Damn You Hollywood: The Toxic Avenger (2023 film)

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Whorad for Hollywood, where stars are living large inn mansions
with their servants and their credit cards and charge with fame.
That's fleeting, but the egos never change. Where everyone's a
genius except the ones.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Who really arrange.

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whispered secret is a new tabloids. Tell oh, how we
adore the endless red cockpit tooray for Hollywood, where less
is always more.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Good Evening, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of
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your host, Robert Winfrey.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yay, yay.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Robert. He only talks to God when he needs a
favor of Winfrey.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
That is distinctly not true.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Robert hurt himself today to see if he could feel Winfrey.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Now my self harm has nothing to do with a
desire to continue feeling Robert.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
She thinks my tract is sexy Winfrey. No Robert fred
soolo cup Winfree.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Not even close. I could go on, then you could.
Would you like to continue?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Robert? He was a highwayman.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
You've managed. Okay, that's the closest thing to accurate you've
been all night. So let's just go with.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
That one, Robert the highwayman. Perfect.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
It's not accurate, but it's the closest you've been to accurate.
So we'll just instead of twenty minutes of this until
we get to something actually correct, we'll go with the
closest you've gotten to correct and we'll just move on.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
All right. Uh So tonight we last Thursday, we did
all four of the Toxic Avenger movies, gearing up for
the re release, and there's all kinds of things we
could have done. We could have done quote stealing, we
could have done the roses. We could have gone back
and done Freaky Yar Friday. I could have not let

(03:07):
Alexis do weapons and done weapons. But here we are
doing a little independent film that finally got its wide release,
and we are nothing if not fans of the independent
film genre here supporters even so, tonight we are looking
at The Toxic Avenger twenty twenty three. Actually like it's
just now making its national debut, but it was released

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on the independent circuit in twenty twenty three, and it
was written and directed by Macan Blair. It is the
fifth installment in a reboot kind of of the Toxic
Avenger film series, a remake kind of of the nineteen
eighty four film. It stars Peter Dinklice alongside Jacob Tremblay,
Taylor Page, Juliet Davis, Johnny Coin, Elijah Wood, and the

(03:54):
great Kevin Bacon. How much you know about Toxic Avenger stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
You might think that, given that I don't mind a
certain level of b monster movie body horror kind of thing,
that that's a that is a couple of genres that
I tend to enjoy. Yeah, I don't care for the
Toxic Avenger movies.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Have you seen all four of them or just the one?
Or are you weird? And like saw like the third
one and only the third one.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I don't remember I've given I gave them kind of
a fair shake, because logically this should work for me. Yeah,
it doesn't. It just misses me.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
So having seen all four of these, I can name
about one hundred reasons why you wouldn't like these.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I have plenty of reasons not. That's the thing with
these kinds of movies. There's always a million reasons.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Not too sure.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
What's surprising is I couldn't find enough reasons to enjoy it,
which normally for this kind of a movie, that's what
you do. Yeah, again, there's a million things wrong with it,
but what is? But here's why it's here's why it works,
Here's what works about it, Here's what's good about it.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
In my experience with the four from last week, I
really liked the first one. I wish they'd stopped. But
lizard Brain seems to be the prevailing wisdom of the culture,
and because something works the first time and is popular,
they keep doing it. As I said on the Long
Road to Ruin, their motif seems to have been their

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modus operandi, their way of thinking. A lot of people
really like this first one. We have a hit on
our hands. Let's see if we can make this even
a wider appeal and lose what made the first one
so good In the first place, and then it's like, okay, well,
we we've lost the young lads, so how are we
going to get them back? Double down everything from the
first one? Oh, you kind of want a porn parody, Yes,

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that's what I'll bring the boys back. And it's like, okay, well,
this isn't what made the first one good either. It's
like it's like they they it's like they hit the
it's like they hit the right pitch once it could
never find it again. And this, this one that we're
gonna talk about tonight's an interesting one. It is the
Toxic Event. I don't want to see the Toxic Engine

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in name only because there's a lot about it that
is very much like the first one, so updated from
modern times that it also doesn't seem to know why
the first one worked as well as it did, to
the point that I'm starting to wonder, is this a
dead brand because it only worked in the window of

(06:37):
time it came out in once? You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
If you wanted to update the Toxic Avenger, you could
do it, but you need the right people involved, and
none of the right people are involved in this.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I'll tell you what I read read through the production notes.
They seem to think they had the right people here,
Like they like reading through some of the production wiki,
they're of the opinion this works just fine.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Uh they would be.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Those people are full holes. I tell you.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Look, I'm gonna give you a little like preview of
my craft thing here.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, do that, and then just go into the plots.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
If you like the Toxic if you like the Toxic
Avenger movies, you'll probably like this just fine. If you don't, well, they.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Got some decent actors for this. I mean people obvious.
They had enough name actors that they're not taking it
for the paycheck. They're taking it because they believe in
what they were doing. The only one that maybe borderline
with that is the black chick that's in this. But
she was in the Beverly Hills cop movie. I don't
think she needed this gig. She clearly thought she was

(07:53):
in something that she thinks would lend some kind of
punk rock credibility to her acting.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Look, Peter Dinklage is only here because he's desperately trying
to resuscitate his image into something not quite as self
serious and pretentious as he is.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's fair. This is the same guy that was in Pixels,
so I did. Is that the arc here is like
he was fining pixels and then he somehow became unbearable,
and now we're back to he's trying to get to
find again pixels.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I think he made Pixels before Game of Thrones, or
like he shot it before before Game of Thrones, like
blew up. Yeah, and then yeah, he got pretentious and
he got like, no, I don't think you should make
I don't think you should use dwarf actors for the
seven Dwarves and snow White.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, there's a subject. I think he has since come
out and said I shouldn't have said anything.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's usually the truth.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, Peter Dinklice, he's the the I don't even know
what we're calling these people these days. Yeah, he's the
dwarf factor that was on Game of Thrones. That's what
he's most famous for. But he's done a whole bunch
of other roles.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Oh yeah, he's been. He's been acting for a long time.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Like this, She asking me if he's the one in Elf.
I don't remember if Peter includes a elf or not.
Yes he is, Okay, he is, Oh, that's right, he
gets he's the one that gets like mad about the
whole thing. Yeah, okay, yes that's him. I everyone's like,
oh Christmas movies. You like Christmas movies, we should watch else,
we should watch Elf. And I would rather eat a gun.

(09:41):
I can't stand it.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I would rather French of Howard, Sir.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
That's awesome. I turned that into us into a frodate
ovolo song.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
I'm sure you could.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
All right, go ahead, yeah, go ahead and do the
what's not?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
So we follow Peter Dinklidge. He is a single father,
a single stepfather, because he kind of got attached to
a girl and she died and it was sad, and
she left a teenage son, which is sadder. And they're
in this rundown town there's and he works for this

(10:22):
giant snake oil company run by Kevin Kevin Bacon, the
Great Kevin Bacon. Yes, who's in hawk to the mob
because he sells nothing, but he kind of fanangled his
way to a degree of success. Yeah, and now it's

(10:46):
all now, the whole house of cards is collapsing around
him and he doesn't know what to do. And Peter
Dinklage that so the Mob's trying to take over a
lot of places. Peter Dinklage gets told he has brain cancer.
We don't actually know what he has because when they
try to give him the diagnosis, construction noise overrides the
specific verbiage.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
There's a funny gag all twice that they did it.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I'm glad they didn't run that into the ground.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yes, it's not like the screaming goats from thor. It's
amazing what happened. It's amazing that this movie, this fucking movie,
the Toxic Avenger unrated, with the swirling penis and the
corrupted toxic penis that Pease his way out of being
chained up, has more self control than Taikawaddi.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I'm sure that there are porn directors with more self
restraint than Taikawatit. I can guarantee you there are. Yes,
you could anyway. So he's told, you know, there is
a treatment for this, but it's a very expensive maybe
your health plan will cover it. So he calls the

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HMO that he has.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's the most believable part of the movie.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
There's only like four things I laughed at in this movie,
but him going talk to a representative, Are you a provider?
Talk to a human damn you, and then being told, well,
you've got platinum, you've got the platinum coverage which doesn't
actually cover everything below it and won't cover this, but

(12:23):
if you had this other coverage and oh god. So
he then decides to rob his employer, so he take
also we open the movie with a flashback to a
journalist trying to expose this company for its terrible environmental practices,

(12:45):
shady business dealing and whatnot, and he's got a whistleblower
from the inside, but they're attacked by slip Knot.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
And everything they did in this movie, let me tell you.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
And they kill the journalist and the whistleblower escapes with
a modicum of information, not enough though, so she's breaking
back into the facility for a more hard proof of
their wrongdoings, and Peter Dinklice comes running out of the
building with a bag full of cash. They run into
each other and his money gets messed up and they

(13:25):
both get chased now by the Wu Tang clan, who
are just they're doing security because Elijah Wood thought it
would be a good idea to hire the crappy band
he reps to do the wetwork for this shady business.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yes, the mushroom Head is both a band and a
assassination group.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
So Peter Dinkles gets shot in.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
I can do that too, See, I can come up
with band with multiple people in them.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
So Peter Dinkleins gets shot in the face by Infected Mushroom. Sure,
okay it's another band. Oh okay, have you not heard
of infected mushroom anyway?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I honestly thought you were just sucking up mushroom headed
And I'm just like, I just said it.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
No, I was rifting off what you said.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Gotcha, gotcha?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
So Pety Bankle's get shot in the face and he
and his weaponized mop are thrown into the big pool
of toxic sludge, where he becomes the Toxic Avenger, maybe
the worst looking iteration of the Toxic Avenger. And I
don't mean that in the good way.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I'm glad they kept him in the tutu though. Okay,
that that's a bit from So. In the first Toxic Avenger,
the Pretty Lady tricks Melvin into wearing a tutu because
she tells him if you do this, I'll sleep with you.
And she's pretty, so he wants to and he comes.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
With a teenage boy so yes.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
And then he comes strutting into frame in this tutu.
But then the people in the gym see him and
he is harassed and embarrassed, and they some and he
dives out a window into toxic waste that happened to
have been in front of the gym as opposed to this,
which is the origin of the joker.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Sort of. Yeah, so he rises as the Toxic Avenger.
He yanks the goes back home and tries to talk
to his son sort of. But he looks like a mutant.
It looks like buff Gollum. Yeah. If Gollum got on

(15:30):
the got on the good gear. Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Gollumn on the juice.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, if Vince McMahon created the Gollumn character, you'd get
this version of the Toxic Avenger. That's correct, complete with
deformed penis. Is not a thing I wanted to say.
But he then fights the mob boss's son, yanks his
arm off, runs away into the night, find some weird

(15:59):
old man living in a toxic waste dump that used
to be a nature preserve, decides he will become the
Toxic Avenger. So he goes back into town and he
finds a group of idiots holding up a burger joint
allah falling down, and he violently murders them, and he

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is hailed as a hero.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
My kids were still because this is right out of
the first Toxic Avenger. My kids were still afraid they
were going to kill the dog again or hurt the
blind lady.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Again, it's not the nineteen eighties, and this isn't this
isn't trauma of the This isn't eighties trauma.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
You go with the other thing. My kids were like,
do you think they'll kill a kid in this one?
And I'm like, no, it's twenty twenty five, not nineteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Seven, much as they should have No, they won't. So
he's hailed as a hero. And right about now, the
again the mob is harassing Kevin Bacon, and Kevin Bacon goes, wait,
look at that, Look at that little little freaky than
that looks like the little guy that tried to rob
us and accosted me and hit me up for help

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with his insurance health with his health insurance problems. And
he's been mutated, and look at him. He's super strong,
he's got all this great stuff. This will be the
biological breakthrough that will save my company. So capture him
and we will experiment on him and it'll be great. Well,
unlock the secrets of mutation and no one will turn

(17:25):
into Magneto because that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Or Toad or any of the more locks.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, we'll just get the more locks. So there's a
few scenes where people are trying to catch the Toxic Avenger.
He sort of talks with the whistleblower and they half
formulate a plan and then like all like everyone has
wanted to do so, oh no, his kid gets kidnapped
is kind of the big thing. His son is kidnapped,

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taken to chud manor chud Haven, chud Haven, thank you,
and the Toxic Avenger. Before going to rescue his son, decides,
if I'm gonna die doing this, I'm gonna live out
everyone's fantasy. So he goes to a small music festival
that's basically a county fair and he violently murders the
insane clown posse on stage, grabs the mic as he

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approaches and says, no, I'm not down with the clown.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
But what he actually says is, Senator, you've got to
do better, because even in the Toxic Avenger movie, people
think that just you know, doing a heartfelt speech will
solve the problem.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
So, yeah, he makes a bunch of baseless he makes
a bunch of unsubstantiated accusations against this company, and this
is enough to spur movement from people.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
So then he charges towards chud Haven in the movie,
easily easily. So he goes towards chud Haven, and he
he gets captured because of course he does. And then
while they're being captured, they experiment on him and they're
trying to get it right and they can't quite get

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the mutagenet the mutagenic thing done properly, but they get
close enough that when the mobsters show up to threaten
to murder Kevin Bacon, Kevin Bacon goes, you know what,
ell risk it any downs a bunch of this stuff
and it mutates him into rampis, yeah, kind of crampis.

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So he kills the mobsters, and then his wife drinks
some of this and turns intotein hell on a bottom carter. Sure,
and right about then, the toxic Avenger gets free by
urinating all over the chains that hold him because his
piss is caustic. He frees the whistleblower, who gets all

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the information she needs. We got a big fight scene.
His son is briefly thought to be dead on screen,
but you know not in this movie.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
He is saved by groomer worm Tongueho's played by Elijah Wood.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
He's saved by the penguin. Yep, Elijah Wood is Danny
DeVito playing the penguin. Yes, and again we get our
big fight sequence. Kevin Bacon takes a toilet bowl to
the groin. There's a bunch of stuff and there's a
big explosion. Everyone's okay. Toxi comes to in the in

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a private hospital where he's told that whatever messed all
of you up, it clearly cured your brain. Jackhammer, whatever's
going on up there is not a problem anymore. You're
in perfect health, apart from your hideous physical deformities like
the eye that just keeps falling out.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yes, so he can also like move around like a
uh not a telesc a periscope.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Well, as long as you don't separate the optic nerve
that tracks. So he reunites with his kid. They've got
a good relationship. Now everybody's happy, and the Evil Company
is brought down and the toxic avenger Remain is now

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a hero to the people of this pissant city. And
what do they call it, Saint Roma because we're playing
on trauma in the original's traumatown Tromovil. Yeah, and now
he's a hero to these people despite being a hideous, malformed.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
And multiple murderer, violent like.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Not even not even trying to hide it, like he
killed the insane clown Posse at an event there there
were at least a dozen people there watching that.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
There were children, all right, So this is not bad.
It's actually one of the better written movies I've seen
this year in terms of I'm not talking about necessarily
like comparing it to Notice or something like that, Like
I'm not comparing it to what's going to be what's

(22:18):
going to be nominated for Oscars. I'm saying there were
no there were not a lot of logical inconsistencies. The
characters actually have some degree of depth to them, even
like the whistleblower. She actually she's actually kind of a
fun character. She plays off Peter Tinklich really really well.

(22:39):
She's not shrill. They didn't girl boss her up. She struggles,
you know, she has to be saved by the toxic
Avenger in a very funny bit because he's like, all right,
I gotta pull my dick out and she's just looking
at that could have been handled so poorly, and as
his most up moments with someone yells, I gotta pull
my dick out off if.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
He looks at her dead pan and goes, I'm not
a pervert.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, it's you know, and and she all credit to
her acting and the way that scene is written. She's
just like, as long as you don't cross a boundary here,
I'm fine with this whatever it is you're planning to do.
And she sees that she's melting the chains with his
piss so and then he's just like, Okay, now that
I'm free, I'll have better aim. And her fucking delivery

(23:22):
of that line, oh no, I have Like again, I
don't know, I don't think she's a comedian, but she
has some really funny deliveries in this. I have to
give her a lot of credit. Peter Dinklich is fine.
Peter Dinklitch is a you know, classically trained actors. Generally,
he can do like I said, he his range is
fucking pixels to Game of Thrones to this, so you know,

(23:43):
sometimes he can be very funny and sometimes he can
be you know, uh Shakespearean.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
You know, we both like to yell everything.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, so I actually think he did a good job
as the main character. Kevin Bacon is as good here
as he was in Maxine. He so slimy and awful.
He's a lot of fun to watch. Even you know,
Elijah Wood it doesn't have like a big role in this,
but like as again the penguin penguin slash grime or

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worm Tongue, he actually brings a bit of sympathy to
that character. Like I kind of felt bad that he
gets messed up in the end, so as much as
bad many bad things he did, I laughed hard at
the band. I think that they're like the frying Nuns
or something like that. They were so dumb and they
were they were intentionally like over the top, like violent
and hilarious.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh their metal core.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
But the one but the Dancer made me laugh the hardest,
like at one point, because what what this movie does,
which comes right out of the old trauma films, is
there's somebody always ad r yelling off screen. So at
one point he's flipping and there's somebody just yelled stop
flipping at him. Now there's a bit where he actually
flips too far or something. Yeah, somebody yells out no

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park or at one point he did a lot of
fun stuff there.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
His death being that he's like break dances, misses his attack,
and then keeps going until he falls into something that explodes.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Right, So all that stuff is good. The plot line
is fine. I actually here's what I wanted to really
talk about. The first Toxic Avenger is a horror movie
for all intents and purposes. A bullied man gets gets
bullied to his own incidental suicide, falls into toxic waste,

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and then takes revenge on the town that hurt him.
The only thing that kind of saves him is love.
He finds a blind woman kind of like again I
mentioned this last week, like the thing. He finds a
blind woman who sees the beauty inside and that calms
him down a bit. But basically, this whole town is
just full of fucking awful people and he's killing them
as many as as he can get his hands on.

(25:51):
That's kind of the whole Toxic Avenger. Now, it happens
to be that in a lot of like I said,
a lot of his cases, he's killing a lot of
bad guys. And then the kind of some total of
the Toxic Avenger is trauma, and this becomes a recurring
theme throughout the next three movies. So long as I'm here,
Evil will never get its clutches on Traumaville again. That's

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the only thing that saves us from being basically a
nightmare Halloween or Friday the thirteenth, because it's because without that,
it's just a monster running around ripping people's limbs off.
The Toxic Avenger takes from superheroes, but is really parodying

(26:33):
satirizing slasher films. That's not what this one's doing. This
one is legitimately parroting superhero movies. This is, for all
intents and purposes, a superhero movie. You have a down
on his luck protagonist who's forced against the wall to
make a decision he doesn't want to make. He ends
up having an accident because of it, gets superpowers. He

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starts to take revenge. He starts to go after the
bad guys that you know, there's there's no This isn't
he was bullied. This is These are bad guys doing
bad things that have an evil plot. Yeah, goes after them,
they find out who he is and how to hurt
him because they can't go at him physically, so they
kidnapped his beloved and then he has to go back
and save them and he has to team up with

(27:20):
you know, the nerdy, non superhero vulnerable character, which he does,
and he's the hero of the day. This is a superhero.
This is right out of the Marvel playbook. That's what
they're making fun of. That's what they're satirizing. They're just
using the Toxic Avenger to do it, and everything else
becomes incidental after that. Because once I saw that, I
was like, okay, that's what this is. So not only

(27:43):
does this plot not resemble anything about the original Toxic Avenger,
the material they're playing with also doesn't resemble the Toxic Avenger,
which frustrated me. Like I like the movie. I laughed,
I was entertained, you know, I laughed, I cried, I heraled.
So the So if you're just like, just tell me
if you like the movie, I like the movie, just fine,
you should go see it. And if you wait for

(28:04):
to come PBOD, you'll have a good night. You'll have
a good fun night. At watching it at home. But
since I'm a critic, I'm gonna criticize the movie. I
don't love that they ran so far away from the
original material as to make this the Toxic Avenger and
name only you didn't have. I understand they were updating it,
and they were they were trying to create something wholly

(28:25):
new because a lot of the old stuff doesn't seem
to work anymore. I can sympathize with that. But like
there's a new The War of the Roses movie out,
it would be I haven't seen it yet, so I
don't know how close to the book it is or
how close to the original movie it is, But I
have a sneaking suspicion the basic beats of the original

(28:48):
War of the Roses are in the movie.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
One would assume.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
They're not in this movie. It's a whole other thing
that he's doing, the whole new story. The only thing,
the only like thing that keeps these even remotely similar
is a guy falls in toxic waste, becomes a hulking
monster and hiss a mop, and he uses a mop.

(29:13):
And the only and the only other thing that keeps
them similar is that his superpower is that he dismembers
people by like ripping their off their their limbs, which
brings me my last complaint. Then I'll concede to you.
We all know I'm not a huge fan of Gore.
The first Toxic Avenger is legitimately gross at times, and

(29:33):
the subsequent and the spend the fourth one is fucking unwatchable.
It's really bad. Like I I kind of had to
have it on the background and not look directly at
the screen because I was getting I've been doing better
over the last decade with you people hounding me. This
got to me like that's how bad this was. And
I had heard rumor had it that this Toxic Avenger

(29:55):
was gonna be gross too. This was nothing.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
It is gross if you're sanitized.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
He hits people with the mops and like half their
face melts. But basic. But all you're saying is just
red gook. Everything this is is red gook.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
This is this is like gross in a way that
will unsettle the same people who look at like, what
the heck was it was the movie we reviewed whe
Everyone's like, oh, this is so illicit, and you were like, no,
this is not illicit. There's no sexual content here. What

(30:34):
are you talking about.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Oh, I don't know, I remember that conversation.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I remember, I can't remember. I can't remember what it
was either.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
But I struggled more with Malignant than I did this,
Like Malignant got gross at time, Malinda got really unsettling.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
There's a few things in Malignant that, yeah, has the
body horror that'll get to you.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
But yeah, I his strikes with the mop are more
funny than anything else. Like he hits a guy with
a mop because the mop is hot, because it's toxic,
and so the impact just shred your face. So everything
kind of just looks like hanging neat, and I'm more
laughing than anything else. Yeah, Like, there was some deeply

(31:14):
unsettling imagery in the First Toxic Avenger, like this parts
where like guts are being pulled out of people. Also,
the First Toxic Avenger went out of its way to
draw out scenes and make them unsuncomfortable. Yeah, they don't
do that here. This is again the Marvel Cinematic Universe
approach to a horror comedy where he just does it

(31:38):
and they don't linger on the shot at all. They
they cut away from it just like they show you.
They show it to you because it's unrated. Yeah, it's unrated,
the same way fucking WrestleMania fourteen was X rated. You know,
it's like you're not doing anything. The worst part about
this in terms of that is the bit of the
concert where the two girls take their tops off and
then the third guy pulls dick out, which I laughed that, but.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
And let's be clear, that's also very clearly not a
real penis.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, it really should have gotten like a Ron Jeremy
type to do that, because they can do those things.
I have seen it. But yeah, if you if you're gonna,
you know, do the ropodope there with the penis, you get,
you know, get yourself a real guy that can do that.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
You really should hire Rick Flair.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
There you go, the old baby arm. So anyway, those
are my thoughts. I'm sure I'll have more as you
as you do your complaint.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Ah, Look, if you like this style of humor and whatnot,
this will probably work for you. I laughed very sparingly
at this movie. The stuff with the doctor is funny.
Didn't you There is an experimental procedure. It's very expensive.
Your health in schurch will probably cover Well, why didn't

(32:52):
you lead with that.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And he was just like, I was just sitting here
eating a sandwich. And then he starts to describe sandwich. Peterli,
what is it?

Speaker 3 (33:03):
I don't know, Turkey. What did you want to tell me?
That the stuff with the doctor gave me serious arrested
development vibes?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
And I've been petered English in that scene? Please stop
tell me she didn't even care about just get to
the point.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Oh is that me? No, this is a normal one.
This is for context, this is you.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yes, it was. It was very wry, very modern humor,
so that I.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Kind of laughed at. There's one bit after they've been
captured where Peter d England tries to threaten Kevin Bacon,
but he basically just repeats what Kevin Bacon already said.
And he's halfway out of the room and he stops
and comes back and goes because that didn't work. You see,
you just kind of said what I said. I already
said I was gonna feel it for myself, and you
just said you're gonna you've got not All you've got

(33:53):
is a hat on a hat and a hat and yeah,
like his the whistle blow, I was like, yeah it was.
And the doctors that are like, yeah, not not really good.
And then like the whistleblower feels bad for Peter Inglish
and he goes, it's a good line. But yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
You don't have to go full Deadpool. You can just
have a moment where everyone kind of forgets they're in
a they're in a serious movie and has and plays
with a bit without totally breaking the fourth wall or
doing the kind of stupid ship that was in Deadpool
versus so like that hat on a hat moment's funny.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, there's a so again, there's a few things like that.
But I would have been more comfortable with this movie
if it went further than it did with all of
its stuff. Oh I remember the thing I laughed at
And in the end when it turns into a Power
Rangers fight, yes, and he melts part of the acts

(34:57):
that Kevin Bacon to spontaneously generated right then he swings
the axe at him and he's on the ground and
it goes right here, and the part that he burned
out was exactly the shape of his yep neck. So
he's fine, Like funk that was that borders on like
mel Brooks kind of physical comedy. There he did it,

(35:21):
So there is some funny stuff, but again I really
struggled with a lot of it, and a lot of
the humor didn't quite land for me. There's also, I
don't know how to say this, there's some central conceits

(35:42):
to this story, in this world that we inhabit that
I'm not willing to make. It's too dumb a place
to actually exist, okay, And that just means I wind
up not being able to fully invest in what's going on.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
He give me an example what you're talking about, because
I'm a little lost.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Uh, you know, the mobsters like trying to take over
the world's worst like section of town. Like, boy, I
sure do hope nothing bad happens to your cat.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Then the mobster's son personally going to see that the
deeds get signed in his expensive car in the worst
part of town at night, all of the newscasts.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Oh, I laugh at that stuff. That that that felt
very Zucker Brothers Kentucky Fried movie to me, Like I
was waiting for her to do I'm not wearing any
pants film at eleven that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Would have been funnier. Again, I can see what they're
trying to get at here, but it just doesn't land
and because it doesn't land, I'm stuck with this. I'm
stuck with look at this going. So that's a news
broadcast in this world? How are you on the air?

(37:08):
How is this still a thing?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (37:12):
And so there's a lot of stuff like that that
just doesn't quite click for me. Give a few other positives.
As a there's an aesthetic to this movie that is
every bit as grimy and dirty as it should be.
Nothing about this movie looks good in the sense that

(37:34):
it's all supposed to look ugly.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I honestly thought this was gonna be a lot worse
than it was. Within the first ten seconds when they're
doing that flash with all the color filters and everything,
I'm like, Oh, this is gonna be a fucking head trip.
And then it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I was there's I was waiting for this to turn
into like Hobo with a shotgun.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, Hobo with a second is a rough watch.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
What is God? It's a bad movie. There's so much
of it that's just so dumb. But that point being
like when that's where my head's like, oh, maybe we're
going that direction, and then we kind of get what
we get. It's it just doesn't doesn't quite work.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
It's very twenty twenty five. It's just like we're gonna
freak the people out. We got an unrated movie here,
this is sex and violence. And then it's so tame, like.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Now there's sex. There's two topless.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Shots, yeah, right, and a pani's that's that's a bildo. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Well I saw more graphic. There's more graphic nudity in
Freaking twenty eight years later than there is in this.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I think you and I have commented on this a
lot of the last two years about how nothing really
we don't see anything that really goes for it anymore.
Like when you think about like the eighties and nineties,
and I would say, by the by the two thousands
is when this starts. But it doesn't. But but but

(39:06):
the eighties and nineties got so bad that your starting
point is so high it has a far place to fall.
But now twenty years later, where where we've hit this
place of like we've talked about You talked about like
there's no arrows in a lot of movies anymore. True,
there's like the concept of like pushing boundaries and presenting

(39:29):
something like an irreversible which we'll talk about. I think
later this year, you know, or you know, like a
blue velvet stuff are really unsettled people or going all
the way back in terms of horror, like a nightmare,
the original Nightmare on Elm Street, Like there's some there
was some really like grossed up, unsettling stuff, stuff that

(39:51):
has stayed in the culture for like fifty years now
because it was so bad. And now it's like the
line to take a chance, that the line to push
is so far from what it used to be that
this constitutes as pushing a boundary. Yeah, this is this

(40:12):
is sanitized. Like I brought my kids to it, and
I have shown them things that I wish I hadn't
in retrospect. This was not one of them. I didn't care,
like this is whatever. And if you're like, but Penis, Yeah,
my son also saw the last Jackass movie where you
know they they had I think like Peniszilla or something like.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
That, something like that. Yeah, again, I wish I could
remember what it was, because there was a movie you
and I reviewed that like the big tagline and push
for it was this is the most like blonde. No,
it wasn't blonde, but blonde is definitely where we had
that conversation. We did have it around blonde, but there
was something that was like selling itself as like the

(40:55):
hard bodies of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, no, no, no, it was okay that but also.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
The idol, right, the idol that was one that was It.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Was a big part of that conversation with like, oh
my like this, like the people at Rolling Stone are
upset about how like I like sexual and exploit of
it was and you and I watched this going what
is this beige bullshit? You think it's sexy?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
It doesn't help that Lily Rose Depth in the Weekend
have all the chemistry of.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Uh yeah, Blonde, we had that conversation. Blonde kind of
earned it, Like there was some rough stuff and blonde.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Blonde earned that. Blonde earned us having that discussion because
there's stuff in blonde that should have. Man, I wish
blonde it would like had actually been willing to go
for it in places, Yeah, but they weren't for whatever reason. Yeah,
there was something like I want again, I want to
say earlier this year, late last year that like you
and I spent a giant chunk of it lamenting the

(41:56):
fact that man, whatever happened to you know, Porkys and
Chain Fury.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
You and I didn't review the Jennifer mystique, Jennifer Laurence. Yeah,
the Jennifer Lawrence movie. We we've had conversations about it,
but you and I. I saw it with Melissa, but
you and I never reviewed it. I think I talked.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
About remember Chris, Yeah, I know, I remember you talking
about that one, because that's when where she's like supposed
to take the guy's virginity.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
And yeah, it was supposed to be it was supposed
to be a return to like the raunchy sex comedy.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, it was sold as that, and then it was
absolutely nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
And no hard feelings, right, you and I because it
was part of one of our money segments, is what
it was. You and I talked about. I brought up
no hard feelings because it's supposed to be like a
return to Porky's and Revenge of the Nerds and the
raunchy sex comedy. And so here's this milk who's dating
this barely eighteen year old teenager, and she's gonna show
him a good time and there'll be lots of hooting

(43:01):
and hollering. The best thing about it is Jennifer Lawrence
fighting people naked on a beach. That's as bad as
it got.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah, there's there is something about modern culture and this
started I want to say, maybe around twenty ten, give
or take, like there is.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
In the early two thousands. Is a guy fucking a pie?
You know, like.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
You know what? I know what this is? Hang, I know,
I just had my epiphany about this. Okay, this is
Tom Green's fault. Go on, because he released Freddy Got Fingered,
which I've never seen. No one should see it. I
legitimately think that movie should not exist. Okay, I don't

(43:49):
say that about.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Have an interesting thesis here. Don't ruin it by going
off on tangents.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Making no tangent. That movie was so bad, but it's
the wrong combination of super transgressive with high notoriety.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Because I mean you've watched like all those like trans
films that you guys do every July every June, and
you mean the Pride films for Robert you no, no, no, no,
hang on, because not all of them fall into this.
I can't remember, like the Waters, the John Waters stuff. That's.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Oh yeah, you talked about the Trash Trilogy.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yes, okay, sorry, it took me a minute to remember
who directed them. Those are but hang on, but they
also have like no audience outside the intended audience.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
That is correct.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
John Waters was extremely niche still is. Yeah, Freddy Got
Fingered was a like it kind of got blown up.
There was a lot of discussion around it, There was
a lot of It got a lot more press and
hype than other transgressive films like that, right, and it

(45:05):
was so irredeemable on every level that the pearl clutching
was actually kind of justified. And that's the point at
which the pendulum wildly reset the other direction. Yeah, so
much like many things wrong with the world, Tom Green.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
But I actually think that's an interesting point that it's
kind of triple eight saying why the Attitude era, and
specifically like the TLC matches had to end. You know,
his comment of we're gonna kill a guy if we
don't pull back, So they pulled all the way back
to John Cena. In the PG era where there's no blood,
what constitutes as too aggressive is choking people out with

(45:52):
a rope high well, in one case it was John
Cena doing it to a maga with the ring rope
and everyone lost their fucking minds over it. You know. Meanwhile,
the guy's fucking blowing each other up and hit each
other with weed whackers. But that's besides the point.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Well, the John cena Umaga stuff takes place in this
weird area where they're exiting ruthless aggression going into right.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
But then by the time we get to Daniel Bryan and.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
He's chucking out Justin Roberts for the next tie.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Just to set this up for contexts, because people like,
why are they talking wrestling, But you have to understand
the point we're trying to make. You can trace what
happened to the culture through what happened in wrestling. At
the end of the Attitude era, guys were falling from
the roof. No, no, I'm not making a joke about
own hard here. I'm talking about the TLC matches. Guys
were falling from the fucking roof basically onto their head.

(46:42):
And they had to stop doing because they did three
of these, and they had to stop doing them because
they were gonna four because they were gonna end up
killing a guy. Between from Foley He's going off the
cage to Jeff Hardy's speech Beard mid air, they were
like all right, enough, already we're gonna stop. And then
it was like from from that point on we get

(47:02):
to John Cena in the PG era, which you're right,
like if you kind of mark the transition is his
Royal Rumble match with Umaga where he's choking him with
the ring rope, to fucking Daniel Bryan, who's.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Part of a terrorist group.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Basically, the Nexus was like this rebel group that was
trying to upset, you know, the power structure of the WWE.
They were like set everything on fire and like they
were supposed to be, like wildly out of control. They
were rebels s throwing tea into the fucking sea. And
there's Daniel Bryan who takes the announceer's tie and just
chokes them with it, and Daniel Brian gets fired because

(47:36):
it's too aggressive. The period from Umaga choking a guy
the same way to fucking Daniel Brane in character doing
it that far, that's that that's and that's why this movie.
That's why like drawings all the way back to the
Toxic Avengers, we can move this on. That's why I

(47:56):
struggle with this because this is yet another example of
we are so far down, Like the PG rabbit Hole
that even something that is supposed to be salacious and
over the top and boundary pushing is sanitized by comparison.
I would have a harder time showing American Pie to
my kids than I did this movie. I'll give you

(48:18):
the last word. We can move on.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I would completely agree with that. For the record, don't dude,
your daughter would never forgive you subject to American Pie.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I might have She's going to the Warped Tour. I
think later this year. I might have to just wait
till she goes to that and just show it to Jonas.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
But don't that to your son either.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Why is he banging a pie? I'll tell you when
you're older.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
But but that's the thing. It's like, that's where we
are right now. Like this is tame for what it's
supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
It's tame super um. I got nothing else on this one.
If you like this style of movie, you will have
a good time with this one. If you don't, this
is not gonna be much of a h I think
the last thing I'll say in this movie's favor it
is blissfully short.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
An hour and forty minutes.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
They knew not to. They knew not to overextend this thing.
So yeah, I can't say I personally enjoyed it, but
it's well made enough and in the way that it's
supposed to be well made that this is not going
on my best or worst of anything.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
So my children have actually seen the Terrifier movies and
I haven't because I don't, okay, but they were making
comparisons to the Terrifier movies to this, and they were like,
do you know what the difference between the Terrifier movies
and Toxic Avenger was? And I'm like, what they're like?
The Terrifier movies are the worst parts of this movie,
the entire length of them. This at least gives you
a break. That's the only difference in their eyes, which

(49:56):
I thought was an interesting perspective.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
There is it nothing in this movie remotely close to
as deliberately graphic as the Terrifier stuff, not even close.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Well, then we have successfully deadened my children's senses.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
If you've if your children have seen Terrifier one, two,
and three, they are impervious to everything at this point,
I think so.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I think Jesse's daughter has also seen the Terrifier movies.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Which one, because he's got one who's.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Like in college, that's the one.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Well, okay, look, if you're in college, you make your
own decisions about this kind of stuff. I can't help you.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I don't know. I think you might be watching them
as like a family movie night, for all I know.
His wife's on TikTok. They're watching Terrifier. Mongo's fucking lifting
up cars and tearing him in half. I don't know
what happens in Jesse's house. I'm just telling you that
his daughter, his college ade daughter, has seen the Terrifier movies.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Okay, And look, I'm just saying, man, you showing Terrifier
to your eleven year old kid is okay.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
For the record, I didn't do this one. I showed
I own up to my mistakes. I showed my son
to show me your scene from bed Lieutenant. I have
my own problems.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, that's a choice.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube. They watched Terrifier at
the exes purfault.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Her fault. Okay, it's yeah, look.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Great.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
You would not enjoy the Terrifier movies. They are a
lot of just gore.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, Well, to round back to what I said, I'm
just gonna hit the button. Like they, having sastered the
Terrifier movies, they were like, I didn't see anything worse
than this one.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Than I think.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
That's how I think they in their own circle of
Internet and social media usage, got the impression this was
that level or worse, and it's far from it according
to that.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, this is not even close
to the Terrifier franchise.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah all right. So with that said, now that we've
said that number of times, here comes not a lot
of money. Oh yes, no, all right. There is no
listed budget for this, but it's made two point two million,

(52:19):
so that's good. The Toxic Avenger premiered as the opening
film a Fantastic Fest on September twenty first, twenty twenty three.
The film also played at Beyond Fest on September thirtieth,
twenty twenty, before having its international debut at the fifty
six Stiges Film Festival as part of out of out
of Competition section on October thirteenth and twenty twenty three.

(52:42):
It's had UK premiere at the Midnight Madness Strand on
the seventieth Edinburgh International Film Festival in August nineteen twenty
twenty five. Not a lot of other information about the
money that it's made. I don't have a budget to
compare it to, but like I said, it's made two

(53:02):
point two million so far. I can't imagine this thing
had a very high budget.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Look, it's gonna find some decent streaming deal.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
But yeah, hopefully it'll do better than Red Sonia. Anyway,
Weapons is currently the number one.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Movie read Sonya Burns.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
So Weapons actually is getting a lot of good word
of mouth. It went from two to one. It's the
talk of the town right now. The twenty twenty five
re release the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws. We just had
its twenty five year release.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Not that long ago, man, it's forty five. We released
in twenty Yeah. Yeah, I'm super tempted to go see
Jaws and Imax tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah. No, I took. I can tell you I at
some point during between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three,
I took my kids to go see Jaws in Imax.
And I know that because it took about Wholessa was
on a date, or she was away for the weekend
or something like that. Caught Stealing deputed at number three uh,
Freaky Your Friday drop from three to four. The Roses,

(54:10):
which I might later when it comes on streaming do
a an on trial and compare it to the first one.
I would be interested in doing that. I was not
interested in pushing this one. I wasn't sure if it
was getting a wide release or not. Uh, because I
know it's like a Focus film or some shit like that.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, it's a lot. It's I forget which studio.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Well, it's it's under It's under Walt Disney, which tells
me that, like I said, it's probably.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
It's fir Yeah yeah that or yes, uh Spotlight.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah, whichever one. Whichever one used to be
Fox's Tiffany label, because I.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Think Fox had Spotlight. I don't know, You're right, and
it's one of those.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
So anyway, that debuted at number five. One of the
many reasons why I didn't bother to cover it in
its release. Fantastic four four from four fell from four
to six.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Just losing money hand over fist.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, I'll come back to this. I want to talk
about I want to finish what I'm doing here, but
I do want to talk about how every nerd and
their mother ran wild with the variety piece that Disney
has lost the Wii lads they have, that's the talk
of the town. Well, everyone did a fucking video on it,
so now we have to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Man, we'll talk briefly about it. I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Superman fell from seven to eight, Nobody to fell from
six to nine, The Naked Gun from from nine to ten,
Jurassic World fell from ten to eleven. Good Old Talksie
debut to number twelve f one, twelve thirteen, Leelo and Stitch.
I guess open up in more theaters again because that
because that jumped from thirty two to fourteen.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
It got it got some kind of relate. It finally
got approved in China or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Honey Don't drop from eight to fifteen. I'm probably gonna
go see Honey Don't this weekend.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
You will be the only one.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Nie Jah two looks like it got a North American release.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
It is. You can find that digitally. Okay, So it's
getting some theatrical stuff, but it's getting a bigger push.
I forget what the where it's streaming home, mans, but
it's got a streaming home that almost.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Ended up on the triple feature. I'm doing Sunday with
Jesse because I needed one to pair with a predator,
killer of Killers and the witch ass Siren of the Deep.
But instead I'm gonna make him watch Love Me starring
Kristen Stewart.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
You should have done K Pop Demon Hunters.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Alexis already did it with David, I know.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
But you and you and Jesse should do it.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Why would we do that? Why would we repeat content?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Because it's the biggest Netflix movie ever.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
It already got its own podcast. Why would he shove
it into something else?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
This is what you do, Mark. You recycle stuff about
the same thing because people like it. If it's new
voices talking about it.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Well they'll like it because I'm talking about it as
opposed to Alex. I get that, but I don't. I
know right now it's the soup d jore. I'm resisting it.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Leave me alone, and you wonder, and you wonder.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I run up the downstaircase that's in my DNA. No,
I've been dying to talk about Kristen Stewart's movie where
she's a booie who falls in love with his satellite.
This is what I want.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Look, you're allowed to do what you want. It's your network.
I'm just saying, man, this is.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
My new that, this is my new the idol. Okay,
I want this, so be happy. I didn't put fucking
foist it upon you.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
You couldn't force it upon me, Robert, Please, I love you,
love me. I'm not even on deck for that one.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
No, you know you're not. That's either happening or I'm
doing a TikTok and that's the end of it. Anyway.
A little prayer debut to twenty three sharing Aloha Aloha
means leave your family behind, twenty five, Love Brooklyn twenty six,
and that was the weekend death was worldwide. Nisha is
still number one, Lee Loans still number two, Minecraft still

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number three, Jurassic World still number four. At a training
Dragon is still number five f one, moving up to
number six f one, passing Superman and Fantastic four.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
You know what they deserve it?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah? Uh Superman Nerds, let's say it again for the
people in the back. Superman wildly underperformed at six hundred
and eleven million dollars. Please stop drinking everyone.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
That thing needed seven hundred million. It's not going to
get there.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, sorry, James, gunn. Superman has started his race by
tripping over itself. Get over it. I'm not saying they
should pull him off of it, m say they shouldn't
do any more DC movies. But let's call it like
it is. His Superman did not meet the requirement. It
did not complete the assignment period. Mission Impossible is at

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number eight. It's five and ninety eight million, Fantastic four,
barely in the top ten and probably won't last once
Wicked comes out. It's far down at number nine. You've
still got really quick moving into October, here's the fucking list.
After one battle after another, We've got in the Smashing Machine,

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we got tron.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Aries, right, maybe.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
We've got the Black Phone two. I'm not saying these
are all gonna be top ten. I'm saying this is
this is the this is the this is the competition. Statistically,
one of these has to push it out of the
top ten.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
I can tell you there's two. I guarantee you Fantastic
four and Captain America are both falling out of the
top ten. When it's all said and done, you've got
Wicked and you've got Avatar.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Oh yeah, by far. But even before that, just because
I would like to read lists because I'm like Wes Anderson.
You've got Mortal Kombat two at the end of October
and then you've got kicking off November. We've got nothing,
but I'm gonna make you watch bullwarth watch what Bullworth.
I'll explain it to you in a minute. Predator, bad Lands,

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The Running Man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
That one's got an outside shot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Wicked Part two, which that's gonna that's gonna be in
the top top five more than likely. Z Utopia two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, that one probably knocks it down to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Five nights at Freddy two, which my son's like, I
have lost all it just in that ip, but I
kind of I still want to see the movie with
exact words to me, Uh bad Lieutenant, just kidding. Yeah,
and then Avatar on the twenty second. So how are you?

(01:00:48):
How about Marvel? How working about it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
There's not gonna be a Marvel movie in the top
ten when it's all said and done.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, Superman made cyclopssolete, all right, that's it's our friend
here from Sweden, like he is from Sweden. I like meatballs.
So yeah, there's not gonna be a movie. There's not
gonna be a single Marvel movie in the top ten.

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So which would which transitions us into I don't know.
I'm not gonna bother pulling up the article. Basically every
video that did an echo. Chamberlain said something about it.
Fucking Sydney Watson, whatever the fucker name is, said something
about it. Critical Drinker said something, obviously because he comments
on everything. Neurotics said something. Everybody commented on this Variety

(01:01:40):
article that quoted somebody at Disney saying they are trying
desperately to figure out how to win back young boys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Yeah, they someone of theirs said, okay, we need ideas
for ip that are aimed at gen Z men gen
Z mails. And you know what, we all took the
victory lap on them because we should to just say,
you know what, you had the two biggest boy ips

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in the world. Yeah, you had Marvel and you had
Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Right, and you signal to boys everywhere we don't want you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
And here's the thing. You know, here's the thing about
men in general, whether you're a boy, middle aged or
an elder person, if you don't want us, nine out
of ten men are happy to walk away from you.
You make a big enough stink that you don't want us.

(01:02:45):
We're happy to leave. We're really good at entertaining ourselves.
We will find a place where we do fit and
we'll stay there, possibly forever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Okay, two things about that. One, if you've never seen
the any of these things that pop up on various
social media sites, that men are simple creatures and it's
just what men can do to entertain themselves, Like, hey, everyone,
fill up this glass. Take turns with running water into
this glass. First one to make it spill loses.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Yeah, there's a lot of social media content out there
of just young guys entertaining themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Yeah, and there's also a long standing meme about this
where people invade a space they see somebody doing something
over here. Hey, I want to do that, but I
want to change it and go we're not sure about that,
come on, let us in, Fine, let you in. And

(01:03:47):
they change it until it's something that people don't want.
So they go and they go, you know what, you
guys aren't welcome here anymore. We've taken this. It's ours now. Okay,
So they leave and they make something else and that's same.
People go, hey, what are you doing over there? Can
we join? Like, no, we know how this story goes,
you've done it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Parasites, you come in, you colonize, you kill everything around you.
You're the fucking aliens from Independence Day.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
And yeah. So the other thing that annoys me about
this is the massive disconnect, the cognitive dissonance that has
to be going on in some of these people who
spent so long going it's not for you, then okay,
we don't watch, and then going, but why won't you watch?

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
They're not saying that. No, here's the thing. You're missing
a critical element of this, or you're not missing it.
I don't want to imply that. I hate when people
say that to me, so I'm trying to not say
to you, but I'll say this. You probably do know this,
but you're focusing on the not important part. Here's the
important part. Not enough of who they did want watched.
Oh yeah, that's really the problem here. Let's take the

(01:04:58):
let's take the biggest example of this. It's the two basic,
biggest examples, the Marvels and the Acolyte One Marvel one
Star wars in the in the Mirror universe, where the
Acolytes a huge hit with young girls all the way
to old women. We're not having this conversation, and they're
not looking for men anymore. In the world where that

(01:05:20):
same group of people makes The Marvels a billion to
two billion dollar movie, we're not having this conversation. What
I've said on my TikTok as of late, I've covered
this a couple of different ways follows they are making
what they think women want, and women are rejecting it.

(01:05:43):
That's actually what kills me about all the guys making
in Sydney making videos about this is they're all circling
the same irrelevant point to me, Oh, you drove away
the men. Yet we know we've only we've all only
been saying it for the past like five years now.
This is a yeah in earnest, I would say, and
it's been more apparent. Yeah, it's not being talked about.

(01:06:06):
Is how not enough? At least Echo Chamberlain sometimes brings
it up, but he also not enough, people are saying
with the real problem is this Disney couldn't figure out
what women want either they I mean, and then it's like, okay,
but you're only talking about the boy brands. No, I
don't know if you saw a fucking snow white because
no one did that. Two hundred million dollars on that

(01:06:28):
piece of shit more but yeah, okay, And if you're
just like but well, but but the women only go
to No. The women all want to go see Wicked.
Women show up when you make what they want, and
somehow the people making Wicked figured that out. But nobody
at Disney knows how to speak to women either. And
it's like the height of intellectual idiocy that you have

(01:06:54):
so many people at Disney who think they know what
women want, but really you're actually only speaking to far left,
fourth wave radicalized feminists. That's your fucking niche. That's what
Disney's making products for. But they think that's all women.
I've met women. It's not all women. Women like a

(01:07:15):
variety of things.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Women make up fifty percent of the human population and
tend to have a variety of likes dislikes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
I mean, I mean, I did a whole thing we
talked about this, say, we week or two ago, where
it's like they're reading books about wanting to fuck sasquatches
and doors and pumpkins, spice lattes. It's not my thing,
but women have a thing and they like it. And
maybe if they had made snow White about fucking a door.
Maybe women would have gone, but no, instead they made

(01:07:42):
her Aragorn, which they don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
What you can get away with making movies for a
small niche audience if you budget them appropriately. Yeah, if
you spend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Ten million instead of two, instead of whatever the fuck
they made.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
It for fIF do whatever it was? Yeah to twenty
something probably minimum. You make that movie for ten twelve
million dollars. Okay, no one cares. If you're going to
spend a quarter of a billion dollars producing, marketing, et cetera.
This thing actually would be north of that if you

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factor in marketing, would be three and change close to four.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Anyway, hang on before you finished that sentence. If everyone's like,
you guys are really picking at just the most recent stuff, Nope,
because the Little Mermaid also underperformed wildly, Bye to it,
like like, but it made four to five hundred million.
You're the same fucking idiots that can't figure out math
with Superman either. It was expected, it was greenlit and
a certain budget to make a certain profit. It came

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nowhere near it. Period.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
That Little Mermaid did about five hundred and change. They
spent two hundred and fifty two hundred and seventy million
on production factor in again seventy ish percent of that
on top of it in marketing. Then you double that.
That's what you need to hit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I know you didn't love it, but like, and it's
hard to talk about money with Kerrilla because it came
out during the pandemic and it was day and date
and all of that. But I don't recall hearing a
lot of people like. We talked about it, we had
an argument about it. It's fine, we argue about everything,
but I don't like it's five years later and I
don't hear people talking about Kroella because no one remembers

(01:09:29):
five years later. And I don't hear people talking about
Mulan either. People who have seen it don't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Well, look you want to, I'll tell you. Mulan lost money.
For the record, they spent way too much on it,
and everyone you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
That's not fair though, that's a pandemic day and date movie.
But what I'm getting at is, if my argument is
you're not making movies that women like. You think you're
marketing towards women, but you're missing that target. I have
five years of evidence. Yeah, never mind the money these
things didn't make because in some of these cases it's
an apples the fucking Oranges comparison. So throw the money out.

(01:10:06):
Let's just look at did people actually like these movies?
Do they talk about them now five years later, because
I'll tell you what they do talk about. They fucking
talk about Wicked, Okay, they talk about fifty fifty Shades
of Great, They talk about Downton Abbey, they talk about Twilight.
I'm still hearing about Twilight from women.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yeah, not asking you to accept no, no, that is
a just reaction to that to me believing you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Okay, even Wonder Woman girls liked fucking yeah, the first one,
the second one, but that first Wonder Woman. People like,
so you've got Mulan, you've got Cruella, the Little Mermaid,
fucking snow White. Because we skipped the years and now
five years and four movies and not a single one

(01:10:53):
appeal to women, not one. So this malarkey that that's
in this article of like we've lost a wee Led,
you lost everybody, Disney, everyone, you know, I don't know
who you're Stop making movies for the one percent of
fourth way feminists. They don't fucking see your movies either.
By the way, have you talked to one of these people.

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They're not watching this shit, They're watching euphoria.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Yeah, now, you're right, this is what happens when you
make movies for a California echo chamber. Yeah. Like, if
you're gonna spend two hundred plus million dollars on production
another one hundred and fifty give or take, if not more,
on marketing, what you need is a movie that genuinely
appeals to statistically, the average of women, none of whom

(01:11:46):
want to be aragorn, none of whom want to be leaders,
none of whom want to be empowered about being none
of whom want to be the one rescuing the prince
from being shot with an arrow.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
No, they want to be banged by doors, pillows, coffee,
and fucking sasquatches.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Okay, you're you're reach now, you're reaching for a niche
of your own. By the way, for the record.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
The books tell me differently. The books tell me differently.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
No, that's like saying that hang on, that's that is
the other need. That's the niche on the other end
is what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
I thought it was bigger than that. But you know,
based on the statistics I quoted, But I'm not gonna
argue with you again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
You've got to just kind of take that. Take what
it take. What they think they're operating to the percentage
of the percentage they're actually marketing towards on the left end,
the number of women actually like doing the bizarre romanticy thing.
On the other end, it's about the same pool of people.
They're just on the extreme ends, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
So to make to make your point, for you talking
about a middle ground that doesn't want to be araground
but also doesn't want to fuck a door, got it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Yeah, congratulations, be normal, just normal, Make movies for normal people.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
We don't know how all right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Again, you so lost touch with what it means to
be normal that you can't look at someone without a
septum piercing and recognize that there are a human being anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Okay, speaking of things to speaking of BDSM and beating
things of death. I think we're done here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Uh yeah, the money's look, man, we know the next
big couple of movies that are gonna kind of sweep
up the remainder of the money for twenty twenty five. Yep,
that's where we are.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yeah, I was Iffy on Tron. I started a full
trailer for it today. I still hate that they're doing
Tron movies for a variety of reasons. They'll talk about
it when we get the Tron Aries, but I actually
think the movie will I don't know if it's gonna
be a big hit, but I think it'll pull a.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Decent audience that look, it's gonna do. Okay, it's not
gonna do great. Jared Leto's not a lead yeah for
this kind of a movie, and that's a big problem.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Mm hmm. Feels like they only made this movie to
promote the ride by the Way little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Yeah, and the entire notion of oh, we're gonna they're
going to come to the real world and all the
physics from their world suddenly work in the physics of
the real world is unbearably stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
The Tron movie back in the eighties is such a
quaint movie for very cularity people who were just discovering
the home computer. And that's why I don't think Tron
works now. But I will see the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
And be in and try to watch it with with Look,
I was okay with Tron legacy. It wasn't my favorite
anything and I know everyone else creams themselves over daft punk.
I don't, but I was okay with it. This is
like we've lost the plot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
So Bulworth okay, okay, would you like to know what
Bulworth is?

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
I kind of would.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Okay, I'm making you talk about this. This is this
is my for you, my idol.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
So it's a nineteen ninety eight movie.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Okay, wait, I've heard of this. Keep going, but the
name is suddenly ringing a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Bell an American political satire black comedy film co written,
co produced, and directed by and starring the Great Warren Batty.
It co stars Halle Berry, Oliver Platt, Don Cheeto, Paul Slovini,
Jack Wharton, and Isaiah Washington. The film follows the title character,
California Senator Jay Billington Bulworth, as he runs for reelection

(01:15:36):
while trying to avoid a hired assassin. The film originally
received generally positive reviews and a nomination for the Academy
Award for Best Original Screenplay, yet narrowly failed to break
even on a thirty million dollar budget.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
I have heard of that, I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
So I love this movie. It's one of my It's
it's one of those. It's one of my favorites, but
I never talk about it because it's fucking Bullworth and
there's never been a sequel. It's not a comic book.
It's it's a Warren Baby vanity project that nobody really understands.
But it's really good and you're the only person I
want to talk about this with. I I saved it

(01:16:14):
for you. I put it in a damn you Hollywood slot.
Not even Jesse's getting a piece of Bullworth. This is
only a Robert Winfrey.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Wow, this is You're suddenly quasi monogamous with this. I p.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Quasi monogamous with everything in my life. But yes, anyway,
I I desperately want to do an on trial for
Bullworth with you. I think I think you will have
an interesting time with this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Okay, I will. I will take that ride with you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Some of this, well, no, some of this you're going
to be aggravated with me. But it's like, but it's
one of those where like I want to do this
because I need to push him. He need I need
to stretch Robert Winfrey just a little. And this will
stretch you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
You gonna stretch me?

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
I do, I do, Yes, I think it's gonna stretch
you a little bit. Halle Barry, Halle Barry. That's all
I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Not doesn't do anything for me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
No, no, I know it's not not because she's hot,
but because of other reasons. This is like, this is
like me doing every David Simon show with Jesse. This
is that experience in one movie with you?

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Is this before halle Berry learned how to act? Like
so you can win? Straight from Flintstones to this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Con we talk about that af air because I don't
feel like looking it up right now and having another
conversation about her.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Okay, tell you what, let's just leave that. We'll leave
that alone. We'll get to it when we get to it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Sounds great, all right. With that said, here is the
critical law review.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
No? I said no, God, no, God please, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
I haven't gone on a good rant at all. That's
why I don't like it when guests are on here,
because then I don't get to go on good rants.
And that was a good rant. I feel like when
I put this up and I throw this into notebook, LM,
it's gonna select us talking about the Disney article as
the TikTok and nothing about the toxic avenger.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Anyway. Eighty three on the tomato meter, eighty five percent
on the fan meter. Uh. When we digs the deeper,
it's ninety four for top critics, and then all critics
dropped it to eighty three. That's interesting. Verified audience is
eighty five, audiences is eighty one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
There's a lot of audiences that are on your wavelength
about this. A lot of the critics, what do you mean,
they kind of get what it's going for. And there's
a lot of people that have a nostalgic attachment to
the IP in general. So okay, so not going to
be reviewed by a lot of the actual like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
I hope Black's Robert Robert win Free reviewed this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
There's a lot this is going to be largely reviewed
by the audience. It's intended for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Sewan Burns of North Shore Movies, a relentlessly good natured effort,
squeaky clean and its cgi blood splatters and careful to
make sure only socially acceptable targets are punished. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Again, the fact that this movie doesn't have the stones
to be as transgressive as it needed to be is
the big knock against it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah, Nicholas Bell Offici silly films. While the reverence for
the outrageously silly original classic is often on full display,
the effort undertaken with the Toxic Avenger remake never mutates
into its own memorable entity, an impressive cast, congealing it
to flavorless consequence.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Little harsh, but not wholly wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Oscar Goff of Boston Hassle. That's what I drink when
I go to the Swinger party house. I drink a
Boston Hassle.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Sure you do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Ultimately, I can't quite come.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
What.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Ultimately I can't quite recommend the new Toxic Avenger, as
it's simply not quite successful at what it's trying to do.
But I do appreciate that it's trying to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Fallen down fast here, Oh, friend of the show, Best
friend of the show. William Bibianni of The Wrap top critic,
a heartwarming, horrifically violent homage. Oh my god, dude, dude,
Like I love William, but will the most lovable direc
ever produced outside of the studio system.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
We're pretending Trauma's not a studio. I get that it's
a low budget studio. But it's still a studio.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
I think he's employing the major studios still. Peter Bradshaw,
Guardian top critic, as satire a spoof of both superhero
movies and scary movies. It is abysmally obsolete on its
own terms. It's horror comedy. It either she's neither scares
nor laughs. Oh that's not true. I laughed a lot
of this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
There again, I didn't laugh a whole lot, but I
can see the comedy. I can see the humor in it.
That said, Man, you and I talked a little bit
about this, like, how do you parody the modern superhero
movie anymore? You've got the Boys and they're kind of
doing everything there is to do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Yeah. Really, by the way, so we're you know, you
and I are like lamenting the loss of the transgressive
on film on TV. It's alive and well, the Boys
being the best example of that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
You can find it in the niche of various streaming sites.
You're right, but even the Boys at this point is
almost self parody.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Well, I guess if you're going for that sort of
Sam Raimie Ash versus the Evil Dead, throw everything at
the fucking screen. But also remember that boys and girls
like boobs, you know, in vaginas and penises. The boys
are still doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Yeah, we'll get to the final season. When we get
to it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I am not looking forward to that at all. The podcast,
the show, none of it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
I'm looking forward to it just to see what insanity
we have for a finale.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
I wish it had ended with season three for a
variety of reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
There's stuff about four I could have got behind, but
for there's stuff about four I could have got behind
in theory. The problem is they wound up doing four
just to get to five, and it killed almost all
the momentum.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Kim Newman of sci Fi. Now you have to admit
English and bank and successfully replicate the hectoring, girning style
of the freakazoids who populated the trauma films of the
nineteen eighties and nineties. But it's also hard to see
the point, and the lasts are very few.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
This guy's a little more on my wavelength about it,
but even I was a little bit more positive than that. Again,
this is a lot of the intended audience for it,
so that's why you're seeing most people who kind of
get what it's trying to do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Travis Hobson didn't love it. Of Puncher and critics. Those
who already loved Toxi in his goopy crime fighting ways
will probably love it, but the uninitiated will understand why
it's taken more than two years of the film to
finally be released.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
He is not wrong about that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Mark just stick of Mark Reviews movies. The Toxic Avengine
is perhaps the best version of this material that anyone
could make. Sing both something and not much. Is nothing
better than original?

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah, this is not as good as the original, not
even close.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Amelia Harvey that much. Amelia Harvey A Frame rated. The
Toxic Avenger lands in an odd space between being too
subdued to be considered a true retelling of the so
bad It's good classic, but not good enough to stand
on its own two feet.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from with that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Here's the thing, though, I don't buy into the too
bad It's it's so bad it's a good thing. I
think it was. I think the charm of The Toxic
Avenger was that it was overly appealing to a very
small group of people. But that small group of people
with Pepper throughout the throughout the country. And when you're
only having to fill up a midnight movie screening, who cares. Yeah,

(01:24:44):
that's all you need, like fifty fucking seats in the
average theater back in the eighties and you're only doing
midnight screen It's like the Rocky Like the Rocky Horror
Picture Show wasn't Avatar either, but people showed up still
in the culture. People saw that people go went to
the midnight screenings of the movies. Like you know, scale matters,
and when we talk about these things, I don't think
people keep scale in mind. Yeah, the Toxic Avenger, like

(01:25:07):
I said, did not have mass appeal, nor should it have,
but it was very memorable and overly appealing to the
very small group of people. And those but those group
of people also will watch the cartoon, the musical, go
to the conventions. The girl I had on one of
Dorian's various women that he brings me, because Dorian brings
me women. I don't know if you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Yes, you said, like the great Khan a top of
your throne of furs.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
That's right, she was. She had a whole bunch of
like fucking toxic avengership behind her when she was doing
the podcast on Thursday again, it a couple hundred thousand
on a on a thing that doesn't make that doesn't
cost a lot to begin with, but that one hundred
thousand will buy everything you put out for that for
that thing, which, going back to Disney for just a second,

(01:25:58):
is what they seem to have forgot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
If you would have honored the fan base and kept
the content in a place where the fans would still
be in love with it, they would more than make
up for the fact that you're not getting fans from
all these other parts of the world, because they'll buy
the toys, the games, the flamethrower, everything, And they would say,

(01:26:22):
piss on that. What we want is this other group
of people who.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Aren't You want the modern audience, Mark, the modern audience
that doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
There's a greater conversation to be had about the loss
of the loss of fandom. And I don't mean in
the like the fans don't watch anyway. It's like the
loss of understanding of what a fan is and does. Yeah,
but that's not today.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Some other time. Yeah, we thought about Bulworth. We'll talk
about that. Because Mark's a giant fan.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I am a fan of Bullworth, but if someone can
find a Bulworth T shirt, I will wear it. Neil
Pollock of Book and Film Globe. The Toxic Avenger isn't
for everyone, or even for anyone. It's not great, It
isn't even really very good, but it's definitely something else. Oh,

(01:27:13):
you don't understand what you want?

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
How in the world can you waste that many words?

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
All right? Last one here and then I'll be done.
Perry nemer Off of Collider Top Critic. A bonkers and
bloody delight making blash, Toxic Avenger is a hugely enjoyable
and rowdy escape. It also feels like a celebration of
movie magic, especially the wild things one can create with ingenuity,
practical effects, and a lot of passion for the genre.
I like how the critics can't agree if it's practical

(01:27:40):
effects or ZGI, which, from what I understand, there was
copious amounts of both.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Yeah. In fairness, if you mix them together just right,
it does create the effect where you're not sure which
one is which and fair enough?

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
All right. Yesterday myself and Jesse reviewed Paris has Fallen.
We had a lot of fun, but that that's better
than any right to be. I was also TikTok live
for Clash in Paris.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
I cover Clash in Paris. What a terrible show for
the most part.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
You poor beastard, You poor bastard.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
There were two good matches, two really good, too, genuinely
like quality matches.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Wednesday, Alexis is reviewing Twisted Metal season two. I will
be back on Thursday. It'll be myself in Shae just
means shake. It's a little a little fun time, a
little shay, and we're gonna be doing Kerry Gilliam movies.
We're gonna be looking at time Bandits, Uh, the Adventures
of Baron mont Hows and to keep telling my son

(01:28:40):
the Adventures of baronont Hows and if you're in Loathing
in las Ag what I watched for the first time today,
let me tell you how I was reminded. I don't
like two hours of rambling Johnny Depp on drugs.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
But this is bad country Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Next week we've got on Sunday, as I said, myself
and Jesse will be looking at Predator, Killer of Killers,
the Witches, Sirens of the Deep, and Love Me, which
I finally get to talk about. Movie I've been passionate
about all year. Next week, so Killer. Have you seen
Killer of Killers yet? Not yet?

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
I think the only notable thing about it is that
Michael Behan is a voice. Voice is one of the
characters who dies, so he now gets to join the
club of I have been killed on I have been
killed by a predator, an alien and the xenomorph. Sorry,
a predator, a xenomorph and a terminator.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
All right, so.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Club tim Bill Paxson and Lance Henrickson.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
So fuck you. It's August is over. The summer season
is over, and now we are in September. We are
into September ketchup season. So movies that came out over
the course of the first half of the year that
we didn't get to we were doing other stuff like Sinners,
Queen of the Ring, Magazine, Dreams, f One Drop. A

(01:30:04):
lot of these movies we didn't get to when they
came out. We were doing other things at the time,
So we load them up in September as part of
triple Features. This is the first one I wanted to do,
the Smashing Machine, but then the Smashing Machines wire going
about to October, so that's getting its own damnu Hollywood. However,
we will be doing a triple feature on Queen of
the Ring F one and Magazine Dreams, all available somewhere streaming.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
One of those is a good movie that'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
And then a week from Thursday, because Andrew can't do
the newsroom anymore, he has to wait till next year,
so I moved around my TV shows and instead I'm
gonna subject Jesse to Vinyl. That'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
That's that's mean.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Jesse and I like to talk music, so it'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
We'll talk more about music than you will the show, hopefully.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
So the thirteenth, I'm doing a comic strip with Evan Bevans.
We're looking at Naemona. We're going to compare the book
to the cartoon that's on Netflix. And then and then
at night, I will be TikTok Live for Canel versus
Crawford on Netflix because I don't do alternative commentaries anymore.
Your TikTok lives. Fuck all you people, how about that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
You're just continuing Mark. You will find the lowest common denominator.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Eventually, you all abandoned me after I abandoned you. That's
the problem. I abandon you and then come back, and
then you're supposed to embrace me and do what I
want you to do, and no one's doing that. So
oh I'm running away again to take.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Oh no, I get paid to do it. Now, whatever
will I do? I deserve that without hanging out with
you for six hours on Saturday, most of which is
dead air that we're watching and trying to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Oh, and then I almost fall asleep. That's the other
fun thing about the alternate commentary. Frequently I said, dude,
have you heard me on some of the ones I
did with Dan where we did the UFC, and I
was so fucking sleepy I started I stopped making sense.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Yeah I remember those.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Oh yeah, I was like talking in my sleep at
one point. All right, what do your plugs?

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
All right? You can find me covering mixed martial arts
and professional wrestling over at four one one mania dot Com.
I pinch Hit for Clash in Paris this Sunday, this
last Sunday, much like the Sunday previously. I Pinch Hit
to do AW and New Japan Pro Wrestling Forbidden Door
twenty twenty five study in contrast between AW and WWE.

(01:32:43):
So Mark, you watched clash in Paris, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
I was TikTok live. I don't know if I mentioned
that earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
You did? Real quick, tell me if I'm wrong about this.
Let me give you my star rating for the matches. Okay,
a slightly generous three and a half Reigns and Bronson Reid.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Okay, three stars for the Street Profits and Wyat six.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
One point five for uh Becky Lynch and Nikki Bella.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Are you gonna say it was being too generous because
I thought I was at time.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
I made the comment on TikTok there were giant holes
in their wrestling that you could fly a fucking jetliner through.
Like all I could hear is Steve Austin in the
back of my head going, you want to tighten that up?
For me, it's the opposite of snug.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
There's a lot wrong with that. The Donnybrook was next.
If memory serves.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
On Forbidden Door, I watched them throw Darby Allen on
his head. Nothing they did in that match matter to me.
It was fun to watch, but hang out with the monotony.
But like their street fight, when you've already seen when
I've had to sit through not only the fucking assholes
in the Arena Part twenty eight, but also Game Changer
Wrestling versus Juggalo Championship with a shoven fucking sticks in

(01:34:12):
their faces.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Viewers. Yeah, you get the stewers for the kebabs and
then you yep. So nothing there bothered me in that sense.
But was a well constructed, well wrestled match. I went
four and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Stars, okay, well, good few.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Four and a half again for John Cena and Logan Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
It was good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
And a generous three stars for the main event.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
And everyone yelled at you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Not really believe it or not?

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
The biggest gripes I've got I've received are one. I
got somebody going, don't you understand that it's good that
Triple H is letting wrestlers take time off because I
brought up that well Bronson eating Roman Reigns didn't need
twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Yeah, that match was excessive and it didn't need.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
A twenty minute postmatch angle.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
I was screaming about that on TikTok Live like it.
The first match was an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
Yeah, they spent an hour on one match, right, didn't
love that but so I complained about it. I expressed
my criticism, and the response I got was, but it's
so good that Triple H gives wrestler's time off. Like,
you're missing the point, my man. I'm happy for him

(01:35:37):
to say, you know what, you got a movie to shoot.
He's given you time. You got a minor injury, you
want to rest up instead of working through it? Heal up?
Good if I have to sit through one more stupid
stretcher job by the SETH riders. Yeah, because we've done
this a lot, I don't need to see it again.

(01:35:59):
We're doing it again. Oh great, Like it loses the effect.
It has no impact when you see it for the
umpteenth time again.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
On the other show, they threw a guy off a
ladder onto his head and he walked off and he
walked out.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Or you have Kenny Omega taking an elbow drop and
then spitting up a blood pack of blood after when
he tied.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
The st they had to they had to fucking stretch
a Roman Raine up because he got two splashes from
King Kong Bundy. That's what that amounted to.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Yeah, I again, my point is not that I want
Roman to be on every week if he's got something
to do when he does, then okay, I don't need
another stretcher job with you know, four tsunamis from Bronson Reid,
who I watched lose to Johnny Gargano, Like, I don't

(01:36:51):
need that. I don't need this badly paced show, and
a bunch of people were like again missing the point
so that one I had a few people going, wait
a minute, the show has two four and a half
star matches on it, and you gave it a barely
and you barely gave it a good rating overall it guys,
a show rating is not the average of star potential

(01:37:13):
for matches. There's a lot that goes into it. We
had a good crowd that helped.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
That was a hot crowd and a really good looking audience.
Like I actually, from an a sthetic point of view,
I really enjoyed Clash in Paris.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Oh yeah, the French crowds are great. So the crowd
helped a lot. Main event would have been lower without them.
For the record, so crowd helped. But it's a badly
paced show. Hey, did anything of real substance happen? Roman
was written off to go film the street Fighter movie.

(01:37:48):
Oh seth Rawlins retained, who's surprised?

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
And yeah, his wife I already thought was in the
Visionaries showed.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Up and Timu Marina Shaffir joined the seth Riders.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Yes, I saw that meme.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
It's funny because it's kind of true. So once again,
if I'm supposed to grade the overall show, I got to,
you know what, because of the crowd and because there's
two really good matches. You should go out of your
way to see seven out of ten good And people

(01:38:21):
get mad at me over that, and I don't know
what to say.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Okay, wrap it up, sonny.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
So I covered that there was no UFC event on Saturday.
There will be one that's coming Saturday. They're also in
Paris because the French government forked over enough money to
get t K to bring the circus to town.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
It's good. I'm glad to see the Arabs haven't completely
taken over France.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Well, it's still presented by Reo odd season Mark. Did
you miss that?

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
They made it very Oh you're not wrong about that? Yeah, oopsie.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
So yeah, and there's a lot of France versus Brazil
on this upcoming fight, and I believe it or not,
there's a lot of French fighters against Brazilian fighters, so nice,
that'll be fun. Anyway. I have a preview of that
card on the four one one Pound MMA podcast, so
get That'll listen if you're so inclined to the wacky,
went to the wide wacky wonder for the world of

(01:39:17):
mixed martial arts. I'll be covering SmackDown on Friday, UFC
event on Saturday, and yeah, next week we'll be back here.
We'll be back here like sisiphus.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
All right, well, folks, thank you for joining us here
on damn you, Hollywood. He's Robert. I have to pee.
Be well, we'll be safe and behave

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