November 1, 2025 • 63 mins
The world of the paranormal, spanning millennia of human belief, is far more intricate and emotionally diverse than its current popular portrayal suggests. As we have explored, not every strange sound or unexplained shadow is a threat; in fact, the vast majority of reported spirit activity falls into the categories of benign human ghosts or neutral, energetic echoes of the past.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
C van through the midnight haze.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
He's the shadows in.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The darkest maze.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Fort step second in the empty hall, mysteries waiting knock,
said footstepping through the past.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Alien send the.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Secrets, sience e. VP's in the dead of night.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Ghost is in in the pill moon light.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I don't know before Lord, we bring it to you,
truth behind the fail gout of.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
PSA talking about it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hey, right, who we are here?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Look who's over here? And I'm here, Jason's here here.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yep, our mouths still not on schedule. Blah blah blah.
See it's close. Is it doing it? There?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
See?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I don't know because I don't have to. Okay, Hey
baby girl, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Hey baby girl? Yeah, we had a pretty good Saturday.
Glad you did.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Tonight we're going to be talking about a few things. Yep,
you know, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Jason and I talked a little bit about it today
and on the last the last time we went to
the Knox Public Library last Saturday. You know, we got
to asked some questions and stuff. One of the questions
was was about this kind of this very thing that
we're going to talk about tonight.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
You know, how much.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Of the paranormal is just your loved ones or actual
ghosts versus demons and everything else, because everything you see
on TV, it's always some kind of a demon scratching
you and doing all this stuff. And the reality of
it is is that demons things like that.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Are rare.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
They do exist, though, but they're it's rare. It's a
big percentage is just you know, regular human spirit.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
And i'd say the majority of the stuff that you
get would be residual.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You know, hey, Jason Finch, how are you doing, buddy?
You know, I mean I really think that that that's
what we get more than anything.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So tonight we're gonna be talking about exploiting the malevolent haunting.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes, running around like your hair's on fire, saying everything, Hey, Jason,
everything is you know, malevolent. Everything's out to get you,
it's out to harm you.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And we you know, we've seen a lot of that
through TV Hollywood, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, I mean a lot of the really big name
shows that you see out there, that's what they do.
They you know, you want to call it clickbait, call
it clickbait, I guess, but they put these names out
there and they title these shows and oh, so and
so got scratched this time, or you know, just these
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things and this evil, malevolent thing is in this place,
and and we said, it's not that they don't exist,
but I think if you do get scratched most of
the time, it's just misunderstood.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
A michell a Michelle, Yeah, fear cells it does. Yeah, yeah,
fear and sex.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Right, so those are two things that sell like crazy grut.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Sex, drugs, rock and roll. Hey, So when we talk
about the paranormal, we often use the word ghost as
a catch all term, which.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
However, across you know a lot of belief systems and
paranormal theories, the origins of these phenomena are really distinct, uh,
the origins of nature. Critically, not everything encountered is believed
to be a spirit of a deceased person. Right, Some,
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but not all, entities encountered may be of things that
have never lived a mortal life in this realm.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That's what they call demons and yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That So to gain a clear understanding, we can categorize
these reported activities into three distinct groups based on their
perceived origin and intelligence.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So the first one of these is the human spirit. Right,
So that is your classic intelligent haunting that you get
out of location. Now, this is purported the consciousness or
the soul of a person who had once lived in
an actual physical body. So when a spirit is categorized
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as intelligent, it means the entity is aware of its surroundings,
can process information, and can interact with the living. And
you'll know this but because you'll catch EVPs with it,
answering questions that you ask and stuff like that. So
that's how we kind of understand our understanding of this
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thing being intelligent. Yeah, they know they're deceased and understand
the process or the presence of the living. They can
respond to questions Knox voices. They can manipulate objects with intention,
or even manifest in full body apparitions. Now, they often
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remain due to a strong emotional tie to a person
a place, or deep confusion about their death, or an
overwhelming sense of unfinished business. You'll hear that a lot, right,
They've got unfinished business. Go to the light. That's what
keeps them tethered to this planet. Now. While often benign
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a deceased family member trying to offer comfort, they could
also be aggressive if they died tragically or were violent
in life, maybe they're frustrated by their inability to move on.
Their emotional state is generally a continuation of their human personality,
and you hear that a lot. You know, if they
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were a butt in life, then they're probably want in death,
you know, I mean that's what they say, right, Yeah,
So I just think that on the intelligence side, it
can also be other things besides human you know.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Sure can. So let's talk about the residual spirit. Residual
activity is different because it's not an intelligent spirit. Instead,
it's theorized to be an energetic a recording or an imprint,
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you know, of a past event, routine, or a very
intense emotional experience. Now, the stone tape theory, this is
a popular theory, suggests that the energy released during a
moment of high emotion or rep repetitive activity like walking
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a daily patrol route, can be absorbed and recorded by
the environment itself, right, the stone, the wood, or the soil. Well, yeah,
it's like a loop, not an interaction. The phenomenon replays
like a movie or a photograph. It cannot deviate from
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its program script, and it's probably unaware of living people
observing it. Now, you can tell. You can yell at it,
asked it questions, or change the room, but the echo
will continue to play in the exact same way.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
What's up, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Glad you can join us? So an example of seeing
a ghostly figure walking to a wall and vanish, or
hearing a muffled sound of a specific NonStop argument, or
maybe the sin of a long a long dead person's
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perfume that appears at the same time every day.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I was reading someone's post today on Facebook. They were
posting on something similar to that they just moved into
a place and she keeps getting these smells of like
cigar smoke and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, And a lot of people are like, oh, well,
that's probably because they smoked in there and it's just
stuck in the wood. Yet that could be. I don't
want to be one of the ones that poop poop
stuff like that. They could be. But one of the
biggest ways of knowing something is there is like what
Jason just said, Yeah, they do it by smells.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So intention The intention's neutral because it lacks consciousness and awareness.
A residual haunting is incapable of malevolent intent, Although the
event being replayed could be tragic, right, I like the
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next one.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Now, this also happens, like say a battlefield what Jason
was just talking about. Oh yeah, sometimes you'll get things
that just play. You know. You'll see these videos sometimes
of of these battlefields where people were running looking like
they're you know, loading a cannon and stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, you see soldier just walking around.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And sometimes you'll see ghosts, like platoons of soldiers walking
through the woods and stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Now, let's talk about that for a minute, because we
went to Chickamauga.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yes, do you think that that Hey, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
What's up? Higher legs? Thank you man, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Do you think that that ghost or spirit or apparition,
whatever it was you've seen of that soldier, was he
waving his hat at you? Or was he just waving
his hat?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Man? We love you too, brother, you know. Uh, that's
a hard one. It looked like when we come around
that corner and I saw him standing there, it looked
like he was looking at me when he took his
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hat off and did this. But in all honesty, I
could have been seeing a residual something that was residual,
because he could have been way. Maybe someone was down
by him and he was waving people over to help
help someone that had fallen.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You know, that's one thing that you have to try
to discern too, when when things like that happened. Is
is that intelligent? Is it trying to actually communicate with
me or is it you know, just there and then
I'm interpreting it as it in you know, trying to
do that because the last time, hey, Eddie Hay doing bad.
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The last time I was there, I went with the
wife because she hadn't got to go, and I felt like,
for better words, I either got shot or stabbed. Yeah,
I mean I got a shooting pain that came through
the middle of my body.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You might have got shot.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It was something I don't know it was. It was
very interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I think that's at some of the reason. You know,
from a tragic event, it looks malevolent if you see it.
I mean you would think that ole man, this is terrible,
you know, but it could just be residual yep, yep.
I think it's where a lot of people get confused.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yes, absolutely well, and then you know, like what we're
about to talk about the non human entities, right, so
where people talk about demons and elementals and things like that,
things that were supposedly never in a human form. They
want to run to these things real quick because of
getting a scratch or getting pushed or getting and you know,
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you just name all the things that people just attribute
to these kinds of things. You also have to think,
if you're there talking to something, how frustrating would it
be if you're trying to talk back and they're not
listening to you, They're not hearing you, They're not hearing
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what's going on. And you might decide, hey, I want
to make this person listen. Scratch, push, Yeah, you know,
it may be just something like that. I don't know.
I think what Michelle said is true, though. There's a
very heavy and sad place, and it was for sure.
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Now the non human entity, this is the most powerful
and arguably the rarest category, which I believe wholeheartedly is
the rarest category. Now, these entities are intelligent, They are
aware forces that did not originate as human beings and
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have never had a physical, mortal life on this realm. Now,
this category spans multiple cultural beliefs, and it includes beings
from outside the human, spiritual or natural order. So demons
right many religious doctrines. These are purest form of malice.
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They are powerful. There are highly intelligent spirits who exist
only to corrupt, torment, and possess human beings. Now, they
have no ties to the location's human history. They simply
select it for opportunity. I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Right there for a second, Eddie.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Woo hey, I can probably get in that with you there, buddy.
This last Saturday question was asked, and I made it
known of a belief that I have that's not mainstream
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that a lot of I don't hear hardly anybody talk
about it. But I don't believe that possession and all
this stuff, in my opinion, is not demons. I believe
that's a name that's been put on it. And you
know what's in a name, I guess, but I believe
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that it is a higher entity, whatever that entity is,
But it is no more to us as a tick
on a dog that that that's what it is. Is
that it comes down from whatever higher plane, and it's
old goal is to feed, just like any other type
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of parasite, and it chooses people that it could probably
tell are in whatever state that it can get fed
off of. And so it feeds off that energy. It
feeds off that negativity probably helps with that activity. Once
it starts feeding, you know, it probably brings it on more.
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I believe wholeheartedly that that is probably a more truer
form of what's really going on. That's just my belief.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So are you saying you don't believe and being possessed?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I believe that if you are, it's not a demon.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I think some cases are spiritual, Like I don't know
if it's from Satan, but it's a bad thing. They
characterize it through religion as a demon right.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And other religions as other things. That's what I said.
It's it's all in a name. But to me, it's
a parasite. That's what it is. It's it's it's feeding
off of you and that energy that you're admitting omitting
while you are in that state, you know, and maybe
that's why it's so rare.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Don't know, Welcome back, Jason.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So some others are elementals and land spirits. So in
other cultures, these non human entities are tied to specific
natural forces like spirits that are guarding waters. They're also
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ancient energies that are tied to the land itself, so
their aggression is often territorial. It's directed at people who
intrude or disrespect their domain. Another one is the hat
man or shadow people. They're often reported as dark, intelligent
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figures glimpsed in sleep, paralysis, or out of the corner
of the eye. Now, their origins are very debated, but
generally believed to be non human, highly malevolent, or territorial.
And we have people that's been on this show that
would disagree with the malevolent side of that.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, I think they get a bad rap just because
they're dark, right, and they maybe holds you down while
you sleep. I mean that ain't really that bad sleep.
I mean, as long as they're not choking you out
and you can't breathe, I don't mean right.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I think.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
For me, I just think that, you know, the the
fact that they're watching. Yeah, a lot of people see
that as creepy.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know, it is creepy.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's just creepy. And then the fact that when you
usually see them they're gone right.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Again, they're considered very dangerous because of their intentions and
are often directed purely at spiritual or psychological harm, not
just startling people.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, I think that's mostly psychological from the hat Man
because hey, Barbara, Hey Barbara. Well, I just I just
don't think the hat Man is dangerous.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
No, because I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
He is creepy.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I mean anything that stares at you from the darker
just creeps in like that.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
That maybe they're just curious, or maybe they're people.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
From the future and that's how you can see them
and they're just taking notes, you know, maybe they don't
sleep like we do in the future.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I am feeling better, thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I'm glad he's back to Barbara.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm glad to be back. No, we're talking about this
is basically this show boils down to the problem that
shows the problem with Hollywood, why everything becomes a bad demon,
you know, despite the evidence suggesting that most paranormal activity
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is just benign which group one or an innocent echo
group two. The media, including reality TV, and there's a
i'm gonna say a couple of shows. I don't know,
there's some good shows out there, but there's a couple
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that of these reality TV shows and the horror films,
they almost exclusively focus on the most terrifying and frightening
non human entities, which is group three. Now, this is
a consequence of the need for sensationalism, and.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
They all do it, but they're good movies.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I mean, we went and watch the Last Conjury movie.
It's a good movie. I mean, for what it is,
it's a good movie. But if you as long as
you come away with it knowing it's just a movie.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Right, I mean it is based on the least on Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. It's based on the investigations of Lorraine.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
So I did talk about them a bit.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
And then.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
So what's the commercial need to escalate fear? A simple
quiet haunting doesn't sell, right, it's clickback. A high stakes
battle with the devil drives your viewership and justifies it.
It justifies aggressive paranormal techniques, so the perfect villain sells tickets.
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The ultimate and inescapable antagonist is a powerful non human entity,
like a demon. So this classification removes the spirit from
any human context, making it seem utterly evil and justifying
the dramatic actions of investigators, such as repeated provocation, which
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we've seen that on the TV shows.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yes, we talk about that in our book and everything
too about not doing that.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
The repeated possessions, you know, exorcisms, repeated attempts at exorcisms.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
When shows investigate locations with a history of profound human
sufferings like prisons, yeah, people do enjoy being scared, and
that's what sells. Especially my son, he don't. Well, he
likes to be scared, but he don't like it because
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he won't sleep at night. He won't even go in
the bathroom by himself. Far I know he's watching. Ah.
So when shows investigate locations with the history of profound
human suffering like prisons, hospitals, site man mass tragedies, sites
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of mass tragedies, they exploit that genuine human pain. Instead
of treating the phenomena as a sad, confused energy of
the deceased, they frequently jumped to the most extreme conclusion
that the tragic history has somehow created a portal or
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invited a pre existing malevolent demon into the space. And
why is this done to elevate the scare factor.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Let's click bait.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
So, in an effort to generate immediate terror, any powerful,
unexplained event, a loud bang, a feeling of dread, or
an object being thrown is often immediately labeled demonic activity,
which David said earlier. They might just be trying to
get yours, which.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Is probably the majority of the times of what's going on. Yeah,
or they're tired of you going there and provoking them
and they're like, oh, okay, all right, you won't play
that game. Huh scratch, push, smack, throw things at you.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
They could be highly frustrated, you know, lashing out, or
even mundane environmental factors. The non human most evil label
is applied to quickly transform the scenario from eerie to dangerous.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yes, that's the worst part of it all.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, over stoked oscars. Hello.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So you know, by constantly focusing on and overclassifying everything
as non human or a malevolent entity, the media creates
a highly skewed perception of the paranormal, and we as
paranormal investigators get to see it because you go to
investigate somewhere or something like that happens, and then people
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automatically are like, oh, you're gonna bring damons table?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You are they? It ain't just I tell you what.
That just drives me nuts. You're messing wist up. You
shouldn't be conjuring up evil.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, ain't conjuring nothing.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
We don't conjure we're not witches. I might be a wizard,
but I'm in a witch right.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
This causes deep unnecessary fear for the people living in
or visiting these locations, and these people are led to
believe that they are fighting a spiritual force that they
cannot defeat, when they may only be dealing with a confused,
lost human soul now that simply needs recognition or empathy.
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The lack of ethical empathy now, the focus on the
demon label encourages confrontation and hostility. Investigators are less likely
to attempt a compassionate intervention to help a confused human
ghost move on, and they're more likely to aggressively challenge
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the entity to elicit a frightening reaction for the camera.
And that's one of the things we talk about, right, Yeah,
do not do that. Don't do it.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It makes us look bad.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
It does make us look bad. And you know, when
it comes to the paranormal, do you want to finish
this off?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Go ahead?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So when it comes to this, you know, this has
been going on forever and we think that it is
far more intricate and emotionally diverse than its current popular portrayal.
Suggests Now, not every strange sound or unexplained shadow is
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a threat. In fact, the vast majority of reported sightings
and activity falls into the categories of benign human ghosts
or neutral, energetic echoes of the past. And I think
that that's true.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, Barbara says, we need to discern the spirits. None
are identical, so we know who or what we're dealing with, right, Yeah, So,
I mean, what is the cost of the media sensationalizing
is what's the cost to us?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, you know, to us, it's we get people that
come to us and are like, I've got this bad
thing here, I need you to help me get rid
of it.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Or yeah it's mad, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, it's keeping me up at night because I'm so scared. Well,
maybe it's a loved one that you're sitting there talking
to a lot, and it's trying to let you know
it's there. Hey, I'm here. It's trying to comfort you.
If you don't want it there, don't talk to it.
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Because we can manifest these things. Yeah, we can manifest them.
We talk about that also, about manifesting these things.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So the true stories of tragic human loss and suffering
at historic sites are replaced by a manufactured conflict with
a supernatural evil. I could name a few places, but
I'm not going to. By constantly escalating the threat, investigators
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neglect the more probable reason for a haunting. It's probably
a confused soul needing guidance, or an environmental imprint of
a past event, a residual. The demon label encourages a hostile,
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aggressive approach, which is what sells, replacing compassion with confrontation,
provoking reactions rather than seeking understanding or peace. So to
truly understand the unseen world, we must move, you know,
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beyond the fear driven narratives of Hollywood and the commercial
tactics of television. The fundamental distinction remains. The spirit realm
is not monolithic. It includes the lingering memories of those
who walk this world, the residual energy of a powerful
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event and yes, and the rest of documented claims, non
human entities that have never taken mortal form.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yes, maybe, girl, Casper, I think that what Jason just said,
that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Where they just live. Yeah, yeah, that's just residual's residual.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
A lot of stuff like smells and things like that. Now,
sometimes smells can be associated with loved ones and people
coming back, and that's their way of trying to get
you to real to think about them, or well, just
let you know that they're there.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You know, that's a good question. I think the smells
are more than likely just replaying.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Just like most of the time you get knocks and
things like that that sound like people walking up and downstairs,
people moving furniture in some of these houses. That's just
that very thing, you know, It's just a residual thing.
It's playing.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Barbara says, people repeatedly speak it and draw in the
negative spirits in the original spirits needing help and not
receive it. That's true.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I think we in a day where we have a
lot of commercial things going on with the spirit realm
and stuff, and we commercialized it. It's where you could
go and tour these places and even get to go
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in and you know, do a ghost hunt there and
stuff like that. I think that a lot of times
we bring that with us, right, so we we put
those things and we manifest other things that never were
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there because we bring our own flawed ways of looking
at things. Because you'll hear, you know, oh so and
so said that someone got scratched over here, So there's
demons that must inhabit this place. And so and so
said they got pushed down the stairs over here, and
so this is just bad energy. And so everybody constantly
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thinking about these things is going to manifest exactly what
it is that they are thinking about.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I think that's true that we put into it what
we want to get out of it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
That's why these big locations. Don't get me wrong, said
it one hundred times. I'd like to go investigate some
of them.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
What they just cost you much?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
They cost an arm and a leg Andrew first born
at the same time. But you know, the the problem
with it is is that you've got to discern what
was original here and what are we getting that was
manifested here because of all the people who come before
and and what they've pushed off onto this place that
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everybody after that has now pushed off onto that place.
And then you come in with your preconceived notions before
you're even going to this place, and now you're manifesting
stuff into this place. Right, So I just think that
it's oh, you're right, overly over stoked oscars. I mean,
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these things are everywhere. That's a fact. The thing is
is that the majority of the time, most of them
don't really care. They're not trying to interact or do
anything with Yeah, the majority of the time, because otherwise
we just have every place you'd walk would be haunted.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
And the most the ones that we're talking about are
usually the ones that's making them big bucks. Right, yeah, right,
And they don't want they don't want to help the
spirits cross over. They don't want to They want them
to stay there, bring them more, or bring them.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
The wife and I have went to a place and
I will not name the place because I don't like
the place. I don't like the owner of the place.
I'll say that. But they they tell you straight up
that they will kick you out if they find out
that you're trying to cross spirits over.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
That's terrible, Yeah, because I mean, it's money for them.
It's not that it's so one or used to be someone.
It's money. All they see is the dollar bills rolling in. True,
And that goes down to another moral dilemma when it
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comes to it, you know, is what's the cutoff? I mean, look,
there's a lot of these things that don't want to
go nowhere. They're happy where they are, doing what they're doing,
But then you have some that are not.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
That could be you know, maybe the people need education
rather than helping to see the light.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, yep, I think you're right. Absolutely. I agree with
that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
The places we like to go are untouched basically.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I mean we get reports of happenings and spiritual or
you know, things happening at the place, and we go
check it out. Probably, I mean most of the time
we don't get anything, yep, but a lot of times
we do find that there's haunting there. So I mean,
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I just don't see paying somebody to go investigate something
that twenty million people's already investigated.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's just for the thrill. We don't do it for
the thrill. We do it to find evidence to prove
the afterlife and prove that there is another there's something
else after this life, after this. Yeah, there's something there
for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I mean, like again, I've seen in my whole life,
So it's like getting to see something that very few
other people get to see. Do you try to convince people, Well,
you can't convince people that can't see it. So we
have tools though, right, we have tools.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
And so.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
That's the best way to do it. People who can't
see or not psychic, because I'm not psychic by any means.
But people who are not psychic or don't have gifts,
which I think all of us do. We just you know,
they're just tucked away. But you know, those are the
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people that are hardest to crack because a lot of
times they're like, I've never seen nothing. It's like the
guys you have, these people that I've been a lifelong hunter.
I've been out in the woods my whole life, and
I've never seen a bigfoot. I don't believe they exist, right,
You get the same thing. I've lived in a ton
of houses. I've never seen no ghost. Yeah, but if
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you ask, I would say one in every ten people
you know has had some kind of experience with the ghost.
And it may even be higher than and that I'm
just throwing a number off the top of my head,
but I think if you talk to ten people, one
of those ten people will say, yeah, you know, when
I was a kid, this happened, or hey, you know
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this house I live in is.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Whatever, baby girl, We're going to come over there. As
soon as we can set it up. I'd like to come,
yeah and see what's going on here.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yep, that'd be fun. Yeah, yeah, Michelle, the bell Witch
Cave would be fun. That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Shadows, Randy Hutchinson says, shadows. Yes, shadows are creepy.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Brandy has shadows at his house. He used to talk
to me about him all the time. Really, yeah, yeah,
he has some pretty good stories. And he's just like
across the woods from you.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
So he might be one hundred yards down the hill,
maybe a hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
You can go up rock and hit his house, couldn't you.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Hope you're doing good, Randy. Hope your foot's getting better.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeppe, hopefully you're getting a lot better. Oh, thank you, Jason.
You know, when it comes to this stuff, though, I
think that it's all up for interpretation too. You know,
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what's a demon to one person, someone else is going
to go in and they're going to be like, I
don't feel an oppression or anything here. But I think
that we carry preconceived notions about things and then automatically
label them as soon as they start happening. And I think,
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like what we're talking about tonight, a lot of this
over cinch Uh, where people just make things bigger than
what they are right, sensationalize everything right in this time
that this is happening. It makes people just jump to
those conclusions. And a lot of people were scared about
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that stuff. You know, you don't have anything to be
afraid of. I've never found a ghost that I was
afraid of.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I have been creeped out and freaked out and probably
screamed time or two and maybe left David's house for
a couple of weeks. But it wasn't that bad. I've
always been shy of the strange.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, you know, when you take time to process it
and then you think about it, then you know the
conclusion you come up with. At that point, it's like, well,
you know, wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
No, you know, it was just knowing. To me, it
was just knowing that, man, something is out there, right
that all my teachings before said no.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
And it's really funny because I was watching something earlier
and now I guess the Catholic Church doesn't really believe
that human spirits can walk the earth. After you die,
you go purgatory or you just go wherever, but you
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can't come back and just haunt, right, So any haunting
is a malevolent spirit, So it's it's a demon or
something like that trying to get you to open up
to let them in to talk to you. So then
it's an opening to come in and possess you were,
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oppress you, or do whatever.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, a lot of the well, the Baptist religion is
the same way. They don't believe. Well, it even states
in the Bible that the dead know nothing.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, but funny that they also had gone to the
witch of Indoor to talk to a dead person to
get answers.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, that's a little contradicted.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
But so I mean, it's like, come on now, only
scared of being called crazy? Yeah, you know what, overly
overstoked oscars, overstocked oscars. I had the same thing because
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for the longest time, I did not tell anybody I
could see ghosts. I didn't. I had a fear of
telling people because I'm skeptical when some one tells me
that they can see stuff, right, And if I'm skeptical
and I can see stuff, then how are people gonna
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treat me when I say I could see stuff?
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
It wasn't until Jason and I changed the name to
Paranormal before one one and kind of started doing this
through Paranormal before one one versus.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
You know who we were before, Hey Susan, that.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I opened up and actually said something about it. Hey Susan,
that's right, which is a vendor called the Prophet back
which at the time those the witches were being killed
because so they had most of them had already left
the city.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
So let's see baby girl.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Casper says, y'all find something creepy or whatever I got
feathers bock balk well, not next to you, And.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I hope if we do find something there that it's friendly.
I hope.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So I think that the majority of the time.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Residual.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I think that it's residual. And I think that you know,
if it is intelligent, it isn't after you were trying
to get you or trying to do anything to you. Yeah,
you know, honestly, I just accept scare the crap out
of you.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
That's what they do. These non human entities feed off fear,
and that's where they draw their strength from.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Right right, she said, there's nothing evil or violent that's happened,
Then I would say that more likely it's do you
think that it's intelligent? Do you think that, like, you know,
(47:13):
it does things on purpose? You know, over the overstocked
says same experience sounds and smells, So you know that
more than likely that is just residual and that's what
(47:40):
the biggest majority of these things are. It's just residual energy.
It's things that were tied to a place energy, good, bad, indifferent.
Like Jason was talking earlier, it adheres to everything, right,
the rock theory, you know, it just ad here's to everything.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
That's a good question, Barbara. They could be you know,
here's here's a theory. Maybe the timelines are coming together
and you get a glimpse of a past timeline and
they get a glimpse of you and they think you're
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the ghost.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
We've said that how many times a bunch of times,
and they definitely could be scared of us.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, we've interviewed people that have gone in and done
investigations and had crazy things like that happened that that
they saw a ghost and they said that it looked
like the ghosts saw them and was afraid of them
and ran. So it's almost like whether it's another timeline
(48:59):
or you know, it's something that's happening where we could
see in the past or maybe even to the future.
Whatever it is, we're getting that glimpse of whatever that is.
Maybe they're getting that same glimpse at that same time.
You're their ghost and they're your ghost.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yeah, that makes sense, a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, and think about that. Think about times that people
talk about hearing banging and different things like that. What
if that's a glimpse into the past of when it
was getting built, yeah, you know, or something happened and
(49:40):
they were adding on or doing work to the home
or something, and maybe that's what it is that you're catching,
you know. With the plurality of worlds, like we've talked
about before on the show, any of that's possible, and
all of that is possible at the same time, any
and all.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Multiverse.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, yeah, multiverse exactly.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
So.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Lights, flickering, dishes clinking when no one's in the kitchen,
civilware drawers shutting, the smell of good strong campfire coffee.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Mmm, coffee coffee.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yes, I got to make myself some really good thick
coffee this morning.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Mm hmmm. Fifth individual twenty five intellectual down the hall
body odor smell, but everybody's clean. That's that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Yeah, So genuine curiosity and ethical investigations require us to
lead with a skeptical but compassionate lens. We got to
recognize that a haunting is often a story of a
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human experience, love, trauma, confusion, and not a plot for
a spirit for spiritual warfare. So by reserving the label
of non human malice for the few cases that truly
defy all other explanations, and by approaching all other phenomena
(51:30):
with respect, we can move closer to a more profound,
empathetic and ultimately a more accurate understanding of the delicate
bridge between our world and the spirit world.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Right absolutely, you know, I don't want it to seem
like I don't believe in bad entities, whatever these are,
because when Jason and I first started doing this many
many years ago, and we were still Project Dark Corona
(52:05):
at the time, we had a family that wanted us
to come in and investigate, and it was because a
little girl was having problems and his spirit was telling
her to hurt her sister.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
And so.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Now I'm not jumping to a demon thing or anything
like that, but at the same time, whatever it was
was was malevolent.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
It was not good.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
And you know, I think that there's ways of dealing
with those things, and it knew that we had ways
of dealing with those things, because.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
It was.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Right when Jason was going to get to go and
do his investigation, after I had already done the initial investigation.
Jason was going to go in and do his initial
investigation then was going to kind of compare notes, and
at that time they stopped all communication with us. Hey, Mike,
Hey doing Buddy Mike, It's mister Michael Worley from the
(53:14):
band Catalyst.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
I think that entity might have been scared of me.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Probably was. I know it visited me the night before.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
That's probably why it left, or it didn't leave, but
it shut us out.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Yeah, well I told it. I know who you are.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
I didn't invite you here.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yeah. I do think there's like you, bad bad juju everywhere.
I mean, I mean, if if they're picking up stuff
and throwing it at you, and you know, like you
said in the movies, the knives and forest coming at
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you and holding you up and air and all this stuff,
I mean, that could happen. I really do think it could.
But nine times out of ten it's not what's happening, right,
But you do have that one percent that they could
do that.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, I think when it comes down to it, you know,
and we're talking about this kind of stuff, I think
that when you jump to conclusions, you're not doing anybody
any favors. You're not helping the homeowner or whoever it
(54:39):
is that you're supposed to be there helping. You're not,
you know, helping your investigation. Matter of fact, I think
that you're impeding your investigation because at that same time,
you know, you could start putting intentions in and manifest
things that were not there in the beginning. And so
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you have to keep your thoughts on the truth of
what's going on. And in our talk that Jason and
I give, we talk about you know that we talk
about the fact that you've got to have integrity in
your work and you don't just go labeling things. You
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try to find a what would we say, a cause
for it. So is it, you know, is it pipes
that are making that noise in the walls? Is it,
you know, what is causing these things to happen? And
when you go through and you rule all these things out.
(55:46):
Then what's left. Then you can say, Okay, we have
something here, you know, but not before not before you
do the investigation.
Speaker 4 (56:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Oeverully over stocked Oscars says, we are powerful beings. We
create our world by intentions.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
That is.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's true as true, can be as true as the
words that she wrote down. Because I believe, I believe
wholeheartedly in manifesting, and the wife and I have done
it many times on things. And the first thing you
have to do is set intentions before you can manifest.
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It's setting intentions.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
And so.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
If we set our intentions hard enough on things, guess
what's going to happen. We're going to miss manifest those things. Yep, Barbara,
to assume it makes an ass out of you and me.
I learned that a long time ago. But I mean,
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for me, when it comes down to a lot of
this stuff, it's just do your homework. Don't over sensual
sensationalize things, make sure that you're telling the truth, and
(57:27):
you know, don't go into a place and be cursing
the spirits out and trying to provoke them. Yeah, you know,
because that's that's going to not do very good for
you in the end. Things may attached to you and
decide to come home with you.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yeah, they could. Just if you go in provoking them,
they could just stop and you won't be able to
investigate anything because nothing will be there could be or
the other way around.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
They could.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
It could make them meaner than they ever were.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
They could bring the wrath down with them.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Meditate on positive energy. That's a good thing to do,
especially before you go into any kind of investigation. Yes,
bring positivity into the situation. And I believe in sage.
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How did it work when I saged you that night
a few weeks back.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
It worked pretty good.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
You can tell the difference. You can tell when that
intention set, because anytime you're trying to do anything like that,
it's all about intention, just like we've already talked about
one hundred times already tonight. But you set that intention
and you do it, and you can feel your body's
(58:57):
vibration raise off of that. You just feel it's it's
very interesting.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Yeah, well I think we're about done.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yep, one hour showing up.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
I thought it'd be a little longer, but we had
a good time.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yes, I want to thank everybody for showing up. Yes,
being part of the show.
Speaker 3 (59:26):
It was a good show, and I hope you've enjoyed it.
I know David does.
Speaker 4 (59:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
I always love it. Love getting a you know, talk
to all of y'all and everything. I know we got
some stuff coming up, don't.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
We, Jason, Yeah, we do. On October twenty third, which
is this Thursday, we're going to be at the O'Connor
Senior Center in Knoxville, Tennessee, given a little giving our
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little paranormal presentation.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yep TA invited us out.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Oh yeah, it was like, yes, we'll be there. And
then on the twenty fifth, which is that this coming Saturday,
we will be at miss Fits and Mayhem and Downtown Loudon.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah. Some of our books should be in by then.
Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yeah, we've got some of them, so we're waiting on
a few more. But it starts at two pm and
we'll be down there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Come join us, join us. We definitely look forward to
seeing everybody. If you could come out and anything else,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I think that's it for right now.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Okay, no guests coming on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Uh not yet. Okay, I gotta do some scheduling, gotcha, yehaul,
If you have a paranormal story or anything like, you
could send it to us and uh we can talk
about it, or you can come on the show and
tell us on Thursday Nights.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yes, yeah, if you have some good story, definitely. No,
that's what Thursday Nights was meant meant for.
Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, so your stories.
Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
I have to give.
Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Kudos to David last week. He done a great job.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
It was a good show. I really enjoyed it, did you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I'm glad that you was able to make it.
Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I was watching.
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Speaker 1 (01:30):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Tonight we're going to be talking about a few things. Yep,
you know, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Jason and I talked a little bit about it today
and on the last the last time we went to
the Knox Public Library last Saturday. You know, we got
to asked some questions and stuff. One of the questions
was was about this kind of this very thing that
we're going to talk about tonight.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
You know, how much.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Of the paranormal is just your loved ones or actual
ghosts versus demons and everything else, because everything you see
on TV, it's always some kind of a demon scratching
you and doing all this stuff. And the reality of
it is is that demons things like that.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Are rare.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
They do exist, though, but they're it's rare. It's a
big percentage is just you know, regular human spirit.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
And i'd say the majority of the stuff that you
get would be residual.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You know, hey, Jason Finch, how are you doing, buddy?
You know, I mean I really think that that that's
what we get more than anything.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So tonight we're gonna be talking about exploiting the malevolent haunting.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes, running around like your hair's on fire, saying everything, Hey, Jason,
everything is you know, malevolent. Everything's out to get you,
it's out to harm you.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And we you know, we've seen a lot of that
through TV Hollywood, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, I mean a lot of the really big name
shows that you see out there, that's what they do.
They you know, you want to call it clickbait, call
it clickbait, I guess, but they put these names out
there and they title these shows and oh, so and
so got scratched this time, or you know, just these
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things and this evil, malevolent thing is in this place,
and and we said, it's not that they don't exist,
but I think if you do get scratched most of
the time, it's just misunderstood.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
A michell a Michelle, Yeah, fear cells it does. Yeah, yeah,
fear and sex.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Right, so those are two things that sell like crazy grut.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Sex, drugs, rock and roll. Hey, So when we talk
about the paranormal, we often use the word ghost as
a catch all term, which.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
However, across you know a lot of belief systems and
paranormal theories, the origins of these phenomena are really distinct, uh,
the origins of nature. Critically, not everything encountered is believed
to be a spirit of a deceased person. Right, Some,
(05:01):
but not all, entities encountered may be of things that
have never lived a mortal life in this realm.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That's what they call demons and yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That So to gain a clear understanding, we can categorize
these reported activities into three distinct groups based on their
perceived origin and intelligence.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So the first one of these is the human spirit. Right,
So that is your classic intelligent haunting that you get
out of location. Now, this is purported the consciousness or
the soul of a person who had once lived in
an actual physical body. So when a spirit is categorized
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as intelligent, it means the entity is aware of its surroundings,
can process information, and can interact with the living. And
you'll know this but because you'll catch EVPs with it,
answering questions that you ask and stuff like that. So
that's how we kind of understand our understanding of this
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thing being intelligent. Yeah, they know they're deceased and understand
the process or the presence of the living. They can
respond to questions Knox voices. They can manipulate objects with intention,
or even manifest in full body apparitions. Now, they often
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remain due to a strong emotional tie to a person
a place, or deep confusion about their death, or an
overwhelming sense of unfinished business. You'll hear that a lot, right,
They've got unfinished business. Go to the light. That's what
keeps them tethered to this planet. Now. While often benign
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a deceased family member trying to offer comfort, they could
also be aggressive if they died tragically or were violent
in life, maybe they're frustrated by their inability to move on.
Their emotional state is generally a continuation of their human personality,
and you hear that a lot. You know, if they
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were a butt in life, then they're probably want in death,
you know, I mean that's what they say, right, Yeah,
So I just think that on the intelligence side, it
can also be other things besides human you know.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Sure can. So let's talk about the residual spirit. Residual
activity is different because it's not an intelligent spirit. Instead,
it's theorized to be an energetic a recording or an imprint,
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you know, of a past event, routine, or a very
intense emotional experience. Now, the stone tape theory, this is
a popular theory, suggests that the energy released during a
moment of high emotion or rep repetitive activity like walking
(08:33):
a daily patrol route, can be absorbed and recorded by
the environment itself, right, the stone, the wood, or the soil. Well, yeah,
it's like a loop, not an interaction. The phenomenon replays
like a movie or a photograph. It cannot deviate from
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its program script, and it's probably unaware of living people
observing it. Now, you can tell. You can yell at it,
asked it questions, or change the room, but the echo
will continue to play in the exact same way.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
What's up, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Glad you can join us? So an example of seeing
a ghostly figure walking to a wall and vanish, or
hearing a muffled sound of a specific NonStop argument, or
maybe the sin of a long a long dead person's
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perfume that appears at the same time every day.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I was reading someone's post today on Facebook. They were
posting on something similar to that they just moved into
a place and she keeps getting these smells of like
cigar smoke and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, And a lot of people are like, oh, well,
that's probably because they smoked in there and it's just
stuck in the wood. Yet that could be. I don't
want to be one of the ones that poop poop
stuff like that. They could be. But one of the
biggest ways of knowing something is there is like what
Jason just said, Yeah, they do it by smells.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So intention The intention's neutral because it lacks consciousness and awareness.
A residual haunting is incapable of malevolent intent, Although the
event being replayed could be tragic, right, I like the
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next one.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Now, this also happens, like say a battlefield what Jason
was just talking about. Oh yeah, sometimes you'll get things
that just play. You know. You'll see these videos sometimes
of of these battlefields where people were running looking like
they're you know, loading a cannon and stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, you see soldier just walking around.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And sometimes you'll see ghosts, like platoons of soldiers walking
through the woods and stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Now, let's talk about that for a minute, because we
went to Chickamauga.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yes, do you think that that Hey, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
What's up? Higher legs? Thank you man, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Do you think that that ghost or spirit or apparition,
whatever it was you've seen of that soldier, was he
waving his hat at you? Or was he just waving
his hat?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Man? We love you too, brother, you know. Uh, that's
a hard one. It looked like when we come around
that corner and I saw him standing there, it looked
like he was looking at me when he took his
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hat off and did this. But in all honesty, I
could have been seeing a residual something that was residual,
because he could have been way. Maybe someone was down
by him and he was waving people over to help
help someone that had fallen.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You know, that's one thing that you have to try
to discern too, when when things like that happened. Is
is that intelligent? Is it trying to actually communicate with
me or is it you know, just there and then
I'm interpreting it as it in you know, trying to
do that because the last time, hey, Eddie Hay doing bad.
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The last time I was there, I went with the
wife because she hadn't got to go, and I felt like,
for better words, I either got shot or stabbed. Yeah,
I mean I got a shooting pain that came through
the middle of my body.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You might have got shot.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It was something I don't know it was. It was
very interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I think that's at some of the reason. You know,
from a tragic event, it looks malevolent if you see it.
I mean you would think that ole man, this is terrible,
you know, but it could just be residual yep, yep.
I think it's where a lot of people get confused.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yes, absolutely well, and then you know, like what we're
about to talk about the non human entities, right, so
where people talk about demons and elementals and things like that,
things that were supposedly never in a human form. They
want to run to these things real quick because of
getting a scratch or getting pushed or getting and you know,
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you just name all the things that people just attribute
to these kinds of things. You also have to think,
if you're there talking to something, how frustrating would it
be if you're trying to talk back and they're not
listening to you, They're not hearing you, They're not hearing
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what's going on. And you might decide, hey, I want
to make this person listen. Scratch, push, Yeah, you know,
it may be just something like that. I don't know.
I think what Michelle said is true, though. There's a
very heavy and sad place, and it was for sure.
(14:48):
Now the non human entity, this is the most powerful
and arguably the rarest category, which I believe wholeheartedly is
the rarest category. Now, these entities are intelligent, They are
aware forces that did not originate as human beings and
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have never had a physical, mortal life on this realm. Now,
this category spans multiple cultural beliefs, and it includes beings
from outside the human, spiritual or natural order. So demons
right many religious doctrines. These are purest form of malice.
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They are powerful. There are highly intelligent spirits who exist
only to corrupt, torment, and possess human beings. Now, they
have no ties to the location's human history. They simply
select it for opportunity. I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Right there for a second, Eddie.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Woo hey, I can probably get in that with you there, buddy.
This last Saturday question was asked, and I made it
known of a belief that I have that's not mainstream
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that a lot of I don't hear hardly anybody talk
about it. But I don't believe that possession and all
this stuff, in my opinion, is not demons. I believe
that's a name that's been put on it. And you
know what's in a name, I guess, but I believe
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that it is a higher entity, whatever that entity is,
But it is no more to us as a tick
on a dog that that that's what it is. Is
that it comes down from whatever higher plane, and it's
old goal is to feed, just like any other type
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of parasite, and it chooses people that it could probably
tell are in whatever state that it can get fed
off of. And so it feeds off that energy. It
feeds off that negativity probably helps with that activity. Once
it starts feeding, you know, it probably brings it on more.
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I believe wholeheartedly that that is probably a more truer
form of what's really going on. That's just my belief.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So are you saying you don't believe and being possessed?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I believe that if you are, it's not a demon.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I think some cases are spiritual, Like I don't know
if it's from Satan, but it's a bad thing. They
characterize it through religion as a demon right.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And other religions as other things. That's what I said.
It's it's all in a name. But to me, it's
a parasite. That's what it is. It's it's it's feeding
off of you and that energy that you're admitting omitting
while you are in that state, you know, and maybe
that's why it's so rare.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Don't know, Welcome back, Jason.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So some others are elementals and land spirits. So in
other cultures, these non human entities are tied to specific
natural forces like spirits that are guarding waters. They're also
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ancient energies that are tied to the land itself, so
their aggression is often territorial. It's directed at people who
intrude or disrespect their domain. Another one is the hat
man or shadow people. They're often reported as dark, intelligent
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figures glimpsed in sleep, paralysis, or out of the corner
of the eye. Now, their origins are very debated, but
generally believed to be non human, highly malevolent, or territorial.
And we have people that's been on this show that
would disagree with the malevolent side of that.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, I think they get a bad rap just because
they're dark, right, and they maybe holds you down while
you sleep. I mean that ain't really that bad sleep.
I mean, as long as they're not choking you out
and you can't breathe, I don't mean right.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I think.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
For me, I just think that, you know, the the
fact that they're watching. Yeah, a lot of people see
that as creepy.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know, it is creepy.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's just creepy. And then the fact that when you
usually see them they're gone right.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Again, they're considered very dangerous because of their intentions and
are often directed purely at spiritual or psychological harm, not
just startling people.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, I think that's mostly psychological from the hat Man
because hey, Barbara, Hey Barbara. Well, I just I just
don't think the hat Man is dangerous.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
No, because I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
He is creepy.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I mean anything that stares at you from the darker
just creeps in like that.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
That maybe they're just curious, or maybe they're people.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
From the future and that's how you can see them
and they're just taking notes, you know, maybe they don't
sleep like we do in the future.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I am feeling better, thank you.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I'm glad he's back to Barbara.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm glad to be back. No, we're talking about this
is basically this show boils down to the problem that
shows the problem with Hollywood, why everything becomes a bad demon,
you know, despite the evidence suggesting that most paranormal activity
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is just benign which group one or an innocent echo
group two. The media, including reality TV, and there's a
i'm gonna say a couple of shows. I don't know,
there's some good shows out there, but there's a couple
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that of these reality TV shows and the horror films,
they almost exclusively focus on the most terrifying and frightening
non human entities, which is group three. Now, this is
a consequence of the need for sensationalism, and.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
They all do it, but they're good movies.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I mean, we went and watch the Last Conjury movie.
It's a good movie. I mean, for what it is,
it's a good movie. But if you as long as
you come away with it knowing it's just a movie.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Right, I mean it is based on the least on Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. It's based on the investigations of Lorraine.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
So I did talk about them a bit.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
And then.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
So what's the commercial need to escalate fear? A simple
quiet haunting doesn't sell, right, it's clickback. A high stakes
battle with the devil drives your viewership and justifies it.
It justifies aggressive paranormal techniques, so the perfect villain sells tickets.
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The ultimate and inescapable antagonist is a powerful non human entity,
like a demon. So this classification removes the spirit from
any human context, making it seem utterly evil and justifying
the dramatic actions of investigators, such as repeated provocation, which
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we've seen that on the TV shows.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yes, we talk about that in our book and everything
too about not doing that.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
The repeated possessions, you know, exorcisms, repeated attempts at exorcisms.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
When shows investigate locations with a history of profound human
sufferings like prisons, yeah, people do enjoy being scared, and
that's what sells. Especially my son, he don't. Well, he
likes to be scared, but he don't like it because
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he won't sleep at night. He won't even go in
the bathroom by himself. Far I know he's watching. Ah.
So when shows investigate locations with the history of profound
human suffering like prisons, hospitals, site man mass tragedies, sites
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of mass tragedies, they exploit that genuine human pain. Instead
of treating the phenomena as a sad, confused energy of
the deceased, they frequently jumped to the most extreme conclusion
that the tragic history has somehow created a portal or
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invited a pre existing malevolent demon into the space. And
why is this done to elevate the scare factor.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Let's click bait.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
So, in an effort to generate immediate terror, any powerful,
unexplained event, a loud bang, a feeling of dread, or
an object being thrown is often immediately labeled demonic activity,
which David said earlier. They might just be trying to
get yours, which.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Is probably the majority of the times of what's going on. Yeah,
or they're tired of you going there and provoking them
and they're like, oh, okay, all right, you won't play
that game. Huh scratch, push, smack, throw things at you.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
They could be highly frustrated, you know, lashing out, or
even mundane environmental factors. The non human most evil label
is applied to quickly transform the scenario from eerie to dangerous.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yes, that's the worst part of it all.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, over stoked oscars. Hello.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So you know, by constantly focusing on and overclassifying everything
as non human or a malevolent entity, the media creates
a highly skewed perception of the paranormal, and we as
paranormal investigators get to see it because you go to
investigate somewhere or something like that happens, and then people
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automatically are like, oh, you're gonna bring damons table?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You are they? It ain't just I tell you what.
That just drives me nuts. You're messing wist up. You
shouldn't be conjuring up evil.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, ain't conjuring nothing.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
We don't conjure we're not witches. I might be a wizard,
but I'm in a witch right.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
This causes deep unnecessary fear for the people living in
or visiting these locations, and these people are led to
believe that they are fighting a spiritual force that they
cannot defeat, when they may only be dealing with a confused,
lost human soul now that simply needs recognition or empathy.
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The lack of ethical empathy now, the focus on the
demon label encourages confrontation and hostility. Investigators are less likely
to attempt a compassionate intervention to help a confused human
ghost move on, and they're more likely to aggressively challenge
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the entity to elicit a frightening reaction for the camera.
And that's one of the things we talk about, right, Yeah,
do not do that. Don't do it.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It makes us look bad.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
It does make us look bad. And you know, when
it comes to the paranormal, do you want to finish
this off?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Go ahead?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So when it comes to this, you know, this has
been going on forever and we think that it is
far more intricate and emotionally diverse than its current popular portrayal.
Suggests Now, not every strange sound or unexplained shadow is
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a threat. In fact, the vast majority of reported sightings
and activity falls into the categories of benign human ghosts
or neutral, energetic echoes of the past. And I think
that that's true.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, Barbara says, we need to discern the spirits. None
are identical, so we know who or what we're dealing with, right, Yeah, So,
I mean, what is the cost of the media sensationalizing
is what's the cost to us?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Well, you know, to us, it's we get people that
come to us and are like, I've got this bad
thing here, I need you to help me get rid
of it.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Or yeah it's mad, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, it's keeping me up at night because I'm so scared. Well,
maybe it's a loved one that you're sitting there talking
to a lot, and it's trying to let you know
it's there. Hey, I'm here. It's trying to comfort you.
If you don't want it there, don't talk to it.
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Because we can manifest these things. Yeah, we can manifest them.
We talk about that also, about manifesting these things.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So the true stories of tragic human loss and suffering
at historic sites are replaced by a manufactured conflict with
a supernatural evil. I could name a few places, but
I'm not going to. By constantly escalating the threat, investigators
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neglect the more probable reason for a haunting. It's probably
a confused soul needing guidance, or an environmental imprint of
a past event, a residual. The demon label encourages a hostile,
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aggressive approach, which is what sells, replacing compassion with confrontation,
provoking reactions rather than seeking understanding or peace. So to
truly understand the unseen world, we must move, you know,
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beyond the fear driven narratives of Hollywood and the commercial
tactics of television. The fundamental distinction remains. The spirit realm
is not monolithic. It includes the lingering memories of those
who walk this world, the residual energy of a powerful
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event and yes, and the rest of documented claims, non
human entities that have never taken mortal form.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yes, maybe, girl, Casper, I think that what Jason just said,
that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Where they just live. Yeah, yeah, that's just residual's residual.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
A lot of stuff like smells and things like that. Now,
sometimes smells can be associated with loved ones and people
coming back, and that's their way of trying to get
you to real to think about them, or well, just
let you know that they're there.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You know, that's a good question. I think the smells
are more than likely just replaying.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Just like most of the time you get knocks and
things like that that sound like people walking up and downstairs,
people moving furniture in some of these houses. That's just
that very thing, you know, It's just a residual thing.
It's playing.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Barbara says, people repeatedly speak it and draw in the
negative spirits in the original spirits needing help and not
receive it. That's true.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I think we in a day where we have a
lot of commercial things going on with the spirit realm
and stuff, and we commercialized it. It's where you could
go and tour these places and even get to go
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in and you know, do a ghost hunt there and
stuff like that. I think that a lot of times
we bring that with us, right, so we we put
those things and we manifest other things that never were
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there because we bring our own flawed ways of looking
at things. Because you'll hear, you know, oh so and
so said that someone got scratched over here, So there's
demons that must inhabit this place. And so and so
said they got pushed down the stairs over here, and
so this is just bad energy. And so everybody constantly
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thinking about these things is going to manifest exactly what
it is that they are thinking about.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I think that's true that we put into it what
we want to get out of it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
That's why these big locations. Don't get me wrong, said
it one hundred times. I'd like to go investigate some
of them.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
What they just cost you much?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
They cost an arm and a leg Andrew first born
at the same time. But you know, the the problem
with it is is that you've got to discern what
was original here and what are we getting that was
manifested here because of all the people who come before
and and what they've pushed off onto this place that
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everybody after that has now pushed off onto that place.
And then you come in with your preconceived notions before
you're even going to this place, and now you're manifesting
stuff into this place. Right, So I just think that
it's oh, you're right, overly over stoked oscars. I mean,
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these things are everywhere. That's a fact. The thing is
is that the majority of the time, most of them
don't really care. They're not trying to interact or do
anything with Yeah, the majority of the time, because otherwise
we just have every place you'd walk would be haunted.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
And the most the ones that we're talking about are
usually the ones that's making them big bucks. Right, yeah, right,
And they don't want they don't want to help the
spirits cross over. They don't want to They want them
to stay there, bring them more, or bring them.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
The wife and I have went to a place and
I will not name the place because I don't like
the place. I don't like the owner of the place.
I'll say that. But they they tell you straight up
that they will kick you out if they find out
that you're trying to cross spirits over.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
That's terrible, Yeah, because I mean, it's money for them.
It's not that it's so one or used to be someone.
It's money. All they see is the dollar bills rolling in. True,
And that goes down to another moral dilemma when it
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comes to it, you know, is what's the cutoff? I mean, look,
there's a lot of these things that don't want to
go nowhere. They're happy where they are, doing what they're doing,
But then you have some that are not.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
That could be you know, maybe the people need education
rather than helping to see the light.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, yep, I think you're right. Absolutely. I agree with
that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
The places we like to go are untouched basically.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
I mean we get reports of happenings and spiritual or
you know, things happening at the place, and we go
check it out. Probably, I mean most of the time
we don't get anything, yep, but a lot of times
we do find that there's haunting there. So I mean,
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I just don't see paying somebody to go investigate something
that twenty million people's already investigated.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's just for the thrill. We don't do it for
the thrill. We do it to find evidence to prove
the afterlife and prove that there is another there's something
else after this life, after this. Yeah, there's something there
for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I mean, like again, I've seen in my whole life,
So it's like getting to see something that very few
other people get to see. Do you try to convince people, Well,
you can't convince people that can't see it. So we
have tools though, right, we have tools.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
And so.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
That's the best way to do it. People who can't
see or not psychic, because I'm not psychic by any means.
But people who are not psychic or don't have gifts,
which I think all of us do. We just you know,
they're just tucked away. But you know, those are the
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people that are hardest to crack because a lot of
times they're like, I've never seen nothing. It's like the
guys you have, these people that I've been a lifelong hunter.
I've been out in the woods my whole life, and
I've never seen a bigfoot. I don't believe they exist, right,
You get the same thing. I've lived in a ton
of houses. I've never seen no ghost. Yeah, but if
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you ask, I would say one in every ten people
you know has had some kind of experience with the ghost.
And it may even be higher than and that I'm
just throwing a number off the top of my head,
but I think if you talk to ten people, one
of those ten people will say, yeah, you know, when
I was a kid, this happened, or hey, you know
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this house I live in is.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Whatever, baby girl, We're going to come over there. As
soon as we can set it up. I'd like to come,
yeah and see what's going on here.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yep, that'd be fun. Yeah, yeah, Michelle, the bell Witch
Cave would be fun. That's a fact.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Shadows, Randy Hutchinson says, shadows. Yes, shadows are creepy.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Brandy has shadows at his house. He used to talk
to me about him all the time. Really, yeah, yeah,
he has some pretty good stories. And he's just like
across the woods from you.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
So he might be one hundred yards down the hill,
maybe a hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
You can go up rock and hit his house, couldn't you.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Hope you're doing good, Randy. Hope your foot's getting better.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeppe, hopefully you're getting a lot better. Oh, thank you, Jason.
You know, when it comes to this stuff, though, I
think that it's all up for interpretation too. You know,
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what's a demon to one person, someone else is going
to go in and they're going to be like, I
don't feel an oppression or anything here. But I think
that we carry preconceived notions about things and then automatically
label them as soon as they start happening. And I think,
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like what we're talking about tonight, a lot of this
over cinch Uh, where people just make things bigger than
what they are right, sensationalize everything right in this time
that this is happening. It makes people just jump to
those conclusions. And a lot of people were scared about
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that stuff. You know, you don't have anything to be
afraid of. I've never found a ghost that I was
afraid of.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I have been creeped out and freaked out and probably
screamed time or two and maybe left David's house for
a couple of weeks. But it wasn't that bad. I've
always been shy of the strange.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, you know, when you take time to process it
and then you think about it, then you know the
conclusion you come up with. At that point, it's like, well,
you know, wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
No, you know, it was just knowing. To me, it
was just knowing that, man, something is out there, right
that all my teachings before said no.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
And it's really funny because I was watching something earlier
and now I guess the Catholic Church doesn't really believe
that human spirits can walk the earth. After you die,
you go purgatory or you just go wherever, but you
(43:40):
can't come back and just haunt, right, So any haunting
is a malevolent spirit, So it's it's a demon or
something like that trying to get you to open up
to let them in to talk to you. So then
it's an opening to come in and possess you were,
(44:00):
oppress you, or do whatever.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, a lot of the well, the Baptist religion is
the same way. They don't believe. Well, it even states
in the Bible that the dead know nothing.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, but funny that they also had gone to the
witch of Indoor to talk to a dead person to
get answers.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, that's a little contradicted.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
But so I mean, it's like, come on now, only
scared of being called crazy? Yeah, you know what, overly
overstoked oscars, overstocked oscars. I had the same thing because
(44:48):
for the longest time, I did not tell anybody I
could see ghosts. I didn't. I had a fear of
telling people because I'm skeptical when some one tells me
that they can see stuff, right, And if I'm skeptical
and I can see stuff, then how are people gonna
(45:11):
treat me when I say I could see stuff?
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
It wasn't until Jason and I changed the name to
Paranormal before one one and kind of started doing this
through Paranormal before one one versus.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
You know who we were before, Hey Susan, that.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I opened up and actually said something about it. Hey Susan,
that's right, which is a vendor called the Prophet back
which at the time those the witches were being killed
because so they had most of them had already left
the city.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
So let's see baby girl.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Casper says, y'all find something creepy or whatever I got
feathers bock balk well, not next to you, And.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I hope if we do find something there that it's friendly.
I hope.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So I think that the majority of the time.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Residual.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I think that it's residual. And I think that you know,
if it is intelligent, it isn't after you were trying
to get you or trying to do anything to you. Yeah,
you know, honestly, I just accept scare the crap out
of you.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
That's what they do. These non human entities feed off fear,
and that's where they draw their strength from.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Right right, she said, there's nothing evil or violent that's happened,
Then I would say that more likely it's do you
think that it's intelligent? Do you think that, like, you know,
(47:13):
it does things on purpose? You know, over the overstocked
says same experience sounds and smells, So you know that
more than likely that is just residual and that's what
(47:40):
the biggest majority of these things are. It's just residual energy.
It's things that were tied to a place energy, good, bad, indifferent.
Like Jason was talking earlier, it adheres to everything, right,
the rock theory, you know, it just ad here's to everything.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
That's a good question, Barbara. They could be you know,
here's here's a theory. Maybe the timelines are coming together
and you get a glimpse of a past timeline and
they get a glimpse of you and they think you're
(48:23):
the ghost.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
We've said that how many times a bunch of times,
and they definitely could be scared of us.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, we've interviewed people that have gone in and done
investigations and had crazy things like that happened that that
they saw a ghost and they said that it looked
like the ghosts saw them and was afraid of them
and ran. So it's almost like whether it's another timeline
(48:59):
or you know, it's something that's happening where we could
see in the past or maybe even to the future.
Whatever it is, we're getting that glimpse of whatever that is.
Maybe they're getting that same glimpse at that same time.
You're their ghost and they're your ghost.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yeah, that makes sense, a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, and think about that. Think about times that people
talk about hearing banging and different things like that. What
if that's a glimpse into the past of when it
was getting built, yeah, you know, or something happened and
(49:40):
they were adding on or doing work to the home
or something, and maybe that's what it is that you're catching,
you know. With the plurality of worlds, like we've talked
about before on the show, any of that's possible, and
all of that is possible at the same time, any
and all.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Multiverse.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, yeah, multiverse exactly.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
So.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Lights, flickering, dishes clinking when no one's in the kitchen,
civilware drawers shutting, the smell of good strong campfire coffee.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Mmm, coffee coffee.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yes, I got to make myself some really good thick
coffee this morning.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Mm hmmm. Fifth individual twenty five intellectual down the hall
body odor smell, but everybody's clean. That's that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Yeah, So genuine curiosity and ethical investigations require us to
lead with a skeptical but compassionate lens. We got to
recognize that a haunting is often a story of a
(51:08):
human experience, love, trauma, confusion, and not a plot for
a spirit for spiritual warfare. So by reserving the label
of non human malice for the few cases that truly
defy all other explanations, and by approaching all other phenomena
(51:30):
with respect, we can move closer to a more profound,
empathetic and ultimately a more accurate understanding of the delicate
bridge between our world and the spirit world.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Right absolutely, you know, I don't want it to seem
like I don't believe in bad entities, whatever these are,
because when Jason and I first started doing this many
many years ago, and we were still Project Dark Corona
(52:05):
at the time, we had a family that wanted us
to come in and investigate, and it was because a
little girl was having problems and his spirit was telling
her to hurt her sister.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
And so.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Now I'm not jumping to a demon thing or anything
like that, but at the same time, whatever it was
was was malevolent.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
It was not good.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
And you know, I think that there's ways of dealing
with those things, and it knew that we had ways
of dealing with those things, because.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
It was.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Right when Jason was going to get to go and
do his investigation, after I had already done the initial investigation.
Jason was going to go in and do his initial
investigation then was going to kind of compare notes, and
at that time they stopped all communication with us. Hey, Mike,
Hey doing Buddy Mike, It's mister Michael Worley from the
(53:14):
band Catalyst.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
I think that entity might have been scared of me.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Probably was. I know it visited me the night before.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
That's probably why it left, or it didn't leave, but
it shut us out.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Yeah, well I told it. I know who you are.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
I didn't invite you here.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yeah. I do think there's like you, bad bad juju everywhere.
I mean, I mean, if if they're picking up stuff
and throwing it at you, and you know, like you
said in the movies, the knives and forest coming at
(53:57):
you and holding you up and air and all this stuff,
I mean, that could happen. I really do think it could.
But nine times out of ten it's not what's happening, right,
But you do have that one percent that they could
do that.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, I think when it comes down to it, you know,
and we're talking about this kind of stuff, I think
that when you jump to conclusions, you're not doing anybody
any favors. You're not helping the homeowner or whoever it
(54:39):
is that you're supposed to be there helping. You're not,
you know, helping your investigation. Matter of fact, I think
that you're impeding your investigation because at that same time,
you know, you could start putting intentions in and manifest
things that were not there in the beginning. And so
(55:00):
you have to keep your thoughts on the truth of
what's going on. And in our talk that Jason and
I give, we talk about you know that we talk
about the fact that you've got to have integrity in
your work and you don't just go labeling things. You
(55:20):
try to find a what would we say, a cause
for it. So is it, you know, is it pipes
that are making that noise in the walls? Is it,
you know, what is causing these things to happen? And
when you go through and you rule all these things out.
(55:46):
Then what's left. Then you can say, Okay, we have
something here, you know, but not before not before you
do the investigation.
Speaker 4 (56:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Oeverully over stocked Oscars says, we are powerful beings. We
create our world by intentions.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
That is.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's true as true, can be as true as the
words that she wrote down. Because I believe, I believe
wholeheartedly in manifesting, and the wife and I have done
it many times on things. And the first thing you
have to do is set intentions before you can manifest.
(56:33):
It's setting intentions.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
And so.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
If we set our intentions hard enough on things, guess
what's going to happen. We're going to miss manifest those things. Yep, Barbara,
to assume it makes an ass out of you and me.
I learned that a long time ago. But I mean,
(57:07):
for me, when it comes down to a lot of
this stuff, it's just do your homework. Don't over sensual
sensationalize things, make sure that you're telling the truth, and
(57:27):
you know, don't go into a place and be cursing
the spirits out and trying to provoke them. Yeah, you know,
because that's that's going to not do very good for
you in the end. Things may attached to you and
decide to come home with you.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yeah, they could. Just if you go in provoking them,
they could just stop and you won't be able to
investigate anything because nothing will be there could be or
the other way around.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
They could.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
It could make them meaner than they ever were.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
They could bring the wrath down with them.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Meditate on positive energy. That's a good thing to do,
especially before you go into any kind of investigation. Yes,
bring positivity into the situation. And I believe in sage.
(58:30):
How did it work when I saged you that night
a few weeks back.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
It worked pretty good.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
You can tell the difference. You can tell when that
intention set, because anytime you're trying to do anything like that,
it's all about intention, just like we've already talked about
one hundred times already tonight. But you set that intention
and you do it, and you can feel your body's
(58:57):
vibration raise off of that. You just feel it's it's
very interesting.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Yeah, well I think we're about done.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yep, one hour showing up.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
I thought it'd be a little longer, but we had
a good time.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yes, I want to thank everybody for showing up. Yes,
being part of the show.
Speaker 3 (59:26):
It was a good show, and I hope you've enjoyed it.
I know David does.
Speaker 4 (59:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
I always love it. Love getting a you know, talk
to all of y'all and everything. I know we got
some stuff coming up, don't.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
We, Jason, Yeah, we do. On October twenty third, which
is this Thursday, we're going to be at the O'Connor
Senior Center in Knoxville, Tennessee, given a little giving our
(01:00:03):
little paranormal presentation.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yep TA invited us out.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Oh yeah, it was like, yes, we'll be there. And
then on the twenty fifth, which is that this coming Saturday,
we will be at miss Fits and Mayhem and Downtown Loudon.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah. Some of our books should be in by then.
Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yeah, we've got some of them, so we're waiting on
a few more. But it starts at two pm and
we'll be down there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Come join us, join us. We definitely look forward to
seeing everybody. If you could come out and anything else,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I think that's it for right now.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Okay, no guests coming on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Uh not yet. Okay, I gotta do some scheduling, gotcha, yehaul,
If you have a paranormal story or anything like, you
could send it to us and uh we can talk
about it, or you can come on the show and
tell us on Thursday Nights.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yes, yeah, if you have some good story, definitely. No,
that's what Thursday Nights was meant meant for.
Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, so your stories.
Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
I have to give.
Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Kudos to David last week. He done a great job.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
It was a good show. I really enjoyed it, did you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I'm glad that you was able to make it.
Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I was watching.
Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Join us, Join us, everybody. We'll see you Thursday, right, Thursday,
All right, Antony, all right, We'll see you guys later.
Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
See.
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