Long Road to Ruin: The Toxic Avenger Movies (84-2000)

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I think it's cool. I really like the splash photos.

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I'm indeed well, folks, welcome to the Long Road to Ruin.
I am your host. The mandated reporter and Franklin, I'm mortified,
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(02:24):
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Ladies and gentlemen. She calls herself Kat, and that's what
we're gonna call her. How do you do, madam?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I'm good?

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Oh, hi Mark, so Kat.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Dorian occasionally will call me up because he is a pimp,
and he was like, I got this new It's like
I've got this new I've got this new gall I
want you to try out. And I go, Dorian, Dory
and leave me alone, don't bother me. And he was like, no, no,
I must bring you women. And I was like, well
you must then, you know, listen, the first time we
brought me worked out. Well, you know, he brought me
Mick and and Shay in that order. So yeah, I

(03:08):
was all right, I'm willing to take a flyer. So
here's your here's your chance. Why are you here? What
what possessed you to come into the vortex that is
the Ratlisim Broadcasting Network.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
I mean, well, I'm a condos sort of trash. I
think we talked about that earlier. I love horror.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
Oh yeah, duh h.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
I actually personally know Lloyd Kaufman and I have a
movie on Truman Now first month free otherwise four per
month is called Christmas Chaos. It is a mockumentary. It's
a love it's a love letter to horror fans, to

(03:52):
Slasher fans.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
That kind of thing outstanding. Yes, as you alluded to tonight,
we were talking about the Toxic Avenger movie. There's a
new Toxic Avenger remake out in the Earth this weekend.
So as we do on the Long World, and we
haven't already done it, we usually will go back and
look at the originals on this show before the new

(04:14):
remake or sequel or equel or prequel, you know, or
legacy sequel, whatever we're calling them these this week comes out. Hey,
just let me get Sean in here. Sean comer, he Sean,
You're not what's going on? Buddy?

Speaker 7 (04:27):
Hey? Everybody, can you hear me? I had a few
technical difficulties. I had to kind of snake my way
through before I could get here.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I can't tell if this is the Storian.

Speaker 8 (04:38):
Yeastorian just g is his old company.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Okay, I bring you Sean. I said before you came on,
it was just like Dorian's job is to bring me women,
fresh women. And so now you're caught up how he's saying,
you got so.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Much for the women? How much for the little girl?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
We want one? All right? So now that the gang
is all here, yes, we are here to talk about
the original Toxic Avenger movies. When we talk about the
Toxic Avenger franchise, we're not just talking about for splatter
comedies strung together. We're talking about a cultural artifact that
keeps mutating with the times. Each movie isn't just a sequel,

(05:18):
it's a snapshot of where trash cinema collides with the mainstream.
The original Toxic Avenger in nineteen eighty four is pure
grindhouse rebellion. This is a superhero movie made in the
age of Superman and the emerging blockbuster, but instead of
a clean cut hero saving Metropolis, we get a janitor
dumped in with two two in all in toxic waste

(05:40):
mutated into a deformed freak and unleashed on Tromoville. It's ugly,
it's violence, juvenile, and that's why it worked. It gave
midnight audiences an antidote to Hollywood polish. It said, here's
the superhero for kids who don't belong, for the ones
who think Superman is too boring and too clean, so
say we all. By nineteen eighty nine, Trauma was trying
to go bigger, because that's what you do. And that's

(06:02):
where the Toxic Avenge Part two comes in. Instead of
keeping it small and nasty, they ship Toxi off the
Japan like you do in a road comedy that leaned
heavily on slapstick. The gore was still there, but the
tone was sillier, oh so very silly, broader, and even
a little desperate to capture international appeal. Remember this was
the height of VHS, the Ninja Turtle creates, Go Ninja,

(06:23):
Go Ninja Go, and studios trying to globalize franchises. Trauma
wanted to prove it could play in that sandbox, but
what we got was more goofy than grotesque. Later that
same year, Part three, the Last Temptation of Toxi, and
this is where the series really takes a turn. They
recycled a lot of unused footage from Part two but
spun it into a new story about Toxi selling out

(06:44):
to a corporation so he could look normal. It's less
about gore and more about parentying, capitalism, greed, and even religion.
The late nineteen eighties and early nineties were full of
anti corporate satire. Think you Know, RoboCop or They Live.
Trauma wanted to plant its flag there, but the executions
felt thin and fans missed the anarchic energy of the
first movie. It was transgressive and idea, but not an impact. Then,

(07:07):
after a long gap, we get Citizen Toxy the Toxic
Avenger four yesh in two thousand and This is where
Trauma roars back with a vengines. The tone is no
longer silly or half hearted satire. It is full throttle filth.
We get doppelgangers, porn star cameos, offensive jokes, ultra violence,

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and unapologetic political incorrectness. By this time, mainstream culture had
caught up the Trauma. South Park, Jackass, and shot comedy
were everywhere, so Trauma doubled down to prove it could
still outgross the mainstream. Citizen Toxy is basically a declaration
this is who we are, This trash cinema and most extreme.

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And if you can't handle it, you don't belong here,
don't watch at all. When you look at these four
films together, you see a mutation. The first film is Rebellion,
the second is Expansion, the third is Satire, the fourth
is Reclamation. Each one reflects the cultural moment it was made,
from Reagan's clean cut heroes to late eighties global franchising,
to anti corporates that tired of Turn of the Millennium

(08:10):
shock value, and through it all the grossest never went away.
Because that's the point. Gross isn't an accident in this franchise.
It's the engines'es how trauma flipped the bird to Hollywood,
and how the West processes its obsession with Philip Decay
in transgression. That's why Toxic Avenger it endures. Not because
the movies are good, trust me, half the time, they're

(08:31):
barely watchable.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
Jesus fucking Christ, you shut your bad damn hooremouth.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
But because they're honest about what they are.

Speaker 7 (08:40):
No, I won't.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Go you m They're trash and proud of it, and
in that way, here is actually cultural irrelevant now as
they were in nineteen eighty four. Cat. Let me go
to you first, and I'll do a roundtable, then we'll
jump into the first movie. What what specifically brought you
to the Toxic Avenger? What made you a fan so
much so that you're spending an hour or two with
us discussing it.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Well?

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Uh, So I had a older brothers, right, Uh. One
is one is fifteen years older than me. One is
eight years older than me. So I'm a child of
the nineties. I grew up with in the VHS era.
And the one that was eight years older than me,

(09:27):
the one that was probably about sixteen or seventy at
the time, used to rent from this little trash video
place called pick a Video, right, and he get like
Return of Living Dead part three, he gets face as
of Death. Uh. And he would also get like the
Toxic Avengers. So him and his buddies would like drink

(09:48):
fucking Mickey's or Mad Dog twenty twenty or whatever and
watch these movies. And I just kind of how I
saw a Toxic Adventure. And I saw it like a
couple of times, like I'm as a kid. I caught

(10:10):
it on uple night once with Gilbert Godfrey, and somebody
helped me out. Who was his co host. It was
a chick who went all night thank you, ah, you
know so, And I really liked it. And then years later,
I'm an adult and I find it on on on Netflix,

(10:30):
and nobody wanted like to sit down and on the
watch with me, but I had my friend I'm went over.
We we split a twelve pack, and he goes, yeah,
I'll watch that piece of shit. So we watched it,
and I'm like, I remember how much I love this movie, Like, like,

(10:53):
the first part of it is a little bit of
a rough watch because it really makes you hate those people.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
But yet.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
It's one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Shay, you always come on when you have a passion
for something, and I know, and after doing enough podcasts
with you, I know that this has to be right
square in your reality. This is where you skew. And
since you chose to be here, tell me all about
your great love and affection and fetization for the Toxic Avenger.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
So this is absolutely in my wheelhouse.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I am a product of the early two thousands, the
Napster and LimeWire era, and when I wasn't trolling the
five dollars Walmart movie bins, I was scouring the Internet
for literally anything that I could find. I found the
Toxic Avenger in a Yeah, I believe it was a

(11:49):
torrent that was like fantastic films, and none of the
films were fantastic, but it was toxic venture.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
It was with Edwood. It was ed Wood.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Film ship ton of like films, and I'm pretty sure
there were a couple of actual snuff films in there.
It It was a very strange mixture of movies. But
that's that's where a lot of my love for it started.
And I absolutely adore, I adore into been independent films,

(12:22):
things where people have just poured their heart and sold
into it in spite of not having the means to
actually do much of anything. And I also I also
love just absolute campy uh.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
I think I'm pretty sure we've said this before.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
One of some of my favorite straight plays are like
ed Wood Planned nine from out of Space, in the
Tax of fifty Foot Woman, and then all of the
Universal Monster movies.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yep, Sean, is this something I have inflicted upon you?
Or did you come? Will? And have you have you been?
Have you seen the Toxic Avenger movies before?

Speaker 7 (13:06):
I had not seen The Toxic Avenger before I somehow
had already gotten my introduction to Trauma, but had never
seen Trauma's flagship franchise. My introduction to it was actually
seeing Cannibal the musical at a marching band party when

(13:26):
I was in high school, and it has endured as
one of my all time favorite comedies ever since then.
I introduced it to Alexis when she and I were together.
I have since introduced it to Anne now that she
and I are married, and I will bust it out
anytime somebody just kind of wants something fresh to laugh at.

(13:50):
At some point in the early days when Netflix was
streaming movies instead of sending them out in the mail,
I remember catching G's Christ Vampire Hunter when it was
streaming there, and so I kind of came into the
first movie anyway, really knowing what to expect. And look,

(14:15):
I too love independent, I especially love independent Hoorror. I've
never made any bones about that. I think it's one
of definitely these genres where people are the freest to experiment,
be bold, and make statements without being handcuffed. Having said

(14:39):
all that, just because something is indeed does not fucking
make it good.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
The first movie, by the way, boy, we said that
a lot.

Speaker 7 (14:52):
The first movie I actually believe is legitimately good, and
the second thing that I have I have to kind
of declare here and by the way, if you disagree
with this, I look forward to ignoring the comments. I
kind of get fucking tired of talking about the so

(15:14):
called so that they're good movies, because the problem is,
especially in the last decade or two, it's become evident
that a lot of the people making these movies missed
the entire fucking point because the Toxic Avenger came out

(15:36):
at a point before Mystery Science Theater three thousand in particular,
had kind of pushed the idea of rifting on movies
from interstitial segments by horror hosts like Alvirah, Joe Bob Briggs,
so on and so forth into this really kind kind

(16:00):
of mainstream nerd concept. But the thing that a lot
of people missed was the fact that when Joel Hodgson
and Mike Nelson and the various bot actors and whatnot
were all riffing on these movies, rarely did you ever

(16:22):
see them get kind of pointively mean about it or ironic.
It was more so they were taking movies that were
someone's genuine level best effort. You know, they just wanted
to make movies. They love movies. They wanted to make movies,
but they didn't want to wait around until they had

(16:42):
the acumen of like Scorsese or a Coppla or a
Spielberg or a Felini or someone like that to make
the movies that they wanted to see. They just wanted
to learn by doing, and on a certain level, I
think they kind of respected that, and I think everyone
kind of did. You know, you can reference movies like
ed Wood and whatnot, and that I think is the

(17:04):
kind of category that the first Toxic Avenger falls into.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, hang on, let me let me jump in here,
let me can move this on. So I've never seen
these before. I did this because there's a new Toxic
Avenger coming out and this is kind of what I do.
But somebody's been asking me recently, because I've been doing
a lot more TikTok than this, are you going to
drop this? And I said no, because it's this is
what gets me to watch stuff. Doing these podcasts kind

(17:29):
of you know, looking at the regular spine of the
new movies that are coming out and then what can
I pair with them? And things like that. So doing
like Long Road dru and a triple feature whatever get
me to watch stuff I wouldn't have normally watched. Sean
will tell you there's a long running history of me
not liking anything that's gross. I have a real aversion
to liquid gross.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
Well, now, if I may interrupt you, for those who
got a little bit of a history lesson, this is
kind of why in the early days of the show
we only did the horror movies Mark Cruising.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Or or we did horror movies that were just straight
up slashers.

Speaker 7 (18:05):
Yeah. Well, you know, Daddy went on vacation and Robert
and I picked something we wanted we wanted to watch,
and then we took a few shows and just kind
of had our fun.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
So the point that was, yes, So I've never been
a huge fan of this early gross. I still have
some issues with it, but uh so, I never so
I watched a lot, especially during my film snob years
in my early twenties. I watched a lot of Trauma.
I watched a lot of Roger Korman. I was big

(18:37):
into the you know, to the exploitation movies, whether it
be black none, you know, you name it. It's like
if it was a subcategory that was being exploited. I
watched a lot of those movies. I still I have
one of my prize possessions. I have a T shirt
from a Nudi QT that was converted to from a
drive in feature to to DVD called New Nude On.

(18:59):
The movie tells you a lot about my tastes. But
I yeah, I was a big collector of all like
driving these, the something weird videos, trauma, all those like
independent studios from like the seventies and whatnot. But I
never saw the Toxic Avenger. So this this has been
an experience so far. Let's jump into the first movie here.

(19:22):
I'm not gonna do like a whole long dissertation. We
have a we have a nerd. He he's the mop
boy at a at a spa and Jim and he
is bullied by those they are in and a truck
happens to drive by one day with uncovered, uncovered loose

(19:42):
barrels of toxic waste like you do, and they proceed
to commit just the jolliest of felonies. As he fucking
He's chased around the building and dives out of windows
smack dab into one of the barrels and he becomes
the Toxic Avenger, and then this is basically a slasher movie.
He just know it's a revenge. It's John Wick meets

(20:03):
fucking Halloween. He's just running around killing all the people
that wronged him that are also terrible people, and we
cheer in every single time, and it's just one gross
gag after another. The caveat to this is along the
way he meets a blind woman and this is their
tribute to the thing, I guess, because the blind woman
sees the beauty beneath, you know, the beauty inside, and
they fall in love and that's the romance interest and that, folks,

(20:26):
is the Toxic Avengery. He clears Traumaville of all the evil,
one gross gag at a time. Cat, this is like
your bag, this is your baby. So I'll start you off,
tell me what you thought of this movie and what
other bits of information you've been wanting to share with us.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
So I fucking love this movie.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
This is.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
It that opening scene with body talk playing and like
it's like it shows like what's going on in the
Treumaville health club and everybody's like doing like aerobics and
working out and mm hmmm. It feels like a parody
of an eighties movie but made in nineteen eighty four,

(21:11):
which I love kind of, I would saying about anybody
familiar with the movie Perfect with Jimmy Lee Curtis and
yes John Jabold, like yeah, like it almost feels like
perfect mm hmm in this that song gets caught in

(21:34):
my head probably once a week from I don't know,
from when I was a kid until probably the day
I die. I'll be on my deathbed singing Bud.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
He talk, but he talk.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
It's just so good. Uh and you missed a couple
of steps here, so wasn't about what, like, I don't know,
ninety seconds there's.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Boobs, Yeah, there are.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah eighties boobs pan lighted eighties boobs, which yeah, amazing,
I will say that. Uh So the guy that plays
Bozo actually like really messed up his neck because he's
like he's draining so hard, but he's like, you're stressing me, Julie.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
That he was.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
He was like legitimately injured for a while. But yeah,
he was not even supposed to be playing that role.
Anybody know who was No Vincent Inafrio, Oh really, Yeah,
I learned this from my partner, and I verified this

(22:54):
with both Lloyd and h through you know Google Foo. Yeah,
he was the sposed to play Bozo in the Toxic Avenger,
but he got fired from the set because he was
an asshole, which like, how bad do you have to
be on a trauma movie to like, you know, get

(23:15):
fired from Toxic Avenger.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's really funny.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah, and I will say also Marissa Tome, isn't it
for like a second, it's like a blink and you
miss it?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Oh? Really, I'm guessing she's one of the eighty minutes
of Jim footage.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
She's in a towel, like towards like when he's chasing
truly through through uh onto the gym.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
He's she's in a towel and he like runs after
her and she's there, goes ah, and then yeah, he goes,
oh sorry miss, and then she's right after Julie Oh
her okay, yes, m yeah, she's she's maybe twenty, but

(24:15):
you know she's from New Jersey, so it she'sgether from
New York or New Jersey. I'm not sure which one,
but yeah, she's in it for like it's it's a
blank and you miss it.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Let me cut in here, Shaye, tell me what you
thought of the movie. This first one, the first.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
One I thought was was really fantastic. It's kind of
It really is one of those It's one of those
cheesy independent films that make you understand why these movies
need to exist, because they were genuinely trying to make
a really compelling, a really compelling spoof of the superhero genre,

(24:59):
and it it was doing things that you couldn't really
do any anywhere else at the time. It it hasn't
aged particularly well, but I find that there's a lot
of things in the eighties that have an age particularly well.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
It was a whole of the world back then.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
It was. It was a very different world, not only
not only with like.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
How the culture was, but also with with the special
effects that they were doing and the film techniques. It
just it's very much a time capsule in both good
and bad ways.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay, Sean, this is this first ridiculous movie. What'd you
think of it?

Speaker 7 (25:48):
This is such an earnest, gloriously punk rock horror movie.
I love so much of it. I adure the craft,
I I adore the ingenuity. I love the fact that
it's actually fucking trying. We'll get to you three other
fuckers in a little bit, because Mark cut me off

(26:11):
from the point I was actually trying to make about you.
But I will get back to that, I promise you.
I love the fact that this movie isn't jumping up
its own ass. It's just I have nothing to legitimately
hate about this movie. I'm kind of sorry that because

(26:34):
I can now see why this was what put trauma
on the map. I can see why this is what
everybody thinks of because much like Cannibal the musical, there
is you can't deny it. It may be clumsy at times,
it may seem like it's very diy and ugly, and

(26:56):
you know, not necessarily always having any idea what we're doing,
and it doesn't always necessarily work. But the fact is,
even when it doesn't, you find ways to appreciate the
little workarounds and how it feels like a true attempt
at horror. Schlocky. Yes, but there's no they make no

(27:21):
bones about the fact that it's like if you're watching it,
if you've ever watched the anime High School of the Dead.
One of my favorite critiques of that I've ever heard
was back in the day from now kind of retired
and interviewer in nam Yezwe pocrity who says it doesn't

(27:42):
try it doesn't try to pretend to be anything that
it isn't. That's that is the most respectful thing that
I can say about this. And I mean it from
and I mean it from the heart. It is everything
that is good about that got it at a c
local VHS store, Horror that so many of us grew

(28:02):
up on, the kind of shit that you just didn't
pick up necessarily at a blockbuster. You had to get
it from the local video shack that had the beaded
curtain over the back room and some fat yuts that
smelled that smelled like mountain dew despair and hot pockets
behind the counter, probably watching something like Face of Death.

(28:24):
And so it's a fucking nostalgia trip for me because
those were the horror movies that got me into the genre.
So for this one, Mark, I actually have to thank
you for suggesting this franchise because I enjoyed the ever
loving the Jesus out of this movie.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
So my thoughts on this person when I watched it
with my kids, which there were times I questioned my
own parenting. But at this point, but at this point,
my eleven year old had seen booths before. You know,
I have to say so I I he's been big.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
If you, if you ever question your own parenting, please
remember that my first memory not my first memory of
a horror movie. My first memory, period is a subspecies
two fair.

Speaker 7 (29:11):
Never forget that second grade Sean talked Colin Comber into
renting RoboCop for I do remember that.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
So oh, I'm sorry, I'm just gonna piggyback over that.
If ever question your own parenting and whatever, just remember
nine year old me convincing my sister in law to
rent Face of four because I wanted to impress my

(29:39):
older brother, and then watching it with my mom.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Nice, well done. Yeah. So, as a really quick aside,
he's been begging me to watch the Airplane movies and
they keep saying no, there's like a scene with his
just tips everywhere in the year eleven, and there are
standards propriety. Son. Then we watched this and he looked
at me and he was like, now, now can I
watch Airplane?

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Honestly, I feel like you should have Like I feel
like you should have started with Airplane And then like
worked your way out.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
But all right, son's family moveing, and we're gonna start
with deep throat and worker way down to snow white.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
Yes, sorry, missus Jones.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
All right, So my thoughts about this movie I have.
I don't hold you know, independent, you know, be movies
to the same level as I do, you know, prescege
cinema or even like you know, mid range something like
ghost Spotsters or something like that. These are what they are.

(30:47):
These are gorilla punk rock movies that are generally aiming
the you have a stick right in the belly of
whoever's watching them, and this largely does so. I actually
think the toxic Avenger is very effect active and what
it does. Mind you, my kids and I were hooting
and hollering the whole movie. We were laughing our asses off.
Like you know, I've introduced them to the the concept

(31:12):
of heckling. You know, you brought Sean brought up Mystery
Science Theater three thousand. Like they they are. They are
well versed in in heckling movies. And there are times
where there's just nothing really to say, like they might
make a joke here or there, because you know, when
we're home watching them that neither one of them will

(31:32):
shut up. But this one there was heckling from start
to finish, heart faces from laughing so hard, and tears
in the eyes. This was an enjoyable family experience. But
what did I think?

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Oh, I'm so sorry, guys, but like, like, it's a
horror comedy. It's too great taste that tastes great together.
And also like you can tell that, but so you
always tell when a movie loves its characters. Yeah, and

(32:08):
this movie loves its characters. It even loves the villains
so took out of its.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Pacing from Jaws. I noticed, you know it, once he
falls in the toxic ways, you don't really see him.
He's a lot of lurking in shadow, pulling somebody off screen.
It takes a while, and I started to wonder if
you were ever going to actually see him him from
the front, because there's a bunch of scenes of him

(32:33):
where you only see him from the back, and to
the point where my son and I were both like,
this is really good. They are saving the grotesque reveal
for later on in the movie, like we're building towards it,
and like, look, half of these movies are made so poorly.
I got to give credit where credits due.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
So I like that you don't even see his face
until I forty five minutes in.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
That's what I'm saying. It's again, it's a Jaws reveal.
One of the things the second, third, and fourth movie
are really bad about this. This one kept it to
at least somewhat of a minimum. The movie doing movie voice.
Everyone knows they're in a movie, and you know, and
it's it's there was this. There was a vocal aesthetic
in the like the old black and white like gangster movies,

(33:15):
where everyone talks like this, say you know, and everyonhere
like they Judy Garland and the Wizard of Oz knows
she's in a fucking movie. She talks like it. Everyone
is giving actor performance, which is not something that we're
really used to now because now everyone's going out of
their way to sound like human beings. So there's the
lost art of the breath, the actor performance, and it

(33:36):
is very much here in this movie. This is this.
This did not feel like they were going for real
life in any way. They very much like, no, no,
we know where a movie. This is this?

Speaker 8 (33:47):
Very they are a very.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
That's what I was going for, Like this is this?
This feels more like a stage performance than it does
a movie. Yeah, I will say also, if you can
kind of deal with like the pulling sausage grossness of
this kind of horror movie, this one is in bed.
The next three get gets so much more, especially the
fourth one. The fourth one's not unwatchable, but this one

(34:13):
they made a point of just kind of doing a
lot of like we're just gonna pull guts out. And
I say this often, like, oh, you know, horror movies
is just you take a panful of guts and you
throw it at the camera. Then there's this movie going
We're literally gonna do that. That's all we're gonna do
is have him dig in them into a body, into
a cavity, grab gook and throw it at the screen.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
I mean when they run over that kid on the bike,
I'm like, no, he's still moving.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Out. I have to say this. I talk so much
on damn you Hollywood, how there's no courage in film today,
Like you refuse to kill a kid on screen. And
then there's this movie O and we have no compulsions
about this sort of thing, like well, absolute get a
kid on screen.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
It's so funny because like like like I'm a mom,
so this should suck me up. But I'm just pointed.
But like, watch this with my kid who's eight, and
I'm just like courting at the screen.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Or halve the way. Again, it's classic horror structure. He
just what I liked about this movie. I thought that
this doesn't work for me is outside of the love interest.
They really went out of their way to make Tromaville
awful just so, where like it's something we talk about

(35:36):
in like the structure of horror, where if sometimes it's
more effective if you don't want to see them all killed,
so when they do, you actually have an emotional reaction.
But the other the opposite is also true, where everyone
is so awful you want them, like clearly they want
they He's not Jason, he's not Michael, he's not Freddie.

(35:56):
They want you to cheer for him. He is He
is not a four that Nancy is trying to defeat.
He is a foolish you are trying to cheer He's
the hero of the movie. Yeah, it's an interesting take
because on the one hand, as we've said, he's a
horror monster doing slasher stuff. On the other hand, he's Superman.
He's he's he's aspirational in some ways, which I thought

(36:18):
was a really interesting kind of satirical look at superheroes,
which yeah, which I would imagine was somewhat intentional, but
it's done like done at the level of like the
punk rock kid in ap English, Like I'm gonna I'm
gonna take this really aspirational story and appeal all over
it because I can. All right, the last round here

(36:43):
of discussion, then we'll move on to the second one.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Go ahead, Kat, I mean, but you just up a
lot of good points for me, especially when he's compared
to who he was before Melvin, like at the beginning,
like he puts them mop in the hot tub. It's

(37:07):
like he should be like honestly, I'm like, well, I'm
not a bullet, but I kick his ass too, like
I you know, like I wouldn't, I wouldn't go as
far as like what they did, but like like.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
They set him up to be like, yeah, he.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
He's a nerd. He deserves this almost like I don't know, ah,
And then you know, of course he goes through his
like transformation and gets lit on fire and you're like
and everybody's pointing and laughing at him. Even the cops.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I have to I have to cut in here because
through these four movies, I have one complaint, Shay, one,
and I need you to explain to me, Shaye, I
don't need show under extend, I don't need Caatrix Queen,
and I am pointing squarely at you to save me, Shay,
save mak Ratlage from this one giant inconsistent through this
entire franchise. Yes, yes, Why does he only sometimes burn

(38:10):
people and things? Like they gave him this power of
he's toxic? He burns and melts everything, except that it
conveniently turns off when he doesn't need it, like when
he's you know, banging abroad or you know, touching anything
they don't want to be on fire. It was wildly inconsistent, Shay,
and I expect something of this cinematic quality to be consistent.

Speaker 8 (38:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
So I have I have a biological explanation that is
practicing way more than they actually thought thought through the.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Movie Love It, Hit It, Johnny.

Speaker 8 (38:47):
So, there are certain animals that can produce.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Uh, generally by mixing various chemicals inside of their bodies,
either light or ink or an ask oh, not an
acid poisoned and there are some things that are released
by due to stress, So it could have changed his
body in a way that his skin would secrete this

(39:14):
flammable this flammable acid that combusts when it comes into
contact with normal human like skin oils and ship like that.
But I think it I think the real answer there
might have just been it's cool for them to set
on fire at this point.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Right, fire is cool.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
We learned that, Yeah, Like we learned that from Beefs
and Sothead, we learned that from for Rio.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I think maybe that might be like
my one criticism about this movie, my one criticism, and
that is just the one, just the one. Really, I
think he needed a scene where someone was teaching him
how to use his powers. We needed a training montage
and a mentor. I mean we.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Already got the romantic one where him and Sarah are like,
you know, like decorating his garbage house and she's making
him a bunch of eggs with like the pats of
butter that haven't been removed from the package.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
My son, he's got a hole. It's wonderful, like yeah, like.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Like that kind of thing, like actually like oh.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Like it warms my practic little heart. When I get,
you know, like when we get what I call like
the Mask montage, not the Mask with JOm Carried, but
mask from from on the eighties. So like I love

(41:06):
like like, I love like the whole falling in love
without ever shaing his space, like like the beauty comes
from within. I love that. That's my favorite, Sean.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I'll give you the final word on this and then
we'll move on to the Toxic Avenger two. Any final
thoughts on the craft of this movie, just a.

Speaker 7 (41:29):
Few quick ones. I really like the way that they
shrouded his appearance for the better part of the movie,
not because it serves to make the eventual reveal more
effective and it maintain some mystery and a little bit
of tension, but also, and I would imagine Shane kat

(41:50):
could probably speak to this more than I do, more
than I could. Obviously, this is trauma, so when you're
not King with James Cameron, Ridley Scott budgets here. That's
kind of a brilliant but also narratively effective workaround to

(42:11):
the fact that obvious this isn't just a spirit Halloween mask,
I mean, no special effects makeup really is. It's an
expensive process to put that on and work with a
day after day. You have to pay makeup artists for
the entire shoot. There's the material, there's stuff that has
to be kind of redone from scratch every day. So

(42:34):
having shots where maybe you don't necessarily have to have
him in the full makeup at all times is a
great way to kind of serve both masters. And again
it serves the fact that this was actual, honest, god effort.
It really was. If you wanted to put this on

(42:54):
something like a latter day Mystery Science Theater three thousand
and rip it a little, you know what, fair fair
I could. I could absolutely live with that. But at
the end of the day, it's still enjoyable because it
knows what it is and it's everything that the other

(43:19):
three movies that we watched this week absolutely fucking were not.
And I even like the way the voice changes when
Melvin eventually becomes Toxy and how it becomes, you know,
notably kind of stunningly deeper and even a little more compelling.

(43:43):
You don't have the movie voice, narration and everything that
would absolutely plague the next movies. It's it's a little
bit easier to you know, even as you're watching this
and you know it's schlock, it's still a little bit
easier to suspend your disbelief a little bit and just

(44:04):
let yourself get into the stupid story. So and that's
why I would I would say, absolutely, one hundred percent
check this one out. You could be forgiven, if not understood,
for skipping everything everything else. But I think this is
one that God help me. This might seem like overstatement,

(44:26):
I would say every indie horror filmmaker should probably watch
at least once. And it wouldn't surprise me if watching
this was the reason some some filmmakers decided to jump
into horror. And frankly, I think fine choice top marks.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
This has very much like an earnest spirit to it.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
It.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Also, this isn't like angry in a self like loathing sense,
you know, or like you know, outwardly hating its audience.
And this is, you know, the movie very much felt like,
what are some of the worst things that we can
deal with in the world? That's this gonna be this movie,
which I think works in its favor. And I say

(45:12):
that because then we move on to the Toxic Avenger two,
and it and the Toxic Avenger two was every is
every movie where that you do the sequel and the
and the guy comes up to you and says, sell
out and you'll make a million dollars. Okay, so we
gotta soften your image. Now we're gonna change this. We're
gonna do this. We're gonna make you not what you are,
and you're gonna make a million dollars doing it.

Speaker 7 (45:34):
That work in fast food? Oh my life, right?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Sell out? Oh oh yeah? So this movie they go
to Japan, like all good movies in this era, did
again go Ninja, Go Ninja go?

Speaker 7 (45:50):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (45:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
It was like and that's the other thing. It was like, like,
we have a bigger budget, Now what are we gonna
do with it? Go to Japan. That's the thing that
we do.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
So one fucking saw Bad News Bears.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Oh my god. I'm not kidding when I say this
is a goddamn trope, but it was we've done that,
can We've done Jersey? He burnt New Jersey to the
fucking ground, Like, well where else can we dacim, We'll
take them to Japan. You know. I was explaining to
my kids recently, like the whole we had a for
those for those of you as old as I am.
You may remember there was a period of time in
the eighties called that was uh japan bashing. People were

(46:29):
not happy about Japanese stars and the influence of Japanese
culture in America. Many years later, that's all will want
his Japanese culture. But that's besides the point. So, like,
this movie fits into that era of filmmaking and that
era of American culture really nicely, not to its benefit.
Though this is a chilly movie. No, don't get me wrong.

(46:52):
This will be the last. First of all, this is
the last time I will enjoy this series. I laughed
my ass off at this. I thought this was hilarious,
but but it is. I know, I was talking about
girlfriend because he was watching me watch it and having
not had seen the first one, and I'm watching him
deal with the corrupt, you know, uh, corporate people, and

(47:14):
the watching him go to Japan and I go in
and all this other stuff that's happening, and I'm laughing,
and she's like, why do you like think this is entertaining?
And I'm like, cause it's beyond stupid. It's so it's
so it's the first one wasn't childish. This one is childish.
This one is. This one is like the adults made

(47:36):
the first one and then gave it to their kids
to make, and the kids made the second and third one.
Because it comes off that way, it comes off as
excessively juvenile. So so the sum total of this movie
is Toxi has cured Trauma of its evil and now, uh,

(47:56):
there are corporate entities wanting to impose their will on this,
but they got to get rid of Toxi, so they
invent a reason for him to go to Japan. He
goes in search of his father, and so while he's there,
they then wrap their tentacles around Trauma and make it
evil again. And and here we do get a montage
training scene because it's Japan. He has to learn to

(48:18):
be a sumo. Do you get it? He's Jeff fucking
Jokazuno over here. He's Japan. He's in Japan, so he's
gotta be a sumo. So anyway, it's exactly, it's a
fun little romp through like uh, metropolitan Japanese culture, and

(48:42):
it's kind of fun to poke fun at that, and
it's nice to see the Japanese be willing to make
fun of themselves. Uh. He comes back to trauma and
he defeats the bad guys and it's the same shit
we saw in the first movie. Just sillier cat your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Okay. So, as sad as I was to see Sarah
get replaced with Claire, I actually prefer Claire to Sarah.
His blind girlfriend who's played by the immntally talented Poebe Lagaire.
She's a great musician. She's gorgeous. I mean just look

(49:19):
at her, like she is so eighties hot, Like she
looks like Leada Ford, and Leada Ford played the accordion,
not the guitar.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Uh crossed with weird al there we go.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
Actually, let's that's really good you. Also, this is the
first with uh. Also, this is Michael Jay White's first movie.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
I knew he looked familiar, Like yeah, no, no, he's
the one who like actually.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Gets away alive because oh I've got to go to
church and then he just runs off in the other direction. Yeah.
And this is childish, but my son fucking loves this
movie because it's just cartoon violence for his age, right,
like they turned people or no, uh, he turns someone

(50:17):
into soup.

Speaker 8 (50:19):
H I loved that joke.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
So to get the dude was my girlfriend.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yes, and the only chair.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
He's started to turn ups and leaks and ship and
he has he started with his mop.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
By we'd have been laughing. But you know this is
supposed to be you know, it's like you mean he's
making cannibal soup.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
No, yeah, And I mean and that thing he does
with some of the fish cake is my fucking favorite. Yeah, yeah,
Like I have an enormous respect for this movie, even
though it was made by and for ten year olds.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Right, yes, it was three year old. That's amazing.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Exactly, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
All right, let me go over to you, Shay Shay,
did did it turn you Japanese? Do you really think so? I?

Speaker 8 (51:27):
I do very much think so. But this.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I think uh, I think I'm one hundred percent with
you on this. This is this is the last of
the toxic Kevender ones that I that I liked, and
I really did.

Speaker 8 (51:41):
I did really like this. I honestly did kind of
like the.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Childish nature of the film. It felt very much like
Power Rangers for me.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, right down the Yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
It was so ampy and it was funny and it
had It's one of the last ones that still had
decent enough effects, Like, none of the effects in this
in this series are good. But I think this is
the last one where Taxi's eye still moves independently, and

(52:24):
it just it had it still had some really creative kills,
It still had a really fun tone, and it just
seems like this is the last one that they actually
thought about.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
This also begins the trend of these becoming mildly rape
which is it's just troubling for me because the first
one doesn't really do that, but it starts here when
Girls with the Girl in Japan, and then by the
by Citizen Toxi, we've gone full porn. Go ahead, kat,
all right, so.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
You say the first one isn't that rapee but but
the first one also includes the line I've always wanted
to cornhole me a blank bitch.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Like, I think it just becomes a lot more apparent
as the series goes on, especially all of them at
the same time.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Weirdly, it's more subtle than the first movie, so very
subtle as we go along.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Right. Oh, also, so the second and third movie we're
supposed to be only one movie, right by the way,
but yeah, so here, okay, I'm done. Sorry, not that guy, sure, I.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Want you to jump in here. Your thoughts on uh
Toxy goes to Japan.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
Well, first off, I'm now very intrigued by that notion
that they were supposed to be just one movie. M
that's kind of that's kind of interesting. I hope we
come back to that. The juvenile tone works for a
little while before it starts to get really fucking old.

(54:10):
I actually enjoyed that absurd, anachronistic, chaotic initial fight scene
at the School for the Blind, just because that was
so much throwing shit at the wall and not caring
it and sticks.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
My god, it was like Joey Janella's clusterfuck Forever.

Speaker 7 (54:28):
Oh God. But somehow, somehow I was still entertained by it.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I'm like Joey Jael's clusterfucking keep going exactly.

Speaker 7 (54:37):
But the two things that stuck out is kind of
surprising to me about this are that, Number One, when
I realized the setting was gonna be in Japan, I
was expecting full on eighties jingoism, and it never really
shows up that way. Definitely not in the way that

(55:00):
did in a lot of other movies of the decade.
It's pretty impressive that I can say that this was
less racist than Short Circuit. But the other thing that
stood out to me was the fact that a lot
of the kills if and I don't say this is

(55:21):
a bad thing, I say it as just like there's
an alternate universe where Toxic Avenger two is basically Terrifier
before its time. Some of those kills, if you had
played them a little bit straighter and gone a little
bit darker, would have actually been right at home in

(55:46):
a serious, major studio horror movie like a Fighting the
Thirteenth movie, or a Child's play or even a Nightmare
on Elm Street. They wouldn't have felt out of place.
And I need that as a genuine compliment, because they
were both entertaining and imaginative and kind of properly gory.

(56:08):
But really the problem is that's kind of where my
compliments have to start ending, because this movie is where
they start getting into the kinds of bad movies that
I was starting to complain about earlier, and that's the
ones where the people who really missed what worked about

(56:28):
MST three K started setting out to make so bad
they're good movies and we got inflicted with shit like
Sharknado movies where they're trying to pander to the riffers
and god knows on this channel. Over the years, I've
made no bones about the fact that I have no

(56:50):
personal love loss for Noah Anwyler. But one of the
most accurate things he ever said is that is that
trying to review a movie like Sharp Nado is like
someone takes a giant, intentional steaming crap on your floor

(57:10):
and then points at the turd and then says, there,
review that. What am I going to say about that?
You weren't trying to do something and failed at it,
You succeeded at shitting on my floor? What am I
honestly going to rip on here? That's not just gonna
be just playing into your pandering. And this is where,

(57:33):
like I said, the movie really starts to kind of
get up at the movie start getting out their own ass,
and you start getting way that. They start kind of
gently with a little bit of fourth wall breaking in
the opening intro, but then it gets to where everything
in the movie is just narration. It's just Toxy being

(57:59):
back to sounding like Melvin again, just narrating what's happening,
like I'm a fucking dumb shit that can't look at
the screen and suss out what's going what's going on here.
It's like it's like trying to watch the Empire strikes back,

(58:21):
and all along you have Mark Hamill just saying out
of character, out of character. Now I didn't know it
at the time, Darth Vader was actually my father, and
that made me so sad. It's it's not so much ignoring,

(58:41):
show don't Tell, and it is just crop dusting, show
don't tell, taking another path and doing it again and
again and again and yeah, and you know this is

(59:01):
where things. I know what I said about the first
fight scene in the movie, but then everything starts getting
that drawn out. It becomes like watching Will Ferrell try
to execute a joke, and you know, we've all seen
his movies where he just doesn't seem to know where

(59:21):
the punchline should end, and no one says cut, and
he just keeps going and going and going. And it's
not like the Family Guy bit where it's intentional. It's
just ineptitude. And it drags out that way the entire

(59:42):
fucking time, to the point where by the end it's
still amusing, but you're glad it's over and you're kind
of hoping that's the last one. And then somewhere Lloyd
Kaufman is just going, well, I got good news, and
I got bad news, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Then and yeah, and we'll get to and then.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
And then and then and then yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
But I mean that's but that's I guess that kind
of sums up my thoughts on it is it went
in a different direction that remained fun for a little while,
but then they just kind of keep taking it further
and further and further in that direction, in that direction

(01:00:36):
with each sequel, to the point where I longed for
the first movies. D I d I Y clumsy, awkward, cheapness.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
All right, Kat, anything else about the second one before
we move on.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
I'm gonna piggyback off of Sean. I'm gonna say that
I agree with you completely on this one. Like I
think you're right, you know, like it felt kind of
pandering to the audience. I think by that point they
finally figured out who their audience was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I would actually challenge that by saying, I think they
wanted to try to get a bigger audience, so they
they turned it down and this this, I will tell
you that the second and third one really do suffer
from they think this is bigger than it really is.
So they made it broader, They toned it down and
hoped that more people would come. Like this got a

(01:01:35):
big following in midnight shows. Not everyone that goes to
midnight shows loves blood and guts being thrown at the screen.
Some of them. You go to see Rocky Horror, there's
a little bit of that, but you don't necessarily know. Oh,
you go to see Flesh Gordon True Story. You know,
there's plenty of midnight movie shows. They all they all
aren't this gross. So I think there was a concerted

(01:01:58):
my thought here, my projection maybe that there was a
concerted effort to tone this down from broader appeal. And
I think you lost what made the first one as
good as it was in doing so.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Right, Like, I feel like they they de escalated the gore. Yeah,
and like just like I said, cartoon violence, yep, which
of course I love, but I could see how that
could be, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Sure, all right, let's move on to the Toxic Avenger three,
the last temptation of Toxy, which also came out in
nineteen eighty nine. Kat, you were taking how they reused
like unused, they was unused footage. They reused footage and
they kind of stitched something together to make this movie.

(01:02:50):
The basic premise of this one is the same villains
are back again. Toxi has rich tromavill of all the evil.
But you know, so now he does know what to
do with himself. This is kind of an ongoing thing
with this character where he's like, I'm so good at
what I do. I feel listless. I have no I
have no more. He's Alexander the Great. He has no more.
He has no more mountains to climb, no more Tom

(01:03:12):
used to defeat. He had conquered the world until he
laid on a rock and sobbed and then the rock melted.
But anyway, so what ends up happening is he tries
to So this is the bit where he tries to
go to a normal life, but he's all thumbs, he's
you don't. He does only one thing well, and that's
rip out people's guns. Everything else he tries he's not

(01:03:33):
so good at. So then he's given the opportunity to
become a yuppie, which I think it's hit fantastic as
far as political satire goes. And you know, and of
course uh, Troma gets taken over once again by the
bad guys, and he has to resist this and conquered
them once again. And that's that's three. I'm gonna pitch
it over to you cat, your thoughts and any other

(01:03:55):
things you want to fill in there.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
So, like I said before, talk to you into two
and talk to him into three. Last Temptational Toxic. We're
supposed to be one movie. I believe that they turned
in like a four and a half hour cut or
a five ar comin or whatever. Yeah, they had a lot.

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They were like, hey, we got some money, let's go
in Japan and suck around and let's go back home.
But so like I feel like if you like, if
you see it in that lens as being one movie,
it works. This one doesn't really work for me. Even

(01:04:45):
though I do love like uh riffing on eighties corporate
culture and eighties yuppie culture. I thought there was like
it's at least it's topical before it's time, But this

(01:05:05):
movie does. I mean, I like it, but this movie
doesn't really. Yeah, this does not light a fire to me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
I think if you cut this movie and splice it
into the second one and just let it just got
rid of it entirely, like it never existed. It would
do a service to this, to the to the franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
What do you think, Shay, I definitely agree that this
movie didn't need to exist. It's this movie is so boring.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
It hurts so bad.

Speaker 8 (01:05:39):
It is the last two movies hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Me to my soul.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
The only thing that works in this movie is Claire
is Phoebe. She's great. Yeah, I could watch ninety a
minute to her, but that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:55):
Yeah, but it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
There's I don't I don't know if I have enough
words to say about how boring this fucking movieuks because
I watched Okay, so for this, I watched these in
two chunks. I watched the first and the second one together,
and then I watched the third and the fourth one together.
And the first and the second one I enjoyed. I

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I have been having a little bit of a rough
week at work. The first and the second one were
absolutely wonderful, and I laughed and it was it was fine.
I was not exhausted. By the end of watching those
these last two.

Speaker 8 (01:06:39):
I was just.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Oh, I was we love bart.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I lost several brain cells. I'm pretty sure I can't.
I can't remember the lyrics, the stars anymore. This movie was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
I will come back to you, Jay Sean, this piece
of trash.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
First movie, surprisingly now one of my kind of probably
underappreciated favorites after watching it. So well done for actually
recommending that one second one loses a lot of steam
but still manages to be mostly entertaining. Third movie. We've

(01:07:31):
said so often that the worst thing a movie can
be is forgettable. Yeah, and this is utterly, completely, absolutely forgettable.
If you're gonna satirize eighties culture and yuppies, you know what,
RoboCop actually did it really fucking well, the original one.

(01:07:55):
It did it, did it fantastically well. It was a
little on the nose in bombastic, sure, but it managed
to mostly play it pretty play it pretty straight. It
didn't read like a throwaway SNL skit that Lorne Michaels
read and went. And we're never going to speak of
this again. We're not going to shoot it, We're not

(01:08:18):
going to talk about it. We're not gonna maintain a
single copy of the script. This is just This isn't satire,
This is a commentary. This is get it. Ye are terrible.
Get enough now we'll get funny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Now do you get it? Do you get it?

Speaker 7 (01:08:40):
There's just there's nothing memorable, there's nothing funny, there's nothing quotable.
There is nothing enjoyable about this movie, except, as Cat said,
clear clear was the absolute fucking bomb, especially when she
dropped the big bofacation and went and went full give
me liberty or give me that. I genuinely loved that moment,

(01:09:03):
Love that moment. Kudos for that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
But Perry the National Treasure.

Speaker 7 (01:09:08):
Yeah, but absolutely everything else. I can't come up with
anything redeemable except that maybe at the end some of
the creature make up was pretty good, and I liked
some of the dore effects of the final fight. But

(01:09:29):
by that point it is the definition of too little,
too late. If I had the site a movie as
where Trauma probably lost its way fully having it, and
I admit there were a lot of Trauma movies that
I have not seen yet, but this one was probably

(01:09:54):
that movie. I would say this one may even more
so than than Citizen TOXI. It just I watched it
while I was while I was setting up for the show,

(01:10:16):
and I did watch these a little bit out of order.
Out of order, I admit, but.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I did.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
I didn't really come away from it feeling like I
would have missed anything if I had been sitting there
just staring at the TV without blinking forty for ninety minutes.
This is, hands down, probably one of the worst movies
we have reviewed on this reviewed on this show, and
I want you all to bear in mind. Robert and

(01:10:46):
I reviewed the length and excruciating breadth of the hell
Raiser franchise, a series I love, a series, I adore.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
It's one of my people who don't know that that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
It's one of those motherfuckers.

Speaker 7 (01:11:08):
And you know, I ranted, I screamed about how bad
those last two hell raisor sequels before the Hulu reboot
reboot were it became infamous on the channel for for
a while.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
Yeah, because they weren't. They weren't intended to be how
these are the movies, Like someone made a movie and
to keep the right citizens flopped on.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot of
those sequels. Yes, that was true, although Inferno was being
what I'm talking about the last two that they made,
where it was very plainly were impertinly trying to churn
something out so we can hold on to the franchise,

(01:12:03):
right those movies, not the ones that actually had Doug
Bradley and the ones where Pinhead was entirely recast. This
Toxic Avenger three is just about on that level.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
For me.

Speaker 7 (01:12:19):
It didn't make me so viscerally angry because I don't
have such an emotional attachment to this franchise like I
view to that one. But quality wise, that's about what
we're working.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
All right. So now we move on to the Toxic
Avenger for Citizen Toxi, which is what they call me
at the Swinger Party House, but that's Citizen Toxi anyway.
Uh So, this one, because even back then trauma was
ahead of its time. We are dealing with the multiverse.

(01:12:54):
The Toxic Avenger goes to the Mirror Universe along with
you know, Evil Spock uh and the rest of the
Start the E and then the the Good the way
the Evil Toxic Avenger comes to the Good Universe and
there's a lot of hooting and hollering. The Toxic Avenger

(01:13:14):
finally has babies, because that's what we needed in this world,
was baby toxic Avengers. We couldn't just have the garbage
pale kids. We have to have baby twin toxic avengers
with their own mops. You have to understand children. And
so anyway, that's that's more or less the movie. Ron

(01:13:35):
Jeremy is in this. Lemmy is in this because cameos.
As I said earlier, this is almost two full hours
of my life. I want back. Uh this this is
so again. The first one is quaintd the next two
are juvenile but still silly. They there's an innocence about them.

(01:13:58):
Then there's this thing, and it was like, who haven't
we offended? All right?

Speaker 9 (01:14:05):
How can we offend them? It's the other thing about
this is like I'm a big fan of porn parodies
and this is about that level.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Like it's not a little bit more nudity and a
little bit more actual shown intercourse, and you'd have had
the toxic event of porn parody, which I'm okay with,
But don't lure me in with this is you know,
like coherent within the series itself and then tell me
it's a porn parody. That's my problem with this, Shay.
This led me to believe it was a real movie.

(01:14:39):
It's a poorn parody. It's a porn parody and I
want answers, Shaye, I want answers from you, Shae from you? Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:14:48):
I mean I have fuck off for answers.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
I definitely think that this is the Batman and Robin
of this series.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yo, hey, wait a minute. I like Batman and Robin.
I have defended it ardently on this show The Shoemaker one. Yes.
By the way, do you like my new thing where
I demand answers from you that you don't have? Is
that fun for you?

Speaker 10 (01:15:11):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:15:14):
Makes me a little nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Everything is coming together anyway? Your thoughts on this movie.

Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
Madam, But it it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Kind of is like it takes it definitely jeakes out
approach that Batman and Robin had. It's just kind of
a throw everything at you. Ship is going on constantly.
There is no space where there isn't any movement. There
is so much color and there it's it's just it's
a fucking sensory night mare.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
I go, oh my god, by autism. That's completely out
of control.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yeah, I got so like I almost couldn't form actual
words by the end of this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Were you doing a full of full Madeline con flames
on the side of your face.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
A little bit yeah, okay, and it just it just
this This movie was so fucking overwhelmeding and it This
movie also kind of exemplified the biggest problem with the
series overall. And the biggest problem with this series is
that it sees things that are funny in other films

(01:16:30):
and it puts them in there, but it doesn't necessarily
understand why those things are fun very much.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
So it also does the family guy thing of it
makes a bad joke that's not funny, does it one
hundred more times till it is funny, like your PTSD
torture victim, and then comes right back around and not
being funny again. But by that point they've done it
five hundred times. The punk rock retard made me laugh
after a while. After a while, I was like, he's

(01:16:58):
kind of funny. I enjoyed this character there and then
the more I saw it, but that's after an hour
of him after Like I was offended by him at first.
And this whole movie and that that my god, that
that that agonizingly long opening bit with the school with
the diaper mafia, oh eve, but like and he's in

(01:17:18):
there and everyone's drooling, Like I this was hard for
me to watch because I can't deal with again liquid horror.
So everyone drooling and they're shoving food in their mouth
and paining on themselves, like like this is gross. Then
they showed him with me, and he's like like a
punk rock retard their words, not mine, and like at

(01:17:40):
first up just like yesh, and then the more and
then but he's like a main character in the movie.
So the more they used him, the more I got
used to him, and the funnier he got to me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
And I actually, I actually really liked that character. And
the primary reason for that is my mom is a
spad teacher and she has met some kids like that.
I actually that first scene that he is in is
a scenario that I remember my mom telling me about. Uh,
this kid was doing some really inappropriate stuff in class,

(01:18:11):
and she came over. She took his phone away and
was like, hey, you need to stop it. This kid
was like, well, why why can't I Am never going
to get a girlfriend because I'm the R word. And
she looked him dead in the eye and said, no,
You're never going to get a girlfriend because you're an asshole,
and then she walked off with his phone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Go mom, that's really funny.

Speaker 8 (01:18:36):
Yea, all right, but yeah, I love that care so much.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
He's so much like some of the stories that my
mom has told.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
The girl they pair him up with is also very
familiar to me in my personal life. I know a
lot of I know a lot of people like that
girl where she's just repeating herself and telling the same story.
And yeah, it was it was amusing stuff. Kat on
Citizen Doxy.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Okay, this movie is borderline unwatchable for me. It's a
it's a slog to get through. However, I respect it,
like I don't like it, but I respect then.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
It's gwar but less talented.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
You know what mail head boom, you got it? Uh?
So I said that to share this.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
In October of twenty twenty three, Roy Kaufman was doing
an Alamo draft house tour.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:19:49):
He was.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
Showing the first tactic OFVU. Who's also showing hashtag Shakespeare's shits.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Right well.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
By Hooker, by Crooker, by love or whatever. My partner,
Nick like finagled himself to be like his his toxic avenger,
you know, because he has the mask, he built the costume,
the whole gambit. Ah, And he finagled me to be

(01:20:26):
his to be his Sarah because I am a chesty blonde,
so I was Yeah, so he was basically blind. I'm
supposed to be blind, so I was like, you know,
the person making sure that he didn't like run into
walls and things like that. So, uh, you know, we

(01:20:47):
got to spend a weekend at UH with Lloyd Kaufman, who,
by the way, is one of the kindest people ever met,
one of the He's so funny, he's so kind, he's
just he's just a regular guy. So he's amazing. I
can't say enough nice things about him. So the first

(01:21:11):
night he was doing this like Q and A with
the audience, I'm like, I got a question, and Nick
knew what it was about, because you know, he knows
how I feel about Citizen Toxy right, And I'm like, listen,
I know, you know. I mean, at the time this

(01:21:31):
movie was made, Columbine had just happened, so a lot
of movies and television shows were like toning down the violence,
you know, especially gun violence in the wake of you know, Columbine.
And I asked him, what made you go in the

(01:21:51):
like opposite direction, Yeah, because like I don't like it,
but I respect the hustle. I mean like it's a
bold and you know, so to me, like that's awesome,
even though it's it's not my taste. And he goes, well,

(01:22:14):
I mean like because he was like, oh, good question.
He was like, well, like, because this kind of thing happens,
and I wanted to show it. You know, Like after
eleven a lot of people were like a lot of
films and television shows were beginning to.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
Not show.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
Uh the Twin Towers, right, but you know I did.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Yeah. But there's a wrestler Sean can this every once
really quickly? Uh, there's a debate about a wrestler who
was a part of a very vicious murder suicide and
then the company that employed him had just deleted him
from things as a joke about one of his best matches.
He's ever it's not him, It's it's Stevie Richards. And

(01:23:05):
one of the things that we've said is, look, you
can absolutely hate what he did. What he did was horrible,
but I think to try to delete him from history
misses the point.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
Yeah, he's out of the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 7 (01:23:19):
Uh, he's never going to be a Hall of Famer that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
We're going We're talking about Cris be Yeah, that's who
I'm That's who I'm talking about too. I thought that
he had already been in.

Speaker 7 (01:23:35):
That has never happened. He would have been first ballot.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
You might be thinking of Jimmy Snooker, who's also in
the Hall of Fame and killed.

Speaker 7 (01:23:41):
The Okay, okay, well, Paul Paul Hayman has said infamously
and in a great clip from one of his One
man shows, that in ring Ben was probably top five
all time between the ropes, bell bell a bell. But
as a human as a human being being, absolutely irity,

(01:24:01):
absolutely iroity.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Right, And I think you can say those things in
the same sentence. You know, I miss a world where
Nuance was, you know, was was full of life. Sean
your thoughts on Citizen Toxy.

Speaker 7 (01:24:15):
One hour, forty eight minutes. Don't get me wrong. Everything
that Kat said about Lloyd Kaufman I have always heard
is true, and I want to I want to take
a moment to interject and say that I don't want
anything that I've said about these sequels to be taken

(01:24:36):
as me somehow disliking, disliking him and his mark on
could could not be further from be further from the truth.
Having said that, you talking to me, I wish I
could quit you. I want the truth. You can't handle

(01:24:58):
the truth. And now I want to fill your chocolate
starfish with my chunky chunky Dick Snut.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Cinema, this cinema, this.

Speaker 7 (01:25:18):
Is ceases to this at this point, ceases to be
the toxic Avenger and it has become Trauma Presents Kentucky
Fried remake. Ooh shit, this is you fucking deemable. You
have the tools here to if you had cut a

(01:25:40):
solid forty minutes off the runtime, to maybe have a
marginally watchable movie. Because in particular, Ron Jeremy has shown
despicable human being as some revelations about and have shown
him have shown him to be, to actually be a
competent actor with his clothes on in doses, in roles

(01:26:06):
like what he's playing here. You could have gone all
in on something like that, and, as Mark alluded to,
you could have had something that somehow managed to be
fun in the same way that hell Raiser Infernos somehow
managed to be watchable in the midst of the worst

(01:26:26):
hell raisor sequels. But you didn't get that. Instead, you
got a movie that flew far too close to the
sun by trying to cross over with Sergeant Kabukim, with
trying to drag itself to a nearly two fucking hour
run time to a nonsensical plot, to a movie that

(01:26:50):
doesn't even feel horror adjacent necessarily any necessarily anymore. This
is pain, This is stop Stop. The franchise is all dead.
This is a movie.

Speaker 10 (01:27:07):
This is the movie that should have killed any notions
of someone making a remake once they watch this and
just went, oh no, no, never, never mind.

Speaker 7 (01:27:18):
I don't want to take the chance of making something
this bad.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
You're another wrestling fan. If Toxic Avenger is Mick Foley Undertaker,
Hell on the Cell, this one is.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
This is mixed TNA run.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
I was gonna go with This is Kenny Omega John
Moxley in the lights out match at Revolution, the one
that ends with Chinese New Year.

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
Oh, the one where are you talking about? The one
where Eddie Kingston flops on top of Kenny and to
a few on the turn buckle.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Yes, before it got to the really ridiculous shy look
it up. Yes, it's the exploding barbed wire death match
they did a Revolution a few years ago that ends
with that that because they couldn't do a real explosion,
they put up sparklers and acted like it was the
Death Star blowing up.

Speaker 7 (01:28:17):
This is this is just it's God, it's it's a
fucking cash ground. But it's not even a good cat.
It's I don't know, you managed to snatch up penny
off the ground, off the ground for this, For this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
I will say, anchorry, no, go on no, I will
say in its defense, and as much as I can
defend this movie, it was written in twelve days, so.

Speaker 7 (01:28:50):
It shows fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
May have needed a path through editing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 11 (01:28:59):
But I I get what you're saying, and I get
what Lloyd was saying about how, in the wake of
everything that immediately preceded this movie, he probably wanted to
give the world something, a little something, a little bit lighter.

Speaker 7 (01:29:16):
I can kind of understand that. I remember, of course,
I'm old enough to have lived through both you know,
the world pre M post Columbine and pre M post
nine to eleven. That was, to put it mildly, a
really pretty horrendous time to go through your formative years,

(01:29:36):
or in my case, your last, your back half of
high school. And then you know, your first year, your
first year of college, you're a few weeks in and
boom nine to eleven happens. But just if the third

(01:29:57):
one was juvenile, this one was downright infantile. In just
about every it's it's unwatchable in the same way I
can't watch scenes from certain sex comedies because yeah, it's

(01:30:17):
painfully obvious what they were going for. But I can
never watch Zach and Mery make a porno because of
that randal, because of that Jeff Anderson films the anal
sex scene. It's not even it's not even poking fun

(01:30:39):
at something in it in that it's exaggerated, but it's
true kind of way. It's just it's it's like the
it's like the raunchy version of creepy pasta is I
think the best way I can put it, Because if
you've ever if you've ever read them, and you're a
real horror fan, every creepypasta starts out the same way.

(01:31:01):
They do a good job building up a backstory and
an idea of a character. But then they all just
evolved into successions of increasingly like graphic descriptions and kills
and really nothing else. No, And it's not like the
first movie was exactly was exactly Citizen Kane, but there

(01:31:24):
was still a semblance of a story.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
I thinking the time we got to the fourth one,
they were trying to emulate the movies that they were
showing Alex and Clockwork Orange to try and try and
get him to not like violence anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Yeah, and one with this The first one, I said,
has a has an earnest about it, which I like,
you know, they were like, you don't just because you're
making a horror movie, it doesn't have to be mean
in spirit. This one is like this one. The first
one is kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:32:03):
Looking for it's me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Yeah. First, like the first one, it's it's angry, but
it's like it's angry and I want to do something
about it. This one is angry and I want to
It's it's so like nihilistic. It's angry and I want
to burn the world down. Nothing about this world is good,
nothing is nothing is savable like and I don't Sean knows,
I don't like movies like that. And part of the

(01:32:27):
reason why I struggled with this because other than it's
visually gross and you know, narratively incoherent, it's also like
it's it's vision of the world as opposed to the
first one is very much like, no, everything sucks and
everything is terrible, and we take the piss out of everything,
but not take the piss out of it to bring
it down or not because it needs that. In that

(01:32:48):
punk rockway, it's because nothing is good. We you know,
I don't. I don't like that kind of like fatalism
and nihilism. That is a go go nowhere into a
dark alley, no exit philosophy. There's nowhere to go once
you start down that way.

Speaker 7 (01:33:06):
The thing is pump rock. Punk Rock can be brutal,
it can be angry, it can be dark, it can
even be it can even be graphic, but it does
so from a place of having something to say and
feeling strongly about something when it's at its best. If
we're making that analogy, this is the blink one two

(01:33:32):
and I don't even I'm not talking about Dude Ranch
when they were still tolerable. I'm talking about everything from
Emma of the State onward where they just lean progressive,
lean more and more into pandering to thirteen year olds.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
Well, it's like what I said, like about the first one.
You can tell when a movie loves a character, when
a film maker love his character. Since the talksy, there's
not only not love its character, it fucking laid them
like it hates them and wants them to suffer. And

(01:34:16):
by extension, I went to the audience to suffer for
watching this. Exactly, I've seen a better film on teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
You know, I'm gonna give you the last word here
and then when we're gonna call on a night any
other thoughts it this?

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
This movie was awful, and the whole sensory nightmare thing
on top of it, it was just me. It was
like trying to talk to that kid that likes to
throw rocks off of the I thirty five bridge.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Oh yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Some people ask me why do you watch these things
if you don't like them? Because I learned things I
didn't know about these movies before. And tonight we've spent
you know a little over an hour and a half
getting into them, and this is even more stuff we
could have talked about. I didn't really get into a
lot of the production stuff, but I thought this was
a worthwhild endeavor. I also, you know, going back to
my intro, whenever I work with fancy. I name my

(01:35:12):
AI fancy Cat. Just just go with it. When I'm
working with Fancy, you know, everything is always I'm coming
at it from this. When I write my intros, I'm
coming out from the standpoint of view is why bother?
What is the point of doing this podcast? And I
why do these films matter? So if you've listened to it,
if you stay with us for the entire hour and

(01:35:34):
thirty five minutes, and you're just like, if they're so bad,
why do you watch them? Because there's still value there.
I'm I'm saying this, and I'm gonna make a really
short sentence and then we're going into plugs. The idea
that because something is badded is not worthwhile to me
as a nons daughter, there are plenty of things that
are not of great quality that are absolutely valuable to
the culture, that are valuable to history, valuable to ethics,

(01:35:58):
valuable to philosophy, And that we throw the baby out
with the bathwater really irks me. So I don't mind
spending ninety minutes with my friends and new friends to
discuss awful films that have still value overall to the culture.
So say we all right, Rosings.

Speaker 7 (01:36:20):
No, I mean, you can watch you can watch something bad,
and what you end up taking away from it is
an appreciation, a deep appreciation sometimes for why you appreciate
the things that you do. And sometimes you realize something
that actually really drew you in about other movies or
other media that you could just never quite put a

(01:36:42):
finger on until you see its antithesis and then you recognize.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Itty, this was your first long road to row in
your first Rattligion broadcasting podcast. Are you bruised? Are you
bad it? Are you coming back? A?

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
Hold on?

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Very good?

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
One?

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Two? Three?

Speaker 7 (01:37:00):
They're both there?

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
Okay, Now this is fun. It's always fun to uh,
I don't know, talk shit on things I love and
and going back to what you were saying, just because
it's terrible doesn't mean it doesn't have h on value.

(01:37:23):
And I feel like three and four are the epitome
of that. You can respect it, but you don't want to.
I missed the person I was before those two movies.
But like, I'm glad they're there. I'm glad they're there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
All right, I'll just do plugs. I'll do mine. At
the end, shay, uh, tell them where they can find
you and what they can find you to do, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
I am DataX. I am at DATAFX on Facebook. I
also have an email that you can reach me at
over from the Facebook. I do costumes, makeup props, pretty
much anything that can be built, I can build it.
If you need something to be pretty, I can make
it pretty. Anything you need. Anything you need for film, theater, television,

(01:38:18):
I am the person to make it, especially if it's monsters.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
All right, Kate, you're all like kat rather you're knowing
like new and shit. So tell us about any projects
you're working on, any social media that people can find
you at, or if you'd like to promote some martial
arts gym because if we do that here.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Sweet, I like to pote COVID kay an evil thing
no very good.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
So you're welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
So I'm on Facebook under my government named Kathleen Bitton Scott.
I am on Instagram Katie and sim uh. I hell,
I've got a movie on TRUMANOU. It's called Chris is Chaos.
First month's free and then four a month.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
We're working on our second movie, Heavy Metal Massacre discography.
Shay is going to be one of our chief creature
creators and makeup artists. Yay uh, and mister Doran is
going to be our director of photography, our good old
Double Penetration dB.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (01:39:33):
Hi, but yeah, that's basically where I am.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
All right, that's how you can find me to have
you here. We'll looking forward to your next appearance, Sean,
tell me games, show us what games you play, and
where you're twitch and shout. All right.

Speaker 7 (01:39:54):
First off, it's always a pleasure podcasting with you every
single time. I always look forward to it. Thank you
so much for being on. I look forward to the
next one. Cash is absolute pleasure getting a podcast with
you for the first time. Joy to me and you
watching them in everything that you do going forward, going forward.
I hope I get a chance to check it out,

(01:40:16):
and I hope this will not be your last time
on the rock Witch and broadcast. I did, Yeah, you
did great, fantastic Okay, Mark, absolutely get her on here
for something else. As for me, you can find me
on Instagram and threads at comer Codex. Things are about
to get interesting as Ann and I are currently on

(01:40:38):
our journey towards starting the Only Fans and we're kind
of charting kind of a lot of the behinds of
behind the scenes of that on my socials and I
send you to those because no, no way, I'm giving
you all my Facebook Hell no, fuck no, I'm not insane.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Again.

Speaker 7 (01:40:57):
I look forward to ignoring the comments.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Utch it. But what was that?

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
I want to watch your homemade cord?

Speaker 7 (01:41:08):
Oh sure, by all means absolutely, just dropping your socials
and I will make sure that when we get our
chatterbait and our only fans started, that I drop you
a leak. Absolutely, but more immediately it is about let's
see here nine. As soon as I get off the air,
I am going to finish rolling a joint, go outside

(01:41:30):
and smoke, and then at eleven pm Central time, I'm
going to be on Twitch, dot tv slash comber codex
where tonight I am going to be playing some ranked
Overwatch for a couple hours until I have to take
my wife to work, So it should be a good time.

(01:41:51):
On New Season is New Season is starting. I have
let everyone else kind of go through their placements and
now I am going to go have some fun trying
to gout to Gold with Tracer, but otherwise just kind
of keep an eye on all the rod Wichen broadcasts
and socials for whatever podcast I am.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Going to be on the next Uh yeah, I will
let you know what you're gonna be on in just
a few moments. This Sunday, I am on the Sorry.
This past Monday, myself and Robert did a really great podcast.
It was a lot of fun. It was a Joel
Schumacher focus. We looked at the Lost Boys falling down
an eight millimeter. Uh we don't had an good time

(01:42:31):
with that. Yeah, that was a good, good show. Wednesday,
myself and Harry Broadhurst were the indie siders. We looked
at Forbidden Door, uh Clash in Paris, and then our
indie spotlight was Game Changer Wrestling versus Jugglelo Championship Wrestling
the Two Day War. This Sunday, myself and Jesse Starcher

(01:42:52):
are doing a TV party for Paris Has Fallen from
the Has Fallen, the TV show from the Has Fallen
movie series Monday Monday. Monday, Monday Monday, myself and Robert
and whoever else would like to join us. We'll be
reviewing the new Toxic Avenger that came out in twenty
twenty three and is now in theaters nationwide, starring Peter Dinklice.

(01:43:18):
On Wednesday, Alexis Hana will be reviewing Twisted Metal season two,
and then Shay Tait, a glutton for Punishment of the
River was One, will be making her second appearance in
as many days. We'll be doing a triple feature focusing
on Terry Gilliam. We'll be reviewing Time Bandits, The Avengers

(01:43:39):
of Baron munch House, and in Fear and Loathing in
Las Vegas. Sean. The next time you'll be with us
is I believe October second. We're looking We're doing a
Michael Mann triple feature. We're gonna be doing Ferrari Heat
and Collateral, and Andrew Graham will hopefully be there with us,

(01:44:00):
so that don't be fun. I'm really looking forward to that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
Uh, have you guys so on the television podcast? Have
you guys done interview with the Vampire.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Yet the television show? I don't know why I'm asking
you specifically because we've done no interview with the Vampire ever. Okay, Okay,
we'll talk. We'll talk when we go off here. All right, folks,
thank you for joining us here on the Long Road
to ruin the not that Ship of the Rattligion Broadcasting Network.

(01:44:29):
For Shade t for Cat Scott, for Shawn he Shawn,
you're not. I'm out of breath. Be well, be safe,
and behave

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