August 18, 2025 • 45 mins
Primus have completed their first headlining tour with drummer John Hoffman, who has been plenty busy since his hire in January 2025. This latest tour spanned 25 dates in 24 cities over 35 days, in which the band played 47 different songs! We dig into those numbers, the stage production, and the general excitement from the fanbase as Les, Ler, and Hoffer made a mad dash across the United States to establish live rapport, continue to establish their foundation, and just perhaps, toss about some ideas that may become songs for a new record.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Josh freaky. What a couple of dump shits.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello Primates, you found Primus Tracks. Congratulations. There are many
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of the hosts of Primus Tracks. He is also one
of the hosts of Primus Tracks. All the way up
in the thirty ninth floor of Primus Tracks Towers, which
I assume is being filled with all kinds of memorable
and digital files related to the recently completed Onward and
Upward Tour. He's sifting through mountains of data. It's Frankie
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Bears sign.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Hey Josh, Frankie.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We've been on a bit of a break and it
just seemed appropriate for us to resume with a discussion
of the recently completed Onward and Upward Tour with one
John Hoffman on drums. Question for you, what is your
Because I know you've watched every single video that has
been uploaded to YouTube of every single stop on the
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tour from multiple angles of numerous participants, which of course
stands in star contrast to Sussanta, which footage was highly
limited and of low quality. What's your general impression of
the tour what you heard?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
My general impression is that the band was very excited again,
not that they weren't excited to perform before, because I
think they also enjoyed themselves a lot with her, And
if you recall the tour they did last summer, it
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looked like they were having a great time on stage,
but this was kind of a different excitement. It's like
they were reinvigorated. It's like you could tell they couldn't
wait to be on stage. As soon as one show
was over, they couldn't wait for the next one because
they were having such a fantastic time performing together. I
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think they were really feeling each other. They were adventurous
with the set lists in the sense that, yeah, some
shows opened with Tweakers, but also some others opened with
Dirty Drowning Man, American Life, even Welcome to this World.
I mean, everything was up in the air right. Brown
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Rocks is definitely one for the books. I think YEP
attendance as well as the fan base in general are
unlikely to forget that one. I think it was really
fantastic to see our favorite band having such a great time.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I will echo a lot of those sentiments. My general
impression is that this was fueled by that excitement for
Hoffer to get out there on a headliner tour and
just to see what he could bring to the band.
Because we, of course saw the drum derby those of
you that attended, Soasanta got a really good preview of
what he could do. But just letting him loose on
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all kinds of primus material for this onward and upward
tour was what I was most excited about. I got
to see the final two shows in Sacramento, so that's
where I'm going to draw most of my observations. Did
I watched very little video from other shows, but the
excitement was palpable, and I think they had a numerous
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sellouts and pretty big venues around the country, so the
excitement certainly transferred to the fans and it's and all
that positivity for Hoffman followed them around. It was a
lot of fun, I think for them, but certainly for
those of us that pay attention to the set lists
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and check out material from each show.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
This report was also a notorious show with Oh certainly yeah,
with Hoffer's brother on drums, and of course the Greek
Theater with the record for sit ins during a single show.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
A lot of great stuff. We will get into those
details for sure, but of course, as so often happens,
we have miscellaneous debris. I'll start. One of the things
that you may have seen on tour if you attended
one of these shows, was that they were demoing Wamola's Frankie.
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So Packader Instruments was on tour with a Wamola allowing
people to demo it, handing out information cards and stickers,
and so PACKADERM Instruments is up and running. We should
also note that a handful of production line PACKADRM bases
went up for sale recently and sold out in I
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don't know six seconds, So plenty of people are pretty happy,
I'm sure, with their forthcoming production models of a PACKATRM
base and the Wally Nutt. I don't remember if we
talked about that one Frankie, but that one went up
for sale that was used on stage by Less for
quite some time. Beautiful looking bass looks like it ended
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up in the hands of one Justin Chancellor who used
it at the Greek in La So I believe that's his.
That's my understanding at this point. I could be wrong.
I did not confirm that detail with anybody truly in
the know, but that's what it seems to me. Packeterminstruments
dot Com is ramping it up over there, so you
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can check that out for sure, and you've got something.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Frankie Pastor Jazz is playing Japan. Three dates have been
announced so far. There's a festival. There are two dates
at the Blue Note in Tokyo. We gotta wait and
see if more dates are added. Perhaps they'll hit more cities.
The lineup is less Claypool, Mike Dillons, Kerrick and Stanton Moore.
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This is very exciting, I think because Liz have not
set foot on Japan since that festival in two thousand
and four.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Ah, so it's been over twenty years.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, which wrapped up. I mean you may see it
as part of Housingo genetics, or you might see it
as a bonus, but it did book end that era
of Primus and Les have not been there since. We
know that Sausage was supposed to hit Japan and it
never happened. We know that Sean has also voiced his
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enthusiasm for playing Japan with the Delirium, but Bastard Jazz
is the project that will bring Les back to that
incredible country. Now attendance I think are going to be
extremely fortunate.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, they're going to get all improvised sets, right, yeah, yeah,
and who knows what glories await them. I'm curious about
the choice, I guess another piece of miscellaneous debris. At
the very end of the last Sacramento show, Les did
mention that there will be a New Year's Eve of
some sort, which we assume involves Primus. But this represents
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the only confirmed life dates between now and then, so
sounds like it might be a break from the studio
to take that opportunity to go to Japan play him
improvised Bastard jad shows. You know, just show up and improvise,
have fun and enjoy Japan, and then get back to
the grind.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Perhaps I miss As soon as those dates became visible,
I messaged Hissaki Yasuda, and I'm hoping he'll attend one
of those shows because it will be the perfect opportunity
to meet Less in person for listeners wondering who hisaki is.
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He's the artist behind the artwork for the South of
Reality album and he's very enthusiastic about Primus and Less Claypool.
So it will be cool if they meet in person.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I hope that for all parties involved, and mostly you,
so you can enjoy that photo. Yes, do it for
Frankie guys. Let's talk about Onward and Upward. This tour
was the first headliner with John Hoffman after what I've
been terming a soft start with Susanta two point zero,
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and so they went from seven or eight tunes a
night to double that and a highly expanded songbook. And
so that was an excellent use of the Susanta time
in my point of view, which was really lay down
those staple numbers, get those nice and tight, and then
use sound checks and off days to dial in the
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rest of that material. That's seemingly what they did, because
they came out swinging on Onward and Upward, one of
my favorite things. Frankie numbers twenty five shows in thirty
five days through twenty four cities, two different openers, Ty
Siegel on one stretch, monoeon on another. We also were
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treated to three evenings, with of which I saw two.
We had eight different guest performers throughout the tour. Frankie
we had Ty Siegel on Pacoderm quite a bit, and
NIB in Los Angeles we had Mono neeon on pacoderma
bunch as well. That seems to be the common sit
in as a closer for opening acts. Our friend Puddles
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was on NIB in New Orleans. Shortly after the passing
of Ozzy Osbourne. As you mentioned, Hoffer's brother Eddie or Machete.
Eddie played drums with him on Too Many Puppies in
Shreport and that was a funny one because they somewhat
obscured that second drum set behind other gear, so some
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people saw it, some people didn't, so it was probably
a surprise. And then at La and the Greek it
was Guestapalooza with Bill Burr on drums for Too Many
Puppies along with Hoffer, Matt Stone on drums for Thale
and Genjeet. Danny Carey came out for My Name Is Mud,
as well as Justin Chancellor on base during Puppies on
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that new packet m bass, forty seven different songs performed Frankie.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I got, I got a number for you, give me
a number. Bob was only performed once during the tour.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I was going to talk about some of those rare
ones for sure. Are most common tracks performed? You'll never
guess by the way mouth Yep, Welcome to this World
into Mud was the most common track on the tour
twenty two out of twenty five shows. Bob's Party Time
Lounge was the second most common at nineteen performances. Jerry
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was a race car driver at eighteen and somewhat surprisingly,
although if you were keeping track of set list this
wouldn't surprise you. The fourth most common track performed was
Dirty Drowning Man, which is Hoffer's favorite Primus song, seventeen
out of twenty five shows. But we did get some
rarities as far as the tour was concerned. Tracks that
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were only performed once include Bob Putting Time, Mister Crinkle
and Eleven, and those last two Frankie Crinkle and eleven
were both performed one time, only on the last night
of the tour, so they emptied the bucket for sure.
We also had Missus Blalan Hamburger Train, Nib the seven
went on his Big Brown Beaver and Thala Ungenji with
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two performances a piece anti pop, follow the Fool Frizzle
fry Seas of Cheese and to defy the laws of
tradition at three apiece. So those were your most rare
tracks on the tour. Quite a variety throughout the tour
forty seven tunes.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It sounds like Resting Bones was somewhere in the middle right,
not a rarity, but not performed at every stop either.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Bones sixteen out of twenty five shows, sixty four percent.
Pretty good, pretty good clip right up there with a
little Lord Fentanyl, which got fourteen out of twenty five shows.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Who thought we would ever be at an at an
era where rest In Bones and Bob's part the time
with being frequent rotation during the set list.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, it's nineteen ninety seven all over again, and I
couldn't be happier, at least for Bob's Party Time Lounge
for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah, Visuals they changed it up a little bit for
this tour by having footage of the actual band performing
in real time on the screen.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Correct me if I'm wrong. We have never seen that before.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Definitely not on the regular and not on a primus
tour that I can recall. So that was a major change.
Was to have the men of the band projected onto
the video board with those static cameras. That was huge
and I was surprised they did that because they seem
to like to be in the dark, as we know
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as far as stage lighting goes, and they generally were
when they were on shown on camera. I would say
Hofer was the exception.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
There.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You could see Hoffer quite clearly, and I think part
of that was due to him being so close to
the video board because that light being thrown out was
illuminating him. So Haffer was pretty clear. Lesson Larry a
little more backlit and therefore shrouded, probably just the way
they like it, I imagine, So they didn't give up
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too much, but they allowed themselves to be shown on
the video board. And there was a lot of new
video footage as well.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes, so we have for more on TV. We have
an animation that The Cage had previously premiered. It's one
of the characters from Hughes Slim Shady short.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
For John the Fisherman, they were also using a character
from a Cage short. Yes, there's the new animation for
Friezel Fry, which is absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Also Cage Claypool by the way with yeah another catch
crea for sure. That by the way, lifted straight from
Fantasia The marching shrining pants. Yes, that was brilliant.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
What else, Oh well, of course looks like Agent O
was was kept busy by quickly animating the poster Matt
had done for his corresponding tour stop because he illustrated
the character from the front cover of Rhino Plasti And
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next thing you know, it was animated up on the screen,
which brings me to the next point. Gee, whiz amos
Moses Life I was going to talk about as Yeah,
we had to clear up some confusion because some people
were under the impression that it had been performed in
twenty seventeen. It had not. That was just a tease.
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That was just less teasing the vocals. But this tour
was the very first time they did Moses fully live
on stage, and judging by older recordings I watch it
was absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Definitely very much enjoyed it. In Sacramento of course, got
a guest turn from Keyho on that one. Who I Failed? Yes,
who I failed? To mention in my list of guest performers,
so I apologize to Keyho the Greatest had a good
time with Amos Moses. Yeah. That one was first performed
at the Salt Shed, which was the fifth show on
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the tour, and then it remained pretty regular for a
while throughout the rest of it. Other animation, Frankie, we
have to mention our pal Zultron, who contributed a whole
lot of news stuff to the video board.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He animated some of his old posters and they looked
really fantastic. Yes that particularly particularly loved the breakfast one
for Groundhowk's Day.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
That goes way back to a poster he did for
Toronto show a number of years ago with the Zultron
Breakfast Cereal or what have you, Yeah, and all the
cheese and the glass and that sort of thing. Along
with those new animations and new pieces of public domain
film and the footage of the band, there were also
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these fractalized geometric overlays and all kinds of shattering of
the images that also worked in concert with the lights.
So the whole presentation was really ramped up to a
height that we really haven't seen before and it was
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very cohesive, and so I do want to, of course
extend my thanks and congratulations to the crew for putting
on one hell of a light and video show. We
can share that Jason McHugh subbed in for ag and
O on the tour as far as running the video board,
but ag and O from a remote location was able
to help out with the prep and putting everything in
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order for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
They also incorporated the one thousand Watson smile from drum
Derby into Bob's part time.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, so that was flying around. That was a McHugh contribution,
I believe.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
In terms of visuals. It's also worth highlighting that they
incorporated into the show. The Grateful Dead review of Primus show.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Oh yeah, we should talk about the additional footage. So
there was a gal on a Grateful Dead podcast who
has asked what's the worst show you've ever been? To
those of you who attended many of the shows saw
this footage and also made the rounds on socials. She
said the worst show she ever saw was Primus. She
gave her litany of complaints. I believe the band and
crew thought that was so funny they decided to throw
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it up on the screen so that was played pretty
regularly at the shows. Pretty funny for me to see
a massive, grateful Dead fan calling another band disjointed and
not listening to each other the irony, So that was
really fun. And then on the last three or four
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dates of the tour Frankie. They also played another piece
of media that had heretofore been unavailable to the masses,
which looked to be footage from the somewhat difficult at
this point documentary.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yes, Yes, and Cheney was graceful enough to upload to Instagram,
so those of us who did not attend the tour
were able to catch a glimpse of what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yes, so all those beautiful clips of these luminaries discussing
what Primus is or their appreciation for it. So Norwood Fisher,
Sean Lennon, just a cavalcade, Jason Momoa. I don't remember
all the people that they were talking to, but it
was either.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I noticed that it was jam packed with beautiful celebrities.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yes, the beauty on the screen was unsurpassed. I couldn't
pry my eyes away, not that I wanted to. I'd
say though, that the most interesting inclusion was Les's father,
Len Claypool was on screen talking about it, and of
course he was there since the beginning, supporting less financially
and many other ways, I'm sure as well. But very
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cool to see him on screen.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, Pie was played in the intermission for the evening
with shows.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Oh Popeye. Yes, they brought back the Popeye cartoons. There
were three or four of those black and white shorts.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Absolutely in many aspects. Yeah, they were kind of old
school modes, right.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, the Popeye I believe was part of the Evening
with in the Return of Jay Lane because I remember
seeing some Popeye cartoons at that point during the intermission,
so they had to fill it somehow. It was a
nice thing to bring back because they're entertaining.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I have, uh, since you were there and I imagine
I was there, and I imagine you were paying attention
to what Hoff was doing, perhaps you might be able
to answer a question that has been doing the rounds
in my mind. If not, I mean, I hope we'll
eventually have the chance to ask Haff himself. But I'm
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extremely curious what songs does Hoff use the freestel fry
frying pants on.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, we should talk about as kit because it expanded
greatly throughout the tour as they added more songs to
the set list. So credit to Ron Walley his tech
for getting that all put together in a way that
Hoff could use it.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Well, what does he use them for? Like? What song
does he play the frying pants on?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I recall Jayski using it on tracks like Eternal Consumption,
Engine and possibly Hoen because there's a lot of interesting
sounds from the drums on hoan for the man, So
that would be my guess. Is Hoen in particular the
chimes that Hoff used, of course we're for follow the
fool that Herb had, so those were in addition as well.
And of course those octabons were very useful when Hoff
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played eleven, so all those things were getting use So
when I saw those added to the kid, I was
very interested in what was forthcoming. It's hard to it's
hard to distinguish a frying pan. I think Frankie w
in the middle of a live show.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yes, sounds that sounds highly possible. I mean that particular
sound from hoeing, Extinction, burst and Eternal Consumption. Yeah, I
can see that working on a frying pan.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So possibly Eternal and Extinction may be on their way.
Now that the frying pans in place, now is it
a standard cast iron frying pan or is it one
of the Frizzle Fry frying pans.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I'm under the impression it's a frizzle fry in frizzle
fry pan because someone on Facebook when a photo of
the kid was posted, someone spotted the frying pan and
asked Hoffer if they were the Frizzle Fry ones, and
he replied, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh I missed that way to be Hoffer and I
know we've said this before. Thanks to John Hoffman for
being social media literate and using it to connect with fans.
That's very helpful for these little questions that we have.
I also want to say this again, all thanks to
the crew Frankie led by the best tour manager in
the land, John Sanchez. The band and the crew put
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on a hell of a show, of course, but they're
embracing the regulars. There are a lot of people that
are going to numerous shows, traveling across the country to
follow Primus, and they are you know, they're acknowledging them
and throwing set lists and sticks and guitar picks to
them and that sort of thing. They certainly captain crunch
merits mentioned because that guy went to like all the shows.
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It seems he actually got a little bit of a
bit of a handshake from Lestering Harold on the last
night that they performed at there and cremento.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Oh on the on the social media persons, Uh, that
was also unlikely the way that the the usual mo
we have we have previously seen on this tour, for
the first time ever, they were actually uh interacting and
engaging with fans prior to the shows and uplothing stories.
That was quite surprising.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, quite refreshing because we were somewhat used to the
cycle of tour poster set list, tour posters, set list,
and not much in the middle. Chaney might Go Live.
Zultron took over the Primusville Instagram for numerous shows and
did a whole lot of great content, as you said,
talking to fans, showing the rail, showing the line for
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merch for crying out loud, which at every show was
a mile long. Thanks to Zoltron for doing that. I
think Jason McHugh had a hand in some of that
social media work as well, and we should also send
a special shout to our pal Jordan Kravitz, who we
talked to a little while ago. Boy did he ever
deliver with him his photos of the band before, during,
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and after the shows. They are immaculate.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I don't know if you if you noticed, but Ron
Wayley posted to his stories our post about the Antipop
sampler promos Skeeter promo.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Oh cool, did not know that lure.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Was handeed at new guitar by Zach Wilde.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yes, that's right, So on tour Larry received guitar via
Zach Wilde and it is pretty damn cool. I actually
got to see it briefly at the Sacramento show. Frankie
as Keyjo came out for Amos Moses with that badass
metal guitar, and then once they plugged it in, there
were all kinds of horrible sounds and they realized that
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the battery powering the pickups had died. So he walked
off stage. The Zach Wylde guitar cameo was over, he
came back out with a strat and they ripped up
as Moses. Pretty funny stuff, and of course the PRS
is that he the PRS he received directly from Paul
Reid Smith for the tour. Beautiful guitar sounded fantastic. That's
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you know, that's the guitar we know. That's the sound
we know from Larry for so many years. So really
cool of Paul re Smith to reach out and support
Lurr as well, I would say, Frankie. Overall, the excitement
of a reinvigorated Primus really pushed this tour. As we
stated earlier, the fans came out and droves, numerous sellouts,
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huge crowds, big energy. Throughout the first night in Sacramento, Frankie,
there was a pretty active pit and people crowdsurfing and
having a great time. I will say it must have
been more of an older pit because the next night
was much more subdued, and I'm guessing there were some
aches and pains and soreness and not wanting to do
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that again. However, there was a bit of a pit
the second night. However, with that said, there were a
lot of younger people at the shows, based on reports
from other attendees and my own observations at Sacramento, and
that's a great sign for the band, of course. And
I would call this band, Frankie. I don't know if
we've talked about this, I would say this is a
timeless band, and what I mean by that is that music.
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Sure they are lumped in with the nineties, but they
certainly transcend it. I think this is music that can
anybody can identify with at any point in time.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Adam Gates said that once.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
He did Okay, so I'm just I'm just plagiarizing Adam Gates.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
He said Primus was a temporal and that they could
be playing Jerry in the nineties or they could be
playing it now and the song would still sound great.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yes, I think it would sound fresh in twenty twenty five.
I agree with that sentiment one hundred percent. What do
you have for personal highlights, Frankie, As you've combed through
all this footage, you mentioned Brown Rocks, shreport anything else
come to mind?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yes? Quarry Show. Wow?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Oh what a cool venue.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What a cool venue, What a cool set list? Wow? Heckler, Taylor, Amos, Diamondback,
Sturgeon follow the full and horwlful of the Rocks for
the encore. What an amazing set.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, that was the first evening with of the three.
Uh and what a remarkable venue in the in an
old quarry surrounded by trees. It looked beautiful.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Oh and I think any set, any set that got
More on TV was very lucky. What a what a
what a breadth of fresh air to hear that song
on the set list again.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I'm a big More on TV fan for sure. In
the last setting we in Sacramento, we got a run
of More on TV hone for the Man and Lee
Van Cleef, so we got this mini Nauga set. I
probably relayed those out of order, but getting those three
in a row is pretty special. And here in Hafer
on those it just seems like he vibes so well
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at the Jay Lane material as well as the Brain material,
and then that you know, those those staples he's on it,
and then some of those other HERB Powerhouse numbers they
worked into the sets, and boy, they sound good to me.
I think I think Hoffer's got it. You know, he's
picked up all three guys in their styles and is
making it happen.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Bombs Factory was also particularly cool with Antipop, Spaghetti, Moron
Fool Sturgeon and Tommy Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Great ones. Of course, we had the night of too
Many Stars of the Greek So you're saying that was
the most guest sit ins of all time? At a
Primus show.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, because some some less shows had like also crazy
amount of guests, but Primus wise, yes, I believe so yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I think in general you get one or two at
a Primas show. I can't think of a time when
five or six different people were tending like that one
or ever many there where it was nuts, absolutely, and
so that one was certainly special. I marked shreport, of course,
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for the hometown show for Hoffer micheti Edi his brother
joined him on drums for too many Puppies. But they
also and they posted it on social media, but if
you missed it, they were also handing out Hoffer's sunglasses
to the crowd, and so he got a great photo
on stage with the crowd behind him all sporting the
white frame Hoffer sunglasses. I thought that was pretty cool,
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and of course my next thought was when are they
going to be up on the merch site so I
can buy a pair. I would love a custom Hoffer
sunglass with you know, with his name and the Primus
logo and a flor de les make it happen. Maybe
I'll become a better drummer, Frankie if I wear them exactly.
We mentioned brown rocks of course, seven Brown Album tunes
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in a row. That was cool. They renamed the venue
for the night. How'd you react to that one?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
In hindsight, it was really amazing that they would perform
so many in a row. But imagine being there. I mean,
you get one, then you get two, but then it's three,
and then it's four. At one point, I'm sure you'd
wonder if they were just busting out the entire album.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Not one, not two. That must have been a good time.
I know he prefaced it, lested on the mic that
he said, we're gonna do something special for you tonight
and it just kept going. So that must have been
pretty great.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And we know that we know that Hoffer is very
enthusiastic about Brown Album, Rhinoplasty and Antipop, so I guess
we can expect more cuts from those in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Crossing my fingers. Very much enjoyed Drowning Man and Antipop,
and I would love to hear more Antipop material if
they're willing to tackle it.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yes, And that's I mean, that's the thing with with Hoffer,
with with each previous drummer, I think they knew that
there were some staples which they would have to adapt
to with. But at the same time, there were songs
that you knew they were not approaching. Yeah maybe because yeah,
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they were like two too customized to the drummer that
performed on the original track. And you can see that.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And like Herb said, Duchess was annoying, right, it just
didn't fit his style at all, and so it was
uncomfortable for him and and so. But they played it,
but just not as often. But it does seem like
all three of these previous drummers styles, Hoffer can can
take those on and it's.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Not like he's yeah, that's the thing. Hoffer has no limits.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, and it's you know, as Soya said, it's not
like Hoffer's playing primus songs. He's he's primus.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
But at the same time, what I want to highlight
is that when I heard the first recording available of
More on TV, I was pleasantly surprised by the performance
because it was not verbatim jayline. He was not carbon
copping every single feel that jadv on the track. So
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of course the integrity of the song is there. He's
paying his due respect to the track, but he was
doing his own fields. He was doing his own thing,
and that made it very exciting to hear.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, we've talked about it enough, but that doesn't mean
it's over. It's time for Primeiates Takes. If you would
like to hear your take read on the podcast, all
you have to do is go over to patreon dot
com forward slash Primus tracks. There are a lot of
tears of support, but the universal constant is Primates Takes.
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Normally it's the track up for discussion, but today, Frankie,
it's the tour up for discussion. So I threw out
some prompts to our prime matrons and we're going to
read a few of them.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Mickey Waters says, I didn't catch the summer tour, but
I did catch Sasanta. I thought Hoffer was great, especially
for our little time he had to rehearse at that time.
The show itself was one of the coolest shows I'd
seen in a while. Trish or Paltrish says, disclaimer, I'm
not a musician. At the Sacramento shows, I stared for
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quite a long time at Hoff's elaborate drum kit that
gave Howell's Moving Castle a run for its money. I
got even more excited when Ron came out to do
some tuning and start to whack what lookook and sounded
like a policied shaker. Being able to insert his own
whimsy while still meeting the approval of the original music
makers is such a testament to Hoff's dedication to this work.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Statue Co send me a photo of Sacramento and Trish
was bride for the night she was.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, I ran into them at the end of the
show and their costumes were off the chain. They looked
awesome and I think they got there some recognition for
it there on the rail, Cam Covington says, I went
to the Wilmington show with my girlfriend even though there
was a rain storm delay. It was fantastic. It's like
Hoff has always been there. He's so natural yet still original,
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and they absolutely seem reinvigorated.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Nice. Oh.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Cam also adds a brown tour with the fingers crossed emoji.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, I mean there was a missed opportunity to play Renegade.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
There's always an opportunity for Renegade.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Because we did have a Renegade poster.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
If you recall, Gosh the Thousand Styles poster that was
themed on Chastising of Renegade was killer and I you know,
I had. I had to institute myself a rule Frankie
after breaking it many years ago, which was no more
or posters for shows you haven't attended, and that one
I was so close. It's so great. Anthony del Preetz
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says Hoffer destroyed this tour. I went to the Lafayette show.
My friend said Hoffer is his new favorite drummer. It's
almost like he was always there in some weird way.
That's how well he completes this band. Ready to lose
your job, Frankie.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yep, Brooks breaks it Bell Brooks.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Breaks it down as following. Hoff is doing an amazing job.
I think most bands would have had the new guy
learn ten to twelve songs and play the same set
every night. Not Primus. They put Hoffer to the test
and he proves himself to both the band and the fans. Overall,
I thought they sounded great and the video is absolutely incredible,
so trippy. I hope another run is announced soon and
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I can catch a few more next time.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yes, goodbye, everybody.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Our palwall Mola seventeen says hoff was absolutely incredible, super
locked in, very unique sound and flavors on songs. I'm
very familiar with Hamburger Train is one I will not forget.
My fiance was fascinated that they made instruments sound like
an actual train, and I will say that was a
highlight in Sacramento as well. Hearing the opening notes of
Hamburger Train got me pretty pumped up. Let's do one
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more our landed gentry Edwin Allen Richards the fourth says
the legendary La show. I was there a night jam
packed full of caminos. Before the show, I ran into
Bill Burr outside of the Greek said hello, and he
was nice about it. Yeah, I had no idea I
was about to see him play Hoff crushed it. Nothing
he did felt out of place. He served every song perfectly,
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and when he showcased his own flare a just fit
like it had always been there. That seems to be
a recurring thing and these Primemates takes.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
May I share some from our Facebook readers? I think
you should, Okay, So we have some takes from our
much appreciated followers. At the Primus Tracks Facebook, Landon said,
I cut the only performance of both on the whole tour,
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and those seven brown tracks in a row crept into
basically every settle is after let's have some punch bowl.
Animals should not try to act like people. Deep Cut
next Color Blue Maniac said, I found John Hoffman's performance
of Tommy the Kat on July twenty second at Bridgeport,
Connecticut was among deepest, if not the best performance of
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the song I've ever heard the band play. Oh Dang Yeah.
Rob Sonny, who also got quite a bit of recognition
from the band during this tour, said the future of
Primus is bright.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Our pal Nick in the Netherlands said, really impressed by
how Hoffer learned so many songs in such a short
time and that he kept learning new ones during the tour.
Oh and now we need a European.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Tour long overdue, Nick, I hope they come to you.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Ashley Moyer said, fantastic tour. We caught the Detroit show
and loved it. Would love to see the photos of
the photographers got of my daughters on the barricade. She
was having the time of her life. And we did
have several other comments of people that brought along their
children for their first Primus show ever. Such a wonderful
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thing to.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Reath absolutely take your kids to the shows. Well, I
guess that does it for the onward and upward tour.
So you've been tracked to a degree, and hopefully we'll
see you all at New Year's Eve, as it was
confirmed that something will happen New Year's Eve in the Bay.
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Before we go, Frankie, we should thank our wonderful primatrons
over at Patreon dot com ford slash Primus Tracks. They
are a fantastic community, a lot of excellent individuals who
have come together to create this place that I really
am like. I'm hanging out on the Patreon a lot,
Frankie because there's just so much great chatter. So it's
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it's a great place to be for a Primus fan
right now for sure. For this session of thanking our primatrons,
let's hear a little bit of brown rocks. Why not.
Let's thank the following people for their patronage and support
for a long time, Frankie. Many of these folks have
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been supporting us for years at this point, which is nuts.
Let's thank Anthony del prie Go Bill's Legend, Brooks Delight,
two card jobs, Cam Covington, thank you, sir, prim Matron
Numero Uno, Carlos Audi's Mendi, Chris Gentile landed gentry and
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gentile and richards. The fourth, the fourth, the fourth, not.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
The fifth, not the fifth or the sixth.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Third is right out. I think I got that wrong.
Eric in Australia, our.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Curmudgeon, our mental resident.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
That's right, he's our resident metal expert Gage Massey, a
more recent patron. I dk by. Now I have to
give credit to I dka Bye because they flew from
the UK to the United States to see the shows
in at Brown Rocks and in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Oh and it was he's first prime show I.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Believe, first primus shows Brown Rocks and Salts shed On
Onward and upward. Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
That is Yeah, that's epic.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It doesn't get much better than that. So congratulations to you,
I dk by, and save those English pounds for New
Year's Eve. Let's also thank Jesse Culton Hey, just John
Shreeve John, and of course our resident fish expert Jordan Kahn, Hey, Jordan,
our residents spent poets and beanpole expert Carl.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Runch Hey, Carl.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Kevin, good old Kevin always recording the shows and doing.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Thanks for all your help with the merch you bet.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Marcus Mayle got to thank him for sure, Hey, Marcus,
Matt Ray, Mike Tuckerman, Porter. Haven't heard from Porter in
a while. He's out living his life.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, I hope he's doing fine.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You bet big. Thanks to Saschko. Of course, Sachiko man
is great, always active on the Patreon there.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I mean you couldn't see because we don't have video booth.
As soon as you said, Sachiko, I had the peace
sign up in the air.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Very good. Uh, Sarah Markham haven't heard from Sarah in
a while? Uh. Simon in Australia, al Legend, Skulligan val
our good friend, Travis and Alaska number one the oh.
We should also thank the Phantom Prime Matron, who will save?
Who will remain nameless? Travis and Alaska number two Trish,
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the aforementioned Trish. She's a star. You bet Wamola seventeen,
Zach m Adrian Porter, Brian Bergie, Bergie, Brittany Ray, Bryce
Schurrel who is a hell of a basis I'm to understand.
I need to check out his stuff. Johnny Pirona, Jordan Kravitz,
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Jordan Kravitz, Frankie what he joined up? Said he wanted
to support us. They said, what the hell are you
doing here man, that's insane, right, Thank you, Jordan, Lance Halterman,
Matt Craikley, Stephen stang Man, some of you like Steven's
been supporting us for three years now. Gee whiz Man,
thank you, Thank you so much. Audrey Myers back of
(43:53):
the envelope filter. That's somebody who's been supporting us for
a while and changed to a very clever name. Uh
Bradford Gatesington a more recent uh entrant into the Patreon
very regal name, by the way. Uh, cheesy bloke, one
of our newest patrons. Uh, our good friend, Gene Meyer,
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Harry Joe t, Johnny Coho, Mickey Waters, Mike Chillian, Nick
in the Netherlands, Ryan Rashaan, a couple more on the
next it goes over to a freaking second page. Frankiecause
there's so many Wow, Stephanie Wolfgang King, Joseph Pebbler, Robbie
McCrory and Tom Dastick. Thank you all so much for
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your patronage.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Holy cool, wow, wow, Wow.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
It just keeps getting better, and yes, thank you all
so much. Uh Patreon dot com Ford slash Primus tracks
all kinds of goofball crap going on over there. Uh,
indulge yourself, burn your money, as I like to say.
So that does it for us. Onward and Upward has
been tracked. We've got a couple more inner album interviews
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before moving on in our chronology to the next less
clappable album of Fung Gui and.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Fun Guy.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Who looking forward to New Year's Eve, Frankie, Hopefully I
see you there, Fingers crossed, Buenosuerete, later days, Willa Mace
It's Josh freaky. What a couple of dump shits.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello Primates, you found Primus Tracks. Congratulations. There are many
places to find Primus Tracks. This is probably the best place,
and that's the podcast, but you can also find us
at Primus Tracks, on Instagram and threads. Primustrackspod at gmail
dot com is the email address, and there is a
Facebook page appropriately titled Primus Tracks. I am Josh, one
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of the hosts of Primus Tracks. He is also one
of the hosts of Primus Tracks. All the way up
in the thirty ninth floor of Primus Tracks Towers, which
I assume is being filled with all kinds of memorable
and digital files related to the recently completed Onward and
Upward Tour. He's sifting through mountains of data. It's Frankie
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Bears sign.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Hey Josh, Frankie.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
We've been on a bit of a break and it
just seemed appropriate for us to resume with a discussion
of the recently completed Onward and Upward Tour with one
John Hoffman on drums. Question for you, what is your
Because I know you've watched every single video that has
been uploaded to YouTube of every single stop on the
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tour from multiple angles of numerous participants, which of course
stands in star contrast to Sussanta, which footage was highly
limited and of low quality. What's your general impression of
the tour what you heard?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
My general impression is that the band was very excited again,
not that they weren't excited to perform before, because I
think they also enjoyed themselves a lot with her, And
if you recall the tour they did last summer, it
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looked like they were having a great time on stage,
but this was kind of a different excitement. It's like
they were reinvigorated. It's like you could tell they couldn't
wait to be on stage. As soon as one show
was over, they couldn't wait for the next one because
they were having such a fantastic time performing together. I
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think they were really feeling each other. They were adventurous
with the set lists in the sense that, yeah, some
shows opened with Tweakers, but also some others opened with
Dirty Drowning Man, American Life, even Welcome to this World.
I mean, everything was up in the air right. Brown
(02:57):
Rocks is definitely one for the books. I think YEP
attendance as well as the fan base in general are
unlikely to forget that one. I think it was really
fantastic to see our favorite band having such a great time.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I will echo a lot of those sentiments. My general
impression is that this was fueled by that excitement for
Hoffer to get out there on a headliner tour and
just to see what he could bring to the band.
Because we, of course saw the drum derby those of
you that attended, Soasanta got a really good preview of
what he could do. But just letting him loose on
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all kinds of primus material for this onward and upward
tour was what I was most excited about. I got
to see the final two shows in Sacramento, so that's
where I'm going to draw most of my observations. Did
I watched very little video from other shows, but the
excitement was palpable, and I think they had a numerous
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sellouts and pretty big venues around the country, so the
excitement certainly transferred to the fans and it's and all
that positivity for Hoffman followed them around. It was a
lot of fun, I think for them, but certainly for
those of us that pay attention to the set lists
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and check out material from each show.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
This report was also a notorious show with Oh certainly yeah,
with Hoffer's brother on drums, and of course the Greek
Theater with the record for sit ins during a single show.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
A lot of great stuff. We will get into those
details for sure, but of course, as so often happens,
we have miscellaneous debris. I'll start. One of the things
that you may have seen on tour if you attended
one of these shows, was that they were demoing Wamola's Frankie.
(05:04):
So Packader Instruments was on tour with a Wamola allowing
people to demo it, handing out information cards and stickers,
and so PACKADERM Instruments is up and running. We should
also note that a handful of production line PACKADRM bases
went up for sale recently and sold out in I
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don't know six seconds, So plenty of people are pretty happy,
I'm sure, with their forthcoming production models of a PACKATRM
base and the Wally Nutt. I don't remember if we
talked about that one Frankie, but that one went up
for sale that was used on stage by Less for
quite some time. Beautiful looking bass looks like it ended
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up in the hands of one Justin Chancellor who used
it at the Greek in La So I believe that's his.
That's my understanding at this point. I could be wrong.
I did not confirm that detail with anybody truly in
the know, but that's what it seems to me. Packeterminstruments
dot Com is ramping it up over there, so you
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can check that out for sure, and you've got something.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Frankie Pastor Jazz is playing Japan. Three dates have been
announced so far. There's a festival. There are two dates
at the Blue Note in Tokyo. We gotta wait and
see if more dates are added. Perhaps they'll hit more cities.
The lineup is less Claypool, Mike Dillons, Kerrick and Stanton Moore.
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This is very exciting, I think because Liz have not
set foot on Japan since that festival in two thousand
and four.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Ah, so it's been over twenty years.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, which wrapped up. I mean you may see it
as part of Housingo genetics, or you might see it
as a bonus, but it did book end that era
of Primus and Les have not been there since. We
know that Sausage was supposed to hit Japan and it
never happened. We know that Sean has also voiced his
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enthusiasm for playing Japan with the Delirium, but Bastard Jazz
is the project that will bring Les back to that
incredible country. Now attendance I think are going to be
extremely fortunate.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, they're going to get all improvised sets, right, yeah, yeah,
and who knows what glories await them. I'm curious about
the choice, I guess another piece of miscellaneous debris. At
the very end of the last Sacramento show, Les did
mention that there will be a New Year's Eve of
some sort, which we assume involves Primus. But this represents
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the only confirmed life dates between now and then, so
sounds like it might be a break from the studio
to take that opportunity to go to Japan play him
improvised Bastard jad shows. You know, just show up and improvise,
have fun and enjoy Japan, and then get back to
the grind.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Perhaps I miss As soon as those dates became visible,
I messaged Hissaki Yasuda, and I'm hoping he'll attend one
of those shows because it will be the perfect opportunity
to meet Less in person for listeners wondering who hisaki is.
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He's the artist behind the artwork for the South of
Reality album and he's very enthusiastic about Primus and Less Claypool.
So it will be cool if they meet in person.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I hope that for all parties involved, and mostly you,
so you can enjoy that photo. Yes, do it for
Frankie guys. Let's talk about Onward and Upward. This tour
was the first headliner with John Hoffman after what I've
been terming a soft start with Susanta two point zero,
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and so they went from seven or eight tunes a
night to double that and a highly expanded songbook. And
so that was an excellent use of the Susanta time
in my point of view, which was really lay down
those staple numbers, get those nice and tight, and then
use sound checks and off days to dial in the
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rest of that material. That's seemingly what they did, because
they came out swinging on Onward and Upward, one of
my favorite things. Frankie numbers twenty five shows in thirty
five days through twenty four cities, two different openers, Ty
Siegel on one stretch, monoeon on another. We also were
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treated to three evenings, with of which I saw two.
We had eight different guest performers throughout the tour. Frankie
we had Ty Siegel on Pacoderm quite a bit, and
NIB in Los Angeles we had Mono neeon on pacoderma
bunch as well. That seems to be the common sit
in as a closer for opening acts. Our friend Puddles
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was on NIB in New Orleans. Shortly after the passing
of Ozzy Osbourne. As you mentioned, Hoffer's brother Eddie or Machete.
Eddie played drums with him on Too Many Puppies in
Shreport and that was a funny one because they somewhat
obscured that second drum set behind other gear, so some
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people saw it, some people didn't, so it was probably
a surprise. And then at La and the Greek it
was Guestapalooza with Bill Burr on drums for Too Many
Puppies along with Hoffer, Matt Stone on drums for Thale
and Genjeet. Danny Carey came out for My Name Is Mud,
as well as Justin Chancellor on base during Puppies on
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that new packet m bass, forty seven different songs performed Frankie.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I got, I got a number for you, give me
a number. Bob was only performed once during the tour.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I was going to talk about some of those rare
ones for sure. Are most common tracks performed? You'll never
guess by the way mouth Yep, Welcome to this World
into Mud was the most common track on the tour
twenty two out of twenty five shows. Bob's Party Time
Lounge was the second most common at nineteen performances. Jerry
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was a race car driver at eighteen and somewhat surprisingly,
although if you were keeping track of set list this
wouldn't surprise you. The fourth most common track performed was
Dirty Drowning Man, which is Hoffer's favorite Primus song, seventeen
out of twenty five shows. But we did get some
rarities as far as the tour was concerned. Tracks that
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were only performed once include Bob Putting Time, Mister Crinkle
and Eleven, and those last two Frankie Crinkle and eleven
were both performed one time, only on the last night
of the tour, so they emptied the bucket for sure.
We also had Missus Blalan Hamburger Train, Nib the seven
went on his Big Brown Beaver and Thala Ungenji with
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two performances a piece anti pop, follow the Fool Frizzle
fry Seas of Cheese and to defy the laws of
tradition at three apiece. So those were your most rare
tracks on the tour. Quite a variety throughout the tour
forty seven tunes.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It sounds like Resting Bones was somewhere in the middle right,
not a rarity, but not performed at every stop either.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Bones sixteen out of twenty five shows, sixty four percent.
Pretty good, pretty good clip right up there with a
little Lord Fentanyl, which got fourteen out of twenty five shows.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Who thought we would ever be at an at an
era where rest In Bones and Bob's part the time
with being frequent rotation during the set list.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, it's nineteen ninety seven all over again, and I
couldn't be happier, at least for Bob's Party Time Lounge
for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah, Visuals they changed it up a little bit for
this tour by having footage of the actual band performing
in real time on the screen.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Correct me if I'm wrong. We have never seen that before.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Definitely not on the regular and not on a primus
tour that I can recall. So that was a major change.
Was to have the men of the band projected onto
the video board with those static cameras. That was huge
and I was surprised they did that because they seem
to like to be in the dark, as we know
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as far as stage lighting goes, and they generally were
when they were on shown on camera. I would say
Hofer was the exception.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
There.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You could see Hoffer quite clearly, and I think part
of that was due to him being so close to
the video board because that light being thrown out was
illuminating him. So Haffer was pretty clear. Lesson Larry a
little more backlit and therefore shrouded, probably just the way
they like it, I imagine, So they didn't give up
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too much, but they allowed themselves to be shown on
the video board. And there was a lot of new
video footage as well.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes, so we have for more on TV. We have
an animation that The Cage had previously premiered. It's one
of the characters from Hughes Slim Shady short.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
For John the Fisherman, they were also using a character
from a Cage short. Yes, there's the new animation for
Friezel Fry, which is absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Also Cage Claypool by the way with yeah another catch
crea for sure. That by the way, lifted straight from
Fantasia The marching shrining pants. Yes, that was brilliant.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
What else, Oh well, of course looks like Agent O
was was kept busy by quickly animating the poster Matt
had done for his corresponding tour stop because he illustrated
the character from the front cover of Rhino Plasti And
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next thing you know, it was animated up on the screen,
which brings me to the next point. Gee, whiz amos
Moses Life I was going to talk about as Yeah,
we had to clear up some confusion because some people
were under the impression that it had been performed in
twenty seventeen. It had not. That was just a tease.
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That was just less teasing the vocals. But this tour
was the very first time they did Moses fully live
on stage, and judging by older recordings I watch it
was absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Definitely very much enjoyed it. In Sacramento of course, got
a guest turn from Keyho on that one. Who I Failed? Yes,
who I failed? To mention in my list of guest performers,
so I apologize to Keyho the Greatest had a good
time with Amos Moses. Yeah. That one was first performed
at the Salt Shed, which was the fifth show on
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the tour, and then it remained pretty regular for a
while throughout the rest of it. Other animation, Frankie, we
have to mention our pal Zultron, who contributed a whole
lot of news stuff to the video board.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He animated some of his old posters and they looked
really fantastic. Yes that particularly particularly loved the breakfast one
for Groundhowk's Day.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
That goes way back to a poster he did for
Toronto show a number of years ago with the Zultron
Breakfast Cereal or what have you, Yeah, and all the
cheese and the glass and that sort of thing. Along
with those new animations and new pieces of public domain
film and the footage of the band, there were also
(17:16):
these fractalized geometric overlays and all kinds of shattering of
the images that also worked in concert with the lights.
So the whole presentation was really ramped up to a
height that we really haven't seen before and it was
(17:37):
very cohesive, and so I do want to, of course
extend my thanks and congratulations to the crew for putting
on one hell of a light and video show. We
can share that Jason McHugh subbed in for ag and
O on the tour as far as running the video board,
but ag and O from a remote location was able
to help out with the prep and putting everything in
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order for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
They also incorporated the one thousand Watson smile from drum
Derby into Bob's part time.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, so that was flying around. That was a McHugh contribution,
I believe.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
In terms of visuals. It's also worth highlighting that they
incorporated into the show. The Grateful Dead review of Primus show.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Oh yeah, we should talk about the additional footage. So
there was a gal on a Grateful Dead podcast who
has asked what's the worst show you've ever been? To
those of you who attended many of the shows saw
this footage and also made the rounds on socials. She
said the worst show she ever saw was Primus. She
gave her litany of complaints. I believe the band and
crew thought that was so funny they decided to throw
(18:43):
it up on the screen so that was played pretty
regularly at the shows. Pretty funny for me to see
a massive, grateful Dead fan calling another band disjointed and
not listening to each other the irony, So that was
really fun. And then on the last three or four
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dates of the tour Frankie. They also played another piece
of media that had heretofore been unavailable to the masses,
which looked to be footage from the somewhat difficult at
this point documentary.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yes, Yes, and Cheney was graceful enough to upload to Instagram,
so those of us who did not attend the tour
were able to catch a glimpse of what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yes, so all those beautiful clips of these luminaries discussing
what Primus is or their appreciation for it. So Norwood Fisher,
Sean Lennon, just a cavalcade, Jason Momoa. I don't remember
all the people that they were talking to, but it
was either.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I noticed that it was jam packed with beautiful celebrities.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yes, the beauty on the screen was unsurpassed. I couldn't
pry my eyes away, not that I wanted to. I'd
say though, that the most interesting inclusion was Les's father,
Len Claypool was on screen talking about it, and of
course he was there since the beginning, supporting less financially
and many other ways, I'm sure as well. But very
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cool to see him on screen.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, Pie was played in the intermission for the evening
with shows.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Oh Popeye. Yes, they brought back the Popeye cartoons. There
were three or four of those black and white shorts.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Absolutely in many aspects. Yeah, they were kind of old
school modes, right.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, the Popeye I believe was part of the Evening
with in the Return of Jay Lane because I remember
seeing some Popeye cartoons at that point during the intermission,
so they had to fill it somehow. It was a
nice thing to bring back because they're entertaining.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I have, uh, since you were there and I imagine
I was there, and I imagine you were paying attention
to what Hoff was doing, perhaps you might be able
to answer a question that has been doing the rounds
in my mind. If not, I mean, I hope we'll
eventually have the chance to ask Haff himself. But I'm
(21:16):
extremely curious what songs does Hoff use the freestel fry
frying pants on.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, we should talk about as kit because it expanded
greatly throughout the tour as they added more songs to
the set list. So credit to Ron Walley his tech
for getting that all put together in a way that
Hoff could use it.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Well, what does he use them for? Like? What song
does he play the frying pants on?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I recall Jayski using it on tracks like Eternal Consumption,
Engine and possibly Hoen because there's a lot of interesting
sounds from the drums on hoan for the man, So
that would be my guess. Is Hoen in particular the
chimes that Hoff used, of course we're for follow the
fool that Herb had, so those were in addition as well.
And of course those octabons were very useful when Hoff
(22:06):
played eleven, so all those things were getting use So
when I saw those added to the kid, I was
very interested in what was forthcoming. It's hard to it's
hard to distinguish a frying pan. I think Frankie w
in the middle of a live show.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yes, sounds that sounds highly possible. I mean that particular
sound from hoeing, Extinction, burst and Eternal Consumption. Yeah, I
can see that working on a frying pan.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So possibly Eternal and Extinction may be on their way.
Now that the frying pans in place, now is it
a standard cast iron frying pan or is it one
of the Frizzle Fry frying pans.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I'm under the impression it's a frizzle fry in frizzle
fry pan because someone on Facebook when a photo of
the kid was posted, someone spotted the frying pan and
asked Hoffer if they were the Frizzle Fry ones, and
he replied, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh I missed that way to be Hoffer and I
know we've said this before. Thanks to John Hoffman for
being social media literate and using it to connect with fans.
That's very helpful for these little questions that we have.
I also want to say this again, all thanks to
the crew Frankie led by the best tour manager in
the land, John Sanchez. The band and the crew put
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on a hell of a show, of course, but they're
embracing the regulars. There are a lot of people that
are going to numerous shows, traveling across the country to
follow Primus, and they are you know, they're acknowledging them
and throwing set lists and sticks and guitar picks to
them and that sort of thing. They certainly captain crunch
merits mentioned because that guy went to like all the shows.
(23:51):
It seems he actually got a little bit of a
bit of a handshake from Lestering Harold on the last
night that they performed at there and cremento.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Oh on the on the social media persons, Uh, that
was also unlikely the way that the the usual mo
we have we have previously seen on this tour, for
the first time ever, they were actually uh interacting and
engaging with fans prior to the shows and uplothing stories.
That was quite surprising.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, quite refreshing because we were somewhat used to the
cycle of tour poster set list, tour posters, set list,
and not much in the middle. Chaney might Go Live.
Zultron took over the Primusville Instagram for numerous shows and
did a whole lot of great content, as you said,
talking to fans, showing the rail, showing the line for
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merch for crying out loud, which at every show was
a mile long. Thanks to Zoltron for doing that. I
think Jason McHugh had a hand in some of that
social media work as well, and we should also send
a special shout to our pal Jordan Kravitz, who we
talked to a little while ago. Boy did he ever
deliver with him his photos of the band before, during,
(25:03):
and after the shows. They are immaculate.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I don't know if you if you noticed, but Ron
Wayley posted to his stories our post about the Antipop
sampler promos Skeeter promo.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Oh cool, did not know that lure.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Was handeed at new guitar by Zach Wilde.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yes, that's right, So on tour Larry received guitar via
Zach Wilde and it is pretty damn cool. I actually
got to see it briefly at the Sacramento show. Frankie
as Keyjo came out for Amos Moses with that badass
metal guitar, and then once they plugged it in, there
were all kinds of horrible sounds and they realized that
(25:49):
the battery powering the pickups had died. So he walked
off stage. The Zach Wylde guitar cameo was over, he
came back out with a strat and they ripped up
as Moses. Pretty funny stuff, and of course the PRS
is that he the PRS he received directly from Paul
Reid Smith for the tour. Beautiful guitar sounded fantastic. That's
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you know, that's the guitar we know. That's the sound
we know from Larry for so many years. So really
cool of Paul re Smith to reach out and support
Lurr as well, I would say, Frankie. Overall, the excitement
of a reinvigorated Primus really pushed this tour. As we
stated earlier, the fans came out and droves, numerous sellouts,
(26:34):
huge crowds, big energy. Throughout the first night in Sacramento, Frankie,
there was a pretty active pit and people crowdsurfing and
having a great time. I will say it must have
been more of an older pit because the next night
was much more subdued, and I'm guessing there were some
aches and pains and soreness and not wanting to do
(26:54):
that again. However, there was a bit of a pit
the second night. However, with that said, there were a
lot of younger people at the shows, based on reports
from other attendees and my own observations at Sacramento, and
that's a great sign for the band, of course. And
I would call this band, Frankie. I don't know if
we've talked about this, I would say this is a
timeless band, and what I mean by that is that music.
(27:18):
Sure they are lumped in with the nineties, but they
certainly transcend it. I think this is music that can
anybody can identify with at any point in time.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Adam Gates said that once.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
He did Okay, so I'm just I'm just plagiarizing Adam Gates.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
He said Primus was a temporal and that they could
be playing Jerry in the nineties or they could be
playing it now and the song would still sound great.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yes, I think it would sound fresh in twenty twenty five.
I agree with that sentiment one hundred percent. What do
you have for personal highlights, Frankie, As you've combed through
all this footage, you mentioned Brown Rocks, shreport anything else
come to mind?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yes? Quarry Show. Wow?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Oh what a cool venue.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What a cool venue, What a cool set list? Wow? Heckler, Taylor, Amos, Diamondback,
Sturgeon follow the full and horwlful of the Rocks for
the encore. What an amazing set.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, that was the first evening with of the three.
Uh and what a remarkable venue in the in an
old quarry surrounded by trees. It looked beautiful.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Oh and I think any set, any set that got
More on TV was very lucky. What a what a
what a breadth of fresh air to hear that song
on the set list again.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I'm a big More on TV fan for sure. In
the last setting we in Sacramento, we got a run
of More on TV hone for the Man and Lee
Van Cleef, so we got this mini Nauga set. I
probably relayed those out of order, but getting those three
in a row is pretty special. And here in Hafer
on those it just seems like he vibes so well
(29:00):
at the Jay Lane material as well as the Brain material,
and then that you know, those those staples he's on it,
and then some of those other HERB Powerhouse numbers they
worked into the sets, and boy, they sound good to me.
I think I think Hoffer's got it. You know, he's
picked up all three guys in their styles and is
making it happen.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Bombs Factory was also particularly cool with Antipop, Spaghetti, Moron
Fool Sturgeon and Tommy Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Great ones. Of course, we had the night of too
Many Stars of the Greek So you're saying that was
the most guest sit ins of all time? At a
Primus show.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, because some some less shows had like also crazy
amount of guests, but Primus wise, yes, I believe so yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I think in general you get one or two at
a Primas show. I can't think of a time when
five or six different people were tending like that one
or ever many there where it was nuts, absolutely, and
so that one was certainly special. I marked shreport, of course,
(30:07):
for the hometown show for Hoffer micheti Edi his brother
joined him on drums for too many Puppies. But they
also and they posted it on social media, but if
you missed it, they were also handing out Hoffer's sunglasses
to the crowd, and so he got a great photo
on stage with the crowd behind him all sporting the
white frame Hoffer sunglasses. I thought that was pretty cool,
(30:29):
and of course my next thought was when are they
going to be up on the merch site so I
can buy a pair. I would love a custom Hoffer
sunglass with you know, with his name and the Primus
logo and a flor de les make it happen. Maybe
I'll become a better drummer, Frankie if I wear them exactly.
We mentioned brown rocks of course, seven Brown Album tunes
(30:50):
in a row. That was cool. They renamed the venue
for the night. How'd you react to that one?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
In hindsight, it was really amazing that they would perform
so many in a row. But imagine being there. I mean,
you get one, then you get two, but then it's three,
and then it's four. At one point, I'm sure you'd
wonder if they were just busting out the entire album.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Not one, not two. That must have been a good time.
I know he prefaced it, lested on the mic that
he said, we're gonna do something special for you tonight
and it just kept going. So that must have been
pretty great.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And we know that we know that Hoffer is very
enthusiastic about Brown Album, Rhinoplasty and Antipop, so I guess
we can expect more cuts from those in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Crossing my fingers. Very much enjoyed Drowning Man and Antipop,
and I would love to hear more Antipop material if
they're willing to tackle it.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yes, And that's I mean, that's the thing with with Hoffer,
with with each previous drummer, I think they knew that
there were some staples which they would have to adapt
to with. But at the same time, there were songs
that you knew they were not approaching. Yeah maybe because yeah,
(32:17):
they were like two too customized to the drummer that
performed on the original track. And you can see that.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And like Herb said, Duchess was annoying, right, it just
didn't fit his style at all, and so it was
uncomfortable for him and and so. But they played it,
but just not as often. But it does seem like
all three of these previous drummers styles, Hoffer can can
take those on and it's.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Not like he's yeah, that's the thing. Hoffer has no limits.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, and it's you know, as Soya said, it's not
like Hoffer's playing primus songs. He's he's primus.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
But at the same time, what I want to highlight
is that when I heard the first recording available of
More on TV, I was pleasantly surprised by the performance
because it was not verbatim jayline. He was not carbon
copping every single feel that jadv on the track. So
(33:20):
of course the integrity of the song is there. He's
paying his due respect to the track, but he was
doing his own fields. He was doing his own thing,
and that made it very exciting to hear.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, we've talked about it enough, but that doesn't mean
it's over. It's time for Primeiates Takes. If you would
like to hear your take read on the podcast, all
you have to do is go over to patreon dot
com forward slash Primus tracks. There are a lot of
tears of support, but the universal constant is Primates Takes.
(33:57):
Normally it's the track up for discussion, but today, Frankie,
it's the tour up for discussion. So I threw out
some prompts to our prime matrons and we're going to
read a few of them.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Mickey Waters says, I didn't catch the summer tour, but
I did catch Sasanta. I thought Hoffer was great, especially
for our little time he had to rehearse at that time.
The show itself was one of the coolest shows I'd
seen in a while. Trish or Paltrish says, disclaimer, I'm
not a musician. At the Sacramento shows, I stared for
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quite a long time at Hoff's elaborate drum kit that
gave Howell's Moving Castle a run for its money. I
got even more excited when Ron came out to do
some tuning and start to whack what lookook and sounded
like a policied shaker. Being able to insert his own
whimsy while still meeting the approval of the original music
makers is such a testament to Hoff's dedication to this work.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Statue Co send me a photo of Sacramento and Trish
was bride for the night she was.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, I ran into them at the end of the
show and their costumes were off the chain. They looked
awesome and I think they got there some recognition for
it there on the rail, Cam Covington says, I went
to the Wilmington show with my girlfriend even though there
was a rain storm delay. It was fantastic. It's like
Hoff has always been there. He's so natural yet still original,
(35:24):
and they absolutely seem reinvigorated.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Nice. Oh.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Cam also adds a brown tour with the fingers crossed emoji.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, I mean there was a missed opportunity to play Renegade.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
There's always an opportunity for Renegade.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Because we did have a Renegade poster.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
If you recall, Gosh the Thousand Styles poster that was
themed on Chastising of Renegade was killer and I you know,
I had. I had to institute myself a rule Frankie
after breaking it many years ago, which was no more
or posters for shows you haven't attended, and that one
I was so close. It's so great. Anthony del Preetz
(36:08):
says Hoffer destroyed this tour. I went to the Lafayette show.
My friend said Hoffer is his new favorite drummer. It's
almost like he was always there in some weird way.
That's how well he completes this band. Ready to lose
your job, Frankie.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yep, Brooks breaks it Bell Brooks.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Breaks it down as following. Hoff is doing an amazing job.
I think most bands would have had the new guy
learn ten to twelve songs and play the same set
every night. Not Primus. They put Hoffer to the test
and he proves himself to both the band and the fans. Overall,
I thought they sounded great and the video is absolutely incredible,
so trippy. I hope another run is announced soon and
(36:49):
I can catch a few more next time.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yes, goodbye, everybody.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Our palwall Mola seventeen says hoff was absolutely incredible, super
locked in, very unique sound and flavors on songs. I'm
very familiar with Hamburger Train is one I will not forget.
My fiance was fascinated that they made instruments sound like
an actual train, and I will say that was a
highlight in Sacramento as well. Hearing the opening notes of
Hamburger Train got me pretty pumped up. Let's do one
(37:20):
more our landed gentry Edwin Allen Richards the fourth says
the legendary La show. I was there a night jam
packed full of caminos. Before the show, I ran into
Bill Burr outside of the Greek said hello, and he
was nice about it. Yeah, I had no idea I
was about to see him play Hoff crushed it. Nothing
he did felt out of place. He served every song perfectly,
(37:42):
and when he showcased his own flare a just fit
like it had always been there. That seems to be
a recurring thing and these Primemates takes.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
May I share some from our Facebook readers? I think
you should, Okay, So we have some takes from our
much appreciated followers. At the Primus Tracks Facebook, Landon said,
I cut the only performance of both on the whole tour,
(38:10):
and those seven brown tracks in a row crept into
basically every settle is after let's have some punch bowl.
Animals should not try to act like people. Deep Cut
next Color Blue Maniac said, I found John Hoffman's performance
of Tommy the Kat on July twenty second at Bridgeport,
Connecticut was among deepest, if not the best performance of
(38:31):
the song I've ever heard the band play. Oh Dang Yeah.
Rob Sonny, who also got quite a bit of recognition
from the band during this tour, said the future of
Primus is bright.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Our pal Nick in the Netherlands said, really impressed by
how Hoffer learned so many songs in such a short
time and that he kept learning new ones during the tour.
Oh and now we need a European.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Tour long overdue, Nick, I hope they come to you.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Ashley Moyer said, fantastic tour. We caught the Detroit show
and loved it. Would love to see the photos of
the photographers got of my daughters on the barricade. She
was having the time of her life. And we did
have several other comments of people that brought along their
children for their first Primus show ever. Such a wonderful
(39:24):
thing to.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Reath absolutely take your kids to the shows. Well, I
guess that does it for the onward and upward tour.
So you've been tracked to a degree, and hopefully we'll
see you all at New Year's Eve, as it was
confirmed that something will happen New Year's Eve in the Bay.
(39:45):
Before we go, Frankie, we should thank our wonderful primatrons
over at Patreon dot com ford slash Primus Tracks. They
are a fantastic community, a lot of excellent individuals who
have come together to create this place that I really
am like. I'm hanging out on the Patreon a lot,
Frankie because there's just so much great chatter. So it's
(40:06):
it's a great place to be for a Primus fan
right now for sure. For this session of thanking our primatrons,
let's hear a little bit of brown rocks. Why not.
Let's thank the following people for their patronage and support
for a long time, Frankie. Many of these folks have
(40:27):
been supporting us for years at this point, which is nuts.
Let's thank Anthony del prie Go Bill's Legend, Brooks Delight,
two card jobs, Cam Covington, thank you, sir, prim Matron
Numero Uno, Carlos Audi's Mendi, Chris Gentile landed gentry and
(40:52):
gentile and richards. The fourth, the fourth, the fourth, not.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
The fifth, not the fifth or the sixth.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Third is right out. I think I got that wrong.
Eric in Australia, our.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Curmudgeon, our mental resident.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
That's right, he's our resident metal expert Gage Massey, a
more recent patron. I dk by. Now I have to
give credit to I dka Bye because they flew from
the UK to the United States to see the shows
in at Brown Rocks and in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Oh and it was he's first prime show I.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Believe, first primus shows Brown Rocks and Salts shed On
Onward and upward. Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
That is Yeah, that's epic.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It doesn't get much better than that. So congratulations to you,
I dk by, and save those English pounds for New
Year's Eve. Let's also thank Jesse Culton Hey, just John
Shreeve John, and of course our resident fish expert Jordan Kahn, Hey, Jordan,
our residents spent poets and beanpole expert Carl.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Runch Hey, Carl.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Kevin, good old Kevin always recording the shows and doing.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Thanks for all your help with the merch you bet.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Marcus Mayle got to thank him for sure, Hey, Marcus,
Matt Ray, Mike Tuckerman, Porter. Haven't heard from Porter in
a while. He's out living his life.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, I hope he's doing fine.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You bet big. Thanks to Saschko. Of course, Sachiko man
is great, always active on the Patreon there.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I mean you couldn't see because we don't have video booth.
As soon as you said, Sachiko, I had the peace
sign up in the air.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Very good. Uh, Sarah Markham haven't heard from Sarah in
a while? Uh. Simon in Australia, al Legend, Skulligan val
our good friend, Travis and Alaska number one the oh.
We should also thank the Phantom Prime Matron, who will save?
Who will remain nameless? Travis and Alaska number two Trish,
(43:07):
the aforementioned Trish. She's a star. You bet Wamola seventeen,
Zach m Adrian Porter, Brian Bergie, Bergie, Brittany Ray, Bryce
Schurrel who is a hell of a basis I'm to understand.
I need to check out his stuff. Johnny Pirona, Jordan Kravitz,
(43:28):
Jordan Kravitz, Frankie what he joined up? Said he wanted
to support us. They said, what the hell are you
doing here man, that's insane, right, Thank you, Jordan, Lance Halterman,
Matt Craikley, Stephen stang Man, some of you like Steven's
been supporting us for three years now. Gee whiz Man,
thank you, Thank you so much. Audrey Myers back of
(43:53):
the envelope filter. That's somebody who's been supporting us for
a while and changed to a very clever name. Uh
Bradford Gatesington a more recent uh entrant into the Patreon
very regal name, by the way. Uh, cheesy bloke, one
of our newest patrons. Uh, our good friend, Gene Meyer,
(44:15):
Harry Joe t, Johnny Coho, Mickey Waters, Mike Chillian, Nick
in the Netherlands, Ryan Rashaan, a couple more on the
next it goes over to a freaking second page. Frankiecause
there's so many Wow, Stephanie Wolfgang King, Joseph Pebbler, Robbie
McCrory and Tom Dastick. Thank you all so much for
(44:37):
your patronage.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Holy cool, wow, wow, Wow.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
It just keeps getting better, and yes, thank you all
so much. Uh Patreon dot com Ford slash Primus tracks
all kinds of goofball crap going on over there. Uh,
indulge yourself, burn your money, as I like to say.
So that does it for us. Onward and Upward has
been tracked. We've got a couple more inner album interviews
(45:03):
before moving on in our chronology to the next less
clappable album of Fung Gui and.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Fun Guy.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Who looking forward to New Year's Eve, Frankie, Hopefully I
see you there, Fingers crossed, Buenosuerete, later days, Willa Mace
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