June 30, 2025 • 58 mins
My friend Will Larson, Semper Paratus, passed on June 29, 2019. I had known him by reputation as one of the best AR15 armorers and armorer instructors alive at the time. We had many common friends and we began interacting online in low-information gun groups. We upset a lot of people by bringing factual information into the discussions. At times, they were fun tag team interactions that are still somewhere on Facebook.
I eventually attended one of his AR15 armorer courses and found it surpassed every other course on the subject that I had attended. He presented the information in a manner that was easy to follow and understand. I attended several of his courses and would have continued if he were alive today.
I found a few audio files on my phone that recorded some parts of his lectures. I have skimmed through them and found some interesting insights shared, but I haven't listened to the full recordings yet. These may start and stop abruptly, there might be a break, or it might start and end mid-thought. So, we are going to listen to this together for the first time since I sat in as a student to learn directly from the Great Will Larson.
-Matt
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I eventually attended one of his AR15 armorer courses and found it surpassed every other course on the subject that I had attended. He presented the information in a manner that was easy to follow and understand. I attended several of his courses and would have continued if he were alive today.
I found a few audio files on my phone that recorded some parts of his lectures. I have skimmed through them and found some interesting insights shared, but I haven't listened to the full recordings yet. These may start and stop abruptly, there might be a break, or it might start and end mid-thought. So, we are going to listen to this together for the first time since I sat in as a student to learn directly from the Great Will Larson.
-Matt
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm gonna go to go out on a limb and
say that one probably does too.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Uh bushy carbon Okay, that's what I thought it was.
You have a bushy uh carby kay. So in my
in my own defense, I don't, yeah, misagree with yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So so you have a commercial extension on there, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So it's something you need to know, uh, Lane, I
I'm trying to open up us here. So we got
JP those a B tech model. I think that's all complete,
a couple of six nine twenties. I've got a couple
of LT and mold receivers left, and then I got
really like the m R p uppers. I think like,
uh maybe the best eat upper kay.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And then over time I just free floord 'em all
out floor around.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So yeah, I'm kind of resty to see what's.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Going on now.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I mean, and I ain't even like go public couple
id Mays fopped out.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
And so do you have any commercial extensions you're wearing?
They're all okay, Jason saying I have an old Bushmaster
so commercial yeah, I like from the early nineties.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, and then okay, all right, so millspicker.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So yeah, at some point I probably just for me,
I would probably rench that thing off and make it
a standards.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
One some Hodge Sons of libertym and a frank and
nothing commercial.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So yeah, so you can see there's a little bit
of you know, again, a little bit of everything there.
And I'm big on keeping certain stuff standardized. And that's
one of the things too, is especially with the departments.
I tell him, you guys got to really watch out
because you you're getting these mix of guns in your inventories,
you know, and it's probably it wouldn't be a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To just standardize that stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Or if you're not gonna standardize, that's cool, but just
realize that you may have different stuff. And so you know,
if you got some dude who's got a Bushmaster and
he's out there on patrol, gets into a foot chase, drops,
you know whatever, cracks some dude in the skull and
he breaks the stock, you're gonna need a commercial stock
to replace it with. So all right, good deal. So
(02:13):
this does not even dent the stock market. Okay, stock market, Yeah,
the stock market. Okay, this is uh, I mean, this
is nothing, all right. There's so many and I guarantee you.
Next week there will be a new company coming out
with the latest and greatest Millsbeck butt stock, no doubt
(02:34):
about it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Stocks can range anywhere from you know, thirty dollars for
that M four military style butt stock in the corner there.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Uh to a one hundred and some odd plus. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Probably the most expensive one I can think of in
the m forgery category is the l MT SP mod.
They typically run about one nine. It's a lot for
polymer b B fives or half of that. They're essentially
the same thing in my book.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
For this lower, nice lower, but.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I didn't Yes, I've got about a couple of goat.
There's several guns. Actually, they're they're every bit as good
as the LMTS from what I can tell. In fact,
it's an interesting story because l m T years ago
to try to sue B five when they first started
making the soft mod stocks, because they're like, you can't
(03:36):
you can't say that, you can't say sot mod uh. Newsflash.
The stock is known as the Crane soft mod stock.
It was developed at Crane Naval Special Warfare. Nobody owns
the name Crane or Ellen or I say not Crane,
but sot Moto un fact can did and they did
the same reason Mark eighteen. Right, who who makes a
(03:58):
market team gold l and t uh Daniel defense. There's
a couple of they specifically call that gunn of marketing team.
Nobody owns the name Mark eighteen. It's actually made by
several different companies that was designed and developed at Crane.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Are you are you gone?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
For sure?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You are you gonna sneak back in? See how they Okay,
so nobody owns that name.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I could literally come out tomorrow and you know, partner
up with Lane over there. We could make the Chrits
or Larsen Marke eighteen and nobody could say a word
about it. Yeah, the stop mood market Yeah add that, Yeah,
I know it's gonna ring to it. Just add that
extra thing there. So yeah, So the marketing team was
actually developed at Crane at Naval Special Warfare at their request,
(04:55):
and it was a very specific parameters of very specific
request that they actually ask for that gun. And so
nobody owns the Marquee Moniker. So that's why I can
be used pretty much by anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The main old history of Crane is to do my
chance at any at all?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Uh, recent I asked, is there's a guy, old guy
at the gun range rather Wyoming names Terry Crane.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Uh? Thanks, his family is part of the Crane is
to be? Is that named after I?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I don't know, to be honest with you, I I've
never had any interaction with him any like personal level
out there, Crane, But I'm not sure this is something
that research though.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I'm gonna I'm gonna wanna check on that, you know
the question. So that's just the mag cole prs.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's pretty yes, And that's a different style stock that's
more of a rifle type stock. And and they only
come in one flavor, thank god. Rifle rifle tubes are
one dimension. Nobody's got to carried away with those yet
that I'm aware of. So they may have proprietary style too,
like on a ubr or whatever, but they're made one way.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So essentially there's no no, no stud uh stupid stuff
going on with that as far as that goes.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
All right, So we take all those components, we kind
of slap everything together, we come up with a lower
receiver assembly. Okay, and now now we're we're gonna move on.
Now we're gonna move into that upper receiver territory. And
just like with that lower forging, we have the upper forging. Okay,
(06:33):
and as you can see, certain things are already defined
for us. Where the brass deflector is gonna be, where
the ford assist is gonna be, uh, the front of
the receiver that's threaded for the barrel, barrel net. Okay,
all that stuff is defined here for us in the forging.
Once that forging gets to wherever, it gets spun up
(06:57):
and turned into the upper receive.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay. So this is your most basic stripped down upper receiver. Okay.
Upper receivers now come in two flavors. Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
We have the flat top style like this for the carving,
and we have a flat top style made for a rifle.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
This is one of the things where it's a little
hard for people to grasp this. You again, we have
to go back and look at the military. So M
four carving comes out right. Several years later comes the
M sixteen A four. Now it's just a flat top
rifle that mimics the flat top carving. Why well, because
(07:44):
we want to put into an optic on there, just
like the carving guys do. However, they are not identical
in construction. Inside the carving, the car being receiver has
something called M four F or feed cuts in there.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They are machined into the aluminum.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
The reason being. A car being uses what's called a
caring barrel extension, which is that threaded area that has
the extension and the chamber on there for your barrel. Okay,
if you're not sure what I'm talking about, I'll show you, man.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
This was all the talk on the internet fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
What does that have? A does feed ramps to have
feed rams relations to? All? Right? This piece here is
called a barrel extension. It is not part of the barrel. Okay,
the barrels.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Machine up to this point underneath here it is threaded.
This is then threaded on and torque at the factory
anywhere from one hundred and twenty to two hundred foot
pounds depending on what their respect is, whatever they call for.
So this is the barrel extension, and it comes in
two flavors. I'm gonna pass around two different ones. Okay,
(09:02):
everybody familiar with the donkey dicked from Bushmaster, the eleven
point five inch h bar barrel, you see it. There's
a reason why they call it that because if you've
ever seen a horse or donkey, you know we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Okay, this is about fifteen years old. This is before
the M.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Four barrel extension was a common thing. So you will
see this has a rifle barrel extension on here. This
is a carving barrel extension. Look at them from this
angle and you'll see what I'm talking about, and then
look at the actual feed ramps themselves and you'll see it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So, because the DDP is what they base everything off of,
how they do it is a rifle gets a rifle
flat top upper, and a carving gets a carving flat
top upper. All military upper in the very front right
(10:06):
here over the gas tube are actually marked M four.
That tells the idiot on the other end if he's
assembling or rebuilding a gun, if this thing gets out
of the package somehow or the label comes off, he
can look at it say okay, that's for carving.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So I know not to put this on a rifle
vice versa.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Okay, most companies in the commercial world don't even bother
putting that M four marking on there. It's required for
anything military or military contracted. Okay, so we have a
rifle flat top, we have a carbing flat top. One
(10:47):
of them has and ing feed ramps machined into.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Him, one of them does not. Yes, I have a cold.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, that is a twenty inch twenty four inch target
gun environment type gun. Yes, with a stainless barrel. Yes,
and it will have a rifle barrel extension and a
rifle flat top upper and not a correct because it's
a rifle and Colt builds it just like if they
were building a normal rifle, they would put a rifle
(11:20):
barrel extension on there. To throw everybody for a loop.
Some companies rob a company US. I'm pretty sure Sun's
deliverered here. When we make rifle barrels eighteen to twenty inch,
we put four barrel extensions on there. Why because most
(11:41):
uppers available in the world for US for manufacturing are
made to the carbing spector carbing flattops. So we specify
when the barrels be made the factory to go ahead,
just make that with an M four barrel extension on there.
Now we only have to worry about stocking one kind
of upper and there's no downside to it, and if
(12:04):
anything is probably an upside.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Okay, is there any differences as your life on that
feed ramp cut there is?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, this is the debated topic. By the way, I
have an art type seen difference. All right, So look
at it first like this, like hold them like this,
so you're looking at the round part, like holding them
up like this in front of you. Okay, look at
them and you'll see the bottom, see where the cuts are.
See how one's got a little dip dip in it
(12:34):
one doesn't. And then look at the feed ramps themselves.
See how they're cut off the other one actually comes
down to a rounded completion or you're not seeing it.
You'll see it better in the slide up on the
one thing when I pull it up. So there's actually
debate about the feed ramps whether it was necessary. Some
people said Cold did that simply to maintain their stranglehold
(12:56):
on the M four and all they developed it. Colt said, no,
the gun has a higher ciglip rate et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. It needs that to to enhance or uh
increase the reliability of feeding.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Okay. The bottom line is.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
That's the way it should be done, so not doing
it doesn't make sense. Okay, the rock river dremal effect
and everything. That's not the correct way. In fact, you're
actually doing damage to that upper because you are now
removing to analyzing, and that antidizing provides protection for that
(13:34):
aluminum because generally speaking, aluminum is kind of a soft metal, right,
so that anetizing kind of you know, protects that not
just from corrosion, but also providing a little bit of
hardness to their okay.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
For me, a little bit rock Okay, So I'll have
to see if I've got the picture.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Basically, instead of using the correct upper, what they do
is they put the upper into it.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know, they build a gun. They take a dremal.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You're familiar with the drunk, so they have a drummal
with like a pointed tip type deal, and they go
in there with like a.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Grinder and they grind feet ramps in the upper receiver.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
After the fact, yeah, I will actually pull the picture
up and post it so you guys can see what
it looks like from the one that was just in
my class in Austin. I'll pull it up and transfer
it to my thumb driver or something there, and I'll
put it in the the folder there so you guys
can see it. Oh yeah there, Oh you got it
(14:40):
right there? Yeah yeah, so there you go only crap.
Yeah yeah, they saw lots on them that when they
still own business. That Jerry one was Rock River Harns.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
So just out of curiosity, not that I ever use this,
But does the anida anadizing protect against uh graphite erosion?
Or is it does it have to be raw aluminum
in contact with graphite?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Tug.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's a good question. I don't know what exactly is
graphite erosion or oh the the graphite will erode uh
raw alumnu. So but what is graphite? Where is it
coming from? Uh? Uh uh? As a lubrikin some people?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, dry filled rol and Maryland rip for your pleasure.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Interesting, Yeah, I I honestly don't know. To be honest
with you, I really don't.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, let's know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Gonna need to dive into one of those metallurgical form
uh forums. I know that's part of the vision, But
the least what I've read as the girls why you
can't have dra Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Interestingly enough, I use on my stuff and we use
it at the shop toose.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We use a coffer based anti seas.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Lubricant for barrel necessarily you've never had, if you matter, fight,
I've got guns that are probably seven eight nine years
old where I've done that to the receiver extensions and
the barrels. I've never looked in there to see if
graph it's an element in there, So I don't know,
and I know, yeah, it's also you know, the military
(16:24):
generally uses molly b. In the commercial world, you'll see
some molly be not too much. And the other thing
is aeroshell, aeroshell M thirty three. You'll see that being
used quite a bit for that. But I'm not sure
about that graphite erosion thing, so I can't answer that.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
At some point, are you gonna go over like lightnings
and and solvents to use and what not to use
to remove plating?
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Not too much of that I generally don't use to
solve it since stuff like that, I mean guns, Yeah,
I won't say I don't clean them, but my cleaning
is a lot different than other people's version of cleaning.
You know, it took me a long time actually to
get away from that military mindset because that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm like, these guys wouldn't mind it me.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
They didn't if I had to be the regrease stage,
why did they like me in my webs? And then
I found out, wait a second, not actually, someone has
been lying to me. You know about cleanliness, you know
about a lot of things, and I learned that over
the year. I'm like, wow, wait, this gun will actually gee,
I'm going two thousand rounds here and all I've done
is to wipe it down and reloove and a gun
still runs. That's crazy. But yeah, so I don't really
(17:43):
Uh it's funny. At Black Artery used to use solve
them tanks and stuff, and it was a very complicated.
I mean, it was a drawn out process and you
couldn't mix different bolts, you know, you had to be
real careful about it because you couldn't mix up all
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I'm like, this is a goat fucking that's just a
guys clean your guns. Someone, let's just supervise and do whatever.
And you know, it's just it was a very time
consuming process.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And then I kind of I finally learned several years ago,
this doesn't make sense, you know, and I just literally
walked away from it all and said, lubricate, wipe down,
check relove, shoot and it seems to work good, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But it's not gonna work for everybody.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So just like you know, some people have to have
safety warnings like warning, do not quote a trigger while looking.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
At barrel and shit like that. I get that. So
all right, So upper receiver we.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Boom at a Ford assist mechanism, ejection port cover assembly
to it.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
We now have a completed upper receiver assembly.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
If you're not very well versed in this stuff, it
behooves you to understand the difference between an assembly and
a receiver and an open receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And I'll tell you why I I I had a
very great time during.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The panic, especially the the Obama gun panic of twenty thirteen,
because I was actually home when it happened. The first one,
I was only home on R and R, so I
didn't get to enjoy it as much. But the second
one was phenomenal because guys are paying eighty ninety one
hundred hundred and twenty dollars for stripped uppers and then
(19:26):
they're like, wait a second, what do you mean I
still need another thirty ish dollars worth of parts to
finish this. So they're now into an upper receiver, you know,
for one hundred and fifty sixty bucks. Same with bolt
carrier groups. I can't tell you how many guys I
got ripped off on gun Broker. Why because I bought
a bolt carrier for one hundred and fifty dollars and
(19:47):
they literally got a bolt carrier, no bowl, no fire.
I'm like, bro, didn't lie to you. He sold you
what that is. That's called a bolt carrier. No, no, no,
but I needed that bolt the other shit. Look, that's
called a bulk carrier group. Yeah, okay, sorry, you didn't
understand the terminology, you know. And so I saw both
(20:08):
carry groups sell. The highest one I ever saw was
five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It was a BCM on eBay.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Someone actually paid five hundred bucks for That was desperation,
obviously it was that bought it. But yeah, it was
actually funny because he had to he had to stop
the upper, like the the upgrade, because there was a
point where you could buy an upper and upgrade to
the BCG for one hundred and forty nine dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He had to stop that. He had to turn it
all off.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Because dudes were buying them, pulling him out of the
uppers when they got him, and then auctioning them on
eBay gun broken and they were selling for two, three,
four or five hundred dollars and he had to shut
it down and he said, hey, okay, you want to
you want to buy this, I'm gonna let you. But uh,
I think he did something where basically fifty dollars out
of every purchase, like I think he raised the price
(20:59):
or something, and then fifty dollars at every purchase went
to the NRA or something. So he's like, all right,
if you guys are gonna play a game, at least
the NRA is gonna get some money and stuff, you know,
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But yeah, it was. It was crazy. It was.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It was amazing at the stuff that I saw happen there.
And I was like, man, oh man, you know how
nuts is this?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
All right? Kill this?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So here is a correct M four upper with feed ramps,
and I've got them circles so you can see exactly
(21:44):
what I'm talking about. Everybody see that. Okay, So that
is correct M for upper. The M four feed ramps
are machined into that upper receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And they made up with that barrel extension and that
completes the feed profile. Okay, if you don't know what
you're doing, you can create problems. Like the guy in
one of the agencies in Arizona who thought he wanted
(22:17):
to help out his swat buddies, so he took all
their twenty inch rifles, bought flat top uppers for him,
and converted them with flatop so they could put optics
and shit on there. What he ended up with was
the lower left corner the bad. Does everybody see why
that's bad? Is there anybody who doesn't understand why that's bad?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay? Is there anybody who does not understand why bottom
left is bad? Okay?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So basically, you now have a lip that has been
created between the upper receiver and the barrel extensions up
the barrel extension being that shiny silver, the black being
the upper receiver where they meet up. Oh, you now
have a lip created there. What happens is either the
bullet itself or the neck of the casing will hang
(23:14):
up on there and it will impede feeding. And that's
exactly what happened. When he redid all theirs. The guns
basically became clubs, and they basically said, hey, bro, you
need to unbuild that shit put it right back the
way it was because the guns literally would not work. Okay,
(23:34):
So up top is correct. That is a rifle extension,
rifle receiver. There are no feed cuts in there. If
you're not sure what I'm saying, walk up to the
thing and look at There is a distinct difference. The
one on the top right has the feed rams machined
into the upper Okay. The one on the left does not.
(24:01):
The barrel extension comes down and completes the turn, so
to speak. Okay, is there anybody who doesn't get this? No,
either might get it.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Do you get it? I will? Well I walk up
let's walk up here. Yeah, i'm'a show. You get a
picture of it.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, no, wonder I don't get it. Somebody get a
butt tel fee of me.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Kay.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So right here, see how this comes down just like that. Yeah,
it comes down to a completion.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Okay, you see this one. It comes down, it.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Stops in the feed profiles only completed once it meets
this the receiver's step there. Yeah, well this is machine.
This is an angle machine at the upper here, it's
the same thing. Hey, I'm for upper, but with a
rifle now you see this.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Now you have this lag and his lip that William
Pede feeding all right, okay, and then you have this Okay,
this is typical of bush matter for a lot of guns.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
For years, this was typical for them. All five hundred
the guns we had overseas were like this. There was
generally a non issue on semi auto.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Once you went to auto there would be occasional stop
feed stoppages because of it. Okay, if you're using crappy
match becomes even more of a problem, especially the ones
without the more recent anti till followers.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, gotta add to my list of good questions.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
We're talking about a weapon system that's fifty sixty years old.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And people are managing to develop new and more fandastic
problems for it. Shouldn't that be going in the other direction?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Sure? And that's you know, you want to know what
the real part about is this is gonna kill you.
You want to know what the price difference.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Is between this and this. Like as far as the
receiver itself, zero zero nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Literally, it's an extra machining step that you program into
the CNC machine feed rams boom easy. There is for
an O E M there is literally zero cost difference.
This is stupid, right. It all comes down to do
you care about what you're making or do you not care?
(26:44):
And if you don't, hey, why change If all you
assholes are buying it, I'm not changing it? Why should
I You keep buying them when you stop? Everybody who's
the older guys here?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Remember the U go? How many you go? Did you
see any more on the road? Okay? Because they didn't
make it right, it did insury.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
People didn't buy them, so they all right, So we
don't have those for a reason because people didn't buy them.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They were garbage.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But people keep buying this crap, and then people keep
making excuses for this crap, and it keeps coming up,
and it keeps getting bought because people don't know what's
correct and what isn't correct. It's just like the guns
downstairs that we looked at. Your average dude doesn't know
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what the fuck M four feed rams are. He doesn't
know what a properly stayed cast that endplate is. He
doesn't know the difference between YFS screws and mill spect
grade eight fasteners.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
He doesn't know what an h buffer is or why
it's supposed to be the minimum. He doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Any of that stuff. All he knows is that is
a black rifle. It shoots a five to five six.
It goes bang bang bang, bang bang. It uses third
round bags, fifty round bag drums, this and that.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
How much is it? I want it? There's one right
down there right now for five forty nine. I think
it's a support or too. There was one for two
hundred and something and I think that was the twenty
two rifle looked at with the counted rail.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, so again, you know, here's the thing, and this
is gonna be very politically incorrect.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay. When Mikyle kolished the cough, everybody knows who that is.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
When Mikyle Kakov was laying in his hospital bed thinking
of ways to rip off the Nazis, and he designed
the eighteen forty seven.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Mikyle didn't develop it with the intention for people to.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Take Instagram pictures and Facebook photos and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay. He designed it for.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
One purpose, and one purpose only, to arm his countrymen
so that they could go throughout the world and exterminating
capitalism and foment rebellion and basically create a communist dictated
You know dominated world. When Eugene Stoner and those guys
developed the ar TI, their goal was to make a
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military weapon that ultimately would be put into the hands
of American military personnel to do exactly what the Russians.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Are doing in reverse.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
We were going to go down to these places in
South America, Central America, Africa, Asia, and we were going
to put down the communist domination. Ultimately, these guns were
designed to do what kill people. As soon as you
lose sight of that, and you're more worried about your
lipstick and your purse and your heels matching, and you're
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urried worried about my shade of FDE doesn't equal this
shade of FDE, and I need to go buy a
new paint for this because this doesn't match. And this
selector lever's got some high breed aluminum analyzing and it
clashes with my black aluminum lower And I'm going to
put this on there because it looks cool. When all
that kind of stuff takes precedence over the fact that, hey,
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your gun's actually a piece of shit, and all that
cool stuff you put on there won't actually work fast
when things have gone wrong. And that's exactly what has happened.
People don't take the gun seriously anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
People do not take it for what it is, and
that is a.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Gun either in a offensive mode as in military, or
a defensive mode for basically law enforcement and civilians. Okay,
and we've lost sight of that. The only thing that's
important now is, you know, I have this cool thing.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I've got. This cool thing. Doesn't matter that the gun
maybe doesn't run properly. It looks cool.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And that's why that's why we've gotten to this point.
If people would actually educate themsel. You know, the average
person spends more time investigating the purchase of the latest
sixty five.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Inch LG four K TV with HDMI and all that.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
They spend more time looking at the benefits of the
iPhone ten and everything else than they actually do in
the purchase of a firearm. Okay, when we hire guys
to work at gun stores, we don't put advertisements out
for the smartest dudes in the world that know about guns.
Most of these guys get paid minimum wage to go
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in there and sell a product. Okay, if we cared
about that kind of stuff, people would try to hire
more knowledge with people.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
But with that comes you got to pay them something.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
If you pay a dude seven fifty, you're gonna get
seven to fifty worth of advice and you're not going
to move.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
In your low end shit because they care. Well. Yeah,
and that's exactly it.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And the dealers love the low end stuff because they
make more money off of those than they do off the.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Higher end product.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And that's the reality. So we'll never get away from that.
That's just the way it's gonna be. So, and I've
accepted that. I know I'm not gonna change people's minds.
I know I cannot force people to do anything. So
all I can do is try to educate people and
make them understand, Hey, this is you know, ultimately, like
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I say, is your life. I'll give a shit man.
If you want to carry that thing and it doesn't work,
knock yourself out. If I ever get in a situation,
I can tell you one thing, I might get killed.
The damnswer ain't gonna because my gun didn't work. There's
gonna be lots of other factors involved there, and failures.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Of my gun ain't gonna be one of them, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And unfortunately we've lost sight of that, and why we're
why do we even have these guns and begin with
it again, I'm not saying I'm not trying to say that,
you know, in the way you know, I'm not trying
to paint these guns is the evil thing.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
But I just we got to bring this thing back
to reality.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
When this gun was developed, just like when other guns
were developed, it was designed to armed dudes. And we're
gonna send a shitty places to do shitty stuff that
nobody else wants to do. It's the same reason why
we put cops on the street to go do shitty stuff,
because other people can't police themselves up. So we have
to have people to do it for us, and we
put them out there and we expect them to do
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certain things. And part of that is, hey, you got
to have a good rifle that works, you know. And
when you get the bean counters and administrators involved and
stuff like that, they don't understand the difference between why
that black gun and that black gun are different. Why
is this one eight fifty and that one's seven hundred
does not compute? They look the same to me, and
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it are probably right on the surface, it does. It's
when we start getting into the finer details, which none
of them either know about nor do they care about.
Because if I'm in charge of a department and I've
got to purchase one hundred and fifty rifles and there's
one hundred and fifty dollars price difference, it's kind of
a no brainer. I know. I'm right much to as
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the bean counter, you know. So that's that's why we
are where we are. Okay, this stuff should not happen.
There shouldn't even be a picture like this. It shouldn't
have to be a picture like this if you're not
competent enough to do the most simple stuff like understand this,
why the hell are you making guns?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Is this why nineteen eleven's worked? Just spying in the
Philippines and now seven hundred dollars nineteen eleven?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Yeay, or may not work.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I don't know. I'm not much of a nineteen eleven guy,
but yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
But my understanding, we still had nineteen elevens when I
was in the army. They seem to work. It was
when we started kind of tinkering with it that they
seem to not work. So yeah, I think you might
be onto something there that could well be right. And
strangely enough, the gun that costs one thousand dollars more,
and that nineteen eleven market doesn't seem don't work any
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better than the other ones in some cases where you
really have to go off the deep end and do
some really crazy stuff to make them gouber reliable. Right.
But yeah, so this kind of stuff, it shouldn't have
to be, you know, we shouldn't have to even have
these conversations. Unfortunately we do because people don't care about
the product. If they did, it wouldn't happen, you know.
(35:25):
But we're never gonna exterminate it. Unfortunately, it's gonna be
with us.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
So we just have to do this. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So they so what they do is they take this
right here and they basically dremal feed ramps like in
that picture and I'll I'll pull up that picture in
a big way and I'll show it and they basically
dremal the feed ramps in there.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
They're still doing it. I've still seen them fairly new
guns where they're doing it. Crazy thing is they could
easily fix that with zero to no effort. Part of
it is, too, is two different skews. Right now, you've
got two different products. You gotta worry about you've got
one here, one here, We've got to carry X amount,
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So instead we'll just we'll shortcut it. We'll just do
it this way, all right. Usually this comes up at
some point in time. What is that little marking on
my upper et cetera, et cetera. Don't worry about It's irrelevant,
thank you. It means nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay. The only time this is.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Even remotely important is if you're trying to pedigree something like, Hey,
someone says, that's a nineteen eighties era colt, i'll co
enforced upper blah blah blah. Okay, perfect, Now you can
look at the markings. That'll make sense. Someone's trying to
sell you something that they claim is FN. It should
matter of fact, who has an FN rifle on the
side of your receiver on your right side near the
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ejection port there and the FOD assists? Is there an
F stamped on there? See where your four assist there
is go up and you should have a forge marking?
Is there an F stamped in there somewhere that it
looks like is there a key?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Is there an F you get that jack dope in
your gun? There's got some sides in there. But do
you see an F stamped on there? It's a bushmash to.
There should be two markings.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
There should be a square or a circle or a
keyhole or something, and there should be an F.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Do you see a letter F.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
It doesn't look like that at all, like pyramid, Pyramid,
star Trek.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
That's where it is now.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
If it's from Star League, it must be give that. Okay,
that's a that's a Anchor Harvey. So if an anchor Harvey,
there's no F stamp so on a real Mills gun.
On a real f N gun, there's an F right
behind it, and that's stands for FN.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
That's how you know that's an FN. Guy. Oh, Colt
has a C. That's a Colt gun. Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
If you've got anything in the last twenty years roughly
or so, it will have a C stamped on there.
If it's older than that, probably won't have it, or
it may be marked in a different way. Stand by,
like this particular upper here that was in the shame box. Okay,
it's got a CM on there. Okay, CM is Colt,
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Martin Marriott. This is a very old gun. This is
from probably the eighties timeframe. Okay, so the CM stamped
right up here. We know I could vet this and say, yep,
that's a Colt Martin Mariatta upper.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Otherwise without it, it's a it's gonna be whatever the
hell you want different. I could sell it as a
secret squirrel upper.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Is that bottom one? Uh? This?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, that is fragle Rock. That is the cardinal of forging.
Looks like the cardinals hat kind of. Oh okay, okay,
they call it fraggle Rock.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
So does that many places the fortune? Oh yeah, there's
Oh okay.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Here you go saroh Colt uh alcoa col Alcola forging,
Uh Colt Canada, or I should say Sarah Canada. That's
a Demaco. So that's a Cold Canada gun. And then
down there where there's the anchor Harvey or the splinter egg.
Then you'll see the square which is uh brass ring
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Martin or whatever the hell it's called. Uh, you don't
see you know, you'll see those, do You won't see
too many of the M, the big fat M that's
Muller MI Muller Industries.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You won't see many of those out in the wild.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You'll see him in the military as a replacement stuff,
but you won't see him for sale generally.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
You mean a lot about people talking about the fortune
on the front cycles the F one or something, whether
it's true cold or not, or is.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
That for the height.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, you're talking about the F stamping for the front
site base. That tells you if it's an F marked
upper or I mean it's just say F marked front
site base.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yes, that's a well no, actually what it is now
there is I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
There are certain forged markings on there that's actually an
investment casting.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
If I'm not mistaken. The the old ones were forged.
I believe that the.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Newer stuff is an investment casting. I'm pretty sure about that.
But they'll have different codes. Someone won't have any. But
the main thing you need to look at on there
is the F stamp, the F which we'll go into
here in a couple of minutes. It is basically designed
for the use with flat top upper receivers.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Okay, so there you go.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Forge markings okay, irrelevant, basically mark that it came from
c I A Arms. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Forging companies.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, those are various forging manufacturers or companies. Yes, and
you won't see most of those anymore. You'll see you'll
generally see about five or six. That's the the B
A B A F E brass aluminum forging enterprise.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
That's the square.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
So you'll see the square. You'll see the splinter A
which is anchor Harvey. You'll see the the keyhole which
is sero forge. You'll potentially see the cardinal, which is
the fraggle rock looking thing.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
And you'll maybe see the circle I believe now I'm
trying to remember who that is now. Just a round circle.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And that's pretty much, yeah, I mean, that's pretty much
what you'll see in this common day and age.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
All right, So barrels.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
We're gonna talk a little bit about barrels here and
I'll give you guys a five minute brag here.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
So up here we have what someone tell me what
we're looking at. How do you know that the cut
out because of this, right?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
The M two oh three grenade launchers step down for
the locking bracket. Okay, that's a dead giveaway. If you
don't have an M two oh three. The next question
you should ask yourself is why do I have this?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Okay? Or why do they still make them?
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, basically there's no reason to have it, Yes, because
those are made in the same place and that's why.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So that's exactly why they do it, all Right. The barrel.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Is probably the most important part of your gun, right
next to the VCG. Literally, those two components are the
heart of the gun. I mean literally, we are talking
to heart, just like a human. We start with the
those two components, right. The barrel could be the heart,
the BCG could be the lungs, everything else around it,
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the shell. Okay, that means the upper, the lower, the
rail or lack of rail, handguards.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
All that bullshit that we throw on there. Okay, that's
all stuff. That's nice, and you know, rails are cool
and all that, but the reality is, do we really
need that stuff? Now?
Speaker 1 (43:26):
A solid built gun with you know, a set of
good solid handguards and everything has been killing people since
nineteen sixty three. Okay, it's done a pretty good job,
not saying having rails and all that isn't cool, but
definitely it's not a necessity. But again, situation or job
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dictates too, because some guns aren't easy to do, like
put lights on and things like that. Okay, so that's
where things like the rails and stuff come into their own.
They allow you to put stuff on there that you know,
if you need them for your job description. It's a
hard thing to do without a rail system, you know,
putting your PEC fifteen.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Mall whatever on the gun. Okay, so the barrel is
the big thing here. Now. Sad thing about this is
people cut. This is the first place they start cutting corners.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
And I'm talking about the consumer dude who's building the
Franken gun. This is the first thing he does. Oh man,
I just got this score on Joe Bob's Outfitters. They're
selling a badass sixteen inch two two three wild steamless
barrel for ninety nine ninety five.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I'm here to tell you something OEM costs. I'm talking
to me.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
If I'm the owner of Sonics and I go to
my barrel guy, say I want you to make me
two hundred sixteen inch stainless one in eight twist two
two three wild barrels. I'm paying at least seventy five
dollars for the barrel. That's before HPMPI testing, that's before
shipping anything. If you're buying that thing for ninety nine
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ninety five, you need to ask yourself.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Why.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Okay, I can tell you why. There's probably something wrong
with it. Okay.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
CIA barrels one of the big things right now, and
I keep trying to tell people stay away from CIA barrels.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
What is a CIA barrel? Anybody know?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
No one knows where it can come exactly plausible deniability barrels.
You cannot identify. I cannot tell you who made this.
This actually came from a son's liberty class. Guy came
in to the class with a gun that wouldn't work,
He says, Dude, we've gone through this, you know everything.
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We figured out it was the barrel. A couple of
issues here. Everybody see this.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Right here? Yeah, go ahead, run your finger across it,
just carefully. Eh. Yeah. Anybody want to take your guess?
Will cause that guess block? Yep, bearl wasn't temples.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Gas blocks started shifting around movie, and those are the
set screw that all passes around. Those are the set screws.
Start digging into the barrel. Okay, it also happened up
here as the gas block rotated. One thing about this
barrel two two three, wild one in eight USA. I
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don't know who made it, that's it. He doesn't know
who made it either, because guess what I bought it online?
Down here, we got a number O three one seven five.
For all I know, that's March seventeenth, twenty fifteen. It's
anybody's guess what it really means. For all I know,
that could be the code that breaks the Bible or something.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I don't know. The gas block put it with set
screws or something place.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
So load profile gas blocks are generally installed with a
set screws and a dimple in the barrel. Some companies
pin them, very few pin them. Most are done with
set screws and dimpling. Okay, when it's not done correctly,
the gas block will move around. That's what happened there.
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We cannot identify the barrel short of me going online
and surfing the web for every kind of Arear fifteen
barrel made and hopefully identify those markings.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I can't tell you anything about it. Okay. If I
pick up here's another one, it's another one just.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Came into the Tucson shop. Another gun wouldn't work, right, Okay.
This is a fourteen to five pinned muzzle device of
some sort that I've never seen in my life with
a non compliant pin he had the FSB cut down
as a low profile. Nothing wrong with this is actually
a solid way of doing it if you want a
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really solid gas block.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
But I can't tell you who made it. In fact,
the only.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Markings on here are five point five six, NATO one
DASH nine, no other code, no other anything.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
So no clue as to who actually makes this. So
who do I go after?
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Can't go after anybody because I don't know. Okay, Now Bushmaster.
Bushmaster is nice enough for years they've actually marked their barrels,
so we know something. We know a it's got a
BMP on there. It's not a Russian armored fighting vehicle.
It stands for Bushmaster Metallic and Pressure Tested.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
We know that.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Now that is a lie because we know Bushmaster only
atch tests their stuff. So you make a thousand tests,
one hundred everyone passes. If one hundred pass, okay, or
whatever their batches, whatever they deem their batch to be.
So what if you don't know why that came about
or how that came about. It came about when during
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the day when they were competing against Colt head to
head in the car being market. Because cold barrels were
marked almost identically they say c MP and then five
five six NATO one slash seven. So that was a
marketing thing. Look, we're just like cold says right here.
So then we know the profile.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
H FI.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
We know it's allegedly a five five six NATO because
it says that, and it tells us to twist right
of one in nine. We won't even get into the
fact of why would you make an eleven point five
inch barrel with a one in nine twist?
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Okay, we won't go there the rest of it.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
As we can see, at least we can identify this,
okay if we have a problem. If we had a problem,
we could at least go back and say, hey, this
is your shit. Look it's your signature is all over there.
There's no there's only one reason why you wouldn't want your.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Name on there. And why is that because it's a
piece of shit. When there's a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's not our barrel. You can't You don't know where
that came from. This was not a bad barrel, is
just it was given to me by Paul. It was
just used for a demo stuff. This is a sixteen
inch midleing so FN made barrel. It would have been
stamped HP, HP, BMH or something like BFH or whatever
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one's last seven five five six NATO. So again, I
know it's high pressure tested. I know it's a BCM barrel.
I know the twist rate, and I know the chamber. Okay,
if barrels don't have markings on there, you need to
be concerned. Okay, that's the reality. I see, Oh, where's
my cream of the crop barrel?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Someone was looking at it earlier. Here you go, everybody
see this. You know what this is for. You know
why this is like this. It's not supposed to Well, no,
so you can go from a rifle barrel extension to
a carbon barrel extension.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
You can just change them out. No, you're right, it's
not supposed to do this. This was an improperly made barrel.
Generally speaking, a properly made barrel. You do not want
the barrel extension of the barrel melanited in one time
in the process. The reason for that is during that
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melanite process, it heats it, it cools, and you heat
it again and it cools. Steel expands and contracts, right,
any metal is gonna expand a contract. When it happened
when it happens on here, the barrel extension actually loosened.
The guy was going to either install or remove the flashhider,
and when he did, he had this thing locked into
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a reaction rod, and I belink it popped loose and
broke loose.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
You cannot fix this. It's not user serviceable.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
When this happens, you basically need to find a manufacturer
to send it to and hope that they can realign
and reset it. Okay, this barrel was made by hardened arms. Okay,
ten point five inch hardened arms.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Barrel. Guy paid one hundred and forty dollars with it
for it with the gas block. That's a bargain, right,
one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Forty bucks with a low profile gas block. Well, now
it's worthless. That's why it's in the shade box. The
new barrel he bought with gas block was well over
two hundred dollars. Now, if we add two hundred, let's
call it two twenty. We add two twenty and together
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we'd come up with three hundred and sixty dollars. You
could buy a top of the line barrel for three
hundred and sixty bucks. Not, you know, not what he
ended up being, he ended up with a baseline bear.
Matter of fact, I think you can get a stript
cult marketing teen barrel of a barrel nut for about
two ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Okay, So he.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Would actually been ahead of the game if he'd have
done that, because this is now worthless.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
In addition to that, it was way over gashed zero
eighty six. Okay.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
The only thing I know about this barrel is the
information stamped on here five five six NATO one slash seven.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
With a V whatever that means. I have no idea.
The only reason I know it's a hardy arts because
this guy actually knew where he bought it from. Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Without that information I couldn't have identified that barrel without
him telling me be virtually impossible.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Okay, so the barrel is a big deal. Okay.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
If you buy one hundred dollars barrel, expect one hundred
dollars results.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
That's the reality. Okay. You really need to look at
the specs. Go to the website and find what are
they selling me.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
You know one thing you will find even if they
list if they tell you it's forty one to fifty
chrome mollivanadium or CMV forty one fifty. However they word it.
Even if they give you the twist rate, they'll tell
you the chamber. The one thing you're not gonna be told.
They're not gonna give you is the gaspoort size. Very
few companies will actually put that out there in print.
(54:43):
They treat it like the proprietary information. Matter of fact,
one guy recently told me that he contacted somebody about
a barrel. He asked them to port size. The guy said,
buy the barrel, measure yourself. You can find out what
the port size is. Okay, why that, I don't know.
I guess they figure it's top secret. That might be
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some of it, And that actually is true. You'll find that.
You'll find that out because it's really interesting. Down to
the suns of Liberty shop. They have a big whiteboard
and they write on their stag dpm ass cold where
they write stuff down, and they actually measure the ports
when they come into the shop.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
You'll see some of them. They're like this.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
The port numbers are all over the place. They're never consistent.
You'll look at other ones and it's like this, because
across the board they're almost always the same.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
So, yeah, that's part of it. I guess the other
part is they think it's top secret.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
You know, they don't want to reveal their secret sauce
or whatever, which is stupid because I could just go
buy a couple of barrels, especially if I'm the competitor,
and just buy a couple of barrels.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Say hey, gee, those those kinds see the work. I
wonder what they're doing. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Let me start off with, let me go check out
their barrel. Let me go order and ship a couple
of those to my shop and measure them out. Real
simple stuff, Okay, easy to do. That's how I get
most of my information. I actually pull guns apart and
I actually measure them to find out, Oh look, it's
exactly what I thought it was, or it's real close
to what I thought it was, or whatever the case is.
(56:24):
So again, barrel's big part of the old. Now, if
you're look at this barrel, what's missing.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
My stuff? Right? What goes right in this area? Gas block,
gas block or.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
FSB, right, depending if we're going rail lowcro or regular
type handguards or whatever in an FSB, So, depending on
which we go.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
So I call this barrel the gender neutral barrel.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Okay, because it doesn't know if it's gonna be male
or female yet it's gonna it's gonna eight for someone
to make it male with an FSB or female with
a load pro block. Okay, So, knowing that here's something
we need to know what usually comes after this on
an FSB barrel.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Should have your call it the handguard and shoo.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
A handguard cap maybe okay, handguard cap. And after the
handguard cap comes, you should have said, yeah, that's not okay,
all the way just right past the handguard cap. What's next?
How about an FSB handguard cap FSB right, f s
(57:45):
B got that way, yeah, yeah, towards yeah, so handguard
cap right, and the FSB if we're putting a load
pro block on there, simply a load pro gaspot or
gas block.
Speaker 5 (57:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
So, knowing that here's something, we also need to know,
there's a there's something on this barrel that needs to
be constant, and that constant is placement of the gas
port in relation to the mounting journal and the shoulder there.
(58:21):
And there's your like your magical number zero point two
nine five, yes, roughly the center.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Now I'm gonna tell you
I'm gonna go to go out on a limb and
say that one probably does too.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Uh bushy carbon Okay, that's what I thought it was.
You have a bushy uh carby kay. So in my
in my own defense, I don't, yeah, misagree with yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So so you have a commercial extension on there, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So it's something you need to know, uh, Lane, I
I'm trying to open up us here. So we got
JP those a B tech model. I think that's all complete,
a couple of six nine twenties. I've got a couple
of LT and mold receivers left, and then I got
really like the m R p uppers. I think like,
uh maybe the best eat upper kay.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And then over time I just free floord 'em all
out floor around.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So yeah, I'm kind of resty to see what's.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Going on now.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I mean, and I ain't even like go public couple
id Mays fopped out.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
And so do you have any commercial extensions you're wearing?
They're all okay, Jason saying I have an old Bushmaster
so commercial yeah, I like from the early nineties.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, and then okay, all right, so millspicker.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So yeah, at some point I probably just for me,
I would probably rench that thing off and make it
a standards.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
One some Hodge Sons of libertym and a frank and
nothing commercial.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So yeah, so you can see there's a little bit
of you know, again, a little bit of everything there.
And I'm big on keeping certain stuff standardized. And that's
one of the things too, is especially with the departments.
I tell him, you guys got to really watch out
because you you're getting these mix of guns in your inventories,
you know, and it's probably it wouldn't be a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To just standardize that stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Or if you're not gonna standardize, that's cool, but just
realize that you may have different stuff. And so you know,
if you got some dude who's got a Bushmaster and
he's out there on patrol, gets into a foot chase, drops,
you know whatever, cracks some dude in the skull and
he breaks the stock, you're gonna need a commercial stock
to replace it with. So all right, good deal. So
(02:13):
this does not even dent the stock market. Okay, stock market, Yeah,
the stock market. Okay, this is uh, I mean, this
is nothing, all right. There's so many and I guarantee you.
Next week there will be a new company coming out
with the latest and greatest Millsbeck butt stock, no doubt
(02:34):
about it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Stocks can range anywhere from you know, thirty dollars for
that M four military style butt stock in the corner there.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Uh to a one hundred and some odd plus. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Probably the most expensive one I can think of in
the m forgery category is the l MT SP mod.
They typically run about one nine. It's a lot for
polymer b B fives or half of that. They're essentially
the same thing in my book.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
For this lower, nice lower, but.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I didn't Yes, I've got about a couple of goat.
There's several guns. Actually, they're they're every bit as good
as the LMTS from what I can tell. In fact,
it's an interesting story because l m T years ago
to try to sue B five when they first started
making the soft mod stocks, because they're like, you can't
(03:36):
you can't say that, you can't say sot mod uh. Newsflash.
The stock is known as the Crane soft mod stock.
It was developed at Crane Naval Special Warfare. Nobody owns
the name Crane or Ellen or I say not Crane,
but sot Moto un fact can did and they did
the same reason Mark eighteen. Right, who who makes a
(03:58):
market team gold l and t uh Daniel defense. There's
a couple of they specifically call that gunn of marketing team.
Nobody owns the name Mark eighteen. It's actually made by
several different companies that was designed and developed at Crane.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Are you are you gone?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
For sure?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
You are you gonna sneak back in? See how they Okay,
so nobody owns that name.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I could literally come out tomorrow and you know, partner
up with Lane over there. We could make the Chrits
or Larsen Marke eighteen and nobody could say a word
about it. Yeah, the stop mood market Yeah add that, Yeah,
I know it's gonna ring to it. Just add that
extra thing there. So yeah, So the marketing team was
actually developed at Crane at Naval Special Warfare at their request,
(04:55):
and it was a very specific parameters of very specific
request that they actually ask for that gun. And so
nobody owns the Marquee Moniker. So that's why I can
be used pretty much by anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The main old history of Crane is to do my
chance at any at all?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Uh, recent I asked, is there's a guy, old guy
at the gun range rather Wyoming names Terry Crane.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Uh? Thanks, his family is part of the Crane is
to be? Is that named after I?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I don't know, to be honest with you, I I've
never had any interaction with him any like personal level
out there, Crane, But I'm not sure this is something
that research though.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I'm gonna I'm gonna wanna check on that, you know
the question. So that's just the mag cole prs.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's pretty yes, And that's a different style stock that's
more of a rifle type stock. And and they only
come in one flavor, thank god. Rifle rifle tubes are
one dimension. Nobody's got to carried away with those yet
that I'm aware of. So they may have proprietary style too,
like on a ubr or whatever, but they're made one way.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So essentially there's no no, no stud uh stupid stuff
going on with that as far as that goes.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
All right, So we take all those components, we kind
of slap everything together, we come up with a lower
receiver assembly. Okay, and now now we're we're gonna move on.
Now we're gonna move into that upper receiver territory. And
just like with that lower forging, we have the upper forging. Okay,
(06:33):
and as you can see, certain things are already defined
for us. Where the brass deflector is gonna be, where
the ford assist is gonna be, uh, the front of
the receiver that's threaded for the barrel, barrel net. Okay,
all that stuff is defined here for us in the forging.
Once that forging gets to wherever, it gets spun up
(06:57):
and turned into the upper receive.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay. So this is your most basic stripped down upper receiver. Okay.
Upper receivers now come in two flavors. Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
We have the flat top style like this for the carving,
and we have a flat top style made for a rifle.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
This is one of the things where it's a little
hard for people to grasp this. You again, we have
to go back and look at the military. So M
four carving comes out right. Several years later comes the
M sixteen A four. Now it's just a flat top
rifle that mimics the flat top carving. Why well, because
(07:44):
we want to put into an optic on there, just
like the carving guys do. However, they are not identical
in construction. Inside the carving, the car being receiver has
something called M four F or feed cuts in there.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They are machined into the aluminum.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
The reason being. A car being uses what's called a
caring barrel extension, which is that threaded area that has
the extension and the chamber on there for your barrel. Okay,
if you're not sure what I'm talking about, I'll show you, man.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
This was all the talk on the internet fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
What does that have? A does feed ramps to have
feed rams relations to? All? Right? This piece here is
called a barrel extension. It is not part of the barrel. Okay,
the barrels.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Machine up to this point underneath here it is threaded.
This is then threaded on and torque at the factory
anywhere from one hundred and twenty to two hundred foot
pounds depending on what their respect is, whatever they call for.
So this is the barrel extension, and it comes in
two flavors. I'm gonna pass around two different ones. Okay,
(09:02):
everybody familiar with the donkey dicked from Bushmaster, the eleven
point five inch h bar barrel, you see it. There's
a reason why they call it that because if you've
ever seen a horse or donkey, you know we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Okay, this is about fifteen years old. This is before
the M.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Four barrel extension was a common thing. So you will
see this has a rifle barrel extension on here. This
is a carving barrel extension. Look at them from this
angle and you'll see what I'm talking about, and then
look at the actual feed ramps themselves and you'll see it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So, because the DDP is what they base everything off of,
how they do it is a rifle gets a rifle
flat top upper, and a carving gets a carving flat
top upper. All military upper in the very front right
(10:06):
here over the gas tube are actually marked M four.
That tells the idiot on the other end if he's
assembling or rebuilding a gun, if this thing gets out
of the package somehow or the label comes off, he
can look at it say okay, that's for carving.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So I know not to put this on a rifle
vice versa.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Okay, most companies in the commercial world don't even bother
putting that M four marking on there. It's required for
anything military or military contracted. Okay, so we have a
rifle flat top, we have a carbing flat top. One
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of them has and ing feed ramps machined into.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Him, one of them does not. Yes, I have a cold.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, that is a twenty inch twenty four inch target
gun environment type gun. Yes, with a stainless barrel. Yes,
and it will have a rifle barrel extension and a
rifle flat top upper and not a correct because it's
a rifle and Colt builds it just like if they
were building a normal rifle, they would put a rifle
(11:20):
barrel extension on there. To throw everybody for a loop.
Some companies rob a company US. I'm pretty sure Sun's
deliverered here. When we make rifle barrels eighteen to twenty inch,
we put four barrel extensions on there. Why because most
(11:41):
uppers available in the world for US for manufacturing are
made to the carbing spector carbing flattops. So we specify
when the barrels be made the factory to go ahead,
just make that with an M four barrel extension on there.
Now we only have to worry about stocking one kind
of upper and there's no downside to it, and if
(12:04):
anything is probably an upside.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Okay, is there any differences as your life on that
feed ramp cut there is?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, this is the debated topic. By the way, I
have an art type seen difference. All right, So look
at it first like this, like hold them like this,
so you're looking at the round part, like holding them
up like this in front of you. Okay, look at
them and you'll see the bottom, see where the cuts are.
See how one's got a little dip dip in it
(12:34):
one doesn't. And then look at the feed ramps themselves.
See how they're cut off the other one actually comes
down to a rounded completion or you're not seeing it.
You'll see it better in the slide up on the
one thing when I pull it up. So there's actually
debate about the feed ramps whether it was necessary. Some
people said Cold did that simply to maintain their stranglehold
(12:56):
on the M four and all they developed it. Colt said, no,
the gun has a higher ciglip rate et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. It needs that to to enhance or uh
increase the reliability of feeding.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Okay. The bottom line is.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
That's the way it should be done, so not doing
it doesn't make sense. Okay, the rock river dremal effect
and everything. That's not the correct way. In fact, you're
actually doing damage to that upper because you are now
removing to analyzing, and that antidizing provides protection for that
(13:34):
aluminum because generally speaking, aluminum is kind of a soft metal, right,
so that anetizing kind of you know, protects that not
just from corrosion, but also providing a little bit of
hardness to their okay.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
For me, a little bit rock Okay, So I'll have
to see if I've got the picture.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Basically, instead of using the correct upper, what they do
is they put the upper into it.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know, they build a gun. They take a dremal.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You're familiar with the drunk, so they have a drummal
with like a pointed tip type deal, and they go
in there with like a.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Grinder and they grind feet ramps in the upper receiver.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
After the fact, yeah, I will actually pull the picture
up and post it so you guys can see what
it looks like from the one that was just in
my class in Austin. I'll pull it up and transfer
it to my thumb driver or something there, and I'll
put it in the the folder there so you guys
can see it. Oh yeah there, Oh you got it
(14:40):
right there? Yeah yeah, so there you go only crap.
Yeah yeah, they saw lots on them that when they
still own business. That Jerry one was Rock River Harns.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
So just out of curiosity, not that I ever use this,
But does the anida anadizing protect against uh graphite erosion?
Or is it does it have to be raw aluminum
in contact with graphite?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Tug.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's a good question. I don't know what exactly is
graphite erosion or oh the the graphite will erode uh
raw alumnu. So but what is graphite? Where is it
coming from? Uh? Uh uh? As a lubrikin some people?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, dry filled rol and Maryland rip for your pleasure.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Interesting, Yeah, I I honestly don't know. To be honest
with you, I really don't.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, let's know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Gonna need to dive into one of those metallurgical form
uh forums. I know that's part of the vision, But
the least what I've read as the girls why you
can't have dra Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Interestingly enough, I use on my stuff and we use
it at the shop toose.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We use a coffer based anti seas.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Lubricant for barrel necessarily you've never had, if you matter, fight,
I've got guns that are probably seven eight nine years
old where I've done that to the receiver extensions and
the barrels. I've never looked in there to see if
graph it's an element in there, So I don't know,
and I know, yeah, it's also you know, the military
(16:24):
generally uses molly b. In the commercial world, you'll see
some molly be not too much. And the other thing
is aeroshell, aeroshell M thirty three. You'll see that being
used quite a bit for that. But I'm not sure
about that graphite erosion thing, so I can't answer that.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
At some point, are you gonna go over like lightnings
and and solvents to use and what not to use
to remove plating?
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Not too much of that I generally don't use to
solve it since stuff like that, I mean guns, Yeah,
I won't say I don't clean them, but my cleaning
is a lot different than other people's version of cleaning.
You know, it took me a long time actually to
get away from that military mindset because that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm like, these guys wouldn't mind it me.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
They didn't if I had to be the regrease stage,
why did they like me in my webs? And then
I found out, wait a second, not actually, someone has
been lying to me. You know about cleanliness, you know
about a lot of things, and I learned that over
the year. I'm like, wow, wait, this gun will actually gee,
I'm going two thousand rounds here and all I've done
is to wipe it down and reloove and a gun
still runs. That's crazy. But yeah, so I don't really
(17:43):
Uh it's funny. At Black Artery used to use solve
them tanks and stuff, and it was a very complicated.
I mean, it was a drawn out process and you
couldn't mix different bolts, you know, you had to be
real careful about it because you couldn't mix up all
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I'm like, this is a goat fucking that's just a
guys clean your guns. Someone, let's just supervise and do whatever.
And you know, it's just it was a very time
consuming process.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And then I kind of I finally learned several years ago,
this doesn't make sense, you know, and I just literally
walked away from it all and said, lubricate, wipe down,
check relove, shoot and it seems to work good, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But it's not gonna work for everybody.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So just like you know, some people have to have
safety warnings like warning, do not quote a trigger while looking.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
At barrel and shit like that. I get that. So
all right, So upper receiver we.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Boom at a Ford assist mechanism, ejection port cover assembly
to it.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
We now have a completed upper receiver assembly.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
If you're not very well versed in this stuff, it
behooves you to understand the difference between an assembly and
a receiver and an open receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And I'll tell you why I I I had a
very great time during.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The panic, especially the the Obama gun panic of twenty thirteen,
because I was actually home when it happened. The first one,
I was only home on R and R, so I
didn't get to enjoy it as much. But the second
one was phenomenal because guys are paying eighty ninety one
hundred hundred and twenty dollars for stripped uppers and then
(19:26):
they're like, wait a second, what do you mean I
still need another thirty ish dollars worth of parts to
finish this. So they're now into an upper receiver, you know,
for one hundred and fifty sixty bucks. Same with bolt
carrier groups. I can't tell you how many guys I
got ripped off on gun Broker. Why because I bought
a bolt carrier for one hundred and fifty dollars and
(19:47):
they literally got a bolt carrier, no bowl, no fire.
I'm like, bro, didn't lie to you. He sold you
what that is. That's called a bolt carrier. No, no, no,
but I needed that bolt the other shit. Look, that's
called a bulk carrier group. Yeah, okay, sorry, you didn't
understand the terminology, you know. And so I saw both
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carry groups sell. The highest one I ever saw was
five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It was a BCM on eBay.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Someone actually paid five hundred bucks for That was desperation,
obviously it was that bought it. But yeah, it was
actually funny because he had to he had to stop
the upper, like the the upgrade, because there was a
point where you could buy an upper and upgrade to
the BCG for one hundred and forty nine dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He had to stop that. He had to turn it
all off.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Because dudes were buying them, pulling him out of the
uppers when they got him, and then auctioning them on
eBay gun broken and they were selling for two, three,
four or five hundred dollars and he had to shut
it down and he said, hey, okay, you want to
you want to buy this, I'm gonna let you. But uh,
I think he did something where basically fifty dollars out
of every purchase, like I think he raised the price
(20:59):
or something, and then fifty dollars at every purchase went
to the NRA or something. So he's like, all right,
if you guys are gonna play a game, at least
the NRA is gonna get some money and stuff, you know,
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But yeah, it was. It was crazy. It was.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It was amazing at the stuff that I saw happen there.
And I was like, man, oh man, you know how
nuts is this?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
All right? Kill this?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So here is a correct M four upper with feed ramps,
and I've got them circles so you can see exactly
(21:44):
what I'm talking about. Everybody see that. Okay, So that
is correct M for upper. The M four feed ramps
are machined into that upper receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And they made up with that barrel extension and that
completes the feed profile. Okay, if you don't know what
you're doing, you can create problems. Like the guy in
one of the agencies in Arizona who thought he wanted
(22:17):
to help out his swat buddies, so he took all
their twenty inch rifles, bought flat top uppers for him,
and converted them with flatop so they could put optics
and shit on there. What he ended up with was
the lower left corner the bad. Does everybody see why
that's bad? Is there anybody who doesn't understand why that's bad?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay? Is there anybody who does not understand why bottom
left is bad? Okay?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So basically, you now have a lip that has been
created between the upper receiver and the barrel extensions up
the barrel extension being that shiny silver, the black being
the upper receiver where they meet up. Oh, you now
have a lip created there. What happens is either the
bullet itself or the neck of the casing will hang
(23:14):
up on there and it will impede feeding. And that's
exactly what happened. When he redid all theirs. The guns
basically became clubs, and they basically said, hey, bro, you
need to unbuild that shit put it right back the
way it was because the guns literally would not work. Okay,
(23:34):
So up top is correct. That is a rifle extension,
rifle receiver. There are no feed cuts in there. If
you're not sure what I'm saying, walk up to the
thing and look at There is a distinct difference. The
one on the top right has the feed rams machined
into the upper Okay. The one on the left does not.
(24:01):
The barrel extension comes down and completes the turn, so
to speak. Okay, is there anybody who doesn't get this? No,
either might get it.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Do you get it? I will? Well I walk up
let's walk up here. Yeah, i'm'a show. You get a
picture of it.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, no, wonder I don't get it. Somebody get a
butt tel fee of me.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Kay.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So right here, see how this comes down just like that. Yeah,
it comes down to a completion.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Okay, you see this one. It comes down, it.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Stops in the feed profiles only completed once it meets
this the receiver's step there. Yeah, well this is machine.
This is an angle machine at the upper here, it's
the same thing. Hey, I'm for upper, but with a
rifle now you see this.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Now you have this lag and his lip that William
Pede feeding all right, okay, and then you have this Okay,
this is typical of bush matter for a lot of guns.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
For years, this was typical for them. All five hundred
the guns we had overseas were like this. There was
generally a non issue on semi auto.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Once you went to auto there would be occasional stop
feed stoppages because of it. Okay, if you're using crappy
match becomes even more of a problem, especially the ones
without the more recent anti till followers.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, gotta add to my list of good questions.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
We're talking about a weapon system that's fifty sixty years old.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
And people are managing to develop new and more fandastic
problems for it. Shouldn't that be going in the other direction?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Sure? And that's you know, you want to know what
the real part about is this is gonna kill you.
You want to know what the price difference.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Is between this and this. Like as far as the
receiver itself, zero zero nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Literally, it's an extra machining step that you program into
the CNC machine feed rams boom easy. There is for
an O E M there is literally zero cost difference.
This is stupid, right. It all comes down to do
you care about what you're making or do you not care?
(26:44):
And if you don't, hey, why change If all you
assholes are buying it, I'm not changing it? Why should
I You keep buying them when you stop? Everybody who's
the older guys here?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Remember the U go? How many you go? Did you
see any more on the road? Okay? Because they didn't
make it right, it did insury.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
People didn't buy them, so they all right, So we
don't have those for a reason because people didn't buy them.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They were garbage.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But people keep buying this crap, and then people keep
making excuses for this crap, and it keeps coming up,
and it keeps getting bought because people don't know what's
correct and what isn't correct. It's just like the guns
downstairs that we looked at. Your average dude doesn't know
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what the fuck M four feed rams are. He doesn't
know what a properly stayed cast that endplate is. He
doesn't know the difference between YFS screws and mill spect
grade eight fasteners.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
He doesn't know what an h buffer is or why
it's supposed to be the minimum. He doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Any of that stuff. All he knows is that is
a black rifle. It shoots a five to five six.
It goes bang bang bang, bang bang. It uses third
round bags, fifty round bag drums, this and that.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
How much is it? I want it? There's one right
down there right now for five forty nine. I think
it's a support or too. There was one for two
hundred and something and I think that was the twenty
two rifle looked at with the counted rail.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, so again, you know, here's the thing, and this
is gonna be very politically incorrect.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay. When Mikyle kolished the cough, everybody knows who that is.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
When Mikyle Kakov was laying in his hospital bed thinking
of ways to rip off the Nazis, and he designed
the eighteen forty seven.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Mikyle didn't develop it with the intention for people to.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Take Instagram pictures and Facebook photos and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay. He designed it for.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
One purpose, and one purpose only, to arm his countrymen
so that they could go throughout the world and exterminating
capitalism and foment rebellion and basically create a communist dictated
You know dominated world. When Eugene Stoner and those guys
developed the ar TI, their goal was to make a
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military weapon that ultimately would be put into the hands
of American military personnel to do exactly what the Russians.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Are doing in reverse.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
We were going to go down to these places in
South America, Central America, Africa, Asia, and we were going
to put down the communist domination. Ultimately, these guns were
designed to do what kill people. As soon as you
lose sight of that, and you're more worried about your
lipstick and your purse and your heels matching, and you're
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urried worried about my shade of FDE doesn't equal this
shade of FDE, and I need to go buy a
new paint for this because this doesn't match. And this
selector lever's got some high breed aluminum analyzing and it
clashes with my black aluminum lower And I'm going to
put this on there because it looks cool. When all
that kind of stuff takes precedence over the fact that, hey,
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your gun's actually a piece of shit, and all that
cool stuff you put on there won't actually work fast
when things have gone wrong. And that's exactly what has happened.
People don't take the gun seriously anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
People do not take it for what it is, and
that is a.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Gun either in a offensive mode as in military, or
a defensive mode for basically law enforcement and civilians. Okay,
and we've lost sight of that. The only thing that's
important now is, you know, I have this cool thing.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I've got. This cool thing. Doesn't matter that the gun
maybe doesn't run properly. It looks cool.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And that's why that's why we've gotten to this point.
If people would actually educate themsel. You know, the average
person spends more time investigating the purchase of the latest
sixty five.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Inch LG four K TV with HDMI and all that.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
They spend more time looking at the benefits of the
iPhone ten and everything else than they actually do in
the purchase of a firearm. Okay, when we hire guys
to work at gun stores, we don't put advertisements out
for the smartest dudes in the world that know about guns.
Most of these guys get paid minimum wage to go
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in there and sell a product. Okay, if we cared
about that kind of stuff, people would try to hire
more knowledge with people.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
But with that comes you got to pay them something.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
If you pay a dude seven fifty, you're gonna get
seven to fifty worth of advice and you're not going
to move.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
In your low end shit because they care. Well. Yeah,
and that's exactly it.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And the dealers love the low end stuff because they
make more money off of those than they do off the.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Higher end product.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And that's the reality. So we'll never get away from that.
That's just the way it's gonna be. So, and I've
accepted that. I know I'm not gonna change people's minds.
I know I cannot force people to do anything. So
all I can do is try to educate people and
make them understand, Hey, this is you know, ultimately, like
(32:20):
I say, is your life. I'll give a shit man.
If you want to carry that thing and it doesn't work,
knock yourself out. If I ever get in a situation,
I can tell you one thing, I might get killed.
The damnswer ain't gonna because my gun didn't work. There's
gonna be lots of other factors involved there, and failures.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Of my gun ain't gonna be one of them, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And unfortunately we've lost sight of that, and why we're
why do we even have these guns and begin with
it again, I'm not saying I'm not trying to say that,
you know, in the way you know, I'm not trying
to paint these guns is the evil thing.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
But I just we got to bring this thing back
to reality.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
When this gun was developed, just like when other guns
were developed, it was designed to armed dudes. And we're
gonna send a shitty places to do shitty stuff that
nobody else wants to do. It's the same reason why
we put cops on the street to go do shitty stuff,
because other people can't police themselves up. So we have
to have people to do it for us, and we
put them out there and we expect them to do
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certain things. And part of that is, hey, you got
to have a good rifle that works, you know. And
when you get the bean counters and administrators involved and
stuff like that, they don't understand the difference between why
that black gun and that black gun are different. Why
is this one eight fifty and that one's seven hundred
does not compute? They look the same to me, and
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it are probably right on the surface, it does. It's
when we start getting into the finer details, which none
of them either know about nor do they care about.
Because if I'm in charge of a department and I've
got to purchase one hundred and fifty rifles and there's
one hundred and fifty dollars price difference, it's kind of
a no brainer. I know. I'm right much to as
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the bean counter, you know. So that's that's why we
are where we are. Okay, this stuff should not happen.
There shouldn't even be a picture like this. It shouldn't
have to be a picture like this if you're not
competent enough to do the most simple stuff like understand this,
why the hell are you making guns?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Is this why nineteen eleven's worked? Just spying in the
Philippines and now seven hundred dollars nineteen eleven?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Yeay, or may not work.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I don't know. I'm not much of a nineteen eleven guy,
but yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
But my understanding, we still had nineteen elevens when I
was in the army. They seem to work. It was
when we started kind of tinkering with it that they
seem to not work. So yeah, I think you might
be onto something there that could well be right. And
strangely enough, the gun that costs one thousand dollars more,
and that nineteen eleven market doesn't seem don't work any
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better than the other ones in some cases where you
really have to go off the deep end and do
some really crazy stuff to make them gouber reliable. Right.
But yeah, so this kind of stuff, it shouldn't have
to be, you know, we shouldn't have to even have
these conversations. Unfortunately we do because people don't care about
the product. If they did, it wouldn't happen, you know.
(35:25):
But we're never gonna exterminate it. Unfortunately, it's gonna be
with us.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
So we just have to do this. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So they so what they do is they take this
right here and they basically dremal feed ramps like in
that picture and I'll I'll pull up that picture in
a big way and I'll show it and they basically
dremal the feed ramps in there.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
They're still doing it. I've still seen them fairly new
guns where they're doing it. Crazy thing is they could
easily fix that with zero to no effort. Part of
it is, too, is two different skews. Right now, you've
got two different products. You gotta worry about you've got
one here, one here, We've got to carry X amount,
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So instead we'll just we'll shortcut it. We'll just do
it this way, all right. Usually this comes up at
some point in time. What is that little marking on
my upper et cetera, et cetera. Don't worry about It's irrelevant,
thank you. It means nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay. The only time this is.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Even remotely important is if you're trying to pedigree something like, Hey,
someone says, that's a nineteen eighties era colt, i'll co
enforced upper blah blah blah. Okay, perfect, Now you can
look at the markings. That'll make sense. Someone's trying to
sell you something that they claim is FN. It should
matter of fact, who has an FN rifle on the
side of your receiver on your right side near the
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ejection port there and the FOD assists? Is there an
F stamped on there? See where your four assist there
is go up and you should have a forge marking?
Is there an F stamped in there somewhere that it
looks like is there a key?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Is there an F you get that jack dope in
your gun? There's got some sides in there. But do
you see an F stamped on there? It's a bushmash to.
There should be two markings.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
There should be a square or a circle or a
keyhole or something, and there should be an F.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Do you see a letter F.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
It doesn't look like that at all, like pyramid, Pyramid,
star Trek.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
That's where it is now.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
If it's from Star League, it must be give that. Okay,
that's a that's a Anchor Harvey. So if an anchor Harvey,
there's no F stamp so on a real Mills gun.
On a real f N gun, there's an F right
behind it, and that's stands for FN.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
That's how you know that's an FN. Guy. Oh, Colt
has a C. That's a Colt gun. Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
If you've got anything in the last twenty years roughly
or so, it will have a C stamped on there.
If it's older than that, probably won't have it, or
it may be marked in a different way. Stand by,
like this particular upper here that was in the shame box. Okay,
it's got a CM on there. Okay, CM is Colt,
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Martin Marriott. This is a very old gun. This is
from probably the eighties timeframe. Okay, so the CM stamped
right up here. We know I could vet this and say, yep,
that's a Colt Martin Mariatta upper.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Otherwise without it, it's a it's gonna be whatever the
hell you want different. I could sell it as a
secret squirrel upper.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Is that bottom one? Uh? This?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, that is fragle Rock. That is the cardinal of forging.
Looks like the cardinals hat kind of. Oh okay, okay,
they call it fraggle Rock.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
So does that many places the fortune? Oh yeah, there's
Oh okay.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Here you go saroh Colt uh alcoa col Alcola forging,
Uh Colt Canada, or I should say Sarah Canada. That's
a Demaco. So that's a Cold Canada gun. And then
down there where there's the anchor Harvey or the splinter egg.
Then you'll see the square which is uh brass ring
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Martin or whatever the hell it's called. Uh, you don't
see you know, you'll see those, do You won't see
too many of the M, the big fat M that's
Muller MI Muller Industries.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You won't see many of those out in the wild.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You'll see him in the military as a replacement stuff,
but you won't see him for sale generally.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
You mean a lot about people talking about the fortune
on the front cycles the F one or something, whether
it's true cold or not, or is.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
That for the height.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, you're talking about the F stamping for the front
site base. That tells you if it's an F marked
upper or I mean it's just say F marked front
site base.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yes, that's a well no, actually what it is now
there is I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
There are certain forged markings on there that's actually an
investment casting.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
If I'm not mistaken. The the old ones were forged.
I believe that the.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Newer stuff is an investment casting. I'm pretty sure about that.
But they'll have different codes. Someone won't have any. But
the main thing you need to look at on there
is the F stamp, the F which we'll go into
here in a couple of minutes. It is basically designed
for the use with flat top upper receivers.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Okay, so there you go.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Forge markings okay, irrelevant, basically mark that it came from
c I A Arms. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Forging companies.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, those are various forging manufacturers or companies. Yes, and
you won't see most of those anymore. You'll see you'll
generally see about five or six. That's the the B
A B A F E brass aluminum forging enterprise.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
That's the square.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
So you'll see the square. You'll see the splinter A
which is anchor Harvey. You'll see the the keyhole which
is sero forge. You'll potentially see the cardinal, which is
the fraggle rock looking thing.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
And you'll maybe see the circle I believe now I'm
trying to remember who that is now. Just a round circle.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And that's pretty much, yeah, I mean, that's pretty much
what you'll see in this common day and age.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
All right, So barrels.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
We're gonna talk a little bit about barrels here and
I'll give you guys a five minute brag here.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
So up here we have what someone tell me what
we're looking at. How do you know that the cut
out because of this, right?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
The M two oh three grenade launchers step down for
the locking bracket. Okay, that's a dead giveaway. If you
don't have an M two oh three. The next question
you should ask yourself is why do I have this?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Okay? Or why do they still make them?
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, basically there's no reason to have it, Yes, because
those are made in the same place and that's why.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So that's exactly why they do it, all Right. The barrel.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Is probably the most important part of your gun, right
next to the VCG. Literally, those two components are the
heart of the gun. I mean literally, we are talking
to heart, just like a human. We start with the
those two components, right. The barrel could be the heart,
the BCG could be the lungs, everything else around it,
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the shell. Okay, that means the upper, the lower, the
rail or lack of rail, handguards.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
All that bullshit that we throw on there. Okay, that's
all stuff. That's nice, and you know, rails are cool
and all that, but the reality is, do we really
need that stuff? Now?
Speaker 1 (43:26):
A solid built gun with you know, a set of
good solid handguards and everything has been killing people since
nineteen sixty three. Okay, it's done a pretty good job,
not saying having rails and all that isn't cool, but
definitely it's not a necessity. But again, situation or job
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dictates too, because some guns aren't easy to do, like
put lights on and things like that. Okay, so that's
where things like the rails and stuff come into their own.
They allow you to put stuff on there that you know,
if you need them for your job description. It's a
hard thing to do without a rail system, you know,
putting your PEC fifteen.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Mall whatever on the gun. Okay, so the barrel is
the big thing here. Now. Sad thing about this is
people cut. This is the first place they start cutting corners.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
And I'm talking about the consumer dude who's building the
Franken gun. This is the first thing he does. Oh man,
I just got this score on Joe Bob's Outfitters. They're
selling a badass sixteen inch two two three wild steamless
barrel for ninety nine ninety five.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I'm here to tell you something OEM costs. I'm talking
to me.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
If I'm the owner of Sonics and I go to
my barrel guy, say I want you to make me
two hundred sixteen inch stainless one in eight twist two
two three wild barrels. I'm paying at least seventy five
dollars for the barrel. That's before HPMPI testing, that's before
shipping anything. If you're buying that thing for ninety nine
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ninety five, you need to ask yourself.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Why.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Okay, I can tell you why. There's probably something wrong
with it. Okay.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
CIA barrels one of the big things right now, and
I keep trying to tell people stay away from CIA barrels.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
What is a CIA barrel? Anybody know?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
No one knows where it can come exactly plausible deniability barrels.
You cannot identify. I cannot tell you who made this.
This actually came from a son's liberty class. Guy came
in to the class with a gun that wouldn't work,
He says, Dude, we've gone through this, you know everything.
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We figured out it was the barrel. A couple of
issues here. Everybody see this.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Right here? Yeah, go ahead, run your finger across it,
just carefully. Eh. Yeah. Anybody want to take your guess?
Will cause that guess block? Yep, bearl wasn't temples.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Gas blocks started shifting around movie, and those are the
set screw that all passes around. Those are the set screws.
Start digging into the barrel. Okay, it also happened up
here as the gas block rotated. One thing about this
barrel two two three, wild one in eight USA. I
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don't know who made it, that's it. He doesn't know
who made it either, because guess what I bought it online?
Down here, we got a number O three one seven five.
For all I know, that's March seventeenth, twenty fifteen. It's
anybody's guess what it really means. For all I know,
that could be the code that breaks the Bible or something.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I don't know. The gas block put it with set
screws or something place.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
So load profile gas blocks are generally installed with a
set screws and a dimple in the barrel. Some companies
pin them, very few pin them. Most are done with
set screws and dimpling. Okay, when it's not done correctly,
the gas block will move around. That's what happened there.
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We cannot identify the barrel short of me going online
and surfing the web for every kind of Arear fifteen
barrel made and hopefully identify those markings.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I can't tell you anything about it. Okay. If I
pick up here's another one, it's another one just.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Came into the Tucson shop. Another gun wouldn't work, right, Okay.
This is a fourteen to five pinned muzzle device of
some sort that I've never seen in my life with
a non compliant pin he had the FSB cut down
as a low profile. Nothing wrong with this is actually
a solid way of doing it if you want a
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really solid gas block.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
But I can't tell you who made it. In fact,
the only.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Markings on here are five point five six, NATO one
DASH nine, no other code, no other anything.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
So no clue as to who actually makes this. So
who do I go after?
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Can't go after anybody because I don't know. Okay, Now Bushmaster.
Bushmaster is nice enough for years they've actually marked their barrels,
so we know something. We know a it's got a
BMP on there. It's not a Russian armored fighting vehicle.
It stands for Bushmaster Metallic and Pressure Tested.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
We know that.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Now that is a lie because we know Bushmaster only
atch tests their stuff. So you make a thousand tests,
one hundred everyone passes. If one hundred pass, okay, or
whatever their batches, whatever they deem their batch to be.
So what if you don't know why that came about
or how that came about. It came about when during
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the day when they were competing against Colt head to
head in the car being market. Because cold barrels were
marked almost identically they say c MP and then five
five six NATO one slash seven. So that was a
marketing thing. Look, we're just like cold says right here.
So then we know the profile.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
H FI.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
We know it's allegedly a five five six NATO because
it says that, and it tells us to twist right
of one in nine. We won't even get into the
fact of why would you make an eleven point five
inch barrel with a one in nine twist?
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Okay, we won't go there the rest of it.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
As we can see, at least we can identify this,
okay if we have a problem. If we had a problem,
we could at least go back and say, hey, this
is your shit. Look it's your signature is all over there.
There's no there's only one reason why you wouldn't want your.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Name on there. And why is that because it's a
piece of shit. When there's a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's not our barrel. You can't You don't know where
that came from. This was not a bad barrel, is
just it was given to me by Paul. It was
just used for a demo stuff. This is a sixteen
inch midleing so FN made barrel. It would have been
stamped HP, HP, BMH or something like BFH or whatever
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one's last seven five five six NATO. So again, I
know it's high pressure tested. I know it's a BCM barrel.
I know the twist rate, and I know the chamber. Okay,
if barrels don't have markings on there, you need to
be concerned. Okay, that's the reality. I see, Oh, where's
my cream of the crop barrel?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Someone was looking at it earlier. Here you go, everybody
see this. You know what this is for. You know
why this is like this. It's not supposed to Well, no,
so you can go from a rifle barrel extension to
a carbon barrel extension.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
You can just change them out. No, you're right, it's
not supposed to do this. This was an improperly made barrel.
Generally speaking, a properly made barrel. You do not want
the barrel extension of the barrel melanited in one time
in the process. The reason for that is during that
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melanite process, it heats it, it cools, and you heat
it again and it cools. Steel expands and contracts, right,
any metal is gonna expand a contract. When it happened
when it happens on here, the barrel extension actually loosened.
The guy was going to either install or remove the flashhider,
and when he did, he had this thing locked into
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a reaction rod, and I belink it popped loose and
broke loose.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
You cannot fix this. It's not user serviceable.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
When this happens, you basically need to find a manufacturer
to send it to and hope that they can realign
and reset it. Okay, this barrel was made by hardened arms. Okay,
ten point five inch hardened arms.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Barrel. Guy paid one hundred and forty dollars with it
for it with the gas block. That's a bargain, right,
one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Forty bucks with a low profile gas block. Well, now
it's worthless. That's why it's in the shade box. The
new barrel he bought with gas block was well over
two hundred dollars. Now, if we add two hundred, let's
call it two twenty. We add two twenty and together
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we'd come up with three hundred and sixty dollars. You
could buy a top of the line barrel for three
hundred and sixty bucks. Not, you know, not what he
ended up being, he ended up with a baseline bear.
Matter of fact, I think you can get a stript
cult marketing teen barrel of a barrel nut for about
two ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Okay, So he.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Would actually been ahead of the game if he'd have
done that, because this is now worthless.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
In addition to that, it was way over gashed zero
eighty six. Okay.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
The only thing I know about this barrel is the
information stamped on here five five six NATO one slash seven.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
With a V whatever that means. I have no idea.
The only reason I know it's a hardy arts because
this guy actually knew where he bought it from. Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Without that information I couldn't have identified that barrel without
him telling me be virtually impossible.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Okay, so the barrel is a big deal. Okay.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
If you buy one hundred dollars barrel, expect one hundred
dollars results.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
That's the reality. Okay. You really need to look at
the specs. Go to the website and find what are
they selling me.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
You know one thing you will find even if they
list if they tell you it's forty one to fifty
chrome mollivanadium or CMV forty one fifty. However they word it.
Even if they give you the twist rate, they'll tell
you the chamber. The one thing you're not gonna be told.
They're not gonna give you is the gaspoort size. Very
few companies will actually put that out there in print.
(54:43):
They treat it like the proprietary information. Matter of fact,
one guy recently told me that he contacted somebody about
a barrel. He asked them to port size. The guy said,
buy the barrel, measure yourself. You can find out what
the port size is. Okay, why that, I don't know.
I guess they figure it's top secret. That might be
(55:06):
some of it, And that actually is true. You'll find that.
You'll find that out because it's really interesting. Down to
the suns of Liberty shop. They have a big whiteboard
and they write on their stag dpm ass cold where
they write stuff down, and they actually measure the ports
when they come into the shop.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
You'll see some of them. They're like this.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
The port numbers are all over the place. They're never consistent.
You'll look at other ones and it's like this, because
across the board they're almost always the same.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
So, yeah, that's part of it. I guess the other
part is they think it's top secret.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
You know, they don't want to reveal their secret sauce
or whatever, which is stupid because I could just go
buy a couple of barrels, especially if I'm the competitor,
and just buy a couple of barrels.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Say hey, gee, those those kinds see the work. I
wonder what they're doing. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Let me start off with, let me go check out
their barrel. Let me go order and ship a couple
of those to my shop and measure them out. Real
simple stuff, Okay, easy to do. That's how I get
most of my information. I actually pull guns apart and
I actually measure them to find out, Oh look, it's
exactly what I thought it was, or it's real close
to what I thought it was, or whatever the case is.
(56:24):
So again, barrel's big part of the old. Now, if
you're look at this barrel, what's missing.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
My stuff? Right? What goes right in this area? Gas block,
gas block or.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
FSB, right, depending if we're going rail lowcro or regular
type handguards or whatever in an FSB, So, depending on
which we go.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
So I call this barrel the gender neutral barrel.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Okay, because it doesn't know if it's gonna be male
or female yet it's gonna it's gonna eight for someone
to make it male with an FSB or female with
a load pro block. Okay, So, knowing that here's something
we need to know what usually comes after this on
an FSB barrel.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Should have your call it the handguard and shoo.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
A handguard cap maybe okay, handguard cap. And after the
handguard cap comes, you should have said, yeah, that's not okay,
all the way just right past the handguard cap. What's next?
How about an FSB handguard cap FSB right, f s
(57:45):
B got that way, yeah, yeah, towards yeah, so handguard
cap right, and the FSB if we're putting a load
pro block on there, simply a load pro gaspot or
gas block.
Speaker 5 (57:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
So, knowing that here's something, we also need to know,
there's a there's something on this barrel that needs to
be constant, and that constant is placement of the gas
port in relation to the mounting journal and the shoulder there.
(58:21):
And there's your like your magical number zero point two
nine five, yes, roughly the center.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
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