Harley Owens _ Bigfoot Reports and Data

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Speaker 1 (01:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:39):
All right, it's Saturday, It's Saturday. We got a great guest.
We do have a great guest. I'll tell you though
before we start. How was at one of our good
friends' house tonight? Okay, they did a baby reveal. It's
a little girl, little girl, so not Joe and jail
as how I being a little girl?

Speaker 4 (02:02):
All right? Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
So congratulations, yes, congratulations not Joe little girl for their
first one. Whoa so, but tonight it's going to be
a great night. We've been looking forward to this. We've
got to talk to Harley, you know at the Bigfoot conference.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, and what do you think about the Bigfoot Conference?
It went well?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, we had a good time. Yeah, it's a lot
of good people up there. I think that the lineup
this year was one of the best. Yeah, I really do.
I think that this year's lineup all the way across
the board was one of the best lineups.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
That they had. It was. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
So hey, Forest of Monsters, Forest of Monsters. Hello, so
uh yeah, we got Harley Owen's tonight. What do you
think about that? Been looking forward to this?

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, he's a great guy. Yes, he's a founder of
Bigfoot Reports and Data and his dedicated as a dedicated
big foot field researcher from East Tennessee. Now, he was
initially a skeptic and then a life changing encounter on
September twenty third, twenty twenty where he discovered giant footprints.

(03:18):
Now that propelled him into cryptid research. I can see
how that would work. Yeah. So, since late twenty twenty three,
he has actively pursued answers in the field, experiencing multiple
personal encounters with Bigfoot and dog man.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, and he was showing us some pictures. Yeah, Yeah,
I better beware because some pictures.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
He theorizes a connection between these creatures and the Nephelin,
noting electromagnetic anomalies alongside strange vocalizations. Through Bigfoot reports and
data on platforms like Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook, he shares
his journey he does field trips and data and fostering

(04:08):
a community where individuals can share their experiences with without judgment.
And he's a compelling voice for those exploring the Appalachian mysteries.
He blends personal accounts with practical insights. So I want
to welcome Harley old Ones at the show.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I'm very honored to be on here tonight.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Jason.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
You and you you've definitely made you made my head
swell a little bit, but not too much.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
The door, right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you don't have to
Well you might still have to duck, but you won't
have to turn sideways.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah exactly. I got duck still a little bit here
and there, but it ain't too bad.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
We're glad to have you. Many thank you when talking
to you at the Bigfoot conference and.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
That getting to meet you at the big Foot festival.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah. Yeah, we got hooked up at the festival.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
We all like dinner together.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, that was awesome. That was a good dinner too.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
We had fun, good after after dinner, a little drinking drinks.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Just a couple of drinking drinks.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
So in your bio when you first got into this
by seeing the footprint, was you out just hunting or
what was you doing?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I didn't just find footprints. That very first picture that
I pulled up, I've seen in a big foot.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Oh wow, So it wasn't just footprints, it was actually
seeing one also.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And I wasn't even hunting. I was
working on a job site.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Wow, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, it definitely changed everything. I stopped hunting and fishing
for three years after that, and Thanksgiving of twenty twenty three,
I started to decide to go out and look for
these things. And it's been a rabbit hole ever since.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
They seem to be that way too. I mean, so
that one encounter you stopped hunting and fishing.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, it traumatized me. I wouldn't go back
into the woods. I just because what do you do
with something that big? You know, a black bear, you
know you can handle that. You just make yourself look
bigger in it and make a lot of noise. You know.
It's not it's not that hard to scare off a
black bear, but something this that was twice the size
of me and probably three or four times heavier. Yeah,

(06:34):
I wasn't. I wasn't about to fall around and run
into one of those things. But here I am now
out there looking for them.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
That's crazy. Now.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
And since you've been doing this, have you noticed though, that,
you know a lot of people talk about the negative
side of them, like, oh, they're they're mean and they're
going to hurt you. Have you noticed that most of
the time that they're just trying to bluff you, just
try to get you to run out of that area,
just just not be there.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Absolutely, But ultimately they're like us, there's good and bad,
and you know, you catch one on a wrong day
and it'll be pretty much chasing you out there, you know,
and then most of the time they'll just leave you alone.
But feral people, that's a whole different that's a whole
different kind of works.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, yes, we've we've got some maps given to us
by park officials telling us what where good places to
look for feral people are.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Okaye's Cove was one of them, but Cosby Cosby is too. Yeah,
my stepdaughter's dad actually had a feral person encounter last July.
He was out fishing and he had to feel his
bell watched. And he turned around and looked, and he said,
seeing this person picking out from behind a tree, he

(07:51):
didn't think nothing about it. He thought it was maybe
just a tweaker or something, and he moved further down
to creak away from it.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, he's sitting there minding his own business. He's trout,
and all of a sudden, he really has this feeling
as being watched. It's just like amplified. And he said,
he turn around and there's this butt naked, mangy man
standing there behind him, and it's one of its arms
is behind its back. Well, next thing he knowed, it

(08:17):
throwed down a big rock and it took off, running
away from him. And he said, he took off running
away too. And you know, I tried everyone in the world.
I was like, he had to have seen a big foot,
you know, I don't think he's seen it for a person.
And so I asked him, I said, are you sure
it wasn't a bigfoot? They said no, this was a person.
I was like, all right, you saw it, not me, right, right.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
So he might have been wanting to hit him in
the head with that rock.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Fish, Yeah, and stinking stringer of fish and maybe even
you know, throw him in the basement. You know, it
puts the lotion on him.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Well, it's funny you mentioned the basement because right very
close to where he saw this thing at was this
old abandoned log cabin.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Oh looking there. Yeah, that's insane, man.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, that's something that's something I don't ever want to
run into as a feral person, much less to dog men.
But people's just about bad enough nowadays, is running too?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, to be honest with you,
the two legged people kind are probably the scariest because
you know, you don't hear a whole lot of times
dog man killing people or of bigfoot killing people.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
I mean, they're there, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
They gets swept under the rug, right, But.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
The majority of the time it's you know, them just
running you out of the area.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
But now the feral.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
People side of it, they've made movies about that, that's
what makes that scary.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Oh yeah, that one movie that just came out twenty
eight days later or whatever it was. Yeah, that that
just gave that wasn't zombies, that was like feral people.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
That's crazy. So I almost the picture that started it all.
Then I guess right.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Absolutely, yeah, that's uh. I tried to pull up the original,
but that's not that's not the original. The original was
without the bubble. You know, it just blowed it up.
But you know for the longest time, you know, let me,
let me set the backstory of that. So a week
prior to seeing this thing, me and a buddy of
mine went up there. So before I became a lineman,

(10:25):
I didn't want to do what my dad done. My
dad worked at La Fall Utilities for thirty years and
he he just recently retired from there. You know, he
wanted me to go lineman school, do the lineman and stuff,
and you know, straight out of high school. I didn't
want to do it. I wanted to go straight in
to work, do something different. Although I had all the
scholarships to go fish wherever I wanted to because I

(10:45):
fished for Campbell County High School fishing team. And so
I went to work. I worked for my parents as neighbors.
They own to try try to state Auction Realty. It's
auction company. They travel all over auction off saw mills,
all the equipment stuff like that. So this was from Pound, Virginia,
like I said a week were there a week prior

(11:06):
and me and Cameron had decided to go talk to
the owner of this place to figure out what all
he wanted to sell. And you know, we striped up
conversation with the guy, you know, and he first thing
he tells us about is this bear, and mind you bear.
I'm like, okay, all right, was like, a you pretty
good sized bear. He's like, yeah, but those far worse
things in the mountains than him, and I'm just like okay.

(11:28):
You know, growing up big footwell was the last thing
on my mind, you know, and I've always always believed
in the black panthers because my sixth grade history teacher,
bless his heart, he was always telling us about how
him and his little girlfriend, we're up there in stinking
Creek and they pulled off the side of the roads
and this big old black cat jumps on the hood

(11:49):
of the car, big old yellow eyes, and it's looking
in on So, you know, black panthers. You know, I've
heard me and Dad heard one scream one time when
I was Lord is of ten or twelve years old,
and you know, it sounded like a woman screaming, you know,
and he told me to go get in the house, right,
And they really the first time I ever heard about
Bigfoot or somewhere around in that same age, we had

(12:11):
about fifteen or sixteen hogs. They were all about two
hundred and fifty three hundred pounds. Well, one night they
all went to screaming and raising cane and the dogs
were barking. That next morning Dad went down there to
go check on his hogs. Every one of them was
just unlive, torn to shreds and they weren't even eating
of wow. And so it was either that day that

(12:34):
Dad found those hogs day dead or the day after.
He said it was the news popping up that the
hunters in Georgia apparently unlive to Bigfoot, and it was
in the freezer chest. Well, it turned up to be
a big hoax somewhere around in that time, and I
was like, okay, well, you know, they they aren't real.
And so, you know, going on through the rest of

(12:57):
that week they're in Virginia, nothing really too crazy happened.
And every every morning when we were going into that place,
there was always wildlife. There was dear turkey, squirrelds, you know,
rabbit whatever would run across the road. In front of
us there, and it's just this. It's a big old
valley and you go down into this valley and there's
ridges on all sides of it, I mean, in the

(13:17):
middle of Virginia. So if Friday rolled around, we were
setting up the chairs and stuff for the auction. And
Saturday rolled around, had the auction and my boss came
up to me and he asked if I wanted to
stay another week. Well I told him, yeah, that's fine,
and he sent the other guys elsewhere, you know, to

(13:37):
go get the next jobs out ready. So Sunday rolled around,
it was raining on us, and I was like, you
know what, I'm just gonna go out there and get
some work now. So I get out there, you know,
I hopped on the skids deer. I had to skitsteer
all to myself so I could do whatever I wanted.
I had just take my time, you know. But I

(13:58):
still I'm a go get her. I want to get
it done. So I got I had a paperwork full
of whoever bought what, so I had to look at
what all bought what, and I organized all their stuff
together and I called it today. And so I'm just
sitting there. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna walk around
the woodline here. So I got off skids there here.
I started looking around and I find these footprints and

(14:19):
I'm like, okay, that's a big foot.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I were nowhere a size twelve, and I was like,
you know what, somebody's either playing a trick on me
or there's a big hobo out here running around, and
you know, I, like I said, I had a foot
down there next to him. I was like, you know,
there's no way this is a big foot. So I decided.
I decid, you know what, I'm just just gonna go home,
go to the hotel, get out of Rain. I head

(14:45):
back on a Monday. Nothing happened Tuesday. I came back.
Nothing happened. Wednesday, September twenty third, twenty twenty changed everything.
I remember just thinky I woke up late that morning
and so I'm like, I never going to hear the
end of this from my boss. But he was always
pretty linear on me. I was the favorite. And so

(15:07):
I get there to the first gate and there's somebody
sitting there with the trailer and I'm like, okay, yep,
I'm definitely going to hear it. So I unlocked that gate.
We start heading down into the holler, and then that
was when I really noticed the weirdness of it, because
there was no dear, nothing, anything. And I'm like, all right,
So I get to the second gate. I unlocked it.

(15:30):
But at that second gate, there's a curve right there,
and it takes you down to the old abandoned railroad
tracks that sit down there with old band and freight engine,
and so I get in there. I hopped out of
the truck. I hopped on a skod steer. He had
like two or three pallets of stuff that he had bought,
and so I threw it on his trailer. He went
on about his day, never seeing a soul. For the

(15:50):
rest of the day. It was just me and me
in the woods, Aaron skid Steer. I was playing a
game on my phone. I think it was Angry Birds.
I'm nine hundred percent sure. All I know is I
was playing a game. I was kicked back and relaxing,
and I'm sitting there and I'm like, you know what,
I'm starting to get hungry. At this points, like one
thirty one forty, I hopped out of the skidstare. I

(16:12):
head over to the service truck. Get a Coca Cola
and a good old peanut butter sandwich. I have a cooler.
I had, man, I had that thing, a little of
down pant butter. All of a sudden, I here's grass grunt.
And it was something that kind of caught me off
guard because I grew up hunting, fishing, and this is
something now I've never really heard. So I'm sitting there
and I'm looking so like mind I said, I'm in

(16:35):
this valley and there's ridges on both sides of that
saw me.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Know.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'm sitting there, I'm looking. I'm looking in the valley
where I'm at, and I don't see nothing, you know,
And I'm like, okay, maybe this is the bear, you know,
just coming in here to try and get into the dumpster,
and he's trying to get me out here. So I'm
just sitting there. I heard again. I'm like, all right,
at this point time, now I'm looking up on this
ridge line. Well, i start to see something moving through

(16:59):
the foliage on the ridge and I'm like, okay, I
can just see something big and black moving through the foldge.
I'm like, okay, this is a bear. Well, I looked down,
I look back up. I looked down, look back up.
When I looked down, look back up, the third time,
I've seen this thing doing the classic peekaboo thing. So
it's just sitting there, just peeking back and forth, and

(17:22):
so I'm like, oh my gosh, that's a big These
things are real. People aren't crazy. And so I'm a
thousand miles an hour in my brain like what do
I do? And so the only thing I know of
to do was pull my phone out and take a
picture of it, because as sure as I would have
tried to get a video would have been gone. So
I pulled up my phone and zeroved it in, took

(17:43):
the picture, and I was like, oh my gosh. Then
the craziest thing happened. I had a brand new iPhone
Plus at the time, and it just mysteriously just shut off.
And so I'm not crap. And this thing we're looking
back and forth at each other, and then atually it
just turns around and walks further back up onto that ridge.

(18:04):
I never moved so fast in my life. I jumped
in that truck. I locked the doors and I cracked
the windows, and I'm just sitting there parently, and I'm
like what do I do. I'm not gonna call my
boss and tell them I just seen a.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Paper so he's gonna drug test you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
So I was sitting there, you know, going on around
two dusky dark, and I sitting there doing paperwork and
all stuff. I was tripping out every little noise, and
so I'm sitting there and then I start to hear
these things hollering, and I'm like, oh my gosh, and
I've I've got the audio and stuff, and I've posted
it on different places. I don't think I can pull

(18:39):
it up on here, but these things were hollering and
back and forth at each other. And I've actually had
the audio analyzed and it ranges from two hundred and
fifty herts all the way up to two thousand hurts,
and it's they said there's more than one individual creature
based on the tones and the sounds that was being made.
So I definitely definitely changed everything for me. Then Thursday

(19:04):
roll around, I get back out there. You know, I
find another trackway because after I had left, that thing
came down off of that ridge down into that sawmill area,
and I could not do the strides that was in
between these tracks like it was just just mind bobbling
to me. And then Thursday night they started hollering again,

(19:25):
but they were further away, and I recorded two sets
of audio at night, so that that was pretty wild.
Then Friday rolled around. I was ready to get out
of there, you know, which was driving diner called Rowboats
and I got my order of my food and stuff,
and I seen these old timers sitting at the table.

(19:46):
If anybody's gonna know what I seen is gonna be
these old boys. So I just sat down. I struck
up conversation with them, you know, and they, you know,
after a minute or two, I kind of dropped the
bomb on them. I'm like, your boys are seen or
heard anything weird in these woods? And now got quiet.
One of them looked at me and said, what did
you see or hear? And I said this, you know,
I showed them the picture. You know, I don't listen

(20:07):
to the sounds. I showed them the footprints, and I
got quiet. One of them said, oh, those are the
devil monkeys. I said, so bigfoot. They're like, yeah, devil monkeys,
wood bourgers, mountain giants asked what you know, it's all
the same thing, and I was like, all right, that's
all I need, right, And little little did I know
that when I would return home, I faced the most

(20:28):
rikul that I would have ever faced in my life.
It was everything other than what it was. I had
people tell me the sounds were elk. I had people
tell me it was coyotes, coon dogs, you know. And
then I had people tell me that the picture was
a bear or you know, it was just a shadow.
And so I just shut it off, never told anybody,

(20:51):
and I stopped hunting and fishing for three years, and
then I traumatized me, man. And it wasn't until August
twenty twenty three that I started sharing my story, you know.
And if I got to give my wife credits, because
you know, she was she was the one that got
me to come out of my show about sharing it.

(21:12):
And so I started, I started going on podcasts and
telling my story, you know, and I was like, I
got to get back out in the woods. And so
Thanksgiving of the twenty twenty three I went back out
there hunting, and overcame what I thought was the fear
of the bigfoot, and I've learned that there's a lot
of other things to fear besides them, and so I'm

(21:33):
just very thankful for my wife and she's definitely one
of my biggest supporters. Although she don't want nothing, she
don't want nothing to do with them. She's had a
bad experience. But we'll dive into that here in a minute.
And it's just been an ever ending rabbit whole since,
you know, just experiencing these things and seeing them and
diving diving into it from a biblical point of view,

(21:56):
you know. And there's there's there's a lot of a
lot of weird stuff that happens in areas with Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Right, do you believe in the wu side of things?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Because I know, Oh yeah, I've experienced a woo most
Oh yeah, I've I've experienced the mind speak, I've seen
the orbs, I've heard the metallic sounds in the woods,
just all kinds.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Of crazy stuff, right, yeah, Because I mean that, you know,
a lot of the Native Americans believe in the orbs.
They talk about the orbs and Bigfoot almost synonymously, you know,
mm hmm. So yeah, that's that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Now, whether these things can open portables, I do not know,
but I would imagine that they know where they are
and maybe they can use them I don't. I don't
know if they can open them or not. Maybe something
else does and they just use them. So but that's
part of the woo and all that good stuff. And
you know, I kind of, I kind of I didn't.

(22:53):
I initially thought that these things were apes. I really did.
I really thought they were gigantopithicus or so I'm kind
of relic human, right, But then, you know, as I
started getting into the scripture and all that. But it
was after that, was after I had my second encounter
with these things, and that that was just a week

(23:15):
after starting my research. Right in the heart of where
the Great Smoking Mountain Nasal Park, you know, Scott Carpenter's
starting stopping.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
YEP, which is not too far from where we live,
where Scott Scott Carpenter, you know, stomped around in the woods.
It's not very far away.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
What did you think about his work in the in
the portals. I know, I watched one video where he
was going down.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
To the trail, Turkey Pin trail. I know exactly which
video you're talking about. That video is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
It is I have to actually seen something coming out
of that belt.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
And if the funny thing is that there was nothing there,
and then you just see this thing just stort just
forming out nowhere, and then it makes a perfect circle
and then this white creature is coming out of it.
Whether it's a bigfoot or not, I don't know, but
it's something.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
There's no telling what what can come out of them.
I mean, dimensional beans could be about anything.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, I mean, who's to say that they
don't even go through time? Even because you know, I
got somebody telling me the other day. It was a
while back, but somebody said that they seen a pterodactal
flying in and out of trafficing Gallinburg.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
You know, I seen a picture on Facebook of somebody.
It looked like Gatlinburg, but there was there's a terridactyl
flying up. I should have saved it. Wow, But I
did see that it was wild.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Well, but then then you got to go into the fact,
you know, if the the extinction of the dinosaurs and
all that stuff, and going out from a biblical perspective,
you know, Day six, you know, man and dinosaurs walking together.
But well, that's that's something that I ain't I ain't
gonna start preaching or nothing.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
So I know that you've seen dog Man.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Two because we've got a photo.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Well, it's a funny thing about this, this particular one,
we never we never seen it, you know, we were
This happened in April twenty eighth of twenty twenty four.
We go out turkey hunting. Mind you, this was the
first time I've spring. I've been spring turkey hunting at
the time since the spring of twenty twenty, so I
was I was ready to go out and shoot me

(25:33):
a bird. Well, we get out there, you know, it's
about four thirty five o'clock and the sun's finally starting
to come up out here at the forests of the river,
and we hit the trail heading up through. You know,
we hit the alcohol. Them turkeys are gobbling off in
the distance. We're not really sure where they're at. We
get a gentle direction, so we pulled out our map

(25:54):
and looked, and back on the back of the Wildlife
manager area, there's three big open fields that run right
along Tennessee River. I told him, I said, that's where
we're gonna be at. They're gonna be out in the
field stretting. So here we go. We start rucking it
out there and there's a part of the place where
there's a bunch of swamp in there. So we're mucking
around there and getting getting to these fields. We get

(26:16):
there and there's nothing, not a bird in sight, you know.
After the sun had come up, they shut up. They
were only gobbling on the roost. And so when we
get out there, and I told him it was about
eight o'clock, I said, I'm ready to get out of here. Man,
I'm done with it. He's like, you sure, I said yeah.
So we get to looking for a way to get

(26:39):
back out, because we weren't going to go back the
way we came in. I said, let's go this way.
So we head along the back of this wildlife manager
area and there's a shit big old ship out there
ready to keep the tractors and all this stuff in.
I said, let's go right here and we'll go up
this way. And because he was pulling up on his
map that there was a trail that we could go.

(27:00):
We could go up the creek bed and then hop
onto this trail. So he was in front of me,
I was behind him, and we weren't even ten fifteen
yards into the woods, and I could hear something start
following us, and I'm like, I'm not gonna tell him
there's something following us until he hears it, because because
I want him to experience it. Well, we get the
hike along up this creek bed, and you know, I'm

(27:23):
still hearing this thing behind us, and then we get
to the point of where, you know, we have to
pull ourselves off out of this creek bed, and of
course there's there's a falling tree right there. So I said,
let's pull ourselves up right here and we'll just keep
on going. So he reaches up trit to pull usself up.
I had to give him a little bit of a
boost from the foot, and he gets up there, and

(27:44):
I just reached up and grabbed it and pulled myself up,
and we get out of the creek bed and we
may be yet twenty five thirty feet away from the
creek bank, and all of a sudden he stops. He
said hardly, there's something fowing us. I said, yeah, it's
been following us for about twenty minutes now. And at
eight twenty eight am, I turned, I took a picture

(28:05):
to the left of us behind from behind, I took
a picture straight behind us, and then I took a
picture to the right and I said, all right, let's go.
He said what was it. I said, it's probably a
big foot. He said whatever. I was like, well, you know,
I do this stuff. So we finally get out of there.
He drops me off a home and I started looking
at the pictures. The first picture nothing. Well, when I

(28:28):
got to the second picture, I instantly seen it without
haffing to zoom it in. But originally I did think
it was a big foot. But then when I blew
it up and actually looked at it, and I was like,
oh my gosh, that's a dog. I sent it to
him and he said, dude, what the hell is that
And I said, that's a dog man. I said, you're
lucky you didn't see it.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Steven says, the eyes look like
a new bus Egyptian a new bus.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
And you know, and that that goes back into you know,
the mythology and all this stuff. You know, these dog
headed men, yeah, another manlike creatures. You know. It's just
and that that ties back in with the nephiling in
the Fallen you know, the fall it was a seed
war to stop the coming of Jesus Christ, you know,

(29:17):
and they were they were trying to wipe out the human,
pure human bloodline, you know, because Noah his family, they
were only pure humans on the earth. And so I
think that these things are reminiscence of that, you know,
descendants not true nepheline, but descendants of the nephiling. And
we'll dive into that here shortly.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
That picture, man, is just awesome. Yeah, I believe you
really caught it. I mean, yeah, that's that's amazing. It's
not paradolia. I know that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
When you showed us earlier and then we went to
start the show, I told Jason, I was like, if
that's the best case of paradolia I've ever seen, or
that is the true thing, man, because that you can
see the snud, you can see the eyes, you can
see the ears. I mean, that's not paradolia.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
It is not.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Pull up that other one so people can kind of
have a glimpse, Yes, what I was talking about there
with the tree, the fallen tree.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Okay, get it up.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, so so you can pull myself up where it
v's off. I grabbed the bottom part of the V
to pull myself up out of that creek bed so
I could reach up and grab it from the creek bed.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
That things I can reach at least eight and a
half feet.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, that things that and that thing's nine or ten
foot tall, thy every bit of it.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, And it's crazy to think something like that's running
around the woods just twenty ished minutes from downtown Knoxall.
But there's a backstory behind this place. So I had
I had a guy call me that hunts up in Greenville, Tennessee,
and he was chased out of the woods by some
big foot. He grew up next to this wildlife management

(31:03):
area that he had a buddy from high school that
was at with his dad helping hang tree stands one
day and he said he his buddy wandered away from
his dad and he went looking around in the woods
and he said that he found a cave. I stop it,
Dad's busy, you know. He he said that his buddy

(31:24):
found his cave and he heard something rummaging around through
the cave, and he said he was standing there and
looking and he said what came out that cave was
a gray werewolf. And what he was telling me, you know,
that just goes to show that there's a population of
these things living on this wildlife management area.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
And then that.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Goes into you know, whether if these are government made creatures,
you know, or if you know they're natural creatures, and
all all the conspiracy theory rabbit holes that you want
to go down. But I think I think some of
them are made. I think that some of them may
be natural. But then you know, of course you've got

(32:06):
some that's from the falling, right.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Yeah, we just had Vic Kunduff on the show Thursday
and we talked about the dog man. It's his specialty.
He takes all his reports and thousands and thousands of reports,
and you just can't dismiss that.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
No, No, well, I mean even in oak Ridge. You know,
you've got CERN right there, you know, and there's a
lot of shady stuff that goes on in oak Ridge.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, they built the atomic bomb there, but what is
CERN doing in there?

Speaker 5 (32:39):
You know?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
And there's just so much dog man stuff coming from
East Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, and I don't know if you all are familiar,
but though in twenty twenty one there was some quote
unquote dog attacks in Cock County. Yeah, I won't really
dig too much into that, but now I'll just say
it wasn't dogs because the autopsy and all this stuff
is just wild.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Right, m Yeah. I think.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
When that happened, we had someone on or something that
was talking about it.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I know somehow we.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Got to that subject, and it might have been Matt Sebert. Yeah,
that was on I think. But what was funny is
that they, you know, Matt said the same thing, was
that there's no way that this is a dog.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well, they dug up two dead dogs and they said
that those were the dogs that doesn't attack, and those
dogs were way before the tax even happened.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Hey, the dead dogs came to life and killed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Well, I had a good friend of mine who a
remote viewing on it and said that it was a
zombie bear.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
It might have been the Cocaine Bear.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
There you go, cocaine that's it. Hey, you know, you
don't know what you're doing when you're on that stuff.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
I guess it's seen the movie right now.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
And it's crazy that that it's all based on a
true story from here.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yes, I know, that's insane, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, Oh my goodness, cocaine bear numbered.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
That's awesome. That's funny. Man.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
So since you've been doing your research, out of all
the times that you go out, what is the percentage
that you actually stumble across either evidence or one of
these creatures as far as Bigfoot or you know, dog Man,

(34:55):
either one.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
It's it's always more some fine than they have the
dents than actually seeing them. You know. It's not every time,
you know, you go in there and you'll see one,
you know, because they know it and stay hit and
especially with the Mountain laurels, you know, the excellent source
of cover for these things. But you know, I've taken
several people out into this area and some of them

(35:17):
have never seen one, you know, and if it's just
meant to be, they'll they'll be there, you know. And
it's I've got several buddies that, especially Riley, my buddy
Riley from Midwest s myth Os. He he came down
from Michigan and he he he was tore up. He
was tore up man. He had his life changed. And
he said, y'all Southern boys do it different, so you know,

(35:42):
and then even when my buddy George came out, you know,
January seventh of twenty twenty four, you know, that was
really the first time I've ever brought anybody out into
that area. You know when we've seen a big foot
that we've named alf Alfa. You know, he was eight
and a half foot tall, had his hair was sticking
up straight on the top of his head like our
fulf off of little rascals. That's why we named him Alfalfa.

(36:05):
Because it was sleeping and snowing and raining on us,
and so it was just it was just so real, man.
And you know, I didn't know George started chasing the thing.
You know, I'm standing there. Let me okay, so what
had how that happened? You know? We were going through
my area hiking and research and all that stuff, and
we we get above the cemetery that's in my area

(36:27):
and I nudged him on the shoulder. I said, George,
let's let's go down in this holler right here. He said,
all right, you know, because there was high breaks, you know,
and I was like that this is a trail that
they're using, you know, because it's way too wide for
deer or anything else. And so we go down in
this holler and we're staying in walkie contact with my
buddy Robert Effler and his wife. It's y'all, y'all met

(36:50):
the n C I guys what I talk about. Guys.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah, we.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
George and Robert and all them.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
So we're standing in walking contact with Robert and Michelle
and and George are working a way around and we
get to the point of where we're on this ridge.
But then there's a little valley and then there's another ridge,
and so I'm as walking along. I catch a glimpse
of something moving along the other ridge and I see

(37:21):
it going behind a tree, and I stopped. I said, George,
there he is. He said, hard that's a shadow. I said, George,
that's a bigfoot. He said, holdly, that's a shadow. I said, no,
it's not. I said, stand right here. So I started
walking towards it. I maybe get ten fifteen feet away
from George, and I stepped on this branch. It's like
a shotgun going off. His big foot braces itself on

(37:44):
the tree and he does this number to kind of
lean to look for him because I was where he
couldn't see me. And the next thing I know, I
hear George.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Say oh shit.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
And the next thing I know, George comes running past me.
And I'm still standing at trying to figure out what
in the world is going on. And so at that point,
George is already up there to the tree where the
bigfoot was that he was already gone. And we get
up there and he said look, I said what And
right there in the mud was three perfect toes and

(38:16):
there was a slight pinky toe and a slight big
toe in the mud. And I was like, well, where'd
he go? He went this way? And so we get
back in there and there's a funnel, like just a
huge funnel in the laurels, and that was the way
that he took off him. Well, next thing, you know,
here comes Robert over the walkie talkie. What in the
world of overs tore up over there? It's something coming

(38:39):
like a bulldozer through the wood. It's a bigfoot. It's
a big foot. And then all of a sudden, it
just it just stopped. And you know, and the only
reason Robert was tore up about it, you know, he
heard it coming through the woods. But then there was
a bunch of crows that came flying out of the
woods and about hit him.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Stephen says, like the old saying goes, I don't have
to outrun it, just have to out run you.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I will say my wife definitely outrun
me one time.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Was this her experience?

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. It was our anniversary
last year. We went out hiking, you know, it was
a day before birthday. It was our wedd name. We
go after hiking. So this is a place called Wolf
Creek Falls. It's in Cock County. Start charging them for

(39:39):
telling the story.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
I would. I would. That's twenty bucks forget telling that.
The big Foot conference I didn't get to listen to
to the round table.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
No, I didn't tell I was telling people about it
though the conference. You I didn't tell it up on stage.
But yeah, yeah, we go. We got this place called
Wolf Creek Falls, and it was about three hour hike
and we get up to the swar phone stuff, you know,
we're swimming and all that stuff. And when we come
back down, we get about we get down off the

(40:15):
mountain into the valley and she's in front of me.
I'm behind her. We're walking out of the trail and
all of a sudden, she says, there's something phone us.
I said, yes, probably big foot. She said, don't tell
me that. Don't tell me that. I was like, it's
probably a big foot. Well, all of a sudden, here
comes this big rock flying out and she took off running. Boy,

(40:38):
I'll tell you what, I've never seen little legs move
so fast. And I said, don't don't run. Well, she
fell and broke her ankle. So what was a three
hour hike turned into a four hour hike and next
thing you know, it comes a month soon. I'm talking.

(41:02):
This rain was coming down so hard you could only
see twenty thirty yards in front of it was just
like a big sheet of rain. It was thundering and lightning.
It was just so bad. And you know, we get
to the hospital a lot that stuff, and it was
it was broken and she was in the boot for
two months. Oh no, I have to find the picture

(41:23):
and show it to you guys. Sometime her ankle was huge, dude,
Like it was bigger than the softball. Like it was
just so nasty, like the bruise was going down into
her foot and upper leg.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
It was horrible.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Oh that's insane.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Overly overstoked Oscars ask, do you think it's human ape
or something else?

Speaker 1 (41:47):
I think they're a human hybrid. Yeah, as you know,
Scott Carpenter, you know, has sent her at Simples off
to be tested. You know, he'd done a lot of
a lot of stuff, you know, to try and get
the DNA. And you know, the biggest technique that he
would do was the bacon grease. Put the bacon grease
up on a tree, put packing deep down below the grease,

(42:10):
and when the big foot would come in to lick
the bacon grease, their hairs would get caught in that
tape and then they would pull away from the tape.
And that was how you could get the skin tags.
But you cannot get DNA straight from a sasquatch's hair
because they don't have a modula. Modola is a thin
layer of tissue that we have in our hair. And

(42:31):
so the DNA shows that the mitochondrial d DNA of
a big foot is a human mother from the Middle
East two thousand years ago. Father is something completely unknown
the science. So huh right, But I'll do you want

(42:53):
even better. So a buddy of mine, Bo Kennedy, has
a podcast called the Bump podc.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yes, and and.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
He was emailing this woman. I think she was from
Pennsylvania or somewhere up in there, but she had a
relationship with the bigfoot and it was it visited her
as orb at first, or so it goes, you know,
and it was communicating with her telepathically and all that stuff,
and then her as a bigfoot, you know, and it's

(43:28):
it's communicating to her telepathically and.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
All this stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
And she got to the point of asking it what
it was the children of the nepheline. It was telling
her that the Bible was wrong and all this stuff.
And I'm just sitting here like, h the n and
me is telling you that the Bible is wrong.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Okay, that's that's interesting. I've never heard that story though,
m cutting out just a little bit, just a little bit.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
They're always listening.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
No, that's crazy, though. I've never heard that story before.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
But now I do know that, you know, and a
lot of people aren't talking about it, right. And I
do know that all the DNA studies that's ever been done,
every single one of them have always come back with
the female mitochondria and the unknown you know, male subject
every time.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
And they keep wanting to say that.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Dog is the same way.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Oh see, I've never heard anything about a dog man DNA.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, Scott, Scott, I believe got some dog man DNA
that I believe if it's true. I believe that he did.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
M if I'm not mistaken, it's from out there telecoat.
The cemetery is that he used to research.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah, that's not far from us.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, because that's where he that's where he got that
one dog man on video that was right behind him
and you can see it peeking its muzzle out from
behind him.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Mm.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Did he get did he get it tested the DNA
and when did it come back?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
It was the same way as the bigfoot human then
human mother with a father unknown.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Well, I mean even if you go into chat GPT,
which I don not. I do not trust it.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I mean I only use it to test it out.
But you know, chat GPT it knows a lot mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Does it really? Most of the time if we're searching
something we use, if we use chat GPT, it it
tells us. So we can't we do not give out information.
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
What you what you gotta do is you gotta tell
that you want to play again, and you have to
give a code word for when it can't say yes,
like use apple or something. So but make sure it's
one word. Make sure it answers you in one word,
and I've got a big old I've got a big

(46:16):
old video of what I've done with it, and it's scary.
It's scary. I always said that AI is not human
artificial intelligence.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
There's a lot of other people out there that are
saying that it's already smarter than we are. Over the
overstoked oscars. Ask because that's why they say it's contaminated,
And that's what I've always heard.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Oh yeah, absolutely, That's why I said examinated because it
shows human DNA.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
DNA. Yeah, and I will.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Sow's in there. You know, if they were just an
ape or something like that, they would already have them
in the zoo by now, right.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah. Well, and I think that.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
The majority of the people who are looking for these
things refuse to think that they're anything other than flesh
and blood, and so they discount anything that's told to
them that's outside of that spectrum, and and so they
limit the fact of what it is that they're actually

(47:25):
looking for. And I don't think that they would they'll
ever find it. I mean, as long as they're discounting
all the other parts that go with it there, they're
never going to find it.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
No, No, and that's just like me, It's like, why me,
Why do these things choose to show themselves to me?

Speaker 5 (47:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Is it because they pick up that I give off
good energy?

Speaker 5 (47:48):
You know?

Speaker 1 (47:48):
They know that I have good intentions.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
It's just it could be a million things, you know.
And I do have RH negative blood and there's a
lot of people you know that dive into the RH
negative blood type, you know, because apparently neffhele and bloodline.
So that's probably why I'm so dangon tall.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Well, you know, I definitely believe they pick and choose
who sees them.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, David's oh, I'm oh negative, and he's seen one
and I've seen one.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I have yet to catch one. I've seen boys.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
We'll playing, we'll plan a hike out there in my
area and we'll make it happen.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Let's do it. Yeah, we've been wanting to go. We're
probably going this this fall to the l b L
camp for about a week, so we go there. Let
me know you're around that area.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Right, Yeah, I'm out here living now. Yeah, I love
about forty five minutes from there'll be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Do you really so?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Are you on the Tennessee side?

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, I'm on Tennessee side, ain't. I ain't living in Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
You can.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Go blue man.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Oh no, So if you go up twenty four through Nashville,
is that the best way for us to get there?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
You have to go that n Is it fifty nine?
I think fifty nine on Dover side? Yeah it's twenty four. Yeah,
get off to twenty four, go through Clarkschool and go
out to Dover. Yeah, yeah, you're right, yep.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I used to be a truck driver, so I've got
most roads in America mapped in my head already.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yeah, it's hard for me to get lost. But uh,
I was just up there this this week is Friday.
As matter of fact, I had to drive all the
way up to Paducah, Kentucky, pick up an pick up
an eighteen wheeler, and bring it back here to Tennessee.
So I passed the big signs going through there, land

(49:50):
between the leaks.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I mean, even if you go out there and drive
pash Fort Campbell, man Fort Campbell driven by the fences
and stuff, that there, man, it is.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
A yeah yeah, yeah, that's that's crazy. So you're really
close to there, huh.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
If you want if you want to do there, you
can pull up at that other picture that I put
in there after that dog man. No, not a lot
of people have seen this in which I've posted.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
It, but oh that's a good Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
So that's actually from my back trail camera. You know.
I do what Scott done, and I record behind me.
And that was from December ninth, twenty twenty four. I
headed out into a new portion of my research area
and I was hiking along through air and I actually
just walked right through where that thing was sitting at

(50:43):
and I go, so it's flat down there where it
was at, and I walked in a straight line. I
had it on a shady in hand, and I was
cutting the brush and I get up on top of
this little hill there and mind you, my camera's facing
there behind me.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I turned and then I turned back, you know, my
you I didn't know this at the time, you know,
but I had by every arm hair on my body
was standing up, and I knew I was being watched
right there. And I went back in the video straight
to this part, and that thing was sitting there looking
at me.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Mm hmm. Wow. Its eyes are very Yeah, I even
see its nose and mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
You can see it's cheap.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
You can tell it don't have a neck, right, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
That most of them, most of them don't. The ones
that i've I've seen the heads sit on their shoulder.
You know, they're real wide, you know, some of them,
the one I've not seen. No blanky ones. You know,
they've all been pretty stalky and built.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Mm hm. Wow, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
That's that is interesting, Steven says. Look at the wrinkles
on the foreheads. You can see the expressions.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I think I have zoomed out the original image of
that one. Let me pull it up and see. I
think I've got it.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
That's interesting though. I mean, Jason and I are definitely gonna.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Have to get with you sometime to go do a
investigation because that'd be fun.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
A good time everybody everything, everybody that comes out always
has a good time.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
We we've got some night vision goggles or glasses, and
we've also got thermal too.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Yeah, boy, plus a lot of a lot of investigators
are starting to use a lot of paranormal equipment too
to try to catch because I believe deep down that
they are strange and paranormal, right, You can't explain it, so.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Will I will say the mind speak is the craziest,
the craziest part about all of it, Yeah, because I've
had it happen twice, and it just happens out of nowhere.
That's the first time I experienced it. The first time
I experienced it was New Year's Eve of twenty twenty three.

(53:22):
I go out, I parked, and I maybe get thirty
forty yards away from the car, and I hear Jerome,
and so I do a full three sixty and I'm.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Like what.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
And then I'm like, that was in my head, and
so I'm I go further up the trail a little
bit and I look to my left and I see
an X structure off the trail, and I'm like Jerome,
And so I looked up what Jerome meant and it's
ancient Greek for elder or guardian.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Mhm.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah. And then the second time I experienced it was
just this April, me and a bunch of my buddies
went out with me and me and twelve other people.
We came out and done hiking and all that stuff.
And We've actually got a documentary coming out about it
called Operation smoke. And this was the trip that changed

(54:21):
my buddy Riley's life. It was we were down in
this holler, you know, and I'm not going to spoil
too much about it, but we were on our way
back out, and I'm leading the pack, you know, because
nobody else really knew the area, and I'm standing there
and all of a sudden, my ears start ringing, like

(54:42):
getting puzzy and cloudy, and then something says, get out
of here now. But it was it was in English,
but it was like a Native American voice. It just
said get out of here now. And I just started
walking on and everybody just followed in behind me because

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I I didn't have no words to describe it. And
that night I did not sleep a wink. I did
not sleep at all. I was up all night sitting
by the campfire, keeping watch.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
And that was.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I never told I never told anybody that until a
couple of weeks after I told him. You know, we
all have a group text and I'm like, guys or something,
I didn't tell you that happened out there, you know
when it was pretty scary.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Wow, that's crazy. See, we had somebody Matt Seber Seber.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
His son, Yeah, and no, it was Matt Seber that
had to mind speaker. He said, it said, I'm here. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. Like when I had my experience, it
was just a roadside crossing experience. Being a truck driver.
My wife drove a shift. I drove nights, and we

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was on I ninety in Washington's Date on westbound towards Seattle.
That's where we had our drop off that next morning.
And my wife was in bed or in the bunk sleeping,
and I was driving, like I said, it is eleven o'clock,
about four car links ahead. You know, it was just
a fog bank where like if a car was there,

(56:21):
you would see just the tail lights. You really couldn't
make out the vehicle itself. And you know, late at
night on I ninety, it doesn't matter where you are.
On I ninety, it's like dead dead as dead could
be on I ninety. And uh so I'm just driving

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and all of a sudden from the median, this bigfoot
comes up, goes across the road and goes up the
side of a mountain. But did all of this before
I could get to him in the big truck at
sixty five miles an hour, and it happened just I

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mean just like that.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
And and and the size of it.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
I mean, it's hard to describe how big these things were,
you know, and fast. Yeah, and but you talk about
the mind speak, you know, I never had mind speak
or anything. But and and I don't know if what
made me kind of glance that way to see him

(57:28):
step onto the to the road to cross the road,
it was just me seeing movement out of the corner
of my eye, or if it was something else, But
something caused.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Me to look.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
And see him cross the road to where I could
see him fully cross the road, not just you know,
as he crossed the road. So it was pretty neat.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Well, I want quick break, Carly, if we'll give you
a chance to get a drink or whatever, go to
the bathroom. I know, we want to talk more about
your recent sightings and uh yeah before you know, before
the conference. Yeah, the big thirty inch siting. I don't

(58:22):
want to hear about that. And then the I don't
know what it was that the footprint that was something
like that. I want to know about that too. Yeah,
he's on mute. Oh did you mute yourself?

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Oh, he went out. Well, we're going to take a
quick break and when we come back we'll get him
back on the line.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Yeah, we're talking to Harley Owens and this is a
good show. Good night, and remember you can find us
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Speaker 4 (59:17):
All right, all right.

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Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
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Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
They're really good guys too. So we got a a
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Stephen Watson, we've had him on the show before and
he actually spoke at the Bigfoot conference. Yes, I sat
down and listened to him for a little bit, and uh,
we've had him on before. But Stephen, I appreciate you

(01:05:30):
accepting this, and uh, yes, I'm gonna bring you on.
Buddy's the government got him, he had to go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
That's exactly what sounds like, the government got him.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
So what do you think about that dog man picture
he had?

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
Dude? That was that that's unreal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
That the definition in the facial facial features of that
thing is is just unreal. It's the eyes is what
captivate me. That's what was like drawing me in.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
I kept on looking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
I was like, wish I could zoom in, but it
just wouldn't seem in. But I was like, dude, that
why does that look like every picture of Anubis has
ever been uh you know control, Yeah, only what I
was getting like Anubis Anubis a Nubis. And then like
he spoke you know, all the other you know, past
with him. It was even the snow, the ears, the

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rounded head.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Oh it's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Yeah, when that happened, I was like, we we He
started showing those photos before we even started the show,
and I was like, oh, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
You know, the first thing I noticed was the eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Yeah, and I was like, yeah, I'm the first to
say blob squatches and paradolia all day long, but you
can't pick that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
That's not paradolia. That's real.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
That was real, brown, blackest looking hide stuck clear out
of that green shrubs and everything he wre if he
took that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Uh, that was amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think the the gods have spoken,
and he's he's part of the elite that can see
these things. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Yeah, it's that bloodline. He's God. I guarantee it. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Well, maybe if we go out, maybe I'll be able
to see him. Maybe. I mean that when you do.
Now you won't, I'm wanna handcuff you to me, Jason.
I'll be at camp. I'll be at camp. See, I'm
the camp guy. I gotta watch the camp.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
We'll get you off in there, Jason.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
See see, we'll get you there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
I can take it going off pretty good places. We'll
get you there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Yes. So, how how did you like the Bigfoot conference
this year?

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
I had a good time. I had a really good time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I kind of I don't have a big fear of
spoke speaking in front of people, but I'm like, well,
you know, they didn't have anyone's talking.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
I'll jump up here and share a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
And I was gonna gonna tell my encounter there, but
I had to shorten it like that whole was it
was probably like what a forty five minute hole and thing,
and like two minutes if they are, because the guy
in front of me kept on got long winded. He
had a good story though, but I kind of got
up there. But overall we had a good time. Uh

(01:08:11):
got to meet you know, Jess and Joe from Hilbert Holler,
hung out with you all. Y'all gave me amazing gifts
and thank y'all again for that. That's sitting right inside
my gun cabinet.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
Awesome, awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
So uh, it's a good time. We had a good time,
learn a lot, especially when RPG.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Did that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Hang just did that whole pressure chamber theory thing that
was that was neat.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
That was really neat.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Yeah, we don't get to we both. We don't get
to listen hardly. So many people were asking for for signatures.
We don't get to leave anywhere. But I did go
to the bathroom and listen. I listened to you and
that other guy that we had talked to at the booth.
I know you took off for a minute. Uh yeah
I did.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
He was right because I've not heard of it, and
he said, I'll give you twenty dollars right now if
you if anybody else has heard it, and I never
heard of it, it's pretty neat m m hm.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
So yeah, but overall, good time and good time. I
looked in some more of that nesting witch.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yes, that was that was a pretty interesting read from
that guy was telling us about it. He was right,
there's only been three other including us in this area,
has been only seen called the nesting witch.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
And and they're called the nesting witch because they.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
They they give they pretty much are nesting whatever this host.
They're the host, so they're nesting and nurturing whatever this is.
This I've bred birds, other types of animals have cut
when they cut theirself from stern to like belly bunter.
Open up these things. These animals come out of some
sort Wow. Yeah, it's pretty real creepy too.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
That sounds creepy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Gives me very.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Big littlevies though, because it's always around water or found
in water and graveyards.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
Yeah, he said it was in a graveyard up here
in Gatlinburg somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
That's what he did say. That was pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
I hope, you know, I hope it's off.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Now the the actual grounds because you know, they're not
supposed to be buried on hollow ground.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
And stuff like that. That'd be interesting to go find.
M hm.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
So what's Arcane Discovery's got and planned anything.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Well, today, actually, I'm fixing to go back to my mom.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
I went to my mom's today and took some of
my kiddo's over there and.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Let them spend some time. And while we was there,
my sister's like that, I tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Happened the other morning. I said, no, he didn't. So
one morning she gets up and comes to my house
in babies it's for me. Well, I'm going to the
work and stuff like it mean a wife and and
she says she walked outside her twigs now and my
sister she's not fully death, but she's sort of there
to a certain levels.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
She words here and that she can hear just fine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
If anything, they've always amplified her hearing tenfold because I'll
take her out sometimes hate when he was younger, especially
hate you hear that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
Can you hear that?

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Over there?

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
You know? Stuff like that. They she was walking to
her car. They kind of live out from the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Backside of like the Hope where the Hope World and
Charleston area down there in Bradley County, and it's coming
around the back of the house. One morning it was
dark out, she says, she heard helped me come from
the woods, so I've gotta go figure that out. I
don't know what's going on in my mom's house, but
that's just gonna have to be.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
It's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Yeah, And we had we had the while back, kind
of on that area.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
While back, they had a dog get attacked by look
like to me some type of feline because there's two
puncture wounds on the back of this dog. She lived,
but she was torn up. And the first time it's happened.
She's been bit two or three other times. Wow, that
my mom's even heard some weird yells and screams and
hollers out there.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Do you think that's like a panther.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
Not with this that just happened this week with hearing
help me in the woods? I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
I think that's bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
It very well could be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
I know a lot of lure and legends say that,
especially when it comes to women and children, they will
do stuff like that like help me or have baby,
or sound like a baby crying or things like that
to try to lure you off into the woods, to
get you lost, and then do whatever. They kidnap you,

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they do whatever they do.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, And to think of it, there they've.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Had two their dogs disappear, and I think some of
the neighbors from when I was a kid their dogs disappeared,
and that same come to think of that just made
me think of it. Yeah, I'm gonna have to put
a I'm gonna put a trail camera back in there.
It's a good thing I can get self service or
whatever trips, it will send it right to me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Oh see, that's awesome. I mean because then it takes
a picture and you get it immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Yeah, oh that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Now, last fall, I did have a camera out there
because we was gonna try to do some bowt hunting
or maybe some deer hunting out there. They had a
lot of deer come through and there was a lot
of pictures that got tripped with nothing there. There's I
didn't say, nothing significant, but there would be like burst
of five pictures that would happen a matter of minutes,
and each minute had probably like twenty something photos.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
So that's how sensitive this camera is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
Wow, instilled nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Nothing, nothing but one of them had a little white light.
Nothing significant.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I would call maybe or probably a bug, but nothing
really that stood out anything.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Baby girl says, I Once again, I got feathers, and
I say, balk, balk, I live in the woods and
I'm not being supper. Supper is not gonna be supper.
I don't get off the porch after dark.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
I don't blame blame one bit the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Oh no, I'm I'm the weird one. I hear weird
things and I go running towards it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Yeah, I would at least shine a light on it first.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
See If I was outside and something crazy that I've
never heard before started happening, I don't think I would
think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
I would just be like, what is Do you think
you'd go grab your gun? I die would definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Guess whether you know. I've always had a buddy, real
good friend growing up. He said.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
We would go when his kids and teenagers out these
places that were haunted, and when we were that young
back then, we always carry twenty twos and shotguns with
us because we beig kon hunt or something like that.
Every time we was at these haunted places, he had
twenty two's with him.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Like, what are you gonna do with that thing?

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
I ain't gonna help you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
It's still better, he.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Said, you're gonna shoot rounds through all halt us through
throwing nothing that's there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
You might make it mad.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
Yeah, definitely funny.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
You know people talk about not coming out and how
I mentioned to y'all the other died that, you know,
I don't really want to see one of these things
because you know, like Harror story, he quit hunting for
three years.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Yeah, this shows you the fear of these things can
put into you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I mean, I've I've always tried to teach my kids
and stuff while we're out in the woods. My Papa
always told us, you know, you're the biggest bast prayer
of the woods. But then like yes, and you're like,
I don't know about that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Yeah, I mean when you take it, when you take
it into consideration that these other creatures are there, we're
definitely not the apex predator. If they wanted to, they
could probably sneak up on you and grab you before
you even knew it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
And they're probably there before you even know it too. Yeah,
I mean they're just you know, like ends were touching
on the night, you know, the whole, like the noises
and the portals possibly opening and such things like that.
They be translucent floating through her and you never know it. Yes,
I mean, who never know. That's like as mentioning. And
one of the comments Ron Moorehead's book talked about, you know,

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the vibration. We all give up some type of energy,
some type of vibration. They vibrate the higher frequency that
lets them be you know, translucent, quick and whateverthing else
and be able to pop in and out of our
reality into their reality, and they could be something different
in their reality compared to what they are in are reality.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Well, and when you look at it with that lens
on it, if it's from another dimension, a higher dimensional plane,
so a anything from a higher dimensional plane could go
to any dimensional plane below its dimension, just like we're

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supposedly three dimensional, we could see anything that's in this
dimension or lower all the way to the first dimension.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
You can't see out of this though, we're that's our
fish bowl, right, We can't see out of out of
this third dimension.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
We can speculate, but we can't really see out of.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
It, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
So if these things are fifth, sixth, seventh dimensional creatures,
then when they appear to us as they appear to us,
it's because they choose to appear in this dimension itself.
And then I think, like you said they could. They
could at a second, you know. That's why you see
a trackway go off and then bam it ends in

(01:18:00):
the middle of in the middle of you know, nothing.
This is just all of a sudden, there's no more
tracks because it's not that it wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
It just went onto the next dimension.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
M hm, that's exactly it. They're there and then they're
just going the next second. It's just it's unexplainable.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
It's weird. Yeah, you know, we'll never know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
We'll never know unless we get to somehow be able
to figure out to put ourselves in that in between,
and there could be if you know, there's a theory
I heard here not too long ago that I think
it was actually, you know, when I first started looking
up something, some stuff around here I come across I
can come across Harley stuff not too long ago, and
just now introduced myself really not too long ago, and

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he was talking about theory him and I think, oh shucks,
I think it's Tony from the Confessional, to be honest.
And they were talking about, you know, when the woods
get quiet and everything, you know, and all this stuff
starts happening.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
You know, maybe it's not that the predators around.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Maybe it's you yourself in that in between with them.
And then when you have the experiences, you're both stuck
in the middle of this in between and one of
y'all are fishing across over the other. And that just
gives you thought of, well, if that's the case these
people that disappear off the face of the earth, whether

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if they go too far in that in between and
then they're going on the other side, we never see
them again or never find.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Anything of them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
So that's that's the big theory I've been working on
here lately too. It's that in between what's going on
upside down?

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
That's it upside down. Yep, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
I when it comes to stuff like that, I love,
you know, speculations. Speculations is fun because you can play
these scenarios in your head and try to see if
if you plan far enough, you can see if certain
things match right. And then that's how how we could
come up with theories and and and get a better

(01:20:03):
grasp on what's what's actually going on. And so you know,
when you sit around and speculate and try to figure
out what's going on, like you said with.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
With the with the quietness.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Uh, I've had that happen before, or I was out
and and it was weird that everything got quiet. That's
when we was going to the Witch's Circle. If you
remember that one time. Yeah, I mean you're in the
middle of the woods walking to the Witch's Circle and
way off in the distance you could hear birds on
on any side around you. On the way there, we

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saw I can't tell you how many deer it was.
There was just deer everywhere. When we got there, walking
towards the Witch's Circle, it was eerily quiet. There wasn't
a bug sound, there wasn't bird sounds, it was nothing.
I mean, it was just and it was just like
in this bubble. It was this one that was nothing

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that you could walk through and go out the other side,
and there were sounds on both sides. But when you
was walking through it, I was just like, this area
gives me the It just freaks you out because you
just feel the hair, you know, just standing up on
your neck and everything, and you're like, something's just not
right about this area.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Right, And it's just maybe us falling that in between
these these areas that have something either it's gotta be
like longitude and latitude lines, or just something in the
Earth itself. There's there's some type of mass energy in
these areas that's giving something off and mixing with our

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energy with whatever's on the other side's energy. We all
just mix and it makes this opening and our domesticated
minds are not able to be able to fully see
and grasp what's actually going on.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
So it scares as it freaks us out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Yep, yep, that's fact. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
From a long, long time ago, they were they were
able to see these demons and these spirits and everything
else and do away with them and do what was right. Now,
we just we speculate, you know, like you said, and
you come up with theories and just kind of have
a thought process.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Right right. Yeah, you know, I don't know for for me,
when like when we went to Chickamauga. Yeah, the feeling
that I had at Chickamauga, I've only and it was

(01:22:36):
probably I can't describe how it felt, because I mean
I can, but it's not like anything that I've ever
felt before in my life. It really was the first
time I ever had those feelings, I mean that intense,
you know, where I felt like something was one hundred

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pounds sack was set on my shoulders and I felt
sick to my stomach. We got out of the vehicle
at one of the areas to read the stuff that
was going on there and all that stuff, and uh,
I literally felt like I was gonna throw up.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
And in that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Same area, Jason and his daughter both heard a horse
whinnie and that same area they lost what was it
like ten horses due to like cannon fires.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
The sign said so many soldiers were killed and so
many horses were were lost. And I swear it just
went and I was like, what the crap? Yeah, did
you take it up? Said no, I heard it too.
It was a horse.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
You know that's funny you talk about that feeling that
you had in that area. I was just say about
a place that we used to go to when we
was younger, was the Haunted Bridge in the Polk County,
And I can remember, you know you're talking about that.
It even makes me think more about that place. Is
I had that exame same feeling the very first time

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I went there. It had been talked about and we
had never went out there. That first time we out there,
I just boy, I was I all met it now
I'm mad en. After a minute, I was eating the
back seat of that my buddy's truck, and I'm like, dude,
we got I do not feel right out, Dude, like
we got to go. I would not take my face
out of the back of the back of that seat.
But at night, they end up seeing a white apparition

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crossed behind the taillights.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
And that's happened many, many, many many times. And we've
been out there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
We've been out there several dozen times and that's the
same thing that happens. But every time you go out there,
you have that weighted feeling of something going on, like
the biggest time, the biggest the worst time it ever
felt so waited where was was out there. We take
a friend of ours that's never experienced something like this,
and he was like he's out there talking crap on

(01:24:59):
the breadge. I'm like, dude, don't don't. For one, I'm
here and for two and this just does not end well.
And a friend ended up was doing the same thing.
He had scratch marks across the back of his kidneys,
like his Kenny areas on his back and ended up
having like some sickness that had like a kidney infection

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or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
But as I was saying, you know, we get back
in the car and he's talking all this crap, and
it's it's warm out. It was warm out that that
particular summer evening, and we had all we had sun
roof open, had all four windows down, that old Impola
and Chevrolet and Paula and we're just sitting there and
all of a sudden, a cool breeze comes through her,

(01:25:47):
I mean, a very cold cobridge, and everything that started
feeling heavy.

Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
And next thing, you know, you feel like this cylinder.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Of air, like cold Arctic airs the best the way
I can describe it, come down through the sun roof
into the center console and just kind of just sperse
through the car and then you splash it in the water.
And the way his eyes like, you better go, she's
coming out of water. AFTERSS this says, get out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
You know, hopefully, over stoked cost says you do not
mock the unknown. And that's a fact. You know, that's
one of the worst things you can do is go
into a paranormal situation and start trying to provoke things.

(01:26:36):
You know, Jason and I do a you know, a
talk on on the paranormal and stuff, kind of like
a paranormal one on one thing, And that's one of
the things that we definitely say, do not do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
You know, you never never.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Do the provoking because you know, if they are what
we think that they are most of the time, then
they were people. And you know, I definitely don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
What happened oh.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
There, sorry, ye background.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
That might have been me hitting a button or something.
I don't know, No, I think that was me. I
was trying to adjust something on my end. But yeah,
he ends up to and even you know what got
me thinking about that area of the day was I
got thinking about these eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
We've seen one time down there. We've seen these two
big sets of eyes right in the woodline. I remember
them now, being very tall off the off the ground.
And we pulled up at the bridge. Next thing we
know we did, this thing took off. The crazy part
is there was just a house right up the road,
like twenty twenty something yards from this woodline where this

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thing was.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
It was it wow, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Wow, I'd have to bring him back on, Jason, Oh
hold on, yep, boom.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
The government's after all of us.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
That's it his beard turned off the live That's fun.
It's a beard got him. Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
So what was that? You want to finish that story?

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
Oh? Yeah, we I mean we won.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
The many times we had been down there was one
time we come around the curve and about twenty so
little twenty something yards down there by the creek that's
down there, there's a woodline. There's a house about twenty
twenty something odd feet up from it, and the remember
there's seeing these two big bright eyes sitting or standing

(01:28:45):
there I'm guessing by the woodline, And as we got closer,
we've seen it and we're just like, what in whereld
is that? I don't know if it I don't remember
if it vanished, I wouldn't say vanished, but it got
away pretty freaking quick.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
And I remember thinking these set.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Of eyes being very very tall off the ground, I
mean very tall for the ground. We went onto the bridge,
you know, come think of it. I don't think that
night would anything paranormal wise happened.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
Mm hmmmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Yeah, saw some red eyes when we was at the cemetery.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
Yeah, we caught it on camera too. Yeah. Yeah, it's
pretty wild. I got in a truck at night.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Yeah, all the batteries started draining on everything that we hed.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
You know, it took my flash light away.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
That was as that was as blinky. You know, you
couldn't have my security.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
I didn't feel like, yeah, you know, we told you know,
i'd mentioned hardly mentioned about the panther, and I mentioned
I shot it when I can tell you that one
kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Real quick you walked all right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
One night we were was out there at the farm
my grant, my dad now his place, and you know,
we hunted up there all the time, you know, like
we normally did. And the weeks before this we had
some cattle. We had one cowgo miss and she ended
up getting found. She was eighting on like everything had

(01:30:13):
been like nourmal coylties and stuff like that. Well, we
had a vet come out, well he was coming out anyway,
so we had him go out there and look at
this this carcass that was left and there was big
fame marks in like the upper neck area, kind of
like what you would call like upper shoulder between the
neck and stuff like that, count of around the spinal cord.

(01:30:35):
So whatever this thing was bit it right against the
spinal cord and it went back. He said this dog.
I said, that ain't cane you know, that ain't canine bias.
He said, whatever these fain things are. He just had
no doctor off it. Yeah, he was funny, but he said,
whatever this thing was, it jumped on this cow's back
and drug her to the ground, just left her there
to die.

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
And he didn't see he uh, it predated on her.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
So we had that happened. We had a calf go missing.
I found over by a cave. There's a there's a
small caver on the family farm on the ridge side.
I found one by it when we was out looking
for it. But you know, even we heard it, heard
it now heard it from the house. My cousin would
come down the four like, hey, did you hear the

(01:31:20):
panther overth it or not? And we're like the panther?
What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Like, oh, yeah, the old black panther runs a ridge.
I said, no, we ain't heard it. Well, we end
up hearing it a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
And listening to it, and it was just to god
off a scream you'd ever heard come off the top
of that ridge.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
Everybody lived around there heard it, and I was like,
oh dang, what you know what is that? Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
We were one night over by that way because my
papa on that land. There was a cell tower on
that land, on that big old ridge, so we'd go
by and keeping eye on it every now and again.
At top of the hill, we kind of was turning
in and looked up and there was this black cat
looking thing run across the.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
Road that's up at the top up about midway.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Run across without old boy, my cousin, because he's funny,
he's boy, there goes Keisha.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
I said what he said, We're gonna call her Keisha?
And I said, okay, whatever. We'd hear holler or something
that night at that way, we said, old BIR's Keisha.
She's out hollering.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Well, anyways, we go, me and Dad we go out
cane hunting one night the band in the back portion
of the family farm. And this particular night I had
an old redbone, old cleed as he was. He was
a real good dog, I mean a real good dog.
He was real smart. I could take him off the
lead and he'll hang right beside me until I came

(01:32:46):
to take off. Well, this night he would not get
out from me my feet, I mean would not leave
my feet, like in front of my feet. I don't
know what he was doing. He never acted this way.
We had another dog with us. Dad was leading it
with Jake, the little like in Tampa. So he was
just being trained. Of course, you know he's a pup.
He's you know, jumping around side to be out there.
But Cletus, he was not acting right. Well, we get

(01:33:10):
into the.

Speaker 5 (01:33:11):
Woods and I'm fooling with CLEAs.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
I'm like, well'll get them, they'll skin, you know, skin them,
and he just was not And I'm fussing with the dog.
I hear, I hear Jake over beside me. Dad's got
him and he's just going nuts. It's Chalding's you know,
he's just going wild. I'm trying to fight with Jake
came out next to my feet. My dad said stop.
Look and I'm like what And I look up and

(01:33:36):
I had one of these you know lights that you
had on your hat back then. Battery, big old battery
on your hip with a cable. Come up over here,
big old lantern on your head. And I had it
and I looked up and all you saw was the
biggest white teeth you've ever seen in your life. With
glowing yellow eyes. I mean just blowing sitting there. I mean,

(01:34:01):
body just as black as black with me. It whitn't
as tall as I thought it would be. You know,
I had to shoulder. It was like it kind of
like remind me of like a pigmy version, you know,
a smaller version. It wasn't very tall, it wasn't very long,
but it was I mean, it was jet black. I
counted I could count the whiskers.

Speaker 5 (01:34:18):
On that thing. It's so close.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
It's just sitting there hissing at us and growling. It's
it's standing its ground. I've got clear he's his hair
standing up on his back. I'm like, all right, dad,
you know what do we do? He said, shoot it?
I said, I can't move real fast. The guns on
my ship on my right shoulder, and I had a
little twenty two Marland at the time. It was on swing.

(01:34:41):
I just had it slung on my right shoulder, and
I just kind of like, I'm gonna sling this gun
off my shoulder real fast and just dump it and
see what happens. He said, Well, when you get ready,
I'm turning this dog loose. I said, all right, cle
this is ready to go too. So I'm wait, I
just flip it all of a sudden, real fast, and
I just dumped every again, probably held like twelve thirteen boys.

(01:35:04):
I just pulled the trigger to it started clicking, and
it took off. My dogs took off, and I never
did find and like.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
I said, I scared shot. I just pulled up and
he was shooting away and I don't know if I
ever hit it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
I never did find any blood, but it never did
come back. So luckily I got my dogs back and
everything else.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
And uh but yeah, that's why it happened. I just unloaded. Wow,
and that's crazy, and it never did show back up again.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
I know I had a siding sort of. I mean,
it was a black panther for sure. But it was
one Teleco village when they first started building the road
out there, and uh a json, Yeah, they were just

(01:36:09):
starting to build the road out there, and we would
go out there and ride four wheelers and stuff, and
it was dark. I mean one night we had done
ben on one of their steamrollers and everything they leave
the keys and the stuff. So uh, I mean we
heard it screaming. I didn't actually see it. I seen

(01:36:31):
prints of it. It was in a dried up uh
pond and uh I seen the prince and you could
hear hear it screaming like it's a baby grind. But
I never did see it. But I do believe it
was a black panther which some kind of some kind
of big cat.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
R One night, coming down the mountain just below between
what we what called Smiles Gnob and the Turkey Creek overlook,
this one night just happened to look up just to
the right me and my wife and the back whar
was dating. I had to look up to my rye
and there was this back half of a big brown cat.

Speaker 5 (01:37:11):
It was my outline, no ifn but's about it. That's
what it was, because it was the tail that got me.
I've seen the big brown body and then it was
the tail. I was like, uh huh, there you are.
I've heard stories about you too.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
That's what's crazy is that, you know, the animals we
know was in the woods, you still don't even see
that often. And so it makes sense of why you
most people don't really see a lot of Bigfoot and
dog man and things like that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Right, yeah, Yeah, it's it's just like the red wolf
are running to now they're not supposed to be there.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
They supposedly introduced them and then took them back out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Yeah, and now they're starting to post there everything about
him over smoking mountains and warning people, hey, watch out
for him. So, I mean, be down this far farther south.
I think it was a total accident. I think on
it's part an hour running into it was he big.
Oh yeah, he was massive. I mean he was just

(01:38:19):
I mean tall, I mean just. I couldn't tell Zach
measure to a good grief it was.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
It was this huge.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
It made the ones at the zoo, well, I'd say
probably not the ones I've seen a Knoxville zoo look
a little smaller. But this thing was a male and
it was massive. I mean he was just built, stalking
and blocking in that beautiful red color. He had the
beautiful red head and ears and color. It was just
a beautiful animal.

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
But I remember telling Pipeway run into He said, why
didn't you shoot it?

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
I'm underneath the state federal print pen for that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
You better leave it where you shot it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Of course it didn't bother me. It just thought I
was a turkey.

Speaker 5 (01:38:59):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
He walked out like that.

Speaker 5 (01:39:04):
Ain't no turkey off a big turkey you are? Why
you why you got arms?

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
That's hilarious. Well, well, I guess we're gonna get off
here in the show. If you want to tell everybody again,
I know you've said it before on here, but tell
everybody where they can find you and and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
All right, Well, you know, like I said before, my
name is Steven. I've run a small group called Arcane Discoveries.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
You can find us on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram and now Facebook.
I created this small Facebook group and you can go
and share your stories and stuff like that. You want
to get hold of me and talk to me about
what you run into and stuff like that. Or you're
from our area, you can email me at Arcane Discoveries

(01:39:59):
for tw three at gmail dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
That's where you can find me. Hit hit me up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
All right, I appreciate you accepting that link and coming on. Yeah,
thank you. They must have got hardly.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Yeah, it's getting real good with him, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
The government said no more you tonight said.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
Ye, your internet, sir has now been taken off.

Speaker 5 (01:40:27):
His guy cut the line.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
That's it. You see the guy there with big bolt cutters.
All right, Steven, we appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Thank you, Steven, Thank you, baby girl.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
Casper says, thanks for sharing. Stephen Watts. Stephen Watson, great guy. Yeah,
I really like him. Yeah, he got some good stories
and he tells him really well. It is terrible that yeah,
finished the show. Yeah, he had something happened. I don't

(01:41:07):
know what happened, but he was having problems a little
bit at the first of it. Yeah, but it must
have it must have got to it. Yeah, thank you, Randy.
We'll definitely going to get him back on a Thursday
to finish out the hour. Yeah, there will be round two. Yeah. Uh.

(01:41:27):
And remember he's got a new documentary coming out called
Project Smoke. Yeah. So I don't know when the release
date is, but but I know that, Uh, he's been
working on it and yeah, it's report bigfoot reports and data. Uh.

(01:41:48):
He's got a lot of stuff on there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
I'd say some of those pictures plus more.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Yeah. So that that that freaking dog man picture was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
That, I'm telling you. When when we before the show
and he put that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Up there, I was like, that's actually good.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Yes, because we've been shown a lot of things and
half the time, I'm like, Okay, it's paradolia.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
I don't even see it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
If I can't, if if it has to have a
red circle for me to see it, I'm just saying
it's paradolia, and you don't need no red circle with that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
No, it looks like ans.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
When we got ready to start the show and put
him in the background and everything, I was like, Jason,
either that's the best paradolia I've ever seen, or that's real.
I was like, and I'm leaning towards that being real.
That that was fantastic. Yeah, and maybe when he comes
back home we'll have more pictures.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
I want to predict something. Uh Harley Owens remember his name,
because I believe he will be the first with with
unbelovelievable evidence, yeah, or believable evidence should I say, hmm,
well might turn the tide. I really think so. I

(01:43:11):
think he's onto a lot of stuff. Yeah, Yeah, there's
a lot of good picture, a lot more information and
evidence than I've seen from about anybody. As far as
pictures and cast I know he's got cast of his stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
Yeah, he had them at the other thirty inch.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
But we were about to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Yes, we were so just before the we'll give a
teaser because I we'll make sure to talk about it
when he comes back. On the day before the Bigfoot conference,
he went out and they found a thirty inch footprint. Yeah,
thirty inch footprint. That's amazing. Had to be what fifteen foot? Yeah,

(01:43:56):
I think softeen sixteen feet talk. Yeah, it's crazy and
I've never heard of anybody finding a thirty inch footprint.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
That's crazy, Thank you, Randy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Brandy says it's his, it's his footprint.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
What size you you were? I think he works like
an eighteen or something.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
And he also found a track. It's almost like a
reptile that was They could be that freaking terridactal that picture.
I know, that's what I thought about as soon as
y'all were talking about that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Yeah, we got to talk to him again.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
So yes, around here, baby girl Castler, Yeah, I think so. Yeah,
I think it was around here because it was the
night before the Bigfoot conference. So yeah, yep, yeah, it
depends on who makes it between fifteen and eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
Well, Well, well, mister Bigfoot, Randy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
We're gonna get big Bigfoot. We're gonna get Randy a
Bigfoot costume.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
Yeah, hey man, how you doing. Did you get out
of the hospital? Yeah? Are you feeling better? I hope so, yeah,
me too. I started to stop by your house, but
I didn't know if he was at home or not.
I seen you truck are baby girls like, Nope, I'll
stay at my house. She's got the right idea.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Jason's on par with with what you're putting down.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
I love this stuff, but I mean I would go
out there, but i'd probably hide a little while. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
But you paint your face kind of spooky blend in.
Maybe that's funny. I think, Well, I mean this this year,
we're going to do it. So, yeah, we're going to happen.
We're going uh to round this off. Just before the end,

(01:45:54):
it says, I'm still yeah, I'm out. Still not got
a long way to go. Whoop in at home? Maybe
another week or two. Wow, then skin grafts. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
It's safer in the house, Jason, It is safer in
the house. You hold the camera and I watch from
the safety of my house over the overstoked.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
Costers talking about that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
After the Bigfoot conference, we was able to go in
and do a paranormal investigation.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
We're at Jason Towns and Cade's Cove.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Went to Cade's Cove, we got the door, the gates
unlocked for us and us oh, we got to go
in and we did a couple of hours.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
It was pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
We have not gone over the footage or anything else yet,
so when we do, we might make that a Thursday
show one of these thursdays.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
I'm sure we'll get a video out on YouTube of it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Yeah, there was a few things that happened, I will
say while we were there that was very interesting. And
that's all I've got to say, because I want you
to watch it. Yes, we did have some things that happened,
so knowing what's out there stops me at the door.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
Well, Randy, I hope you get better and we'll be
thinking about you. Yep, yep. Appreciate you listening. You can.
Maybe you can go through and listen to all our episodes.
Everyone of them is tip play and let them go.
Let them go, baby girl. Crastpersays, can't wait. Oh, yeah,
it's gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
I'm hoping we've found some stuff or that some stuff
came across, but if not, I have some at least
some antecdotal stories to tell about stuff that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
So well, either way, thank you stories. Yeah, thank you
for joining us. Tonight we're gonna hop off of here
after David does his spell my spiel. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Well, I want to thank everybody for showing up and
being part of the show. Like always, Uh, y'all make
the show, not us. We just we're just here. So
we just want to say that we appreciate everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
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Speaker 8 (01:49:38):
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