TV Party Tonight: Monsters - The Lyle & Erik Menendez Story - Radulich in Broadcasting

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Speaker 2 (00:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hell Lol, Good evening, and welcome to TV party tonight.
I'm your host, Alexis Hana joining me. May I come
back from the night late nineteen eighties, early nineteen nineties,
Mister Mark Radlice, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I'm doing pretty good. We're back again with monsters or
was Monster the first time? Now with monsters?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, obviously because this time we got two killers. The
first season A Monster, brought to us by Ryan Murphy,
focused on the story of Jeffrey Dahmer, and now we
are looking at a slightly more recent murder case and
murders who are actually still alive at this point, Lyle
and Eric Menendez. So I'm gonna be perfectly honest. I

(01:40):
actually did not know that much about the Menendez case.
I was very young when this happened. I know it
was sensational news. It was nationwide, but it was not
something that my you know, little six year old years
had really ever heard of.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'll be honest with you. First of all, like serial
killers aren't really my bag. I like Ian Murphy shows,
believe it or not. And when you pitch me the
Dahmer Show a couple of years ago, I was like,
all right, Like, this isn't something I don't want to watch,
so I'll give this a shot. It was a fun discussion.
It was a fun show to watch. But if you're like,
you know, are you into serial killer stories? You know,

(02:17):
do you listen to podcasts, you read books? This is
not really my thing. So I lived through the Menenda stuff,
but it didn't really capture my attention at the time.
OJ did, like so just to kind of connect these things,
I'm a bigger fan of American Crime Story than I
am this series. I've watched the one on I can't

(02:42):
remember if it's Versace or which fashion designer it was,
but the first season, I think of American Crime Story
deals with deals with that. The second season is the
one everyone knows it's the people versus OJ, which I love.
It's like one of my favorite shows. Ever, if you
haven't watched it, you should. It's great. But like, I

(03:04):
know a lot about the OJ stuff, not that I
was home watching that. I am going somewhere with this
and connecting it to the show, not that I sat
home watching the trial. But it was an important, I think,
part of the culture because those trials were broadcast on
national television. People watched the OJ trial live like they
watched the Iraq War. So you know, it definitely changed

(03:25):
the way America interacted with crime and entertainment and where
those two things meet in a very real, tangible way.
So yeah, I knew a lot about the OJ trial.
I knew about the Rodney King thing because I'll never forget,
like they were right, you know, the riots of Los Angeles.
And then my friends and that's in Los Angeles and

(03:46):
I'm in New York and we had plans to go out,
and one of my friend's mom was just like this
rioting in Los Angeles. You guys can't go out tonight.
They're like, Sidney, We're on Long Island, for God's sake.
The Rodney King's not affecting us here. Certainly, we're not
gonna be rioting at the God Club. So the point
is with all of this monster monsters, they they go

(04:07):
and then yeah, the Bill Clinton's thing. I also lived
here and have very series of great season of television.
My point is this is kind of that same tenor.
But I'm just not as much into Like I said,
OJ was one thing Bill Clinton that was more of
my bag as I'm really into politics, Dahmer, and now
the Menendez I'm interested because you're interested, because it's fun

(04:31):
to talk about, but not I don't have a like.
I remember Bill Maher making fun of the Menenda's brothers.
They were kind of a punchline for a lot of comedians,
But comedians take whatever the news of the day isn't
making a punchline. I remember a lot of comedians making
fun of the Menendez brothers, but I but other than I,

(04:51):
I remember them vaguely killing their parents. I couldn't tell
you what the menandas brothers did that the comedians were
making fun of them for it.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Absolutely. Joseph Lyle Menendez and Eric Galen Menendez, commonly referred
to as the Menendez brothers, were convicted of killing their parents.
They apparently killed their parents, jose and Mary Luise, Kitty
Menendez at the Beverly Hills home in nineteen eighty nine.
They claimed that unknown intruders killed them. They tried to

(05:20):
blame it on a mob dealing because their father was
a very successful businessman who, yeah, probably had some unscrupulous deals.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well, I think I had more of a connection to
Millie Vanilli. That hit the Menendez brothers.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Fair enough, of course. Then afterwards the brothers started a
spending spree. They were little too, you know, eager to
find out about their will. This all came to a
head when documented tapes with their therapists were uncovered where
they admitted to killing their parents. Was arrested and went

(05:58):
through trial hell, starting with a mist trial ending later
with them both being declared guilty, especially after Lyle Menendez
thought it would be a good idea to uh basically
give you know, say everything to what he thought was
an ardent supporter. But it turns out she was actually
recording everything so she could turn an into a bestseller book.

(06:20):
This series does not depict Lyle Menendez as having like
two brain cells to rub together. And we'll get back
to more of the controversies.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Lyle Menendez. I was gonna say, like Eric's makes a
sensitive soul leave him alone, yeah, Lileless come back.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah. So but firstly, before we talk about the brothers,
I just want to go ahead and say this. This
show is further proof that uh, Harvey at Bardev is
the scariest motherfucker in Hollywood. Good that we can make
any role terrifying.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
He is wildly inconsistent, because because wasn't he also not
odin King of the Mermaids. But uh yeah, Triton, yeah
he was here. He was Triton in The Little Murmur
and he sucked, but then here he's amazing. Boy, So
there are some actors. Man, you are at the mercy

(07:16):
of whoever the director is.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
He really is an incredible actor. And like I said,
it's just fascinating. First watch him in uh well, I
mean I've seen him in so many things, and he
is so good at playing a scary character. But then
first you watch him in the Dune movies where he's
playing the leader of the Fremen, and he is incredible
in that role. But there is a kindness, yeah, and

(07:40):
just this passion in the way he speaks and talks.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
About you, very concentrated intensity. He has not intense in everything,
but when he brings the intensity, it is palpable.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Absolutely should note that this show has got several nominees.
It walked away with multiple Golden Globe nominations for Harvey
bardem Cooper Koch, who played wait did he play Eric
or did he play Lylin? On a second he played Eric,
And at the time of this recording, the Emmys haven't

(08:16):
had yet, but this has got multiple nominations for casting, music, period, costumes, makeup,
and uh not acting nomination again for Cooper Koch, So
you know, we'll have to see how that turns out.
But honestly, it deserves all of these words because all
of the acting in this is phenomenal and Cooper is

(08:38):
really incredible as Eric. But again, this one takes a
very different approach to what we got with the first
season with Dahmer. Dahmer was told, well, I wouldn't say,
in a linear storyline, it doesn't really deviate from the
main path, whereas this one is told in a Raschaman
style story in which we get multiple percon perspectives from

(09:00):
different characters on what may or may not have happened,
which has led to a lot of people pointing out
inconsistencies in the story. You get different points just from
the different brothers. You get points from their therapists, you
get points from the cops. You even get some story
arcs from jose and Kitty when we learn about when
when they first met, when they were first starting their courtship.

(09:24):
And I think the Raschaman style really works well to
this story because so much of this is not very
It's not the case of Dahmer, where there was no
question of the horrible crimes he had committed. To this day,
Eric and Lyle maintain that their father subjected into years

(09:44):
of abuse, mental, physical, and sexual. They claimed that they
acted in self defense, that they had endured years of
these hardships that led to these murders. And there are
many times when you don't know who to believe, Eve,
and I think the Rachamant styles story really works to
that advantage.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
So I don't know where it is in your and
your agenda there, but I'll tell you why. I don't
agree with that respectfully, okay, because it's told from multiple perspectives,
which is interesting, and I don't fault him for trying.
It makes Lyle sorry, It makes Eric rather a lot

(10:30):
more sympathetic than he ought to be and I'm referring
specific so I don't I don't want to get too
far ahead if you're gonna deal with this separately. But
the hurt Man episode where he is being questioned by
his attorney and he does a very long monologue about
the amount of sexual torture he was put through like

(10:56):
it's a first of all to an outstanding performance. I
can see why that episode got singled out. It's a
great episode of television. It's hard.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
This is a one This episode was a shot over
two days. It is a one shot episode. Everything takes
place in a single shot of the camera is behind
the attorney and it zooms in oh so slowly into
Eric's face throughout the entire thing as he discusses all

(11:25):
of the abuse he has gone through over the years.
He talks about how he is a broken man and
he will always be broken. He says, I am broken
and I will always be broken because of what my
father did to me. He feels that there is no
healing for what he has done.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
So here's the thing. The episode leads you to believe that,
regardless of anything else that's been said. And I'm not
here to litigate any of that, but it does make
you sympathetic to both of those boys, especially him, because
it does sound like they were sexually abused. Sounds like
they were sexually torture. Like there's sexual abuse and there's

(12:02):
the kind of stuff he's describing, and it's beyond awful.
There was a case recently where they discovered an entire
like child sex ring and these kids are like elementary
school age and it was Alabama and it was all
it was run by their parents.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
There's a special place in health for those kind of people.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Right, It's like that level of stuff, and you know,
it's not the kind of thing I like to joke
about at all. My point is, by the end of
that episode, like if I'm a jury member and I
hear that and I and it's taken as the truth,
you know, yeah, I would probably not I would probably

(12:40):
not find them guilty either. That being said, my problem
with the multiple perspectives is it's just as soon as
they do like it's a it's an interesting way of
telling and entertaining story, but it was frustrating for me
as a view were because just as soon as they

(13:02):
do that, and I'm on board and I'm with and
I'm with our main character. There's a lot that happens
in this show that completely obliterates that story. And now
I look back on it and I feel like the
and this may have been intentional in PROFITCT, it probably was.
They took me for a ride, and I felt like,
as an audience member, I was made a fool out

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of like they did it effectively put me on the
side of the Menendez brothers just to pull the rug
out for me an episode or two later. I think
that was feel which is not the most pleasant feeling
in the world.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
No, I agree, but I think that was the case.
I think that it's very similar to what their attorney did.
This is a woman who wanted to paint the brothers
as victims, that they had done all of this because
of Araby.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
It's called transference.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Keep going, Oh, I know, and that shit doesn't fly
in courtrooms anymore. I gotcha. But the fact is that
the only way she was going to get them off
was to convinced the jury that they had undergone years
of this. But again, there has never been any proof
that the brothers suffered at the hands of their parents.
Ryan Murphy even points out it's like there are four

(14:13):
people who know the truth. Two of them are dead.
No one else but the brothers knows the truth, and
the Brothers sure as hell aren't gonna suddenly backtrack and say,
oh no, we made it all up. We just wanted
their money.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
A couple of episodes later, when they're doing the retrial
and the prosecuting attorney has a book in his hand,
he was like, every single thing they said to you
came out of this book, and I'm just shaking my
fist at Ryan Murphy. At that point, I'm like, damn you,
Ryan Murphy. I guess what I'm saying is like, because
the show doesn't have a perspective. The perspective of the

(14:45):
show is we'll never know truly what happened here other
than two people are dead. That's about all we know.
We know two people are dead, and we know two
people that killed them, and everything else is who the
fuck knows. It's like, Okay, I'm not gonna fault you
for having that, for doing that that you know, we talked,
Robert and I talk about this all the time. Put
the perspectives plural in the lap of the audience and

(15:10):
let them figure it out, which is fine. I think
it left me a little frustrated though, because I don't
know any more about this story than I did going
into it, because you don't know what the real details are.
You know, they were shot with shotguns, Okay, you know
they were sleeping at the time. You know it was
the boys that did it. But to the extent to

(15:33):
which they were emotionally abused, to the extent of which,
if ever, they were physically abused, to the extent of which,
if ever, they were sexually abused, we still don't know.
Just not particularly satisfying.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think Ryan Murphy also did that because the fact
is that, like I said, the Benanda's brothers are still alive.
They are still in jail. They were actually up for
parole last year.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
What did I say, You said jail And it's a
pick and mune thing with me. But you're talking to
a guy who working correc medicine for fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Two shape. They're still in prison. They were actually at
for parole last year. It was denied.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, we don't forgive anything in this country, not at all.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
And I think that this was Murphy's attempt to essentially
avoid people pointing fingers at him and saying that he
was taking the wrong side of the case. Again. The
if that he had said flat out that the brothers
were lying, that that everything they had said, that all

(16:39):
of the abuse never happened, the brothers probably would have
pitched the fit in hell, maybe could have even sued him.
I don't know. If he had said that there was
no question that they, you know, were abused and all's happened,
then there would probably be even just as much you know,
you know, you know, back up, what's the world I'm

(17:01):
looking for here?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Backlash?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Backlash? Thank you?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
You know what's funny? You and I have watched enough
of this type of show, both together and separately, where
there's always a character that kind of looks at the
camera and goes, this isn't really what happened. Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
I was gonna say our favorite example the end of
Apple Cider Vinegar in two thousan five. You know what,
google it.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Another really good one is I want to say it's
the Big Short, which if you haven't seen it you should.
It's really good. But there's a lot of kind of
turning to the camera, So like this clips on TikTok
a lot where Ryan Gosling, I think it is, you know,
is saying my quant he doesn't even speak you know,
he's starting to his quantitative person and he's an Asian fella,

(17:47):
and he's like, he doesn't even speak English, that's how
good he is. And the camera cuts that he was like,
I do speak English. I went to Stanford to whoever
the fuck it is, he says. You know, it's like
he just tells people this because you know, because he
makes he's seen. He thinks it makes it them authentic.
Like there's there's a lot of that kind of thing
in this show, not where they're breaking the fourth wall,

(18:08):
but there's a lot of just as soon as they
make an assertion, they make a counter assertion. So were
you so you was it you as an audience member
or really just left with who do you like in
this movie? Because that's what you're gonna believe pretty much.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
And again, there was a lot of speculation and there
were so many theories about this. You have two high
profile pseudo celebrities, the Menendez brothers, you know, who are well,
they're pretty much famous for being rich. These were the
sons of millionaires. They were heavy partiers pretty much, and

(18:45):
you know that if they this had happened in modern days,
these two would have been like TikTok huge, Oh god, yeah, yeah,
these guys would have had more followers than highly generous
I know, right.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I think it's shortly after this we get we start
getting like, I don't remember what year the real world
starts taking place, but that was early nineties, as I recall.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, these two would have been just crazy on TikTok, Instagram,
all of that stuff. They would have had huge followers,
and they would have been milking the hell out of
those followers for their case, which probably would have also
blown up on their face. But there is But I'm

(19:32):
talking to about all the theories. I mean, you have
Nathan Lane's character Dominic Dunn, who, by the way, I'm
just gonna say, was so good in this. We were
so used to seeing him playing over the top characters.
You know, he lives off of the passionate, fun, flamboyant
style of Broadway. This character is so much more subdued

(19:54):
and a really interesting point to hear a lot of
theories he's talking to his friends, but it is he
is essentially talking to the camera, talking to the audience.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
He has a very like waspy intentionalism about him. He
is very direct, but in that but in the way
that we used to speak to each other when we
had money, and you know, and we would retire to
the reading room and sip brandy and talk about events
of the day. Like he has that kind of air

(20:24):
about him and I and I I don't I know
I was ever a part of it. And I'm I'm
this is a lot of my own projection, but I
I wish I lived during that era. And that's kind
of what he is, like, it's it's it's weird because
there's a lot of there's a lot of classism in
this story. Oh there, it's gret that's so much about

(20:46):
rich people and different kinds of rich people, because there's rich,
there's there's rich, they're super rich, and then there's the
future leaders of this country. But not in the way
you think. And he is, you know, very much speaking.
It's like, we don't necessarily ever consider the perspective of
rich people because they don't deserve a perspective. They have money.

(21:07):
That seems to be the mentality of the average person
in this country. And here he is giving giving language
to it, giving words, He's giving voice to the rich
person's perspective. Who is not indecent, Like it's an interesting
look at it because a lot of like Wes Anderson,
I complained about this a lot, Wes Anderson seems to

(21:29):
hate rich white people and it comes and it just eats,
just just just burst out of his movies to the
point where Annoise the piss out of me.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
I just can't stand the way so many of his
characters speak in monotone.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, but where it was going with this is like
Nathan Lane's character really does talk about, like, you know,
rich just because we have money doesn't mean we don't
have feelings, we don't have perspectives, we don't have wants,
needs and boundaries. And I'm going to talk about that
and how these two kids really violated a lot of
that this isn't and they deserve to be punished. And well,
he's actually my favorite character in this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well he has perspective because if you know who dominic
Dunn is, you know who his daughter is or was?
You did catch that, right?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I mean it was talked about in the movies, but
in the show. But just tell me.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
You've seen Poultergeist, right, I mean, yeah, Dominique done the first.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I mean, like I should remember the first.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
The Poultergeist curse. The actress who played the older daughter
who was murdered by I.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Don't remember that. I remember the tree eating the kid,
and I remember the clown, and I remember the girl
going where here and being sucked into the they're here
being sucking to the television. You know what else I remember?
I remember Craig T. Nelson ripping his face off. That's
what I remember. You know what else I remember about
poulter Geist. I remember Craig D. Nelson shaking the guy going, yeah,
you've held the houses over over the graveyards, but you

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didn't move the bodies. You didn't move the bodies.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
On October thirtieth, nineteen eighty two, Dominique Dunn was strangled
by her ex boyfriend John Sweeney during an argument on
the driveway of her West Hollywood home. She fell into
a coma died five days later. Okay, Sweeney was in
a court case that gained significant media coverage. Sweeney was
convicted of voluntary manslaughter and only served two and a

(23:24):
half years in prison.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, have I mentioned this country's not a huge fan
of women or children.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
That's putting it mildly. Moving on, but no, I thought
that that was, you know, important to point of because
that is Nathan Lane's portrayal.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
He has someone behavior.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, he saw someone very similar to the Menandez brothers
take his daughter's life and basically get a slap on
the wrist for it. And the way he sees it,
people like that do not deserve a second chance. They
are monsters, they are sociopaths. They do not deserve to
breathe the same air as us.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
There is something among rich people where it's kind of
a white man's burden kind of a thing, but not
quite as racially motivated, where we with means, we who
have been educated have a responsibility to be good and
decent and uplifting and share our wealth to a certain

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degree with people who are not as fortunate but deserving.
Not everybody, obviously, and it's less and less all the time,
but there is that, especially older generations of rich people,
and that's kind of where he's coming from, of the like,
we should not get away with murder because we're rich,

(24:48):
And granted it's personally motivated. He lost his daughter to
that sort of thing, but that's where he's coming from,
which is one of the perspectives in the show that
I think is good and I think it's nice that
Ryan Murphy. Thank you Ryan Murphy brought that out. If
you can tell Ryan Murphy has talked to some interesting
rich people.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Put him mildly and unfortunately there and this here, there's
no you know, Roschmon style on this. The brothers do
not you know, do themselves any favors by their ridiculous spending.
As soon as there, as soon as they're you know,
out of the as soon as the murder occurs, their

(25:31):
father's company puts gets them security, and they say, well,
we don't want to stay in the house, put us
up with the Hotel bel Air, which I've never stayed at,
but I'm going to assume is a very pricey hotel.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's not a motel. Sex.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Now we see them going on massive spinning spreeze and
I'm all for retail therapy, but buying multiple rolelexes at
the time in nineteen eighty nine, no thanks, there's.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Nothing of bag of cocaine.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Can't cure oh so much cocaine, although we do give
my favorite see and that is actually an episode too.
The boys are in the Hotel bel Air and Eric
is ordering a very simple meal and Lyle grabs the phone.
It's not a grilled cheese and a glass of water,
that's all I want. And Eric Lyle grabs the phone.
It's like, you know, how many shrimp do you have?

(26:21):
We want all the shrimp.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, that's excessive.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
We get the scenes to them partying doing massive amounts
of cocaine. Although that does also lead to one of
the controversies with this show, and that is the portrayal
of the potential incestuous relationships of the brothers. This is
one of the theories that dominic Don wrote about, so
there was one that Ryan Murphy did want to go over.
Although the family, the Menenda's family, the surviving members were

(26:50):
really not happy about this.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
We have there's no good way it happened, and it's
gross and they don't want to be known for that.
They don't want that and you know, people to know
about that in their face family or it didn't happen.
Now you're slandering them for no good reason. There's no
good way to look at this.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
And again there's you know, we have the scene of
them dancing in the hotel bel air in that episode
where Lyle Ey's cocaine on his nose, and Eric kind
of wipes it away, and he's and they're sucking. He's
suck in his brother's thumb. Will again the cocaine off.
And in episode seven we actually have a scene where
Kitty walks in on the two brothers in the shower.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I kept asking my when I I kept asking myself
what is real and what is fantasy? Which, which goes
back to twenty minutes ago, when you were talking about
the Rochemont style. That's I think that, more than anything else,
would annoys me about the show.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Well, I do have the quote here. Murphy defended the
depiction as obligation for storytellers, saying, what the show is
doing is presenting the points of view and theories from
so many people who were involved in the case. Dominic
Dunn wrote several articles talking about that theory. However, Vanity
Fair clarify the Dun never suggested the theory that the

(28:03):
brothers were incestuous, so it may have come from someone else,
just wasn't printed in Vanity Fair.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I will say this, I will defend Ryan Murphy. I
will defend Ryan Murphy playing with intentionally playing with the
facts of a real life scenario for entertainment purposes. We
certainly see enough of that. I don't need to go
into a whole diatribe about it. I will say this,
it does not lend a lot of credibility to your

(28:31):
particular brand of fiction when you make up things out
of entire whole cloth. It's just like, well, we hear
that in there because we thought it would be funny, like,
don't do that, you know? And again if it's like
this is just the theory, no one has said this,
you know your who knows the fuck? Again? I like

(28:51):
the Dominic dun character, but I don't know whom as
a guy. I don't know him as a person. And
if he's out there like writing about what if co
me here, follow me, taken, take my hand, and we'll
walk off with this bridge together. What if the boys
are gay, homosexual for each other? What if they're incestuous,
eh like or based on what? Based on I don't

(29:13):
like them? Like what are we doing here? Then you know,
and then you're like, well we threw that in there
because you know it makes the show more interesting. Okay,
did you ever watch Hollywood on Netflix? Mm hmm, Like
Hollywood does a lot Hollywood's a very gay show. It's great.
I loved it. It's worth watching Jim Parkson, and it's

(29:34):
fucking hysterical, but it's it does a lot of like
kind of outrageous you know, What's what I'm looking for,
like intense like gay stuff in the show, to definitely
put the audience ill at ease, which you can get
away with in a fiction. If you're if you're making

(29:56):
if you're if, you're instituting that level of fiction in
what's supposed to be based on true story. I have
some issues with that.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Well, and going further into that, we also have a
statement from Eric Mendez, and it's mostly about the character
of how they did Lyle. Now, Like I mentioned, in
the show, Lyle is depicted as being a total freaking
idiot who is essentially what's the phrase, he believes he's
too big to fail. He is convinced they got away

(30:30):
with it, that no one will ever pick it, you know,
you know, point the fingers at him. We see multiple
times that Eric's the one who is stressed out about
all of this, whereas Lyle doesn't give a damn. We
have the scenes of them in the prison when they're
first put there where Lyle is demanding when he talked
to his lawyer, He's not demanding, you know, you know,

(30:53):
find the right case to release us. He is saying,
I need self tanner and tape to keep my two
pay on. I will signed to add that that scene
in the I think it's like in the first or
second episode shows the tupey getting ripped off and you
see the hooks in the head, like, I'm sorry. I

(31:13):
know that you know faux hair, and you know that
stuff has come a long way, but just the idea
that they put hooks in your skull, in your scalp
to hold on to fake hair is creepy as hell.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Well, and then, of course, like I mentioned, we have
in the later series, he contacts what he believes as
an art and Amira returns. I know she's she's faking
it to collect everything for a tell all book. To
the point that he is not allowed to testify in
the second trial because now that they have all this
info that he has, you know, said he can't you know,

(31:53):
lie under oath, He's going to get I.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Have to say this, PSA, everyone, should you find yourself incarcerated.
I mean here they're blaming it on the girlfriend. But
I will tell you this, Every phone call you make
is recorded. Do not get on the phone and say
anything incriminating or express any kind of suicidal homicidal audiation.

(32:19):
The next thing that's going to happen is you're going
to get a visit from a mental health professional who's
going to put you on suicide mutch. Don't say anything
incriminating on the phone. It's all recorded. What cracks me
up is how like from the Menendez brothers apparently down
to the morons I used to work with, how nobody
seems to know that that in a secure facility, people

(32:43):
are listening on your phone, on your phone calls all
the time.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Like I said, his desperation is just almost comical. At
one point, he is he needs dimes to call because
this because apparently this was pre quarters when phone calls
were still a dime going away, back when all you
needed was a shine it down. I'm like a phone
call and he's need money.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Now it just goes and he just gets deducted from
an online account.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
But he's actually trying to trade expensive hair moose that
his family sent him to get dimes for phone calls. Right,
And I just love that he's trying to get these
prisoners like, no, I'm just asking for dives. I don't
give you this twenty dollars jar moose that they're probably
looking at us like, what the fuck do you think?
What do you loose for?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mean, I suppose like, you know, like whippets, you know,
you could stiff the gas. Yeah, he was a bit entitled,
and he was very hyper focused on I need, I
need an army of people to lie for me. And
it's laudable, but I know I'm I'm all in on
the self preservation, but went about it maybe in an

(33:57):
obtuse way.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well, so, Eric Menendez released Sustainment through his wife Tammy's
Twitter account, and I'm going to go ahead and read
it too. I believed we had moved beyond the lies
and ruinous character portrayals of Lyle. Creating a character of
Lyle rooted in horrible and blatant lies rampant in the show.
I can only believe they were done so on purpose.

(34:21):
It is with a heavy heart that I say, I
believe Ryan Murphy cannot be this naive and inaccurate about
the facts of our lives, so as to do this
without bad intent. It is sad for me to know
that Netflix's dishonest portrayal of the tragedy surrounding our crime
have taken the painful truths several steps backward back through time,
to an era when the prosecution built a narrative on

(34:43):
a belief system that males were not sexually abused and
that male's experience rape trauma differently than women. Those awful
lies have been disputed and exposed by countless brave victims
over the last two decades, who have broken through their
personal shame and bravely spoken out. He shapes his horrible
narrative through vile and appalling character portrayals of Lyle and

(35:05):
me and disheartening slander. Is the truth not enough? Let
the truth stand as the truth? How demoralizing to know
that one man with power can undermine decades of progress
in shedding light on childhood trauma. Violence is never an answer,
never solution, and is always tragic. As such, I hope
it has never forgotten. The violence against the child creates
a hundred horrendous and silent crime scenes, darkly shadowed behind

(35:29):
glitter and glamour, and rarely exposed until tragedy penetrates everyone involved,
to all those who have reached out support of me,
thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
So my thought about that gets a little tiring hearing
like people who are close to whoever the famous person
is like it's all lies. It's like it can't be
all lies, you know, Like I'm sure. But again this
goes to what I was saying before. This recurring theme

(36:06):
in this podcast is if your whole take on this
show is well, there's all kinds of perspectives here, this
is you know, this this this is my truth, your truth,
and something somewhere in the middle, Like, all right, but
you're gonna open yourselves up to this sort of thing
because now I can't say she's not entirely you know,
I can't say for certain she's not entirely in the wrong,

(36:29):
because they've admitted themselves they've made up things out all fiction.
So that's what I was saying about twenty minutes ago,
like I don't know what's real and what's not in
this show, but you're asking me to believe this is
based on a true story, but you don't give me
a baseline. That's the thing for me, The show is
big failing. Whereas Dahmer. That wasn't the case, nor with

(36:49):
the other Like, I don't remember this sort of complaining
about any of the American any of the three seasons
of American Crime Story. I might not have known about them.
So if someone's just like, ah, did this happened, fine,
I I didn't hear about it.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
So yeah. So Ryan Murphy responded basically pointing out that
it's like what it's quote here, if you watch a show,
I would say, sixty to sixty five percent of our show,
in the scripts and in the film form center around
the abuse and what they claim happened to them, and

(37:23):
we do it very carefully and give them their day
in court, and they talk openly about it, adding there
were four people involved in that. Two are dead and
two of them are alive. With their point of view,
what about the parents? We had an obligation of storytellers
to also try and put their perspective based on our research,
which we did. Again, this is where we get a
lot of the Raschaman effect. Nathan Lane basically said that

(37:48):
he seriously doubts Eric had actually seen the show and
was probably just going from word of mouth about his
portray his brother's portrayal. Cooper Koch, who plays Eric, actually
met with the brothers. The actor played Lyle refused to.
He said he just wanted to create his what he
was going off with the script, whereas Eric actually did
meet with them along with thirty other inmates. It's part

(38:11):
of a prison reform meeting led by Kim Kardashian, because
what the hell is going on in our reality? Koch
actually does believe that the brothers were abused. He's advocated
for their parole. He believes he has served his time,
and Eric Menendez did actually praise Koch's performance, saying it's

(38:34):
like that he really does hope that he wins an
Emmy for his portrayal. So, you know, not all negatives there,
but again it does really say it's like, you know,
when you do something like again, this is what I
feel is so interesting when you compare the differences to
the controversies and everything that surrounded the Dahmer season. You know,

(38:58):
this story arc happened and more recently, but there's no
talk about glamorizing the Menendez brothers. No one's worried about that.
Is that because you know, they were rich jackasses and
we don't care about them, and we think that it's
fine that they you know that they're rotting in jail.
There is is there no sympathy for them? Are we

(39:21):
not over glamorizing by hiring two extremely sexy actors in
Hollywood to play them? Because frankly, yeah, both of these
actors are extremely good looking and they got abs to
back it up, and the show does not shy away
from showing those abs.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Ryan Murphy loves gay men. But these are some good
looking fellas with some nice bodies, and I am not
afraid to say so.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
No, they're very good looking guys. So, like I said,
I'm just trying to figure out why was there such
an uproar uproar over the Dahmer series and this one.
There's a little controversy with the theories about the ancestuous
relationship between the brothers and Lyle's portrayal, But no one
is freaking out about this the way that they freaked

(40:08):
out about Dahmer.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I have a couple of theories about that one. I
think it's set even in the show America. America lost
patience with these guys. So it's a funny thing. We're
not You can do a lot wrong in this country.
You can grab a girl in the vagina, you can

(40:31):
you can commit all kinds of sexual assaults. You can
sell weapons to another country. You can see.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
You can do, there's all kinds of fun things you
can do in this country, but we're not going to
tolerate lying, by God, and especially if you get caught
doing it in court. You know, I I don't know
what else to tell you about that. I mean, my
thought here is, like I said, Dahmer, I think you know,

(41:06):
the people that don't like him don't just don't like murder,
but there's people who there's people who find him like interesting,
or there's people who are you know, misaligned with uh
with with the world and are attracted to people like him.
But he didn't. He didn't lead the country to believe
one thing only to do the exact opposite or be

(41:29):
the exact opposite. One thing you can say about Dahmer.
At least he was consistent, and we like that. Don't
lie to us, commit sexual violence, commit physical violence, sell weapons,
don't lie to the people. This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
When Dahmer was arrested, he didn't try to hide it.
He didn't try to defend it.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
He'm a brave soul who leans into their bullshit.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
To this country is being led by people who just
throw more bullshit at you. Oh I'm sorry, did I
say that out loud?

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Get your own podcast, comy. But if you're asking me, like,
why is no one freaking out about this? Because I
don't think anyone cares about the Menanda's brothers. I think
for the purposes of television, it was worth doing their
story because we're at because as Robert points out, you know,
we're at the age now where this sort of thing
is nostalgia. But that's all it amounts to. It would

(42:26):
be like if you did like the Mike Tyson story,
now you know where it's like, wow, well he had
an interesting story once upon a time. Let's let's talk
about it on the air. And there have been some
Mike Dyson stories.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Oh yeah, I'm well aware of it. So do you
think that Murphy should have just skipped talking about you? Okay,
we know that UH Season three Whilch is coming down
in October, which I hope we will be reviewing.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
UH is going to focus on I'm happy to stick
with this.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, absolutely, is going to focus on ed Is it
ed gee guy? And I swear I've heard it like
five hundred different ways.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm gonna go with that Gen and be okay with
being wrong fair enough.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Third season is going to focus on ed Gen with
oh my god, what's his name? The actor from Sons
of Anarchy, Charlie something, Charlie Hunum, thank you U is
playing him. Uh. And this is also going to look
at the influence that Gen had on modern day storytellers.
We have actors who will be an actor who'll be
playing Alfred Hitchcock who's going to be in the third season,

(43:31):
So that's the portrayal they're going with for that. Fourth
season has just recently been confirmed, and it's going to
be on Lizzie Borden. So going a lot further back,
and we're, like I joked before the start of the show,
it's like, yay, equal opportunity murders. But do you think
the Lylan erickman in his story was a smart choice

(43:52):
for this series? Do you think that this was a
good one to go with, regardless of how great the
acting was from Harvey Bardem and Cooper Cotch and all
of them, and how yes, I really hope Cooper does
walk away with the Emmy because he was so good
his portrayal and the hurtman alone was incredible. You know,
I am perfectly fine with this man walking away with
an Emmy for this. I'm perfectly fine with his getting

(44:14):
a Emmy for Best Dramatic Series or Best Mini Series
or whatever the hell it's nominated for. But do you
think this was an appropriate topic? Do you think Murphy
should have maybe looked said skipping and gone on to
ed Gan, or maybe looked at another more major serial.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
K I don't. Okay, First of all, let me address this.
If this wasn't based on a true story, this was
a perfectly entertaining season of television, good looking people, great performances.
Not my favorite season of television I've ever watched. You know,

(44:52):
it wasn't by David Simon, but.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Picky, picky, picky.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
But I think, you know, this kind of falls into
my Sons of Anarchy territory, where well, this is wildly
entertaining and the people are pretty, but I don't get
much out of it beyond that. Sexual abuse, especially child
sexual abuse, is a real touchy subject with me. I'm
not some of the crazy people that we're friends with
in our you know, in our podcast life where I
have to act like a psycho about it. But it

(45:19):
is touchy and it is serious and I don't love it.
But it doesn't mean I wasn't entertained by the show
that said. Like I said, I think the directorial style
was was good. I you know, I think these are
great performances. I probably you probably could have wrapped this
up in six episodes. This felt a little drawn out

(45:41):
at times. A high point is The heart Man. But again,
the Heartman now feels like a great episode of It's
kind of like I think it's like the Fly or
something like that, with the one episode of Breaking Bed.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
That's a viewpoint of the fly that's buzzing around.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Like a really great episode of television, it's kind of
disconnected from everything.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Else, Or like that one episode of Only Murders in
the Building that's told that has very little dialogue because
it's the viewpoint of the deaf son, right.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
But I think overall it's it's a nice soapy season
of television. Now to your second point of why do this,
I'm not a believer in don't tell those stories. No,
tell the stories. Tell the stories of the parents who
abused that you shouldn't have had a child sex trafficking
ring in Alabama. Tell the story. Tell it on the

(46:33):
Mountain's probably tell it accurately. It's a serious subject, right, Yeah,
but I don't believe in you know, leave these stories alone.
You know they don't they these stories deserve to be
buried if we you know, those who do not learn
from history are doomed to repeat it. That one written
on my tombstone next to next year. He's done with

(46:54):
crazy women and he died, and he died perfectly fine,
but have.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
But uh, just do yourself a favor and make sure
that the lawyer has a very concrete written what you
want on your appitaph, because if he asks anyone on
this network, oh my.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
God, it's like a list. First of all, it's like
we're gonna need more than one tombstone. Why does he
have fifty commandments? But in any case, you get to
the point of this, so you can move this on
and we can start to wrap. I think people complaining
about this are the kinds of people who find stuff
to complain about. I don't think this broke any taboos.

(47:33):
I don't think there's anything wrong with this. There's a
lot of true crime stuff out there. No one gave
me the rule book on what's okay and what's not okay.
I think the I think the only thing is sometimes
if it's a little too soon. So I'll give you
an example. When Crispin Waugh did the you know he murdered,

(47:56):
he murdered suicide. I don't know. Do you remember who
Crispin wa is from the is where you were forced
at gunpoint to watch wrestling? Oh?

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I know who Crispin was. You don't want to know them.
I've seen more than a fair share of memes that
show Hulk Hogan versus Crispin Wah hell in a cell.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
You spend way too much time on the internet anyway.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
No argument there.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
So my point is like, could you tell the Crispin
wa story now if you treat it with accuracy and
respect and you know, don't go for the sensational angles,
which I'll get to that in a second. Yeah, do
the Crispin wh story. I think it's a great it's
a great tragic cautionary tale about head injuries, about head trauma.

(48:42):
And you're not wrong, but Errol's of pro wrestling.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
I was gonna say, you know, Okay, you know that's
going to get the same reaction as John Oliver's piece
on the WWE.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I didn't know there was a negative reaction to his thing. Oh,
let me make my point and then you can tell
me what that was. So I don't want to get it.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
It's not important. All you need to know is a
lot of fans that he wasn't focusing on the better stuff.
It's the common argument the journalists focused on the negative
aspect without focusing on the positive.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
You've commit a murder suicide. I don't need to talk
about your Japanese fighting style.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Well, he wasn't talking about the murder suicide. It was
more about how someone like Jake the Snake Roberts has
to do start to go fund me to get health
insurance from fans.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Okay, that's a whole other story, only because there's a
whole other side that Jake Roberts also. But my point
is in the wake of the Crispin Wah thing, nobody
bothered to understand what was going on with Crispin Wah.
There wasn't a lot of literature. There was some, but
there wasn't a lot of literature at the time about CTE,
but there had been a giant legal controversy and a

(49:50):
political firestorm surrounding steroids. There was a lot of misinformation
about steroids at the time, there was a lot of mythology,
and instead of doing any kind of journalism they did
they did clickbaity journalism on a murder suicide of a family. So,
I you know, so like, go and go about the

(50:12):
Menendez stuff, Like do the story, do it entertaining, try
to be as accurate as you can, and that's all
I ask. I don't really care who it's about, though, Like,
let it be about Crispin Wall, Let it be about
ed Geane, let it be about Eric Menendez, Let it
be about you know, John wing Gacy, you know, any
one of these guys. Like tell the stories. Just do

(50:33):
a good job with it. Don't be an asshole.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm actually kind of surprised we haven't gotten something in
the veins of a Netflix mini series about Chris ben Wall.
I know that they did a movie not too long
ago starring Will Smith where they discussed the doctor who
first made the groundbreaking research about head trauma. Link to
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, and that got buried, didn't it? Literally yeah, it's
like not a lot of attention on it.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Uh, It's well. Unfortunately, the problem was, if I remember correctly,
the doctor who found this out was I believe uh
an immigrant from Africa, and Will Smith did not get
to like the most respectful accent portrayal, and a lot
of people were making fun of Will Smith and like,

(51:18):
oh my gooks.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
And stuff like that. This guy who's who pronounced welcome
to Earth as welcome to Earth. You can do a
good accent the devil you say.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Let me put it so it didn't get buried because
it wasn't an interesting story. There is a there is
a lot to be said about head injuries related to
professional athletes, and there is a lot that needs to
be said. And I really think, actually, if Ryan Murphy,
by some miracle is ever going to listen to this,

(51:49):
I actually think a monster's the Chris ben Wah story
would be fascinating.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I only asked that you that you pay the same
respect to it that you did Damer. Yeah, I agree,
don't do it this way. Don't like, well, we took
all Cogan's perspective, Crispin Wall's perspective, dead, Eddie Guerrero's Please
don't do.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
That, okay, No, Rachaman's storytelling for Crispin Wah.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Vince McMahon's perspective, where everybody is, you know, their bosoms
are out and the penises. Oh, there's it. There's your
monster story, do Vince McMahon.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Ugh, yeah, no kidding, there's a roster in the WWE.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
But have Refin directed? Get Ryan Murphy to get refin
and refin does Vince McMahon. Oh, twenty episodes easy?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
You know. I actually think somebody needs to get on this.
I think there is a lot to be said in
the story of Vince McMann and Crispin Waugh. I really
think this is.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
A good minutes of sweaty Vince McMahon grabbing someone by
the shoulder and saying, pow, glistening, sweaty, glistening Vince mcman, pal, couldn't.
I'm gonna need you to take this bump tonight, Eddie. Sorry.

(53:06):
An hour refing an episode of The Vince McMahon Monster
Show is an hour and a half of vintic man
just staring at Stephan new Man's cleavage. Pretty much.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
But okay, so then it needs to be the Vince
mcmaon story. So we could focus on Crispin Wall and
Eddie Guerrero's deaths.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Here you go, and which heart brother? Do you know?
How do you know how many murders and deaths have
happened during vincmick Man's time in the w W eight.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, oh, God, forgive me which heart brother?

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Ohen, thank you?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
I almost said, Brad, like, no, wait, don't want to
make sure?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Say right on, watch what you say about Owen he
is canonized.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
I I live in Kansas City. He I was, you know,
I was hearing the local news talk about what happened
when during the event at our stadium. Yeah. I was
talking with friends the next day who were at that show.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Ill bet that show that didn't end when they killed
a guy in the middle of the.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Ring pretty much. No, not joking that have When I
was in high school, I had friends who were at
that event.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Okay, I haven't our neris to play a sad trombone,
but I don't want to do that gimmick again. I
showed that to my kids. I gotta tell you really quick.
I showed that to my kids, Like we were driving
somewhere and we were telling a story and I mentioned
the uh and I mentioned that to Jonas and he
was like, you did what? And I guess I never.

(54:30):
They either didn't remember the Doctor Strange review or they
didn't see it. So I so I pulled up the
clip and I showed her to him. My son idolizes
me as he should, and my daughter tolerates me.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Your son is becoming a miniu based on the Lilo
and Stitch review.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Where he's coming. He just is. But I showed them
so on the rare instance that my son is ashamed
of me, it really it really hurts, and I get that,
and he just kind of like for the dude, like
legit questions while you're still friends with me. Anyway, the

(55:11):
Mark or Adeline story, Brett taming both boys and girls
for over fifty years, it's a black hole.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
You try to get out, but you just can't.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
All right, wrap it.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Up, Toots, all right, Honestly, there isn't much else to cover.
This is okay, Look, this isn't as good as the
Dahmer season. There's no argument there. But I also argue
that I think Dahmer's more of a high profile case,
and I think there was more to dissect in that.
Whether or not you like the Rochurmont storytelling. I personally
think it was a great way to tackle a story

(55:43):
arc like this, especially when you have, you know, several
surviving people who you know are probably gonna watch as
it go. That's not the way it happened. I do
highly recommend it.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
What I like the last I like the last shot
on the boat they oh yeah, and this genuine warmth
between the two and he doesn't seem like a prick
for the first time in the entire season, and she
doesn't seem you know, like I was gonna say volume
up and coke down. Yeah, and I said that. I

(56:17):
said what I said, and then you and then the
camera shifts and this just angrily vibrating Menendez Brothers. It's like,
are we gonna do this? Yeah? And like and like
the kid playing Eric just like he did a heath Ledger, Like, yeah,
let's do it. Like he's either doing heath Ledger or Beavis,
Let's do it. You ever see the Beavis and butt

(56:41):
Head where uh, you know, where Beavis like goes off
and he's screaming at the end of the episode and
it was like, like we never get laid.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
It's like that moment for me, Well, he also they
also had him do that in the Abuse, but head
do America. The tie raid on the book never.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Got a score. That's what I'm thinking of. That's what
I'm thinking of, because I.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Think he does do a version of it in one episode,
but yeah, that he gets to go bigger on it
because and it's like, it's like, dude, you need to
sit down, shut up, ass, We're never gonna score. Yeah,
that that is so hilarious.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Let's get them. I am Theolio.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
You can do enough coke. You probably think you are fair.
All right, Yeah this is This is currently streaming on Netflix.
Go ahead and check it out. Uh, we will be
back in I hate to say it, I think we
more so review this not because of a general interest,
but more because we know we want to review the
ed Gen story that's coming out, and it's like, well shit,
we can't really skip a season. So as good as

(57:45):
this was, it does feel a little bit more obligation.
And honestly, if this story isn't your cup of tea,
then go ahead and skip and the wait for season
three to come out in October.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Now, instead, go watch The People versus O. J. Simpson.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Oh okay, just as long as Ryan Murphy's getting kicked.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yes, absolutely, all right.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
But yeah, thank you for tuning in for TV party tonight.
So Mark, you want to go ahead do your plugs first.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Yeah, Monday we did the review of the Naked Gun.
Zach was on the show. A fun time was had yesterday.
You and Robert and Jason for a little bit did
together which my kid wants to go see. And I
was told by Robert, I can handle whatever that means.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
It's there's not as much blood as you think there is,
but there's a lot of sound effects.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Oh gross. Tomorrow myself and Robert are going to be
doing the twenty eight Days, Weeks and Years trilogy. I
just watched twenty eight weeks today, right before the show,
as a matter of fact, and so tomorrow Maxicano, before
the show, I'll watch twenty eight years later. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
We lost Billian Murphy in twenty eight days later.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah. I was telling my kids, like, this isn't really
I like the first one. I'd never seen the second one,
and now having seen it, I have words. Jesus. This
is not a series I'm interested in because I'm not
a zombie person. But you know, the fun part about
doing a podcast like the one that we do here
is it forces me to watch things I wouldn't normally watch.
You know, It's like I too also don't want to

(59:21):
watch things, but I do them anyway. I wish you
all would shut the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yeah, like The War of the World.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I was getting to that, bitch.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Did you see what I did to Robert at the
Abay announced that he was reviewing that.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Give me a second, let me cue you up. So
Sunday source material is back. We're gonna be doing The
Butcher of Paris, The Crow, and the Many Deaths of
Layla's Star. There's three books somewhat related to each other
just sitting on my shelf and I want to do
I especially wanted to do the Crow, and then I
was trying to find stuff that was like the Crow.
The original trigger was Day Tripper, but Day Tripper is

(59:57):
like twelve issues long, and I was told by Jesse
stopped doing that. So it's like twelve books a podcast,
not twelve not twelve issues and then another twelve. I
may have pushed him beyond his limit with Darth Vader.
So so that's what we'll be doing on Sunday. Monday

(01:00:18):
is the straight to Amazon Prime, starring ice Cube War
of the World. Now, you may.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Sound I don't know Latin. That's what I did to
last night. He sent it, well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
August is August and September traditionally are a catch up
on streaming movies month. He's not wrong about that, And
that one just came out like that one is about
two weeks old now, so I didn't think it was
as bad as it was. But here's the thing you're
gonna say, say that it's got a zero on Rotten Tomatoes,
which makes me only want to review it more. I
love the zero movies. I when we did last year,

(01:00:56):
when we did the fifteen worst movies of the year,
I was looking for stuff that was like a zero
to five.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
This is why Robert will be doing your We'll be
leading the roast at your.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Wake, and then a week from tonight, a week from
tomorrow night is the glorious conclusion. Please don't stop making
me watch twenty two episodes of a television series. We'll
be looking at the final season of The West Wing.
It's been a long, strange journey, and I've enjoyed every
many of it. But I'm glad it's also gonna end now.
I'm done with the West Wing, or at least I

(01:01:30):
will be a week from tomorrow night. All right, I'm
done now, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
So yeah, like Mark mentioned, we did the Unholy Trinity,
got together four together last night, got together for Together,
the new body horror film that starring Dave Franco and
Alison Brie. We had a lot of fun talking about that.
We will actually be getting back together again next week
for Weapons, another new horror film coming out. I did

(01:01:55):
not originally plan for this to be back to Bag,
but that's just sort of the way it worked. So
that will be on Tuesday next night. After that TV
party tonight will continue with the first with the first
chapter of our new Stranger Things retrospective, because when I
found out that no one on this network had done
a TV party tide of any kind for Stranger Things,

(01:02:16):
I was frankly shocked, shocked, I tell you yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I threw it's been asked of me a couple of
times and I don't have any interest in it. And
then I threw it back out to people because anyone
want to pick this up, and only you can. You
can only bet on one thing with the people that
work for me on this network, they will complain about
something but not take the initiative to do with themselves.
So no, you as you always do, and it's the

(01:02:40):
one thing that is consistent about you is that you
will always take the initiative and there you are. You
got to do stranger things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yeah, I know, my loyalty is my biggest flaw. And frankly, sir,
I am just at your beck and call whether I
want to or not. No, seriously, I was actually really.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Excited the date. Some of the women I date then
they like that sort of thing. I'm no.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Seriously, though, this is something I was looking forward to doing,
and I'm thrilled that I'm gonna be doing it with
Jesse Starter. He's one of my favorite collaborators. He and
I always have a really fun time. I know he's
excited to be looking at this. We're going to be
doing one season per month leading up to the new season,
which is debuting on New Year's Eve. But since there
is a gap in that because it's five months out

(01:03:26):
and we have only four seasons prior to look at.
In December, Jesse and I will be doing a very
special look on the retrospective, a graphic novel of Stranger
Things meets teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles because Jesse and I
both have a very strong weakness for these goofy collabs
in comic books and we needed something to fill up

(01:03:50):
that last month. So I said, Okay, since we got
to wait for the new season to come out, let's
have some fun with this week after that. I will
also be returning for TV Party tonight, cause while this
may suck for movies, it does not suck for television.
There is so much shit coming out on streaming and
well not just dream but regular television as well. So

(01:04:10):
I am watching so much crap that you know, all
those PSAs that we grew up watching about how much
TV fries your brain and you shouldn't let kids watch
TV all the time. I am living proof of what
happens when you do watch too much TV, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Because I'm gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Well, I hope that explains that God knows. I don't
want to dig any deeper than just saying I watch
too much TV. But Marky will be back with me
to talk about season four of Resident Aliens, because, as
I say every single time, the world needs more Allent tunic.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Yeah, Well, can I say I freaking adore this man.
I actually watched the TikTok about his rivalry with Anthony Daniels.
Apparently the two of them have a joking little feud
going on, and it's freaking adorable, starting with Anthony Daniels
getting pissed off at Alan Tudic for playing the droid
in Rogue one. But he didn't actually have to wear anything.

(01:05:09):
He was just mo capped for Anthony Daniels. When he
was first playing C three PO in the first Star
Wars movies, he was like screwed into these seats. He
had bolton shit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
The worst part. The worst part is that he was
in like what was it Tunisia where they filmed. Yes,
so like half of the half of those shoes were
wrecked by sad storms.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
But yeah, he joked about how he had screws stabbing
him in the skull for the face and for the
headplates of C three PO and Alentinick is wearing the
softest mocap suit in the world and is perfectly comfortable,
and he's just like, I hate you for that, so fairly. Yeah,
they got a little it's all in love. They're joking

(01:05:50):
about it, but it is hilarious and I love hearing
the trade barbs with one another, so cond we be
doing that. Then I'll have a week off and then
I am back with Jason Teasley and the occasional collaborator,
my good friend Josh Theeno aka my video gamed professional,
who I turned to whenever I have questions about specific
gaming systems have. Sitting down with him trying to discuss

(01:06:16):
the timeline for Legend of Zelda is always going to
be an interesting memory of mine. But we're here to
talk about season two of Twisted Metal. Cannot wait for
that first season. We had a blast, really looking forward
to it, and after that, Jesse will be coming back
to talk jen V season two.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Yeah, on the schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Peacemaker, it's on the to do list. It hasn't put
out its schedule yet, so I don't know when the
season ends, so we'll get to that. But yeah, there's
a great video that they released today of John Cena,
as Peacemakers say, doing a debate Eagley versus Crypto.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Two fucking rules, don't be an idiot and shit whether
it don't the two fucking rules, don't be an idiot
and shut the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Yeah, but fun, I got a headche get me out
of here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Okay, Okay, okay. And as far as the Honeysuckle Hustle,
Honeysuckle Rose Creations for fashion, you started that shit, it's
on you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
You just set civil rights back fifty years. You're so
fucking white. Okay, obviously, thank you, Charlie Tharone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
We're a fashion Beats fan of at the intersection of
geek and chic. We just wrapped up Comic Con Nebraska.
It was a first year show, had a lot of fun.
Always fun to be on the ground floor for something
like that starting up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I have this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Weekend off and the next weekend I'm heading out to
Colorado Springs for the Colorado Springs Comic Con. We always
have a lot of fun out there. It's gonna be
a great show because we have multiple actors from the
view Askew universe coming, including drummer Please, Kevin Smith, and
Jason Muse. We'll be making an appearance to see their fans.
I love when these guys come because they always bring

(01:08:05):
so much fun and they always bring so many fans
out of the woodwork. So looking forward to that. In
the meantime, go ahead and check out our stores on
Etsy and handmated Amazon. Fully stocked. I'm trying to give
them fully stocked. Our Clue jewelry is selling out so quickly.
I just ordered a bulk amount of it because I
can't keep running out of this stuff. And as always,

(01:08:26):
you can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Blue Skyscreen, Twitter,
Never Looking Back, and TikTok. All right, thank you very
much for tuning in for mister Mark Rale. I'm Alexis
Say and I have a wonderful night everyone,

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