September 18, 2025 • 64 mins
The belief in paranormal phenomena, which includes things like ghosts, spirits, and psychic abilities, is not a recent invention. Its origins are deeply intertwined with the development of human culture, religion, and psychology. Rather than a single point of origin, the concept of the paranormal has evolved over time from a combination of ancient beliefs and human attempts to explain the unknown.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Cre Van through the Midnight, Hay Season, Shadows in the
Darky Mays, Footstep Second in the Empty Hall, Mysteries, Wading
Alcohol Said, Footstepping through the Past, Alien send a Secrets Sizes,
(00:38):
Evp's in the Day of Night, ghost is in in
the pill moon Light Do Know Before Lord?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
We bring it to your truth behind the veil.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Gotta good evening. Hey, everybody, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, so tonight we decided to do something a little different,
something we haven't done, a.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Little bit different. Well we've done it before, but not
just set. We had a rhythm, you know. Yeah, we
had a guided paper that we would talk from, give
us notes. So we're just going to talk from the yep.
Maybe you know.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
What we're trying to do is you know, talk with
you and maybe if y'all have any questions or anything
that you have, we will talk about them. Or you
want to talk about anything paranormal.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Right, anything, anything cryptis, ghosts.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, you have any questions, just you know, throw them
up there. Otherwise we're just going to talk about the paranormal. Yeah, right,
howdy baby girl. Hello, Yes, everybody's at least I'm doing
pretty good. How about you?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Jason, do well.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Ye, well, we're glad you're doing good.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Glad to see you back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, yep, over the over stoked oscars is here.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
This alright?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh yeah, So what do you want to start off with?
I know you had something that you want to kind
of I want to.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Talk about just like the origins origins of paranormal stuff,
like when it started getting noticed and things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Okay, but.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And it's things like ghosts and spirits. It's not a
recent invention. It's been around since the dawn of man.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I guess that's awesome, Steven. We're glad you got that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, a lot of a lot of its origins
are intertwined with the development of the human culture, religion, psychology.
It's not one single point of origin. It's a few
things together. So the concept, you know, it's evolved over
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time from ancient beliefs and human attempts to explain the unknown.
So it has evolved. Well you think about that, well.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I mean I think that when you look out throughout time,
you see people talking about this, right, the occult. Now,
that's called the occult, but every religion has it, right,
all religions have it, and even people who claim to
not be religious, still have some beliefs of some sort usually,
(03:56):
But I mean, you know, when it comes down to it,
everybody he had something that usually scared him when as
a kid. Oh yeah, most of us did. And a
lot of times we learned to block it and then
lost it, lost the ability to do it by doing it.
(04:18):
And so but I believe that, you know, when it
comes to the paranormal, everybody's had had things happen to them,
and there's no way that that we couldn't. There's a
lot of bad to be said about well I want
to say bad, but a lot of things to be
said about, say the Wars. Yeah, you know, I think
(04:41):
that a lot of things were kind of overly done,
overly you know, hyped up, I guess you would say.
But they did one thing that was really great though.
They brought this out to the forefront where everything in
their eyes were demons. Though it was kind of crazy.
I was listening to their grandson talk to this morning
(05:03):
before I went to work, and you know where they
wanted to say, everything with demons. I think that when
we see these things, we experience these things, we also
experience them with our cultures. Right, So whatever it is
you believe how you've been raised, all these things kind
(05:28):
of come together and then focus in on what it
is that you understand these things. Right, So, if you've
been raised in you know, a lot of Abrahamic religions,
you're going to go to these darker entities because these
are the things that that you've been taught that stuff
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like this is. And so you know, we color these
things with our experiences and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But I think that through.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Studying them, doing what we do and going out and
investigating and getting evidence, you actually start seeing a different picture. Yeah,
you know, you start seeing well, I don't know, it's
hard to hard to explain sometimes because I don't I mean,
(06:23):
we all know it's not well, we can't say no, no,
it was a big word. We all believe that it's
more than one type of thing. There's definitely more than
one type of entities out there. You know, you have
residual energies that have nothing. But then you know, there's
a lot of other things that that may play into
this that we just we don't even have any clue about.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
When it comes to the paranormal, well, when at first,
you know, like I was saying, preliterate times when people
you know couldn't read or write, They've done this. It
was called ancestor worship.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
There's still some places that do that, hey, Susan.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That arose from the natural process of people grieving and
trying to understand death. And yes, and you know early
humans observing the absence of a loved one's body, so
they they may have rationalized it in their head that
the person's spirit or soul continues to exist, which I
(07:34):
think it does from.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
What Stephen says to you know, our minds are kind
of domesticated, and we've not been able to use them
to the fullest. I think that's really good because we've
we've we don't believe the same as we did, like
Jason's talking about way back then before, a lot of
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these things that we know of today, scientific things that
we know of today, you know, kind of seemed to
roadblock sometimes because we're wanting to come up with explanations
for things, even when there is no explanation for certain
things as of yet, right, and so I think that
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roadblocks things.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, I've kind of that was I've personally been through that.
When I was younger, I was scared of the dark
so bad, and I would scream and go on say,
I would see things and hear keys and stuff rattling outside.
And I was just told by people and Reverence too
(08:45):
that it was just my imagination. So I kind of
blocked that off, right yep. And now it's starting to
you know, the more I do this, the more it
opens back up.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yep, yep. And that's a fact, you know. I mean
my wife could attest to that with what she what
happened to her? You know, So what go up a
couple because there's some people on Facebook, so I'm not
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getting the facebooks on my side.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
What was.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
One down a little bit down right there? What does
he saying? He said, You're exactly right as someone that
has been raised Baptist or rebelled against what I was
taught of ran into a lot of stuff. And that's
what happens. I mean, I was the same way. I
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was raised in a very I mean it was a
very strict Christian home. We didn't have our first TV
till I was a teenager. And because it was of
the devil and uh literally, I went to Christian private school.
We went to church every day. The door was open, prayer,
(10:08):
at five o'clock in the morning on Saturdays. I mean,
I wasn't allowed to have a friend unless they went
to church with me. So I understand. And at a
young age, you know, for me, I have having always
been able to see entities.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Hey Michelle, Hey Michelle, been able.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
To always see these things, made it hard for me
to believe some of the things that were said, you know,
in Sunday school and stuff like that. And so I
started second guessing things along time ago. I was really
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young when when I started going, I just it just
doesn't seem right, you know. Yeah, Steven says couldn't play
Pokemon or any of the other card games.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Well I had. I'll tell you what. I had a
Motley Crew poster I hung up on the wall. You
talking about all hell breaking loose? Really? Yes, I was whipped, ripped, punched.
That ship came down for a Motley Crew poster. For
a Motley Crew poster that's played on w I MZ. Now, Yeah,
(11:26):
it was. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's when I started listening to Freakazoid Robots. Please report
to the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
That's funny. I don't know, you know, for me, when
it comes to this stuff, though, it hits home a
little a little closer, just because of the fact that
I've always had happen to me, that's happened, right, And
so with with that, I've always known something else was there.
So and people were like, you know, talking bad about
(12:04):
different things. Hey Jason, Hey, doing buddy, beyond the veil.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, we're going deep beyond the veil.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That's right. And if you if you want to talk
about anything, do like Steven and these and everybody else,
just shout stuff out and we'll we'll talk about it. Yes,
a paranormal discussion. You know. I think with me being
able to see these things my whole life, I've had
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an insight that a lot of people some believe they want,
Hey Jason, but I think that if a lot of
people got it, they wouldn't want it. It's like, you know,
I've told the story about my wife a couple of times,
but you know, she opened herself up. It took some time,
(12:54):
but it was a lot of meditating and stuff, and
she opened herself up and something talked to her one
day and she thought she was losing her mind. Literally.
I was on the road and she called me crying,
and I mean just crying, and I had to calm
her down, and I had to say, your problem is
(13:16):
that you're rationalized trying to rationalize things that are non rational.
You can't rationalize these things that aren't rational, first of all,
because you will drive yourself crazy doing that. I learned
this at an early age. Oe, right, it is You've
got to go against that.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, it's hard to do. Yes, yeah, yeah. What Jason
steven says, he's been saying for a while and even
on our show, that the veil is definitely thinning.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I believe it. I mean, I do believe that it
is thinning. Jason Finch says he's getting his online courses
to become a caregiver. Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Good.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, Yeah, things do take a while, Jason. But I mean,
you know, that's the thing that when people anybody could
do this. We've had on how many psychics have we
had on the show that says anybody could do what
they do? You just got to put in the time, right, Yeah,
(14:24):
and the effort. And the thing is is that when
you're wanting to do that, first of all, us living
in the South, you're not worshiping Satan and you're not
going to hell.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It talks about I mean, it talks about I don't know,
casting demons out in the Bible. Well, look it's not
a demon. Everything's not demons, right, very few are. Yeah,
I was two oscars.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You know. The problem I have is is that when
you open yourself up, you're going to get what you
ask for. If you really want it, you're going to
get it. But you need to be mentally prepared for
what it is that you're going to get. And the
(15:24):
same thing goes for anybody that goes out and goes investigations. Jason,
you as as an example, what when you when we
had our very first one, when you first heard that
first EVP, what went through your mind? I mean, besides
(15:50):
the aftermath of you saying you're not coming back to
my house for a couple of weeks, I mean, really,
what went through your head? Because you know, some of
these people, maybe you wanting to do stuff like that,
but when you come in something skeptical and look healthy,
skepticism is always good. Be skeptical, right, don't believe everything
(16:12):
everyone tells you, do the homework, you know, find out
answers for yourself. You could use other people for springboards,
but but do the research.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Really when that happened, my stomach like came up to
my throat and I was just I don't know. It
felt like I when you get cold chills, but it
really wasn't a cold chill. It was like a numbing
like the feeling of dread. Have you got that before?
(16:46):
Just something like that because I was scared, and that's
that's what happened to me. And I told David, you know,
I gotta go David, because I was feeling dread. Thought
it was going to kill me.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
But you know that's coming from a fully skeptical mind.
And then getting shown something, Yeah, and then then your
mind went through a rationalization process, didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It Once your brain realizes, hey, this stuff is real.
I mean it's it's not fake. It can that first
time can be pretty rough. But after that, I wanted more.
I want to know more about the afterlife. I wanted
to know.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, it's funny because a lot of our shows for
a minute started going towards the afterlife, what happens afterwards,
and the NDEs and all those kinds of things. But
that's just shows what how your mind kind of clicks.
Because once you realize, Wait, I was just shown something.
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I was there, Right, your mind goes, I was there,
this was faked? What else can I get into? What
else do we need to know? Can I find out
what happens after life after death? Is their life after death?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah? Steven says he needs to take us to the
old haunted places he used to go to as a team.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Let's do it. I'm all for it. I'm busy this Saturday,
but I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Baby girl says, you need to know there's a good
and evil in the things you can ask for. Remember everyone,
everything is listening. Be clear who you're talking to, or
you may get something you regret. That's true.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well you know on that, baby girl, we go back
to just put it in simpler and easier ways to
thinking of this. We go into tools. Right, So if
you're scrying, if you're using the dousing rods, if you're
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using a weed aboard all these things, you are becoming
the conduit for spirit to talk through you through these objects. Right,
So you're allowing these things to take somewhat control to
be able to communicate. Right, So you're right when you're
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talking about those things and knowing how to properly open,
properly close, and to keep yourself separated to where you're
not bringing things back in with you. I really do
believe that, you know what you said. I mean, it's
definitely true, and you know you just have to be
(20:01):
mindful when you do these things, not to just do it.
You know, Parker Brothers has Luigi aboard.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's not just a game.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It is real.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It is as real as going to a place and
doing EVP work and coming out with with EVPs exact
same thing, just a different method. Same thing with with
any any of these you know, older type of things
that we used to to investigate the ghosts. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Stephen says, the old haunted bridges and haunted barn and
a lot of crazy things have happened at web store
in Polk County, which is just down the road from
the Higden Hotel. I've heard of that. M a lot
of crazy things.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Huh that's interesting. Well, we'll have to if we go there. Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
The biggest craziest thing that that you've ever told me
is that dog. Remember the dog and the something crushed it? Oh, yes,
that's crazy, Susan old building, don't just open yourself all
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the way up and welcome.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Oh, you have to.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Block and protect yourself, baby girl. Cast says that's a fact.
You have to protect yourself and but but you also
have to be open to uh, you know, to have
these conversations too. Yes, and you're right overlease overstoked oscars.
(22:01):
You do have to give them permission on some things.
We went and investigated a place again. You know, we're
not allowed to say that. They don't want us to
say where it was. But after a show. What was
it about two or three weeks ago? Jason, A couple
of weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, and it was in Madisonville.
This is the second time we've got to go. We
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went with Susan and Eddie and there's quite a few
other people there. They were there before we were because
we went after you know, we did our Saturday night
show and we just did some EVP work, nothing really
major that night. And I've never had anything follow me home.
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Our house has never had any activity period. I mean,
we we keep this place saged, and you know, we
try to only have good thoughts while we're hearing this high.
We try to not ben the wife. We I mean,
rarely have any you know, fights or anything, even as
far as that goes. But you know, so our house
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is usually a very good vibration here. We've lived here
for six years and never had any kind of activity here.
But after that night, actually that night period, we came
back home, what was it about twelve o'clock when we
got done and we left. We came back home, wound
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down just a little bit, went to bed, the wife
and I did, and I'm sleeping. The wife sleeps on
the opposite side of the bed I sleep on. We
have a big, king sized bed, so she sleeps on
one half acre and I sleep on the other half acre.
And the cats are laying down kind of in between us.
But the baby dog is she's in her bed. And
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that's it. Everything's quite in the house. It's probably about
two o'clock at night in the morning, something happens that
has never happened in this home, and it was it
was interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I had woke up for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I don't even know why, but I woke up for
some reason, and I was just kind of laying there
and right beside me.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I heard it.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
First. I heard the bed go kind of hurt, and
then it sunk down like someone sat on the bed
right next to me, like where I was laying, and
I was like, huh, that's that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And then.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
About an hour or so later, the alarm system that's
in the kitchen, the brain part of the alarm system
started going off, not within alarm, but it was saying
something that it has never said before, like it had
lost communication with something. I forgot exactly what it was,
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and it said it, I mean like it was a
woman's wasted over and over and over and over and over.
Never had this happen before. And then it stopped. Well,
then like three or four o'clock in the morning, it
started doing it again. So I got up to walk
in there to see what was going on, and as
soon as I opened my bedroom door, it stopped. It
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didn't do it again, and so the next day, of course,
we saged the house, topped the bottom every room of
this house, and nothing's happened since. But you know, it
goes back to tell you that you can inadvertently have
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things hitchhike with you. Whatever that was it did, And
I think whatever woke me up was the sensation that
I knew something was there, but I didn't know something
was there. If you know what I mean. And then
when it's set on the bed, I was like, yes,
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something's definitely here, and then it started making the alarm
system do this crazy thing that it's never done before
multiple times. So yep, you can break things home with you,
but sometimes these things can just tag along because when
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I go into these places, I can't open myself up
completely because you could ask Jason, you could ask my wife.
Some places I get sick and so I can't just
open myself completely up to these places. But that's just
something that happened here recently to us, just since that
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last investigation of ours. So yeah, it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, I've had something I feel like sitting on sat
down on the bed with me before and not before last,
I was laying in the bed and my daughter had
came in there just you know, to lay down and
watch your I've had we got I shouldn't have this,
(27:19):
but we got a mirror on one wall and the
mirror on this wall. And I just thought about this
after she said it. She says, I just seen a
shadow across the mirror. Get out of here. Yeah, so
(27:40):
I mean she may have seen it. I didn't press
her about it, but it could be a shadow in
my house. I know, I felt something set on the
bed and I've seen stuff out of the corner of
my eyes, so.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Like a shadow type person.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Like, Yeah, it was really quick, but it's pretty wild.
I like it. Yeah, and don't scare me like it
used to.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
No, yeah, it's not. It's not scary, thank you, Jason Finch.
Susan says when they did Brush You Mountain, Bobby was
bombarded with people and he had to step outside from
all the entities. M Yeah, I'm I know that sometimes
(28:28):
these things happen, and I don't know. Uh, some people
I think are just a little more open to it.
And I don't think again that it's anything special to
those people. I think that it's just that, like I
told you before, Jason, you know, I was lucky in
my life, and I don't know how either. I'm telling
you with all the with how crazy my life was
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growing up, and the level for the longest time that
we were in church and and everything was of the
devil that I wasn't told that, you know, it was
the devil trying to talk to me all those years.
But I was actually encouraged when I would see ghosts
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and stuff like that, and was told that it was
a gift and everything. I think that's the only reason
that I still retain part of that, you know what
I mean, Because a lot of people grow up in
their parents are oh, you're just seeing things, or it
was just a dream, or you've got an overactive imagination
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like you was told right, And most of the time
that is not the truth. Baby Girl says, Nope, got
to have racket. I don't want to hear the walking
up and down the hall, or dishes, clanking of the
silverware drawer closing hopefully overstoked, Ossler says, I wasn't afraid
(29:54):
of what was happening. I was afraid of my parents.
They didn't want to hear it. Gotcha, Baby Girl says,
that night and I have a sound machine playing rain
and a box fan on high.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I run my TV all night.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So I grew up and this is all the way
up until I got with my wife. And I've always
liked a completely pitch dark room. I don't want any
lights whatsoever in my room. I don't want any noises.
I want it to be as quiet as I could
(30:32):
get it. But since I've been with my wife, she
has changed me a bit. Now I can say that
I could still go to sleep much better in a
completely quiet environment. But she plays this thunderstorm black screen
thunderstorm stuff on the TV at nighttime when we go
(30:54):
to sleep, and it helps her sleep. So I have
learned to live with it. And we don't have curtains
on our window upstairs in our bedrooms, so that light
shines in, you know, from the like we have over
here by the garage, so it's like.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You, well, at my house, it's never quite no never
never the kids. The kids, I hope they're listening. They're
either bouncing the ball, playing basketball in the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
It's just stuff like that. So I'm used to noise.
Though I like noise when I sleep, I go to
sleep better. I keep my TV on all night, uh,
because I wake up sometimes middle the night and I
watch TV. But I couldn't. I couldn't do complete darkness
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and no noise.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Nady girl Casper says, someone has to snore like a
grizzly bear.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Now I can do that. I can suck the ceiling down.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Over the Overstoke Costs says, I know, too quiet sound
for me. I just I don't know, I've always been
just I want it so quiet that I could hear
a pin drop and to be pitch black where I
can't see a hand in front of my face. That's
the way I've always liked it. And I could just
sleep like.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
The dead and like fifty degrees.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, fifty degrees is optimal. I have to deal with
seventy now because I have a you know, my wife is.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I used to run an air conditioner in the winter,
a window air conditioner.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Hey, I have got my wife to be able to
turn on the ceiling fan in our bedroom at nighttime now,
so I do have that.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
At least, I've got a ceilum fan. I've got a
stand up fan, I've got the TV going. I got
a little blue light in the bathroom, and the kids
are up all night. They're in there, running around, lights
on and off of all the time. So but if
something bad happens, I do have a little chi wall
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where that will bark and bark and bark and bark
and let me know something wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, I have a cha where that will She'll bark
twice and then she runs and hides under her bed
or my bed. But when it comes to the paranormal stuff.
I've always been desensitized to it. I guess because I've
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had it happening to me since I was three. So
I guess that's why it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, now, very true. You can't depend on a cat
for nothing. I mean, my cat. The only time I
hear it's when it's tongue went on some deep.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Hours, lays right in between Michelle and I. Now Jason
says he puts on this crackling four K fireplace YouTube. Yeah,
my wife does the uh the thunderstorm rain and thunderstorm
black screen from YouTube over night.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
You know that would that would give me a freaking
panic attack to hear my own heartbeat and my breathing.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
No, I that's so that's how I go to sleep.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
That would give me a panic attack.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
That's how I go to sleep. I will and you
could ask my wife this, this is it's hilarious. But
I will lay down, I'll find a comfortable spot, I'll
close my eyes and I'll and she'll she'll even say it.
She could hear my uh my breathing change because I'll
start breathing in and out differently, and then I go poop.
(34:56):
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
She faxes it three her biscuit recipe to somebody.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
She does freaking cats. So you know we've got the
fax machines stuff upstairs. She like three nights in a
row has jumped on that thing and started hitting buttons
and all of a sudden, it's going to think, think, think,
and making all kinds of crazy sounds.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
She thinks it's our toy.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, like Michelle said, she's faxing biscuit recipes.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So before we uh get done, I want to talk
about some theories of paranormal let's do it. We do
you think?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, let's talk about some theories because I mean we've
we've talked about a bunch of them over the years.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I know you mentioned residual.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, I think the biggest portion of what most people
have happened is residual type hauntings.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah. And there's theories out there about it. The multiverse theory,
where say our dimension or our universe, multi universe, our
universe is like a piece of paper with and we're
(36:17):
stacked with a bunch of other universes in like a
stack of paper just away from it. Sometimes we can
get a glimpse it bleeds over. Yeah, it can bleed
over into each universe, so that's a good it is.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And and then the time slip time thing too, because
you know, we had what was his name on First
Person we talked about uh, seeing shadow people and stuff
like that. What was his name? My Crik Secker thinking,
(36:59):
you know, I think it was on the first show
that we had micro Exactor on. He talked to us
about the fact that he was doing a paranormal investigation
at the house or somewhere and when something happened, it
was almost as if it saw them seeing him, so
(37:24):
it acted like they were the ghost and it ran.
So it's almost like two different times have accidentally seen
each other, and so you're their ghost that they're seeing
and they're your ghost that you're seeing. Yeah, it's just
that little bleed over, which which is very possible.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And as far as as in period clothing and stuff
like that. And I don't know is time does it
run consecutively the same.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
No, we perceive it Lenny year, but science says that
it happens all at the same time. So the past
present in the future is happening simultaneously.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
So if you see like a person in old Western
and attire and like a bigger bell dress or something
that could be the other universe. Just bleeding over.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Could be but as different time ye Wor it could
also be just a time slip in your own timeline too. Yeah. Absolutely,
I think that science even gives for all that.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
So I think that's what a lot of these faint
apparitions are just some the bleeding over. Yeah, well, what
was that theory we talked about your consciousness that when
it like, when you die in this universe or dimension whatever,
(38:58):
it jumps to the next universe r energy.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yes, that was the quantum Uh.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I can't think of of what it was we was
talking about. It's got a name.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Hold on one second, I'll tell you. That's sad that
we don't even remember the name of our own show,
isn't it? Let to admit it is, uh, but give
me a second.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Cheating death at a quantity level, it was the name
of the show, Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It was talking about how there's a theory out there
that when you die, you don't necessarily die. You may
die in this reality, but you, what is really you
disperses into the next reality.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, because everything you do wrong or right creates a
different timeline.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yes, every every time you make it a choice, it
creates another timeline looking into that. No, what's going on
in Colorado? That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, we had to lift that up.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah. I had a coworker come to me two days
a day or two days ago and she said her
husband was like, Hey, does your coworker know about the
aliens that are coming? They're talking about the aliens that
are coming and something else, and I'm like, I guess
I'm under a rock because I don't know. I said,
(40:39):
the only thing I know that everybody's talking about is
that three I Atlas and stuff. So I don't know
if that's what they were talking about or exactly what
it was. But I didn't impress them any further on
it because they weren't the ones asking the questions and
they're not really interested in it, So that were just
(41:00):
relaying a message, you know what I mean, anybody else
say anything?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Oh, I was trying to find that theory.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Well, I'll tell you a great movie that was to
me is based on that theory, and that was gently
the one where he was a time cop, actually not
even a time cop. He was a multi dimensional cop
or a multi universe cop. And the premise of that
(41:38):
movie is kind of the same as the premise of
what we talked about in that episode. So our consciousness
has spread between all of us, So every one of you,
every version of you that exists in the multiverse, your
consciousness has spread between every single one of these us.
(42:00):
And so if one of you die, it makes the
rest of you smarter, stronger, whatever, because your consciousness isn't
spread out between as many. And so in that movie,
he decided, Hey, I'm just going to kill all the
rest of me. He goes, how's that killing someone when
I'm killing myself? And at the end it was just
(42:24):
him and another hilmn it's two left in the whole universe,
you know, all the multiverse. But so it was a
pretty good premise of the movie. But I think it's
kind of the same premise as far as when you die,
you don't necessarily die. I mean, to everybody else around you,
that body is dead, but you're what makes you. You
(42:49):
moves into the next.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, and you get stronger. And that's the multi world Yeah,
the multi world's theory. Yeah, that's what it is. The worlds, Yeah,
many worlds interpretation. So that was a good show.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, it was. It was very deep.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
So I think a lot of those so called demons,
and you know, things that haven't walked on this earth
do come from other dimensions possibly, and what we have
in our our plane of existence totally different than what
(43:34):
that other piece of paper may have in theirs. Yes,
they could have all kinds of stuff, some weird stuff
like we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Over the Overstoke says, I did notice how everyone described
the thing without saying it was a saucer ship. Yes,
sounds like the multiverse. It is, our kne discovers it
is a type of multiverse multi world's theory. Yeah, it
definitely is on what you was talking about, though, Jason,
(44:07):
when it comes to we've had these discussions a few times,
and I think, again, look, I'm not knocking on anybody's
religion or beliefs, whatever it is that you believe. You know,
I have theories of my own, just from all of
my research that I've done. And then I try to
(44:27):
bring in some science in it too, because I mean,
you know, we know that multidimensions are real, right, Yeah,
and we do know that a two dimensional being doesn't
perceive the three dimensional being with the four dimensional being
or anything higher, right, So anything higher than you in
(44:50):
the dimensional chain can look down on you like a
like a like a rabbit in a cage, or you know,
a fish in an aquarium.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I think that's how Mitch, you Mitchell Cuckoo said, like
a fish in an aquarium.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yep, yeah. And he says that because they're not aware
of anything outside of that water. Right, you go top
tap on the glass, and they're going to react to it,
of course, but they only know that at certain times.
For some reason, this food just appears on the water
and goes down to them. But they're you know, every
once a while, maybe if you're cleaning it out, crazy
(45:26):
things come in, right, So they're getting abducted and stuff,
you know.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
It's falling from the sky.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
That's it. This this big green thing keeps scooping me
up and put me in another bowl until I later
on get put back in my bowl, right, and all
of a sudden, the green stuff is gone.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
The crypti fish net, that's it.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
That's it. Uh. But you know, I believe that a
lot of these entities that come here, and I think
that maybe even the hat Man or any of these
you know, shadow beings fall into this category. And this
(46:09):
is just you know, just us talking between friends. But
I think a lot of these entities fall into that
same category. And I think that when people talk about possession,
I think it falls into that same category because I
believe that, like we have ticks here that you know,
(46:33):
will get on you and start sucking your blood, right,
they're a parasite. Well, what would a sixth dimensional parasite
look like to us? Or seventh or an eighth or
twentyth or whatever other dimension? What would it look like
to us? How would it inhabit us? How would it
change us? What would it do? We don't know. It's
(46:55):
all speculation, but we definitely know that parasites exist because
they exist on this this level of existence, So why
would not parasites exist on other levels of existence? And
then what would that six dimensional parasite need? Does Does
it need that fear, that hate, that these things that
it tries to draw out of people? Is that what
(47:17):
it feeds on? Maybe? I mean, again, this is all speculation,
but but I think it's just as speculative as anything
else that's out there. But but science could be more
rooted in it, and we do live in a little
bit more scientifications.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Should go on and on with that forever forever.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
That it brought to mind for me the the civilization,
the one, two, three civilizations. Yes, so you could just
keep going with it and keep going with it and
talk about it forever. Yeah, absolutely, gotta got a Do
(47:58):
we think that a dead family member or loved one
can follow you no matter where you go?
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yep? I do, yep. And I think that sometimes when
family members decide to stick around, it is because they
want to a help you be Maybe they're afraid that
they left you in a bad spot. Yeah, and they
want to be around for you emotionally and spiritually. And sometimes,
(48:29):
you know, the best thing that we can do as
loved ones is to let them go, tell them thank
you and and uh and and tell them to go
on to the next thing, because there's nothing that says
that whenever they get to that next place, they can't
still come and visit you. They're just not stuck here
doing it.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
I'm a true believer in I don't know if you
would call them guardian angels or you know, things like that,
but I I do believe that there are people or
things watching us, maybe our loved ones. You're watching us
and sometimes giving us a little nudge to do the
right thing.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yes, and things like that, Yep, yep, yep, our cane
discovery says O Lord. I do believe that. Ever since
my uncle died, when I'm driving, like we used to
do a lot, I smell the cigarettes he used to smoke. Yes,
And that's a lot of times you will hear things
like that where people will say that this perfume that
(49:30):
my grandmother wore, or you know, cigarettes or a certain
pipe tobacco or just these you know, the colone my
grandfather used to wear.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
For some reason, it.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Would just pop up, you know, out of nowhere. And
again speculation, But I really do believe, because this is
that's something that happens to so many people. I think
that's their way of saying, hey, I'm here, you're okay,
(50:02):
I'm okay, you know, everything's okay. And and I think
that sometimes it's also a way for them to let
you understand that, hey, you know, I'm not suffering. I'm
not you know, in any of this stuff, and it's
it's okay. See over the overstoked I because my mom's perfumed. Yes,
and see, this is the things that that you hear
(50:25):
a lot of in this field with people talking about
dead loved ones come in and visited them. You know,
a lot of people will have profound dreams, and I
do believe that they will come and visit you in
your dream sometimes. If I'm not mistaken, My wife has
had several pretty profound dreams about her grandmother, you know.
(50:45):
And and so I believe that that they if even
if it's not something we do, because you know, a
lot of times when people we love die, we hold on.
(51:07):
We don't let them go, and and are they're constantly
in our thoughts. And look, it's okay for these from
to be in our thoughts, but we're always I just
want to see you one more time. I want this,
I want that. And sometimes it's those things that keep
these people here, right see, my shows still do. And
(51:28):
so it's because we as long as we're in these
meat suits, we have a hard time of letting these
things go.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Yeah, and it's hard, but it's needed.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
It needs to happen. You need to let go. You
need to let go of these people. And it's not
saying that you know you don't love them, you don't
want them around, but you need to let them go,
And it's not saying that they won't never come. And
is it you again, not that you won't never get
those experiences of smelling their perfumes or their cigarettes or
(52:06):
any of these things. But you're telling them the same
thing they're trying to tell you, right, You're telling them,
I love you, and I don't want to be the
reason I'm keeping you here. Right.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Let me tell you what happened to me when my
mom died. Before she died, she had bought the kids.
I've probably told you this before. She bought the kids
like a place at swing, said his wooden. Realize, And
I put it up long before, long after she had gone,
(52:41):
maybe six months later. I put it up in the
uh at the house no quicker than I got it
put up. Kids was going to play on it. And
my mom always liked these, liked butterflies. There was all
I bet that there was at least ten yellow butterflies
(53:03):
all over that thing, just flying around it. And I
seen yellow butterflies that whole summer, So I really think
she was there and watching and watching and seeing what
you know, watching the kids play on it. Yes, And
it gave me a real good feeling, right, that she's okay.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yes, and I think that's what that means. Right, I'm good,
I'm okay. Don't worry about me. You know, absolutely, before we.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Get off here, Jason Finch said he believed all of
us as humans and all of our animals all go
to the same place living. I believe that absolutely.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
You know, anybody that's a true animal lover that has animals,
I will tell you they're not lifeless beans. No by
any means baby dogs dreams. She'll she'll make these weird
noises too. It's really funny. She'll be dreaming sometimes and
so it'll sound like you know what to sound like
(54:07):
when water drop drips. She'll start making that noise. Just sleeping,
and then she'll start running and like she's chasing something
right and making noises, and you could hear her running
in her bed and stuff. There's no way you can't
tell me she an't dreaming. Whatever it was, she's chasing
(54:27):
a rabbit or a ball or something. But she's doing
something in her sleep.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Yeah. I don't know if it happened before we domesticated
animals or after, but you can tell the animals do
have emotion. I really believe my dogs cats, and I've
watched gorillas and apes. They really have an emotion, a
(54:54):
sense of love. Yeah, I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, not to say they might have a soul, they
could maybe a little different way, but right, but something's
there for They're definitely energy. Yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
I mean not to say it, you know, in the
generic term, they're alive, but they have been to them
and I think that that when they pass, they two
can come back. And there's a lot of people who
(55:34):
say that they have had their dogs and cats and
stuff come back. Yeah, and seeing them, yeah, I swear,
and Michelle know this. My wife will know this. But
it's not been but about three maybe four weeks ago.
(55:54):
I think I saw Mocha Loka twice and I was going,
holy smokes, you know it was it was interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
So yeah, animals a fact. Uh yeah. I can't be
convinced that they don't go when they shed their bodies,
that that energy does not go somewhere else, the same
as ours.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Right, So absolutely, Stephen says, cars too have their own attitude.
They do.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
That's why we all call them names.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Right, and ani monoposiss could be you know, they could
get be a conduit for something. You know, absolutely, But
I don't think a car when it dies, it don't
go to heaven. I don't think it's spirit travels on
(57:00):
to you.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
No, I don't think it probably didn't have a spirit. Yeah,
oh yeah, he Arcane Discovery said, you know, just like
the story of Jeffrey and Blue that are still roaming
around because their bonds are so deep.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Absolutely, you know, yeah, cats do have that a different sense.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
It's it's weird because sometimes you'll just see him staring
at a corner, you know, just sitting there staring. There's
nothing there, and they might be looking for rats in
the corner. Because even ours, sometimes she'll just sit there
and just she'll just start staring. And I'll tell you
(57:47):
what's funny about ours is that she has started at
not time when we go to bed. She'll come in
a little bit later sometimes, but she sleeps right between
the wife and I and she looks down towards the
foot of the bed the whole time, hearing bugs move around.
(58:08):
That's very possible too. I would be freaked out that
cat if my cat done that, because my cat don't
do nothing but hide. Well, I've seen it kill myce.
It won't eat them, but it'll kill them. That's what
she does.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
When you wake up of morning, it'll have you wouldn't
laying there with its It'll be like nothing but its
head there, and part of it will be somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
It brings them a hole. But there.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
I've seen some pretty ruthless.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Hopefully overstovee tossers as my cats try to push me
off the bed.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
How big is that cat?
Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's about line.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
We want to thank everybody for joining us tonight. It's
been a great show. Yes, thank you talking now.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
We'll have to do this again sometime if y'all. If
y'all would like another show like this where we just
b s and talk and and and everything, definitely let
us know in the chat and everything, because I actually
enjoyed it. This was fun. Nothing written, nothing to have
to follow, no notes, know nothing, just just talking, right,
(59:23):
Jason says absolutely, yes, see already got thumbs up.
Speaker 3 (59:30):
Even if you don't believe in a paranormal it's good
if you would, because you know it could.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Oh yes, let's chat about aliens next over there, Let's
do it, yeah next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
Alien chat could be Yeah, why not if we don't
go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
If we don't do a live investigation, let's do the
next one about aliens.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
Absolutely remember this Saturday, we got through us Draconas on us.
He'll be doing some hard reading to get for free
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Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah, I mean, who doesn't want a free reading. What's
awesome is that he has like so many different decks. Yes,
and then he'll tell you to pick a deck and everything.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah, he's got like one hundred decks and you pick
a number. Yeah, and that number he goes to it that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Deck, to that deck.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I do too, over the overstoked oscars. My wife's got
several decks and I will give myself a reading at
least two to three times a week. Yeah, on some weeks,
I do it every morning before I go to work.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Hey, Steven, we do need to get you on the
show one Saturday for this these videos you sent us
and let's talk about them.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yes, and we need to go and do a.
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Yes, so tonight we decided to do something a little different,
something we haven't done, a.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Little bit different. Well we've done it before, but not
just set. We had a rhythm, you know. Yeah, we
had a guided paper that we would talk from, give
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Maybe you know.
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What we're trying to do is you know, talk with
you and maybe if y'all have any questions or anything
that you have, we will talk about them. Or you
want to talk about anything paranormal.
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Right, anything, anything cryptis, ghosts.
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Jason, do well.
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Ye, well, we're glad you're doing good.
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Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, yep, over the over stoked oscars is here.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
This alright?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh yeah, So what do you want to start off with?
I know you had something that you want to kind
of I want to.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Talk about just like the origins origins of paranormal stuff,
like when it started getting noticed and things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Okay, but.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And it's things like ghosts and spirits. It's not a
recent invention. It's been around since the dawn of man.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I guess that's awesome, Steven. We're glad you got that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You know, a lot of a lot of its origins
are intertwined with the development of the human culture, religion, psychology.
It's not one single point of origin. It's a few
things together. So the concept, you know, it's evolved over
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time from ancient beliefs and human attempts to explain the unknown.
So it has evolved. Well you think about that, well.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I mean I think that when you look out throughout time,
you see people talking about this, right, the occult. Now,
that's called the occult, but every religion has it, right,
all religions have it, and even people who claim to
not be religious, still have some beliefs of some sort usually,
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But I mean, you know, when it comes down to it,
everybody he had something that usually scared him when as
a kid. Oh yeah, most of us did. And a
lot of times we learned to block it and then
lost it, lost the ability to do it by doing it.
(04:18):
And so but I believe that, you know, when it
comes to the paranormal, everybody's had had things happen to them,
and there's no way that that we couldn't. There's a
lot of bad to be said about well I want
to say bad, but a lot of things to be
said about, say the Wars. Yeah, you know, I think
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that a lot of things were kind of overly done,
overly you know, hyped up, I guess you would say.
But they did one thing that was really great though.
They brought this out to the forefront where everything in
their eyes were demons. Though it was kind of crazy.
I was listening to their grandson talk to this morning
(05:03):
before I went to work, and you know where they
wanted to say, everything with demons. I think that when
we see these things, we experience these things, we also
experience them with our cultures. Right, So whatever it is
you believe how you've been raised, all these things kind
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of come together and then focus in on what it
is that you understand these things. Right, So, if you've
been raised in you know, a lot of Abrahamic religions,
you're going to go to these darker entities because these
are the things that that you've been taught that stuff
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like this is. And so you know, we color these
things with our experiences and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But I think that through.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Studying them, doing what we do and going out and
investigating and getting evidence, you actually start seeing a different picture. Yeah,
you know, you start seeing well, I don't know, it's
hard to hard to explain sometimes because I don't I mean,
(06:23):
we all know it's not well, we can't say no, no,
it was a big word. We all believe that it's
more than one type of thing. There's definitely more than
one type of entities out there. You know, you have
residual energies that have nothing. But then you know, there's
a lot of other things that that may play into
this that we just we don't even have any clue about.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
When it comes to the paranormal, well, when at first,
you know, like I was saying, preliterate times when people
you know couldn't read or write, They've done this. It
was called ancestor worship.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
There's still some places that do that, hey, Susan.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That arose from the natural process of people grieving and
trying to understand death. And yes, and you know early
humans observing the absence of a loved one's body, so
they they may have rationalized it in their head that
the person's spirit or soul continues to exist, which I
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think it does from.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
What Stephen says to you know, our minds are kind
of domesticated, and we've not been able to use them
to the fullest. I think that's really good because we've
we've we don't believe the same as we did, like
Jason's talking about way back then before, a lot of
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these things that we know of today, scientific things that
we know of today, you know, kind of seemed to
roadblock sometimes because we're wanting to come up with explanations
for things, even when there is no explanation for certain
things as of yet, right, and so I think that
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roadblocks things.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, I've kind of that was I've personally been through that.
When I was younger, I was scared of the dark
so bad, and I would scream and go on say,
I would see things and hear keys and stuff rattling outside.
And I was just told by people and Reverence too
(08:45):
that it was just my imagination. So I kind of
blocked that off, right yep. And now it's starting to
you know, the more I do this, the more it
opens back up.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yep, yep. And that's a fact, you know. I mean
my wife could attest to that with what she what
happened to her? You know, So what go up a
couple because there's some people on Facebook, so I'm not
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getting the facebooks on my side.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
What was.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
One down a little bit down right there? What does
he saying? He said, You're exactly right as someone that
has been raised Baptist or rebelled against what I was
taught of ran into a lot of stuff. And that's
what happens. I mean, I was the same way. I
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was raised in a very I mean it was a
very strict Christian home. We didn't have our first TV
till I was a teenager. And because it was of
the devil and uh literally, I went to Christian private school.
We went to church every day. The door was open, prayer,
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at five o'clock in the morning on Saturdays. I mean,
I wasn't allowed to have a friend unless they went
to church with me. So I understand. And at a
young age, you know, for me, I have having always
been able to see entities.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Hey Michelle, Hey Michelle, been able.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
To always see these things, made it hard for me
to believe some of the things that were said, you know,
in Sunday school and stuff like that. And so I
started second guessing things along time ago. I was really
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young when when I started going, I just it just
doesn't seem right, you know. Yeah, Steven says couldn't play
Pokemon or any of the other card games.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Well I had. I'll tell you what. I had a
Motley Crew poster I hung up on the wall. You
talking about all hell breaking loose? Really? Yes, I was whipped, ripped, punched.
That ship came down for a Motley Crew poster. For
a Motley Crew poster that's played on w I MZ. Now, Yeah,
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it was. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's when I started listening to Freakazoid Robots. Please report
to the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
That's funny. I don't know, you know, for me, when
it comes to this stuff, though, it hits home a
little a little closer, just because of the fact that
I've always had happen to me, that's happened, right, And
so with with that, I've always known something else was there.
So and people were like, you know, talking bad about
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different things. Hey Jason, Hey, doing buddy, beyond the veil.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, we're going deep beyond the veil.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That's right. And if you if you want to talk
about anything, do like Steven and these and everybody else,
just shout stuff out and we'll we'll talk about it. Yes,
a paranormal discussion. You know. I think with me being
able to see these things my whole life, I've had
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an insight that a lot of people some believe they want,
Hey Jason, but I think that if a lot of
people got it, they wouldn't want it. It's like, you know,
I've told the story about my wife a couple of times,
but you know, she opened herself up. It took some time,
(12:54):
but it was a lot of meditating and stuff, and
she opened herself up and something talked to her one
day and she thought she was losing her mind. Literally.
I was on the road and she called me crying,
and I mean just crying, and I had to calm
her down, and I had to say, your problem is
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that you're rationalized trying to rationalize things that are non rational.
You can't rationalize these things that aren't rational, first of all,
because you will drive yourself crazy doing that. I learned
this at an early age. Oe, right, it is You've
got to go against that.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, it's hard to do. Yes, yeah, yeah. What Jason
steven says, he's been saying for a while and even
on our show, that the veil is definitely thinning.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I believe it. I mean, I do believe that it
is thinning. Jason Finch says he's getting his online courses
to become a caregiver. Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Good.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, Yeah, things do take a while, Jason. But I mean,
you know, that's the thing that when people anybody could
do this. We've had on how many psychics have we
had on the show that says anybody could do what
they do? You just got to put in the time, right, Yeah,
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and the effort. And the thing is is that when
you're wanting to do that, first of all, us living
in the South, you're not worshiping Satan and you're not
going to hell.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It talks about I mean, it talks about I don't know,
casting demons out in the Bible. Well, look it's not
a demon. Everything's not demons, right, very few are. Yeah,
I was two oscars.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You know. The problem I have is is that when
you open yourself up, you're going to get what you
ask for. If you really want it, you're going to
get it. But you need to be mentally prepared for
what it is that you're going to get. And the
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same thing goes for anybody that goes out and goes investigations. Jason,
you as as an example, what when you when we
had our very first one, when you first heard that
first EVP, what went through your mind? I mean, besides
(15:50):
the aftermath of you saying you're not coming back to
my house for a couple of weeks, I mean, really,
what went through your head? Because you know, some of
these people, maybe you wanting to do stuff like that,
but when you come in something skeptical and look healthy,
skepticism is always good. Be skeptical, right, don't believe everything
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everyone tells you, do the homework, you know, find out
answers for yourself. You could use other people for springboards,
but but do the research.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Really when that happened, my stomach like came up to
my throat and I was just I don't know. It
felt like I when you get cold chills, but it
really wasn't a cold chill. It was like a numbing
like the feeling of dread. Have you got that before?
(16:46):
Just something like that because I was scared, and that's
that's what happened to me. And I told David, you know,
I gotta go David, because I was feeling dread. Thought
it was going to kill me.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
But you know that's coming from a fully skeptical mind.
And then getting shown something, Yeah, and then then your
mind went through a rationalization process, didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It Once your brain realizes, hey, this stuff is real.
I mean it's it's not fake. It can that first
time can be pretty rough. But after that, I wanted more.
I want to know more about the afterlife. I wanted
to know.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, it's funny because a lot of our shows for
a minute started going towards the afterlife, what happens afterwards,
and the NDEs and all those kinds of things. But
that's just shows what how your mind kind of clicks.
Because once you realize, Wait, I was just shown something.
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I was there, Right, your mind goes, I was there,
this was faked? What else can I get into? What
else do we need to know? Can I find out
what happens after life after death? Is their life after death?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah? Steven says he needs to take us to the
old haunted places he used to go to as a team.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Let's do it. I'm all for it. I'm busy this Saturday,
but I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Baby girl says, you need to know there's a good
and evil in the things you can ask for. Remember everyone,
everything is listening. Be clear who you're talking to, or
you may get something you regret. That's true.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well you know on that, baby girl, we go back
to just put it in simpler and easier ways to
thinking of this. We go into tools. Right, So if
you're scrying, if you're using the dousing rods, if you're
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using a weed aboard all these things, you are becoming
the conduit for spirit to talk through you through these objects. Right,
So you're allowing these things to take somewhat control to
be able to communicate. Right, So you're right when you're
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talking about those things and knowing how to properly open,
properly close, and to keep yourself separated to where you're
not bringing things back in with you. I really do
believe that, you know what you said. I mean, it's
definitely true, and you know you just have to be
(20:01):
mindful when you do these things, not to just do it.
You know, Parker Brothers has Luigi aboard.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's not just a game.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It is real.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It is as real as going to a place and
doing EVP work and coming out with with EVPs exact
same thing, just a different method. Same thing with with
any any of these you know, older type of things
that we used to to investigate the ghosts. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Stephen says, the old haunted bridges and haunted barn and
a lot of crazy things have happened at web store
in Polk County, which is just down the road from
the Higden Hotel. I've heard of that. M a lot
of crazy things.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Huh that's interesting. Well, we'll have to if we go there. Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
The biggest craziest thing that that you've ever told me
is that dog. Remember the dog and the something crushed it? Oh, yes,
that's crazy, Susan old building, don't just open yourself all
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the way up and welcome.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Oh, you have to.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Block and protect yourself, baby girl. Cast says that's a fact.
You have to protect yourself and but but you also
have to be open to uh, you know, to have
these conversations too. Yes, and you're right overlease overstoked oscars.
(22:01):
You do have to give them permission on some things.
We went and investigated a place again. You know, we're
not allowed to say that. They don't want us to
say where it was. But after a show. What was
it about two or three weeks ago? Jason, A couple
of weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, and it was in Madisonville.
This is the second time we've got to go. We
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went with Susan and Eddie and there's quite a few
other people there. They were there before we were because
we went after you know, we did our Saturday night
show and we just did some EVP work, nothing really
major that night. And I've never had anything follow me home.
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Our house has never had any activity period. I mean,
we we keep this place saged, and you know, we
try to only have good thoughts while we're hearing this high.
We try to not ben the wife. We I mean,
rarely have any you know, fights or anything, even as
far as that goes. But you know, so our house
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is usually a very good vibration here. We've lived here
for six years and never had any kind of activity here.
But after that night, actually that night period, we came
back home, what was it about twelve o'clock when we
got done and we left. We came back home, wound
(23:31):
down just a little bit, went to bed, the wife
and I did, and I'm sleeping. The wife sleeps on
the opposite side of the bed I sleep on. We
have a big, king sized bed, so she sleeps on
one half acre and I sleep on the other half acre.
And the cats are laying down kind of in between us.
But the baby dog is she's in her bed. And
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that's it. Everything's quite in the house. It's probably about
two o'clock at night in the morning, something happens that
has never happened in this home, and it was it
was interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I had woke up for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I don't even know why, but I woke up for
some reason, and I was just kind of laying there
and right beside me.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I heard it.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
First. I heard the bed go kind of hurt, and
then it sunk down like someone sat on the bed
right next to me, like where I was laying, and
I was like, huh, that's that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And then.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
About an hour or so later, the alarm system that's
in the kitchen, the brain part of the alarm system
started going off, not within alarm, but it was saying
something that it has never said before, like it had
lost communication with something. I forgot exactly what it was,
(25:01):
and it said it, I mean like it was a
woman's wasted over and over and over and over and over.
Never had this happen before. And then it stopped. Well,
then like three or four o'clock in the morning, it
started doing it again. So I got up to walk
in there to see what was going on, and as
soon as I opened my bedroom door, it stopped. It
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didn't do it again, and so the next day, of course,
we saged the house, topped the bottom every room of
this house, and nothing's happened since. But you know, it
goes back to tell you that you can inadvertently have
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things hitchhike with you. Whatever that was it did, And
I think whatever woke me up was the sensation that
I knew something was there, but I didn't know something
was there. If you know what I mean. And then
when it's set on the bed, I was like, yes,
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something's definitely here, and then it started making the alarm
system do this crazy thing that it's never done before
multiple times. So yep, you can break things home with you,
but sometimes these things can just tag along because when
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I go into these places, I can't open myself up
completely because you could ask Jason, you could ask my wife.
Some places I get sick and so I can't just
open myself completely up to these places. But that's just
something that happened here recently to us, just since that
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last investigation of ours. So yeah, it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, I've had something I feel like sitting on sat
down on the bed with me before and not before last,
I was laying in the bed and my daughter had
came in there just you know, to lay down and
watch your I've had we got I shouldn't have this,
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but we got a mirror on one wall and the
mirror on this wall. And I just thought about this
after she said it. She says, I just seen a
shadow across the mirror. Get out of here. Yeah, so
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I mean she may have seen it. I didn't press
her about it, but it could be a shadow in
my house. I know, I felt something set on the
bed and I've seen stuff out of the corner of
my eyes, so.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Like a shadow type person.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Like, Yeah, it was really quick, but it's pretty wild.
I like it. Yeah, and don't scare me like it
used to.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
No, yeah, it's not. It's not scary, thank you, Jason Finch.
Susan says when they did Brush You Mountain, Bobby was
bombarded with people and he had to step outside from
all the entities. M Yeah, I'm I know that sometimes
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these things happen, and I don't know. Uh, some people
I think are just a little more open to it.
And I don't think again that it's anything special to
those people. I think that it's just that, like I
told you before, Jason, you know, I was lucky in
my life, and I don't know how either. I'm telling
you with all the with how crazy my life was
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growing up, and the level for the longest time that
we were in church and and everything was of the
devil that I wasn't told that, you know, it was
the devil trying to talk to me all those years.
But I was actually encouraged when I would see ghosts
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and stuff like that, and was told that it was
a gift and everything. I think that's the only reason
that I still retain part of that, you know what
I mean, Because a lot of people grow up in
their parents are oh, you're just seeing things, or it
was just a dream, or you've got an overactive imagination
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like you was told right, And most of the time
that is not the truth. Baby Girl says, Nope, got
to have racket. I don't want to hear the walking
up and down the hall, or dishes, clanking of the
silverware drawer closing hopefully overstoked, Ossler says, I wasn't afraid
(29:54):
of what was happening. I was afraid of my parents.
They didn't want to hear it. Gotcha, Baby Girl says,
that night and I have a sound machine playing rain
and a box fan on high.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I run my TV all night.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So I grew up and this is all the way
up until I got with my wife. And I've always
liked a completely pitch dark room. I don't want any
lights whatsoever in my room. I don't want any noises.
I want it to be as quiet as I could
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get it. But since I've been with my wife, she
has changed me a bit. Now I can say that
I could still go to sleep much better in a
completely quiet environment. But she plays this thunderstorm black screen
thunderstorm stuff on the TV at nighttime when we go
(30:54):
to sleep, and it helps her sleep. So I have
learned to live with it. And we don't have curtains
on our window upstairs in our bedrooms, so that light
shines in, you know, from the like we have over
here by the garage, so it's like.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You, well, at my house, it's never quite no never
never the kids. The kids, I hope they're listening. They're
either bouncing the ball, playing basketball in the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
It's just stuff like that. So I'm used to noise.
Though I like noise when I sleep, I go to
sleep better. I keep my TV on all night, uh,
because I wake up sometimes middle the night and I
watch TV. But I couldn't. I couldn't do complete darkness
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and no noise.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Nady girl Casper says, someone has to snore like a
grizzly bear.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Now I can do that. I can suck the ceiling down.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Over the Overstoke Costs says, I know, too quiet sound
for me. I just I don't know, I've always been
just I want it so quiet that I could hear
a pin drop and to be pitch black where I
can't see a hand in front of my face. That's
the way I've always liked it. And I could just
sleep like.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
The dead and like fifty degrees.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, fifty degrees is optimal. I have to deal with
seventy now because I have a you know, my wife is.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I used to run an air conditioner in the winter,
a window air conditioner.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Hey, I have got my wife to be able to
turn on the ceiling fan in our bedroom at nighttime now,
so I do have that.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
At least, I've got a ceilum fan. I've got a
stand up fan, I've got the TV going. I got
a little blue light in the bathroom, and the kids
are up all night. They're in there, running around, lights
on and off of all the time. So but if
something bad happens, I do have a little chi wall
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where that will bark and bark and bark and bark
and let me know something wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, I have a cha where that will She'll bark
twice and then she runs and hides under her bed
or my bed. But when it comes to the paranormal stuff.
I've always been desensitized to it. I guess because I've
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had it happening to me since I was three. So
I guess that's why it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, now, very true. You can't depend on a cat
for nothing. I mean, my cat. The only time I
hear it's when it's tongue went on some deep.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Hours, lays right in between Michelle and I. Now Jason
says he puts on this crackling four K fireplace YouTube. Yeah,
my wife does the uh the thunderstorm rain and thunderstorm
black screen from YouTube over night.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
You know that would that would give me a freaking
panic attack to hear my own heartbeat and my breathing.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
No, I that's so that's how I go to sleep.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
That would give me a panic attack.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
That's how I go to sleep. I will and you
could ask my wife this, this is it's hilarious. But
I will lay down, I'll find a comfortable spot, I'll
close my eyes and I'll and she'll she'll even say it.
She could hear my uh my breathing change because I'll
start breathing in and out differently, and then I go poop.
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I'm out.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
She faxes it three her biscuit recipe to somebody.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
She does freaking cats. So you know we've got the
fax machines stuff upstairs. She like three nights in a
row has jumped on that thing and started hitting buttons
and all of a sudden, it's going to think, think, think,
and making all kinds of crazy sounds.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
She thinks it's our toy.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, like Michelle said, she's faxing biscuit recipes.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So before we uh get done, I want to talk
about some theories of paranormal let's do it. We do
you think?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, let's talk about some theories because I mean we've
we've talked about a bunch of them over the years.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I know you mentioned residual.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, I think the biggest portion of what most people
have happened is residual type hauntings.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah. And there's theories out there about it. The multiverse theory,
where say our dimension or our universe, multi universe, our
universe is like a piece of paper with and we're
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stacked with a bunch of other universes in like a
stack of paper just away from it. Sometimes we can
get a glimpse it bleeds over. Yeah, it can bleed
over into each universe, so that's a good it is.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And and then the time slip time thing too, because
you know, we had what was his name on First
Person we talked about uh, seeing shadow people and stuff
like that. What was his name? My Crik Secker thinking,
(36:59):
you know, I think it was on the first show
that we had micro Exactor on. He talked to us
about the fact that he was doing a paranormal investigation
at the house or somewhere and when something happened, it
was almost as if it saw them seeing him, so
(37:24):
it acted like they were the ghost and it ran.
So it's almost like two different times have accidentally seen
each other, and so you're their ghost that they're seeing
and they're your ghost that you're seeing. Yeah, it's just
that little bleed over, which which is very possible.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And as far as as in period clothing and stuff
like that. And I don't know is time does it
run consecutively the same.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
No, we perceive it Lenny year, but science says that
it happens all at the same time. So the past
present in the future is happening simultaneously.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
So if you see like a person in old Western
and attire and like a bigger bell dress or something
that could be the other universe. Just bleeding over.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Could be but as different time ye Wor it could
also be just a time slip in your own timeline too. Yeah. Absolutely,
I think that science even gives for all that.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
So I think that's what a lot of these faint
apparitions are just some the bleeding over. Yeah, well, what
was that theory we talked about your consciousness that when
it like, when you die in this universe or dimension whatever,
(38:58):
it jumps to the next universe r energy.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yes, that was the quantum Uh.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I can't think of of what it was we was
talking about. It's got a name.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Hold on one second, I'll tell you. That's sad that
we don't even remember the name of our own show,
isn't it? Let to admit it is, uh, but give
me a second.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Cheating death at a quantity level, it was the name
of the show, Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It was talking about how there's a theory out there
that when you die, you don't necessarily die. You may
die in this reality, but you, what is really you
disperses into the next reality.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, because everything you do wrong or right creates a
different timeline.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yes, every every time you make it a choice, it
creates another timeline looking into that. No, what's going on
in Colorado? That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, we had to lift that up.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah. I had a coworker come to me two days
a day or two days ago and she said her
husband was like, Hey, does your coworker know about the
aliens that are coming? They're talking about the aliens that
are coming and something else, and I'm like, I guess
I'm under a rock because I don't know. I said,
(40:39):
the only thing I know that everybody's talking about is
that three I Atlas and stuff. So I don't know
if that's what they were talking about or exactly what
it was. But I didn't impress them any further on
it because they weren't the ones asking the questions and
they're not really interested in it, So that were just
(41:00):
relaying a message, you know what I mean, anybody else
say anything?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Oh, I was trying to find that theory.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Well, I'll tell you a great movie that was to
me is based on that theory, and that was gently
the one where he was a time cop, actually not
even a time cop. He was a multi dimensional cop
or a multi universe cop. And the premise of that
(41:38):
movie is kind of the same as the premise of
what we talked about in that episode. So our consciousness
has spread between all of us, So every one of you,
every version of you that exists in the multiverse, your
consciousness has spread between every single one of these us.
(42:00):
And so if one of you die, it makes the
rest of you smarter, stronger, whatever, because your consciousness isn't
spread out between as many. And so in that movie,
he decided, Hey, I'm just going to kill all the
rest of me. He goes, how's that killing someone when
I'm killing myself? And at the end it was just
(42:24):
him and another hilmn it's two left in the whole universe,
you know, all the multiverse. But so it was a
pretty good premise of the movie. But I think it's
kind of the same premise as far as when you die,
you don't necessarily die. I mean, to everybody else around you,
that body is dead, but you're what makes you. You
(42:49):
moves into the next.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, and you get stronger. And that's the multi world Yeah,
the multi world's theory. Yeah, that's what it is. The worlds, Yeah,
many worlds interpretation. So that was a good show.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, it was. It was very deep.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
So I think a lot of those so called demons,
and you know, things that haven't walked on this earth
do come from other dimensions possibly, and what we have
in our our plane of existence totally different than what
(43:34):
that other piece of paper may have in theirs. Yes,
they could have all kinds of stuff, some weird stuff
like we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Over the Overstoke says, I did notice how everyone described
the thing without saying it was a saucer ship. Yes,
sounds like the multiverse. It is, our kne discovers it
is a type of multiverse multi world's theory. Yeah, it
definitely is on what you was talking about, though, Jason,
(44:07):
when it comes to we've had these discussions a few times,
and I think, again, look, I'm not knocking on anybody's
religion or beliefs, whatever it is that you believe. You know,
I have theories of my own, just from all of
my research that I've done. And then I try to
(44:27):
bring in some science in it too, because I mean,
you know, we know that multidimensions are real, right, Yeah,
and we do know that a two dimensional being doesn't
perceive the three dimensional being with the four dimensional being
or anything higher, right, So anything higher than you in
(44:50):
the dimensional chain can look down on you like a
like a like a rabbit in a cage, or you know,
a fish in an aquarium.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I think that's how Mitch, you Mitchell Cuckoo said, like
a fish in an aquarium.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yep, yeah. And he says that because they're not aware
of anything outside of that water. Right, you go top
tap on the glass, and they're going to react to it,
of course, but they only know that at certain times.
For some reason, this food just appears on the water
and goes down to them. But they're you know, every
once a while, maybe if you're cleaning it out, crazy
(45:26):
things come in, right, So they're getting abducted and stuff,
you know.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
It's falling from the sky.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
That's it. This this big green thing keeps scooping me
up and put me in another bowl until I later
on get put back in my bowl, right, and all
of a sudden, the green stuff is gone.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
The crypti fish net, that's it.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
That's it. Uh. But you know, I believe that a
lot of these entities that come here, and I think
that maybe even the hat Man or any of these
you know, shadow beings fall into this category. And this
(46:09):
is just you know, just us talking between friends. But
I think a lot of these entities fall into that
same category. And I think that when people talk about possession,
I think it falls into that same category because I
believe that, like we have ticks here that you know,
(46:33):
will get on you and start sucking your blood, right,
they're a parasite. Well, what would a sixth dimensional parasite
look like to us? Or seventh or an eighth or
twentyth or whatever other dimension? What would it look like
to us? How would it inhabit us? How would it
change us? What would it do? We don't know. It's
(46:55):
all speculation, but we definitely know that parasites exist because
they exist on this this level of existence, So why
would not parasites exist on other levels of existence? And
then what would that six dimensional parasite need? Does Does
it need that fear, that hate, that these things that
it tries to draw out of people? Is that what
(47:17):
it feeds on? Maybe? I mean, again, this is all speculation,
but but I think it's just as speculative as anything
else that's out there. But but science could be more
rooted in it, and we do live in a little
bit more scientifications.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Should go on and on with that forever forever.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
That it brought to mind for me the the civilization,
the one, two, three civilizations. Yes, so you could just
keep going with it and keep going with it and
talk about it forever. Yeah, absolutely, gotta got a Do
(47:58):
we think that a dead family member or loved one
can follow you no matter where you go?
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yep? I do, yep. And I think that sometimes when
family members decide to stick around, it is because they
want to a help you be Maybe they're afraid that
they left you in a bad spot. Yeah, and they
want to be around for you emotionally and spiritually. And sometimes,
(48:29):
you know, the best thing that we can do as
loved ones is to let them go, tell them thank
you and and uh and and tell them to go
on to the next thing, because there's nothing that says
that whenever they get to that next place, they can't
still come and visit you. They're just not stuck here
doing it.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
I'm a true believer in I don't know if you
would call them guardian angels or you know, things like that,
but I I do believe that there are people or
things watching us, maybe our loved ones. You're watching us
and sometimes giving us a little nudge to do the
right thing.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yes, and things like that, Yep, yep, yep, our cane
discovery says O Lord. I do believe that. Ever since
my uncle died, when I'm driving, like we used to
do a lot, I smell the cigarettes he used to smoke. Yes,
And that's a lot of times you will hear things
like that where people will say that this perfume that
(49:30):
my grandmother wore, or you know, cigarettes or a certain
pipe tobacco or just these you know, the colone my
grandfather used to wear.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
For some reason, it.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Would just pop up, you know, out of nowhere. And
again speculation, But I really do believe, because this is
that's something that happens to so many people. I think
that's their way of saying, hey, I'm here, you're okay,
(50:02):
I'm okay, you know, everything's okay. And and I think
that sometimes it's also a way for them to let
you understand that, hey, you know, I'm not suffering. I'm
not you know, in any of this stuff, and it's
it's okay. See over the overstoked I because my mom's perfumed. Yes,
and see, this is the things that that you hear
(50:25):
a lot of in this field with people talking about
dead loved ones come in and visited them. You know,
a lot of people will have profound dreams, and I
do believe that they will come and visit you in
your dream sometimes. If I'm not mistaken, My wife has
had several pretty profound dreams about her grandmother, you know.
(50:45):
And and so I believe that that they if even
if it's not something we do, because you know, a
lot of times when people we love die, we hold on.
(51:07):
We don't let them go, and and are they're constantly
in our thoughts. And look, it's okay for these from
to be in our thoughts, but we're always I just
want to see you one more time. I want this,
I want that. And sometimes it's those things that keep
these people here, right see, my shows still do. And
(51:28):
so it's because we as long as we're in these
meat suits, we have a hard time of letting these
things go.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Yeah, and it's hard, but it's needed.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
It needs to happen. You need to let go. You
need to let go of these people. And it's not
saying that you know you don't love them, you don't
want them around, but you need to let them go,
And it's not saying that they won't never come. And
is it you again, not that you won't never get
those experiences of smelling their perfumes or their cigarettes or
(52:06):
any of these things. But you're telling them the same
thing they're trying to tell you, right, You're telling them,
I love you, and I don't want to be the
reason I'm keeping you here. Right.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Let me tell you what happened to me when my
mom died. Before she died, she had bought the kids.
I've probably told you this before. She bought the kids
like a place at swing, said his wooden. Realize, And
I put it up long before, long after she had gone,
(52:41):
maybe six months later. I put it up in the
uh at the house no quicker than I got it
put up. Kids was going to play on it. And
my mom always liked these, liked butterflies. There was all
I bet that there was at least ten yellow butterflies
(53:03):
all over that thing, just flying around it. And I
seen yellow butterflies that whole summer, So I really think
she was there and watching and watching and seeing what
you know, watching the kids play on it. Yes, And
it gave me a real good feeling, right, that she's okay.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yes, and I think that's what that means. Right, I'm good,
I'm okay. Don't worry about me. You know, absolutely, before we.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Get off here, Jason Finch said he believed all of
us as humans and all of our animals all go
to the same place living. I believe that absolutely.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
You know, anybody that's a true animal lover that has animals,
I will tell you they're not lifeless beans. No by
any means baby dogs dreams. She'll she'll make these weird
noises too. It's really funny. She'll be dreaming sometimes and
so it'll sound like you know what to sound like
(54:07):
when water drop drips. She'll start making that noise. Just sleeping,
and then she'll start running and like she's chasing something
right and making noises, and you could hear her running
in her bed and stuff. There's no way you can't
tell me she an't dreaming. Whatever it was, she's chasing
(54:27):
a rabbit or a ball or something. But she's doing
something in her sleep.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Yeah. I don't know if it happened before we domesticated
animals or after, but you can tell the animals do
have emotion. I really believe my dogs cats, and I've
watched gorillas and apes. They really have an emotion, a
(54:54):
sense of love. Yeah, I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, not to say they might have a soul, they
could maybe a little different way, but right, but something's
there for They're definitely energy. Yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
I mean not to say it, you know, in the
generic term, they're alive, but they have been to them
and I think that that when they pass, they two
can come back. And there's a lot of people who
(55:34):
say that they have had their dogs and cats and
stuff come back. Yeah, and seeing them, yeah, I swear,
and Michelle know this. My wife will know this. But
it's not been but about three maybe four weeks ago.
(55:54):
I think I saw Mocha Loka twice and I was going,
holy smokes, you know it was it was interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
So yeah, animals a fact. Uh yeah. I can't be
convinced that they don't go when they shed their bodies,
that that energy does not go somewhere else, the same
as ours.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Right, So absolutely, Stephen says, cars too have their own attitude.
They do.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
That's why we all call them names.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Right, and ani monoposiss could be you know, they could
get be a conduit for something. You know, absolutely, But
I don't think a car when it dies, it don't
go to heaven. I don't think it's spirit travels on
(57:00):
to you.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
No, I don't think it probably didn't have a spirit. Yeah,
oh yeah, he Arcane Discovery said, you know, just like
the story of Jeffrey and Blue that are still roaming
around because their bonds are so deep.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Absolutely, you know, yeah, cats do have that a different sense.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
It's it's weird because sometimes you'll just see him staring
at a corner, you know, just sitting there staring. There's
nothing there, and they might be looking for rats in
the corner. Because even ours, sometimes she'll just sit there
and just she'll just start staring. And I'll tell you
(57:47):
what's funny about ours is that she has started at
not time when we go to bed. She'll come in
a little bit later sometimes, but she sleeps right between
the wife and I and she looks down towards the
foot of the bed the whole time, hearing bugs move around.
(58:08):
That's very possible too. I would be freaked out that
cat if my cat done that, because my cat don't
do nothing but hide. Well, I've seen it kill myce.
It won't eat them, but it'll kill them. That's what
she does.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
When you wake up of morning, it'll have you wouldn't
laying there with its It'll be like nothing but its
head there, and part of it will be somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
It brings them a hole. But there.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
I've seen some pretty ruthless.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Hopefully overstovee tossers as my cats try to push me
off the bed.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
How big is that cat?
Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's about line.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
We want to thank everybody for joining us tonight. It's
been a great show. Yes, thank you talking now.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
We'll have to do this again sometime if y'all. If
y'all would like another show like this where we just
b s and talk and and and everything, definitely let
us know in the chat and everything, because I actually
enjoyed it. This was fun. Nothing written, nothing to have
to follow, no notes, know nothing, just just talking, right,
(59:23):
Jason says absolutely, yes, see already got thumbs up.
Speaker 3 (59:30):
Even if you don't believe in a paranormal it's good
if you would, because you know it could.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
Oh yes, let's chat about aliens next over there, Let's
do it, yeah next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
Alien chat could be Yeah, why not if we don't
go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
If we don't do a live investigation, let's do the
next one about aliens.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
Absolutely remember this Saturday, we got through us Draconas on us.
He'll be doing some hard reading to get for free
tarot readings for all of you people that call in,
and we're gonna have the phone line open for you
to call, and we hope everybody joins us and calls in.
(01:00:13):
Here be a good time to get your free reading.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah, I mean, who doesn't want a free reading. What's
awesome is that he has like so many different decks. Yes,
and then he'll tell you to pick a deck and everything.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah, he's got like one hundred decks and you pick
a number. Yeah, and that number he goes to it that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Deck, to that deck.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I do too, over the overstoked oscars. My wife's got
several decks and I will give myself a reading at
least two to three times a week. Yeah, on some weeks,
I do it every morning before I go to work.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Hey, Steven, we do need to get you on the
show one Saturday for this these videos you sent us
and let's talk about them.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yes, and we need to go and do a.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Investigation when you get. When you get a Saturday free,
just let us know because after this Saturday, we're free
for a little bit except for two dates, three dates
in October November we're free.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah. October. We've got one's on a Thursday. One of
our talks at the UT is on a Thursday. And
then we've got the talk in the Knoxville Library.
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
What is that on the eleventh, eleventh. Then we're gonna
be at on the twenty fifth, we're gonna be at
Misfits and Mayhem here in Louden.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, if you're in the local area and you want
to stop buying and say hey to us, we'll be
set up there in the Louden downtown Louden area.
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
We're gonna be sporting our new books.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yes, we got three books now everybody, or actually for
our lives. Well, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
You brought the I brought the edition one back out
on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
So so we have edition one, Edition two.
Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Oh man, I didn't put that in my notes. Oh
it's all right, I don't have Edition one of my notes.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
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We need watch hours. Yeah, so YouTube is a place
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Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
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their time with us and and uh and everything. We
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Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
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