The Unseen_ An Exclusive Interview with James Powell AKA Fisher of Spams

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Speaker 1 (01:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
In in the pill moon light. I don't know the form,
what we bring it to you? Truth behind the fail
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weird peleus.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
We time around you.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
See quart all of us in the woods team Preacher's
call from a timeless sel sense got a freckling place
singles from me on the sly day.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, all right, it's Saturday, everybody, it is. It's Saturday.
Did you have a good week, Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I had a wonderful week, did you I worked every day? Yeah, Friday,
well it was all Friday. I gotta work on.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'm my phone saying.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
We got a great show tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, we do, we do. We got mister James Powell. Yes,
I been waiting for this one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
We met James at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Festival.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Up in Townsend. Yeah, yep. Went out and did a
little little partying afterwards.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Great guy. Yeah, got a lot of stories too. Yes, Yeah,
I can't wait because I got his first book.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
On the email.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah it's that long, it's stories.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it's something good to read. I like how you
tell me all this as we're doing the.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Show in the email? Check the email?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I never checked it. You know what do I do, Jason,
I don't check the emails.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
So we got James Powell Tonight, aka Fisher of Spams.
He's got a YouTube channel called The Night's Watch.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes, really good channel. Everybody definitely go check him out.
He isn't your typical paranormal investigator. He's just a regular
guy who has had some very extraordinary experiences and he
is now on a mission to share them with the world.
He approaches the topic of paranormal activity of all kinds,
from hauntings to strange phenomena, through a grounded Christian lens,

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offering a unique perspective that seeks to explain the unexplainable.
So his journey began with personal encounters that challenged his
beliefs and ultimately strengthened his faith. Now he's dedicated to
laying out his thoughts, excuse me, and experiences honestly and transparently,

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inviting others to join him in search for the truth.
He cherishes his community, affectionately calling his fans spammers. That's funny. Yes,
and its.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Most dedicated supporters heathens. So he loves and appreciate it,
every single one of them. And uh, we're going to bring.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Him on to right here, says he. Yeah, we're going
to bring him on mister James. Yeah you didn't know it,
but I already have even tattooed on me. Can you
believe it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I know I liked you for a reason, even though
you don't read the emails, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I'm bad about that.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Jay didn't see your email today either. That said, Hey,
we we're gonna talk about.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I rarely look at like when our emails come in
because Jason's the one who sets up like all the interviews.
Jason's one who he does all that. That's what kind
of what the part that Jason plays in all of
that stuff. So I just kind of kicked back and
asked Jason the question, Hey, Jason, so what is what
is it going to be about? You know, what are
we doing? What who's going to be on and all

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that stuff? And what happened? I don't know what I did,
that's Jason.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
So we're good.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
But you know, so it is my fault though I
should take a little bit more time and when I
see emails come through, actually read them.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Of your pants.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Man, Well that's that's kind of the way I do live.
That's my wife since she's known me. I've never planned anything.
I've just done it.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I feel you there, man, I feel you. So how
you doing better than I deserve? You know, it's a
good day over here in Alabama. Hot hot, yes, but
I've been able to spend the majority of the day
in the air conditioning.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But that's nice. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
The wife's been working me so.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Uh oh oh yeah. If it wasn't for the grand kids,
I think the grand kids saved me today because you know,
we went out, got to get in the swim pool,
had fun today and you know, about an hour before
the show was in the hot tub, and so we
you know, it's all because of the.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
I mean, if that's all we need is an excuse,
then that's right. I'm down for it. Get me one.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yes. Hey, I don't know how it is there, but
I'm gonna let everybody know. You might want to check
your state because the state of Tennessee allows you to
get a doctor's note. Literally, you go to your doctor,
they can say you need a hot tub for X.
It doesn't even matter. You just need a hot tub.

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You don't have to pay taxes on it. Mm, just
to let you know. So I'm sure Tennessee is not
the only state that does it. It pays to do
your homework, so.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, no doubt, look into that. Yeah, that's the first
thing I need right now, man, is a good old
red neck cooker on the back porch.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
That's right, get back there and turn yourself into suit.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I was watching the video on YouTube or one of
the twitter It was in Pigeon Forwards, and that was
a bear in one of the hot tubs and one
of the cabins, just having a ball.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I'm glad that we don't have I mean, we do
occasionally have bears that show up here in Louden, but
I'm not often enough that I want to worry about
them getting in the swimming pool or the hot tap.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
So tell us how you got started in this this
motrage of paranormal.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, because I mean, you do everything you have a
not only do you have a show, but you've also
you know, do a lot of camera work. So you
work with Greg gogels And and do a lot of
camera work with him. But then you've also released your
own film not too long ago, so it's no interesting.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, I dabbled in a little bit of it all, man,
like you know it all. You know, it started off
just being you know, just doing the show and you know,
trying to just kind of for you know, historical sake
or something high and mighty like that, like, you know,
get preserve everything that I've experienced, you know, through some

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form of media. That way, maybe eventually somebody will stumble
on it and help them out. I mean, that was
like the main goal. I mean, because I guess I
should probably rewind just a bit and say, I've always
been interested in this stuff so much so that at
one point in time it got me in trouble and
that's what started off, you know, me having my own

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experiences that spawned into the show. But I've all right,
so now we can go ahead back to where we were.
And you know, that was kind of like the end
of it. But you know, the one thing that I
kind of noticed by listening to everybody else's stories that
I've heard throughout the years is just like there's so

(09:07):
many things that connect everybody's story, and you know, lots
of times people just don't even realize it, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
For me, it was like when I listen to anybody's story,
it's I only have my own experiences to go by
to judge whether it's true or not. And it's like, man,
these things just keep adding up and keep adding up.
It's like, you know what, all right, I've preserved what
I've went through. Let's keep going, Like, let's have other

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people come on. Like I've met some people at this point,
you know they're interesting. Let's have them on, and it
just kind of snowballs from there. Next thing I know it,
I'm still doing it. I'm making my own stuff. Like
you mentioned, I'm doing camera work for Relic Films with
Greg and all them, and man, it's it's been a
good time. It's been real fun. I've really enjoyed myself.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
M M. Yeah, I mean some of that camera work
that you've done with like Relic Films and stuff. So
you've been on the filming of all three of his movies.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
No, No, No, So it's I've just started basically about
a little over a year ago. So the first movie
that will come out that will have me behind the
camera will be the newest one coming out now. The vanished. Okay,
that'll be me. And then let's see here, we're going

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in sometime soon to the LBL, and that'll be me
as well.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
We are wanting to go to the lb L Yeah,
we're hoping to yeah this year.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, I'm pretty excited to go. Man, Like, you know,
it's some of those things. I've heard a lot of
stuff about it, and you know, I'm excited. I'm excited.
I really am. Yea, I welcome the challenge.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yes, yeah, I mean when it comes to the LBL,
there's a myriad of things that happens there because depending
on where you are, you've got paranormal stuff that happens,
and then depending on where you are, you have bigfoot
stuff that happens. But then you've also got dog manned
things that happen. So it's like all kinds of crazy

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things that go on in that place, and it's it
would be I think anybody that's into any of this stuff,
it'd be you know, your dream, I guess to be
able to actually go and spend some time there.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean it depends a lot on
your perspective because you know, when we think about the
natural world, the way evolution kind of and science just
kind of puts it out there. Why would apex predators
be in the exact same area that feel the exact
same niche Why would there be spirit activity going on

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in the exact same area. It's almost like there's something
that's they're connecting these all somehow, some way. Yep, oh no,
but yeah, yeah, maybe.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, you know, it's what I think is. It's kind
of funny though, because you see and not to you know,
click click baby about it or anything like that, but
you see the same thing in a special ranch, right
that they've got a TV show on where you have
all these different aspects going on at the same time,

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and you wonder, you know, everybody thinks that that place
is so special, right, but how many other places like
that are there? And is the LBL one of them?

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I mean, I don't see a good reason why not, right, Yeah,
I mean there's a lot of factors that seem to
go into all that, but yeah, I mean to think
that one place has a monopoly on all the stuff
going on all at the same time, it's just ridiculous.
It's happening all over the place and people are encountering
it all the time and the majority of the time,

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they're just afraid to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah. Yeah, it's there's a stigma attached to it.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I think a lot of the energy from there comes
from how they acquired the land and uh, you know
who was on the land before that. I mean it's
terrible what they did. Yeah, when they flooded that place.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right, Yeah, go ahead, as I say, it's a good possibility, man,
I mean, you start doing some heinous crap and don't
be surprised when the whole entire area gets affected.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yes, that's it. That's it. Well, I mean, you know
it when it comes to paranormal stuff because Jason and
I we do a lot of paranormal you know, when
it comes to investigations and stuff like that, and you
tend to get these pockets of places that where there's

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been quite a few things that's happened somewhere. And when
these things happen in these places, it imprints upon either
the property, uh sometimes structures and even even objects, and
these things can can give the appearance of something being haunted,

(14:26):
when a lot of the times it's it's not really
what I consider, you know, a haunting, because it's it's
just residual. It's something that plays like a movie. Whether
you're there or not there or anything. It's not cognizant
that you're there trying to talk to it or anything else.
You know, when you do get those ones though, that
that actually leave messages to you when you're doing evp's

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work and stuff like that, now, that's those are the
ones that you're you know, you really want to go
back and try to nail down.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, yeah, I guess so. I'm not much into ghosts,
I will admit, you know, it's it's one of those things.
I mean, if you want to go on a ghost
hunting and bring me along, yeah, there's a good chance
it might not be haunted by the time we leave.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
But I don't know. I mean we've we've been to
many many places that were, yeah, haunted, and they continue
to be haunted. Some were not.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I mean some it's just nothing there.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
But yeah, well, you know, that's the thing about anything,
and I'm sure you've you've come with it hunting for
bigfoot and stuff like that, is you know, not every
time is a home run, and uh, you know, not
every time as a win. You know, there's quite a
few times you go somewhere and it's just a big nothing.
You know. You just get to spend time with people

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that at least you're happy to be around.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, I mean realistically speaking, like, here's the thing when
you go in to do any kind of let's just say,
film work, Like the way that I explain it to
people like like my help when I do my own thing,
or anybody that might be new hanging around, it's like, look,
you don't expect anything to happen, because there's a great

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chance that it's not gonna you know, all we can
do is do our best to do what we can
to make sure we set up some great shots and
make everything look as good as we possibly can and
make some good TV. Because at the end of the day,
if it just turns out into exploring the wilderness with
us kind of thing, then hey, it was a good
time because we the cast were cutting up and just

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having to blast anyways, right, it's part of it. And
plus you get to meet all kind of cool folks
and I'll have just tons of fun and tell crazy stories.
So that's worth it. That's always worth it.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, just getting to meet new people, Like like quest
saying at the beginning you know, we got to meet
you when when y'all came down and and uh and everything.
So it was it was it was fun. We had
a blast.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Oh for sure. When it comes to conferences, I don't
care nothing about the conference. It's the after party that
I lived for.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, well we hadne is.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yes we did, Yes, we did.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
We definitely had a good one. So now before the show,
you actually said something about about one of the things
that kind of I guess got you started, and a
lot of this stuff was you've had a or more
than one UFO experience. Yes.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
So it's interesting actually that we kind of brought up
the whole hunt for the skin Walker thing because that
book was really inspirational for helping me put a few
pieces together with a lot of my experiences. And I'll
get into that, but you know, I live in Fife, Alabama,

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and there was a time where Fife was like the
UFO capital of the world, or at least the United States,
and like the early eighties or I'm sorry, late eighties,
early nineties, you know, like things were popping off and
going crazy here, you know, cattle mutilations and all kinds
of stuff, like it was all over the news all

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over the newspapers. You know, the Alabama Cattle Association got involved.
They hired a police officer out of Fife name named
ted Oifhan, And I knew like a decent bit of
the history, you know, like, for instance, maybe one thousand

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yards right over there, a UFO touchdown in the pasture.
You know, I saw the ring of no grass growing,
you know when I was a kid and played in
it practically, And maybe there's some residual effects or something.
I don't know. Radiation is probably not healthy, but whatever,
but you know, it got crazy here and you know,

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and and actually that book is the book that uh,
you know, let me know about his name for me
to be able to do some more research, because you
know that it was always a thing that was interesting
for me and something that I grew up with hearing about.
And then when I got married to my wife, I
had found out kind of a little portion of their

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history with it. You know, they had several cows that
came up mutilated on their property, and you know that
that's interesting, you know for me, like always being interested
in this, it was kind of like, oh, tell me more,
you're tickling my tism. And it turns out that her
father had a crazy experience one night, and so essentially

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what happened with him was he was coming home real
late at night and he was going by his cousin's
house and in the pasture he saw a bright light
out there, and his first thought was, oh, no, because
his tractor is broke down. I need to stop go
out there see if he needs some help, you know,
see if I need you to go get that up

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or whatever. And he starts going out there and he realizes, no,
it's not a tractor at all. It's just a big
ball of light in the field, you know. And all
this stuff is on the news and everything's going on
with all that, and his words to me was, how
many times in life do you get to see a UFO?

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That's a great point? Would you do? He's like, oh,
I just walked right up to it, he said, I
reached out to touch that thing, and as soon as
I was about to touch it, just millimeters away shot
out a beam of light hit him in the forehead
and he knew nothing. He woke up the next morning
in the pasture scared out of his mind. What yeah,

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And I was like, whoa well would you do? After that? Like,
what do you do after that happens. He's like, well,
I'll tell you what. I'm not going to go see
a shrink and have some hypnotic regression because if there's
anything there, I think I don't want to remember it.
But his answer actually was to go and talk to

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his father about it, and his dad basically you know,
you know, he listened to him very well and was
real atentive. I mean, he was a great man, my
grandfather in law. I love him to death. He was
the best of people. I mean, I love that man.
But his words to his son was essentially, I'm sorry

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that happens. I really hate it for you. I'd take
it back if I could, but I can't. But what
I can do is I will go and fix it
for you, you know, And that kind of confused him. He's like, Okay, look,
you're my dad. You're a superhero to me. I get it.

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How on earth can you fix this? That makes no sense?
He's like, just just trust me, I'll get it handled.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Now.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
His father was a very very very important person in
the military. He had his own helicopter crew that flew
him back and forth between like Aniston Army depot and
Redstone Arsenal all the time, like multiple times a day.

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He's very very high up, or was. And it's interesting because,
like when you look at the official timeline of all
the events in Fife, you know, this is where things
begin to change from people seeing UFOs to people seeing
black unmarked helicopters. And you know, he had like a

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special schedule and stuff like that, and you tell people like, hey,
don't go to the farm on this day or wild
rather this night because Army slash Military is gonna be
out there. They're going to be doing reconnaissance missions inpultations.
And sure enough that was the case. That was the case.
And it's very interesting because when you look at the timeline,

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like the official timeline, when it changes, all kind of
craziness starts happening with black unmarked helicopters and it just
gets really really insane. And I'm not saying that he
was the one that necessarily was piloting them or doing

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something with it, but he was high ranking enough to
be like, hey, look guys, there's issues going on here.
Let's try to get ahead of it, do what we
can to fix whatever we can fix, you know, And
that's essentially what happened. I mean, there's a lot more
to it, and I break it down a lot more
on my channel, but you know, time being what it is.

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I mean, that's the short version, and it's it's what
you know, what I came to learn and have in
my head on the night that I had my own experience.
So gonta get into that?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yes, absolutely, all right, as it is it the summer
of twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yes, yeah, that's what I want to.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Hear, I figured, all right, So needless to say, like
I said, I've always been interested in this stuff, you know,
and every time I could find anything to consume about it,
I would. And one point in time, I heard a
very interesting episode of Joe Rogan Experience where doctor Stephen

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Greer came on and he was talking about this thing
called E five mm hmm, and I ate it up. Man,
I was like, Wow, this sounds super hippie dippy, sounding
like this guy makes me feel kind of bindy when
I think about it and talk about it and the

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Space Brothers, you know, I get pretty big. But you know,
at the same time, I was like, I can't deny
the results that he's having from it, though, right, Yeah,
So it's like, okay, well, I'm going to college at
this time, you know, full time night and day classes.
The wife just graduated. She's a nurse on night shift.

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So it's like, I ain't got nothing else going on.
It's either try the CE five stuff or go in
the driveway, have a little fire and get drunk with
my dog and pet raccoons.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Oh, I was like, all right, I'll try this stuff out.
And you know, it was weird because like I didn't
really have the app the time, and I didn't have
walkie talkies to play the broadcast signals and all that.
But I did try like his like get guided meditation stuff,
and I found it to be very easy for me

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once he quit talking, because his voice was extremely distracting.
But once he quit talking, I felt like I was
able to, you know, essentially just blast off, you know.
I would guess you'd call it astral projection or something like.
I don't know, I don't I don't know how that works.
I don't know the terminologies. But you know, I was

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able to make contact, or at least it felt like contact,
you know, And I did it for multiple nights in
a row. Because after the first night, I was like, Wow,
that was so interesting, Let's keep going. And you know,
each time I would remember portions of it, and even
some of them, I would remember almost next to nothing

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about it, but I knew that time had been spent,
and you know, I would always just questioning it, like
is this real? Or do I just have too vivid
of an imagination? Like you know, I didn't really know
what to think about it all. I don't have anything
physical to prove to me what just happened, So I

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just choked it up as meh, neat, We'll just keep
on doing it until I get bored with it and
it's time to go hang out with the coons again, right,
And I remember the wife's work schedule was changing. She
was going to go on to day shift now, so
she came home and this would have been like the

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fifth night. I think, maybe yeah, fifth night, But you know,
I didn't do the C five that night because she
was home. I didn't want her to get all bendy
thinking about me. And uh, we're sleep and then all
of a sudden we both get woken up by something
that is essentially right side or right outside of our window.

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And this noise was just insane it sounded like some
kind of critters fighting. I don't know, maybe like two
coons or like Tasmanian devils or something. But it was
just the craziest, screechy, rary thing that I've ever heard.

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I mean, we're just out of ab or we're in
a dead sleep, and all a sudden, it's like, whoa
what in the world? You know. And to be fair,
like my outside dog, that dog was fearless and loved
to kill stuff, like she bring animals all the time
to us. She's fearless, she's a cow dogs, she's not

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afraid nothing. She chased coyotes for fun.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
But you know, that was like our first thought was, Oh, no,
the dog's after something, Go go get her. I'm like, yeah,
I need to do that, because you know, I'm thinking
about my coons. I'm like, well, she's never bothered them,
but I sure would hate for her to kill the
little ones. So I was like, Okay, well I'll go
outside and check it out, you know. And I get
out and there's nothing right there at the window at all.

(29:12):
I'm like, hmm, this is odd. Okay, So I start
walking around the property and I'm calling the dog and
it's just nothing. You know, there's not a sound anywhere.
And I probably do it for ten fifteen minutes, and
I'm like, I can't find the dog. I can't find

(29:33):
whatever it's fighting. I can't find anything. I don't even
hear a cricket chirping right now, you know, summertime in Alabama.
That should have been my very first clue of hey,
something's up.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, exactly, No crickets, nothing like at my house it's
crickets and it's a frogs. You can hear frogs.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Oh yeah, yeah that in the cicadas.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Right yess like crazy.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
But I was like, man, I don't know. So I
don't know what I'm supposed to do besides go back
to bed and hope for the best. So I go
back in, laid back down. The wife's like, did you
get a hand. I'm like, yeah, took care of it.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It's good, it's good.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Oh good, baby, got it. I'm a ding' go man.
So she's like, all right, you know, we laid back down,
we're back to sleep, because you know, it's like three
three something in the morning at this point, and I
don't know if we really did make it back to sleep.

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I mean, if we if we did. It was just
so short of a time. And then it just kicks
up again right outside the window, and this time she's pissed,
I mean, and she starts beating on me and she's
enunciating every single word with the punch. Go outside, get

(31:03):
that dog. I got to sleep. I'm just like, okay, okay, okay,
I'm not coming in until I get the dog. It's okay, chill.
This time, I get on my house shoes and I
get on or I get my next tech flashlight led

(31:27):
fully charged. I'm like, yeah, me, the shoes, the light,
and my boxer's my favorite silk pair of boxers. It's
all I need. And I'm going to handle this.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
You got this dog, yep, yep, about to whoop this
dog's head hard. Ohating, it's fixing the git.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Hopefully at least half of what you just got.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Right, Hopefully it was hurting pretty good. She's strong, she's
rede she's pretty mean.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
But so I go out there and I'm doing the
exact same thing. You know, I'm walking around everywhere. I've
got the flashlight going trying to find eyeshine, you know,
And that's still the same situation. There's nothing. I check
in all the buildings around, all the equipment, you know.

(32:26):
I even walked into the pasture a good little ways
and there's nothing. Nothing nowhere, dead, silent. So I'm just like,
you know, and it's another fifteen minutes or so past,
and I'm just like, what am I going to do?
I can't find the dog, I can't find whatever demon

(32:50):
spawn is making that racket outside of my window, Like
what's going on? Like I don't get you know, And
I'm just finally I just give up again. I'm like,
there's nothing out here. I don't know, So I've accepted defeat.

(33:15):
I'm getting ready to eat the beating that might happen again,
and I just start walking back in. I'm just like, Okay,
I guess this is it, you know. And as I'm
going around the corner to the trailer, I notice that
straight in front of me, right above the tree line

(33:38):
is a light in the sky. And it's three four
hundred feet or so above the tree line, you know,
and it's about from my perspective, baseballish size, softballish maybe,
And you know, it's all a warm white is the
best way I know to describe it, color wise, like

(33:58):
as in like light bulb. You know, it's borderline orange,
but it's not quite there, but it's it's just it's
not very far above the tree line at all. And
as soon as I see that, you know, like all
the stories that I know that happened, like to her father,
and all the stuff that happened on this property, you know,
it comes flooding back into my mind, and I'm just like,

(34:20):
oh no, you know, and I'm thinking about the five
stuff I did the other like last night and the
night before and the night before night before.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm just like, uh oh.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I was like, oh no, And I remember saying out loud,
like looking at thing, like look, I don't know what
you are, but I know that I want no part
of you tonight, you know. And oh, grand and Barrett
go and finish walking around and go to turn into
the door itself, and in the process of doing so,

(34:56):
I make the worst mistake of my life and I
shine the flashlight up the driveway and at the end
of the driveway, in the dirt road, there is a
figure that is standing there. And this thing is blacker
than the blackest black is the best way I know

(35:18):
to describe it. It's like seven eight foot tall. I mean,
it's huge. And the weird thing about it is like,
granted I don't have a spotlight, I have a floodlight,
but it is lighting up everything around it enough for
me to be able to make out its entire shape

(35:40):
and even like three D like volume, I guess you
would say of it like I can tell the depth
of its face and head and all of that. But
yet it's like absorbing all the light and it's just
the pitch just pitch black, and this thing it's just
standing there and I am frozen, you know, in fear.

(36:06):
I'm just the flashlight on, just like jawl on the floor,
like oh my god, you know. And I guess it
realizes that everything around it is lit up, so it
turns its head to look at me, and its eyes

(36:27):
are reflecting back the light at me. You know, I
see it make the facial expression, you know, its eyes
go wide like in surprise, like oh crap, it sees me.
And this thing turns and runs up the dirt road.
And you know, from my perspective following this thing as
it's running, I can see a good I don't know,

(36:49):
two three hundred feet or so, but it clears this
distance and flash. I mean it's just boom boom boom,
and it's gone. And once it, you know, is gone,
is when I snap out of that fear. I'm like, oh,
get in the house, you know, r into the house, and.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
All right.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Suffice it to say that I am scared out of
my mind, Like I don't know what to make of
what I just saw, but I am terrified. However, here
in Alabama, when something scares of, our first reaction is
to get the gun.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Pew time, yes time, Yes, A really good at that. Yeah,
I had pewpew time today before I came over here.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, so that's what I did. I got my M
nine out. I have all seventeen rounds, nine milimeters one
hundred and forty seven grain spear gold dot, and I
am just trained in front of the door, you know,
and I am waiting for any noise at all, Like
I don't care what it is. I am gonna empty

(38:10):
all seventeen rounds through the wall at this thing. That
is all I know. That is how scared that I am.
And I don't know how long I'm staying in there,
but it felt like forever. And then out of nowhere,

(38:31):
I hear a voice in my head. You know, it
feels like it's you know, from up here, but yet
somehow projecting here and yet all around me, like it's
mind speak, right, h. I don't know the best way
to describe it, to make it as visceral for people,

(38:52):
But if you guys know what I'm talking about, then
I probably don't have to explain much, but especially if
you've experienced it. But you know it's it's the strangest
voice I've ever heard. You know, I can't differentiate male
or female. It's very ambiguous, I guess. But it's also

(39:12):
like so sinister and terrifying, like I don't know, but
it basically tells me, well not basically, I mean exact
quote from it is, if I wanted to kill you,
you would already be dead. Go back to sleep now, wow, yeah,

(39:39):
and go ahead.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I was just saying, whoa that that? Mmm? I don't know.
I mean, even being told that, it would still be
hard to do. It'd be scared, and I'd be scared
to do. Yeah. I think I would scare me more
than the figure I'm watching your sleep. I could accuse
you already. Yeah, you know that would just scare me
more than everything previous. But go ahead, yeah, go ahead. Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
And you know, once it said that to me though,
like once again, I don't know how to explain it,
but I am no longer in control of my own body.
I'm essentially a robot and I have no control. Like

(40:29):
I'm I'm a prisoner in my own brain. I start,
I take the gun, I take the magazine out, put
it over here, rap the slide, pop the bullet out,
set everything down on the couch, and start walking towards
the bedroom. You know. And like I said, though I'm conscious,
I'm in my own head, I'm screaming at myself. Stop. Stop.

(40:49):
You can't do this. You've got to stay there and
protect everybody. You're the only person that's awake. You can't leave,
you know. And it's just I'm doing all that I
can to try and make myself stop, but I can't.
You know, I don't have control. It's fully got me possessed,

(41:11):
for lack of a better word. Right, So you know,
in hindsight, my my buddy Tom brought this up to
me saying that you know, it's it's threat of if
it wanted to kill you, you kill you. You know in
that moment, if it had full control of over my body,
what was to stop it from making me instead of

(41:33):
taking the gun apart? Just going like that?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yep, yep, you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely yep.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
And like I said, I'm just screaming at myself from
within my own head until I get into the bed
and I lay down, and then I'm out like a light.
Next thing I know, it's the next morning and I
got to go to school. My alarm's going off.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Wow, yep.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
The bad thing about the bad thing about that is
is that you don't know if you have missing time
after that because you went to bed.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know, but
you know, I do know that Like when I woke up,
I mean it was like instant panic, you know, all
the emotions and fear just came on like a flood,
you know, like it never stopped. It was like, oh
my god, what's going on? Where's it at? Where am

(42:32):
I at?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
I got a pee?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
You know?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
That was that was my first thoughts when I woke up.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So it's like a pause button was unhit and play
was hit again, and you could you could resume your life.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Now yep, yep. Yeah, it was just like that.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's insane. Have you had anything like that happened since?

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, sort of not I to that extent. Ever, I
mean after this event, you know, I started developing sleep paralysis,
which you know, that's that's never been a thing for
me ever before this.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
You need some regression therapy. I bet something in there
is going on.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah, maybe who knows?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Sleep paralysis?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, Yeah, the sleep paralysis episodes are pretty interesting. You know,
I've had multiple. Some of them were just absolutely terrifying.
You know, it's just, uh, it kind of runs the gambit,
you know. And after this too, like I start having

(43:47):
experiences with shadow figures. And granted none of them are
you know, the eight foot thing that I see in
the driveway. You know, they all look fairly man size,
with the exception of one that was really small. I
don't know what to make of that one. But they

(44:08):
were all manish size, you know, probably six foot or so,
probably a little more. And yeah, they they get a
little little handsy. I've had one that uh touched me
on my back and it burnt, burnt a handprint onto
my shoulder blade for like a month.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, so I mean, it got uh, it got pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
I saw plenty of those things. Shoot, we had plenty
of UFO sidings, like even in broad daylight. Even after
that that started happening, you know, my life became a
bit of a side show, you know, like everything under
the sun I had experienced after this, you know, like
from aliens and UFOs to dog Man of all things,

(44:58):
you know, and it's like, what am I supposed to
make of this? You know? I mean, and to be
fair also, I mean, I started having some extremely vivid,
vivid dreams, and even in one of them, the very
first entity that I talked to on my very first

(45:18):
CE five session came back to talk to me and
wanted me to do something for it, like give like
it gave me a job slash mission.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Wow. Yeah, So it was.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
It was crazy, man, it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Did you do it? Did you do?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (45:37):
No? Yes? And no.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
So what that thing talked to me about when I
was talking to it was it was essentially you know,
like like I said, the first one. So I had
a lot of questions, and I remember one of the
talks that we had was about the path that humans
are on right now, and I was like, you know,

(46:00):
a lot of things are going down with AI right now.
It's looking like eventually they were going to merge with that.
What do you think would you guys?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (46:08):
And it was It's what it told me was that's
essentially a terrible idea. You guys don't need to merge
with machines. That would be awful. But what you do
need to do is play with your genetics and make
the best humans that you possibly can.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Oh okay. Interesting. And it told me, you know, like
what it thought would be good ideas and easily doable,
you know. But when it came back to me in
a dream, it laid out exactly what to do. It
was like, look, what I want you to do is
write a book. I was like, okay, I'm not a

(46:49):
good writer, but I can probably do that. I said, Okay,
here's what you do. You do a science fiction book,
make it most apocalyptic, and you need to play on
like certain tropes and stuff that like your millennial generation
loves so much. It was like, do this, do that?
Design your characters like this? Design the human the genetically

(47:11):
engineered humans like this. It enters the body through a
virus that is man made, YadA YadA, you know it
like it played out the entire book in one dream. Wow, listen,
do this, do that. This is how it goes. And
and then after that was over, it was like, this

(47:32):
is the marketing strategy. This is how you market it.
This is how you do this. I'm like, wow, okay,
that's that's a lot. That's a lot. I'm like, look,
I'm not a good writer. Are you really sure you
want me to do this? He's like, look, don't worry
about it. It'll be fine. Once you get into flow state,

(47:54):
everything will be okay. But here's the thing. You're gonna
make line of money doing this. I can promise you.
As long as you follow the steps, you'll make your money.
Don't worry about it. But you only need to influence
one person. If you can get that one person influence
to be able to carry this out, then you've accomplished

(48:17):
your mission. WHOA Okay, Well, I mean to be fair,
it was a great movie that it played in my head.
I was like, wow, yeah, I pay to read that book.
That's pretty cool. Let's do that. You know, And this
is before I was a Christian, Like, when all this
stuff happens, I mean, this rocked my faith entirely, like bad.

(48:41):
I was not a good dude at this time, you know.
So I was like, Okay, Space Daddy wants me to
make a awesome book. Let's do it, you know. And I
wrote the book. I really did. It's probably still sitting
in my Google docs now. But once I got it finished,
that's when that's when things kind of started changing for me.

(49:04):
You know, like things kept happening, and things kept happening.
It was never a good time. I mean, being woken
up and being in sleep paralysis and things messing with
you is never fun, you know. And I was just
like all these troubles started with that. I don't know

(49:28):
that this is good, Like why would I wanna help
these things out? Like, you know, is it the same
one that even came and visited me that night at
the driveway, Like, I don't know, it looks very similar,
but I can't say exactly because it was cloaked. I
was just like, you know, things just start adding up

(49:52):
because Okay, if you, if you really truly want the
best for humanity, why would you be all smoking mirrors
and cloak and dagger about it? You know, why would
you invade someone's privacy of their dreams even and try
to manipulate them into doing something like this isn't adding up,

(50:17):
you know. And my background is Christian, you know, and
I still listen to like a Christian podcast about this
kind of stuff, and he is like still a big
influence on me, you know, and I'm listening and I'm
just like, you know what, I think he's got a

(50:38):
point here, and maybe if I start trying to turn
my life around. Don't do what these things want me
to do, but if I start turning my life around,
maybe things will change for me a little bit, you know.
So I start to do that, and you know, I'm

(51:03):
having a lot of success at it. You know, I've
not been bothered at at all for a good while
at this point. You know, I'm doing my best to
be a good Christian and live my life for the Lord,
changing all my bad habits and just trying to just
you know, talk the talk and walk the walk and
do what's right. And like I said, nothing has really

(51:26):
happened for a while at this point, and I'm like, well, great,
I think I think things have turned around for me.
You know, I'm not so worried about these things anymore,
and you know, my daughter is born, and nothing has
calm after either of us anymore at this point, and
I'm just like, awesome, okay, cool, we're good. We're good.

(51:47):
But then randomly, one morning this changes. I wake up
for the very first time at this point by maybe
a year or two in sleep route, you know, and
I'm like, yeah, I'm frozen in fear again, because there's
something in front of me, you know, And I'm kind

(52:09):
of discombobulated too, because like you woke up, and it's like,
all of a sudden, there's there's an entity right here
in my face, right and it looks like an alien
for lack of a better word, but it's also kind
of ethereal and wispy and almost like a ghost like manner,

(52:30):
I guess you would say. And it's it's right in
front of my face, maybe six inches away, and it's
just jeering at me, like it's just laughing at me,
you know. And I can't hear anything, which is probably
good at this point, but I just get the overwhelming
feeling that this thing is just laughing at me, like, oh,

(52:53):
I got you. You thought you were good, but I
got you. I got you this time you know, and
I'm just like, oh no, what am I supposed to do?
I was like, oh god, oh god, oh god. I'm like, okay, okay,
just chill out. It's okay, it's okay. And then, you know,

(53:16):
before I can like think more about it, you know,
the thought pops into my head of oh no, my
daughter's in the bed with me. You know, she's sleeping.
It's summer break for her. And as soon as that
thought enters my head, this thing smile on its face
just gets even bigger, like a chest Shire cat, and

(53:40):
it's like, oh oh. And then it turns its head
and looks up my sleeping daughter, and then it looks
back at me, and it's it's mouth gets even bigger.
I don't know how, but I mean I see this
thing's mouth and its teeth just looks like sharp teeth
inside its head, and it's just like, oh, yeah, guess

(54:03):
what I'm about to go do. And then it just
as it's floating here, it just floats to the side
and starts getting in her face. And you know, this
is like when true panic kicks in for me, because
you know, mess with me all you want to, but
don't mess with my kid. You know, that's that's unforgivable.

(54:26):
You cannot do that. So that that's you know, panic
inducing for me. And this is you know what. I'm like, Okay,
wait a second, I can't move, but my brain's turned on.
I'm like, let's just pray, you know. So I started praying.
I'm like, hey, Jesus man, like I really need you, bro,

(54:49):
like I really really really need you. Like this was
all supposed to be done. I don't know what happened
is things here, but I need to just protect my daughter.
Please please give me the power to help and protect her.
And as soon as I say that, the paralysis breaks

(55:10):
and I can move and it's like I know it instantly.
It's like a light switch is just splited, you know.
And at this point I am angry. I am not scared.
I am furious at this thing. I reach over there
and I grab this thing by the wrist and yank
it away from her and then basically hold it all

(55:32):
the way to the other side of the bed, you know,
and it's in the in the floor and it looks
up at me like what in the world, Like it's
just in shock, like what just happened? And I'm holding
on to it by the wrist, and I start screaming
in its face over and over, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. I'm

(55:53):
not saying anything else. I'm just saying the name of
Jesus over and over. And this thing I was sudden
starts to rise in agony like it just like it
wants to rip its own flesh off. And then once again,
like a switch, it disappears and my you know, my

(56:13):
hand that was holding the wrist collapses. There's no there's
nothing there, no more m I'm just like, oh, well
that worked.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do in this situation. Now,
this is new.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
I looked over at my daughter and she's like wide awake,
like what's going on. I'm like, hey, you okay. She's
like uh huh or hear anything. She's like, just you
yelling at something, Daddy.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
It's like, what happened?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I'm like, okay, do you think.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
That first that first time you did the CE five
you opened yourself up to this all the stuff that
that's happened.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
That's the same question I go to ask.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
As far as I'm concerned. Now, granted, guys, I'm not
going to beat anybody over the head with the Bible
and try to force my beliefs on anybody. You know,
take it or leave it, I don't care. But my opinion,
when you do something like CE five, you're initiating contact, right,

(57:34):
you are giving over permission for whatever said entity that
wants to make contact with you to come in and
do that. When you're not like specific about it, I
guess like the as far as that stuff goes, I mean,
the door is basically wide open for it to do
whatever the heck it wants to, and whatever is out
there listening is like, yeah, I'll get on on on that.

(57:56):
I'll get on on that. Like yeah, yeah, I mean
you're you've initiated contact. You've given up permission. You know.
It's like opening the door to the vampire and saying, yeah,
come in, come in, You're good, I don't got no garlic,
come on, and then everything comes in.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah. Right. You know, the same thing happens in devination
and things like that. You know, when you do any
type of devnation, so use a wija board, anything of
those of those natures, it's the same thing. Right, you

(58:32):
have to set boundaries when you use these tools. Because
if you don't set these boundaries before you use these tools,
then it does the same thing. It opens this up.
It opens you up to these things coming in. But
it also if you don't close these things properly at
the end of it, then it keeps that door open.

(58:56):
So it's not only opening it to talk to something,
but it's knowing how to close it at the end
of it. And uh and and you know, if he
doesn't have a clear way of closing these things that
he's got these thousands upon thousands of people opening these

(59:17):
portals up, there's no telling what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah. So I mean, like for me and what I
tell my folks, uh C five is a bad hot No,
I don't suggest doing that. Don't don't make my mistakes,
you know, you know, And and be careful about the
things you say, like I mean, shoot, how many times
do we got to hear people given the cautionary tale
of uh, be careful what you wish for mm hmm, Like, oh,

(59:45):
I sure would love to see that. It's cool. And
so you see dog Man right there right, it's like, oh, no,
is this about to go south? You know, like m
hm ya gotta be careful. Gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yep, yep, absolutely, and uh, you know when it comes
to anything as far as the paranormal go, so I mean,
dog Man, Bigfoot, It doesn't matter what it is, you know,
Like you said, be very mindful and careful about what
you wish for, because if you get it, you may
not be as happy about it at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
So oh yeah, I didn't even welcome Matt on my
front door anymore's welcome in my house?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Well, we we we we saved our house. Pretty often.
We push, we push things out. What's funny is when
I used to do long haul trucking when my wife,
my wife and I both used to team drive about
five years and then she came off the road and
so I was still just long haul trucking by myself.

(01:00:49):
And uh, people usually thought I was crazy. But when
I would come home, I could tell walking through my
door if my wife had saged the house before I
had come in. And it wasn't that I could smell
the sage because usually it was done a day or
so before I come home. It's hard to explain if

(01:01:15):
it's something that most people don't do or they're not
in that era in their spirituality at all, because you know,
my whole life, I've seen ghosts. So I was born
seeing ghosts. Three years old I first started seeing ghosts,
and I have seen on my whole life, and and

(01:01:37):
so but I would walk through the door and it
would seem like everything that was on me went away
right completely, just went away, like work, all the stuff

(01:02:00):
of being a truck driver and all the crazy stuff
you see and and have to deal with all week.
As soon as I walked in the door, it just
it was just like there's something there that just went
whoop and just swiped it right off of me. And
I could literally feel getting lighter mm hm. And and
it's a it's a crazy feeling, but yeah, but but

(01:02:22):
it really works.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Interesting. You know, it's interesting that you say it like that, because,
like I mean, think about it. Whenever you're like in
the presence of you know, I don't care fill in
the blank, of whatever the entity is, of whatever flavor
you can tell like you can feel it in the
atmosphere like you can just cut through it with a knife.

(01:02:45):
The air is so heavy and thick. It's very very interesting.
You know, it doesn't matter if it's aliens, big foot,
dog Man, ghostesses, whatever. You know, it's always heavy and
it's almost like it's just charged with attic almost. It's
very very interesting. Have you guys noticed that too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yes, okay, yes, absolutely, yeah. I'll tell you something too,
is is uh you was kind of hitting on it
a few times tonight. But there's a lot of people
that you know, believe a lot of this stuff is connected.
Oh yeah, you know. Uh, and in one way or another,

(01:03:25):
you know, they're they're trying to find the the thread
that that a common thread. I guess that that goes
through the paranormal, through Bigfoot, through UFOs and aliens and
abductions and all of this stuff that there that there's
something that that interconnects all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean it has to be,
because if not, then I should have been struck by lightning.
I don't know a couple of times because Adan's dog Man,
shadow people, Bigfoot, heck Giant Spider at this point, like
what John, Yeah, one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Two obic My wife is a rack obic is hecked.
But yes, I need to hear this story. Okay, all right,
because I'm the Lord of the Rings fan, So I mean,
not that big, not that big. Okay, okay, okay, but.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
No, actually, because after like my stuff happened there with
the alien in the driveway, you know, it didn't take
very long for us to move off the wife's family
property and out of Dawson, Alabama. But before we could,
I was getting into the car one morning and I
was fixing to go to school and I look across

(01:04:37):
the driveway because something was moving on the tree that
caught my attention, and my brain just said, squirrel. Okay, nothing,
It's just a squirrel shaking its tail. So I start
walking closer and closer to the car to get in it.
And the shaking of the tail, at least what I'm

(01:04:59):
interpreting is a hill stops and I see like a
shape just rush down the trunk of the tree and
go into the middle of the dirt road. And as
an interesting aside, it actually did stand exactly where the
alien was at. But anyway, so the shape moves into it,

(01:05:21):
and I'm just like, that's not a squirrel, what the heck?
And there is a giant spider in the dirt road,
and you know it's got four legs forward, four legs back.
I mean, it's classic spider, only the problem is this
thing is the size of my car tire. Oh it's

(01:05:45):
not the size of the rim, I mean rim plus tire.
This thing is like this big round and I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
What, And.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Of course, in classic Alabama fashion, I ease the door open,
keeping my eye on this thing and reach for the
nine milimeters. I'm like, oh, I'm about to have proof
of you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
As soon as I'm pulling this thing out, runs into
the grass and is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Oh man, Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
I wasn't happy. I was like, no, I was gonna
put you in the freezer. You to keep it on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
You'd have been a billionaire.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
I mean because you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Think I've seen one about half that size.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I was working on a barge terminal Aaron Loudon, and
I was pressure washing the deck of the terminal and
there's a pole that goes down in the water, but
it's open on the end, so I'm pressure washing down
in there. My lord, this biggest spider I've ever seen
crowded at that hole.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Uh it was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I'd say it was maybe that big biggest, biggest one
I ever seen. Yeah, scared me to death.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
My wife would have died right there, literally it was furry.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Is I went on like
a a little bit of a small side quest after that.
I was like, I didn't know spiders got that big here.
I was like, okay, I've got to figure this out,
because you know, before all this, like my wife and
I and her family are well, her mother with us,
Like we owned a pet store. Like I've sold goliath

(01:07:42):
bird eating spiders. I know what those look like. I
know what like a bunch of tarangelis and stuff looked like.
I'm like, this thing doesn't look anything like what I've seen,
because I saw it full on the daylight. You know,
it's like a charcoally black and gray color, like intermixed
with those two with stripes down its leg that were

(01:08:02):
like almost like an orange to like a burnt orange
kind of color, almost kind of fading into like grays.
I'm like, that doesn't look like any tarantula that I
know about. And I do all the searching that I
can find, and I don't remember if it was like
maybe an episode of Monster Quest or just something on

(01:08:24):
that GEO or something, but they were talking about giant
spiders and they were saying that in America, the biggest
spider that we know about is the uh black water spider,
I believe, they said, and they're like, you know, it
gets really big, gets about the sides of your hand,
and then once it reaches the size, it leaves the

(01:08:46):
water and goes into the canopy and from there we
don't know how big they get because there's nobody with
enough research or funding or even just want to to
go up there and explore. As this thing starts munching
on birds and things and they have no idea, you know.
And I'm just like, oh, okay, well they gave me

(01:09:07):
the disclaimer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
It's up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Black water spider problems solved, you know. But then again,
you know, once I kind of heard like the whole
chalk saw creation myth and the spider stuff with that,
and it's just like, oh wait a second, that's uh,
maybe that's not natural after all. Like I don't know,
I really don't have a clue. I just know that

(01:09:30):
thing was big, and I did not want to pat it.
I wanted to end it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
You're gone, I know, you know, growing up, we moved
from Tennessee here to Texas when I was a kid,
and we lived out West Texas. Well, there's a couple
of times a year. Well one time of year, I think,
is what it is that they have like a migration.
And these are, you know, big tarantulas. I mean these

(01:10:00):
things probably that big. Uh, but there'll be so many
of them crossing the street that you can't see the asphalt,
like hundreds of thousands of these things. And uh yeah,
I mean it's any nightmare anyone ever has had of

(01:10:22):
of these things killing them and crawling all over them. Yeah,
you could. You could find it out there. And I
mean as a kid, you know, I always bowl hunted
and uh. I used to do a lot of recurve
and stuff from the time I was like nine, and
that was my thing to do. I went out, there
wasn't jack rabbit hunting. I'd go out and and uh

(01:10:43):
and and kill freaking big old huge spiders and throw
them in the burning barrel. And that's that's just what
I did for fun. But now when by I had
an aunt that came down to Texas to visit us,

(01:11:04):
and it was hilarious. She went out to the back porch,
I guess the smoke or do something. I guess it
was smoking or something, and one of those big old
tarantulas was sitting on the step. She was screaming. She
took a broom and started beating this thing and it
just ran off. And she's like, no way. Can you
hit a spider that many times and did not die?

(01:11:26):
She's like, I'm moving back to Tennessee. Yeah, it was
just week. I seen Kyudie whatever his name is, with
a couple of tarantulas going to bid him and when
he grabbed that one, and it was probably a good size,
probably like it, it was so strong that he couldn't

(01:11:49):
control it in his hand. That's how strong them things are. Yeah,
it's pretty wild. There's no way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I when we the pet store thing then, yeah, I
hated selling tarantulas because I swear it was already be
like these like ten year old snotty kids. Is the
spider friendly? Yeah, it's pretty nice. Do you pick it up?

(01:12:18):
Are you gonna buy it? If it's friendly?

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Came hear your little devil bug?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Look you can hold it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
I hate it. I hate it. But the good news
is like whenever you are holding you know one like
that from that side, like from that height, if you
just flip your hand over and drop it, they will
break in half and die so really, Yeah, that's not
the big deal in the world. You know, if ever
that thing got a little bit kind of squirrely on me,
I'd just be like, whoop bye bye, oops bye bye,

(01:12:59):
and I'm a stomp it ah die.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yeah, my wife has made any that that decided to
invade the inside of the house.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
There they've got Oh man, my daughter and kids are
afraid of will fly. Every time we had a spider
in the shower, I man, it was. It was a
pretty good spider of a little wolf out spider. It
was on the curtain. He wouldn't go in there for
three days after I done killed it and everything. He said,

(01:13:32):
I'm not going in there. My wife would burn the
house down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah, I told him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Every time he walks because it's our bathroom for the bedroom,
you know, and every time that's where he goes to
take a shower. Uh, every time he walked in there,
I'd be sitting on the bed and I'd say watch
a spider, and he'd come running right back out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
That's me, that's mean. I know, it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
I'd do it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
I do so so uh yeah, let's talk some big
Let's talk some enigma.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
The Smokies.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Yes, Enigma and the Smokies.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Yes, yeah, right, let's talk about that for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Sure, sure, I'd be happy to. Uh So that is
the very first documentary thing that I've put out through
my own personal channel, you know, And guys, go check
it out if you want to watch it the night's
watch and if you also want to hear, like, you know,
more of my stories, Like I think there's nine to
ten hours worth of all of my stuff documented in

(01:14:39):
all the detail, So you know, feel free to go
check it out after you've liked and subscribed to Paranormal
for one and you're done hanging out with us. But anyways,
so what happened was I just got back from Townsend
basically and filming out there with Relic Film and Greg

(01:15:00):
and Adam and all those guys. So we just got
back and you know, I'm just pulling in the house
and the wife's like, hey, me and some friends from
work are gonna go up to Gatlinburg for a little
long vacation. And you're going, I'm like, okay, I just
got back, but okay, when are we going She's like, ah,

(01:15:23):
two weeks? Okay, sure, why not?

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
And that we have. We have a great time, you know.
But one day they're going to Dollywood. And if there's
one thing that I hate more than spiders, it is
roller coasters. I hate roller coasters, absolutely hate. Yes, I
cannot stand it. Give me a car and let me
do something extremely dangerous at two hundred miles an hour.

(01:15:51):
I'm here for I'll do that all day long. Strap
me into a perfectly safe and calm roller coaster. In comparison,
Oh no, I'm no, it's not good. I don't do that.
I know it doesn't make any sense, but no, I
don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
I just don't like Dollywood.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
That's fair too, that's fair too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they're just an hour away from it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Well, I mean I used to go a lot when
it was Silver Dollar City. You know, it was okay
then they weren't a lot of people, you know, but
now you just can't walk down through the road so
many people.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Right. But uh, you know, like my reward at the
end of the day, whenever I'm forced to go to
an amusement park and be the pack mule all day
is basically like a giant smoke turkey leg. Like that's
all the reward I normally want. However, I have a

(01:16:51):
perfectly good out this time. I'm like, hey, uh, since
work friends are going to be there too, you don't
really need me that day, right, No? I guess not.
I'm like, yay, I get on the phone. I'm like, Harvey, bro,
you want to go out boogering. He's like heck yeah.

(01:17:14):
So I'm like, all right, let's go boogering. So I
go and pick him up and we go out there
and he's telling me all about the history of it
with Scott Carpenter and all that, and I'm just like, wow, cool, Okay,
this is gonna be a fun time at least from
you know, from what I know of that research should
be pretty good. He's like, oh yeah, trust me, dude

(01:17:35):
gets crazy out there. I'm like, okay, I've seen a
lot of crazy. Impress me, you know. So we get
out there, and man, I tell you what, it's almost
like instant like it's not far from the car at
all that we're seeing just you know, tree structures everywhere, footprints,

(01:17:58):
and I'm just like, huh, there actually is a lot
going on out here. I'm like, okay, you know, and
you know, before this time, you know, if I see
a tree structure or an ax or something out there,
I'm like, eh, windfall, you know, bushcraft people, this is nothing.

(01:18:20):
You know that That's what I felt about it, you know.
But as we kept going, you know, things just kept
getting weirder and weirder. Like there'd be prints around the structures.
I mean, there was actually so many prints that we
saw that day I stopped filming them. I'm like, I've
got all the footage in the world of prints. I

(01:18:40):
don't need anymore. But they were all over the place
around these structures. And shoot, we were even having like, yeah,
actually our highest EMF reading of the day came from
withinside a tree structure.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
It was in the high eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Wow, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Yeah. And I was like, okay, there's there's a lot
going on here with this stuff. Like maybe I'm wrong
in my opinion of this, you know, and we really,
you know, we're seeing sign of stuff everywhere, and I'm like, okay, well, okay,

(01:19:22):
this is clearly active. But it'd be super cool if
we could find, you know, something a little bit more here,
more a little bit more furry, if you would, you know,
and we get down to this gully or gulch or holler,

(01:19:42):
whatever you want to refer to it, as you know,
and it's time for us to take a break because
we're ultimately kind of looking for like this cage that's
out there. And as we're sitting down and just kind
of hang out for a bit, the woods become just
e really silent. I mean it's just you could hear

(01:20:05):
a pin drop, and then all of a sudden we
start hearing rock clacking going around all around us, you know,
and we're like, uh oh, I think, uh, I think
there's something here. And the interesting thing too to note about,
you know, like the rock clacking that we were hearing

(01:20:27):
was that, you know, there is so much quartz just
all over this place. I mean it's just everywhere. Every
single rock that I've seen on the ground that you
could easily pick up and do that with was quartz.
M So I'm like, I bet you that's what they're

(01:20:49):
using to clack with. And these things are just starting
to surround us. Or we're like, okay, let's start turning
around the cameras, you know, because I mean it really
was meant to be nothing. We were just gonna just
hang out there and you know, take a break because
we were tired, or at least I'm tired. I'm fat
and old, you know, making me hike this far into
the backwoods with no trails, I'm a little tired, so,

(01:21:14):
you know. But all of a sudden, you know, we're like, okay,
let's turn on things. You know, we start seeing movement
on the ridge line across from us. You know, I
start to see like a face kind of like peeking
out from a tree. Like okay, So I'm turning on
the camera for sure, and I'm focusing right here, and
we caught some really good stuff, you know, Like I

(01:21:38):
intentionally left like that scene as we're like kind of
like glass in that area, intentionally long because I know
that there's more that we weren't even able to pick
out from the footage because we saw I think two
with our eyes right there, you know. And like I said,
there's some stills where I zoom in and everything thing

(01:22:00):
and really show you guys, like what I'm pretty sure
is a big foot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
And even if like those aren't like the fact that
I saw a face do this from behind a tree,
I mean, if I'm by you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Yeah, that's and that's classic bigfoot behavior, you know, that
whole lean out mm hmmm, lean over and look and yeah,
a lot a lot of people I've heard, and you know,
I guess it's all as good as research is. But
a lot of people think that a lot of that

(01:22:37):
stuff is is like if you want to call it
teenagers being interested in trying to see what it is
that the that people are doing, you know, and stuff
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
You mean, like teenagers as in humans.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Isn't no, no, no, isn't the Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
So that's a really dumb human Because I'm from Alabama, bro,
I'm ready to pull out, and I got seventeen rounds
for you. You know, don't don't be messing around like that.
That's a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Yes, yeah, Now, a lot of times they say that
a lot of stuff like that is very possible, that
it's it's just their curiosity and and them being young
and curious and kind of bringing them me in and
stuff like that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Right, But yeah, I mean it's possible because I know that,
you know, the ones that we saw at that time
definitely were smaller. I mean, we weren't seeing you know,
the giants out there at this point in time. I
only saw one at the end of that trip that
was big. These ones, you know, I would say would

(01:23:45):
be at juvenile probably you know, five six foot tall.
But what was interesting is that, like I feel like
they were kind of trying to distract us, while the
other ones that were originally only like kind of clacking
the rocks could get away. And you know, eventually, you know,

(01:24:09):
all the activity died down, you know, and all the
force noises and stuff came back, and that's you know,
the cue of like okay, hey, it's gone. It's time
to you know, finish up the mission. Like we're not
gonna get no more action.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Mm hm.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
You know, we noticed the cage and we're going to
go and check it out. But as soon as we
get up to check it out, all of a sudden,
from the top of the ridge over here, one starts
running through and we see it and it stops like
right before it's about to cross the creek, you know,
and I propped the camera off and I'm doing everything

(01:24:47):
in my power to zoom in and try to catch
this thing. And you know, Harley's got his phone out.
He does the same thing, and his phone was really strange,
like when he zoomed all the way in. It went
straight to pixelation, like his entire screen was pixelated. I
don't know what causes that or or the why. I

(01:25:09):
have no idea. You know, my phone it gets out there,
but it focuses entirely too much on the foliage in
front of this thing, because it's hiding there in the laurels.
And I show basically like the best still of a
silhouette that I find, you know, and essentially, like after

(01:25:31):
that little period of it stopping, it just kind of
fades into the back and then jumps across the law
or across the creek there, and it's like gone. You know,
I'm sitting over here trying to get where I think
it's at, and then it's on this it's gone. I mean,
it doesn't cross the frame anymore. After that, you know,

(01:25:51):
we go over there and look for it or like
sign of it. We find a footprint of this thing
as it kind of slipped its heel sort of into
the creek. Like we get that all on film, and yeah,
I mean it was it was insane, and you know,
I was like, wow, okay, be careful what you wish

(01:26:11):
for because we just saw three you know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Did you figure out what the cage was?

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Uh, the cage is like a small faral hog trap.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Okay, okay, but something pulled that up and brought the
door or ripped it off.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Yep, the door was completely gone and this thing was
standing up on its face, like I don't know. The
point is though, like you can't really get through there,
Like there's no trail. I mean, the only trail that
we used to get down there, Harley had hacked through
like a couple months before with a machete. You know,
there's no access from the highway or anybody's property. There

(01:26:53):
ain't a house for miles. Like, how this cage ended
up there is beyond me. I don't see how anybody
could tote that in. There's just no way. Four wheeler
or something like that. Yeah, sure if you had a trail,
but going through that terrain, I don't see it. There's

(01:27:15):
just no way. Too thick.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Something could it up, Something could have drug it up
from somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
You never know. That's that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
My theory that I thought about it was like essentially
it probably found the cage, carried it down there on
its shoulder like a boom box and set it down
face up like that, so that you know, with just
the small little opening that's right there. There's so many
wild turkeys out there that you know, if it was
out there hunting and caught a wild turkey, throw it

(01:27:48):
in there and it's not getting out. You know, it's
a refrigerator essentially in the woods. You know. It's easier
than McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yea fast food, that's it. Yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
My thoughts on the matter. You know, I mean, who
really knows, I mean, it to be anything.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Right, I mean, well why not? Why wouldn't they use
tools and stuff? Because you know, they've found old what
seemed to be old Native American fish catching techniques, uh
in some creeks and and and and rivers and stuff
where you know, they'll build up to where they have

(01:28:29):
to funnel through a certain area. Then they could you know,
they go into this area and then boom, they could
just catch them. And they've they've found things like that,
you know, and so what else would have the ability
to do that? I mean, not too many people are
going to go out there and go fishing in that way.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
No, it's way easier ways to do that, So I
would waste your.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Time yeah, exactly whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I know that, you know,
my personal opinion on the nature of foot you know,
like when they are here in our reality slash dimension,
you know, you got to obey the laws of physics.
You know, you gotta eat, you gotta go get food.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
I don't think they're here all the time. I think
they can kind of go back and forth between.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
I want to ask you about the WU. How did
you feel about the WU side of things, because we're
we're very WU oriented here, you know. I mean I
believe that, like you said, when they're here. Look, we
got footpt print evidence, we get all this evidence, yes,
and we we've got some DNA evidence. Uh, you know,

(01:29:38):
and but you've got to explain the orbs and the
fact that you could see footprints go out in the
middle of a field and then they just disappear, and
you know these explain these weird things to me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Then yeah, Well, you know, gigantopithec is Blackie is a
really big and smart monkey. Yeah. They're really good at swimming.
That's why they're on every single continent across the world,
even in places where it doesn't make sense like Hawaii,

(01:30:11):
of all places. But they're really smart and they can
jump really good. The footprint that you're looking for is
it's over there, like a thousand feet. They're good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know man the Olympics, right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
I believe, of course, I know David does too, that
they walk in both dimensions.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Like well, there's too many Native and all the Native
American cultures. That's what they talk about. Yeah, they walk
in both worlds, you know, this world and the spirit world.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Agree.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
You know you asked me if I'm on the woo Yeah,
I'm on that train, bro too.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
We are. We're whoo whoop all the way. We'll get
people on the show that are not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Sometimes I like to ask the question and they say, well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Now granted, like you know, when I have people that
come under my show, if they're not on the same
level as me, that's one hundred percent fine. Like like,
if you want to discuss bigfoot in terms of purely
flesh and blood, like I'm with you, Like I can
have that conversation because I started there. You know, I

(01:31:29):
think we all do until we get those questions and
then we're like, oh, one of these things is not
like the other.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
What do you do with that? People? You hear enough, uh,
you know, people's experiences and things like that, and you're like, yeah, there's,
like you said, one of these things are not like
the other. You know, the one thing doesn't belong. So
what's going on here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
I mean, to be fair, I mean, it could be
multiple different things going on too. I'm not I'm not
like Bigfoot is this No, I mean it could be that,
But to be fair, it could also be I don't know,
some kind of government created chimera slash meat suit clone

(01:32:21):
thing that's being possessed by something could be I mean, shoot,
here's something I love to tell aperis just to make
them so mad as what if hear me out, we're
gonna go hunting squirrels right now? Okay, guys, we're hunting squirrels.
What if we take the lore and stuff that is

(01:32:41):
around skin walkers?

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
What happens when you put on the skin of a
human being, If you are a skin walker, do you
look like that person or do you look like something
that is an abomination of what a person is?

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Maybe I don't know, I don't know this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
There could be all kinds of things going on. And
until we have the chance to actually get one of
them and sit down and have a podcast and be like, so,
how's your mom and them? What's up? Until that happens,
we're all kind of speculating. Saying it's up an ape

(01:33:28):
or a RelA commented is no less better than saying
I think this thing is actually inky do from what
the Sumerian mythology talks about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Right, yeah, tell me the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Why is yours better than mine?

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Like mine is backed up by a lot of civilizations
and even the Bible, So suck on that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Right, chok yahoo from the loss.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Yeah yeah, but I mean, hey, they could be really
good swimmers too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
You know, I was really a skeptical even when we
were doing the podcast at fart you know, at the
first when we started doing them, I was I was
skeptical about Bigfoot. Then David had his experience, and I mean,
I have to believe David because he's like my brother.

(01:34:20):
He wouldn't lie to me about it, and that's why
I believe I've never seen one. I've seen all the
evidence on videos and stuff, but myself, I've never seen one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Yeah. My sighting was I mean, it was a road sighting.
So it was pretty fast, but it was amazing at
the same time. Yeah, I mean two to sit there
and you know, have multiple, multiple shows over multiple years,

(01:34:58):
you know, and you talk about again, Patty, and you
talk about, you know, all these bests of the best
that that have happened, and the footprint evidence and all
all that that entails and everything else. You know, you
start to have this you know, if you're sitting on
a fence, you're starting to kind of lean over to

(01:35:18):
the side of Okay, well, this is definitely probably something, right,
I've never experienced it. But then you have all the
anecdotal evidence, you know, all the people's tales from people
who have actually seen these things, all these thousands of
people who are lying. But then yeah, I'm driving eighteen

(01:35:39):
wheeler in Washington State and it's eleven o'clock at night.
I'm on I ninety and the wife is in bed
or you know, in the in bunk sleeping, and you know,
kind of like what you said when you saw the

(01:36:00):
the spider, right, something just said, you know, squirrel right
to you. Well, I'm just driving and like I said,
it's eleven o'clock at night. There's a slight fog Bank,
so about four cars ahead of you. You could probably
make out tail lights. You couldn't see what kind of
vehicle it was, but you could see tail lights and

(01:36:23):
something just kind of haven't I just for some strange
reason looked over to the median, and because of that
I was able to see it come completely across the
interstate and back up the other side, right in front
of me, you know, right there. And it was massive.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
I'll saw fast was going.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
It was so fast, Like I said, that fog Bank
was about four car links ahead of me, you know
that stretch of I nine D I think speed limits
like sixty five miles an hour. And it made it
across the road and three steps three steps across the interstate,

(01:37:12):
so two lanes. It made it all the way across
and was going up the side of the of a
big it wasn't quite a mountain at that right at
that point, but just this big, old, huge hill. It
was already making it up the side of that before
I got to it in the eighteen wheeler as a molehill. Yeah,

(01:37:32):
but it was that fast and massive. I mean, this
thing was just I drove for probably another twenty minutes
trying to rationalize what I just saw. Yep. And it
was at least twenty minutes that I drove trying to

(01:37:54):
rationalize that that was what I just saw. And the
first person, one of our first guests ever on our
show in twenty twelve, was Matt Seber from East Tennessee Bigfoot.
And I grabbed my phone and I text first person
I ever, I texted, I just saw Bigfoot. You know,

(01:38:14):
at eleven o'clock at night that over there was what one, two,
three o'clock in the morning here in East Tennessee. So
but but yeah, I mean, but actually seeing it, seeing
how big he was, I mean I could have pulled
over to the side of the road, I could have
rolled down my window and had a face to face
conversation with you. I mean he was, he was big. Yeah,

(01:38:38):
But it stuck with me ever since because you hear
people talk about how fast these things are, how big
these things are and everything, but when you witness it
firsthand on on the on the way that they can
just I mean, I don't think we have an athlete

(01:39:01):
that would be able to keep up with it. You know,
it's put into words and then you wouldn't ever think
that something that giant could move that fast.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Yep, you know that's the way they are. Man, It's
it's it's so weird, you know. It's it's like the
whole Uncanny Valley thing. Like when you see this stuff,
your your brain just doesn't really know what to do
with it, Like it's the square peg into the round
hole and you're just like it asn't what what? And

(01:39:37):
then the speed on top of that, like these things
are just lightning quick. They go up embankments like it's nothing,
you know, and and still go that fast, and it's
like what what are you see?

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
And it's so fast your brain doesn't even have time
to rationalize it, like it takes time. It takes some time,
and you're just like huh.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Yeah, it's like I know, I just got up. I
know I'm not hallucinating. I know I'm not tired.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Let me ask you this question. Do you think they
pick and choose who sees them?

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Hmm?

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
That is an interesting question. I feel like it's possible.
I feel like I don't know. I guess I would
have to say that it depends entirely on the situation,
you know, because when it comes to the spiritual side

(01:40:41):
of things, you know, like it's all about kind of
like law fair and like lawyers arguing. It's the best
way I know how to put it, Like, you know,
is it going to come and mess with you? Well,
does it have the right to come and mess with you?
It wants to have the right to come and mess
with you, but does it have that right? Are you
sitting there being like I want to see big Finn,

(01:41:02):
I want to see book. I want to see. Then
it's probably gonna happen m hm, assuming that it's there
and assuming that it wants to be messing with you
slash showing itself to you. If it's not there and
doesn't care, then it's not gonna r That's my thought
in like a general sense. But I could also say that,

(01:41:23):
you know, they're also gonna be here and in the
locations that they're at for a reason, And when it
comes to that, it's just gonna be a matter of
the odds, you know, like, Okay, so they're there, they're
hanging out, they're reproducing. Because the chimera that's talked about

(01:41:44):
in the Book of Revelations for the End Time that
wipes out of the third of the entire population of
the world isn't just gonna breed itself, So they gotta
be there. They gotta be here. They gotta be doing
something and reproducing outside where are they gonna do it?
You know, there's a little bit of a logistical problem there.

(01:42:05):
So we look at things like, oh, what's the president
the Truman Doctrine or whatever, a treaty like where he
signed all the stuff with the aliens, right, and they're
able to do all the stuff within the state parks.
Then we think about missing four one one, all these
things that happen in the state parks, and it's like

(01:42:30):
the odds are telling me just looking if at that,
if that is real, they have legal dominion and right
to be there. So if they are there within the
physical realm and they for some odd reason have a
wild hair up their butt to come in and check
you out, then they're going and check you out. Or

(01:42:52):
you can up the odds by making them interested in
being like dad gumut those humans over there shore are
allowed or making a lot of noise. I'm gonna go
check that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Out, right, why is he eating on that stick?

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
So I mean it's kind of a kind of an
either or like multiple different routes and avenues are possible,
and it just depends on the circumstances of the time.
That's the best way I know to put it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Right. Yeah, that's a good answer.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
So I know, I mean, if you call chasing squirrels
a good answer, then.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Yes, squirrel. Uh. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
The one that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Has been harder for me to think about until recently
that I've really started kind of diving more into it
is dog Man, Because that one, for me was like, okay,
you know, at least when you get with Bigfoot, you

(01:43:56):
could say, okay, well, if it is real, right, I mean,
and if it's real and it's here, you could probably
trace it back through ancestry somewhere down the human line
right somewhere, it's a branch somewhere. But dogs, you know,
there's no line that's ever been found of dogs upright

(01:44:22):
and walking ever, not even in prehistoric times or since.
And so that was the one thing that was harder
for me to wrap my mind around. And I mean,
what about you, where are you at on that?

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
I'm on board with what you just said, and I'm
picking up what you're putting down. Brother. I mean, you know,
when you see Bigfoot, it's human esque enough for your
brain to be like, oh, crazy, but I kind of
get it. Then you see the dog man and it's
just like square peg, round hole. It's not going, you know,

(01:45:07):
And so dog Man is. It's a hard one man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
Like, I'm on board with you because I've seen a
dog man, you know, like I've mentioned earlier, I've seen one.
I saw the mine was a roadside encounter two and
I got the thing full on on the high beams.
I saw every single detail of this thing, but it
just the way it was built and plus the weird

(01:45:35):
circumstances that led up to it. You know. Shoot, when
I saw it, I was more mad because I was
listening to a podcast because I just heard about dog
Man like maybe a month ago, and I was deep
diving and trying to do the research. I was literally
literally listening to a podcast about it, and then I
see one on the side of the road. I'm just like,

(01:45:55):
what is my life right now? I'm yelling at this thing,
like what are you doing? How? I listened to you?

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
How?

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm slowing down on the highway as
I'm looking at this thing. You know, I'm probably doing
twenty or thirty by the time I pass it, and
then I realized, oh crap, that's dog Man. Go and
I run like it took time for my brain to
catch up and realize, Hey, dummy, you don't want that

(01:46:30):
thing chasing you. Oh no, I'm with you. Man. Dog
Man is dog Man's weird. And you know, do you
want me to tell my dog Man story?

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
We got time? Yes, yeah, we got.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
All right, So let's see if I can make this
quick formulate thoughts and okay, all right. So I had
just found out about dog Man, and I was one
to learn all I could, you know, because when I
first heard it, I was like, Oh, this is way
more interesting than Sasquatch. Tell me more, tell me more.

(01:47:08):
And I'm listening all across the board to everything I
can find on it. And at night, at the very
last break of our night at work, we all of
a sudden start having this giant wolf dog show up
to our break to hang out with us. And it is,

(01:47:30):
for sure, like you know, for all intensive purposes, a
wolf dog. I thought it was a husky until I
met the owner and we talked to him. You know,
it's a real big dog. It apparently had broken off
the chain of this kid that was riding around town
that late at night with his apparent wolf dog on

(01:47:53):
his bicycle, you know, being a super edge lord or whatever.
And you know, and I should premise that by saying,
like this town is known for like a very large
population of people that are involved with the occult. You know,
I work with a bunch of them too at this time,
and I know they're they're into some weird stuff, you know,

(01:48:16):
and this kid's pretty edgy. So it's like, yeah, one
on one equals to on this situation, like okay, weird stuff.
But turns out it's according to him, this giant what
I think is a husky is actually like sixty six
percent Arctic wolf and then something else I can't remember

(01:48:36):
if it was husky or malemeute or something, but woolf
dog hybrid whatever. So we're like okay, you know, and
it keeps breaking off the chain and coming up to
our work multiple times throughout the week, and you know,
we just hang out, call the owner because it apparently
is wearing a collar with a tag on it, and

(01:48:59):
we're just feeding it to chips and beef jerky man
hanging out. It's really big, like its thing is every
bit of one hundred and fifty pounds or more. Like,
I mean, it's pretty solid. And it's a female too.
It is a female. And the very last night that

(01:49:20):
we saw it, I remember and also like kind of minds,
you like, this thing had nothing to do with me
at all, Like it didn't want to hang out with me.
I didn't have no food. Alls I had was a cigar,
and I didn't want the scar. And the very last
night that I saw it, I'm walking to my car,
getting ready to leave for the night, and I'm listening

(01:49:42):
to a podcast about dog Man. So I'm kind of
on edge. You know, all these stuff that I've experienced
in my life has given me a special flavor of PTSD. Anyways,
I'm on edge, okay, and I'm completely distracted. I feel
the pressure change in the air, you know, that heavy,

(01:50:03):
statically charged like what we talked about. And then all
of a sudden, I start hearing ever so faintly through
my earbuds, you know, the clickity clackity of claws running
on pavement, you know, and that's enough to freak me out.
So I because it's coming right at me like fast,
you know, I jump up in the air, turn around

(01:50:24):
and land into a karate stance, trying to not die.
I'm just like, I'm like Zach Bagan's.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Like, God, get possessed.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Right, And I do that. And it was the wolf dog,
you know. It tucked his tail and skittered off to
the side, and I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Come here, girl, I didn't mean to scare you. You
scared me half to death listening. Yeah, you don't care.
Just come here. I'm sorry, you know. And I start
patting on it and love and It'm like, look, I'm
sorry and mean too. I'm like, but you know, probably

(01:50:58):
go go find your super edge lorded guy. You probably
should from here, you know. And I start getting into
the car and I'm trying to get in, but this
thing is like trying to get in with me, Like
it's doing everything in its power to get into the
car with me, and it's everything I can do to

(01:51:19):
be like, no, no, stay out. Look, I just I've
got a newborn. I just got a dog. Like, look,
I'd love to take care of you. You seem like
a sweet dog. You're being very nice to me now,
and but I just don't think it's gonna work out. Like,
just get out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
That's it's me, not you.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Speech there exactly exactly that. So I I finally accomplish it.
I'm in the car and I start to drive, and
this thing is chasing my car the entire time, like
it's at one point like it's doing it's literally running
circles around my car. I don't lose this thing until

(01:52:00):
I hit about fifty miles an hour. And see. The
interesting thing is to get from my house to work,
I first have to go north and then go west
to get to work. However, as the crow flies, if
you go straight from you know where work is, and

(01:52:21):
then heads straight east in a straight line, you would
have no problem catching up with me by the time
I got to the same point, you know, especially if
you're running fifty plus miles an hour. Yeah, it wouldn't
be a problem. So, you know, out of mind. Back
to the podcast. While these details are cool, Wow, this

(01:52:43):
is an interesting subject. Sounds pretty freaky, you know. And
I'm about ten miles away from home and I'm fixing
to come up on this house that is on the way,
and their house is basically all fenced in and they
have sheep been there and on the side of the

(01:53:06):
road there at the fence. I see something up against
the fence. I'm like, what in the world what is that?
I get closer and closer I turn on the high beans.
I'm like, what is that? And I realized that as

(01:53:29):
I got closer, it's dog Man. Because you gotta understand,
this fence is five feet tall and this thing is
sitting down on its butt, and the fence comes up
to here as a city and this is this is
when I slowed down and start screaming. I'm like, why, why, why.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
My life a square peg?

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
Yeah, get in the hall.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
But you know, I'm and you know, I'm staring at
this thing, yelling at it, and I'll describe it for
you guys. So this thing is not built like a bodybuilder,
first of all, like what we normally see with dog Man. No,
it's not like that at all. If anything, I would
say that this thing is built more like a basketball player.
You know, you know it's it's defined, yes, but it's

(01:54:26):
not bulky. It's not the incredible furry hulk sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
You know, it's got really uh long arms, like disproportionately
long arms. The position that it's sitting in It reminds
me a lot of like the way my dog that
thinks that she's human sits on the couch and watches TV.
It's very straight backed like that, it's got like a

(01:54:53):
hump on its like kind of neck area, shoulder area
like back here, it's kind of got like a hump,
and it's kind of maimed, almost looking not quite like
a line but maybe more hyena ish, I guess maybe.
And then its head, its head is disproportionately large for

(01:55:17):
its body. Granted, its body is already pretty dang big,
but it looks like its head is just slightly too
big for this body. And I remember it had a
long snout. It was very kind of flat and wide looking,
but yet I could count the wrinkles in its jowls,

(01:55:42):
and I remember the really striking thing to me about it. Well,
the second most striking thing was its ears. Its ears
were not perfect triangles pointed, no, they they were the
ears of a German shepherd, So that strange. You know,
everything else was wolf wolf, but its ears are the

(01:56:05):
only thing that's different. And I tell the story about
the dog that happened before to say, this is like
after sense caught up with me, and was like drive stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
The coloration of the said dog man registered, you know,
it was like its entire fur was like like a
dirty you know, pea stained white is the best way
I know how to describe it, Like dirty dog white.
You know how it's almost kind of like faintly yellowish blondish.

(01:56:44):
So it's like that. On its the majority of its body,
it has a silver streak or stripe going down, and
then its full belly is all white, you know. And
then I realized I was like, wait a second, that
is the exact to the tea same coloration as the

(01:57:08):
wolf dog that tried to go home with me, no difference,
It is exact. Hmmm, what just happened? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
Wow? So we'll say, if it was that dog and
you let it in the car with you, you think
that you may not be telling the story right now.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
I think I think that's a good possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
I look at some of the literature that is within
the occult and the way that they describe and talk
about were wolves, and I have questions, you know, right
It's like I don't know, maybe maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
You know, don't know, that's wild, That's all I know, was.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
Is a giant wolf thing sitting on the side of
the road and it looks big.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
That's crazy. Was it just like watching you drive by?

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
Luckily enough, No, it was like laser focused in on
the sheep that was within that area. I'm sure it
could hear me with them big ol' ears, but I'm
just glad it didn't turn and look at me.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
That would have been big ears you have.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
That's crazy, James. We got a couple of minutes. You'll
go ahead and give out all your information.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Sure, sure, all right, Well, guys out there on YouTube land,
y'all can find me at the Night's Watch on YouTube
and let's see here. You can find me on the
Patreons and stuff like that. I'll be doing an audio
only podcast very soon, getting everything stacked up. I kind
of got stuff on spot but uh, Spotify done made

(01:59:03):
me mad, so well, so yeah, there's that. You can
find me on the facebooks. I got my own group,
it's The Night's Watch. And if you guys ever want
to like message me and talk to me about anything,
I'm super easy to get a hold of. And you
know I'm always here for a good talk and good conversation.
So come hang out. I'm a cool guy.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
I promise, Yes, he is cool. Definitely, you hang out
with him. Got some great stories too, awesome stories. We
need to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
I'm meant to ask him about not to be a
spoiler alert, but I wanted to ask you about the
new movie with Relic Films. But we can do that
another time. Sure, sure, because we'd love to have you
back on.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
I mean to be fair man, like we just barely skimmed,
like you know, the fastest way of me telling a
couple of stories, like I said, I got. I made
my stuff into like ten hours of content, not even
counting Relic side of things, and me going ahead and
hanging out with Harley and doing stuff. So I got plenty.
I'm down whenever you're down.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
Awesome. All right, sounds good? Well you ready, we're ready.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
I guess we're ready to say goodbye three hour shows.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
Yeah, but most people after to stop listening, so.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
Three hours got wild too.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
Yeah, we're all right man. Uh, we appreciate you coming on.
And uh, if you want to stay stay in the
the thing here, well I want to. We'll speak to
you after the end. So sounds great. You'll be good
and everybody. I hope you all have a blessed day.
So bye, thank you bye.

Speaker 3 (02:00:48):
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secrets the night hides, what strange phenomena might be happening
just beyond your perception.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
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Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
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