Greg Ogles_ Hunt for the Unknown

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Speaker 1 (01:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:39):
All right, welcome everybody, it's Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
We got great guests on tonight. We've been waiting for
this one for a while, haven't we. Yes, we have
Greg Gogle. Yeah, so I know. Jason's got a bio
that's like sixteen pages long.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
It ain't that long. It's gonna read.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Thank everybody for for watching and listening. Absolutely, Hey, I
got us on there.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh look at that? Isn't that awesome? Yeah? I do
want to say though, that we we did you know,
buy and watch his last film? Oh yeah, don't you
go to relicfilms dot com.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, relic films dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
You could buy that, and I would say, if you're
into Bigfoot, I would buy it. It has some pretty
interesting things that happened that. You know, we'll talk a
little bit about tonight. But I would I would say
buy it, purchase it, watch it, watch it again. I

(02:47):
think I watched it twice in a row because there's
some pretty interesting stuff that goes on.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
So The Downy Booger is good too. You can watch
it on bye he No, shoot, I've got it. I
watch it every day because I watched it to be Tooby.
That's Yob. Yeah. Yeah. So Greg is a filmmaker researcher

(03:13):
with Relic Films, and he's made a lot of contributions
to the exploration of the paranormal and cryptid phenomena through
his documentary film works. So he is known for his
two films that dive into these mysterious subjects, which is
the Legend of the Downy Booger and Cryptid Expeditions, which

(03:38):
is the Land between the Lakes. So the Legend of
the Downy Booger is a documentary that investigates a local
legend surrounding a mysterious creature. And I think it's in Alabama.
It investigates, you know, a local legend surrounding this place

(03:58):
in Alabama. Uh So, he served as a director and
executive producer on that film, which explores accounts and potential
evidence related to you know, that region's phenomena. His other
work was Cryptid Expeditions The Land between the Lakes. It
takes viewers into an area known for its paranormal mysteries

(04:22):
encrypted sightings, including reports of Bigfoot and dog Man. Uh
that's why we want to go, Yeah, we do. So
Greg was involved in bringing you know, these investigations and
accounts to the screen, and I know he's working on
another movie. I can't think of the name of it.

(04:44):
I'll let him tell you. So we're gonna bring him on.
Mister Greg Ogels. How hey, buddy, excited to have you.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Thank thanks for coming on. We're we're excited. Like I said,
you know, behind the scenes, we were we're been waiting
for this for a while now. So last time we
got to talk, if you know, all the people out
there that watch us all the time and stuff, got
to kind of see a little bit of you on
our podcast. Anyway, when we were at the Bigfoot festival

(05:18):
there in Townshend and you so kindly spent you know,
forty forty five minutes of your time talking to us there.
So we were Yeah, happy to have that happen too.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, it was a very pleasure.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
So I guess we'll ask probably the easiest one that
we ever asked, is what got you into you know,
this field as far as the paranormal, but then also
into filming.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, when I was a kid, you know, I had
a UFO experience. I mean I was a little little kid,
and that sort of stuck with me for for the
most of my life. But it gave me an interest
in the paranormal. So I grew up watching In Search

(06:12):
of Leonard ny Moy and you know, all those other
those other fabulous shows, and I kept on just it
just kind of stuck with me, you know, into Finding
Bigfoot and all these other shows, these fabulous shows that
come out. And one day just decided to get up
off the couch because I was really tired of hunting

(06:33):
and fishing. So it's like, man, I need a new hobby,
you know. So I decided just to get up off
the couch and actually go do you know. And I
met up with a group and we got out and
from the first outing with that group, I was hooked.

(06:54):
And in the very beginning I wanted to do this.
I wanted to do just like everybody else that gets
into it, I wanted to prove its existence, right, you know.
And by trade, I'm a traffic engineer, and part of
what I had done was investigate very complicated crashes. So

(07:17):
what I would do there is I would take you know,
you know, lots of information and then sort of piece
them together sort of like a puzzle, and I would
figure out what exactly happened, because a lot of these
crashes were very complex. You know, you would think on
the on the face of things that it would be
you know, maybe it's the traffic light or something like that,

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but maybe it was the traffic light, Maybe it's the
whole timing of the entire system, you know, that really
causes and contributes to a complicated crash. So I was
used to being an investigator. It's the same tool that
you know, a cop would use when they're investigating crops.

(08:03):
You know, you just find out pieces of information, you
put it together, and it paints you a picture. Well
that's what I was very used to doing, and it's
very used to uh documenting things with the cameras and whatnot,
So that's what it just started doing. Initially, I was
wanting to just document things that I found. That was

(08:23):
that I was finding, and I was sitting here thinking.
I was like, wow, you know, one day when I'm gone,
there's going to be nothing left other than a few
stripes on a road for a few years for you know,
for somebody to remember me by. So I said, hey,
you know, I'm already documenting things. Let's make a documentary.

(08:46):
How hard can it be? Yeah, well I really found
out how hard it could be. Yeah, I mean, you know,
how do you nothing about making a documentary? At first?
I did if there was a list of everything that
you can do wrong, I made that list. You know,

(09:12):
I did everything you know, ass backwards essentially, and uh,
it took. It took. It was a huge learning curve
for me for me to be able to uh uh
you know, have an on camera presence and talk in
such a way that you know, it doesn't sound like
you're talking to a bunch of engineers. You know, they're

(09:34):
like dry scientists, you know, a bunch of nerves. I heard,
what's the curve on that?

Speaker 4 (09:38):
You know?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Uh. I had to overcome all of that, you know,
and actually be entertaining. So I actually missed a lot
of very, very good evidence because it didn't have that
on camera presence at in the very beginning. Uh literally
our first day out, when we were my camera guy

(10:02):
and I were going out, we came across footprints and
I was like, man, you know, I said that this
is gonna be easy. I said, what's everybody, what's the
big deal? You know, because you know, literally an hour
and a half into it, now we're deep in the woods.
But we found these footprints that came off this little

(10:24):
knoll into to the side of a pond and then
went halfway around the pond and then back out into
the woods. I was like, man, this is easy.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
These footprints were like sixteen inches long, seven inches widish,
you know, and five and a half feet in you know,
in the gate or the stride rather and I was like,
this is so, this is gonna be easy. And again
that same day we found more footprints. I was like, man,

(10:54):
you know, there's gonna be a trophy for finding Bigfoot.
I'm gonna find.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
The first time i'm out.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, the first time I'm out, I'm gonna get it.
So we were out that first day and I saw
this game trail and I saw something really really strange.
By the you know, you know, just a few feet
into the woods, by this field, by this game trail,
it looked like a giant birds nest, huge but on

(11:25):
its side. You know, if you could imagine a bird's nest,
then you take it and you flip it up, that's
what it looked like. And you know, we was just
kind of playing around, you know, I had kind of
get in it and like, you know, hey, hey, I
can stand up in here just about and but a

(11:47):
little bit out from from that game trail, we found
more footprints, but instead of them being five and a
half feet apart, they were eight and a half to
nine feet apart.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Oh and.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, and of course it was it was a game trail,
and you know there's lots of deer tracks and everything
else there, and I was like, wait a minute. You know,
a longer stride means that he's moving faster, and crap,
did we just did we just find a hunting blind?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You know?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Was this were any things getting into that, you know,
what of sticks and whatnot and just sitting there waiting
on a deer or something to to walk by, and
then you know, chase it down and you have dinner right.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
With you saying that, you know, you used to hunt
and fish all the time and you wanted a new hobby,
so you decided to do this because it was something
that was interesting to you. But do you think being
a hunter and stuff has helped a little bit with
with the tracking and finding of some of the footprints

(13:03):
and stuff that you've.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Done With tracking, I would say absolutely yeah, because that's
one of the skills that you know, you know, I
was brought up as a little kid, you know, here
in the South, you know, uhuh, and a lot of
a long time ago, we had to hunt to be
able to supplement our food, right, you know, so it

(13:24):
was very important to be for us to be able
to find our game, particularly after you get shot at
a deer. A lot of times they don't go down immediately.
You have to go and you have to find them.
But you know, you also have to be able to
use your tracking senses to be able to find out
where they're going, when they're going, how long they were
they had passed by, what kind of deer it is,

(13:48):
how many they are. You know that you use all
those skills to be able to find you optimize your
your hunting locations. And this really did help because and
this is where you know, the my hunting and science
sort of sort of combined it. I was looking at

(14:12):
these footprints and you could measure the depth of the footprints,
and I was like, well, let me let me find
out how heavy this animal was. So you know, I
would step right beside these these footprints, and you know,
we would do a size comparison between how deep I

(14:33):
could make a footprint out of known weight and how
deep it made a footprint. But I didn't know its weight,
so just did some some simple math there and came
up with an estimate of between seven hundred and fifty
and eight hundred and fifty pounds.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Wow, so that's a big, big individual.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
It was very heavy, very very heavy.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Overly overstoked, Oscars asked, uh, do you what do you think?
Bigfoot is a person?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
An animal? What do you what do you think?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
It's a good question because also when we were in
that field, with the footprints being eight and a half
feet apart, they stopped in the middle of the field.
Mm hmm, just stopped.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
See that that's the part of the woo that that
Jason and liked getting into.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
So at the time I didn't think much of it.
I was like, well, you know, maybe it did like
a bonnet man and it jumped, you know, two hundred
feet to the edge of the other edge of the
woods or something. But you know, the consistency of the
soul was to say, right, you know, it didn't hop
on any rocks, and certainly didn't just magically stop and

(15:49):
then jump in reverse, you know, exactly hitting the footprints
that did in reverse, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
And you know, that's the problem that I have with
with the people who say that there's no woo and
that these are you know, they could only be flesh
and blood or just whatever. I mean, I'm not saying
that they can't be, because they leave evidence, But at

(16:16):
the same time, they're definitely not backtracking through their own
steps perfectly, right, you.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Know, that's just a probability that I'm not ready to entertain.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Well, and if they're you know, we all know from
just walking our whole lives. Can you take as big
strides backwards as you can forwards? I can't.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just don't see that being the case. So, yeah,
at least the question where.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Did it go right.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
You know, there were other things that we had found
found that day. But you know, as we started to
like investigate Bigfoot, and you know, we wanted to get
one on camera, right. So after that first day we
were like thinking that, I mean really, we were thinking
this was going to be easy. You know, we're just
going to get some night vision cameras and we're going

(17:21):
to go out and they should frequent this spot. Years
went by and nothing. Wow, in years now, as we
were investigating, It's not like we didn't have the anecdotal
evidence of Bigfoot happening. You know, the rock throw and whoops,
growls and the huffs and the you know, those all

(17:45):
the anecdotal evidence that we experienced, but we were not
getting anything all night vision. And this was becoming frustrating,
very very frustrating because we know that uh okay, for
in stance, you know, we're walking down a trail and
you can hear something paralleling you and when you walk,

(18:07):
it walks, when you stop, it stops, and eventually you
would come to a place where you know, you should
be able to see what it was, but you can't
see anything, right, Yeah, So you know, all this time
I'm gathering these pieces of the puzzle together, and you

(18:29):
know there was as there was this one time we
were we were out and you know, my whole paradigm
got shifted when I started to see little balls of
light start floating through the woods. And I was like, okay,
so we're not alone out here. You know, somebody else
is out here with a flashlight and you know, you

(18:52):
hit them with a thermal camera and there's nothing there
on thermal. I'm like, oh hmm, that's interesting. And you
I mean, these these balls of light are very very bright.
I mean they're very much like a flashlight, except it's
not hm, you know, a flashlight would would protrude a

(19:14):
beam out from it, and there's no beam coming out,
so it's not illuminating, you know, like the forest like
from a beam. But you know there's a little bit
of light coming off, you know, off in its surroundings.
So this is very perplexing at first. You know, I
would be able to see it, but my partner would

(19:36):
not at first, and it took a while for him
to be able to see these things. And for lack
of another term, I'm going to call them orbs. And
you know, these orbs, they would frequent whenever we had
anecdotal bigfoot evidence, and you know, we saw them pretty often.

(20:05):
I mean, it was it was a common occurrence for
us to be able to see these things after a while,
you know, and I became so frustrated when I was
making down in Booker. I was like, hey, look, guys,
I'm getting frustrated. This film is just taking way way
too long, and we're not getting anything on night vision.

(20:26):
So let's go off and run us a very good
high end camera and at least get some of these orbs.
We can at least show something. And sure enough, you know,
we went out on our last investigation when doing a booger,
and we saw orbs, you know, with this one orb
in particular, just kind of hung out with us the

(20:47):
entire time, and I mean for hours. These orbs are
not you know, a second or two sometimes they are,
but you know, these orbs are you know a lot
of times we'll see what they hangout for hours with us.
And you know that that night was was kind of
crazy because we had a lot of activity. And anybody

(21:12):
who's been out in this field for a while kind
of knows that if you've got like electronics or anything
like that that you begin to have problems with electronics, a.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Lot of malfunctions on a lot of battery drainages and
things like that that happened.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Our corruptions, battery drainage, just sometimes just not even turning on. Yeah,
So you know, we experienced tons of that, you know,
and I didn't know it was common because one of
the reasons why people had didn't never hear of me
or or my team was because we didn't want any

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We want we didn't want to be influenced by anybody
else's opinions. We wanted to make our own opinions about
what we were seeing and what we were experiencing. And
quite frankly, some of this stuff that we were seeing
was just so outlandish that we didn't think anybody would

(22:08):
believe it seriously, because there was these instances of missing
time that we would come across, There's these instances of
disembodied voices, in mimicry of voices, and you know, we thought,

(22:33):
we we can't put this on film. Nobody's going to
believe it. I mean, it's absolutely true.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, but who's going to believe it?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
So, you know, we wanted really tangible evidence, you know,
so we we excluded a lot of the woo stuff
from our first film, but the orbs we saw a lot,
and I thought, hey, look guys, let's let's let's actually
get some of these orbs on camera. So that that
very night of over last investigation, you know, it was

(23:03):
getting like I said, it was getting a lot of activity.
And on I had a thermal camera with us and
I saw something crawling down from a hill and it
went it went to a log and it kind of
pushed up on a log and was like looking at
us for a second and then just vanished, disappeared off
of thermal and like, you know, yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Now on the uh, the first movie, Uh, that is
the one that you do have orbs showing on on
that one part. Wasn't that kind of bluish colored orb
that's that's in the woods? Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I've actually got orbs on both own, both of them.
But it's it's a kind of a blue white orb
off in the woods and.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
It gets bright for a second, then it kind of
dims back down. It's like saying, hey, look at me
over here. Don't pay attention to what's going on over there, right, Yeah,
that was interesting because I'm that's Jason.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
We do a lot of paranormal investigations, tons of them.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
And.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I'm a big orb nasayer because what a lot of
people call orbs is usually stuff like dust particles that
ir or something illuminates just right, or a bug that
ir is illuminating just right, and if you have an
objective eye at it, you know you're gonna say, yeah,
that's dust or yeah that's a bug.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
But what that was that was an orb. I mean
it was beautiful. It was putting out its own light
and what you could tell it wasn't an eye, our
reflection or anything. It was putting out that beautiful bluish
colored white light. And when I was watching that, I
was like, now that's an orb. If anybody ever wants
to know what an orb is, you watch that that
film because it shows what an orb is supposed to

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look like.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
And if you notice when it started to go in
berserk and we didn't see this while we were there,
but we saw in post production there's this theme crawling
between us and the orb, you know, and it's on
all fours and you can when you blow it up
on a really really large screen and manipulate it a

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little bit. You could see the arms and the legs
and everything. It's like, it's like an old crap moment,
you know, because the camera that we were using was passive.
It was not it didn't show, it didn't project any
kind of light at all, right, it was it was
very It was a passive camera essentially could just see
in the dark and it saw the thing there. The

(25:34):
camera did, and it tries to focus on it. Right, So,
when this camera is trying to focus on the crawler,
I thought the crawler, the ORB in the background just
goes bersert like, hey, look at me, look at me,
And the camera does finally give up and then focuses
in on the orb and the thing in the middle
that what the crawler is like, oh crap, crap, you know,

(25:54):
and finally crawls off screen.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah that's weird.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
The notes too, that that.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
The orb is there almost like you said, it's almost
there as a distraction to help what you call the
crawler stay out of sight because you're so fixated on
what is that?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, and it allows.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
That thing to come in closer to see what's going
on or whatever, and it's it's fascinating that part of
the show is.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, and like I say that that happened, but we
didn't see the Crawler while we were there. I mean,
you know, we were looking at the war because the ORB
was bright. It was it was really really bright. And
you know, and for people that don't haven't experienced orbs
like this, I'm talking to a true ORB and I'm
gonna talking dust. The ones that you can see and

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that they stay there with you. They respond to stimuli.
They're either intelligent or under intelligent control, one and one
or the other, you know, I don't know which, but yeah,
they were responded to send me out. You know, you say, hey,
but can you make yourself brighter? You know, they don't
make theirself brighter. And it seems like when they do

(27:14):
something like that, they'll you like, use up all a
lot of the energy and know, I'll be dim for
a while. Then they'll come back. But uh, you know,
we've had them follow us. You know, we're like, dude,
it's late, okay, fun hanging out with you, but we're
going back to camp. So we go back camp and
then to do you know, orbs come with us?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Now after looking and seeing in post production though that Crawler.
Does that make you wonder that as many times as
you have seen those Orbs, that's something else was like
that was not lurking around you at the.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Same Absolutely, absolutely, And that's one that is is a
matter of fact. I was only going to do one
film that you know, because the Downy Booger just took
so long and all that, uh and uh, I was
just kind of run out of gas essentially, And after
we saw the Crawler and we're like that gumt you

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know a lot of times, and I started going back
and associating with when we'd see the Orbs, would have
all this other anecdotal evidence going around, like there's got
to be some sort of connection between the Orbs and
the Bigfoots or something. And that really inspired me to
do another, uh do in another film. And that is

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when I actually started to uh search around and start
talking to other people and seeing one other people have
experienced and met this guy named Trey Hudson who's doing
this thing called the Metal Project and uh it's sort
of dubbed as the skin Walk a Ranch of the South,
And sure enough, there was a lot of crazy things
going on there too. You know, so I was like, wow,

(28:59):
you know, there is so much more to to our
our reality in this universe than uh uh than what
we were we are told. So going all I say
all that to say, going back to that question that
the viewer asked, you know, what is big footing? I
don't know, but let me tell you what. Why are

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they're here? They you know, they leave footprints, and they
leave handprints, and you know, with friends of them, you
know they eat, you know, they probably poop, and you know,
I'm sure they have stinky breath. Uh, you know, all
of that while they're here. However, I think they have

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abilities that we don't, you know, and I really think
that they probably don't come from here. You know, if
you go back to and and start researching some of
the old Indian legends, then you know, they'll sit in
there and tell you that you know, they're they're a
spirit animal or.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
You know, they like to say that they're from both
worlds too, They're from from the spirit world and from
this world.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
That they exactly they walk in both.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, and I interpret that as them having abilities that
we don't, you know, like another dimension. You know, people
you know, two thousand years ago or five hundred years
ago or one hundred years ago. They didn't know about
other dimensions. You know. It's like they call it the
spirit world, you know. So that's kind of what I
interpret that is, and I think it was very correct.

(30:34):
You know. They were they were simply explaining things in
a vocabulary that they could understand, yep. And and they
were communicating things that they.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Saw mm hmm, yeah, like the orbs.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know, a lot of researchers leave those those types
of things out, but that was a big thing and
a lot of Native American legends and lore about them
was the orbs that were also around these these beams,
you know.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
So you know, I really did try to try and
find some fine the connection between orbs and Bigfoot and
in the Land between the Lakes. I'm not sure that
I found that connection, but I think I have. I
think I did establish that there is a connection, you know,

(31:30):
because in the Land between the Lakes we saw the
orbs too.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
And with the editor, you know, and I kind of
went back and forth about some of the orb stuff
and I wanted more of it in there, and he's like, well, okay,
well the movie is already ninety minutes long, you know,
an hour and thirty four to thirty five minutes long.

(31:57):
How long is it going to be? You know? And
at some point you have to leave evidence on the
chopping block, you know. And unfortunately that's just kind of
where it went for for things to make sense and
the flow to not get as boring as some films

(32:18):
could be, you know, by just you know, beating a
dead horse. But the orbs that we saw, there were
these long lasting orbs and one would sort of, uh,
divide into two, and then the next there's three, and
then they kind of coalesced back into one.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
If you hear Adam Davies, he's sitting there saying, oh
my god, they're dancing.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yes, he was funny to do that, Like, especially when
the growling started happening. He was like, you know, I've
been to and he starts naming off all these places,
you know, and he's like, I've never had anything like
that happen.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Well, I mean, if you could actually be there, I
wish we had an invention called and I need to
probably put this out there one time fil a vision,
a vision if you could feel these growls, uh when
we were there, if you could actually feel them like

(33:22):
we did. You would understand, you know, your entire insides
just starts vibrating just and you could. It's like being
right next to uh uh somebody who's playing real liand
bass in a in a car, or right next to
fireworks or cannons or something where kagoom and you can

(33:43):
actually feel the concussion. That's the way it felt. Exactly
the way it felt, and I'll just describe it scientifically.
It was a sound pressure wave. That's exactly what it was.
I mean I recognized it, you know, and my buddy,
my camera guy, goes nuts. You know, he's like, oh

(34:05):
my god, we're gonna leave.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
The start shaking like he's you know, he can't even
turn the camera on. I mean he's like, he's like, I.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Wanted to leave, We're gonna leave, gonna he was wanting
to run. So what you don't see, but you don't
see in that is I physically had him by the
back of the coat, holding him in one place as
I was starting to wind up my camera right and
and it was during all of that commotion, it's when

(34:36):
I actually looked up and saw the big Foot. It
was standing right there in front of my truck. You know,
I'm at the you know, back right corner of it,
and he's at the front left corner of the truck.
He's just standing there looking at us, and you know,
I standing and I freeze, and you know, I'm like,
oh crap, there it is. And I'm like, okay, this

(34:59):
is it. Dead thing is huge.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I can't tell you, you know, about all of the build
because I could only see the silhouette of it from
lock the bottom of the chest up. But his thing
was wide, very very wide. And if I had to
guess a height between nine and ten figt tak wow, so.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Huge. You know.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
When I when I hear the camera wind up, you know,
when it turns on, makes a little wine noise, and
I look down to make sure I can put it
on night vision, you know, and then the display screen
comes on, and then that's a big rookie mistake. I
looked into that display screen and all of my night

(35:52):
vision was gone. I couldn't damn thing after that. So
now I'm trying to find the big Foot. And if
you look real close, I caught its eyes. If you
look real, real close, I caught its eyes. When I
was in front of the truck. Yeah, and then Adams
starts saying, hey, you know, put the camera on Brent,
you know, because he was like, but all of that

(36:15):
was true. I mean, you know, Adam's military training kicked in.
You know, He's like, hey, you know, let's not be
pushed around by this thing. Let's push it away, Let's
push it back. You know. So we came together as
a small group, and there was another small group that
was on the other end of the cemetery that we
were trying to get with us because you know, this

(36:38):
is a very potentially dangerous situation because every time we
take a step forward, this thing would growl. Just I
can't mimic it, but you know it would respond to us,
you know, moving forward to it. We'd take a step
forward to growl. And it was almost like a tug

(36:58):
of war. This in count or. Even though it's not
this long in the in the film, this encounter last
twenty five to thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Only smokes that's a long time.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
It's a very long time. And this whole time it's.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Growling, especially when you know most people when they get things,
it's it's sporadic. It's stones. Like you was talking earlier
stones throwing or wood knocks or just you know things
like that. But when you're physically that close to one
for that amount of time, that that would be that'd
be insane.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Well, I mean, if you talk to Adam and my
camera guy, my camera guy was wanting to call his
mom and say, hey, we're not coming home.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, this is it, daisies. Yeah. But even then when
Adam said he got extreme, he said, he got extremely concerned.
It's when there was another one that was throwing rocks
from a different angle, and I said, Adam, I said, hey,
we got rocks thrown from our left, and we were

(38:08):
physically seeing the one back out into the woods because
it's I start glowing, you know, it's his eyes started
turning like a red amber ish red sort of and
then you know, we had good sight on it where
it was. Then they got the rocks start coming from

(38:28):
our left and the Adam's like, oh my god, they're
flanking us, and he knew what it was doing. Yeah,
it was luring us so that something else could come
around attack from a uh, from a position where you know,
we were vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
From right right.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, if you you get everybody focused here, you're not
focused on what's coming back and around behind or besides you.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
R R and that's what that is, exactly what was happening.
And uh, you know, it seemed like, you know, when
when the other group collesced with us, that it seemed
like things calmed down a little bit. And like again,
I kind of go back to the camera stuff, you know,

(39:18):
after we did a few interviews immediately right after right
after it, uh uh, right after the encounter, the batteries
on the cameras just died, just you know that within
a minute of each other. And these the bat they
were fully charged. They should have lasted all night, should

(39:41):
have lasted all night, should't have been a problem with them.
So after the batteries died on the cameras, I was like, well, crap,
there's not much else we can do here, you know,
as far as filming. So I was like, well, maybe
I can go up in front of the truck and
find some prints. Right, So I go up in front
of the truck where thought I saw it standing, and

(40:02):
you know, the the roadway was real gravelly, So like, well, ship,
I'm not going to find any any prints here. So
I was like, I wonder if they're still around, So
I'm like, I'm going to do an experiment, so a growl.
I'll just go real loud, you know. And uh, you know,

(40:23):
as I as I had growled, Brent's kind of you
be bopping up to the front of the truck with me,
you know, and it and immediately after the growl, you
hear boom, boom boom, you know, three stumps, real loud,
and looks over at me. He's like, hey, it responded
to you. I'm like, yeah, don't he has that. I

(40:44):
won't do it again, right, So I growled again, just
really really loud, and immediately again boom boom boom, But
this time it was just right outside the edge of
the roadway, probably fifty feet away from us when it
stomped this time, and it looked over at me, he said,

(41:06):
doing that, Yeah, I agree with Bread. I would have
stopped because you know, and we wasn't armed or anything,
so you know, we kind of went back with where
everybody else was. And uh, you know, that was you know,
pretty much at the end of that night. But you know,

(41:27):
we had so much adrenaline going for us that night.
It was it was unreal and I hated to actually
leave the situation, but you know, Martin was a little
bit sick.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
And.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
You know, it was tough to see if it was
a good decision to stay or not. My instincts at stay,
but a lot of other people wanted to go. So
so you know, we went, but I think the bootput
was still there, you know, and they're like, hey, we
ran them out.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, we did what we wanted. Yeah, mission accomplished. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
So when we went back there again a couple of
days later, we were like, Okay, if they actually think
and they strategize, they're probably gonna not do what they
did to begin with. They're probably going to do something else.
And sure enough, you know, it was what we thought

(42:29):
was a quiet night. But after we go back and
review the footage, yeah they were there, but their eyes
were glowing and you could see them off in the woods,
you know, maybe a hundred or fifty yards out in
the woods. Their eyes were glowing and there was I

(42:50):
think probably three or four of them.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Wow, they were.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Kind of moving, but you have to kind of look
pretty hard, but but you could you could the eyes.
They sure enough, and they took a different strategy that night,
and it was is my whole point, to that store.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah, that's that's interesting. What's your take on the l
b L. Because we're wanting to do an investigation there.
Probably if we could do it, it's gonna be I
don't know, somewhere around maybe fall where it's not as
as warm out. But what's your what's your take on it?
Because you know from everything that you know from Martin

(43:30):
Groves and and everything, I mean, that place seems to
be pretty a hot bed I guess for both dog
Man and for Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Mm hmm. Yeah, we're gonna go back there and we're
gonna sort of be hunting for dog Man. Uh. I
don't know that I had an encounter with dog Man
while we were there. I can't say that it did.
I can't say that it didn't because we we we
had other encounters there that were not on film that

(44:04):
that was interesting. So one of the interesting things there
about the l b L is that it's at the
intersection of some laylans. Yes, I'm not an expert on
lay lines, but I know that there's a lot of

(44:24):
special meaning to some of these lay lines. And that's
about all I know about them. But I did look
them up, and there's an intersection of them right there.
Something else that's interesting there is that there's a lot
of negative history, yes, you know, with the government giving

(44:47):
people land and then coming back in you know later
and taking it away, and then Gill and folks that
didn't want to leave, and you know, it's just it's
kind a lot of negativity there that that I think
was captured in some of the minerals.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
There.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
There were places where I would walk around and there's
lots of quartz in the ground. And we have noticed
that whenever we've experienced lots of particularly lots of words,
there's been lots of quarts in the ground. So maybe

(45:32):
this quartz has the ability well I know it has
the ability if you if you squeeze quarts, you'll get
an electric charge out of it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
You could rub them together and create light like that.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, So you know there if you find it
just laying all over the ground there, uh, there's got
to be a lot of it just deeper in the ground, right, Yes,
that's the reason. So then you get all this weight
compressing that quartz, so it's actually it's releasing a lot
of energy. So maybe that creates portals, because I saw

(46:10):
a portal filow was there. To me, this portal that
I saw was more paradigm shifting than the bigfoot that
I saw. I wasn't able to talk about it for
a while because when I saw that portal, I could
actually look into somewhere else. I don't know where it

(46:32):
led to, but where we were it was it was nighttime.
Wherever it was was daytime. Lush. Yeah, it was real lush,
kind of like a jungle sort of, And the portal
was rectangular and it had like ninety degree angles on it,

(46:52):
and I was in awe and I was like, Wow,
this is the coolest thing ever. And then somebody shined
the flashlight out toward that way and it disappeared. And
then a few minutes later, an ORB came up right
from where that portal was, and I said, okay, well
that's interesting now. When I left there after, particularly after

(47:21):
that portal event, I started thinking back to some of
these other encounters that we've had. Okay, lots of orbs
around where bigfoot are. Right when we were at the meadow,
we interviewed Trey and his group, and there was a
couple of people that went into what they would characterize

(47:43):
as as a portal Both of those people that went
into that are now deceased. They both passed away with
aggressive cancer afterwards. Wow, And then I look at the
poor that I saw, and then in a work come
out and I've had I've got a somebody that I know,

(48:11):
I can't say their name, but they claim to have
video evidence of a ORB turning into a bigfoot. So
I'm sitting here thinking, well, maybe to be able to
traverse a portal, you have to be an energy forms.

(48:33):
It's bad for your health.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yep mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Do you think maybe they take this form when they
come here?

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, I think that they probably have the ability to
take that form. Maybe it will, but particularly I think
they can sense portals when they open. I don't think
they can open portals. I think they maybe be able
to be able to sense them and traverse back in
fourth uh through these through these portals. But I think

(49:04):
you have to do so in an energy form otherwise
I think it's bad for your health, you know, bad
for tissue stuff like that. So that is my and
it's and it's just what I think. You know, I'm
not trying to claim it is the truth. It's just hey, look,
you know I've got all these pieces of a puzzle

(49:26):
that I've been putting together for all these years, and
unless I have these pieces of the puzzle arranged in
a way that they shouldn't be. That's that's what it's
leading me toward right now, is that they have an
ability that we don't. They can, you know, transform themselves

(49:48):
into an energy form and inn traverse to the ports.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yep, that makes sense. Yeah, are you familiar he's deceased now,
but Scott Carpenter.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Have you seen some of his work on the portals?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yes? Absolutely, Yeah. During the making of The Vanished, I
went to Scott Carpenter's location, particularly the I was able
to discern where the exact location where he had a

(50:22):
camera in the in the back and there was a
portal that started to open up, and there was an
entity that was kind of like coalescing in the portal.
I went to that exact location, the exact location where
the portal was, and sure enough we had strange things happen. Yeah,

(50:48):
the strange things that happened to Natalie. She's in our
Natalie Spearman, she's in our she's in the film. She
didn't know we were at that location, you know, she
just thought we was out in the woods somewhere. She
didn't know we were at that location, and you would

(51:11):
have to, you know, hear her explain these feelings that
she got and the orbs that we saw, and we
saw tons of orbs, tons of them. Really yeah, and
you know, and again at that location they respond again,
they responded to stimuli. Like when you know, we would

(51:35):
be just laughing and giggling and having a good time,
acting like teenagers, and all of a sudden, these words
would get real close and pop would be real bright,
you know, and they wouldn't stay on long. But they
definitely responded to stimuli. Definitely did.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Night's Watch says, always tons of orbs when we go out.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Mm hm. So I'm sorry, Jason, where are you leading
with Scott?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I was just I don't know, I just wondered you
was talking about Portals. I was wondering if you had
seen that specific video.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Absolutely, I'm so fascinated with Portals now. It's kind of
like when somebody sees Bigfoot. You know, a couple of
things happened to them. They either, like you know, get
extremely scared, never go out into the woods again, or
you become obsessed with them right, like, oh, I want
to see more. I want to see more. I want to.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I understand.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, yeah right, that that happened to me when I
saw the When I saw the orbs, I love or
watching by the way, just absolutely love them. Uh. I
can't get enough of them, you know. When I say orbs,
I stay until I can't.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
You know, I'd love to see some orbs.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Gosh, they are so wonderful. Yeah, you'll see them.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
We were investigating the graveyard one of our first investigator
when we started back.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
When when our first really recorded investigations.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, we went to this graveyard and through the camera
now I could see these little orbs dancing around near
the graves. But when I David couldn't see him and
I would look, you know, over the camera. Nothing. I

(53:36):
don't know what was happening that that night. I do
know the batteries died all of a sudden. We went
in our ten minutes, we just charged. The batteries died.
And the last part that I caught before the battery
died was a red orb. It was in the woods.

(54:00):
It was sort of it was glowing like I don't
know what, but and when the lights went out, you know,
the battery all died, and David's over at the edge
of the the cemetery and I'm saying, David, I'm getting
in the truck. Go it's too dark. Yeah. I was like,

(54:22):
what are you doing? We just barely got here. He's like,
everything's dead. I'm going to the truck. I'm like, no, Yeah,
it was pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
We just got here. Yeah that you know, that happens
so often. Uh. There there was another part during the
making of the Land between the Lakes where I was
interviewed Mark Green and we had a place in uh
Tyler dag and Nastra Forest, and he was talking about

(54:50):
a hunter that uh was unlive by something animal. You know,
his head turned around and just all kind of just
goofed up, you know a way that he died in
a way that I didn't. I never would want to
die that way. Uh. Anyway, So, uh, while we were

(55:10):
there at this one location, or I had ten batteries,
ten that had just spent like charging up. Every one
of those would not work, None of them would work,
and it would move up, move out of this location
for a little bit everything works fine, or move back
into it they all die again.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, so we had to and instead of filming where
exactly where we wanted to, we had to move move
out to a different location where the batteries would actually work.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Uh, it's just you have to kind of think on
your feet sometimes and you don't go to the flow
when you're out doing that kind of stuff because because
I promise you, you know, batteries, you'll get battery trainings
and you'll get equipment failure if you're using electronics at all.
I don't know what it is that that's going on there,

(56:05):
but there's something going on. However, I think maybe this,
you know, if Bigfoot's able to transform themselves into an
energy for maybe they have command of electro magnetic frequencies.
Maybe they have command of being able to do something

(56:26):
like an e impulse, right maybe.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Right, and maybe they could drain it to keep themselves
in that form for a while exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Maybe they have the ability to steal you know, energy
from different sources remotely, right. Tesla said, that's possible that
you know Westinghouse and Edison, Yeah, right, but yeah, you know,
maybe that's actually possible. So, I mean, I just kind

(56:59):
of fears about all these other possibilities, and I'm like,
you know, why, why why do we have all this
battery drainage and these quipment failures and you know that
kind that kind of makes sense, it does. Yeah, But
getting back to where you could see the orbs on
the camera, that that happens pretty fairly often with us too. Uh,

(57:24):
eventually you'll be able to see them with your eyes.
What I think's happening is that they're an energy for them,
but they're they're they're so low that they can't manifest
enough for you to be able to perceive it with
your eyes, but the cameras can't. Right. It's just like,
you know, we couldn't see the crawler with our eyes
when we were out in the field, but the camera could, right.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, I think Tennessee, Kentucky Bigfoot says it, you know,
metaphysical abilities, and I think that that's true because you know,
it seems like they have some crazy abilities too, because
it almost seems like you could see in some films
and some things where they almost take on that predator

(58:08):
effect where they can they could blend in with the
with the nature around it, but then you can kind
of see them move.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
You know, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
People call it cloaking. I don't think it's a cloak
in the scientific form of cloak. I think as you
transform into an energy form, you naturally disappear, you know,
I guess you know Coloaquially, you could call it a cloak,
but it's it's more. Uh, you're disappearing, right, You're literally

(58:38):
disappearing because you're transforming into energy. Uh so then you
wouldn't be there's not a physical thing there.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
A real cloak bends light around an object, right, and
I don't they're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I know. Have you watched what is it?

Speaker 3 (58:59):
What is the TV series Jason with doctor Maria Mayor
an expedition Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
So on season was it four? Three four? Something like that?

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Uh, they go into this it's not a cave really,
but into this cave and they bring this this a dog,
this robotic dog in there.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Have you seen those episodes?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I have, so I'll watch all their stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yes, yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
When when they bring that dog in there and they're
lie darring, you know, everything as they go in and
it's mapping the inside of this when it gets to
that one point where everything's falling and in the video
that's on that, you know, robotic dog's head. You don't
see anything. It just it's natural around it. But you

(59:50):
see this rock that's setting there over on you know,
the guy didn't want to take the dog past this
other park because it had some collapse going. But in
the lightar when they got that back, you could literally
see something setting on the rock with its back turned
to you. And yeah, see season four, episode three, that's it.

(01:00:14):
You know, when that happened, you have to say, there's
something going on there where the light AR can pick
this thing up, but the camera itself cannot. And the
camera is kind of like the eye, you know, it
just it can't see it. It has some kind of
ability to hide itself from us, you know, but not

(01:00:34):
from the thing actually mapping everything in there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, and I think it's done that several I think
the light R has called them several times. Yeah, you know,
they used a drone light R at one time and
they kind of caught something sort of walking around.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
The trees and stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Yeah, So you know, I think as light AR, I mean,
as the technology progress us as light light are and
I'm sure that there's going to be other technologies come
for too long that I think we'll be able to
catch up with their abilities through technology, right and you

(01:01:16):
know that we'll be able to poke that veil just
a little bit more, you know, pick at it, you know.
You know, back when I did the down and Googer,
the technology just wasn't even nowhere nears where it is today, yes,
you know, and if I would have had the technology,

(01:01:36):
if I would have had a full spectrum camera, you know,
back then now in the making of the land between
the lakes, you know, Wen, we kind of go back
out and we investigate Bankhead forest and anyway. So you know,
I take this uh uh, gloves it, you know, put

(01:01:58):
it up in a tree, you know, and you know,
just do go back down the trail. But I've got
a full spectrum camera that I'm just kind of panning around,
you know, and you can see something standing right beside that,
that glow stick. After I go back and kind of
check the footage, you know, this you see the shoulders

(01:02:21):
and the head and it seems to be about that
much taller than the glows stick.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Uh, that image was like kind of scary because I'm like, crap,
we didn't see that either, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
And there that makes you wonder you know that that
you know, you sit there and when you look at
these things and are dealing with them, especially like you
guys are, because y'all are actually going out there. We've
never actually gone out and looked for bigfoot. We've always
done just you know, ghost hunting and stuff. But that's
what our lab between the Lakes is going to be about.

(01:02:56):
Is us, you know, trying to break into doing some
of that. But you know, when you do it enough,
like y'all have and stuff, you start wondering, you know,
are these guys just that quiet? Can they move through
the woods that well and be that stealthy or is
it part of this ability to transform into that energy

(01:03:18):
or whatever and they can move somewhere and that's why
they're so stealthy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I think you hit the nail on the head of that.
I think they're they when they want to. I think
they have an ability to move, you know, a transform
part way, you know, and you know they can move,
but they're not physically touching anything to make noise. You know,

(01:03:49):
because we did I promise you that, you know, the
thing on the camera, the crawler is probably thirty feet
away from us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
We did hear it right, you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Know, and it's moving crazy. You know, we didn't hear.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Anything, right. That was the reason where you show that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I think they can part they can do it on
command and partially do it when they want to, and
that's why you don't hear them. Yeah, but you know again,
I think they can, uh, when it's when they want to.
I think when they want to, you know, they'll make
a lot of noise. Yeah, for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
That's what I was wondering too, because do you believe
that some of them live here in our forests and
they make those home and and so they do have
kids and and and their little family groups here and
do whatever it is that they do. And then some
may live wherever it is that they live, you know,
in whatever universe or parallel parallel universe, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
You know, I think that's perfectly plausible. You know, it's
it's I think they're just like people. You know that
they're they're they're they have a ynamic range of personalities
and wants and needs, and you know, there's probably different
races and species of them, you know, just like they

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are humans. Uh, you know, there used to be different
species of humans, and you know, they probably have different cultures.
And I don't know if they have taxes or not,
but if their in demansion, they got taxes, they probably
come over here to live. You know. It's probably our

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version of people going up to Alaska to live.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
You know, they've been here for a very long time.
I mean even the natives, ancient natives talk about them.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
And and here's something else, Okay, portals do not necessarily
respect space and time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Okay, you might have a bigfoot. Okay, say a bigfoot's
traveling through a portal. One might show up today and
go back, and then when it comes back again, it
might be ten thousand years ago, right, ten thousand years
in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
You know, I don't think necessarily portals respect our perception
of space and time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yep, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I think they can move, you know, back and forth
wherever they want to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Well, you know science, yeah, right, Science itself says that
if we can think of it, and we can mathematically
say that this is possible, that we could create it. Right,
which science knows that we could create a portal. We
just can't get an energy source good enough to be
able to do you know, wormholes or anything like that.

(01:06:54):
But scientists say that if we can think about it,
nature doesn't need us to do it, and it can
do it on its own. So the possibility of these
things popping up randomly, just here and there as they
go is a very good possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Well, I'll tell you a little secret. A few several
years ago, NASA published a paper saying that portal portals
open up on Earth every nine minutes or so right
somewhere on Earth. You know, they don't launch satellites, multi
billion dollar satellites, not, you know, to study portals if

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they don't exist. They know that, And there's a study
that every nine minutes or so a portal opens up
in and around Earth. So yeah, you know that it's
happening naturally. Yep, you know it is. It's happening naturally.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
I think that I could explain a bunch of things,
especially when it comes to some of these hot spots
on the Earth, like you know, any of the Alaskan
Triangle or the bree mood of Triangle and these these
type of things that happen, you know, or even missing
Paranorm or Missing four one one, you know, all the
the missing people and stuff that go into the woods

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and just vanish out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, you know that's what you know. My third film
is about vanished, you know, the Vanished, and we're going
to delve into what are all the possibilities that that's
happening out into the national forest. You know, are you know,
do the It can't be just all just people, you know,

(01:08:43):
people killing people. Yeah, I don't think it's all you know,
Bigfoot related, Bigfoot, cat, you know, get people and I
don't know problem maybe you know there's humans that do it. Yeah,
there's humans that do it. I'm sure that there's Bigfoot
that do it. I don't think that they all do it.
And I think there's a few that would you know,

(01:09:03):
possibilities a dog man, faral people in the cave system
around Tennessee. There's like ten thousand caves in just the
Townsend area alone. You know, perhaps you were just walking
along and fall down into a cave.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Yep, Knoxville has Knoxville has ten mile caverns there in Knoxville, Tennessee.
So yeah, and so I mean and and he was
talking about the Faro people. What's funny is that, you
know before the show was talking about the possible Well,
it's not a possibility that we are going to be

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doing an investigation after the Bigfoot conference on Sunday. And
this same person, some of his bosses at his work.
We've got some maps over here where they said, these
are the places right here in the park that you
will find feral people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Whoa.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
And so we're wanting to go and check some of
those things out too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Whoa.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Yeah, and this is coming from his bosses at at
the park services.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
So wow. Yeah, yeah, that sounds exciting, Yeah, and terrified.
I think I would rather run into a big foot
than I would a feral person.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Yes, I think you'd have a better chance. Maybe just
guys to throw rocks at you to get you to
go away. You know, every time I think of feral people,
I think of you know, heads on sticks, Yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Know, wearing somebody's skin or something.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Yes, yeah, it puts the lotion on its skin.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah, I think I would rather run into the big foots.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
But it would be pretty cool to catch feral people
on camera.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Oh wouldn't that the That'd be amazing, That would be
maybe absolutely amazing, And I'd love to take you up
on that offer.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Yeah, yeah, right, I've got the papers right here on
on our desk. Right here where where they've got them
all marked off for us.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
So color me giddy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
That's one of the many things we'd like to do,
you know this year.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Mm hmm sure. Yeah. When we left there, you know,
like I said, we there was a storm that hit
and you know that's going to make for some good TV.
But you know, it didn't. It didn't help us any
during our investigations.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
But one of the things that was interesting there is
we kept here these metal sounds. It's kind of almost
kind of like ar shutting or something like that. You know,
there were there were metal sounds that we kept hearing,
and uh, you know, of course we were very deep
in there. There weren't any cars around.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
So I wanted to really investigate that more. Unfortunately we
you know, we didn't get a chance to because of
the storm. But uh uh I'm sort of on edge,
you know about wanting to go back out and uh
investigate that place again, you know, in that area.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Well I had a thought and it just went away.
That's what happened, you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Know, That's all right, I have it happened daily. I
was going to tell you something, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
It was real good, dude, I forgot it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
He has to look at me. Was I saying?

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Yeah, my wife is my other brain. To my wife,
I'll tell I'll be talking about something and I'll look
at her and I was like, you know what it
is I'm trying to say, and she's then she'll just
she'll say it. And I'm like, see, carry my brain
around with me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
How far along are you on the new film?

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Oh that's what I was going to talk about? Yeah, okay,
let me talk How did you guys familiar with something
called the double slit experiment?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Yes, okay, absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
So you know from that that particles are actually conscious. Yeah,
they can actually go back in time and do something different. Right, okay,
well this I was thirty percent done on my edit
of The Vanished and it was spooky and just you know,

(01:14:04):
real earring. It kept you on the on the side
of you of your chair and just you know, even
had my son saying, Dad, you know that's creepy. And
I was proud of it. And I went off on
the trip and came back all of it gone, the
whole my whole edit was gone, and it said media offline,

(01:14:28):
media offline, media offline. Now I hadn't done anything different. Oh,
my God. And then and then I had footage that
I know that I had. I know I had this
footage because I saw it and I put it in
a special place, you know, I could in my front

(01:14:51):
pocket on my computer, and I knew I had it.
And then when I went back to started looking at
where all this stuff is, it's not there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
M hmm. That's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Wha It's not there? Yeah, And I was just frustrated,
Like at first I thought it was you know, I
run to everybody user error. Is it? You know? Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Uh? And and I just kind of leave it at
that until I hear from another editor from UH Tony Merkle.
He was he made I participated in a film called
The Meta Project and it'll be coming out before too long.

(01:15:38):
And one of the editors UH contacted Trey Hudson, who
then kind of related back to me with a question,
have I ever had files all video files to disappear?
Hm hm hm hm, And I was like, why, yeah,

(01:16:00):
yes I have. Yes. You know, it's gonna make a
little pippo for me, you know when it comes to
that that those particular scenes, So I'm gonna have to
do something creative to uh, unless I can retrieve those
those scenes. And I've tried everything that I know of

(01:16:21):
to try to retrieve though that the those videos, but uh,
I'm probably gonna have to do something more creative and
to to tell the same story using a different angle
that I've got. You always use multiple, multiple cameras, and well,
you know, one of the cameras I was that I

(01:16:41):
don't have the footage of anymore was the one one
that had the main audio, So that was the one
I was gonna use, and the audio is crap on
this other camera, Like I'm not gonna I'm not, you know,
I'm just gonna voice over that. And I'm like, no,
I can't do that. So it makes me wonder, what,

(01:17:02):
you know, in the place that we were at, did
I catch something on audio that didn't want to be caught. So,
you know, being able to go back in time and
erase things do things differently. That's why that's why I
was brought that up, you know, because apparently light and

(01:17:26):
photons can time travel. Yes, they know when you're looking
at it and when you're going to be looking at it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
They they're in the multiverse, so they are in all
the universes, all possible universes at the same time exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
So what if some of this other stuff has this
same kind of capabilities. You know, for instance, if I
caught something on audio or video or whatever that wasn't
supposed to be there or didn't want to be caught,
and they were like, hey, I'm going to I'm scrubbing this. Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
So since that's that's a very interesting take on that
because you know, I've heard people talk about and then
the ghost hunting field, the same type of thing where
they've caught EVPs and stuff, and they've listened to these
e vps. They knew they had them, they knew the
file and everything right, they downloaded on their computer. They've

(01:18:23):
even listened to them on the computer yep back and
they were completely gone, weren't there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Yeah, same thing happened to me, same exact same thing
that happened, you know, when I come back, you know,
my whole film was gone. But particularly they were these
these particular uh files that were gone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Yeah, and I knew, I.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Knew one hundred percent I had because I had seen them,
and I knew where I was going to put them.
And they were beautiful and I was like, yes, I
did a good job. I'm a brill director and they're gone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
It is, yeah, you know, you know it's uh it's
interesting and frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Right, because you're frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
But I expect for the Vanish to come out, maybe
barring any kind of unforeseen uh crap, like you know
I just talked about, uh, probably January February something like that.
I want to make sure that all the DVDs and
everything are ready to go before I release it, so

(01:19:33):
that everything comes out all at once.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Right do you do you release only on DVD or
do you also do like a download.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Once I'm going through some like uh some uh business
legal prep stuff uh with relic films, and once you
know I've got I've gotten the uh all of the
uh and the stuff taken care of, then I'm going
to put everything like on Amazon and to Be and

(01:20:06):
all that for download where you could download it digital downloads,
downloads and all that, or you can buy it or
rent it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
In other words, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Digitally and if you and for those who still want DVDs,
I'll still have DVDs. Awesome now DVDs for the Legend
of the Downy booger can be walking by at Walmart
dot com. You go to Walmart dot com and get that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Yeah, it's on to b too, right, it's on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
It is. It's on TV and uh a host of
other streaming platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
But you shouldn't mentioned that though. We need to make
them go buy it, go.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Buy it doesn't matter, you know, either one. I'll still
get paid.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
It's a good one too. I want to talk about
for a minute, if you got time, the Meadow project.
That was interesting to me when in the in the
last film, I know you went there with the trey
and he done this test the briefcase. Yeah, with the
letters briefcase test. Yeah, that was interesting. Did anything, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Not out of that particular one. But if you'll if
you go back to that you know segment, we had
lots of equipment failures, so all that was real. We
had equipment failures, and there was audio that we weren't

(01:21:46):
capturing and uh when we did the estes method. Uh
that's where I was sitting in a chair and blindfolded
and had the ghost box and all that on. Now
had two cameras running and both cameras shut down at
the same time. It was inexplicably boop okay. And while

(01:22:08):
Brent was walking around getting the cameras turned back on
during that session, he looked up and he saw a
shadow person and he said, the shadow person was behind
me and it was trying to well, he thought, like
enter me, just like trying to jump inside me. He said,
it would move in and come out, move in and

(01:22:30):
come out, move in and come out, and it freaked
him out so bad he won't go back to the meadow. Really,
he will not go back to the meadow. Of course,
I can't blame him, you know. And if you look
on the if you look on the film, there's a

(01:22:51):
there's a segment where I say stop, just stop, and
over my right shoulder you can actually see it. It
looks like they shadow. You think it's a shadow of
a person. But we go back and everybody else is
accounting for nobody else is moving. It's that and Brent said,

(01:23:14):
that's when he saw it was it was was when
that was going on, and that's when the you know
there's gonna there. There was a camera angle shift after
right around that time, and that's when everything had shut down.

(01:23:34):
So you're you actually didn't see most of that session,
you know, and uh, that session, Trey said, was probably
the most intense session he's ever been in. And as
this method because what's not recorded was he would ask

(01:23:56):
a question and I would answer. I mean it would
be a direct answer. You know, Uh, that's not recorded
other than you know the generalization answers that that was recorded.
And you know that that place I'm telling you, Jason,

(01:24:17):
is spooky.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yeah. I was trying to get a location from somebody,
but they wouldn't give it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Yeah, well there, yeah, and you know it's it's ethical respect.
Your n d.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
As somewhere in Alabama's all I got. Or tennessee there,
here we go. Maybe we'll get led there one day.
But it some pretty good ass, that's my stuff. Yeah,

(01:24:53):
the place did look spooky. I just wish that that
letter trick would have word that would have been something.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Yeah, well I saw my shirt. I saw my first
shadow person there, and the shadow person I think turned
into an orb because I saw a shadow person move
across a field the meadow and it got to another
group that was on a trail on the other side

(01:25:22):
of a small grove of trees, and when it got
over into the shadows, then it turned into an ORB
where there was an ORB there, I mean exactly right
where it went. So I'm surmising that it turned into
an ORB. And then when that other group said that,
you know, there was a girl in there's like we're

(01:25:44):
being watched. It's freaky, whatever I want to go. She
got so freaked out that, you know, they turned on
all their lights and they started moving back around the
trail and they eventually met up with us. But as
they were walking back down the trail, the ORB was
right behind them, and I was like, huh, so my

(01:26:05):
story and her story they meet up together.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
They cooborating evidence, and that's what's awesome to have.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Yeah, yep, it's it's very interesting. It's extremely interesting place.
You know, if you haven't had Trey Hudson on you know,
you know, you might want to reach out to him
man and see if he will come on your show
one day and just talk about all the strange weirdness

(01:26:36):
that goes on there, because it's it's certainly a fascinating place.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Yeah, we try to do that. Yeah, I think so
when you were sitting there doing as this method, did you,
h like, feel anything trying to take over you, like
you know when he said he sing the shadows behind
you jumping in and out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
If I'm going to be honest about that, I don't
remember anything from that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
I have no memory from the Esta method other than
like memories of like an apocalyptic world, you know, just
like dead babies around and just you know, it was
very disturbing scene. Other than that, I have zero memory

(01:27:29):
of the Estus method.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
That's interesting to do, yeah, because I mean I've never
had anything like that doing the Estus method. We've had
some really good evidence come from it, but I never
had anything where I you know, saw this other worldly
place or anything while while I was doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Now I will say that I've done it again since then,
and I'm more prepared myself mentally, mm hmmm. And I
have a lot of memories from that Estas method. And
I saw grays wow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
I saw like a gray I saw like these. It
was like it was like a gray was like peeking
at me, kind of like this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
You know, but you can tell you like he was
watching you. Huh. Now that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Was you doing it like at a an actual haunted location?

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
And so the Ray County Museum which is very haunted.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Okay, huhm. I like the Esta method.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Oh it's a it's a ton of fun. If but
I would highly suggest if you do to protect yourself,
you know, mentally prepare yourself and uh what the first
time I did it there at the meadow, I hadn't
noways think about it. You know, it's just okay, I'll
do it, and just suretuff.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
So so you didn't really have much of an idea
of exactly what it was. You knew, maybe rudimentary. I'm
putting this on and I'm supposed to say whatever comes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
So you know what a lot of people don't understand
is that when you're doing the Estus method, you become
the weedgi aboard or you become the scrying tool, and
you were opening yourself up, you know, to be able
to be the contest or con do it and and

(01:29:50):
and so if you're not prepared for that, I could
see how it would be a very it could be
a very disturbing thing, you know, because it's like, where's
this stuff coming from? And of course, you know, if
most people don't know the es this method, the person

(01:30:12):
that's sitting there blurting stuff out, can't hear what questions
are being asked. They can't get a blindfold on, so
they can't see nothing, and so they're completely oblivious to
what questions are being asked. You just know that something's
saying words and you're repeating on you know, and and
it's it's an amazing tool.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Also, if you have the camera to write the exact spot,
it looks like they're just sitting there on the toilet
looking at their phone. Oh yeah, you mean like our
intro of me. Yeah, on the David said, it looks
like I'm sitting on a toilet because you got that
spirit box right here looking at it, and he's sitting there,

(01:30:56):
so it looks like he's sitting on a toilet. He said,
that was funny. Now we have got some good responses.
We were at a courthouse and uh, we were did
we do this this method?

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
We did, but it was like it wasn't on camera
that way. Remember, yeah, we did the portal on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Okay. The portal is another great tool.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
So the portal uses the SB seven spirit box and
it runs it through two pedals. It runs it through
one pedal that takes the hiss out of it. Then
it runs it through another pedal that adds a little
echo to the voices so you could actually understand them.

(01:31:46):
It gives the voices more depth. Then it runs it
through an amplifier and so when things speak, you could
understand them.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Oh that would be nice.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's one of the Yeah, that's one of
the pieces of equipment that we have. I think adding
that to our equipment and then adding the SLS camera. Yeah,
I think the SLS camera is one of those pieces

(01:32:20):
of equipment that I'm glad that we added.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Mm hmm. Yeah. You know, you need to get me
the what whatever kind of camera that is, or or
the I guess voice modulat or whatever whatever it is
you call it the portal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Yeah, well I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Send that to me. I mean the you know, the
information about it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
I actually made it for around one hundred bucks. Wasn't
even one hundred dollars. Oh that's not attached right here. Yeah,
but there you go. Oh nice, and they sell them
online probably you know, people make them around two three,

(01:33:06):
four hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Yeah, we could show you how to how to build
it for.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Almost nothing and real simple. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
So it runs through one pedal and then it runs
through another pedal and then into this little amplifier And
like I said, it takes all the hiss, all the
out of it, right and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
And it makes.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
It makes where it goes from kind of guessing, you know,
like you get when you're just listening to the the
SB seven. It takes that guessing like did it say
this or that? And it makes the words a lot
more audible.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Yeah, that's so nice.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Nice. That would be uh, extremely useful in my next film.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yeah, if I got you know, the idea, because I
watch on TV all time Nick he was with Zach
Begans a long time ago, but he's got his own show. Nick.
He always used a portal and it was just amazing

(01:34:16):
what he got to come through there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Cindy says, I would love to see the sl How
the SLS works that one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
We did a build on it ourselves too.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
So to buy an SLS camera, you know you're gonna
spend about five hundred bucks, and we actually did a
video on how you could build one yourself for about
two hundred And if you have some of the some
of the stuff, you could do it even cheaper. So
if you have a Windows tablet already, that's probably one

(01:34:45):
of the most expensive parts of it all. It's because
it has to be a Windows tablet.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
But I just love how cheap, all cheap, all this
equipment is yes, going out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
And what was funny though, is is when we started
doing paranormal investigations, this was our tool, our cell phone
when we started, you know, this is what we did
our e vps with and and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
I mean, because these things you could actually get some
pretty decent programs to do EMF with, Like you get
close to stuff and it'll you know, it'll read that
the EMF coming off of things, so you know, if
you're getting into it, we do a matter of fact,
we just got asked to do another write another talk

(01:35:35):
on on the paranormal. This one's to UT. Yeah, class
class at UT. But uh so February we did a
talk now and then at the Knoxville Public Library, and
then they immediately booked us for October to do another talk.

(01:35:56):
And then just what was it two or three days
ago we got UT wanting us to do a talk there.
But but uh, you know, that's one thing that we
tell people is that if you're interested in these kinds
of fields, into it as easy as you can. And
this you can't get any easier than this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Uh, and got one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Yeah, And then if you decide you like it, then
you can start getting the equipment that really costs money,
you know, because it was the same way with podcasting.
Jason doing podcasting in twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
This is one of my cheaper ones.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Oh look at that. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
This is my side camera man. Uh. The one that
I call the beast is uh is locked up and
locked up in it's cradle.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
That's got that big shoulder mount, don't it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Yeah, well you can put on a shoulder mount. Absolutely.
I prefer to put them on tripod if I'm just
doing a a static interview, you know, I try not
to take the beast out into the field. I think

(01:37:17):
it's heavy. It's heavy, you know, so I try not
stake it out. But when I do, it goes on
a shoulder mount.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Wow. That's crazy. What's interesting too, is now nowadays, especially
in the last couple of years, more and more bigfoot
encrypted investigators are starting to use a lot more paranormal equipment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Yeah, you know, any any bigfoot researcher who's worth their
salt has to admit that when you're out doing this
bigfoot research that you're going to experience the paranormal stuff too.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Yeah, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
It just it just happens. I'm sorry, it just does.
I will say I went from when I first started,
I thought it was nothing but a witty because you know,
I didn't know any better. I was ignorant, but I
did intentionally did not listen to anybody. I didn't talk
to anybody. I didn't get anybody's opinions about it. I

(01:38:24):
wanted to form my own about the evidence that we
were creating. So my mind was opened when I started
seeing the orbs and all this other stuff. And now
some of the things that I encountered, like the footprints
stopping in the middle of the field, all of this

(01:38:46):
makes sense now. But so I no longer think it's
just some dumb woodie. I don't think that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
You know, we've we've gone down backfield a lot. We've
had people on the show, you know that are pretty
hard lined and hard nosed with Oh, it's it's flesh
and blooded, it's nothing else. You know, you're making things
up and making it harder for people to believe in
this stuff. With throwing the WU in it, you know,

(01:39:16):
and all that stuff. But when you hear as many
people talk about it as we have over all these
years that we've been doing this show, more times than not,
you have WU aspects to every encounter. Maybe a few
that does not, but those are usually encounters like my
own encounter. There's no WU with my encounter. But it

(01:39:38):
was a very brief encounter. You know, I only saw
no It was nighttime when I saw him. So I
used to be a over the road truck driver.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
My wife and I. She did the day time driving.
I did the night time driving. And we were.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Going on I ninety and was in Washington, was going west,
and it was about eleven o'clock at night, being the
wife had already changed and I was driving. And so
you know, anybody ever been out that way that late
at night? There's hardly any cars on the road. I mean,
it's just dead and there's a slight fog bank, So

(01:40:16):
about four car links.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Ahead of you. You'd be able to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
See maybe a tag light and the rear lights on
a car at night time, that's about it. You couldn't
make out a car, just the lights. And I'm just
driving along Like I said, it's about eleven o'clock at night,
just doing what I do. And next thing I know,
coming out of the median, a bigfoot just just comes

(01:40:41):
right out of the median, walks across or runs across
the interstate and back up the other side of a
mountain that's right there. And he did it so fast
that I was doing probably sixty five miles an hour.
I think that's about what the speed limit is through there.
But he did it before I could get to him,

(01:41:03):
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
And naturally and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
He was big.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Like I said, if I pulled over to the side
of the road and rolled down my window and in
that eighteen wheeler him and I could have a face
to face conversation, Yeah, he was huge.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
We we had a encounter this past October where one
uh went across the road in front of us, but
it was on all fours and it was gone in
a flash. You know, just it. They're naturally fast.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Yeah, I heard when they dropped down on all fours
is when they really like, I mean, they're really want
a book. It on all fours.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Yeah, you know, the the the grade up on the
each side of the road. And this is in North Georgia. Uh,
it was like you know this. No. I could understand
why it was on all fours to begin with, you know,
because it didn't make sense to stand up, you know, Yeah,
you're on all fours, you could travel better. But man,

(01:42:08):
it was moving. Oh, it was moving so fast. But
it did leave some footprints behind. And it was seventeen
and a half inch footprints behind.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Wow, good lord, that's amazing. I wasn't stopping.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Yeah, you know, we did stop. I was actually there
filming for the Vanished Yeah. Yeah. And unfortunately, haven't you
get a new camera guy? He didn't know the film
while we were actually traversing from one to our investigation spot.
So I didn't tell him and I forgot. It's my fault,

(01:42:49):
but I mean, you know, I did figure out some
things for it. You know, when they're traveling all fours,
they don't travel like this. They travel like this, you know,
with her.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Hands so kind of like like that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
It's they're like on their knuckles. And this one particular
one maybe it had arthritis or something a little bit
in its finger, because one knuckle was sticking out a
little bit more when it started going up the bank,
and you know, the it was smooth except for one

(01:43:25):
one spot that was kind of dug out, and it
was consistent all the way up, you know. H So,
like you said, oh, it was a bear, Well, a
bear would extend its claws and all marks all the
way up. That's why, actually what we were looking for.
I'm like, man, this is no barrier. I saw exactly
what this thing was.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
But it's a bear when you saw it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Yeah, it's very hard to say the bear. We actually
saw it. And this thing was so black It's like
it absorbed the light around it, you know, it was
fuzzy black. It's so black. It was fuzzy. I mean,
not like like a hazy type like haze. It was

(01:44:11):
like hazy, you know. And we were very close to it.
I mean we're than headlights. You know, how far the
headlights shine I don't know, but we were that close.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Wow. That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
Yeah. So, you know, like I said, if if nothing else,
I did figure out that they travel like this, you know, uh,
on their they put much like a gorilla does. If
you watch a gorilla, you know, they kind of travel
like that too, just like a gorilla. They do the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Mhm.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
See that's interesting though, because then that makes you go,
are they physically you know, do they do they do
things like what we would think a gorilla would do
when it comes to stuff like that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Yeah, well, I can say if you go back and
really listen to those vocalizations in the l BO film
and you start comparing it to other animals, when you
get to a gorilla, it's very close to that. Now,
not exact, but it's very close to it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
M H. I will say that they have tendencies that
that are very gorilla.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Lock, right, and that that makes you, you know, wonder
as far as I mean territorially, I could see them
throwing and trying to get you to leave by doing
the bluff charges and do all the things that that
you know they purportedly that they do.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
But at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
I wonder if because we all know that these things
are smart, we're able to stay away from us. For one,
I mean, they're pretty smart. They know not to be
around people, and uh that if these things are done
in that way to make us.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Just that fighter flight just trigger that fight or flight.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
In it's like, oh, something big is over there that's
going to eat us, So we need to run, you know,
if it if it's done purposely. A lot of that
other stuff is just for that one reason.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
At one of our locations, Uh, we really changed our tactics.
Instead of reacting to the stones or whatever they would throw,
we would ignore them and you know, we would just
keep carrying on. You know, we might say, you know,
there's a rock throw, but we wouldn't turn or anything

(01:46:50):
like that, and uh then we would find it gets
they get bigger, and they get bigger and bigger, and eventually,
you know, they're like they're doing whatever they can to
get your attention. Is all this like a game, you know,
and as soon as you acknowledge them, there they stop,

(01:47:12):
you know, like, hey, you got your attention.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
There was one time where I pick up a rock.
You know, I had some only you know, I kind
of expected stuff like that, so when when the rock
started throwing, I could figure out the direction it's throwing
one back. Oh lord, I don't think that was smart.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
What did that do anything?

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Did they?

Speaker 6 (01:47:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
You know you heard a big hoofs and a growl,
and you know, uh, it's like a.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Didn't like it, you know, playing the game.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, but it didn't you know, it
didn't hurt us, but it just kind of, uh, the
the activity stopped after that, you know. But you know
they have a sense of humor too.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
I think that's it. Do you think some of them
tend to be more evil? I mean more like I've
heard some that like in Alaska, that where they attack people.
I just wonder, you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Know, I haven't encountered those, so I can't say that.
I think it would be irresponsible of me to say
that there there's none out there that's not me. I
think that that would be irresponsible. Have I encountered some
drastically mean ones? I don't think so. I think I've

(01:48:52):
encountered some that wanted to establish.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Their dominance, right, especially that one with the ground over.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Yeah, I think they they were establishing you know, hey,
this is our this is our land. You know that
you come into our house and they were establishing their dominance.
Is really what I think that were there, What was
going on. I think there was potential to be attacked,

(01:49:21):
you know, during that time, but they chose not to, right. Uh.
You know, I don't think we would have had the power,
the fire power enough. We were armed, but I don't
think we would have had the firepower to put even
one down. But even if you did, then what do
you do about all the other ones that's around you?

(01:49:41):
You know, and they move unnaturally fast.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
I can tell you yeah, I can say yes to
that because I've I've definitely witnessed it, and it was
it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
If they want you, they're going to get you. Yeah,
you know you for one, you probably won't even know
that they're until it's too late. Uh. And I think
all this, you know, bluff charging and you know, all that,
I think it's just trying to scare you away. I
don't think they're really trying to hurt you. Just hey,
you know, get out of here. I think that's all

(01:50:14):
they're trying to do, you know. I don't think in
those instances they would actually hurt you. I think you know,
where they would actually want to try to hurt you,
you never see them. I think that would make more sense,
you know, more like a cat or something stalking you.
You know, you don't know what's there until it's too late. Yeah,
I think that would make more sense. I think all

(01:50:36):
the other times they're just you know, blowing hot air,
you know, and and you could probably get away with
blowing a little bit of hot air back as long
as you didn't cross too much of a line, you know,
like when I, you know, the back at them and
he starts stomping. You know, I don't know what the
heck I said.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
But you don't know what you're saying something.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
Do I think they're evil? You know, I don't know
what is evil. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
That's relative really it is.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
You know, if you if you take the perspective of
a deer, a hunter is very evil because it's coming
out to kill you, you know, But to the hunter
and he's just trying to eat, you know, it's your perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
So but.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
You know, all the dangerous I would say, it would
be irresponsible of me to say that they're not. I
think they have the potential to be. And you should
take you should take caution, you know, don't be scared
to go out into the woods or anything. But you know,
just be cautious.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
My wife was she put on there? She says, we
had one pull up an entire rose bush at the
at the house there we planted a few years back,
a bunch of roses. These were, you know, four foot tall,
uh bush roses, and uh you know you have to
plan them when they're when you get them there and
they're that big yet to plan them pretty deep in.

(01:52:07):
And so we had planted them in, came back the
next morning and something had just like grabbed it, pulled
it up, and then set it down beside the hole
where it just pulled it up from.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Did you check in the hole?

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
I just buried it back again because my wife was
pretty mad, what's doing this to my rose bushes.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
It's gonna kill them?

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Uh check if you if you see it again, check
to see if they put anything in the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Yeah, they might have. Yeah, I didn't think about it
this check because we had it that year. What was
really weird was that year we.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Was planning a lot of stuff around the yard and
we had it happened to a few things where it
literally was pulled up just like that rose bush just
kind of pulled up and set to the side, and
then the hole was there. But what stood out the
most was like, what's going to grab a four foot tall,

(01:53:15):
you know, big rose bush, pick it up and set
it next to it? You know, some of these others
were pretty small, so we're like, you know, I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Did it block a window or anything?

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
No, it was it was over by by our garage.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Okay, yeah, you know sometimes there are Pepa Toms too,
so but you know, they have the strangest concept of
gifts and things. You know, sometimes you might find something

(01:53:52):
that's I don't know, tied up in a little not,
you know, and and and and give to you. You know,
I'm like, you know, thanks, you know, I'm always wanted
the twig just tied up in a not. You know,
I've always wanted that. Thanks. You know, they do crazy
stuff like that. So uh, if you if you frequent

(01:54:13):
a spot and you know, like i'd give leave of
marbles or or or like, I have found out that
they're very O c D. So I like to take
rocks and I'll I'll purposefully put arrange them in a
in a in a in a non pattern and you know,

(01:54:33):
come back in a little while and they'll be arranged
in threes or something like that. You know. Yeah, so
they're very O c D. Yeah, that's what we would
call it OCD covaulsion to you know, put things in order.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
That's that's my wife. Well, Greg, we got about five
minutes left. If you want to go ahead and and
give out you know where people can see your films.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
Oh, absolutely, The Legend of the Downey Booger. You can
find it on to b TV and many other streaming platforms,
and you can also buy a physical copy from Walmart
dot com. The Legend of the Downy Booger, that is
the Land between the Lakes. You can get it on

(01:55:25):
Relicfilmsmedia dot com. It's Relicfilmsmedia dot com and you can
also contact me directly for a DVD. But you can
see it on Relicfilmsmedia dot com. And my next film
that's going to be coming out called The Vanished, it'll
be out in roughly January or February, and you'll be

(01:55:48):
able to find it again on Relicfilmsmedia dot com and
many other streaming platforms a few months after.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
That, and then of course they'll be able to see you.
You and next weekend right you'll be able.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
To see me at my booth at the Smoky Mountain
Bigfoot Conference there in Gatlinburg, Tennessee. So please come by
if you're in that area, please come by and see me.
I would have loved to see you it will be
out DVDs ever, so and if you have anything to sign,
I would love to sign it for you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
We'll be there also, so we're gonna have to come
by and see you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Yeah, I'll be there get you to sign our DVD.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
Yes, oh absolutely, we'd love to. We'd love to.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
Well, I want to thank you again for coming on
and spending some time with us. We enjoyed it. I'd
like to do it again sometime.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Yeah. Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Hopefully you can go the Sunday night after the conference.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
I'm probably going to take you up on that invite.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
We're gonna have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
We're gonna a lot of these gadgets that we showed
you tonight. We'll be there too. So yeah, yeah, so
you get to see them working, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
All right, we're gonna add out appreciate it. Thank you guys,
Thank you very much. Greg, you have a thanks for watch.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
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Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
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