeah, keep

(01:46:58):
an eye out. I'll be stoppingby your range day. I hope to
see the APX carrier two. Yeahno, no, no, we won't
have that, no, but ohyeah, and I'll yeah, I'll be
at chot show for so for anyonewatching YouTube while the chat, Yeah,

(01:47:19):
I'll be I'll be at the boothbasically all week, so not nowing at
me, dude. And then alsoso yeah, well we'll have cool patches
this year. So and then alsoa plug for Hasbro Pulse. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I have abunch of the six inch Ga Joe's just

(01:47:42):
over there on my window sill.Everybody, go to your local toys RS
if it still exists, And bya John Cena action figure if those still
exist. I'm not even totally sure. I was gonna say, see him
punk, but I'm pretty sure yougot fired by everybody. And he does
like one of the small promotions orsomething. I mean, he went to,

(01:48:02):
uh, this is who this isnot the topic. Actually he went
to aw But I'm pretty sure yougot fired from that ship too, didn't
he to be extra specific for myshilling. I'll actually shill for my segment,
so I'm specifically I'm in charge ofpro Shop and collaborations. Always check
out Langdon Tactical. They've got aspecial version of the squallow out, so

(01:48:24):
they've got a tuned version of thecompetition gun which will be super fun.
And then on top of that,I finally got in threaded barrels for the
pro shop for your ninety twos.Oh cool. We're running a sale on
that for the end of the year. So if you want to help me
make my budget for the year andyou need a threaded barrel for a full
size ninety two, there there andon sale, don't forget to use the

(01:48:47):
extra discount code that is site wide. Right now, what's the you're such
an asshole for no reason? Itshould be it should be and the banner
on the website. Okay, cool. See I'm jumping on Langdon right now
to say, okay, let's seethis tom Okay, So around dark Star

(01:49:13):
Gear check it out. We havelike a one hundred and thirty four subscriber
YouTube channel that I have ignored forprobably I think I've probably had the channel
for like twelve years. Someone's triedto help. No, I'm guidance.
I've got a long ass list.We have talked about. Probably it's time
for our annual Hey, I've setaside some time to do this, although

(01:49:38):
I actually filmed a bunch of videoslast year. But you know, Matt,
you and I have talked about reasonswhy they haven't made it out yet.
But going back on like the precisionof language and stuff like that,
there's ayah, day job as meganicengineer makes me excessively pedantic over how we
describe things and try to relay information. So try to get some stuff out

(01:50:01):
there. It's yeah, not gonnabe anything necessarily new, just just different,
but we need to get information outthere. You know. There's yeah,
there's just just not enough good stuff. And that was you know,
one of the things that that wasgetting that it was uh, you know,
trying to help me actually get someof the stuff out there in in
the P and S crowd. Butyeah, so hopefully we'll have I guess

(01:50:28):
some of the stuff edited and we'rekind of kind of waiting to you know,
start getting some scheduling going, gotsome more uh you know, more
new things here and there. Weshould have some Taurus j X four carry
g X four x L holsters comingout soon. I've got Cheetah stuff that
is hoping to be cutting my productionmold on that one. Actually, you

(01:50:51):
know, hopefully this week I wasable to do a really cool thing with
the Cheetah are Our Cheetah ad Xholster will fit all of your old Cheetahs
you'll have. You'll have a littlebit of slop just because that's there's only
so much you can do with withthe geometry of each gun that's given.

(01:51:13):
But it was worth it for meto be able to fit them. And
you know, I kind of hopethat most people who want to stop one
of the older ones in there,you know, it's it's gonna have a
little bit of wiggle, but onceyou're wearing it shouldn't be a problem.
But it's you know, with allthe different compatibility of all the parts,
it's kind of, you know,kind of cool to maybe get some use
out of the old thing in thenew in the new ulster. So my

(01:51:38):
thing you had me at g XPOcarry with or without a weapon, like
so we're both first off without I'lltake I'm not picky. I've wanted this
gun. Help me carry this gun. And if you and seriously, if
you haven't messed with Dark Star,you may after you using this, you'll

(01:52:00):
probably be converted. I've got aI've got a different thing I'm fidgeting with,
and the g X four carry istoo big to work on that.
But I have long ignored, uh, the Tailer seven because it was kind
of a yeah, I was Actuallywe're snobby about a lot of things.

(01:52:21):
Not to drag this out one ofthe things. You know, I can
talk about this later. If there'sa holster for the t X per carry,
I'll carry the GS for carry.I want to do it. Just
nobody makes a host for this guy. Anyway, we will have one,
not so much, but no,like the Dealer seven and the Jurist stuff,

(01:52:42):
you know, got hopefully got alot of things coming out really soon
for that, hopefully without light,with optic, without optic, I have
a box of teal our seven subsand TELR sevens to go and unvarious guns.
We're just kind of going through iterationsright now, uh, to see
things work out and whatnot. Butyou know that the bear gun will be

(01:53:03):
the first one, and we're actuallyprobably gonna make a like a fully featured
holster for it. So because it'sonce, I'm already on the rest of
the those guys. The fact ofthe matter is I want to carry my
JS for carry so well. Coolaspect of this also is there are genuine

(01:53:27):
friends between Taurus dark Star, DarkStar Dear can't talk primary and secondary others,
and it's really cool. I wouldn'tknow. I don't have any friends.
We can change that. Nework can'tafford to can't afford to have friends.
Of this industry, you have friendsand they may not be friends.

(01:53:53):
It's cool how companies work together.I'm not easing friends of my own asshole
cat Cat's wressles though. You thinkI'm going to be friends with you,
Come on, now, get realand now keep on code pans will get
you ten percent. Also, peniscode. It's the penis code. Yes,
that's actually I I hadn't necessarily beenwaiting for somebody to say that,

(01:54:15):
but it's taken until now for somebodyto actually say that. Really, you've
never heard I almost said it,like nobody's ever said it. Oh we
have never tons well, just notnever say it. Okay, Yeah,
I don't make that kind of joke, it's it's below me, So I
wouldn't it blow you? What beneathme? Oh your penis is beneath you?

(01:54:40):
Well, comically, of course itis, and we brought it back.
That's a good cup point right there. I mean there's you know,
center of mass. The center ofmass is the center of the human therefore,
yeah, of course it is.Yeah, if the B eight is
the is the human central nervous system. This is where if this was Brox
and my podcast, this is wherethe audio would start to just fade out

(01:55:02):
and you wouldn't even have to youjust started fading it out, would just
taper off to nothing and no onewould notice. Exactly about three hours ago,
exactly right, exactly. If Iwas editing this, I would have
cut off everything that I said.Personally, Well, big thanks to the
panel. Despite what they think,I think there really really was a callback

(01:55:26):
to our the old ways and itwas fun. It's fun to have passionate
discussion. You mean alcoholism, It'sfine, you can see that. Two
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Precision, Filster, Primary Arms Walter. Lastly, big thank you to the
Patreon subscribers to go to Patreon dotcom slash Primary and Secondary. You can

(01:55:49):
help support the network. What thatmeans is monthly for a dollar for five
dollars. Yeah, it goes upto infinity. Their benefits a lot of
dollars. It is. The discordis a lot of fun. Discord is
constantly moving. There's some fun knowledgeablepeople in there. That's like the base

(01:56:13):
benefit. And then from there fivedollars gets you you can watch these live.
You also get to watch these completelyunedited because I upload it as is
and give it to them to feastupon. The actual edited episodes, the
content from between the beginning and end. The official intros and outros stay intact,

(01:56:38):
but the content on either end ofthem gets gets chopped off. So,
as I said before, on theon the website Primary Secondary dot com,
there is a lot of stuff there. I've been consolidating information. So
if you want to learn more aboutballistics or revolvers or mindset stuff, I
have it all listed. So youcan find a lot of our videos and

(01:57:00):
I mean a lot hours and hours, and then same for articles. All
this stuff is for your use.It's awesome to be able to provide this
kind of stuff. It's been professionallyfor me, nice to be able to
provide this to professionals and enthusiasts andpeople that that might might not be part

(01:57:23):
of their professional life, but ithas the potential of positively influencing and affecting
them. So I think that's prettymuch it. I know I have multiple
episodes still on the horizon, butputting these together it is like earning cats.
So I still have a breaching episodeand explosives and other stuff. I

(01:57:45):
still have other episodes with the Brassand the hop So yeah, as a
matter of fact, I have onecoming up with Rob HoTT I don't know
exactly when, and a certain guyby the name of Kevin. We're going
to talk about Safaris. That's gonnabe kind of cool, Kevin B.

(01:58:11):
So that's all. I'm going tokill the feed and go to bed because
I am going to be up ina few hours. So yeah, they
shift, So we'll talk to youguys later. I just had an Amazon
package the size of my entire bodydelivered, and I don't know what I've

(01:58:32):
ordered you A real what are thosecall it? Real doll? A pork
pocket at pork pocket. That's right, we did it. We've come full
circle. What the hell are thosecalled? Though they are good at the
Maverick. It's some kind of apork thing, and I don't know if

(01:58:53):
we're allowed to talk about pork pockets. It's kind of like a pork and
panada with a buttery. Yeah.Now, I don't know what they're called
in Brazil has as like a pastyor what the fuck did you buy her?
What? And with what money?You don't make any money, you

(01:59:16):
don't have a job. Yeah,we're unamployed. So I don't know what
this is. I don't think wecan end this until we know what it
is. I ordered some Pokemon cardsfor my niece and nephew, and you
have to put it, put iton whatever it is. It's huge addressed
to me. I mean, there'sthere's a lot of people on the Internet

(01:59:38):
who have my address who would sendme ship. But this is addressed to
me and not call like some weirdpseudonyms. So it's probably something I ordered,
so it doesn't just say too hopright. That's us to be one
of those giant animate figuringes, isn'tit. You're about to see something that's

(02:00:00):
going to kill the primary and secondarychannel. Some big old anime titties again.
You guys had you guys had agood run, right like, you
don't mind if you get banned.Now, it's okay, I handled guns
and the fetus YouTube. Oh ship, it's a it's a box of air

(02:00:25):
Jordan's. Wow, they packaged thisreally well. It's a rifle case.
I forgot. That is some packaging. All right, Okay, that's what
I ordered. That's hilarious. That'sthe box. That's sufficient. Hey,

(02:00:56):
at least it didn't get lost.God bless you, Jeffrey Bezo the slurplerty.
What an amazing service you were onthere, mister Jeffrey, mister Bezos,
Jeff if I call you Jeff,I'm real. All right, that's
a that's a good cut point,it is. I think that's going to
be its own video. Blurry outof focus on boxing. Ah yeah,

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