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Speaker 1 (01:01):
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Speaker 5 (01:39):
All right, welcome everybody to the night show. It's Saturday, Saturday.
It's August ninth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Yes it is.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
It's exactly six days after my birthday.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
How's a pill?
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I feel older? My body feels old.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
How's your mind feel?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Crossed? Yeah? Everything?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
When I sleep at night, the fan blows straight through
my ears. Hey, we got a great show tonight, we do.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Yes, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
We got Chris and Chrissy Dunham with They're from within
the Cauldron and they got that's their podcast name. They
have a coven of Witchcraft. Coven. We're gonna be talking
about witchcraft and hopefully a lot of other things that
they want to bring up. So, uh, Chris and Chrissy
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duneh them along and along with their cousin Nico. He's here,
he's the corn fed witch.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
We'll ask him, already asked him.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Ask him again. So also, Uh, they're Chris and Chrissy
are known within the pagan community as Thunder and Gypsy.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
They are lineage witches and prominent pagan leaders who have
significantly impacted the communities of Iowa and Colorado and maybe more.
Since I got this bio, I don't know. This is
the older bio.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Well, I mean they've been doing their podcast, they said,
just almost a year now, Yeah, a year and they're growing. Yeah,
so it's probably spread a little more than that.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Yeah, they got over thirty years of experience and they've
dedicated thirty years of organizing events and fostering connections and
growth within the pagan world. They have served as high
priests and priest of the Coven of the Blessed Lady.
Now this is a family coven that expanded to include
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three sister covens, which they'll have to tell us about. Yes,
so I'm gonna go ahead and bring the guys own
hey to the seasons again. Yes, we just seen you
want to go. But hey, guys, doing.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
How are y'all doing yourself good?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yes, we're doing Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
So, I know the bio was a little you've been
on You was on the show probably six months ago
or we was. So has anything changed?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, both Nico and us Uh, I guess you could
say we're authors now.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Have done.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
And there's more coming from Chris and I because we're
doing a Foundations of Witchcraft one, two, three, four, and
then we're going to do a kind of like a
memory book of our life as Covent leaders and community
leaders too as well.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
H that's amazing. Is that book on Amazon?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It's right now, it's on pay Hip. It will be
an Amazon probably in the next month or so.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Okay, Yeah, hopefully the Foundation's book and there you know,
it's a three books series, and hopefully the Foundation books
and these other two books that come up behind it
will help a person finder spiritual path without having to
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what would you say, chase through the woods looking for
answers like we had to. So hopefully, you know, try
to put a positive spin.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah, that's good, that is positive. So, Nico, I've noticed
that you kind of liked our intro song.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh yeah, I loved it. I also write pagan music.
So I'm I'm a huge fan of uh parody songs
and just the weird songs people make. I love them.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Yeah, that song was a pretty good song, I think.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Yeah. Yeah, Jason wrote that one.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yeah, I made that song.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
So, So, like you was talking about with the books,
you know, Jason and I kind of understand because we're
in the process of writing a book another book ourselves
on paranormal investigations and and it's kind of a how
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to book kind of. It's almost like a one oh
one type book because there's so like you said, there's
so much out there in this world that people are
getting information from here and here and everywhere, and some
of it don't mash, you know, and someone a good
foundation of if you want to be successful and you
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want to you want to do this, and you actually
enjoyed doing these kind of things, this is this is
kind of what you need, you know. Yeah, And so
to do something like that really does help and benefit
everybody that's that's trying to seek out that information.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, and Nico has done some books too, So you know,
you can find these books on our website that we
do have. It's in the card run. So I mean,
they're really easy to access if you don't have the
form a payment. You know, we do all kinds of payments.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Just let us know.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I think on pay hip it just allows like PayPal,
so you know, if you don't have PayPal, you have
cash app or or something else, just let us know.
So we want to make it easy for everybody, right.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah, are we? We We usually just take airs to
the conferences and festivals and sell them on and was
on which I mean and our website. If you go
to any festivals, you'll do a whole lot better than
Amazon and me tell you that.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Yes, yeah, they have.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
That's a question I want to ask. Do they have
festival Pagan festivals?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, yep. Chris and Chrissy organized the festival for thirty years. Yeah,
and then I just started, uh about a year ago.
We started doing open public rituals locally here and I
started with organizing and set up for that.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Well, that's interesting, it is.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah. We did some resultstice here in Iowa for a
few years, then jumped into Pagan Pride mm hmm. Then
we thought, oh we're going to let's move to Colorado
and me and Chrissy's going ma'am ten years of this,
we can relax a little bit. We did relax, you know.
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The pagan found out that we was out there and
they just nailed right on us. Come on you big
in pride and all this, and it's like, holy cow,
no great, I guess for the wicked.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Huh.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yes, hey, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
But it was really enjoyable. You know, you get to
meet different people, learning about different religions. Yeah, to me,
it was great. You know, It's been one of those
learning curves and that right in my life.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
You know, probably will be starting another one for probably
June or July next year with our sponsor. It's gonna
be called Mother Earth Gathering here in Iowa. But it's
just it's just talk right now. It's not me planned
out just yet.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Steve Stephen is asking a question when you said that
those that youre starting to do open rituals, what what
type of open rituals? What you doing?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So we do the.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Following the Wheel of the year kind of the open
Witches holidays. So we just had on last Saturday was
our Lumbest ritual, which is the first harvest, and so
lots of grain, corn bread, we put on a pot
luck and we honor the first harvest and bring in
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the abundance, and so there's a small ritual and then
you know, calling the corners the whole witchcraft circle, and
then it's an all ages events, so we have crafts.
We made corn dollies and did self empowerment and strength
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spell bottles this year, and then we had a whole
pot luck and chatted away with some friends and had
a fantastic time. My cousin and christ and Chrissy's daughter
shrove out and came up to meet me for us. Actually,
it is really.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Nice, that's awesome. How how how do you how does
the public usually take these events? Do you ever hear
any negative stuff or of it over it or do
you actually ever hear positive stuff too?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Though positive?
Speaker 6 (11:24):
This world is full of negativity, and that's an easy
thing to give out to somebody, But how about positivity?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Positivity especially within the community, because we you don't have
to be a part of a coven to come like
it's an open event for everybody in the local community,
or if you want to drive and come out, you're
more than welcome to. And it's just it's about making
community and bringing people together. But as a lot of
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pagan events have you occasionally get a conservative religious group
that will stand on the the outside of the event
with their megaphones and they're praying to save our souls
and that we're devil worshipers and we're just over here
trying to bring in the harvest and abundance and spread
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love and joy for people. Not then there's no devil.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Involved, right, Yeah, that's crazy. We get that here a lot.
I mean, this is the Bible belt and and it's
just terrible the way people act if you're not a Christian.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Here.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
It's Christianity's here.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, and well Christianities just sometimes like for us, they
don't see the light. They don't see the light work
that you're doing.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah, right, I mean it's the way that that that
these festivals and things that that you're doing. It sounds
like a community of love and commitment and just trying
to be yeah, i mean togetherness, oneness.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
It is it is.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I mean, we're just worshiping the mother Earth, you know,
not doing anything bad. You know, it's just that the
negativity comes for those who just doesn't understand and those
who really don't want to understand, you know. It's like
you said. You know, if you're not part of the
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Christian beliefs, then you are going to go to hell.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
But these people think that they're doing the right thing. Yeah,
you know, because Christ somewhere said stand against it. You know,
he said to stand against the darkness. But I don't
think he said, hey, go out there. Christ was more
accepting than what people realize.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You know he was.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
He was trying to teach us to be like him,
not to be him, but to be like him.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Well there's an irony too, And the Book of Isaiah
there's a passage that says, blest are those who follow
the ancient path, for they will find rest within their soul.
And a lot of witches use that as a biblical
authorization to worship field ways and continue doing what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, that's I don't know. You got people that take
it and twist it and I've got it.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
Oh yeah, right here, and it says Heathen right across
the top of it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I tell people I'm a bairfoot tree hugging Heathen all
the time.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
So I asked you backstage, So Nico the corn fed witch,
how's that corn fed witch? How's that come across?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So? I'm here in the Midwest, surrounded by cornfields, and
I am a I'm in the granny witch practice, which
or ozark full practice. And there is a thing called
corn spirits, and they are spirits of abundance and prosperity
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that live within the cornfield there would inspire the children
of the corn movie, believe it or not, come German folklore,
and I venerate them, partially due to the proximity to
the fields, but also they're underutilized, I think within my
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witchcraft practice. So I try to spread awareness about them.
And so I became known as that guy that works
with the things in the cornfields, and it became the
corn fed witch.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
That's pretty gnat That is pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
So like the granny witches we have here, a lot
of the folks were descendants of natives. Are those who
grew up with the land and the signs.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Both I'm record and my grandma is an oz are
a full practitioner. Right.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Oh yeah see, I got that. Yeah, that's amazing. So
what have you all been doing here lately? Like anything,
how's the show been going? What have y'all been doing
with the show.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Actually, the show has been doing really good. I mean
you know, you're gonna have some hits and miss you know,
some shows goes over well, some doesn't. You know, it's
like testing the waters and everything. What on the shows
that I think are really given us really good vibes
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is the UFOs, paranormal cryptids. Everybody's always interested in the unknown.
Of course, we get some We get a lot of
authors too, and that helps out others that like to
they like that author, so they like to see the
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author on to somebody they know, like us, and they
ask questions and everything, so you know, they really like
that as well. It's just it just seems like the
UFO the Unknown supernatural goes over much better, right, So,
which we happen to have. Nico and my daughters did
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another YouTube channel just for that purpose called Behind the
Witch's Vel. So that is another YouTube channel that we
also do as well.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's paranormal scryptis folkloric creatures, paranormal experiences, anything that goes
bump in the night.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
So so it's a lot like what we do. Then
anybody that likes what we do need to need to
go over there and see that. Then.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
So I got a question, what do you guys think
about Bigfoot? I mean, what's your belief on the subject.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I would like to take a glimpse to probably see
him in a distance. I do not when to get
close to him, of course, but I do believe that, yeah,
that he does excess amongst other cryptos too as well.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Yeah I've seen him, Yeah, I have seen him one time. Yes,
one time as a truck driver. It was a road siding.
But the wife and I team drove for a long
time and we was in Washington State going on I
ninety going towards Seattle, is like eleven o'clock at night.
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I was driving. I did all the night time driving.
My wife was a daytime driver, and it was about
eleven o'clock at night. And long story short because people
who listen to us a lot probably get tired of
hearing it. But but he came up out of the
median and three steps cleared the whole interstate and was
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going back up the other side of the of the
interstate up mountain. And that was before I could get
to him in the eighteen wheeler. And I'll say he
was massive. I could have pulled over, rolled down my
window and probably had a face to face conversation with him.
Is I think one of the things that's the hardest
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thing to wrap your mind around is that A they
do exist, but b how massive these things are, but
yet how nimble and quick they are. It's almost like
you just it's hard to fathom that those two could
even go together.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yes, I remember when I don't know, I was like
nineteen twenty, I was down around this crip called so
Crick and I was up behind the cemetery and seeing
like fourteen inches really big, you know, boot prints about
fourteen you know, size fourteen foot if not bigger. You know,
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I've never seen him, but I have seen the foot
prints there right, So you know, I'm sitting there going wow,
my friend Brian, he is like this bigfoot. I'm like, what,
I never wrote a bigfoot other than when I was
a little kid, you know, seeing that that real that
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was being played in the theaters when I was younger.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Yesssi or MESSI. What's her name, Patty, Patty from the
Patterson Gimlin films.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, yeah, but I found that really fascinating when I
was a little kid, because I think I was on
fifth sixth grade maybe younger. Yeah, it was about the
time that the plan of the Apes and all that
was playing at the theaters.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You know, which is his favorite movie of our times.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yeah, I remember the first time I seen the big
Foot was on a six million dollar man.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Yes, often and Bigfoot were fighting.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yes, I remember seeing that episode when it first came out,
but that I didn't think it was real. But i'fter
seeing that that footprint and kind of putting in the
Patterson film together with it, and plus what everybody else is,
why can't it be real? You know believe in very
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so you know, why can't there be big But there
are things that we cannot explain in this world exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And I know people who classifyed big Foot as a fary. Yeah. Yeah,
I've also heard maybe an alien. There's so many interesting
theories on it. But I agree. I also believe the
Bigfoot exists. But I believe that a lot of folklore
creatures exist. They're just very good at hiding.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yes, I think.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I think some of them are. Some of them are
physically here and very good at hiding, and others can
move through either dimensions or reality. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
A couple of weeks ago, we had Greg gogels On
and he's a filmmaker, and he actually filmed Bigfoot. I mean,
he's actually got some really good film. We watched his
newest one, didn't we Jason, But he said that he's
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been out to do a film and he has seen
completely into a portal. He goes, it was not time
where he was at, and he was seeing into another
forested area, but it was daytime.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And uh.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
And so he said that he also had two friends
that accidentally stepped into a portal and when they came
back out, they ended up dying not too long after,
a couple of years after or so, of major cancer. Yeah,
he says that that he his belief is is that
the reason you see all these orbs around Bigfoot and
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stuff is that they can actually trans The ones who
do this dimensional travel has to be in that energetic
form to go back and forth, because you can't be
in a physical body to trap, you know, transverse into
those other realities.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, it's pretty neat.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Oh yeah, So do you think maybe we might could
conjure these beings?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Mhm? I mean there's people that go call UFOs, Yes, yeah,
there's plenty of I'm sure you can craft a ritual
to call a bigfoot. There's one to call a windogo,
so I don't see why it'd being in different Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
I don't know why you'd want to call the windygo
though those are not very good preachers.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Don't recommend it, but it does exist. There. There is
a dinner ritual to Oh.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
My god, I mean they could possess you. I mean
those all kinds of things that that windy gooes could do.
I would stay away from that one.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Have you guys heard of Joey George. He is Joey
the UFO Magnet George and a replace he goes. There's
always like a UFO or some kind of a cryptid
that it's next to him. We interview him and was
very very interesting because I mean he talks forever. He
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loves to talk about everything and everything. Oh and we
have company with our dogs when I come and say hi. Yeah,
he talks about everything about and he has some really
great pictures of UFO. So if you ever do UFO segment,
he'd be a person to contact.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
To as well.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Okay, yeah, that's awesome because we do like to do,
you know, delve into the UFOs and all that good
fun stuff. What was his name During World War two,
Alistair Crowley, you know, supposedly was was talking to another
dimensional creature during that time, or person limb, and you know,
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his pictures of him looked like a gray alien and
a lot of people say that the things that he
was doing at that time is what opened up the
first dimensional portals to allow UFOs to start coming in,
because after that, you know, we started seeing more and
more and more of them that those portals were never closed.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
We have.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
We had actually had two UFOs by actually three, I guess,
but two UFOs that actually follow us during the night
time because one time we was just traveling on the
road and going to the gas station, that's all we
was doing, and our lights kind of flicker off and
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on the radio was something but white noise looks kept
going up and down wo and it's like probably a
good three minutes maybe, and then all of a sudden,
everything came back to no more and everything and we
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heard this s with the just uh bright light just
going overhead, and that was it, and we both looked
at each other like, you know, what was that? So
it was pretty interesting, and there was another time where
we was coming back picking up the kids and it
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was on the interstate. Yeah, we was on the interstate
and one of our friends of us driving behind us
and says he caught us on the cellphone and says, hey,
look to you left, And we looked and there was
just side by side just something just you know, flowing
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on around.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Like this.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You know, it's just going up and down like going Hey, guys,
do you see me?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you see you know? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
But the thing is that one time when the lights
and the locks was going crazy. You know, it was
probably like three minutes, maybe five, I don't know. It's
like we lost track of time. But I kind of wonder,
you know, were they trying to adopt us, were they
juster or what. So it's it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I was going to ask you that did you have
any lost time, like minutes or anything like this?
Speaker 6 (28:36):
At times.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
We both just looked at each other like what is
going on?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
What is going on?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
You know, and were just looking out the window and
couldn't see anything.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
No, I don't think we did a lot of people that,
you know, did you get probed, Chris?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I hope not.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I mean that memory gone is what he's saying they
could probably bring you back right at the same time
you left. I mean nothing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know a lot of people said that they do that.
But we had another time down in a It was
really floggy out and I remember we was going through
Iowa City and we saw something up above us and
that's all you could see was the bottom of it,
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and it was following us through the lower part of
the town toward the highway. When we was going out
of town and it chased us and I pulled right
into a busy place. I was like, I don't want
nothing to do with this. I don't want to do
with this. But that was scary to me because I
realized at that time what was going on.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Right, reality set in and you're like, oh man, the
possibilities here. Probing is never fine.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I never know why.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
He's never been the same since.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
So check your belly button too. The reason why wake
up the.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Night, she's gonna be looking up my belly button.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
She's gonna have one of those head lights, those lights on.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
The reason I say that is because I knew a
guy I rented from him a long time ago. When
I first got out of high school and he had
a he had a UFO abduction and he would tell
me about it, and he showed me the scars and everything.
But he said he saw a mother's he called it
the mother ship, and he was mowing a church lawn
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the graveyard, and he said it came down and done
some kind of nighty new return And the next thing
he remembers, he's back in the graveyard and it's a
few hours later.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
And and he has this slid in his belly button
where they done something to him or put something in him.
I don't know, but he does have a scar there.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
That's interesting.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And after that he said he could see orbs in
his house and and a lot of different stuff. And
I believed him at the time, because I mean, why
would he lie to me. Yeah, that's that's the reason
I asked you about the belly button.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, we're getting so we do is roll over.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
So let's talk about witchcraft. Some of our listeners may
not you know, understand it or or anything exactly. Can
you just like give a definition of of what you
guys do and and stuff you.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Want to take that?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Sure, Well, you know, we have to look at the
concept of what witchcraft actually is. It was talked about
during during the Old Testament times. It was talked about
and it's pretty much the dogs trying to get you.
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Maybe what's the matter? Hey, hey, be good girl. But
witchcraft is the practice of becoming harmoniously in tune with
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what is surround you with nature. For me, it has
opened up my world of spirituality, of my religious beliefs.
You know, it's one of those things where when I
walked through the forest, I feel at one with it.
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I see spirits, I see ferries. Definitely have a connection
with the God and Goddess. I've met all kinds of
cool people upon my journey. I found that God is real.
That was my first quest when I became a witch,
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was to find out whether God was real or not.
And I'll tell you what, He's realer than what you
guys could ever imagine. You know, people talk just Amy's
with us, little heart. She decided to show up.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Well, anyway, you know a lot of people, don't they
They kind of prefixed that. A lot of us are
seeking power, but a lot of us in actuality is
being called back home. Yeah, we realize, as you guys
would call heaven. Okay. For us, it's walking hand in
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hand with their gods spiritually in between worlds and also
on this plane. So a lot of people they get
misconstrued with witches are black. Well, I haven't really haven't
known a which to do really anything bad bad.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
I think a lot of it. It's probably.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Pop culture.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
There's a little important exploiting the pagan beliefs and witchcraft.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I think that ye go back to Puritanic belief where
the folklork witches and the things people were accused of
back then, you know, dancing with the devil, selling souls,
seducing people, blaking crops and striking animals down or sacrificing things. Yeah. Uh.
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For for me, magic is about putting yourself back into
the cycle of nature because we're animals. I know a
lot of people want to believe that we're on the
you know, the top of the chain, and that we
exclude ourselves from nature, but we are very much part
of the natural world, and that when you kind of
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rewild yourself back into the natural cycles and slow things down,
you get this level of peace that I It's very
hard to explain, but if you've ever been hiking in
the woods and you get that calm, clear mind like
that's kind of the goal is being present in the moment.
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And you'll hear a lot of witches who will make
like some extreme supernatural claims. And I'm not saying that
we we can't bend things a little bit there from
personal experiences that there there's quite a bit that humans
are capable of, yes, And but it's it's not the
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scary thing that people think of. We don't sacrifice animals
or eat children. I'm not green. I don't have words
on my nose.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Maybe so and when yeah, when so one comes up,
we might.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Yes, what is magic to us?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
So I was raised to my mom's Kevin, and for me,
that's all I've ever known is being a witch. Like
my earliest memories is being underneath my mom's altar as
her Kevin is doing ritual and chanting and calling the
elements and the goddess.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
So can I ask you a question?
Speaker 7 (37:34):
Let me finish my question. It does all the time.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
On go on, come on, let me get it out.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
Okay, spin it out already?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
What does magic?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Bill?
Speaker 7 (37:50):
I was about to get there, but you cut me off.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
So for me, it's as like as I'm going outside
and I the wind hitting my skin and it's like
cleansing to me, or the water being a portal, or
the fire being a wait for me to release and
let go, you know what I mean. It's like everything
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to me, even cooking, I intertwine with my magic, when
I get dressed, when I get a drink, when I
just like everything for me, even being a mother and
teaching my children to be open minded and kind to others,
because you.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Never know what anybody is truly going through.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Right, So I feel like magic is everywhere, within the animals,
within the ground, within the dirt.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
It's just people have to see it.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I think magic is always really existed.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
But well, if we change the burbage energy, Yes, we
work with energy, and it's the energy of the universe,
the energy that everything puts off, and that'd be more
digestible for people where it's like we're we're working with
the energy of everything around us and the energy of
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ourselves and other people.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, and to me, magic is everyday life, you know,
just ain't doing rituals and stuff like that. To me,
what like with us talking that is magic, hearing our
voices that is magic, And our emotions are magic. When
we knew and we pray to our gods, that is magic.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
Making a wish on your birthday on your cake is magic.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
Right, Knocking on wood is magic. And you know it's
funny because here in the South, you know, we have
a lot of these things that we do here. Right,
It's like someone will say something, you're like, oh, knock
on wood. You know, everything turns out good, But you're
actually telling the wood spirits, you know. Hey, that's that's
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helped me out here.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Knock on the what of the first tree as you
enter the woods, to let the spirits know you're there. Yeah,
that's where it.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, I told you mother is from Alabama, so we
have strong Southern roots as well.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So yeah, I told down by the area where they
live by.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Yeah, here in East Tennessee.
Speaker 7 (40:26):
He's beautiful. The Smoky Mountains is spread taking.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Yes, yep, we're just we're just minutes away from this.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
I don't know if you see the comment where Steven
says there's a folkalre story from this area of a
witch which sounded harmless. From the story, she was a
part of the natural world and the remedies in the
time period this happened.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
She was pretty much casted out of the town uh
into the mountains, and the story takes a dark turn
because she was casted out and she tried so hard
to come with something to be accepted again, and so
the story took a dark turn where she's tired and
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she brings things back to life or something like that.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I feel like it's very common for which to be outcasted,
like I I've lost people in my life just because
of Sanema.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
For me, I've lost a lot of friends, you know,
because of me being a witch. But what's really funny, though,
is before they find out that I'm a witch, they'll
start talking about God. I'll carry on a conversation for
an hour, hour and a half. Then they'll look at
me and say, man, you sound like a really good Christian.
And I look at him and go, oh, I'm a witch.
Speaker 7 (41:52):
Tell me that I'm more a Christian than people you
call it.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
So I think there's a very little difference between the two.
I mean, yeah, you're still searching for for that.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
I feel like all religions are connected in a way.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Witchcraft has changed since the Burning Times, yeah, right, it
really has. It has become more friendlier. You know, back
in the fifties, you know, it was finally legalized here
in the United States, and people start coining the word wicka,
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which to me is like a safety word, right you know,
it gives us that we who are you wicked.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Or wicked feel like there's a fear coming out and
seeing you're a witch as well, especially during these times
right now, Like it's I've talked to you witches because
I travel a lot. When I was in Salem, I
had witches telling me hyperesis is telling me that they're
scared right now.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Really you're a witch? Yeah really? So what what would
be what's going on now that would I think?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (43:09):
What is that the National Christian Organization or something?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's just a bit I think more threats
towards people of our faith right now, and I feel
like people are just feel threatened.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Is that dog opening that door?
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Full ahead, Bud and it will open up.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
He's like, I just want to be part of it.
That you know many quite a few years ago, you know,
the wife and I started on a trying to get
away from I mean, I've I haven't believed in say Christianity,
and since I was a little kid, but we started
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going into manifestations and and and and uh, going down
that road. And and what's really neat is that when
you put these thought experiments, and you actually put these
thoughts out and you focus on these things to actually
start seeing these things coming to you, yea, and I
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mean not just thing, I mean physical things as well
as other things. You know, you can see these things
start coming to you. And and then the more you
study into stuff like that, and you notice how even
science gets into it right with with you know, yeah,
the double slit experiment shows that we can affect our
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reality around us. You know, if you look at the particle,
it no longer becomes a particle, It becomes a wave,
right But the second you don't look at it no more,
it goes back to being a particle. And so we
can and we do affect everything around us. And so,
like you said, I think that if you look at
it in a certain way, chance is starting to say, yes,
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we do affect our reality. And and so it only
brings legitimacy to you know, these kinds of these kinds
of things.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
You know, this this is the thing that I run
into a lot people's who are a christianiay, magic isn't real,
And I'll look at them and say, really, then why
is it? When I experience some magic within a ritual,
everybody around me witnesses it and they feel it too.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Manifestation comes from your heart, you know what I'm saying,
something that you you really wish for or you desire, yes,
or a change that you want in your life. And
I think that a lot of people don't realize that
Christ himself taught the these things right, you know, and
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people don't. They'll go, oh, no, he didn't know he
just changed water to wine. How did he do that?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (46:10):
He manifested it?
Speaker 6 (46:11):
Yes, yeah, Well.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
There's a lot with that too, where you know, there's
Christian faith healers and people that pray prophecies and it's
somehow socially acceptable for them to be capable of doing that.
But when we're not involved with the church, that when
I go to our spells, which you know, that's just
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a prayer, right, it's a pyramid physical. We're lighting candles
for giving offerings to the spirits that we work with,
and ultimately we get what we want out of it.
It's a transactional relationship. And but that's wrong. It's the
the unapproved way of getting things. And but there theirs
(46:57):
is okay well, which is an interesting dynamic. But I
don't think that there's the wrong way to be spiritual
or to pray to your spirits, as long as you're
not harming anybody what you want.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
I feel like it's definitely like a personal thing to me,
connect to their faith or to the spirits or whatever.
Speaker 7 (47:18):
I don't feel like it's really our place to dictate
how they do it, right.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I think that a person is drawn to their ancestral
religious experiences in their past lives, right, you know, I
believe in reincordination. Is it real to me? It is
because I remember things from the past, So you know,
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is it real to me?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
It is?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Am I crazy? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (47:51):
As a kid, I've had some dreams that were of
things that I interpret today as as me remembering past lives.
And a lot of it is because I grew up
in a very strict Christian home. I mean I went
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to Christian private school. I wasn't allowed to have friends
unless they went to our church with us. I mean
it was we didn't own a TV until I was
a teenager, because that was of the devil. That's how
strict of a home that I lived in. And you
wonder why I shunned all that stuff. Right, But with
all that being said, you know, when I was about
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nine years old, I started having these dreams. So now
I've not had TV in my life, and I've had
this this strict you know, upbringing, and I start dreaming
of being a pilot, of parachuting out of a plane.
I would jump off the top bunk of my bed.
I'll be sleep sleep walking, I guess, but I'd jump
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off the top bunk of my bed and I'd wake
up and I'd be standing up on my floor. And
but one time I had one where me and my
stepdad went on a scouting trip and I set up
my little pup tent. He said, his tent up next
to mine, and you know, you do whatever you do
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during the scouts during that day, and then went to
bed that night. Now at the time, we lived out
in West Texas and out no desk to Texas and
it's just desert, you know, and went to sleep. Next
thing I know, Now I'm asleep during this, but I
wake up to hearing gunshots and hearing like mortars going off,
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and you could smell sulfur in the air. And I
look down and I'm in like green, solid green, you know,
shirt and pants, and I've got a rifle in my hand,
and so I take off running and I'm shooting, you know,
towards people that are shooting towards me, and I could
hear I mean just it was like I was literally
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physically there. I could smell it, touch it, feel it,
taste it. I mean I was emerged into it. The
only thing that woke me up from this dream was
West Texas and I was barefooted. I was about a
mile away when I had so many thorns in the
bottom of my feet that it finally woke me up
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and so I had to sit there and pick all
the thorns out of my feet and walk back. But yeah,
that was that was probably the most lucid dream that
I have ever had in my life.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
A past life that that there was showing you too,
you know, So that's something you might want to look into,
having a past life regression maybe and see if you
can connect the two.
Speaker 6 (50:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean having no TV
or nothing, so I'd never watched a war movie before.
I had never been introduced to any of this stuff.
And I think that's why to me in my head
now as I'm older and I look back on that stuff,
a lot of times, I'm like that that's more than
a dream. You know, it was more than a dream,
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for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
I do a lot of stuff with dream work and
stuff like that, Like I've communicated to spirits and stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
So yeah, Oscar there wrote the thing about a black
Catholic upbringing left me with more questions than answers. Oscar.
More likely the reason why you have more questions is
because one the Catholic came from strait Aria. Okay, they
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they blended paganism with the Christianity, right, And if you
really look at Christianity when it first started, it was
Jewish and pagan mix.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Because christ just didn't preached to those he thought were
higher echelon. He actually went out and taught people about spirituality,
not about sin. He didn't really preach about sin. He
taught people how to release themselves spiritually to find their
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way in their path to God. And we also need
to look at you know, the Catholics took away the
fenimin aspect of who we actually are. They don't talk
about Sophia. Now I'm going into a Knockian teachings, you know,
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they don't teach none of that stuff within Christianity. And
that's where Mary Magdeleine came in because she was Christ's
favorite pupil, she was priestess, and a lot of people
don't realize that. So I hope that helps you out
see answers. Man, Just don't just don't stick to one
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spiritual truth, because then you're going to be bad lives, right.
Speaker 6 (53:07):
Right, I believe the same way. I believe that, and
I've done it my whole life. I've I've studied all
kinds of different things, and you know, in doing that,
I've kind of mixed up what I believe is closer
to the truth. Do I think it's the one hundred
percent truth?
Speaker 1 (53:27):
No? I don't.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
For me, I just don't think that while we're on
this plane of existence, we will one know the one
hundred percent truth. You know, And and I tend to
run away from anyone who says I've got all the answers.
Follow me, no, because you're Jim Jones and you're gonna
make me drink the kool aid. Yes, I want to
do it, not want to do it? Happened, you know
(53:52):
if you like to read. Uh, there's a book called
The Immortality Key, and it's a very very, very very
good book. I think I have written it or read
it about I don't know, three or four times cover
to cover. And this is a guy that his whole
life he was Catholic, grew up Catholic. I mean, he
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even went to Catholic college and all that stuff. But
he got to get into places that most people in
public can't get to researching for this book, and the
book the whole premise of the book is the religion
(54:34):
before religion, So the first religion is the whole key
to this book. And he shows through a lot of
I mean, he done so much research for this that
they have started finding ancient like cups and stuff at
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altars and stuff, and that they could actually go and
tell what last liquids and stuff was in there, yea,
And they're finding in all of these things hallucinogenics and
uh he talks about some of the first hallucinogenics was
probably from from grain, you know, from the fermentation of
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grain and stuff, and it's stuff that nowadays they make
sure when they're making beer and stuff like that that
they they they don't have to yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
It'll do or something like that. I think it's what
they called it.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
Too much of it could kill you, Yeah, but just
the right amount. And this is what the priestesses. This
was their job. The females, Uh, this was their job.
Was was the potion or was the drink itself that
you took uh during the communion? And this allowed you
to have your one on one time with God through
(55:55):
these hallucinogenic drugs. Uh And and and it's it's a
fascinating read when when you go through it as far
as what it is he says, and then the science
that that backs it up, but then also where he
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has found things in ancient Christianity and and stuff like
that where you know, they started taking the one the
woman out of the church was at one point she was,
you know, part of the head of the church and
uh and she was supposed to be subservient in you know,
the whole nine yards, you know. But but immortality key.
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It's a it's a very interesting book, it really is.
I would highly recommend it.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
So what what was that one book when God was
a woman.
Speaker 4 (56:51):
And Stone.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, that book really opened up my eyes about how
spirituality moved across Europe archaeology, archaeologically, how they proved everything
that this woman was writing about. And it was fascinating
to me because I didn't realize how much Rome shifted
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the whole dynamics of Christianity and Paganism, right.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
It was one of those things where it was like, hey,
I'll teach you this if you teach me that. You
know where they would sit down, I guess you know
in a way, have their camp site stories or you know,
when it was having meals, so you know, I find
it quite fascinating, especially the Nachian teachings, Gnostic teaching.
Speaker 3 (57:47):
Well, that's what we're doing with our Facebook group is
within the Cauldron is having anybody of any faith come
and join and connect with other people and share their
knowledge and their traditions and without judgment.
Speaker 7 (58:03):
I wanted to create a safe space for everyone.
Speaker 6 (58:07):
Right, That's good because that's hard to find anymore.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
I just feel like I'm a huge mental health advocate
and I feel like I've been judged my whole life
for being a witch, and I wanted to give people
even younger people a place.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Where they can be safe, right, people who have paranormal crisises,
or a lot of religions that don't teach people how
to handle the spiritual world.
Speaker 7 (58:40):
How you protect yourself and space fleeting correctly.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Because that's honestly, how I got started into witchcraft is
I have seen spirits since I was about six years old.
And I hit the point as a teenager where I
was watching things crawl on my way while I was
trying to go to sleep, and they would stare at
you while you're like an inch from your face while
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you're trying to go to sleep. And it I had
tried to go through the church and things, and they
they weren't really equipped to help with that. And then
I had talked to my mom and we went up
to an a cold store and I talked to the
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ladies up there, picked up supplies and picked up some literature.
And I've been practicing now for twenty years.
Speaker 6 (59:37):
Right me, I started seeing I started seeing goes back
as far as I could remember. Anyway, it was at
three or spirits, yeah, yeah for me for me as well, yeah,
three years old. And you know, at first it was
really scary because I'd wake up and there'd be people
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standing in my room, in my bedroom. I mean, it
just looked like regular people, you know, staying in my bedroom.
And I didn't know who none of these people were,
and it scared the heck out of me, and I'd
go running out of my room and screaming and yelling,
and and of course no one else in the house
could see them, and and uh our my mom had
brought it up to our pastor at church, and so
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his talk to me was, you have a gift of
being able to see these things. And at three years old,
I was like, you want it, and you want it
because I don't want it.
Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
I haven't always had experiences.
Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
I've even got in trouble with some people who are
trying to give like my mom's having like a reading,
and I would correct them, be like, no, this is
not the spirit. I's talking to you, and correct And
I was more accurate than they were that I would
get in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Trouble they might want to see.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
And I had old.
Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Ladies being on my well, laying on my bed, humming
silent night, and I think Mom remembered that, like you
could hear it clear as day.
Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
I dealt with shadow people a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
I've had spirits lay with me try to jump me,
and I've always been able to see spirits.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
That's like my normal though. Like even me, me and
uh Nick did a spirit box section and it was
a haunted doll and we everybody wouldn't hang out with
us after that because we were too spooky. All had
you know, they all had experiences and then the dolls
(01:01:38):
started targeting me and Nico and we had to handle it,
which was fine, But I never had a spirit crawl
at me like that.
Speaker 7 (01:01:46):
I think it was creepy because it was like a
little tiny thing.
Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Well, everybody wants stood in spooky and like join the
Seans until they realized that the spirit that we're talking
to is real. Yeah, and then they're freaked out because
the doll on the camera is moving and it's talking
through the spirit box and now they're scared. That's like,
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what did you expect? Like we're witches. Like the spirit
we're bringing it Israel, Like we summoned it.
Speaker 7 (01:02:18):
With abilities too.
Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
So well, you know, we do talks on the paranormal,
and we've actually got two talks coming up in October,
don't we. Jason uh one of the things that we
like to talk about and and I do it a
little bit, or we kind of do it a little
bit for shock factor, but it's also a learning experience
(01:02:42):
for people because we go back to movies and all
of that. You know, people say the weedipoort is bad,
it's a bad thing, and I'm like, no, it's a tool.
It's a tool, just like any tool. If you're going
to garden, you've got to have garden tools. If you're
wanting to, you know, do seances or or anything like that,
you've got to have the proper tools to do it.
(01:03:03):
And that's all it is. If you know how to
open the board properly, you know how to close the
board properly, it's safe. It's it's safe.
Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
I feel like a lot of people also like with
the Ouisi board, like Luigi burg it's such a bad rap,
but really it's the same as any other divination item yep.
Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
And they treat the rest like it's okay. But I'm like,
it's just as bad as the cattle. It's just bad.
It's like it's open portal.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Bring them anlogia all the time, where people like Oiji
boards are so awful, and it's like you're holding the pendulum.
It's the same thing. Yes, And I was a part
of the same divination system with the board. Yes, yes,
split it up.
Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
And what's funny about it is is that in all
of those things, you're giving the spirit the permission to
use you as a conduit to to to go through that.
So you know, but they again, it's misconceptions, I think.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I think a lot of people find out that it's real,
then they freak out. They put the board away instead
of saying, oh, I don't want to talk to you
no more out properly, they leave.
Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
That portal opus and then anything come through.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Yeah, anything comes through.
Speaker 7 (01:04:21):
Like it's just one of those times.
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Really very hesitant with the with the I have one right,
but I have never used it. I don't I have
been around other people when they're using theirs.
Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
I don't use it because I have small children with
abilities and I don't want them to.
Speaker 7 (01:04:44):
Have the same spirits that I did.
Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
I used it one time when I was and still
in high school. I went to this Halloween party at
this old house. I mean it's two three story house.
It looked like something out of scary movie. Scary movie. Yeah,
So we had a Halloween party there and everybody wanted
to use the wigie board. They had a wigi board,
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and the girl I was with was really into it,
wanting to, you know, use this wigie board. So we
got to use in it and started talking to this
young child that was supposedly had died in the house
or something. But she got so upset that and screaming
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and going on from this experience that I don't know
she she wouldn't have nothing to do with it for
years and years with anything like that, but it scared
her so bad.
Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
It can I had all a good experience, all good experience,
so I'm sure this bad experience I've heard some, but
I'm just blessed not having those bad experience.
Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
Well, I think a lot of that is mindset. You know,
if you go into something with a proper mindset and
and and everything, then that's what you're going to get back.
And if you go in there expecting Satan and all
this other crap, you're going to get what it is
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you're expecting because that's what you're asking for, you know,
you're asking this device and give me this.
Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
See it was Halloween and so and everything, and she
probably did go into it expecting evil, and I guess
she got it.
Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
First I ever played with it. It was it was
It freaked me out because I didn't expect it to
work so well as I guess is the best way
to put it. It was a friend of mine and
I and it was his wage aboard and at the
end of his road is a cemetery. There's actually do
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three cemeteries right there, isn't there, but so you know,
you put your hands on the plant chat and at
first it's really not doing much, but it seems like
the more questions you ask and the more energy that
is that's exchanged between you and the board or you
and the entity however exactly that works, the faster it gets.
(01:07:30):
And that's the part that that kind of in my
mind while this was going on, was like in between
a question, that thing would do figure eights. It figure
eights like fast. I mean, this thing was just and
then it was answering questions.
Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Just and feel it. Grab the board like you can
feel it. Grab on the plane. Chat one said, you
get a spirit on it, you'll feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
That's what it is with the amber and my son
Jay that that plan chet just goes so fast, and
I'm sitting there going, how can you tell what letters?
Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
My sister prefers the US board, and so does my brother.
Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
They always would to get me to do it, but
I'm like, I'm already, like I already have too much
spirits as it is.
Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
I don't need to.
Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
I don't need But my mom shows up. It's like, Mom,
let's play oh for you.
Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Try to get me to do it one day and
I just sat there and he didn't work, and they're like,
maybe let me just go away.
Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
Now what's that supposed to.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Do?
Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
You think it's real?
Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Our son?
Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Jay?
Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
I mean, he was doing one time and his girlfriend wasn't.
His fiance was not really into it, so I think
she was making bad things happen and she they had
a spirit that came through say that he was so so.
So I told my son, I go, has anything happened
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to you? He goes, no, he goes. I don't think
it was that. I think it was her just I
think it was the spared working off of her thoughts.
Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Right, yeah, we gotta. I don't know if you can
see the chat. Steven asked what is a practice he
could use to find cryptids? Uh, he has a crazy
he had a crazy experience that he wants to do.
I have a friend that gets a certain substance and
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we have talked about talked with him taking it and
putting him in the middle of the woods to see
what he experiences.
Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I would probably I would use dousand ruds to help
locate an area that is like charged with supernatural energy
and you'll get things are more like to manifest in
a place, whether you want to call that a lay
line or like a ferry amount, whatever, but you'll find
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a place where the rods will cross and that will
buff the call for the spirits. And then depending on
what kind of cryptod you want to call, some of
them will show up if you start talking about them
that there's quite a few that are like that. So
I start a fire, start talking about them and see
what happens.
Speaker 7 (01:10:30):
I agree with Nico.
Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I feel like if you really want to interact with them,
you need you just call upon them and manifest it
and they will come to you if it's meant to be.
And also go into hotspots doing your research, reaching out
to other people who've had experiences with them, and they
can give you.
Speaker 7 (01:10:50):
More knowledge on it too.
Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yeah, as far as isn't a substances, I wouldn't do that.
How would do you know who was real?
Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Right? Take a video?
Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Your brain's all cherry in your chart, you know, how
are you gonna know if it's real?
Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Compare the experience with video evidence? Bring a camera recorded?
Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
Yeah, audio evidence.
Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
I also think sometimes these if their spirits or if
they're demansional, I think they pick and choose who gets
to see them.
Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
Some people are just lighthouses, like yeah, just drawn to them.
Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
And I agree, never leave your friend.
Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Alone, and especially if they're on uh, if they're on ethnogens,
always have a trip sitter. That's just a bad time, yeah, because.
Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
Happen your friend can end up in a river.
Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Like I said, you never know. You know what you
may be seeing may be real or may not be real.
You know, you don't want to be run through the
woods or whatever blindly, right, I had.
Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
I had a pretty decent experience with about two grams
of some shrooms. And again, it's mindset. I believe all
this stuff is. It's energy. It's mindset, you know, and
setting up what it is you expect out of something
before something happens, right, and not going and going in
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it with positivity and everything and not having a negative
mindset because people talk about bad trips and stuff like that,
but I think calling it a trip is the worst
thing that you could ever do. Anyway, It's a journey.
It's not a trip. But anyway, I was doing a journey,
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a little journey. It is only two grams, and but
I learned so much from it. And my wife laughed
at me because of what I was saying. It's like, look,
I know I sound like a hippie, but m hmm.
But I could I could see the I could see
the earth breathing. I see it breathing.
Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
I couldn't have I.
Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Can see man made objects versus real objects. And I
could tell that the man made objects were dead.
Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:13:24):
I could tell the difference between the dead objects and
live objects. And you know, at first, I was trying
to fight the feeling of the of it overcoming me,
right and and when I finally succumbed to it, and
a lot of people would say, that's that's that's shedding
of your what is that your ego?
Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
But when I finally released to it and was like,
you know, hey, we're gonna do it. Let's just do it.
Stop fighting this. And the one thing that I could hear,
and it was like the Earth itself, like Guya herself
was talking to me, and she kept telling me that
that we've gone too far from her, that we're we're
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we we have separated ourselves from her, that we are
no longer part of of what she is, and and
she kept reassuring me, just breathe, That's what she kept saying.
Just breathe, Just breathe.
Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
You know that's really interesting. Yeah, I had a channel
with Guya as well, and I had a very similar message. Really,
Mother Earthed, the humans strangled, Mother Earth, the humans mangled,
and that like if we didn't like start moving back
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into viewing ourselves as a part of the natural cycle,
that there will there was going to be issues, whether
that was you know, some climatary issue or we were
going to wipe ourselves out. But yes, that I have goosebumps.
Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
That's why a lot of the what's going on now
in our societies, just not the United States, but globally,
I think it's because we have we've torn ourselves away
from nature, right. You know, It's like when I was
in the army, we'd go out in the woods and
we'd spend a couple of weeks out there, or you know,
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over in Germany through four months. You know, I'd go
to sleep on the ground. I would sleep better on
the bare ground than what I did back into barracks,
in my bunk or at home. So you know, there
there is a connection with with earth. You know, it's
very important for us to realize that.
Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
Yeah, take your shoes off and ground yourself and walk
out in the grass.
Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Yea, you know the morning. Yeah, that's a cup of coffee.
Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
You know.
Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
It was funny though, because this picture when I was getting,
when when she was talking to me and she was
telling me to just breathe, just breathe, And the picture
I was getting in my head on that was we've
put too many things in our lives, just like our
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breathing and everything to an auditory, just to a thing
that we let the body do itself. We don't manage
our breathing, We don't manage any of that stuff. And
and by doing that, we're even separating ourselves even further.
And and and that's what I kept getting the picture
in my head of of us purposefully breathing, you know,
(01:16:47):
us taking conscious notice of our breathing and just taking
it in. You know, I don't know it was weird.
I'm still processing it if you could, if you don't
see that.
Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
But intentional breath where it is very, very fascinating, sounds like, well,
I puts a transtate. If you do intentional breathing measures,
select the eight five four breathing, you can put yourself
into a trend state without additional substances. And if you're
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using additional substances on top of that, you're you're about
to have like a holy reckoning of yourself.
Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
Yes, yeah, and that's kind of what I got with it,
you know. Oh no, it is a is a really
good introspection of who I who I am besides my
ego and and ever since that, you know, trying to
(01:17:50):
get rid of that ego and recognizing what is ego
and what what is you and everything is it's a
it's an interesting road to try to travel down. That's interesting,
and it's hard. It's a very hard road too.
Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I think that ego is one of the hardest things
for us to ship. Yes, once we do that, you know,
life goes a little bit easier for use because we
don't have that mental I got to compete, I got
to compete.
Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
Right, Well, I am my stuff, I am my livelihood,
I am my whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Right.
Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
But that's not who we are. That's just who we
our ego tells us we are, you know, And so
it's shedding that part of that isn't you. You know,
that's not you at all. You know, I forgot who
it was, but but uh, I think those old I
think it was a Dallas teachings and stuff. But they said,
you know, if if you think that that you're the
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same person that you was when you woke up this morning,
you're wrong. You're not the same person that you was
when you woke up us. You know, you're not the
same person he was when you was born, when you
was ten twenty. You're not the same person, you know.
So understanding that is hard. But once you get kind
of start walking down that road, you do understand that
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we're constantly changing. We are not the same person.
Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah, that's I can't argue with that. That's true. You
know a lot of people don't realize that an hour
from now, from this conversation that we're having, we all
will change, sir, you know, and people don't believe that.
You know, it's like going to a church and you're
spiritually moved. You walk out of that church, you have changed. Spiritually,
(01:19:42):
you have changed. Yes, yep, it's the same way with
us when we do public rituals. You know, I've had
people approach me after the ritual. They'll be crying like,
what are you crying for? And you're happy as tears
of joy because we have moved them spiritually to change, right. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
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you know.
Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
And it's funny because you know there's all kinds of
old adages and stuff. You know, you can't relad a
horse to water and just all these other kinds of adages.
But you know, trying to show somebody a road to
walk down is harder than you think because we're so
caught up in ourselves and what we're doing to lead
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somebody to them finding the truth, not me trying to
tell them any kind of truth, but letting them find
the truth is even harder.
Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
You know.
Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
No one wants to put the work in. They want
to be told how to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Yeah, that's a huge thing in the witch community too,
or we've found, especially with the younger generation, the ones
past me that witchcraft is changing, and I'm it's I'm
here to see where it goes. It'll be interesting, but
there's a clear shift where you know, this is our
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life's work. Like Chris and Grizzy have done this for
over thirty years. I've done it for over twenty and
I have people coming to us, or like there's people
coming to us. He was like, we think witchcraft is real,
but just feed us the spells, you know that work
we don't want to develop, but that they don't want
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to develop a relationship with the spirits that carry the work,
and they don't care about tradition, and they don't want
to put the time in for this study. And it's like,
can I give you the working if I was inclined, Yeah,
but it's probably not going to work because you haven't
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put the footwork in the get there. And it's like
being away, which is a life of study, like not
just academically, but like devotion and servitude, Like we work
within the community and we get to a point where
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people come to us and people have a level of respect,
like with Chris and Chrissy that they have coven members
who literally moved across the country to be within distance
of them because they value them not only as people
and teachers, but as friends. Wow, And it's it's fascinating
(01:22:39):
and the connections that we build throughout the years. But like,
can I give somebody something that will work? Absolutely, but
that you have to respect the process? Yes, And like
then you have a to b Yeah, you have to
learn the path.
Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Yeah, learn open yourself up spiritually to truth.
Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
It's like I tell people all the time, I don't
want you to follow my path my truth. I'll teach you,
but it's up to you to you to find that
truth within you, same thing that Christ taught. You know,
if you really look at it, you know it. It's
about opening yourself up to the greater divine. And a
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lot of people think that they're you know, I could
sit there and take my book of Shadows and throw
it in somebody and say, here's all your answers, here's
my truth. But unless you're willing to go through the
spiritual of testing to find your truth, is it going
to do you any good?
Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Because it's just like a Bible, it's a book full
of pages unless you put it to a spiritual test.
Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
It's like one thing we tell our students is what
we tell you, what we teach, you take it to hurt,
but go out and we search on it more. Yes,
so you can find your truth as well. And I
think as has kept us alive as a coven for
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many many years with a lot of students because of
us saying that we don't come up as we are
the only high priests and priestess around, you know, we
come off as more or less his friends teachers.
Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
That's it. Yeah, Well you can ask a hundred which
is how to solve the same problem, and you'll probably
get one hundred and two answers, right.
Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
And that's the thing is like overly overstoked oscars put
on there, you know, you know when it's the truth.
And that's something that you find more than anything, right
is that say, us having these conversations and stuff, and
there's things that that hit you and you're like, oh yeah,
you know, and you know, man, you know that resonates, right,
(01:25:10):
and then you go and then you do your research
and then you look into these things and then you
might take it further find something else. But but you've
got to find your truth in it too, you know. Yeah, yeah,
hundred and two different answers.
Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
That's why I love this show because every time we
do a show on something like this legend or spirituality,
I go and I try to use that use the
show in my life too. I mean, I'm learning, yes,
every day from this.
Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
You know, the best thing that a person in any
kind of spiritual sense learn the truth about centering and grounding,
learning about your chakras. And this is why I say
this is because throughout the years I have learned that
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for me to actually touch spirit, God, Goddess, the ancient ones,
the elementals, the spirits of the deceased, it always stems
from center, centering and grounding. That is teaching, that is
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to me, the truth of anybody's path. It's the same
way that Christ taught and how he was able to
turn water to wine. It is how he was able
to be in the multitude. Is how he called the
dead to life. You know it, that's how it works,
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you know, it's how you step in between worlds. Imagine
being a being in this world and you step twin
worlds and you look out and you see heaven.
Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Or that.
Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
You know, these are things that are that everybody is
capable of doing. But it's funny in their truth within
them and the way that their spirit pulls them to.
You know, maybe it won't work the first fifty times
that you try it, but eventually you're going to get
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to a point where I build the power, I build
the magic, right, you know things are going to happen.
Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
Riding bikes as much as I have and am i
wife learning how to ride a motorcycle and stuff. I
always tell her that it's just seat time, right, Just
the more time you get that but that seat and
you get to ride that bike, the better it's going
to get and the easier it's going to get, and
the more that bike's going to become part of you.
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And life's like right, like you just said, you know,
maybe not the tenth time, maybe not the eleventh time,
but the more seat time you put it in, then
that's when things will start clicking one at a time,
those those puzzle pieces will start coming together and you'll
start seeing the picture, and then everything will start becoming
a lot more clear.
Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Because the two ways that we frame like witchcraft and
magic is it's spiritual experimentation and it's a practice. So
you're constantly reevaluating and trying new things and you know,
working with systems and being like, Okay, well this is
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supposed to do this, and if I add this to this,
it should do that. Yes, so what if I add
something else to that and then or like change the
wording on something, And because wording can be very specific
in witchcraft and a practice, because if all you're doing
is studying and you're not applying with you're learning it.
(01:29:02):
It's great to have the knowledge, but you're you're missing
out on half of the experience because you're not contributing
to these living practices.
Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Right, yeah, I agree. You know this reason why I
say centering, grounding and learning about your chakras system is
because when you learn about these things and truly learn
how to facilitate the use of chakras, there is no
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greater achievement than standing before a God. You know, to me,
that is the the epitome of a witch. It's not
about how great my magic spell is, but it's that
I am walking with God in God's hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
To me.
Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Achieving.
Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
I've heard something before and I was going to run
it by you real quick because it just came to mind,
especially when Nick was just talking about you know spells
and things like that, and the wording is very important
with the spells I've heard I heard, and you know,
(01:30:29):
tell me if it's right or not, because I have
no you know, one side or the other about this.
It's just something that's been going on in my head
for a while. Someone I've heard someone and I don't
remember who this someone was, and it might have been
a TV show I was watching or something like that,
but they were talking about that English was purposely made
(01:30:53):
like a as broad of a language as it is,
and we've got taken from Latin so far, because Latin,
when it comes to spiritual stuff as far as that goes,
is a more pure language and is actually a lot
more potent I guess when it comes to magic or
practicing anything like that than say, using English is.
Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
I would agree with you. I think there's a large
benefit in learning and studying another language, specifically to use
in Belle's prayer and witchcraft. Not only does it help
you get into that mindset that like putting you between
those worlds and like holding that is a sacred thing,
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but English is really limited as far as expression with
language goes. And a good example of this is that
like in German, we have like the word schauenfreude which
is happiness and others misfortune that does not have an
English translation directly. And there's many languages that have of
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thousands of words that don't have an English transliteration and
encompasses like entire emotions and feelings and experiences, and absolutely
you can use those in prayer. And also I love
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using Latin or German. And when I had studied with
a mystery school, we were taught to transliterate from pagan
source material in the original language and then process that
into modern English, and then compare our translations to the
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translations of academics, partly so that we can get that
respect for how this came to be where we are now,
but also to understand the power of words. And a
lot of people will speak things into their life and
over themselves that limit themselves. I'm broke, I'm tired, I'm sick,
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and then you wonder why you're broke. You're tired, you're sick,
and I'm not saying that, Like is that every reason? No, Like,
you know, I believe in science, and you know, there's
genetic problems, there's lifestyle issues and things like that. But
that there is a point that some of these things
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start in the spiritual world and then manifest into our reality,
and it's a very interesting crossover. And so my advice
is is be cognizant of what you speak on yourself
and how you limit yourself in the boxes you put
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yourself in, because you were capable of great things. And
I would hate for somebody to speak something over themselves
to stop their progress.
Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
Yep, absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Our words they manifest to the what we call the
greater consciousness. I have people to understand what the greater
consciousness is. Some people call it the potique force. Okay,
that is the magnetic field around Earth. And when we
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speak ill or with good intent, our words manifest. That
is why, like when Nico was saying, oh I feel sick,
I'm tired. Oh we'sh just they would hurry up. It
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goes out to the greater consciousness and it our pattern
of our life. You know, it's like doing a spell.
And I'm going to give you an example. I wanted
a charger really bad and guess what happened. We was
in ritual. You know, somebody said, hey, right on this
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piece of paper, go up to the cauldron throw it in.
I wanted that charger. You know what I'm saying. I
wanted that charger bad. Guess what, I got the charger,
But you know what I had to sacrifice to get
that charger my truck because it wasn't even a week later.
I was in a car accident or Brunnan was tore
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off my truck and without a truck, guess what, here
comes this white, beautiful charger, all chromed out looking beautiful. Well,
I got the charger because it was worthless in the
winter time. I was better off with the truck. So
be careful wait you wish for and how you address
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life and people.
Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
I have another version of that too. So my biological
mother is also a witch, and life was being hard
to her, and she kept saying, I need a break.
She kept telling her spirit guides, I need a break.
I'm done, I'm sick of this. I need a break.
She tripped in the grocery store over the mat and
(01:36:26):
the entrance, broke her knee cap and was in a
wheelchair for six months. Oh stopped. She wasn't allowed to work,
like her whole life flipped upside down. She got the
break she asked for, and like it and she that's
when we had that cover that same conversation about words
(01:36:47):
having power, and I talked to her about that and
she's like, you know, I kept telling them I want
to break, I want to break. And I was like,
you have to be careful about how you say these
things because like the spirit's not all listening, but uh,
their concept of something may be very different in how
you get that.
Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And you know you just talking about
all this stuff and then manifesting these things in you know,
it's funny because like I said, you know, a few
years back, the wife and I started talking about or
was trying to, you know, start walking down this path
and manifesting things into our life, and it was it's
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pretty crazy, like you said, because first you gotta be literal.
Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
You better be literal.
Speaker 6 (01:37:36):
You better know exactly what it is, make sure it
in your mind what it is that you want. You know,
you got to pick. You've also gotta you've gotta imagine
yourself already having this thing. Yeah, it's it's already already
a part of you. And so we used to have
a lot of chickens. We got rid of them because
we're selling the house and it's just a lot to
(01:37:58):
have to move forty something sickens. But you know, chicken doors,
those automatic chicken doors. Those things are two hundred dollars apiece,
and we had already purchased no, my wife got one
from her for Christmas from her daughter, and so she
was starting to manifest another one because we had two
chicken coops and we used to have a five dollars
(01:38:21):
store down the road. It's no longer here, but we
went to that five dollar store one Saturday, and lo
and behold the first ben She went into a brand
spanking new two hundred dollars chicken door we just bought.
We bought for five bucks, you know. And uh, but
it shows that anything that you ask for there there
(01:38:41):
isn't any limits. You just have to understand that, be
concise with what it is that you're asking for, because
because like you was saying before, you can do the
same thing to yourself. I'm broke, I'm poor, I'm I
have no money, i have poor health, I'm and what's
gonna happen to you? You know, you're putting those things
(01:39:03):
on there? And we go back to scientific studies that
have been shown where have you ever seen the snowflake.
Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
And the rice experiment, the Ross experiments.
Speaker 6 (01:39:17):
You could have any kid, anybody could do the rice experiment.
You boil rice. You put them in two different containers.
One you speak good things to, one you speak bad
things too. When you speak bad things to that thing
will turn black and moldy and nasty within just no time.
The other one will stay pure white.
Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
You can do it with plants too, said, that was
a really cool one. They've got at it with the
Greenhouse and then experimented with different types of music. Yes,
and apparently plants a respawn very well to metal, which
was very funny.
Speaker 6 (01:39:50):
I like metal, that's my favorite music.
Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
So Bill, realize how our words play a significant part
of how the world interacts with us. I think it
would be the proper thing to say it's not necessarily
us man interplaining with the world, but how the world
(01:40:17):
interplays with us. Yes, and people don't get that. You know,
there's a two way street. We got the mundane world
and we have the spiritual world, and how we interact
within our spiritual world interacts with our our mundane world.
So we have to choose our words carefully. That's why
(01:40:38):
we're always taught don't say nothing bad about the dead,
don't speak ill a listening, be careful what you say
to your brother and sister and your family and your
friends and stuff like that. Just because they do something
bad doesn't mean that you have to think bad things about.
Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
Also, when it comes to manifestation, from my understanding of
a lot of things, having those ill thoughts on someone
else can also completely stop a manifestation or severely hinder it.
That your mind can't be on any type of negativity
(01:41:20):
towards another person or any other thing, because that can
hinder that manifestation of stuff. I've gotta let those things go.
That's hard.
Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
You got to do it where you.
Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Get what we call the evil eye on people, where
you speak ill of them with enough intention and they
catch the evil eye, which is a form of like
a curse where their life may be poor for a
period of time. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Yeah, the glare of what I'm not trying to say,
the glare of the evil.
Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Evil, jealousy, and malice.
Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Yeah, it can be a downfall. But our ancestors did
that without even second thoughts of them.
Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
People do it all the time, all the time. You
should watch old ladies play bingo with each other, the
daylight side of each other.
Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
It's the funniest thing to me.
Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
That's funny. Yeah, But it all goes back to we
don't realize that what we speak, we speak into existence.
Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
The tenth century Latin cultism Abra cadabra and avoto cabra,
which is I, as I speak, I create and as
I speak, I destroyed. Right.
Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
See.
Speaker 6 (01:42:46):
And when we talk about the paranormal, when we have
our little talks about the paranormal, manifestation has a lot
to do in that paranormal world, because there's been experiments
of places that were completely they knew was not haunted
(01:43:08):
in any way, right, I mean, this place is just
just as clean as clean and beat. And they did
these thought experiments on the place. They made up Okay,
it's gonna be a woman in eighteen hundreds out of whatever,
just all these just they made up this whole bibliography
of what's going to happen to them there. They're going
to answer with this piece of equipment, and they're gonna
do this and all that stuff. And they would put
(01:43:30):
these intentions and manifest this upon this, upon this place,
and then they would go and do an investigation of
the place and found it everything.
Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
It's the whole thing. There's a thing in sorcery and
witchcraft called creating servitors or Edward wars, which is exactly
that you create a spirit through thought form and then
the more energy you feed it and the more people
that believe in it, the more real they become.
Speaker 6 (01:44:03):
Yeah see, And that's when it comes to it, because
we get asked a lot, you know, oh, have you
gone to this big place or this big place, and
have you you know, done an investigation of this big place.
And I'm like, one of these days, yeah, we're gonna
go do it. But for me, all the thoughts that
have been injected on these places, you know, you see,
(01:44:25):
you'm on TV all the time. Oh Satan was found here,
and just all these things that have been imprinted. What's
real and what's not? What was put there and what
is what was actually and it's gone on for so
long to be able to separate the two, it'd be
almost impossible.
Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
When you even see that in the paranormal field, where
there was a period in time where apparitions showed up
full body and no transparency anything. And then as movies
and things came out and we changed how our concepts
of what spirits may look like. We started observing spirits
(01:45:05):
that were transparent. They were gray scale initially because movies
were black and white, and then things have changed over time,
and it's very very interesting how it reflects the things
that we do in life.
Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's why we say we like to
do residential, Yeah, because it's it's a lot less of
that in the residence.
Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Yeah, because we found that with the We did an
interview with Chris McKinnell the Grants of Ed Maraine Warren
on the animal though mm and that he firmly also
believes that that doll is a eggregor and then all
(01:45:54):
of the Hollywood franchising around it has turned the doll
into a malicious uggergoord mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
That makes sense to me because all that energy has
put it been put into it to be that very thing.
Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
So yeah, yeah, it's no different than of which going
out and getting a wandering springtime and they're using their
their doot forms and manifesting magic into it, and they're
going you're going to be powerful. You're going to be this,
and you're going to be that. You know, you're going
(01:46:30):
to be my battery for when I'm feeling sick and
I am weak, but I need to do magic. What
happens to that wand after a few times to do that,
if becomes powerful and in the witch's hand. Yeah, you
know your dootforms has in it.
Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
So we have I love that question stuff. And so
in witchcraft there's a lot of methods to deal with
the paranormal. You can banish the spirit with like the
lesser pentagram of banishment, or cleansing rituals like smudging, staying
to remove spirits from a location or expel specifically negative spirits.
(01:47:14):
You can also cross the spirit over in some cases.
We also have spait traps, especially out of folk practices,
that you can bind a spirit to a object and
relocate them. And then when I was doing paranormal investigations,
if we had an especially malicious spirit, I would bind
(01:47:38):
the spirit to an object and then I would go
take that to the liminal space, which was the crossroads,
and I would hand that spirit over to the guardian
of the crossroads to take them away from where human
interaction could be had so that they could no longer
harm other people.
Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Yeah, do you guys realize that the Christmas balls on
a Christmas tree used to be called witches balls. No,
witch's ball would capture a spirit that would come into
your house and to it.
Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
When you guys probably know being in the south bottle trees,
that's a spare trap that traps the haints and the
trees and then they vaporize in the sunlight. Yeah, okay,
that's a spare trap.
Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
Good question, Steven, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:48:38):
Yeah, So we're about twelve minutes out, and uh, I
guess it'd be a good time just to tell everybody
you know where they can find you your podcast and
everything on books whatever that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:48:53):
Yes, well, we do have a Facebook group on Car
within the Car Run that we do take about anybody.
I mean, as long as you're not a bod or
a spammer.
Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
We do pre approve everybody, and we do pre approve
your post until we can trust you and everything. It's
just help keeps the Facebook clean. We're not about how
many we have. I mean we are like twenty two hundred,
(01:49:29):
you know, which is fine.
Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
So it's not about attendance. It's about those who come
in who need some assistance with the craft or you know,
questions and answers or just wants to network with us,
which is fine. We do have a discord as well
within the Cardron that we do discussions, but once every
(01:49:54):
two months. Since we have the podcast now we kind
of limited it, but you know, we talk about parenting,
you know, svirtuality, ter reading's other dimonation about anything you
can think of. Along with that, we do have a
(01:50:16):
book club that we host to as well. I think
the newest thing we have is of course the podcasts,
which will be a year in September, and we didn't
really expect to probably be at a year, but we are.
(01:50:37):
We are enjoying ourselves and of course it's within the Caudron.
Two podcasts. Like I said earlier, Nico and my daughters
have behind the Witches Bell. We try to keep them
both separate. One is more richy, crazy lifestyles, etcetera. The
(01:50:58):
other one is paranormal only mostly sometimes we do podcasts
to both YouTube channels, and then we also have the
website that we have that you can find within the
cardroom as well. When if you ever joined the Facebook
(01:51:20):
group that we have, you know, books on there, resources
and it's just so much more that we'll be coming
and we also do well. We will start be doing
merchandising here this fall with T shirts, hoodies, cups, magnets,
(01:51:45):
who knows what else. So that is coming up, and
we're just enjoying ourselves and like, you know, we like
what we do and we'd be doing for you know,
getting close to forty years actually for us, but I
(01:52:05):
cannot see anything else for us to do besides this,
because we've been in the community in the public eye
for so long that it's just a second nature to us.
It's family as well, yeah, you know, oh too, So
it's nice to have you know, my cousin Nicko and
(01:52:28):
our daughters to kind of take over, you know, learning
the ropes and everything.
Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
I know.
Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
Niko is always like, oh my gosh, this is happening
to me, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
Like, yeah, it's so crazy. The thing that's that the
last ten years have brought for me and for so
I'm also within the cauldron. But you can also find
me as the Cornfed Witch on TikTok. I do folk
measure education, talk about paranormal things like that. I also
(01:53:05):
produce pigan music under the corn Fed, which if you
space that out, I'm on Spotify and Amazon Music too.
Speaker 6 (01:53:13):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
We also have a TikTok within the Caudunt well, I
have Mamaqaudron and then Amy has within the Quadron and
Amber has another one for the Caudron Sister Caudron I
think she has and you can find us on there
too as well. We're not as active as Nico is.
I think he's probably the most active when it comes
(01:53:35):
to TikTok, but he's our tech guy, so he knows.
Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
All about that.
Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
Well you think I got this cup of water next
to me.
Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
Oh, and we do have lessons Toad, which is hosted
by Chris and Nico once a month. It's just lessons
that they both come out of their book shadows and
just talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
Yeah, record lessons.
Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
And stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
We go through and read something that you know about
anybody could find and we sit there and talk back
and forth. Fred down through it and start talking about it.
Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
I like doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Yeah, let's get a little nervous doing it, but I
like doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
You know, it's some of it's a good refresher for
us because like we haven't done like Intro and the
Witchcraft one on one and how many years.
Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Yeah, well, I'm one of these witches. I hate the
words which witchcraft one on one or which one over?
And then I'm looking at him like, what's one on
one about it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
That's some one. All the investigations that we do, you know,
one O one is what everybody wants to put in there,
but it's just no introductory introduction to you know. Yeah,
investigation is probably a better way of putting it.
Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Yeah, I really enjoy it, you know, it's it's different
for us. It's easier for us to reach a lot
of people and give guidance because I believe in tradition.
I'm very eclectic, but I also believe in that that
ritual structure. And I see the modern craft people practice
(01:55:27):
and witchcraft they're going they're skipping all of that, and
they shouldn't because they're cheating themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
But it's much cheaper doing what we do now than
hosting a pagan event because the pagan event you always
had to dig into your pockets about a couple thousand
dollars or if you now you don't have to. So
it's a lot better, a lot cheaper for us.
Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Well now we're international, yeah, yeah, international.
Speaker 6 (01:55:59):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Is like I told you, the magic is manifesting. Yeah,
it really is.
Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
That.
Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
The whole ride for the past thirty years has been
I can't even describe it overwhelming. I guess to watch
things happen before us and to pay witness, it's been great.
But we need to let these guys talk a little bit.
Speaker 6 (01:56:32):
Show.
Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
But yeah, it's been one heck of a ride for us,
you know, a good one. A lot of valuable lessons
weren't in life, you know, like ego and pride, you know,
known when to swallow it and just completely shun it.
Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
It has been no one when to help people and
when to walk away. That's a real hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
I have to say that, you know. I have to
get kudos to Nico because probably ten years ago he
was kind of shy, you know, Dan when I come
out of his shell, and I kind of pushed him
out of his shell, and now I can't put him
back in. He wants to stay out there. I'm really
(01:57:21):
proud of him because he's doing his own music, all
of his own poems that he has written over the
years into lyrics and it's getting quite popular within the
Quadron and on his TikTok, so I think it has
a chance to will try to look him up.
Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
I'm keeping tally. I have nine active covens who are
using my devotionals and my spells turned into songs in
their groups and it's really cool. It's also I think
I have fifty thousand plays He's across all of my
social media's. It blows my mind because I'm sitting here
(01:58:05):
like I'm just writing like devotional poetry and like turning
my my spells to tracks. And I didn't think people
were going to like them the way they do because
I was like posting Grimore pages and you know, you
might get a couple hundred people look at it, and
I was like, that's cool. And then I put a
beat behind it, and I've got one that's uh. It's
(01:58:30):
called You've been the bigger person for far too long.
Put them in the jar where they belong. And it's
about binding somebody to a jar when they're a problem.
And it has seven thousand views. Wow, And I'm sitting
there like what is wrong with you? I mean, be
petty like okay, but also like are you okay?
Speaker 6 (01:58:56):
A freeze spell before where we've losing somebody out of
our lives.
Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
So ye, Christy knows all about that juice to freeze.
Amy and Amber's bush friends.
Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Were love.
Speaker 5 (01:59:11):
Well, we got a few seconds, so we appreciate you
coming on.
Speaker 6 (01:59:16):
Stay if you all don't mind, stay on for a
minute after this, and then we'll talk with you for
a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
Okay, all right, Thanks everybody, blessings, bless.
Speaker 6 (01:59:30):
All right, that's a fantastic show. I want to thank
everybody for coming in and definitely our guests. That was action.
I mean just tons of information, yep, tons of it.
Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 6 (01:59:43):
Thanks everybody. Remember we'll be back thirty.
Speaker 5 (01:59:50):
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