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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Blessings everybody, and welcome to another segment episode of The
Purposes Greater Podcast Listen on tonight. I'm so honored and
humble and excited to have a wonderful guest.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I call him doctor Nelson. Listen.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
He is a major kingdom shaker here. He is doing
so much awesome things in the Kingdom of God. People
are being set free, and I'm super excited to have
him here once tonight. As you may know, I'm doctor
Francis and Bailly. I am the host of this podcast.
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Speaker 2 (01:38):
Right now. I'm even going to go to my page
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Speaker 1 (01:40):
Share this myself. Myself because I know you're in for
a treat. You're definitely gonna be in for a treat tonight,
Doctor Nelson. I hope you don't mind me because I
just see, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's who you are.
I thank you for being here on tonight. Thank you
for your yes. I remember when I just first asked you,
I was like, Wow, this your ministry is a blessing.
(02:03):
And I want to share something transparent because I've been
watching him for over a year and a half. There
was a moment where I was going through some things
where I had to actually I got healed. I got healed,
I went through my healing. But listening to I would
purposely go on TikTok just to find his videos. He
teaches such revelatory information backed up by the Word of God,
(02:27):
and it is freeing. It's so freeing. So I bless
God for your ministry. I thank God for having you
here on tonight. And I am not going to prolong
because as you can see, I.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Love to talk.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I talks, but I love to talk, and I would
love for you to introduce yourself. I did read your bio.
I saw so many wonderful things, but I have so
many questions I want to ask. I don't know if
we're gonna have to do a part two or what,
but I would love for you to just, you know,
come and let the people know who you are and
what you do.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Okay, great, Well, it's the pleasure to be on and
honored to be on your program again. I grew up
in Indiana, and I had no aspirations to do ministry,
which I think most people oftentimes do so in that way.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And I grew up on a farm.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I was a farm boy in Indiana, had no desires
to do farming either. I grew up we didn't really
have much money, so I saw oftentimes my mom and
my dad would argue because it didn't have money. So
I kind of made an internal vow saying, well, I'm
going to make a lot of money that way. When
I get married, you know, my wife and I we
won't argue ever anything, because we'll have a lot of money.
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So I ended up going to Purdue University, got a
job working for a company that was a banking compliance
company around the United States and sold software, sold banking products,
and succeeded in doing that, and I began making a
lot of money, which I was like, well, this is great.
Didn't have that when I was growing up, but eventually
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had some challenge is in my family, challenges between my
wife and I actually as well as one of our sons,
and ultimately it led to a divorce that you know,
I did not want to go through a divorce after
about nineteen years of marriage. And then my son was
had been affected by a circumstance in his life that
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really shares from age eight to eight Dean and heart
was to change and see a lot of changes in myself.
But the Lord ended up doing that. And one night
I was in like September of two thousand and I
didn't think that that was even possible, even though I
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went to church my whole life. But the Lord said,
is it that you want out of your life? And
I told him I said, well, I thought it was money.
I wanted to be a millionaire body and I was
on my way to approaching that. But that I said,
I go, I don't have a peace. Give me peace.
(05:08):
I would really like that. If I had to make
one choice, it would be peace. If I had two choices,
I'd say peace and money. But I said, if I
don't have to choose one, i'd be peace. And then
the Lord spoke to me and he said, that's an
excellent choice. He said, that's what I will do for you.
I will give you peace. He said, I will take
away all the money that you have that you've saved up.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And I will humble you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And when I've got your heart to be my heart,
then I can trust you, and then I will use
you ultimately in a ministry and that it would grow
to being people all over the world. And I was thinking,
what is this like. I had no desire to do
ministry and much less people everywhere, so how is this
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going to happen? So I essentially made a deal of
the Lord and said, I will do that. I will
agree do whatever it takes, you know, humble me in
this process.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
And if I have to lose all the money that
I have, so be it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
As long as I can have peace, and if I
can have your heart and it'll be my heart, then
I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Then eventually that's what happened, is over time, the money
that I'd saved up a little by little went away,
and yet I was able to hear more from the Lord,
and he was able to actually deliver me, you know,
in this whole process where when I was six years old,
I was actually exposed to pornography in my school as
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I went to the bathroom and I was coming back
to a class and some boys had a dirty magazine
and they wanted me to look at it, and I
didn't know that it was a magazine that was pornography.
So I went to look at it, and I was shocked.
And that's where I started to struggle. Began that way,
and that's a big part of our ministry because there's
so many men and there's now about a third of
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women that are church goers that struggle with the pornography.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And so I struggled with that. The Lord delivered me back.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
In two thousand and eight, and then that's a big
part of you know, deliverances. We need to walk in
a more pure way than what the enemy would want
us to enemy, we want us to justify living in sin,
staying in sin. You know, Jesus came to get us
to repent and heal from those wounds and change and
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then change to walking in the fruit of the spirit.
So ultimately, when I was delivered from that, then I
was able to hear the Lord speak to me, and
he began the journey to take me from the business world,
where I was highly successful, into doing ministry. And I
had no idea what that was going to look like,
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none whatsoever, because he any kind of only shares with
you at the time things that you need. So essentially
what happened was, little by little I started hearing more
from the Lord, and he started how so many Christians,
you know, Christians that have the Holy Spirit can pray
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in the Spirit. You know, I received that when I
was thirteen. Yet so many Christians will struggle with their flesh,
and they'll struggle with hearing thoughts in their minds that
ultimately are demonic. And you know, I was brought up
to believe that Christians couldn't have demons. But then once
I heard with my own two ears, and the Lord
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confirmed it, saying, yeah, those are actual demonic spirits that
are trying to torment you and trying to lead you
into things that will cause you to justify sinning and
staying in that sin and not changing and seeing the
fruit of the Spirit.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Then I, a little by little learned more and more.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
About how people will be tormented by thousands of thoughts.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Again from the enemy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
In fact, I learned that the National Science Foundation in
two thousand and five did a study and they found
the average person had twelve thousand thoughts a.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Day, of which eighty percent or negative.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And the Lord spoke to me and said, largely those
are coming from demonic spirits, because then they're affecting people
in the church and people that have the Holy Spirit.
That's why I give the Holy Spirit to my Christians,
so that they can hear the Lord trying to get
through to them, to speak to them about how to forgive.
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Matthew eighteen twenty one to thirty five. Jesus said, if
we don't forgive, it gave the example talking to Peter
about the man that refused to forgive, and he said,
if we don't forgive, we get turned over to the tormentors,
and we have to forgive from our hearts. So a
lot of times people don't read their Bible for themselves.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
The Lord told me.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
They hear what the pastors and the preachers preach to them,
and if they're not preaching the whole Bible, then how
are they going to receive. Well, the Holy Spirit's going
to try to get through to the people to get
them to read the Bible for themselves and to see
the truth. And so so many people have unforgiveness because
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they've been hurt and they've been wounded by their moms,
by their dads. Ninety five percent of the people have
had violations sexually sexually by the age of fourteen, either
exposure to pornography like I was exposed to, or they
were touched or molested by age fourteen. And when that happens,
they will struggle with their sexual purity. And that's why
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there's so many pastors. Fifty seven percent of pastors will
look at pornography, sixty four percent of youth pastors, seventy
five percent of men that attend church, thirty three percent
of women. And it's because they were exposed to the
sexual stuff when they were little, or they were touched
or they were molested, and they never got delivered. So
they continue to hear those thoughts and to feel those
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compulsions from largely demonic spirits that attached to their soul.
So many people don't understand that. Don't think that now demons,
you're taught that. So the truth of the matter is,
you get the Holy Spirit to help you get delivered
from the demonic spirit.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Mind. Spirit isn't going.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
To leave because they have a legal right to stay,
and they will attach to a person's soul, which is
their mind, their will, their emotions. So in a large
part you get all these negative thoughts, and a lot
of them are coming from demonic spirits. And that's why
you see so many Christians that can have the Holy Spirit,
or they may not have the Oly Spirit, but they're
still being tormented and struggling with their flesh. And when
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when you truly pursue healing and deliverance, and you're able
to forgive a person that's hurt you deeply, like your father,
your mother, stepfather's stepmother, whomever it is, from your heart,
like it says in the Bible Matthew eighteen twenty one
to thirty five, then guess what those demonic spirits lose
the rights to start to keep on speaking to you
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and tormenting you. And when we forgive others, the Bible
says Matthew six fourteen through fifty, then we are forgiven
for our sins. But there are so many Christians, many
people in the church that have not forgiven from works,
and they're still angry there and those demons in them,
thousands a day of all the bad things that were
done to them, and then that's all they talk about
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throughout the week, throughout the month, of what their father
did to them, or their mother, or their spouse or
ex spouse.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So yeah, that's good. No, no, no, that was really good.
You're sharing some valuable, valuable information. Listen, the comments are
going are going off. I can't even keep up. They
this is really some great teaching. You're very you're you're teaching.
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And so this is what this podcast is for, you know,
for tonight, you know, to to share. This is all
the things that you know he has been sharing on
his TikTok that he's been sharing on Facebook if you
haven't been following him. Deliverance is really really necessary, and
it was so shocking the numbers that you just if
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you can reiterate those numbers about the you know, how
much deliverance is even really needed from the leaders, you know,
and the things that you know, I mean, this is
real talk. You're talking real tonight, and this is the
stuff that needs to be heard. And because we and
I'm speaking because I'm a leader, you know, So you
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know we have things, and I remember that when I
first found you on TikTok how I was like, I remember,
I said, God, I really need to deal with the
root of the situation because I can't bleed on people,
you know, in leadership and in ministry, and I don't
want to pass down trauma.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That you know, that I have from my family or
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And so, you know, looking at your tiktoks and listening
to the things that were sharing.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was really opening up and pulling.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The scales off from my eyes, like, Okay, it's time
out for pointing fingers. I gotta deal with me. It's
time to deal with me now. And it's hard as
that was, you know, I had to be transparent and
go before God and really deal with those spirits, those thoughts.
Your my mind was running one hundred miles per hour
and and and hearing those things, and and and it
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was coming from dealing with things I wasn't ready to face.
And that was going to follow me to I don't
want to say the pool pit, because I'm not in
a pool pit, but to in marketplace ministry, you know,
and bleeding on people is bleeding on people, and it
doesn't make it great, and so I'm grateful for you, know,
everything that you've been, that you that you're teaching, and
I just want to touch you know, for if you
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can touch just a little bit more on those who
deal because I walk in the deliverance ministry as well,
and when I start ministering, I really talk about trauma
in the childhood and not dealing with that and dealing
also with unforgiveness. Can you still touch on touch on that?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Absolutely? Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I've done deliverance with thousands of people around the world,
and I do it every month, uh, you know, pretty
much Monday through Friday, and I'm busy. We're getting of
two hundred requests a week now from all over the world.
And it's because people that struggle with their hurts and
their wounds from childhood that will follow them into their
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adult lives and they can ask Jesus into their heart.
They can get saved, they can receive the Holy Spirit.
That's great. They need to, you know, pray in the spirit.
That's awesome. I've received that when I was thirteen. But
just because I received my par language and I was
praying in the spirit didn't mean that the demons still
didn't have rights to torment me because of what happened
to me when I was six. You know, I was
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exposed to pornography and I couldn't stop. And it's very addictive,
and I can. I have compassion now for people that
struggle that want to be delivered from that. A lot
of them want to, but I've heard. I mean, there's
a lady that had a son that was a teenager
here in Dallas, and she went to her pastor, can
you help him? He wants to get delivered from looking
at pornography, and the pastor said, no.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That's normal.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Everyone does that, That's okay. So people are justifying at
the highest level of churches sin and that is not
what Jesus came to do. So again, in people's lives,
we get hurt, we get wounded when we're children because
we're innocent. So that's why ninety five percent, by the
age of fourteen, ninety five percent of people in the
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world have either been exposed, exposed to pornography, or touched
or molested. Now, of course we'll also get hurt and
wounded by emotional wounds by fathers, by mothers who never
got their wounds healed. So I've heard everything. I've heard
all those stories, horrendous things that happened to people. And
all it takes is a father that wasn't even there,
that was you felt emotionally distant from, who never said
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he loved you, who never encouraged you. What Some of
the most common feelings that people will get that are
hurtful and wounded that will allow them on e spirits
to torment their soul throughout their lives are rejection. They
felt rejected from their father, They felt rejected from their mother,
or a stepfather or a stepmother, or a whole bunch
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of other people in their life. Because that's what typically
will follow them as they have dating relationships, as they
get married, they'll feel rejected, rejected, rejected. Other things that
they'll feel is I don't feel good enough, I don't
feel worthy. I hear that all the time, and it's
because the person that's treating them that way, they're healed,
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they're not delivered. They felt that way. And so when
I'm taking a person through a session, and again this
is in my book Freedom from Soul Wounds and Demons,
It's on Amazon. I wrote in there so that people
can help walk themselves through deliverance from those hurts and wounds,
and it seems so important to get the soul wounds healed.
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Is what I'll do is, let's say their father hurt them,
and I'll ask them, do you know how your father
got hurt? And a lot of times they don't even
think about that, like, well, no, I don't know, or no,
he was just mean. He was horrible to me and
and I hate him and I'm angry at him, and
I'm bitter and he caused me to feel stupid.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
And dumb and good enough.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Well, then when they take a time to pause, I'll
have the Lord speak to them and show how their
father was hurt if they.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Don't know it.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Most times they don't because fathers aren't as expressive as mother's.
And when the Lord reveals to them and shows them that, hey,
guess what, your father was hurt by his father deeply,
or your father was hurt by his mother mother was
very controlling, very manipulative and demanding, or the father was
exposed to sexual things. Then what happens is in their heart,
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instead of being angry and bitter with all the horrible
things that were done to them, it starts to change
to where they now have a little bit of compassion
for the person that abused them, kind of like Jesus
when he's dying on the cross and he said, Father,
forgive them. They know not what they do right before
he died. And so when you start to have a
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little compassion instead of the anger hatred, then what I
do is say, Okay, now I want you to say,
I choose to forgive my father for causing me to feel.
And this is where it gets real. They think now,
oftentimes the very first time, how they felt. They've never
verbalized that. I'm like, let's just go through that list.
How did they cause you to feel? Because that's where
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the demonic spirits will have legal rights to attach to
them when they're little, when they're young, and then stay
attached to them after they be my Christian because they
still have anger, unforgiveness, and bitterness after the fact. That's
what the Holy Spirit's trying to get through to them
is to say, you need to forgive them from your heart,
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like it talks about in Matthew eighteen twenty one to
thirty five. So at that point they give, they can
remember back, well, how did my dad cause me to feel?
He made me feel worthless. He made me feel rejected,
he made me feel betrayed, made me feel not good enough.
He made me feel stupid, dumb, angry, bitter. I wished
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he died, you know, all these things. And then they
give all those emotions to Jesus and ask him to
heal him, or ask them to heal them. And then
I take authority as a deliverance minister, and I just
simply command every demonic spirit that attached to their soul
to go to the pit in Jesus' name. And then
they take a couple of deep breaths, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Like, how do you feel.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
They're like, wow, I feel lighter. Ah, this is crazy.
I feel so much better. It's like a weight's been
lifted off me. I'm like, yeah, it's because those demonic
spirits have been on you since you were hurt and wounded,
you know, as a four year old, five year old,
six year old, as you were growing up. And so
then we go on to the next wound. Get that healed.
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How'd your mother treat you? Or get the sexual wounds healed?
Or get the bullying. A lot of people have been
bullied when they were in school or by neighbors. And
when we choose to forgive, like the Bible says, then
we're the ones that get forgiven. So you don't have
to go to the person that hurt and wounded you
and say, hey, I'm going to forgive you. You know,
if the Lord tells you to do that, you can
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do that. But in most cases, a person that's abused
to you or hurt you, they're just gonna laugh at
your They're not going to say anything because they're not
delivered themselves. So you can see that in the privacy
of your own home. Just say, I choose to forgive,
and I give to the Lord all those toxic emotions
that they felt, and he asked Jesus to heal you
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and then take authority command the demonic spirits to go.
So as they get those wounds healed, they feel very
light by the end of the session, and they're like, Wow,
I feel like all the stuff that happened to me
now almost like it didn't happen, you know, And I
can remember the generalities, but why do I don't feel
angry anymore, I don't feel bitter anymore. And I'm like, yeah,
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that's called deliverance. And then you matter of taking thoughts
captive from the demons that try to give you all
those thoughts to remind you of all the bad things.
And what I teach is just saying I silence the
voice of the enemy in Jesus' name. It took me
five to six months to practice after the Lord delivered
me to take the thoughts captive from the demons, and
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then they stopped. And it's been since two thousand ten
since I've heard. So it's been what is that fourteen
years ago since the last time I heard a demonic
spirit try to get me to feel condemned or angry
or bitter. I don't have those thoughts anymore. Well, most
Christians still do because they've never gone through any type
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of a true forgiveness. Now there's some that have, some
that have absolutely, but most people in the church have not.
And most people in the church have been lied to
and said that they can't be struggling with demonic spirits.
So what do you do when you get thousands of
the thoughts today? When you go to the doctor, you
go to your psychiatrist, psychologists, and you cannot medicate out
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a demonic spirit as legal rights to stay. And it's
interesting because the Lord's been having me do some ministry
now with psychologists and psychiatrists and medical doctors and therapists
because they want to know this, because they're like, this
is life changing, major life changing where maybe you need
to reread from all that format.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, this is this is really good. I know you
said a little bit. For those who are just tuning in,
he has shared a mouthful. Please share the video if
you haven't. If you're listening on iHeartRadio Apple podcasts, please
share the link as this is some he even did
a deliverance session. This is some good information that he
(23:23):
has been sharing. I know you talked a little bit
about what brought you to the deliverance ministry, and so
I want for those who are just turn it in,
if you could just reiterate what brought you to the
deliverance ministry and what words of wisdom do you have
for those.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Who are called to the deliverance ministry as well.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, All the Lord has told me this over
and over again is that experience is the best teacher,
although can be the most painful. So you know, here
I am. I grew up on a farm, I went
to a Purdue university. You got a job at a
very the leading banking compliance company, and then later on
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internet banking software company, did very well, successful business wise,
but had no clue about spiritual warfare and how demons
can attach and attack Christians and how it looks and
all that. So ultimately I had my oldest son had
a neighbor boy in our neighborhood that did some things
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he should n't have, showed him some things he shouldn't have,
and then he basically changed rather dramatically and became very
mean and very controlling, and just his whole personality change
at age eight, and then from.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Age eight to age eighteen.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
For ten years, he just got worse and we couldn't
really function very well as a family, and we put
him in Christian counselings. I spent thousands of dollars, and
I learned that you cannot medicate out demonic spirits. And
then finally the Lord brought to me a guy from
southern California that taught me about deliverance, and he said, listen,
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your son is a mess because he's hearing these demonic
thoughts all day long and he can't turn it off,
and he doesn't know it, but he sure can't function
very easily, and that's why he's so you know, angry
and anti social and oppositional.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
And all that stuff. So I'm like, well, how do
I get him free?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
And he's like, well, just learn to take authority, command
the demonic stuff to go, because that's what's happening to him.
I'm like, well, he'll never let me pray for him.
You know, he's mean, he's awful to me and treats
his brother and sister poorly, and his mom poorly. And
so he said, well, just ask him if you can
pray for him.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
That's all you need.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's the open door that you can take at that
point for his approval. Ask him if you can pray
for him. If he says yes, then take authority, command
them to go. And so that's what I did. And
it was a shock to me because I asked if
I could pray for him. I didn't think he'd say yes,
but I tried everything. I was desperate, and he said
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yes that I could pray for him. So I just
put my hands on his shoulder and he bowed his head.
It was actually in my car, in my garage, and
I just said, I command every spirit that's not of
a lord to go to the pit in Jesus' name
and I release peace over your mind. And then I
kept my eyes open because I wanted to see if
there demons that would fly out.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Like.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Did it work? Lord? I'm like, how do I know?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
And the Lord said you'll know, and so I'm like, okay.
So then he thanked me and he left, and so
then I just went to bed. And then the next
day I went to go out to mow the grass,
which is something he hadn't done for years, and he
never willingly did it.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
So I'm about.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Halfway done with more in the grass and he comes
walking out of the house says, hey, Dad, can I
finish more in the grass for you? I'm like shocked.
I'm thinking, are you kidding me? Who is this? And
they said, oh, also, I want to get a haircut
and apply for a job at Burger King And he
had gotten fired from Kroger because you wouldn't listen to
them because he was still under the influence of the
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demonic spirits that I didn't know he had. And so
I said sure, So I gave him the mower. I
go in the house. He starts it up. He starts
to mow the grass and then I follow on my
knees and I start crying.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
And I'm like, what happened? You got your son back?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
And I'm like, are you kidding me? Ten years I
went through ten years of hell. I said, why didn't
you tell me this like nine and a half years ago?
And he said, because this is going to be a
major part of your future ministry that I'm going to
take you into.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And you had to walk this out personally.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Because there's so many parents that have had children that
have been hurt and wounded and then dramatically changed and
they have demonic influences in their lives, and the only
way can truly get delivered is through deliverance. You can't
put medication into a person that's struggling with these mental
disorders that they call in which the mental disorders are
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largely demonic interference. And so it's important for people to understand.
And so as I learned that, I saw my first
miracle basically as my son changed like that, and I
kept waiting for him to come back to being the
former son that I had and he never did, and
I'm like, this is crazy. And so then you know,
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little by little the Lord led me into more.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Experiences.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I had experience with an ex wife that I saw
a behavior that was not consistent with what you know
a Christian should be and I needed deliverance myself.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So the Lord was able to take.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Me through that, and then when I changed, then that's
when I was able to pray for my son. And
then little by little, the Lord started bringing me people
that needed healing and deliverance, and his large part they
were all from the church. So that's proof that we
really shouldn't lead people through healing and deliverance unless they
are a professing Christian, because as Jesus said, that deliverance
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is the children's bread, those who are the believers, and
that's who should be taken through that. You know, of
a person's committed to the Lord, then we can take
them through deliverance. But everyone, everyone's been hurt and wounded.
Everyone is just what extent and when we're healed and delivered?
How do you know when you're healed and delivered? I
get that question a lot. I'm like, well, you're going
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to see the changes in Galatians five sixteen through twenty
six from the flesh, and it says if you regularly
practice the things of the flesh. You're not going to
inherit the kingdom of God. So those are sexual things.
Those are jealousy, selfishness, you know, gossip, slander, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
And then when we.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Are healed and delivered, were then a walk in the
the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,
and self control, and will also walk into humility and
sexual purity.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
That's how you know when you're delivered. And then you
can hear the Lord clearly, take the thoughts captive from
any demonic spirits trying to speak to you, and then
you can come into your fullness of the calling that
the Lord has in your life. And then you'll treat
people like Jesus did. You won't treat your spouse in
a mean way, you won't try to hurt them and
control them. You'll treat your children with love. You'll be patient,
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you know, you'll sacrifice, you'll lay your life down for others.
And so that's the difference between a delivered Christian and
one that's not. One that's not will still struggle with
the flesh in a large way, and then the demons
will try to cause them to justify that behavior and say, oh, no,
that's just the way you are and you're fine. So
they never truly forgive people that have hurt them, because
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that gives legal rights to the demons to torment pride.
Pride is a huge thing, which you can read about
Job of chapter forty one, the Leviathon spirit, people that
struggle with pride.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
There's a demonic spirit called Leviathon.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Actually just talked about that today and I'm going to
describe characteristics of people that struggle with that, and it's
going to confirm for you a lot of people that
you know in your life, because a lot of people
have a very strong level of pride. You get that
when you're hurt and wounded as a child, and when
you grow.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Up, it starts to speak to you.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
In fact, in Job forty one thirty four, it says
it's King over all the children of Pride. So children,
that's when we get hurt and wounded as children, and
then that spirit starts to speak to us, and then
it causes wants us to believe that it's for us
when it's not, and it will puff us up with
pride and tell us all of our decisions are the best,
and you can't trust anybody else. And so people that
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struggle with the Leviathon spirit, I'm going to name off
the characteristics because there's so.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Many that have this.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
They're going to prideful, they're not going to see it
in themselves. A lot of them are in the church.
They'll have a false humility. They're good at acting, they're humble,
but they're not truthfully and they oftentimes when you read
about Leviathon it it sounds like it's a c type monster.
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And in reality a lot of times people get dreams
of alligators because the Lord's trying to reveal to them
to search what the biblical symbol of an alligator is,
and it's really the Leviathon spirit, says the rows of
scales or its pride, and it has lots of teeth.
So when an alligator clamps onto its prey, it twists
and twists to wear them out. So if you know
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people that will twist it's words, twist what was said,
Twist the facts of what happened the day before, Twist
what they said to make themselves look good, Twist.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
What you said to make you look bad.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
That's a telltale sign they're dealing with that spirit of Leviathon.
It also it'll also attach to us typically in our
spine and our neck and cause back pain, neck pain,
and headaches. And you can go to the chiropractor all
day long and you won't get healed from that until
you repent for your pride, until you forgive people for
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hurting you.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
If you try to read the Bible, it will be
to sleep. If you try to go to sleep, it
will keep you awake, so you can't have dreams from
the Lord.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
So it really causes a lot of havoc in a person,
and you can get delivered from it, but you have
to forgive those who hurt you from your heart. You
have to repent for your pride and then you can
command levithon go. We see thousands of people every month
that are getting delivered from Lebiason.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
So.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
It's good you guys if you haven't listen. He has
about thirteen books on Amazon. When I saw it, I
was like, Wow, I gotta go get the books. Over
thirty king books on Amazon. Please connect with him and
this is one of the things I wanted to touch
with in your bio. He has trained over five hundred
people in fifteen different countries in deliverance ministry, and he
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has deliverance centers as well. So this is you're doing
an amazing work in the kingdom. I have to bring
him back for a part two. There's no way because
I mean there's no way, you guys. But in the meantime,
I definitely want you. I'm going to allow him to
say how you can connect with him. Please follow him
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his teachings. He backs it up with the word of God.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
He teaches.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He's an amazing teacher. If you're struggling, it's okay. You
don't have to put it in the commiss I have
to do that, but reach out and get the help.
You know, it's okay. It's time to go and get
delivered and be set free. And you know, we don't
want to be held back, and you know any longer
(35:00):
or struggling or holding on to stuff that happened. Really seriously,
when you're you could be forty years old and still
living out a six year old life because of the trauma.
And so it's time really to get free and we
all seek deliverance, right and so please.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Connect with him.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
But I'm going to allow him to inter to say
how you guys can stay connected with him and please
be looking forward to a part two. I know it's
gonna have to be.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
They can go out to my website restored to freedom
dot com r E s t O r E d
t O freedom dot com. They can also go out
to my link tree and just search for Nelson Schumann
s C h U M A N. They can also
call three one seven four or five nine seven zero
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nine one and but yeah, link tree has a whole
bunch of great links to like my books. And of
course you can go to Amazon and search for Nelson Schumann.
The book the latest book that's helping people get hill
and deliverance called Freedom from Soul, Wounds and Demons, and
you can get that on Amazon and paperback, Kindle, an Audible,
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and I'm the one that reads it to you on Audible.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So sweet.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
That's amazing, Listen. I saw that his books is in
different languages.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I love that. Reaching Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
But and I don't want to forget he has a
school as well, definitely open for booking, you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I know when I already told him before I even
asked him to be on the podcast, I said, when
I have a conference.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I need you to come, I need you to share.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It's so much wisdom, so much wisdom and actually having
to go through it, not just teaching informational stuff, but
he's had experience with this in his life and operating
in the true anointing and power of God, and so
I'm thankful for you. Don't forget about his books, the
deliverance centers. Did you want to touch a base about
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that for any Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, you can go out to our website Restored to
Freedom dot com and you can click on We have
people all over the world that have gone through a
certification through our ministries that you can reach out to
locally to take you through a session. Again, I still
do personal sessions for people, So if anybody's interested in
that's go out to contact me on the website and
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then complete that. And then we also have various churches
and ministry centers around the country that you can go
to locally for a physical place if you want to
go to. Again, the people I take through sessions, about
ninety five percent of them I do on Zoom or phone.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Calls or Skype or WhatsApp.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Again, I deal with people all over the world, so
I'm booked out for several weeks, but anyone that would
be interested you can get If you've got to link
tree and search for Nelson Schumann, you'll be able to
see where you can click on the personal session request
there too.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
So yes, and I think he's local close to Dallas, Texas.
So if you're local in that area, yes, please reach out.
If you're not, again, he does virtual. I know deliverance
is a topic that people don't like to talk about,
as you say, especially growing up in like those religious homes.
You know, we don't they don't believe in demons and
you don't get demons and all of that kind of stuff,
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and so I know it's a touchy topic, but deliverance
is necessary.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It's very necessary.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
And so hearing those numbers again just blew my mind,
like I can't wait to go back and even catch
to replay myself. And so thank you for sharing tonight.
Is there anything that you want to share with our
guests until next time, because I know it's going to
be a next time.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Just essentially, if if if you've never gone through any
type of inner healing and deliverance, you will most likely
be struggling with peace in your life. And so that's
a telltale sign that you probably need some wounds that
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need to be healed. You need to forgive. How do
you do that, Well, again, you can follow our ministry.
We talk about that a lot, and we lead people
through that process. And there's pride that's always in the way.
So there's a lot of things that would stop and
impede a Christian from having peace. And if you get
all these negative thoughts all day long, that's a telltale
sign those are demonic spirits. You need to take those
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thoughts captive and just say I silenced the voice of
the enemy in Jesus name. And so that's what I
would say to most all Christians is when you are
healed and delivered, you have a lot of joy, You
have a lot of fruit of the spirit. You love people.
It's not what you can get from them, it's what
you can do for them. And you lose your selfishness
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and you become selfless, you become more like Christ. Christ
actually abides in you, which is what.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
We're supposed to have.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
And Christ doesn't want to abide when we've got demonic
spirits that are still struggling that we continue to listen
to and obey. You know, that's that's fine. When we
come to Christ, we are obviously struggling with sin and
so forth. But when we held and delivered, sin becomes
rare in our lives and we have the fruit of
the spirit, and we love people. It's a wonderful life,
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you know at that point.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
So all right, thank you doctor Nelson for coming on
and sharing. I do thank you for your time and
everything you shared tonight. The People are blessed.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
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all his information, everything that he's doing with his.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
School, with tiktoks.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
With YouTube, everything he's on major platforms influencing and helping
others to get free.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
And I thank you doctor Nelson for your time again.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
My name is doctor Francis and Bailey And as I
always say, I believe the first step and having a
purpose sales to realize that what you're facing isn't greater
than Gud's purpose. And until next time, thank you all
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Blessings everybody, and welcome to another segment episode of The
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
I call him doctor Nelson. Listen.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
He is a major kingdom shaker here. He is doing
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Speaker 2 (01:38):
Right now. I'm even going to go to my page
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Speaker 1 (01:40):
Share this myself. Myself because I know you're in for
a treat. You're definitely gonna be in for a treat tonight,
Doctor Nelson. I hope you don't mind me because I
just see, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's who you are.
I thank you for being here on tonight. Thank you
for your yes. I remember when I just first asked you,
I was like, Wow, this your ministry is a blessing.
(02:03):
And I want to share something transparent because I've been
watching him for over a year and a half. There
was a moment where I was going through some things
where I had to actually I got healed. I got healed,
I went through my healing. But listening to I would
purposely go on TikTok just to find his videos. He
teaches such revelatory information backed up by the Word of God,
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and it is freeing. It's so freeing. So I bless
God for your ministry. I thank God for having you
here on tonight. And I am not going to prolong
because as you can see, I.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Love to talk.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I talks, but I love to talk, and I would
love for you to introduce yourself. I did read your bio.
I saw so many wonderful things, but I have so
many questions I want to ask. I don't know if
we're gonna have to do a part two or what,
but I would love for you to just, you know,
come and let the people know who you are and
what you do.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Okay, great, Well, it's the pleasure to be on and
honored to be on your program again. I grew up
in Indiana, and I had no aspirations to do ministry,
which I think most people oftentimes do so in that way.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And I grew up on a farm.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I was a farm boy in Indiana, had no desires
to do farming either. I grew up we didn't really
have much money, so I saw oftentimes my mom and
my dad would argue because it didn't have money. So
I kind of made an internal vow saying, well, I'm
going to make a lot of money that way. When
I get married, you know, my wife and I we
won't argue ever anything, because we'll have a lot of money.
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So I ended up going to Purdue University, got a
job working for a company that was a banking compliance
company around the United States and sold software, sold banking products,
and succeeded in doing that, and I began making a
lot of money, which I was like, well, this is great.
Didn't have that when I was growing up, but eventually
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had some challenge is in my family, challenges between my
wife and I actually as well as one of our sons,
and ultimately it led to a divorce that you know,
I did not want to go through a divorce after
about nineteen years of marriage. And then my son was
had been affected by a circumstance in his life that
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really shares from age eight to eight Dean and heart
was to change and see a lot of changes in myself.
But the Lord ended up doing that. And one night
I was in like September of two thousand and I
didn't think that that was even possible, even though I
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went to church my whole life. But the Lord said,
is it that you want out of your life? And
I told him I said, well, I thought it was money.
I wanted to be a millionaire body and I was
on my way to approaching that. But that I said,
I go, I don't have a peace. Give me peace.
(05:08):
I would really like that. If I had to make
one choice, it would be peace. If I had two choices,
I'd say peace and money. But I said, if I
don't have to choose one, i'd be peace. And then
the Lord spoke to me and he said, that's an
excellent choice. He said, that's what I will do for you.
I will give you peace. He said, I will take
away all the money that you have that you've saved up.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And I will humble you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And when I've got your heart to be my heart,
then I can trust you, and then I will use
you ultimately in a ministry and that it would grow
to being people all over the world. And I was thinking,
what is this like. I had no desire to do
ministry and much less people everywhere, so how is this
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going to happen? So I essentially made a deal of
the Lord and said, I will do that. I will
agree do whatever it takes, you know, humble me in
this process.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
And if I have to lose all the money that
I have, so be it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
As long as I can have peace, and if I
can have your heart and it'll be my heart, then
I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Then eventually that's what happened, is over time, the money
that I'd saved up a little by little went away,
and yet I was able to hear more from the Lord,
and he was able to actually deliver me, you know,
in this whole process where when I was six years old,
I was actually exposed to pornography in my school as
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I went to the bathroom and I was coming back
to a class and some boys had a dirty magazine
and they wanted me to look at it, and I
didn't know that it was a magazine that was pornography.
So I went to look at it, and I was shocked.
And that's where I started to struggle. Began that way,
and that's a big part of our ministry because there's
so many men and there's now about a third of
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women that are church goers that struggle with the pornography.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And so I struggled with that. The Lord delivered me back.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
In two thousand and eight, and then that's a big
part of you know, deliverances. We need to walk in
a more pure way than what the enemy would want
us to enemy, we want us to justify living in sin,
staying in sin. You know, Jesus came to get us
to repent and heal from those wounds and change and
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then change to walking in the fruit of the spirit.
So ultimately, when I was delivered from that, then I
was able to hear the Lord speak to me, and
he began the journey to take me from the business world,
where I was highly successful, into doing ministry. And I
had no idea what that was going to look like,
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none whatsoever, because he any kind of only shares with
you at the time things that you need. So essentially
what happened was, little by little I started hearing more
from the Lord, and he started how so many Christians,
you know, Christians that have the Holy Spirit can pray
(08:06):
in the Spirit. You know, I received that when I
was thirteen. Yet so many Christians will struggle with their flesh,
and they'll struggle with hearing thoughts in their minds that
ultimately are demonic. And you know, I was brought up
to believe that Christians couldn't have demons. But then once
I heard with my own two ears, and the Lord
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confirmed it, saying, yeah, those are actual demonic spirits that
are trying to torment you and trying to lead you
into things that will cause you to justify sinning and
staying in that sin and not changing and seeing the
fruit of the Spirit.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Then I, a little by little learned more and more.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
About how people will be tormented by thousands of thoughts.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Again from the enemy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
In fact, I learned that the National Science Foundation in
two thousand and five did a study and they found
the average person had twelve thousand thoughts a.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Day, of which eighty percent or negative.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And the Lord spoke to me and said, largely those
are coming from demonic spirits, because then they're affecting people
in the church and people that have the Holy Spirit.
That's why I give the Holy Spirit to my Christians,
so that they can hear the Lord trying to get
through to them, to speak to them about how to forgive.
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Matthew eighteen twenty one to thirty five. Jesus said, if
we don't forgive, it gave the example talking to Peter
about the man that refused to forgive, and he said,
if we don't forgive, we get turned over to the tormentors,
and we have to forgive from our hearts. So a
lot of times people don't read their Bible for themselves.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
The Lord told me.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
They hear what the pastors and the preachers preach to them,
and if they're not preaching the whole Bible, then how
are they going to receive. Well, the Holy Spirit's going
to try to get through to the people to get
them to read the Bible for themselves and to see
the truth. And so so many people have unforgiveness because
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they've been hurt and they've been wounded by their moms,
by their dads. Ninety five percent of the people have
had violations sexually sexually by the age of fourteen, either
exposure to pornography like I was exposed to, or they
were touched or molested by age fourteen. And when that happens,
they will struggle with their sexual purity. And that's why
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there's so many pastors. Fifty seven percent of pastors will
look at pornography, sixty four percent of youth pastors, seventy
five percent of men that attend church, thirty three percent
of women. And it's because they were exposed to the
sexual stuff when they were little, or they were touched
or they were molested, and they never got delivered. So
they continue to hear those thoughts and to feel those
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compulsions from largely demonic spirits that attached to their soul.
So many people don't understand that. Don't think that now demons,
you're taught that. So the truth of the matter is,
you get the Holy Spirit to help you get delivered
from the demonic spirit.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Mind. Spirit isn't going.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
To leave because they have a legal right to stay,
and they will attach to a person's soul, which is
their mind, their will, their emotions. So in a large
part you get all these negative thoughts, and a lot
of them are coming from demonic spirits. And that's why
you see so many Christians that can have the Holy Spirit,
or they may not have the Oly Spirit, but they're
still being tormented and struggling with their flesh. And when
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when you truly pursue healing and deliverance, and you're able
to forgive a person that's hurt you deeply, like your father,
your mother, stepfather's stepmother, whomever it is, from your heart,
like it says in the Bible Matthew eighteen twenty one
to thirty five, then guess what those demonic spirits lose
the rights to start to keep on speaking to you
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and tormenting you. And when we forgive others, the Bible
says Matthew six fourteen through fifty, then we are forgiven
for our sins. But there are so many Christians, many
people in the church that have not forgiven from works,
and they're still angry there and those demons in them,
thousands a day of all the bad things that were
done to them, and then that's all they talk about
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throughout the week, throughout the month, of what their father
did to them, or their mother, or their spouse or
ex spouse.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So yeah, that's good. No, no, no, that was really good.
You're sharing some valuable, valuable information. Listen, the comments are
going are going off. I can't even keep up. They
this is really some great teaching. You're very you're you're teaching.
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And so this is what this podcast is for, you know,
for tonight, you know, to to share. This is all
the things that you know he has been sharing on
his TikTok that he's been sharing on Facebook if you
haven't been following him. Deliverance is really really necessary, and
it was so shocking the numbers that you just if
(13:03):
you can reiterate those numbers about the you know, how
much deliverance is even really needed from the leaders, you know,
and the things that you know, I mean, this is
real talk. You're talking real tonight, and this is the
stuff that needs to be heard. And because we and
I'm speaking because I'm a leader, you know, So you
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know we have things, and I remember that when I
first found you on TikTok how I was like, I remember,
I said, God, I really need to deal with the
root of the situation because I can't bleed on people,
you know, in leadership and in ministry, and I don't
want to pass down trauma.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That you know, that I have from my family or
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And so, you know, looking at your tiktoks and listening
to the things that were sharing.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was really opening up and pulling.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The scales off from my eyes, like, Okay, it's time
out for pointing fingers. I gotta deal with me. It's
time to deal with me now. And it's hard as
that was, you know, I had to be transparent and
go before God and really deal with those spirits, those thoughts.
Your my mind was running one hundred miles per hour
and and and hearing those things, and and and it
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was coming from dealing with things I wasn't ready to face.
And that was going to follow me to I don't
want to say the pool pit, because I'm not in
a pool pit, but to in marketplace ministry, you know,
and bleeding on people is bleeding on people, and it
doesn't make it great, and so I'm grateful for you, know,
everything that you've been, that you that you're teaching, and
I just want to touch you know, for if you
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can touch just a little bit more on those who
deal because I walk in the deliverance ministry as well,
and when I start ministering, I really talk about trauma
in the childhood and not dealing with that and dealing
also with unforgiveness. Can you still touch on touch on that?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Absolutely? Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I've done deliverance with thousands of people around the world,
and I do it every month, uh, you know, pretty
much Monday through Friday, and I'm busy. We're getting of
two hundred requests a week now from all over the world.
And it's because people that struggle with their hurts and
their wounds from childhood that will follow them into their
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adult lives and they can ask Jesus into their heart.
They can get saved, they can receive the Holy Spirit.
That's great. They need to, you know, pray in the spirit.
That's awesome. I've received that when I was thirteen. But
just because I received my par language and I was
praying in the spirit didn't mean that the demons still
didn't have rights to torment me because of what happened
to me when I was six. You know, I was
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exposed to pornography and I couldn't stop. And it's very addictive,
and I can. I have compassion now for people that
struggle that want to be delivered from that. A lot
of them want to, but I've heard. I mean, there's
a lady that had a son that was a teenager
here in Dallas, and she went to her pastor, can
you help him? He wants to get delivered from looking
at pornography, and the pastor said, no.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That's normal.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Everyone does that, That's okay. So people are justifying at
the highest level of churches sin and that is not
what Jesus came to do. So again, in people's lives,
we get hurt, we get wounded when we're children because
we're innocent. So that's why ninety five percent, by the
age of fourteen, ninety five percent of people in the
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world have either been exposed, exposed to pornography, or touched
or molested. Now, of course we'll also get hurt and
wounded by emotional wounds by fathers, by mothers who never
got their wounds healed. So I've heard everything. I've heard
all those stories, horrendous things that happened to people. And
all it takes is a father that wasn't even there,
that was you felt emotionally distant from, who never said
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he loved you, who never encouraged you. What Some of
the most common feelings that people will get that are
hurtful and wounded that will allow them on e spirits
to torment their soul throughout their lives are rejection. They
felt rejected from their father, They felt rejected from their mother,
or a stepfather or a stepmother, or a whole bunch
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of other people in their life. Because that's what typically
will follow them as they have dating relationships, as they
get married, they'll feel rejected, rejected, rejected. Other things that
they'll feel is I don't feel good enough, I don't
feel worthy. I hear that all the time, and it's
because the person that's treating them that way, they're healed,
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they're not delivered. They felt that way. And so when
I'm taking a person through a session, and again this
is in my book Freedom from Soul Wounds and Demons,
It's on Amazon. I wrote in there so that people
can help walk themselves through deliverance from those hurts and wounds,
and it seems so important to get the soul wounds healed.
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Is what I'll do is, let's say their father hurt them,
and I'll ask them, do you know how your father
got hurt? And a lot of times they don't even
think about that, like, well, no, I don't know, or no,
he was just mean. He was horrible to me and
and I hate him and I'm angry at him, and
I'm bitter and he caused me to feel stupid.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
And dumb and good enough.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Well, then when they take a time to pause, I'll
have the Lord speak to them and show how their
father was hurt if they.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Don't know it.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Most times they don't because fathers aren't as expressive as mother's.
And when the Lord reveals to them and shows them that, hey,
guess what, your father was hurt by his father deeply,
or your father was hurt by his mother mother was
very controlling, very manipulative and demanding, or the father was
exposed to sexual things. Then what happens is in their heart,
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instead of being angry and bitter with all the horrible
things that were done to them, it starts to change
to where they now have a little bit of compassion
for the person that abused them, kind of like Jesus
when he's dying on the cross and he said, Father,
forgive them. They know not what they do right before
he died. And so when you start to have a
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little compassion instead of the anger hatred, then what I
do is say, Okay, now I want you to say,
I choose to forgive my father for causing me to feel.
And this is where it gets real. They think now,
oftentimes the very first time, how they felt. They've never
verbalized that. I'm like, let's just go through that list.
How did they cause you to feel? Because that's where
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the demonic spirits will have legal rights to attach to
them when they're little, when they're young, and then stay
attached to them after they be my Christian because they
still have anger, unforgiveness, and bitterness after the fact. That's
what the Holy Spirit's trying to get through to them
is to say, you need to forgive them from your heart,
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like it talks about in Matthew eighteen twenty one to
thirty five. So at that point they give, they can
remember back, well, how did my dad cause me to feel?
He made me feel worthless. He made me feel rejected,
he made me feel betrayed, made me feel not good enough.
He made me feel stupid, dumb, angry, bitter. I wished
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he died, you know, all these things. And then they
give all those emotions to Jesus and ask him to
heal him, or ask them to heal them. And then
I take authority as a deliverance minister, and I just
simply command every demonic spirit that attached to their soul
to go to the pit in Jesus' name. And then
they take a couple of deep breaths, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Like, how do you feel.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
They're like, wow, I feel lighter. Ah, this is crazy.
I feel so much better. It's like a weight's been
lifted off me. I'm like, yeah, it's because those demonic
spirits have been on you since you were hurt and wounded,
you know, as a four year old, five year old,
six year old, as you were growing up. And so
then we go on to the next wound. Get that healed.
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How'd your mother treat you? Or get the sexual wounds healed?
Or get the bullying. A lot of people have been
bullied when they were in school or by neighbors. And
when we choose to forgive, like the Bible says, then
we're the ones that get forgiven. So you don't have
to go to the person that hurt and wounded you
and say, hey, I'm going to forgive you. You know,
if the Lord tells you to do that, you can
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do that. But in most cases, a person that's abused
to you or hurt you, they're just gonna laugh at
your They're not going to say anything because they're not
delivered themselves. So you can see that in the privacy
of your own home. Just say, I choose to forgive,
and I give to the Lord all those toxic emotions
that they felt, and he asked Jesus to heal you
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and then take authority command the demonic spirits to go.
So as they get those wounds healed, they feel very
light by the end of the session, and they're like, Wow,
I feel like all the stuff that happened to me
now almost like it didn't happen, you know, And I
can remember the generalities, but why do I don't feel
angry anymore, I don't feel bitter anymore. And I'm like, yeah,
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that's called deliverance. And then you matter of taking thoughts
captive from the demons that try to give you all
those thoughts to remind you of all the bad things.
And what I teach is just saying I silence the
voice of the enemy in Jesus' name. It took me
five to six months to practice after the Lord delivered
me to take the thoughts captive from the demons, and
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then they stopped. And it's been since two thousand ten
since I've heard. So it's been what is that fourteen
years ago since the last time I heard a demonic
spirit try to get me to feel condemned or angry
or bitter. I don't have those thoughts anymore. Well, most
Christians still do because they've never gone through any type
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of a true forgiveness. Now there's some that have, some
that have absolutely, but most people in the church have not.
And most people in the church have been lied to
and said that they can't be struggling with demonic spirits.
So what do you do when you get thousands of
the thoughts today? When you go to the doctor, you
go to your psychiatrist, psychologists, and you cannot medicate out
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a demonic spirit as legal rights to stay. And it's
interesting because the Lord's been having me do some ministry
now with psychologists and psychiatrists and medical doctors and therapists
because they want to know this, because they're like, this
is life changing, major life changing where maybe you need
to reread from all that format.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, this is this is really good. I know you
said a little bit. For those who are just tuning in,
he has shared a mouthful. Please share the video if
you haven't. If you're listening on iHeartRadio Apple podcasts, please
share the link as this is some he even did
a deliverance session. This is some good information that he
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has been sharing. I know you talked a little bit
about what brought you to the deliverance ministry, and so
I want for those who are just turn it in,
if you could just reiterate what brought you to the
deliverance ministry and what words of wisdom do you have
for those.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Who are called to the deliverance ministry as well.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, All the Lord has told me this over
and over again is that experience is the best teacher,
although can be the most painful. So you know, here
I am. I grew up on a farm, I went
to a Purdue university. You got a job at a
very the leading banking compliance company, and then later on
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internet banking software company, did very well, successful business wise,
but had no clue about spiritual warfare and how demons
can attach and attack Christians and how it looks and
all that. So ultimately I had my oldest son had
a neighbor boy in our neighborhood that did some things
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he should n't have, showed him some things he shouldn't have,
and then he basically changed rather dramatically and became very
mean and very controlling, and just his whole personality change
at age eight, and then from.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Age eight to age eighteen.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
For ten years, he just got worse and we couldn't
really function very well as a family, and we put
him in Christian counselings. I spent thousands of dollars, and
I learned that you cannot medicate out demonic spirits. And
then finally the Lord brought to me a guy from
southern California that taught me about deliverance, and he said, listen,
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your son is a mess because he's hearing these demonic
thoughts all day long and he can't turn it off,
and he doesn't know it, but he sure can't function
very easily, and that's why he's so you know, angry
and anti social and oppositional.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
And all that stuff. So I'm like, well, how do
I get him free?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
And he's like, well, just learn to take authority, command
the demonic stuff to go, because that's what's happening to him.
I'm like, well, he'll never let me pray for him.
You know, he's mean, he's awful to me and treats
his brother and sister poorly, and his mom poorly. And
so he said, well, just ask him if you can
pray for him.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
That's all you need.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's the open door that you can take at that
point for his approval. Ask him if you can pray
for him. If he says yes, then take authority, command
them to go. And so that's what I did. And
it was a shock to me because I asked if
I could pray for him. I didn't think he'd say yes,
but I tried everything. I was desperate, and he said
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yes that I could pray for him. So I just
put my hands on his shoulder and he bowed his head.
It was actually in my car, in my garage, and
I just said, I command every spirit that's not of
a lord to go to the pit in Jesus' name
and I release peace over your mind. And then I
kept my eyes open because I wanted to see if
there demons that would fly out.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Like.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Did it work? Lord? I'm like, how do I know?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
And the Lord said you'll know, and so I'm like, okay.
So then he thanked me and he left, and so
then I just went to bed. And then the next
day I went to go out to mow the grass,
which is something he hadn't done for years, and he
never willingly did it.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
So I'm about.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Halfway done with more in the grass and he comes
walking out of the house says, hey, Dad, can I
finish more in the grass for you? I'm like shocked.
I'm thinking, are you kidding me? Who is this? And
they said, oh, also, I want to get a haircut
and apply for a job at Burger King And he
had gotten fired from Kroger because you wouldn't listen to
them because he was still under the influence of the
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demonic spirits that I didn't know he had. And so
I said sure, So I gave him the mower. I
go in the house. He starts it up. He starts
to mow the grass and then I follow on my
knees and I start crying.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
And I'm like, what happened? You got your son back?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
And I'm like, are you kidding me? Ten years I
went through ten years of hell. I said, why didn't
you tell me this like nine and a half years ago?
And he said, because this is going to be a
major part of your future ministry that I'm going to
take you into.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And you had to walk this out personally.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Because there's so many parents that have had children that
have been hurt and wounded and then dramatically changed and
they have demonic influences in their lives, and the only
way can truly get delivered is through deliverance. You can't
put medication into a person that's struggling with these mental
disorders that they call in which the mental disorders are
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largely demonic interference. And so it's important for people to understand.
And so as I learned that, I saw my first
miracle basically as my son changed like that, and I
kept waiting for him to come back to being the
former son that I had and he never did, and
I'm like, this is crazy. And so then you know,
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little by little the Lord led me into more.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Experiences.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I had experience with an ex wife that I saw
a behavior that was not consistent with what you know
a Christian should be and I needed deliverance myself.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So the Lord was able to take.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Me through that, and then when I changed, then that's
when I was able to pray for my son. And
then little by little, the Lord started bringing me people
that needed healing and deliverance, and his large part they
were all from the church. So that's proof that we
really shouldn't lead people through healing and deliverance unless they
are a professing Christian, because as Jesus said, that deliverance
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is the children's bread, those who are the believers, and
that's who should be taken through that. You know, of
a person's committed to the Lord, then we can take
them through deliverance. But everyone, everyone's been hurt and wounded.
Everyone is just what extent and when we're healed and delivered?
How do you know when you're healed and delivered? I
get that question a lot. I'm like, well, you're going
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to see the changes in Galatians five sixteen through twenty
six from the flesh, and it says if you regularly
practice the things of the flesh. You're not going to
inherit the kingdom of God. So those are sexual things.
Those are jealousy, selfishness, you know, gossip, slander, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
And then when we.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Are healed and delivered, were then a walk in the
the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,
and self control, and will also walk into humility and
sexual purity.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
That's how you know when you're delivered. And then you
can hear the Lord clearly, take the thoughts captive from
any demonic spirits trying to speak to you, and then
you can come into your fullness of the calling that
the Lord has in your life. And then you'll treat
people like Jesus did. You won't treat your spouse in
a mean way, you won't try to hurt them and
control them. You'll treat your children with love. You'll be patient,
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you know, you'll sacrifice, you'll lay your life down for others.
And so that's the difference between a delivered Christian and
one that's not. One that's not will still struggle with
the flesh in a large way, and then the demons
will try to cause them to justify that behavior and say, oh, no,
that's just the way you are and you're fine. So
they never truly forgive people that have hurt them, because
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that gives legal rights to the demons to torment pride.
Pride is a huge thing, which you can read about
Job of chapter forty one, the Leviathon spirit, people that
struggle with pride.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
There's a demonic spirit called Leviathon.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Actually just talked about that today and I'm going to
describe characteristics of people that struggle with that, and it's
going to confirm for you a lot of people that
you know in your life, because a lot of people
have a very strong level of pride. You get that
when you're hurt and wounded as a child, and when
you grow.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Up, it starts to speak to you.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
In fact, in Job forty one thirty four, it says
it's King over all the children of Pride. So children,
that's when we get hurt and wounded as children, and
then that spirit starts to speak to us, and then
it causes wants us to believe that it's for us
when it's not, and it will puff us up with
pride and tell us all of our decisions are the best,
and you can't trust anybody else. And so people that
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struggle with the Leviathon spirit, I'm going to name off
the characteristics because there's so.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Many that have this.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
They're going to prideful, they're not going to see it
in themselves. A lot of them are in the church.
They'll have a false humility. They're good at acting, they're humble,
but they're not truthfully and they oftentimes when you read
about Leviathon it it sounds like it's a c type monster.
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And in reality a lot of times people get dreams
of alligators because the Lord's trying to reveal to them
to search what the biblical symbol of an alligator is,
and it's really the Leviathon spirit, says the rows of
scales or its pride, and it has lots of teeth.
So when an alligator clamps onto its prey, it twists
and twists to wear them out. So if you know
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people that will twist it's words, twist what was said,
Twist the facts of what happened the day before, Twist
what they said to make themselves look good, Twist.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
What you said to make you look bad.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
That's a telltale sign they're dealing with that spirit of Leviathon.
It also it'll also attach to us typically in our
spine and our neck and cause back pain, neck pain,
and headaches. And you can go to the chiropractor all
day long and you won't get healed from that until
you repent for your pride, until you forgive people for
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hurting you.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
If you try to read the Bible, it will be
to sleep. If you try to go to sleep, it
will keep you awake, so you can't have dreams from
the Lord.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
So it really causes a lot of havoc in a person,
and you can get delivered from it, but you have
to forgive those who hurt you from your heart. You
have to repent for your pride and then you can
command levithon go. We see thousands of people every month
that are getting delivered from Lebiason.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
So.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
It's good you guys if you haven't listen. He has
about thirteen books on Amazon. When I saw it, I
was like, Wow, I gotta go get the books. Over
thirty king books on Amazon. Please connect with him and
this is one of the things I wanted to touch
with in your bio. He has trained over five hundred
people in fifteen different countries in deliverance ministry, and he
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has deliverance centers as well. So this is you're doing
an amazing work in the kingdom. I have to bring
him back for a part two. There's no way because
I mean there's no way, you guys. But in the meantime,
I definitely want you. I'm going to allow him to
say how you can connect with him. Please follow him
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his teachings. He backs it up with the word of God.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
He teaches.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He's an amazing teacher. If you're struggling, it's okay. You
don't have to put it in the commiss I have
to do that, but reach out and get the help.
You know, it's okay. It's time to go and get
delivered and be set free. And you know, we don't
want to be held back, and you know any longer
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or struggling or holding on to stuff that happened. Really seriously,
when you're you could be forty years old and still
living out a six year old life because of the trauma.
And so it's time really to get free and we
all seek deliverance, right and so please.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Connect with him.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
But I'm going to allow him to inter to say
how you guys can stay connected with him and please
be looking forward to a part two. I know it's
gonna have to be.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
They can go out to my website restored to freedom
dot com r E s t O r E d
t O freedom dot com. They can also go out
to my link tree and just search for Nelson Schumann
s C h U M A N. They can also
call three one seven four or five nine seven zero
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nine one and but yeah, link tree has a whole
bunch of great links to like my books. And of
course you can go to Amazon and search for Nelson Schumann.
The book the latest book that's helping people get hill
and deliverance called Freedom from Soul, Wounds and Demons, and
you can get that on Amazon and paperback, Kindle, an Audible,
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and I'm the one that reads it to you on Audible.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So sweet.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
That's amazing, Listen. I saw that his books is in
different languages.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I love that. Reaching Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
But and I don't want to forget he has a
school as well, definitely open for booking, you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I know when I already told him before I even
asked him to be on the podcast, I said, when
I have a conference.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I need you to come, I need you to share.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It's so much wisdom, so much wisdom and actually having
to go through it, not just teaching informational stuff, but
he's had experience with this in his life and operating
in the true anointing and power of God, and so
I'm thankful for you. Don't forget about his books, the
deliverance centers. Did you want to touch a base about
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that for any Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, you can go out to our website Restored to
Freedom dot com and you can click on We have
people all over the world that have gone through a
certification through our ministries that you can reach out to
locally to take you through a session. Again, I still
do personal sessions for people, So if anybody's interested in
that's go out to contact me on the website and
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then complete that. And then we also have various churches
and ministry centers around the country that you can go
to locally for a physical place if you want to
go to. Again, the people I take through sessions, about
ninety five percent of them I do on Zoom or phone.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Calls or Skype or WhatsApp.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Again, I deal with people all over the world, so
I'm booked out for several weeks, but anyone that would
be interested you can get If you've got to link
tree and search for Nelson Schumann, you'll be able to
see where you can click on the personal session request
there too.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
So yes, and I think he's local close to Dallas, Texas.
So if you're local in that area, yes, please reach out.
If you're not, again, he does virtual. I know deliverance
is a topic that people don't like to talk about,
as you say, especially growing up in like those religious homes.
You know, we don't they don't believe in demons and
you don't get demons and all of that kind of stuff,
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and so I know it's a touchy topic, but deliverance
is necessary.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It's very necessary.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
And so hearing those numbers again just blew my mind,
like I can't wait to go back and even catch
to replay myself. And so thank you for sharing tonight.
Is there anything that you want to share with our
guests until next time, because I know it's going to
be a next time.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Just essentially, if if if you've never gone through any
type of inner healing and deliverance, you will most likely
be struggling with peace in your life. And so that's
a telltale sign that you probably need some wounds that
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need to be healed. You need to forgive. How do
you do that, Well, again, you can follow our ministry.
We talk about that a lot, and we lead people
through that process. And there's pride that's always in the way.
So there's a lot of things that would stop and
impede a Christian from having peace. And if you get
all these negative thoughts all day long, that's a telltale
sign those are demonic spirits. You need to take those
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thoughts captive and just say I silenced the voice of
the enemy in Jesus name. And so that's what I
would say to most all Christians is when you are
healed and delivered, you have a lot of joy, You
have a lot of fruit of the spirit. You love people.
It's not what you can get from them, it's what
you can do for them. And you lose your selfishness
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and you become selfless, you become more like Christ. Christ
actually abides in you, which is what.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
We're supposed to have.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
And Christ doesn't want to abide when we've got demonic
spirits that are still struggling that we continue to listen
to and obey. You know, that's that's fine. When we
come to Christ, we are obviously struggling with sin and
so forth. But when we held and delivered, sin becomes
rare in our lives and we have the fruit of
the spirit, and we love people. It's a wonderful life,
(40:18):
you know at that point.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
So all right, thank you doctor Nelson for coming on
and sharing. I do thank you for your time and
everything you shared tonight. The People are blessed.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
For those who are just tuning in again on Facebook,
please share. If you're catching the replay, hashtag hashtag replay
in the comments. If you're on Google, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio,
any of our major platforms, please share the link with someone.
The people are blessed on tonight, and I thank you
for sharing everything that you shared on tonight. And don't
(40:51):
forget to connect with him. If you're on Facebook, I'm
going to tag his name in the comments. Also, I
will tag his website and everything, so you can just
click it from here. And then, of course, if you
guys were listening, please write down. Please don't drive and write,
but pull over listen if you're on the podcast to
figure out how you can follow him and catch you know,
(41:14):
all his information, everything that he's doing with his.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
School, with tiktoks.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
With YouTube, everything he's on major platforms influencing and helping
others to get free.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
And I thank you doctor Nelson for your time again.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
My name is doctor Francis and Bailey And as I
always say, I believe the first step and having a
purpose sales to realize that what you're facing isn't greater
than Gud's purpose. And until next time, thank you all
for tuning in
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