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July 28, 2025 82 mins
Sometimes, Primus Tracks listeners have questions that we cannot answer, and that's when we fire up the Soya Signal for a round of your queries. Soya joins from yet another hotel room, this time teching for Oasis, and if you've seen their tour schedule, you know the man has some time to fill. Questions this time range from Primus lyrics to beer to skateboarding to perms and Taco Bell.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Josh Freaky with a couple of dump shits.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello, Primates, you found Primus Tracks.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Congratulations.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
There are many places to find Primus Tracks, but the
easiest place to find us is right here, because the
dulcent tones of our voices will get you through whatever
miserable experience you're using us for. I am Josh. I
am one of the hosts of Primus Tracks. He is
lording over us all in Primus Tracks Towers from the
thirty ninth floor.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's Frankie eristein.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Hey, Josh, Frankie.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
We get questions from our listeners and sometimes I know
it pains you to admit this, but sometimes we cannot answer.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
All of them. Sometimes we are surpassed by how deep
these questions go.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
And when we are plumbing the mad depths, we put
up the signal and we dial some numbers on our phones.
This man always answers the call welcome back to Primus Tracks,
our great friend Tim Sooya.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Holy moly, here we are again, here he is.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh, what a strong voice you have so early in
the morning in some hotel room wherever it is you are.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, guys, I find myself in London, England, this time.
Pretty interesting. I love to be on the other side
of the world. I know Frankie's already on some other
side of the world. Every time we do these, I
do enjoy being on the other side of the other side.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
Of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Beautiful, We've got We've got what they've called the Devil's
triad here going right now Oregon to Mexico City to London.
So that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
It's a huge triangle. It swallows everyone in his path.
There's gonna be big headlines.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Later with some primusan with you know what I mean.
Let's do it. It is long overdue.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
It's time for the good people who have submitted their
questions for Tim Soyer to have them answered right here
on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
And uh, and.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
We put up a call of our own, and we
asked some of our listeners to create a theme song
for this, and our pal Brooks created what I think
is a superlative ask Soya theme song? Soya, is this
the first song that anybody's ever written for you?

Speaker 5 (02:33):
No, let's let's write a song for Soya.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's right. I forgot about that one. Frank you to
tell me about that. I forgot about that one.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Uh. Back to their station.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
That's all right, ye, fuck you Tim Soy. I forgot
about that improvised beauty piece of I.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Don't remember that one. What was that from?

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Because so this is the he goes at You were
having a conversation with her about drums and les dropped
in and you said something like, come on, this is
drum talk. It's like, please stay out of it. And
the next day at the show at the hop Monk Tavern,
Less improvised a song that went like fuck you, Tim Sawyer,

(03:23):
You're arrogant son of a bitch. And it was like
a twank arrangement.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, wow, I do remember a moment I was really drunk.
It did say really funny. I ro against the word
I think dumb, dumb and drunk trying to be cocky.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, I can tell you this song is much more complimentary.
So this is the second song ever dedicated to one
Tim Soyer by our pal Brooks.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
He your prime out there in podcast.

Speaker 7 (03:57):
It's time for the private track segment where you get
to ask the questions.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
And he's going to get the answer.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
But remember he's forgotten more primate shows then you'll probably
ever go here. His name is Tim Soya, and it's
time to ask Soya.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
You know right, it's just done. That was awesome. I
like how they went into Anthrax mode from the Primus
Public Enemy Anthrax tour that yet, I think that was
more of a s O D. Kill yourself, Kill yourself.
Why don't you kill yourself?

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, channeling the s O D.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Beautiful Brooks, Brooks, I love it. Come on. That was awesome.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Because it's my show. I'm going to take the first question. Actually,
you mentioned it, Soya. You're in England. You're not far
from Birmingham where Black Sabbath and Ozzie took the stage
for the last time and they raised millions of dollars
for charity. And we're recording this the day that Ozzie's
passing was announced. So I wanted to ask you, being

(05:16):
a lifelong metal fan, what's your Sabbath Ozzie experience in
terms of the music and you know, being around for
them in their salad days.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, well, I don't know if I was around for
the salad days. I think I got into Black Sabbath
around the mob Rules moment, Oh Nice, which was Dio
in the band, and obviously my beginnings of ozdom Ozzie
dum was Diary of a Madman and Blizzard of Oz

(05:46):
because that was pretty hip and happened and metal and
parents hated it, so I loved it. I only was
around Ozzy really close once. I never actually met him.
I went to an Ausie show to go hang out
with Mike Borden from Faith, and Moore was the drummer
at the time. Obviously he did fifteen years with Ozzy, right,
and me and Ozzie passed each other as I was

(06:08):
walking down the hall to Mike's dressing room to go
hang out with my friend. But I have never actually
met Ozzy in person, but very much loved Black Sabbath.
Once I got into Black Sabbath, man, it was like, whoa,
this is some crazy shit. It was scary, you know,
being young and you hear that early gothic stuff. It

(06:29):
was trippy, man, And I loved it, you know, and
you know, you have to go back in the catalog.
It's not like we got to go down and buy
Volume four the day it came out, you know, right, which,
so you know, it was like you know, with like
some bands, you discover them way into it and you
go back and like I don't think I was even
aware that Ozzy was in Black Sabbath when I first
heard Mabel Rules, you know, like because it was also

(06:50):
new when I was like thirteen years old or twelve
years old or whatever. Man, yeah, I have all that stuff, dude.
I loved all the Black Sabbath, you know. I mean,
it's unbelievably killer and the coolest close connection I did
get to work with. Tommy Aldridge was cool, which he
was the drummer for Ozzy's Blizzard of Oz back then.
Was an honor to be that. That was a facet

(07:11):
closer to Ozzy for sure. But I was unable to
do that Primus tour. They did the oz Fest with
Brain on drums. That was for anti pop, yes, and
I was not on that one. I ended up skipping
out on Primus for a while right then, So I
missed that one, which I know those guys had really

(07:32):
fun time with Ozzy on that. Let's talk creative those days.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Did you ever meet or get close to Tony or
Bill or Geezer?

Speaker 8 (07:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Actually when we were doing I was doing the Jerry
Cantrell solo tour Degradation trip back in two thousand maybe
two thousand and one. We had a day off in
Philly and the oz Fest was in Philly out at
the Shed, the Amphitheater, and of course Jerry made one
phone call to Sharon and we all went up over
there and got in for free, hung out in the

(08:01):
back and stood on stage and watched Black Sabbath and
Bill Ward was actually the drummer, so that that was
the only time I've ever actually seen Black Sabbath live,
which is very twenty five years ago. Was like a
later Black Sabbath, you know, right, So it.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Was still good.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know, we stood on Geezer Butler's side of the
stage and he was just face melting playing, you know,
like that was an incredible sight to see being that
close to him. Great stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, of course, Ozzie's a powerhouse, and all those guys are,
so I wanted to ask you about that.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's undeniable, man. You know.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Let's stick into some Primus stuff and some Soya stuff.
Our first question is a voicemail from Charlene.

Speaker 9 (08:44):
So I heard you guys were doing another Q and
A with Soya. So, Tim, you've had a front row
seat to the rhythm section of Primus for years. With
a new drummer. Now in the fold, have you noticed
any ships, subtle or otherwise in how the band interacts
or plays together, and what stood out to you so far? Now,

(09:05):
this is in regards to Jonathan Hoffman. I loved watching
the Interstellar drum Derby episodes. I was so happy I
saw the John Hoffman episode. I was in tears. I
literally cried tears of joy Batman. There is something about him,
and I'm sure I spent some time with him. Yeah,

(09:27):
I just would like to hear your take on mister
Jonathan Hoffington.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
Hopper, ma'am.

Speaker 10 (09:33):
I was just the front row for.

Speaker 9 (09:35):
Primus in Michigan. It was a great time and it
was fucking awesome to see how he jibed with Less
and Layer. It was just unbelievable. All Right, you guys
have a good one. Oh and it's Charlene from Canada.
In case you didn't know, Well.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Charlie, I will tell you it was quite an experience.
I know everybody saw the episodes and well, John Hoffman
got picked man. I mean we went through the ringer
on trying to find somebody. It was incredible, that whole
scene and that whole thing. Obviously, everybody just got a

(10:15):
very small slice of what actually all went down over
those three months. But yeah, from the moment we got
past that final moment of him and Gurgo and it
was like, literally less than two weeks later, he came
right back and they went to it, you know, And
I had to be there for that too, and sit
next to him and you know, with him and the

(10:37):
kid after I built it for him and they got
to it and it was just it was incredible, you know,
I mean it was it took some time. You know,
it's hard for anybody to step into a new band
like that. I mean, even though he was you know,
uber fan and knew everything, it's still once you were
in that microscope of a situation, he had to learn
a lot, you know. I mean that's why I'm less

(10:58):
happy there was to really help ease the pain of
him having to really knuckle down and get it all
figured out. And it's amazing. You saw it live. I
haven't seen him live with the band other than the
Dominican Republic thing. As my work has taken me away.
I did not see. This is Santa Trip and they're
out right now. The one you maybe you saw, I

(11:20):
didn't see. I haven't seen any of that will not
see any of this leg as well, But I've seen
lots of videos and man, I've talked to Less plenty,
I've talked to Lure. They are like just freaking out energized,
and I think it shows and everybody's videos I've seen
posted and what everybody says they've seen, it's amazing. I

(11:42):
think he's brought energy to this band more than anything.
And his playing is incredible because he's a Primus fan.
He's fit into the band like he was in the band,
you know, like it seemed like he could have been
a drummer in Primising, like he came back because they
needed him again or something, you know, like he really
had it going on from the moment he jumped in.
So it's been great for everybody.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Those The not so subtle thing I've noticed is that
the tempos are really snappy. They are moving these days,
which is great.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I think that's kind of what where Primus came from
as a band, was really pushing and driving and upbeat
and in your face and not laid back, which they
kind of got pretty laid back a lot of moments
over the years, not in a bad way. It's just
kind of how the progression of their writings went. But yeah,
I mean, Hoffer's back there, given it two hundred percent

(12:39):
at two hundred percent all the time. So it's it's
jumpy and it's great. That first new song is proof
that that's right out of the gate. It's you're in
for some good fun stuff in the future, I think
very soon, you know, absolutely looking forward to that. Of course.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
So Tim, you were there for the whole drum off
and finalhearsals and the recording of Fentanil long shot question
as usual, But would you happen to know who drew
that sketch of list with the perm that they have
pasted on the fridge?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Oh? No, that is just some fan art that got
handed to somebody somewhere down the line. I don't even
know where what tour that came from. It's just some
random stuff that came out of a road case. We
got back to the darea and someone hung it up
because it was funny.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Okay, it big time, big time.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yes, it's probably something that somebody handed one of the
crew guys and said, get my art to least I
do this for him, and it's like, okay, I mean
you get that every show, or you know, not every show,
but all the time, people want to give you ship.
And I always used to, you know, kids, the ship,
and I would showed the band or I'd hang it

(14:01):
up at the rehsal room if it was really dumb
or funny or dumbly funny.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Well, you know, if you draw him in the perm phase,
it's gonna get people's attention, because that's the best Less hair.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, that's a very interesting look that Les had for
a minute there. We all enjoyed all the pokes we
could get at him for the afro as best we
could without piston them off. When I came out into
the dairy, they had already established themselves there because I

(14:37):
was out on tour, like obviously, you know, Les was
telling me about they bought it, and I went there
after they had kind of moved in and that was
already on the fridge, and I laughed out loud, you know,
because Less knows I was there for the afro moment. Yes,
oh boy, do you answer your question. I have absolutely

(14:58):
no idea who drew that, And I don't even know
if anybody knows who drew that. You want to find out?
That would be something to ask that ether in the
primus world, maybe somebody remembers who it is, or maybe
dude will see hear this episode. No, yeah, let's just
come out. I drew that.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Our next question is from a friend of the pod,
Sam Stewart, who texted and asked what was the process
for building Hoffer's Ssanta Kid.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
That was a ground up build. First thing that I
did when when Hoffer got the gig, before he even
started rehearsing with the band, as we started getting endorsements
lined up to get a gear because obviously he lives
in Mississippi, I'm sorry, h Louisiana, way out there, and
we figured he's just got his kit that he's had forever,

(15:47):
which is the truth. So we immediately I got on
the horn with drum reps and drum people's after asking
him what brands he wanted to maybe try to get,
and we got a brand new everything for him was cool,
so easy found out what he wanted. The three toms,
the floor tom, we had to do the boom kick.

(16:09):
We did the floor tom on the left for the
Grapevine and a couple other songs, and then he wanted
symbols of this type and blah blah blah. So basically
everything got ordered, the kit was dw and it all
came in a pile of boxes, brand new, all wrapped up,
and it's basically it took it probably took over a

(16:31):
week to get it finally together to where it was
everything that you see. I think I got half of
pretty much. It set up loosely, and then he showed
up and he came in a day early, I mean,
and him sat there for a day wiggling and moving
and getting it set how he wanted. Yeah, I had
an idea because we had already had the kit, the

(16:51):
rental kit set up for the tryout. If you remember
in the videos where him and Gurgo were there, Oh
that was a rental okay, yeah, because the only kit
that's there is a couple of little dinky there's one
little dinky kit of lessons, which is not adequate for
a Primus try for a Primus drum try out. So

(17:11):
I had brought in a rental kit or had a
rental kit delivered and set that all up, and so
you know, obviously John wiggled it around how he kind
of wanted it. I had pictures. So it took a
you know, less than a week and they were up
and it was up and ready to go. And then
a day with John and away we went, you know,
right on, and.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
You did all those phone calls to DW, Aquarian, Vader,
Sabing and so on.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Right yep, yep, I got all that he did the
Sabian thing because I didn't have a contact at Sabian.
We got a contact through friends of mine, and he
contacted the dude, the dude that already contacted him. There
was a couple of companies immediately reached out, oh Instagram
messages or whatever, just to try to get their foot

(17:53):
in the door, to get their product into his world.
So I'm pretty sure that's how he hooked up a
Sabian guy pretty quickly. And I got in touch with
the guy through my friends and that happened. But yeah,
I knew the DW guy. I'm endorsed by Vader and Aquarium,
so I easily got him onto that stuff, which he
was super happy about it. Anyways, you know, so excellent. Yeah,

(18:15):
I went, It went pretty smooth, man, and that kid
is incredible. Ironic ironically, uh factoid, DW could not get
a custom kit built for John like lockety Split because
he wanted a custom color and blah blah blah. The
kit that he's playing now, he used it on Sasanta

(18:37):
and he used it on the tour they're out with
right now is a prototype kit of a d W
kit that's available now that's got a luminum ply in
the middle of the plies of the drum.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, many plies of would one ply of aluminum and
three more plies of wood. And it was the only
thing that that our guy at DW had sitting around
that they can part with that that was exactly what
we needed and minus the boom kick. So he gave
it to us to use, which we did, and then
we said, hey, we're going to take this on the

(19:13):
tour and Less really likes it. Would you sell it?
And he said, let me talk to the boss and
he came right back said yeah, he says, you can
have it. We don't care. So they sold it to Primus.
They owned that kid.

Speaker 10 (19:24):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
So a kid has been being made ever since that
moment of the same kind of shell system, but it's
going to be in a custom color, which I'm not
going to reveal. John will reveal that when it happens.
Oh and he yeah, he should.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
That connects some dots for me because on his Modern
Drummer rig run Down, he mentioned that the kid he's
currently playing on tour is going to live at the dairy. Correct,
And then yeah, he's getting a new one that's similar,
but I'm sure has a few.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, it's going to be the it's going to be
the exact same kid, okay, only just a different color already,
So the idea was Less wants to have a John
Hofford kit set up with Mike's always at the dairy. Also,
since John lives in Louisiana, he can just fly out

(20:17):
and it's not like I have to go down there
and set up a drum set and we have to
mike it and get it all ready. It's just going
to be like he can show up, turn on the machine,
and we can hit record and they can just that.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Is that's fantastic news.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah. And then the the drum kit that that he's
playing now, the shell is made out of cherry wood, yes,
and the one that he's getting for himself for after
is going to be made out of maple. So that
way we'll have two completely different style shell composites for sound,

(20:54):
you know whatever. So yeah, two distinct kits that'll be great. Yeah,
but one, the one, Cherry one is owned by Primus
and that will be set up twenty four to seven
all year round.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
At Primus Phil on demand drumming.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, pretty cool, pretty great idea, excellent.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Our next question is somewhat related, and Ryan Rashaan asks
via text, were you on the calls with Lesson Lure
when they were making their decision about drummers or was
it more after the drummers left the audition? And I
know that there's limitations to what you can reveal in
that regard.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
No, I mean I can reveal that obviously Lessons said it.
You know, I watched every single video that that was
emailed to us, and Lure watched probably seventy five to
eighty percent of them, Like he just didn't have time
some days because of all that was going on. Yeah,
in his life. I don't think his house had burned

(21:54):
down yet at that point, that hadn't happened, but he just,
you know, he's got a shit going on. So there
was some nights he just couldn't get to it. And
if we didn't attack it, every single night. If you
waited two or three days, which we had done a
few times in the beginning, all of a sudden, there's
like eight hundred emails you'd have to go through, and
it literally would you know, you'd I'd spend three, four,

(22:17):
sometimes six hours and get through five hundred emails, you know,
because you got to open them, you got to read them.
If there's video, you got to get it to play,
you got to watch it. Yeah, I mean, it just
it was a very time consuming process. So Lure watched
pretty much all of them, and then we would have
a system where we would you know, earmark them ones

(22:39):
that were really really good and ones that were pretty good,
and ones that were like funny, and then there was
you know, obviously there's ones that were no and so
all the really really good ones we'd filter through less
every couple of days and then we'd all have a
have a call together and talk about it. And as
it got closer and closer, and it got down to
we all three of us and Brad Sands would kind

(23:02):
of made the decision on who the finals were. And
then when we went down and did the the actual
tryouts in LA. After each performance lesson, Larry would go
in private, and that's where you would see them sitting
on the couch talking like in the Derby videos. Yeah,
you know, like and then Lure and less would just

(23:22):
be sitting there just talking about how the experience was
with each drummer. I wasn't sitting there and for that
that was like just them an agent, oh would do
that and Cage would film. But yeah, when it got
right down to yeah, I was. I was definitely right
there at the moment, you know, but up to the
Gurgo moment. You know, they didn't tell me who they

(23:44):
were going to pick over, Gurgo or Hoffman, But I
was definitely there right up to the exact moment when
we all went down to the station.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Did certain people who were present have input into the
choice or was it pretty much.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
All No, it was it was between Lesson Larry, Lesson Larry. Ultimately,
I was kind of like the third wheel, but not
an ultimate decision maker. I was heavily leaned upon for
influence and opinion however you want to describe it. But
it was ultimately up to Lesson Larry, you know, and

(24:19):
me and Brad were kind of the other two included
in opinions up to the very final moment.

Speaker 8 (24:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Me is more so because I've been around a goddamn
band since the eighties and through every facet. Is why
less I'd be involved, because I kind of knew what
it had to be, you know. It was really easy
for me to know who was not going to fit
in with just watching videos, you know for sure.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Well, it's really great that you had a voice in
the conversation.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, it's a very honorable position to be and it
was the first time I'd ever done anything like that,
and I was glad. I was primus, you know, because
I do know so much goddamn about it about what
the drumming situation has been for thirty five years or
forty years, ever long it's been. Yeah, for sure, Thanks
for some of those details.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Yeah, Tim, did you ever get angry watching the videos
because people were not paying attention whatsoever to the to
the cues that Lisz provided. Yes, I got angry.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I will tell you a funny, funny story. I'm not
going to reveal anything dumb, but it was frustrating at times,
you know, when you've got to sit there for four hours,
for two I think we went almost seven weeks before
I finally said, dude, this is if people are repeating
sending in It's like, we have to stop. We found
enough dudes that are really fucking good, and enough is enough.

(25:52):
But it started wearing on my family, you know, sitting
there on my computer for four hours at the kitchen
table and screaming and yelling at the screen and god
damn it, fucking yeah, play something that's not Jerry was
a Race Car Driver. Anybody can play that goddamn song.
It's like, dude, okay, you've got a dildo strapped to
your head. You're playing Jerry as a race car driver.

(26:13):
It's like that's when you know, me and Larry started
getting frustrated because there was no guideline at first, you know,
which was cool. A lot of people just sent in
really cool shit, you know, and I'm on top of everything.
But you know, when you get through a thousand videos
in a few days and seventy five percent of them

(26:34):
is dudes in their bedroom playing Jerry was a Race
car Driver, It's like, then finally, less is like, okay,
let me do another thing. And that's when you put
out that, Hey, okay, you can play primus. What else
can you do? Send some other stuff in we really
want to see what you can do. Obviously, if you're
trying out for Primus, you can play Primis, you know.
So I wouldn't say getting mad, it's just getting frustrated.

(26:56):
Like I wanted a lot of dudes that were really
good to do more of what they could do, you know,
and it would be some dudes would send in ten
full song video clips of them playing Primus songs, and
it's like, all right, I mean, send send me two
clips of that. I mean I would only watch two
bits of that, and then it's like you look through

(27:18):
the list and there that's it. You know, it's like
ten Primas songs, like okay, next. I can't sit here
and wait through every minute of every Primas song. One
out of six thousand dudes plays, you know, sends in.
So it was difficult and frustrating in that sense, but
obviously it's it's it's what we asked for. You know,

(27:39):
anybody out there send us some videos. I mean, you
got what we asked for, and it was a lot
of work, but you know, I stuck it out and
went through every single one of those goddamn things because
everybody deserved a fair shake. You know, like Larre said
that in one of the interviews. You know, he tried
to not watch them all, but it got to the
end where he just shit was going on. He just
couldn't watch every single one every single night. It yep,

(28:01):
I did, Thanks for that.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Our next question is from the young man who wrote
that beautiful song for you.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Soya. So here's a question from Brooks.

Speaker 11 (28:11):
Soya, Okay, this is mister Brooks's delight. I caught a
pick from one mister lur laalone back on the Naga
Hide tour and the pick was like the same color
green as the cover of the album, and it had
some words inscribed on it. Those words were salami tits.

(28:34):
Had the words salami tits on the pick, and I
was wondering if you might be able to shed some
light on why the pick had those words on it.
Was it some kind of inside joke. I'm assuming it was. Yeah,
if you could let me know what's up with salami tits?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
You got me on that one. That is actually something
that goes on in the rock and roll world with
guitar players like to be very inside joking crafty with
their picks. I know that for a fact because I
have a whole both of them from every genre of
musicians I've been around. I try to always collect it
slammy Tit's is a good one. I have not seen

(29:16):
that one. I've seen some nug eyed picks that have
the little dude on the trike and little bicycle. I
think is the one that's been pretty much the main one.
I'm going to ask laurr about that one. I'll get
back to you. I will find out about that, But
that could just be some random funny joke that came
up and put it on his pick. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
That'll be some miscellaneous debrief for a future episode that
I'll be very.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Excited to report back on. Yeah, you know my favorite
pick that I have, I think of all the ones.
There was a dude that was a guitar tech for
the Rolling Stones. What was his name? I can't remember
because I was around the Rolling Stones with Sheryl Crowe
for a bunch of stuffs, and those guys would always
give us picks and set or whatever the heck if

(30:00):
we wanted it. Never got a drumstick though from Charlie
I did get to lead him. The dude was like
would come up with funny shit, and Eric Clapton always
got he was Clapton's guys. So Clapton had funny ones.
Some of the Stones guys had him. But one of
the ones, I think it was one he gave or

(30:21):
he came up with for Clapton it or it was
either Clapton as Keith Richards was was Burnt Snorkel. And
that's what the It had the rolling Stones tongue and
you flipped it over it, said Burnt Snorkel. There was
that one, and the other one was It's all gone
tits Up was another one, so Salome tits Man. Yeah,

(30:46):
that's a good one. I will ask Larry that one
soon because I like to know what this Lommi tits
story is myself.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
So I figured it out.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
I'll tell Josh and he can bring it up in
a miscellaneous debris in a future episode. Figure that one out.
We'll get to that one. Put that one hold, happy
to solve that mystery.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
The next question is a text question from friend of
the pod Gene Meyer, who asked, why did Primus never
release an actual live album? I know you guys had
mentioned there were plans to do one around ninety five
ninety six, and it got scrapped.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
But I was wondering why. And that's a.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Great question from Gene because we got a just a
killer live cut of Duchess recently. That's the B side
to a Little Lord Fentanyl, and that just that just
wedded my appetite for a live release.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, that's that's an interesting question. Over the years, we
recorded tons of stuff. I mean there are B sides,
bonus tracks, live from here, live from there. Frankie probably
knows about the official release ones, of course, or around
why there was not an official live album. Maybe the

(31:58):
fact that Suck on This came out live at the
gate Less it's like, fuck that I don't want to
do a live album ever again, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Could be Actually I wanted to Actually, yeah, I wanted
to highlight something that Less himself told us during our
bucket of Bernie Brain's chat, because we did bring up
the live stuff and he said that some live stuff

(32:28):
is there waiting to be released, but he just doesn't
get around to it. I think he feels bored going back.
He has to sit through shows, he has to pick songs,
and I think it's just not appealing enough for him.
He has other things on his plate, and he's more
excited about doing doing new things. So that's why live
releases keep getting stalled.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I can totally understand that. I mean, I know how
Less gets busy with all of his bands and all
of his projects. It's time consuming. It's like trying to
find a new drummer and asking the world to send
in your videos. It's like it takes time. Man. They
did that live Hallucinogenics thing though, right, Genetics absolutely, and

(33:13):
that did really well, sold a million copies. I mean,
that's not a live album. I mean, I guess it
kind of is. I'll call it a live release. Sure.
I think it's interesting that the first thing that has
come out from Hoffman after Fentanyl was a live cut

(33:34):
of Duchess got released. Is cool, definitely. I mean that
shows you're right there that Less is interested in everybody
hearing them with Hoffer, how killer it is, you know,
and how much he's enjoying it. He wants everyone to
hear it live, not just that little recording, you know.
I mean, who knows when they're going to be able
to get into write and make a whole new record,

(33:55):
So what better way than to go check this out,
you know, And the cool thing was that they did Duchess,
which is the one song that Hoffer was the only
one that picked in the week in la of tryouts
sendature too. Yeah. Yeah, there was two spots on like
the set list was what, you know whatever, There was

(34:16):
four songs that everybody had to play. Then there was
a two the last second to last two slots where
you picked the song and one was Duchess or Sam
last salmon Man, and then Tommy or Jerry something Jerry
correct Hoffin was the only one that picked Duchess. And

(34:38):
so that, you know, it struck lesson as not odd
but as cool. You know that that meant that, Okay,
one of this dude's like thinking outside that everybody's going
to pick the regular songs.

Speaker 12 (34:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
So I thought that was really cool that that that
got released, you know, and I I heard it, you know,
let's send it to me immediately after they started mixing it,
and I was like, dude, that's fucking amazing. Man, like
that that dude is on the path man, yea to
some killer primus right here.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
So yeah, that could that could grease the wheels for
a future live release.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Good, you know it definitely could. Again, it boils down
to lesson lear having the time to sift, sift through it,
pick a show or have to listen to a bunch
of shows and picket.

Speaker 11 (35:18):
You know.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, I'd lean on Matt Wineger for that, for that
mixing again, because that recording sounds.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, that's green Grammy winning Grammy winning producer Matt Weininger.
Remember after he won his first Grammy, he was there
at that Beanpole show at the fillmore right, Franky.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, we come out with him. It was life changing.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah, it was. It was right after he won that
first Grammy. And the first thing I asked him when
we started chatting, I was like, dude, so it's your
phone just like ringing off the hook now you Grammy
Award winning legend. And he's like, Nope, actually it's not.
He's like you would think, but it's not ringing any
more than it was before. I want a Grammy, So
there you go.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
LB.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I think he's won two now, hasn't He's got two now?

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, he's well on his way to a third
if he does a Primus live record.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
See now we're talking, I think uh uh not only
was Primus up for that one of his Big Brown
Beaver Grammy. But Jason Mills was up for a Grammy
for the surround Sound. Yes, uh, he's the cheese surround sound.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
It's correct. Yes, five point one mixing where they were nominated. Indeed,
I don't remember who won it, but I know they
were nominated.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, I don't. Probably that was the year the U
two album came out on everybody's phone. I'm not sure
that's a that's a bummer. Yeah, all right. Our next
question is an interesting one.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
Hello, Tim Sawyer and Primus Trek. Was just identify myself
as Mega for Radio as my Instagram name is. My
question is, uh, is it? Is there any real lyrics
to the Pork Soda song off the album Pork Soda
and and h and will they ever be revealed?

Speaker 10 (37:17):
Just ask mister.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
This is a second. Ye is there any real lyric?
Isn't that he sings a bunch of cornball stuff in that?
Doesn't he about a little of thought thing?

Speaker 9 (37:34):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (37:34):
And those those words are not printed in the booklet Ah,
that might be what he's getting at. You know, I
wasn't around at the Pork Soda recordings they did that
at Ultrasound with Derek Featherstone.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
And I was on tour with Victims Family at the
time when they did that, so uh, I wasn't part
of that recording process or writing process. I don't, I don't.
I can't answer that question in a sense of I
don't know what the words are to begin with. And
number two, who knows what that means? That's about what

(38:09):
Lesson's talking about. I don't know. He has that kind
of thing up his sleeve all the time, you know.
So yeah, I do.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I would recommend that anybody that wants to try to
transcribe them to hunt down the Fromage or Hallucinogenetics performances
those soundboards, because the vocals are a little bit easier
to hear than they are on the record. I don't
think I've tried ever to transcribe.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Frankie, you don't have that transcribe somehow.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
We don't have We don't have the pork Soa lyrics
or the Green Ranger ones for that matter. Those are
two songs that stand out in death sense that there
are some parts that we still don't know what Lis
is saying to this day.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yeah, and those those those legal pads are going to
be the ones Frankie looks for when he brings.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Into the dairy and rifling legal pads that I know
where they're at. Yeah, I see where this is going.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Can you drop a pin on Google Maps for Frankie.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
He'd appreciate it. Next time I'm at Rancho relaxo if
I can remember. Oh, well, that could be. That could
be one of the great mysteries of Primus. You know,
that will never get resolved unless Less actually divulges what
he's actually saying. I don't know, it's you.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Know, some of these questions I think are better left unanswered.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Well, I said, there are good questions. I love, deep
questions that even stump me being so close, like there's
things that not even I know.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Maybe you'll know the answer to this next question from
our palace Satchko.

Speaker 13 (39:47):
Hey, so Yahka here. First of all, I just want
to thank you for that time in New Orleans doing
a Wanka tour. You hooked me up with some Primus
setlists and the drumstick. Thank you very much. Here's my
question for you. I am curious if you know anything
about Less's cat Aloisious, the cat mentioned in Nature Boy.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Thanks man, lyrical explanations, Well, before I answer the question,
I will say, of course, it's a pleasure to hand
fans sticks and picks and set list is one of
my favorite things to do as an employee of bands.

(40:34):
I love to take care of the fans. So you're
very welcome on that one. Ask me anytime if you
know him around, I will always hand that stuff out.
As far as the lyrics to Nature Boy, first of all,
I don't know if I could even answer that one either,
But Frankie, can you tell me what she's talking about?
Can you read the line? I'm not I can tell
you what it is. The lyric is I have my kitty.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
His name is Aloisious Stroke stroke him.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
So is that a fictional cat or is that a
real cat that Less had around the house.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
I know that the actual cat that they had for
a while was called Annibal, I think, and he had
an Instagram page.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Was that recent though? Because I know his daughter that
was a while ago.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Lena used to post on that page, but.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
That would have been a later cat of Lina. She
had cats always.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
I've never heard about Ala Wisha's being like an actual thing.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
If you go back to pork soda. Let's think about this.
That would be when Les was living in Berkeley Cheney
pre kids. I'd only been to that house a couple
of times. It's where they recorded the Sausage record. Actually,
I wouldn't know if they had cats. That would be
a less question that goes beyond me. That's a lyrical
stuff is as you all know. Less it's really private

(41:52):
about singing and around people in the studio and divulging
any lyrics even to me, even if I ask about it.
I think the one time I only asked him about
lyrics point blank because I was was unaware that he's
very tight lipped about it was I asked him about
nut butter when we were recording punch Bowl. I was
perplexed that, Like I was like, are you because you

(42:14):
know I'm hearing him, we're mixing it or we're recording it.
I wasn't there when he sang it, But all of
a sudden, one day there's they're singing that we're overdubbing
guitars to it. Was like, oh, you did, okay, And
so I'm like listening to it and I asked him, like, well,
what the fuck does this song mean? Who the fuck is,
you know, professor not better? And so we were shooting

(42:35):
pool in the whatever in the other room and he
kind of explained it to me and about the inch
worm and all that. I was like, Uh, that's claypool, right, Okay,
why am I asking him? It's not gonna ever make sense.

Speaker 8 (42:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
So I do not know what about the cat alowishes?
That would be a less question. Let's put that in
in the bucket of questions for miscellaneous debris. And if
I can remember to ask last next time I talked
to him, I'll see if I can get it out
of him when we're sitting around having a beer, fishing
or something.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
The next question is about drums, so I think you'll
have an answer.

Speaker 12 (43:10):
Hello, this is val in La. I was just wondering,
mister Soya, if you came out of the womb with
two drumsticks in your hands, and if that wasn't exactly
the case. I was wondering what little Timmy Soya was
exposed to when he was just a wee lad. Were
you watching variety shows? Did your parents play good music?

(43:31):
Were they trying to make you learn recorder in school?
Or were you just always hardcore I.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Would love to see little Timmy Soya fourth grade rocking
the recorder.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Okay, question one. No, I did not come out of
the womb with drumsticks in my hand. I actually got
exposed to music through my parents, of course, was pretty
tepid at best Fleetwood Mac Rumors and Hotel California and
Baloney pants like that ste Lee Danne, which was okay.

(44:03):
There was a moment in my life when I was
very young. I remember we went to some picnic kind
of thing, like a public picnic in the park, barbecue
or something, and there was a band was going to
play and there was a drum set setup and I
just was gravitated to it and went over and this

(44:25):
dude was doing some announcing about a raffle or some bullshit.
I was really little, I can't remember how old I was,
and I was sitting at the drums and I wanted
to play, and I knew the dude was talking, but
I couldn't help tinkering on the drums, tapping him. And
the guy stopped and he was saying, said, Okay, I
guess this little kid over here wants play the drums.
What do you got, kid? And oh shit, and so

(44:46):
I swatted at the drums and that was the moment
I went, okay, I'm going to be a drummer. That
was killer. That's where it started. But then I when
I got into sixth grade, they offered music class. Go
down and check out all the instruments, and obviously they

(45:06):
had snare drum with two sticks, and saxophones and flutes
and trumpets and blah. And for whatever reason, the girl
that was asked before me, what do you want to play?
And she picked the snare drum, so she got the
drum and I had to pick something else, so I
picked that the trumpet. So in sixth grade I played

(45:27):
the trumpet. In seventh grade, my mom made me join
the band to play the trumpet. And being in the
band and looking to my right and seeing the drum
section and the two dudes playing snare drum and bass
drum and percussion were fucking off the whole time with
drumsticks in their hands and they were blowing into a
piece of metal. I said, this is fucking bullshit. I'm
going to be a drummer. I've always wanted to be

(45:48):
a drummer. Why am I playing this trumpet? And now
that's where it became a reality.

Speaker 10 (45:54):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
I stopped band after that, got a drum set, and
then got into high school, and then got cohersed into
getting into the Marching band, and it really went up
hill from there, downhill. All just drum jump drum, drum drums, band,
band band.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Those Marching Band guys are intense. The snares, the quints,
good lord, those guys are in Yeah.

Speaker 11 (46:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I played Crash Symbols for the my freshman year. My
buddy just forced me to do it because he knew
I wanted to be a drummer. I was really shy
about it, and then the potential of me drumming impressed
the dudes, and a bunch of the snare drum guys
graduated and I moved on to the snare drum. So
for three years I played snare drum in the Marching band,

(46:36):
and then of course I was in every other band
I could possibly squeeze into my lineup of classes, to
the point where my mom said, you cannot take any
more band classes. You need to take algebra and you
need to take typing. You can't just be in eight
band classes, which made no sense to me. Why they
offer it. I'm taking it. That's all I want to do.

(46:57):
So of course I got my heavy metal buddies. We
had a satanic heavy metal band. Was great, you know,
on the heels of Slayer had just come out right then,
and nobody knew who they were, so we wanted to
be like them. Hell yeah, Metallica and they were all demo,
demo tape bands that I discovered, So we were trying
to be the heaviest satanic band you can imagine, without

(47:18):
even knowing what that meant. It was great. That'll take
your places. Yeah, look at me now, I answer the question.
Hold on, what was her actual question about me drumming?

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Oh yeah, that was what you were exposed to and
how you got into it, you answered right beautifully.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
All right, Yeah, yeah, my upbringing music was kind of weird.
I got into buying records as a kid, for sure. Unfortunately,
at that age of discovering music, the big fat at
the moment was disco. So oh no, you know, everybody
can diss on disco. I mean I say, disco's sucks,

(48:01):
like you know, everybody else did. But at the same time,
you know, we didn't know any better. In a sense
that Saturday Night Fever was the hottest movie on the
planet at that moment, and Begs soundtrack was the hottest
shit and on the radio at the moment, so we
all thought that was cool to like disco. Well, unbeknownst
to us, there was another band that was way eviler

(48:23):
and crazy that we discovered through the older brother route,
which is the best route to discover the heaviest, hardest stuff.
Was Kiss. Oh yeah, So then we went, wait a second,
why are we listening to disco when there's Kiss? So
we went nose deep into Kiss, only to discover they
released a disco song. Suddenly, I was made for Loving You.

(48:46):
I forgot aure one. So we started to question Kiss
and what what could be heavier? And we turned to
my older brother who was listening to led Zeppelin and
Ted Nugent and the likes. That got me away from
kissing disco and then got into the heavier stuffs. And

(49:06):
then of course we heard Rush Moving Pictures around nineteen
eighty boom, and yeah, that's when the that's everything changed.
And then of course, on the heels of that, or
just two steps past that, we discovered Iron Maiden Number
of the Beast, and that's where the heavy metal turn came.
So that's that's when I got into the hard heavy

(49:28):
metal stuff, and that that type of drumming was the
best ever.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
You know, you that progression, like you were on a
road that you were never going to leave it.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it was funny. And then so you know,
being super into all that drumming and in a silly
band playing double bass and trying to be heavy, and
I never took lessons, so you know, I just you know,
emulated and tried to be as bad ass as I could.
But I had rhythm and I could play, so it
was it was it was decent. I mean, I can
at least say I was decent. But then of course

(50:01):
everybody just started discovering the metal, you know, not just
me turning people onto it in the smoking section at
high school. And then next thing, you know, all these
dickheads that you know, thought I was a punk and
a dipshit would punk bully me because I had long
hair and listened to Metallica, who nobody knew who they were.

(50:23):
All of a sudden, all these guys were wearing Metallica
Master of Puppet's T shirts because they discovered Metallica.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Now that was cool.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
So I took her right turn at that because then
I had met friends and started getting into punk rock,
the Dead Kennedy's and Suicidal and dri and bands like that,
and that's when I met the victim's family guys, and
then they opened my eyes up to a whole nother
plethora of music that I was unaware of, which is
where I got away from. That's right when the hairball
metal started, not I can't even call it metal, the

(50:52):
la hairball, the poisons and all that stuff, you know.
So I went into the punk side of things, and
that's when I really discovered really cool shit drumming no
means no, and you know, bands like oh, obviously Dead
Kennies are pretty insane, but you know, the independent alternative
thing was all still underground at that point, and that's
where I was really striving to be, was underground, you know,

(51:13):
and not MTV as far as what I listened to
and what I wanted to be as a musician, and
Primus of course fell right into that category. Right at
that moment is when I discovered Primus. And you know,
having seen Curveball one time, the next time I saw
him was Jay Lane and it was just face melting
you know like that there it is.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
That's that's that's it.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
It was like when I heard moving pictures the first time.
You know, you're just like, holy shit.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
There it is.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
A revelation. If that's any kind of timeline on my
drumming influences, there you go.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
That's a great one. A lot of great annotations there.
We're going to go from drumming to skateboarding.

Speaker 14 (51:53):
Hey, a greedy friends practice is Ben Cabriona going in
from Santa Maria, California.

Speaker 10 (51:58):
Got a couple of questions.

Speaker 14 (52:00):
I've been skateboarding on the Central Coast for about thirty
years now, and I feel like the first time I
ever heard Primus was because of Plan D Skateboards questionable
video that came out in nineteen ninety two. The intro
song that was used for that video was low Stastados,
and then it was followed by Marine County legend Pat
Juffy using.

Speaker 10 (52:19):
Tommy the Kat.

Speaker 14 (52:20):
I don't know if they got the right to use
those songs back in the early nineties, but that's sort
of a size the point right now.

Speaker 10 (52:25):
Pat is probably the reason.

Speaker 14 (52:27):
Why a lot of skateboarders are huge Primus fans, and
I know that I've seen footage of him backstage, had
a lot of.

Speaker 10 (52:34):
Shows throughout the years.

Speaker 8 (52:36):
He was a.

Speaker 14 (52:36):
Skateboarder that was that had some clips in the DMG
music video. But to somebody that loves Pat and loves
skateboarding and loves Primus, I think it's pretty cool.

Speaker 10 (52:45):
And I was wondering if you had any experience of
meeting Pat Juffy, or if you have any stories about him,
or if you have any skateboarding experience yourself. That last
story that you told about taking the blame for brain
you guys went to the DC factory. That kind of
crashed me up.

Speaker 14 (53:02):
I know that Larry still wears CC's and I don't
know if you still gets on a skateboard or not.

Speaker 10 (53:07):
But started was pretty cool and I was really curious,
what question when sooy needs a beer? What kind of
style of beer do you like? What's your favorite kind
of beer? Let me know, maybe we can have one sometime.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Thanks, guys, keep it up, please skateboarding and beer. All right,
I can answer these questions. Well, let's start with the
skateboarding thing. Yeah. Well, the absolute reason for the Pat
Duffy connection is Larry Lalande used to date Pat Duffy's

(53:40):
sister Karen Duffy back in the old days, back when
he first joined Primus, that was that wasn't a girlfriend
when he joined Primus, but very shortly after he got
together with Karen. They were together for a very long time.
So Pat Duffy was around. Of course, always hung out

(54:01):
with Pat Duffy, you know. And Lure was a big skateboarder.
I was a skateboarder till I started drumming, and I
stopped because I hurt my wrist skateboarding one time when
I had a gig, So I pretty much gave up skateboarding,
like on the spot, because I drumming was more important
than me getting injured skateboarding. But yeah, Lure always supported

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Pat Duffy. And when he put that video out, he
obviously wanted to use the Primus music because Primis was
still up and coming at that point, and of course
they said yes because it's you know, good advertisement to
get them out there with the crowd of kids that
already really were into Primus. So yeah, and I had
many many times having beers and hanging out with Pat Duffie.

(54:44):
He's a really cool dude. I actually saw him not
too long ago. It was really weird. The last time
I did see him was on Duo to Twain. This
is a funny, actual weird story. Me and Jason Mills
were driving from the Bay Area down to do the
very first Duo A Twang show on the run that

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we were starting, which was West Coast, and the first
show was at a place called the Belly Up Tavern,
which you might know in Salana Beach, which is just
north of Santa Barbara I believe, or it's between Santa
Barbara and La I can't remember exactly where it's at.
As we were driving down there, we were talking about
stupid shit, and for some reason I pondered in my
head something came up in my brain about Pat Duffy,

(55:27):
and I was like, you know, when you're driving down
I five for five hours, you just sit there and
think about dumb shit. You run out of stuff to
talk to with the other dude in the truck, so
you're thinking about stuff. One of the things that randomly
came up in my mind was Pat Duffy, and I
was like, oh, man, I have not seen Pat Duffy
in years. I can't even remember whatever. You know, go

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on to the next thing. We get to the BELLYO
we do. The fucking show was totally hilarious, totally sold out,
you know, of course, like whatever, eight hundred kids crammed
into some little bar, some big bar. We get done.
Low itout took about fifteen minutes. Grab some beers are
standing around the back and fucking turn around and Pat
Duffy is fucking standing there. Well, it's up to oiler.

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I was like, you gotta be kidding. I told him
the story that I you know what I just said,
and he's just like, of course he didn't believe me,
you know, because everybody says that when you see somebody
you haven't seen a long time. I was just thinking
about you, dude, but it actually happened, which is really weird.
I'm the only one that will know that it's the
actual truth. But yeah, I do see Pat out again.
That's the last time. When was that shit ten years ago?

Speaker 8 (56:31):
Right?

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I haven't seen him since then. Wow, maybe he was
at a New Year's show. I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
But that's a pretty cool premonition though. And then he's there,
and he.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Was standing there and we stood there, laughing, talking, having
a beer. Catching up. Was cool. Yeah, he's a really
cool dude, and number two question, what is my favorite beer?
I like regular old beer as me and Keyhole like
to call it lawnmower beer. Kind of beer you go
out and sit on the lawnmower for an afternoon and
drink beer the whole time and not get too messed up.
So Miller Highlight Life is one of my favorites. I've

(57:02):
been known to put back the old Budweisers is fine,
but yeah, anything is regular beer. Medello especially als became
the Budweiser of the two thousand, two hundreds or twenty twenties,
so that's been in the fridge quite often in the
last ten eight years, just because it's everywhere in every store.
But Miller High Life is my favorite. How about that?

(57:23):
Right on?

Speaker 4 (57:23):
My grandfather had a Miller High Life with dinner every
night for the last forty years of his life.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Legendary. You bet, yes, of course we'll have a beer
if there's a chance. Any beer is fine. I'll choke
an ipa down if that's all there is. But I
don't like them. How about that Ben's buying? Yeah, Well,
you know, you go to a bar and all I
got is ipa. I don't say no I'll drink an ipa.
I prefer beer. Logger Pilsner Kolsh is my favorite.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Beautiful calsh absolutely, especially in the hot summer.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Oh man, it's the best, especially in the morning, sun's
coming up, crack of coals, sitting in the garden watering.
Nothing beats it, man, that's the Soya life.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
The next question is actually two questions from our pal
Johnny Pirona, and I'm letting him get away with two
questions because he calls the first one one I know
Soya won't answer, and that is the first one is
is the band that is referenced in Year of the
Parrot the Beastie Boys?

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Is that the one he thinks I won't answer. Yes, Well,
I know the answer to that that the lyrics of
that song spuned out of a conversation lesson I had. Actually,
I'll tell you what I like to call that band,
and you can make your assumptions past that. How about that? Okay?
We usually refer to the band as I got some ideas.

(58:59):
I'm not going to out and outsay it, but I
think you should be able to figure.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
It out by that one right on the second one
is I seem to recall Soya, mentioning that he works
in a coffee shop when he isn't on tour. What's
your favorite coffee region. I imagine that's sourcing as opposed
to drinking.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Well as coffee fanatical and own a cafe as I am,
the roasting process and where the beans come from are
not something I pay as much attention to as I
do to how the flavors are. I travel around the
world and drinking coffee everywhere I go. Obviously I can't
drink the same thing everywhere because I don't don't go

(59:43):
to Starbucks or any of those kind of places. So
I'm always on the hunt for cool places that do
their own beans or you know, roast serve local roasted beans.
I like them all as long as they don't taste
burnt and they're not like dark roast, you know. So
I think the bean, but I think the beans we
use at our cafe is a place out a Sacramento

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called Temple Coffee, which is awesome. They don't do dark roast.
There are a lot of the roseries now don't do
dark roast. That's kind of a fad that was going
around French Rose. French dark roast is awful. I don't
know if any of you guys like that, but I
don't glad that one went away anyway. So Temple Coffee
is super cool. There are my buds. Now. We saw

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all kinds of their stuff. The one that we have
that we use as espresso that I bring it out
on tours with me. I have a little cafe set
up on tour on the side of the stage is
called Dharma and it's their medium roast espresso. And I'm
not sure they're very heavy on the Latin America, so
it's probably a Latin American bean. Nice I could look

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at it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Your espresso on tour seems to have garnered a lot
of fans from the bands that are on tour.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody loves it.

Speaker 10 (01:00:59):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
It's cool. It's fun. It's time consuming, which is cool.
Making people coffees is fun, and it's not catering coffee,
that's for sure. It's funny because out on here on
the tour I'm on currently, they have one of those
machines in catering that's you know, you have the little
pod you pop in, not the espresso wards the little

(01:01:23):
cup of goo. It's like they're actual little compressed pods
of coffee grounds and anyway you slice and dice any
of those machines, it's garbage if he ask me, right.
So that's why me and drummer dude I work for,
we decided to build this cafe so that we could
have good coffee. And he's got to set up he
has in his room. I have my setup at the gigs.

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I used to bring it back and forth from my
hotel room to the Gigs, and I kind of gave
up on that because it's just too much carrying around
back and forth. So I just go out and find cafes,
which I'm very happy every city I'm in. I've got
a great cafe right up back of this hotel I
found this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
It's got a little truck. It's got a cafe in
the back. You know it flip up the size. It's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
That's the secret is finding good coffee on the road
and you'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yes, And you might have seen my post, I think,
Josh you mentioned it earlier. I found a really great
little coffee cart in Wimbledon, where we were staying for
the last five or for the first five weeks of
this trip. I was on so I was going there
every day and they were super cool. I'm going to
go back there on Sunday say hi to my friends,
because I make friends everywhere I go.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
He does. It's true.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
All right, We got a couple more here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
This one is This one might be controversial.

Speaker 8 (01:02:43):
Hello, Soya. I recall that you and Les had a
disagreement about the superior sauce that is available at Del Taco.
I believe that Les said Del Inferno is superior because
it's hotter, but you disagreed because you believed that Delscorco
was a better sauce since it has a better flavor.
I was just wondering if you had come around to

(01:03:04):
the correct decision and embraced the Del Inferno as the
superior sauce. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Very interesting. You are on the right track, but you're
at the wrong restaurant. What's missing. The storyline that she
has is correct about our disagreement on hot sauces, but
it was at Taco Bell. There are not many Dell
Tacos around Sonoma County. If there even is any, I

(01:03:35):
don't think there is. So if we ever did eat
fast food, it was always Taco Bell. We never did
the McDonald's. We never did the Jack in the box
and the burger. It'd be my head burger king now
and again, Lessons all into the whoppers, Junior child Burg
chiw that burg. We used to eat Bergs all the time.
And in fact, Child the burg came from I think

(01:03:57):
I might have told you guys, you know that story, right,
I don't need to tell that. Let's go back to
the hot sauce thing. Right near Less's house there was
a Taco Bell, so in the breaks of recordings sometimes
we'd go hit Taco Bell whatever, you know. Every once
in a while, year do you we got to hit
ta cabilluger right. I always liked the medium Taco Bell

(01:04:19):
hot sauce, which was fine. I didn't go to Taco
Bell to get spicy Mexican food. I just had the
flavor of it, you know, I really really liked And
of course, you know, Less like the the hot ah
and so he would always give me shit that. You know, dude,
it's like, you're always getting hot, spicy sauces everywhere we go.

(01:04:40):
Why do you get that medium sauce? Why don't you
get the hot? The hot's way better, dude, it's totally spicy,
and I had to finally go, dude, I don't want
the hot, spicy sauce on my Taco Bell.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
I like it with the media, you know, it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
So stupid and trivial. But that's where did you hear
about that? That's did I tell that story? I must
have us must have been in some Taco Bell something
we were talking about. But I do like the hot
sauce to Taco Bell. I have eaten Taco Bell maybe
two or three or four times in the last twenty years.
Since then, I still get the medium. I do grab

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a hot and do hot as well, so I have
come around. As far as Del Taco is concerned. I
might have only been Del Taco twice in my entire life,
and once was recently staying in Burbank at the Marriott
that's right across the street from the airport where a
lot of crews stay. Went because of rehearsal room that's

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very popular is right up the street after hours after
the time of about eight o'clock. There's no food around
there unless you take an uber out, and if you
get so sick of the hotel expense, the only thing
right there across the street is the Denny's, a McDonald's
and a Del Taco. Oh man, And one time in
the last couple of years, I just I got to

(01:05:59):
try this Del Taco. I have not hat Del Taco
in twenty years. And I went and got Del Taco
and I got one of every sauce, scorcher you said,
and something. I think I tried them all. But the
taco was so shitty. Oh, it just wasn't Taco Bell.
If I'm going to eat something shitty like that, my
mouth wants and my taste boats want Taco Bell. Yes

(01:06:22):
it was. It was underwhelming, to say the least.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
So whether I liked or disliked the scorcher sauce, I
can't remember, but I'm sure it was as good as
what I was going to get for what I was eating. So, yeah,
you make a good You do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Make a good point, though, because when I go to
eat garbage food, it's the garbage food whose taste profile
I know, and it's imprinted on me, and it's you know,
whatever chemicals they put in it did the job, and
I want it and I don't want any variation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Man. I'll tell you back back in the nineties when
we toured around Primus, we would hit the McDonald's. Particularly overseas.
It's all in the roady touring world. It was known
as the American Embassy. Was you meant you were going
to the McDonald's, right, because back in the nineties it
was hard to find good food or you know, English

(01:07:16):
menus and it was easy to just go to a
McDonald's and get a burger and some fries and be
done with it, you know, and then you ate. Then
you could go drink beer and have food inside you.
But I will say, god damn, a couple times on
the Child that Bird tour area nineties you'd go to
like a McDonald's in Switzerland or something, and it just

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was different.

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
It was better.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I mean, pulp fiction and all. It's all of what
John Travolta says. It's different, it's better. There's something about it.
I mean, obviously it's different meat because it's from Europe somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
But McDonald's in Japan is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
And McDonald's in Japan is I don't know if amazing
is the word. I think interesting is a better description
of it. I've been to Taco Bell in Shibuya now,
as well. Actually was interesting. It's was more Taco Bell
than McDonald's. Was McDonald's. But yes, I have eat McDonald's
in Japan with the Primus guys in ninety six when.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
We were there, and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
The regular burgers were great, but they also had the
fish burger. They had the burger with the raw fish
on it. I mean they had just bizarre stuffs. Was amazing.
We didn't try any of that stuff, but it was
available still, is Frankie you been at Japan? Had the McDonald's. Yes,
got head back gets him.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
By the way, Lance Montoya has his own sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
I wonder if Lance has a scorcher at McDonald's. What
are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
No, I mean Lance Montoya he has been selling his
own sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Oh he has like a hot, hot pecante Mexican sauce
kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Yeah, that's right, right right, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
The singer for Offspring has one too, is really good
actually called Gringo Bandido. I recommend ah. I haven't heard
of that one. I'm going to get check you to.
Actually really good. Josh, do you have a Smart and
Final in your area? I have no idea what that is.
It's like a bargain market, like a gross me out,
gross grocery outlet kind of place. Oh, okay, I got

(01:09:23):
a grocery outlet. That's about it. They might have it there.
I just know Smart Final has it. We used to
go there for products for our cafe and we would
always grab a bunch of jars of the Gringo Bandido,
which is the Dexter Holland what's is that his name? Right? Yeah?
That sounds familiar. Yeah, he's on the He's on the
label with the somburrow and some sunglasses on. But I

(01:09:44):
laughed when a buddy of mine told me this stuff's great.
What and he worked for the dude, and so he
gave me a couple of bottles and I was like,
this is fucking good. Actually nice. There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
We got we got one more, Josh, I have one more.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Okay, we have one more question here, soya. And usually
when you're on here with a bass player, you issue
a challenge, and I wanted to close this one because
there's a young man who issued the challenge to himself.
The note is, soya, can you rate my Tommy the cat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
I'm seventeen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
I've only been playing bass for about two years, but
playing has always kind of come naturally to me. I've
worked my ass off on this song and I'm confident
with it. Curious to know what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
All right, send it. I'm gonna be honest, I'll tell
you that right now. That's pretty good. You're on the

(01:11:23):
right path there. Pal sounds great. Can give it about
a six five six five and a half. There's so
many subtleties to that and in trick ases. Yeah, I
mean it's got all the notes are in there, and
he's plucking it pretty good. Uh yeah, it's a little
flop floppy and flippy and floppy, but yeah, decent. It's

(01:11:46):
it's it's good enough that you would know what it
is if if you weren't told what you were going
to play. Yeah, give it that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
It sounds like he's got the outline and now it's
uh filling it in is the next step.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Yeah, there's a flow to that song as opposed to
playing it this part and that part and then this
party and that party end. Like that's that's the one
key to that thing? Is it just really just cruises along?

Speaker 10 (01:12:10):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Yeah, Yeah, there you go, kiddo. There's some free advice.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Keep it up and you're doing good. It sounds great. Definitely,
Frankie approves.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
So I got to open it with a question, Frankie,
would you like to close it with a question?

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Oh God, come on, Frankie, give me something.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
I think you're the right guy to ask this question.
The Suck On This Caroline CD is readily available the vinyl.
We know that the big prong is the first press,
very rare to come by. But even scarcer, even rarer,
is the Red twenty two cassette tape. Do you have

(01:12:53):
any clue why that is so rare?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Did it actually come out on cassette on Red twenty
two songs?

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Yes, the spine reads Red twenty two and the text
is blue as supposed to white, which is very easy
to find. You.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Could you have the cassette? You can find have it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Yeah, and it's scarce or very scarce, very difficult to
come by.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
I think the answer to that is easy enough that
there's no money to just print tons of that shit.
By the time Caroline came along, Suck On This was like, whatever,
we'll put that on, Caroline. We're not going to put
on tens of thousands in each format, and we're going
to move on to the album that we're releasing, you know,

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so I'm actually surprised did Caroline put that out as
Red twenty two? Is that what you're saying. I don't
remember Less making cassettes, so that had to have been
a Caroline thing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
So give me a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
You got to get rid of your weird screen if
we can, for us to see anything, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
Suck on this cassette tape pro song Red twenty two,
nineteen eighty nine, manufactured in the United States. Yes, and
the text is blue right there, and the spine reads
Primus Suck on this prom song Red twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Yeah, crippy that now, okay, so this is okay, here's
my take. I'm not giving you an actual answer of
truth or fact. My take on what that is is
when Primus had already put out suck on this and
it obviously started snowballing and generated much interest, if they
got picked up by Caroline, and that's the only thing

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they had, Caroline would have put money into keeping that
going until they could get frizzle fry out, if you
know what I'm saying. And with cassettes being a format
that Less wasn't able to afford because he was only
able to do the LPs. Obviously, Caroline might have said, hey,
we'll we'll put some money in and put out another

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pressing of Suck on This on Red twenty two, and
we'll do some cassettes and then that's it, and then
we're going to move right into Frizzle Fry. It's got
to be where those came from, because I know Less
didn't pay for that. I can ask him, but I've
never even seen that, to tell you the truth.

Speaker 10 (01:15:26):
Very rare.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yes, it's not a bootleg.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
Eh No, it's official.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
What does the cassette say on the actual tape? There's
no other funky information on that prawn song? Pretty standard
stuff there, Yeah, published my sturgeon. I mean it could
easily be. Yeah, that's got to be some kind of
Caroline money involved in that that they they kept it
pumping until they could get Frizzle Fry actually outs. Plus

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that's another buzzing question.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Tim.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Wow, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
We are piling up the miss stories here on Better
Call Soya man.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
So that bucket's got some tasty morsels in there to
be figured out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
It sure does cats and lyrics and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Perms herm drawings. That's a grab bag right there and
a half. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Bet that's my takeaway, Perms. That's that's my word of
the day.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
The perm. So.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
I hope we broke up the monotony of life on
the road, hotel life and just.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Give you a little bit of a break. I love it, man,
This is this is what I know. The best is Primus.
So it's fun for me to wake up in the
middle of the night and talk about Primus. I don't
mind at all. Actually, in fact, we're going to do
an episode with Hoffman coming up here. Ray we get
that figured out yet.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
We would love that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
So I would love to get that nailed down.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Yes, we will go crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Thank you so much. So for waking anytime. I mean whenever, dude,
I don't care if it's an episode I'm into. I'll
do it whenever I can. I don't get a cramp
about waking up whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
Here's a little here's a little nugget for you, Tim.
There's a recording from the Brown album Days where Liz goes, Okay,
we're going to do an old Oasis number, and then
he goes into my name's mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Oh nice, because he knows about there is the funny story.
I think I told you guys the story of me
and Oasis to try to borrow a symbol from the
drummer and he wouldn't let me use it. Oh, I
don't remember that. Yeah, it's funny that that was at
a festival in Holland in nineteen ninety four called Lowlands.
Victim's family was kind of ending the nineties run we

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had over here, and you're like third on the top,
third from the top, on the second stage of a
big ass, you know, eighty thousand people festival was killer.
Oasis was playing right before us, and obviously definitely maybe
if it had even come out at that point, it
would had only been out for a week, so nobody
even knew who they were, particularly in Holland. They were

(01:18:11):
from England at that time, so nobody was in the
tent when they played, and my symbols were broken, and
I asked the drummer drum tech if I could use
the symbol and he said the mass and drummer came
back he said, yeah, drummer says no, so come on.
So we ended up we go out and watch Oasis
for a second. Well, it was a big, gigantic circus tent.

(01:18:32):
We pull the curtain and I looked to see who
the fucking guys are, Like, what's going on? This guy
won't even let another fellow drummer. Bar was a symbol
and they were playing their jingly jangly Oasis stuff and
didn't do anything for me at the moment. I only
watched a couple of minutes, you know, and the fucking
tent was empty, like empty empty, like you could count

(01:18:53):
less than fifty people were in the tent watching these guys,
which is par for the course if nobody does who
the fuck you are and you're playing on one of
the sides, say ages at a festival. I think Cypress
Hill was on the main stage while they were playing, right, oh,
they're going to take everybody. Yeah, And so ironically we
go to roll our stuff out after they got done,
and we set up and line checked, and they were

(01:19:14):
still the tent was fucking empty, like nobody had come in,
you know, because Cypress Hill was still playing, and so
we kind of thought, oh, we're going to play to
an empty tent as well. Whatever, Okay, we get it.
You know, it's a festival. We're not that big, you know.
We go out to play. Ten minutes later, there's fucking
goddamn thirty thousand people cramped into this tent and all

(01:19:35):
around it people going fanatical or Victim's family was amazing. Wow.
So we took that as a trophy against the asshole
that wouldn't let me use the symbol. Right, And if
you can fucking believe this, the other day, I'm sitting
in catering eating lunch with a bunch of our roadies,
you know, back line guys. One of the dudes that's
sitting with us is this guy Phil. And Phil is

(01:19:58):
Noel Gallagher's personal assistant, takes care of his dressing room,
and he's his buddy, and he's been around Oasis forever,
as I'm told, super funny dude, like kind of the
Soya of Primates. Is Phil with Noel an Oasis, Right, Yeah,
one of those dudes has been there forever. And we're
sitting there having lunch, and he's got a magazine, music
magazine in his hand, and he's talking to these guys
and I can barely figure out what the hell they're

(01:20:19):
talking about half the time, because once English dudes start
talking fast, their slang gets really thick, and you really
got to pay attention. I mean, even though I can,
I've been around it for a long time, it still
gets hard to understand. So they're talking, I'm just eat
my lunch. I'm like, yeah, but everyone I could see.
He's got this music magazine and he's showing dude the
picture on the cover, and then he turns it and

(01:20:41):
shows the other dude sitting next to me a guitar
tech and I'm like, what is that. Let me see that, Phil,
And he shows me and it's this music magazine and
it's a picture of Oasis and they're really young, and
he's like, you see that. I'm like, yeah, who's that dude?
And I point to the dude in the middle of
the band on the cover. They're standing there backstage or something,
and he's like, that's me. I'm like, oh really, I

(01:21:02):
mean ninety four, that was what thirty one years ago,
so all of us look different after thirty one years.
So I'm like, oh, that's you. He as a kid,
like why the fuck are you on the cover. He's like,
oh mate, He's like, this is in nineteen ninety four,
when Oasis just came out. We were doing some gig
and this magazine copy dudes came down to do an interview,

(01:21:24):
took a picture and I happened to be standing there
when the dude took the picture, and they didn't know
that I wasn't in the band, so they still put
the picture on the cover of this magazine. I've just
saved it. I brought it down to show so and
so and so and so some other buddies. I was like, ah,
I saw Oasis in ninety four. He's like, no way,
how would you have seen Oasis in ninety four? And
I said, well, here's my story. And I told him

(01:21:46):
the fucking story, and sure as mother fucking shit, he goes, Dude,
I was the dude that told you you can't borrow
the symbol. I was the roady for Oasis. Then I
was the only dude that was their roadie, and I
was setting up the gear. I remember that showed in
the big circus tent and I remember setting up It's like,
I don't remember that moment, but it would have been me.

Speaker 8 (01:22:06):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
I was the one only one that was setting up
the drums at Wow, Like, dude, you're in the dude
that told me no that maybe hate Oasis until they
are paying me a ship ton of money to work
for them, all right? Cool? Right? Yeah? Allays forgiven? Now,
allays forgiven? Now it was cool. I mean, it wasn't
his fault. I was the drummer that ultimately said no.
But it just put the pieces together. That that was
the dude full circle on that one in the small world. Man,

(01:22:30):
that is outstanding. Thanks man. Is it coffee time or
nap time for you yet? I don't think he opened
still seven, So I got nothing to do for two
more days. I don't know what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
I don't know if I can collect more questions in
two days, but i'll try.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
If you got more, call me up, I'll do it.
I don't give a shit.

Speaker 8 (01:22:47):
I
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