August 31, 2025 • 81 mins
We present our review of Paris Has Fallen (Season 1)!
Paris Has Fallen is a 2024 French and English-language action television series. It is written by Howard Overman and directed by Oded Ruskin and Hans Herbots. The cast is led by Tewfik Jallab, Ritu Arya and Sean Harris.
Set in the Has Fallen universe, a disillusioned former French Foreign Legion soldier launches a revenge attack against the French government.
The eight-part series is written by Howard Overman and produced by StudioCanal, Urban Myth Films, and Millennium Media and G-BASE, the two companies that produced the Has Fallen film franchise. Eclectic Pictures is also attached. Johnny Capps, Julian Murphy, and Howard Overman are producers for Urban Myth, whilst Gerard Butler and Alan Siegel produce for G-Base. For Millenium Media Avi Lerner is a producer along with Jeffrey Greenstein, Jonathan Yunger, and Yariv Lerner as well as Heidi Jo Markel from Eclectic Pictures. Lati Grobman is an executive producer. The lead directors are Oded Ruskin and Hans Herbots. Filming took place in October 2023 with filming locations including Paris and London.
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Paris Has Fallen is a 2024 French and English-language action television series. It is written by Howard Overman and directed by Oded Ruskin and Hans Herbots. The cast is led by Tewfik Jallab, Ritu Arya and Sean Harris.
Set in the Has Fallen universe, a disillusioned former French Foreign Legion soldier launches a revenge attack against the French government.
The eight-part series is written by Howard Overman and produced by StudioCanal, Urban Myth Films, and Millennium Media and G-BASE, the two companies that produced the Has Fallen film franchise. Eclectic Pictures is also attached. Johnny Capps, Julian Murphy, and Howard Overman are producers for Urban Myth, whilst Gerard Butler and Alan Siegel produce for G-Base. For Millenium Media Avi Lerner is a producer along with Jeffrey Greenstein, Jonathan Yunger, and Yariv Lerner as well as Heidi Jo Markel from Eclectic Pictures. Lati Grobman is an executive producer. The lead directors are Oded Ruskin and Hans Herbots. Filming took place in October 2023 with filming locations including Paris and London.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Jesus anything else we don't Jenny K.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Good evening. You are listening to a Ratlage in broadcasting
premier podcast TV party tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Your host, the mandated reporter, and frankly, I'm very tired
and forgetful, mister Mark Radlage, And tonight our favorite show
is Paris has Fallen and can't get up?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh why yeah? Oh yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Remember the old lady she felt she couldn't get up?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Oh yeah, there used to be like there was a
song that made the rounds too, like a rap song.
If I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I heard it's because she was in Paris and was
shot up by a terrorist.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Geez crime.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well yeah, tell you that didn't tell you that part
in the eighties, No, they did not.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Gils.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Paris has Fallen as a twenty twenty four French and
English language action television series It is written by Howard
Overman and directed by Oded Ruskin and Hans Herberts. The
cast is led by two week but Je lab Richie
Arayah and Sean Harris. Howard Overman you may have heard
(02:18):
he has You may have heard of before. He has
gotten writing credits on such luminary shows that I know
that you've all watched, like Moving Wallpaper, Hotel Babylon, Misfits
between two thousand and nine and twenty thirteen, which was
a British sci fi fiction comedy drama television show. Yes. Oh,
(02:43):
he worked on Dirk Gently.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Oh okay, okay, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
As in like Dirk Gently it's a list of detective agency. Yeah, yeah,
crazy head, we worked on that. He worked on the
War of the World series.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I was like, what no at.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And prior to Paris Has Fallen he worked on the
one he for the Misfits. He actually won a Best
Drama Series at the British Academy of Television. The Misfits
won a Best Broadcast award and he also he also
(03:33):
got an award for Best Special Effects for Misfits Breakout
of the Year, So you know, yes, he is actually
best known for creating the series Misfits, which won a
twenty ten bath The Television Award for Best Drama Series.
As I said, Okay, so that's so, yeah, he's no slouch, Jesse.
(03:55):
Don't don't put that man down.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You've never heard of him, Okay, sounds it sounds like
he's a big deal over you know there, Yeah, you know,
you know what I'm saying. And this definitely has that
over there feel. Considering it's very European.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's where the culture is from. Indeed, not in this
country where where we have nothing, we have we have
tikk we have TikTok and tits. That's what we've got.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uncultured, I believe, is what they call swines. That's why
you are.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You may have recognized at least one of the actresses too,
are you, British actress? You have seen her in such amazing, fantastic,
wonderful movies as last Christmas Red noticed she was inspector
Vashi Das. She is not Dwayne the Rock Johnson or
(04:47):
Ryan Reynolds or Galgadot. I don't know if you knew
that or not.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
She's not number four.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Actually, now that I read that that, she does seem familiar.
She was journalist Barbie and Barbie.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
She's also got some television credits besides Paris Has Fallen.
She's Leilah Pitts in seasons two through four of The
Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's right, that's right, That's where I recognized her from
she are you?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Are you a Hooven a Hubian? Do you like Doctor Who?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I do love Doctor Who?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yes, well she's an episode. She plays Gatt in the
episode Fugitive of Judune.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Hmm, can you well, you'd have no idea. I so
my my watching stops shortly after Peter Capaldi, and then
I wanted to watch everything after that. I just have
not had the chance to do so.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
She also plays Gale in the episode The Sign of
Three on The Sherlock Home Show that starred Bennettkumberbatch.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, I know that. I was wanna say, that's a
pretty popular series, but I've never watched it.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So that's who she is. And Sean Harris, Uh, he's
been in a bunch of things.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Okay, so you know this is going to answer a
question for me right now?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Are those those are not his scars?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Then? No?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Okay, I mean he this pretty convincing. I thought, like,
this is the first time I've ever seen him, So this.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Is not the first time you've seen him.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Okay, it's because now I want to be like, oh crap,
I know this guy.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay. So he's he's King Arthur in The Green Knight,
which Ronnie and I reviewed.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I've never seen it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
He is.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Solomon Lane in Mission Impossible Fallout.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Never seen it for fun sake, Jesse.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He is Solomon Lane in Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh, never seen it.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
He's Fifth Field or Firefield and Prometheus.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I've seen Prometheus. I do not remember him.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I've been a long time held by an alien Inrome,
probably sixty Uh. I mean he's in other stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But well I didn't it, did not. I thought, and
kudos to are you know our makeup department here, because
I really bought that, like, oh they pulled this guy.
Not only did you have these scars, but he was
a I thought he was a decent actor.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And on television he is Micheletto Corella in The Borges.
You never watched Thees, Jesse, Nope, have not. What about
Law and Order, UK, I know you like your Law
and Order shows.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I did not know I mean, it makes sense that
they have a spin off for that, but I did
not know there was such a.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Thing fucking law and order everywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh, he's Thomas in a in a television film, an
Italian American biblical historical drama TV mini series called Geez
he don't. Aren't you all like churchy up in Ohio? There?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It sounds very specific. I mean if you could have
probably pointed me toward any movie named Jesus, and there's
like five of them that I could probably rattle off.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So who are you to doubt that British Academy Television
Award for Best Actor Sean Harris.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I did not doubt the man. I just can't believe.
I didn't see him in anything prior.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
How could you not have seen his miniseriies Southcliff in
twenty thirteen, where he received three consecutive nominations for Best
Supporting Actor at the British Academy of Television Award.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
For Somebody just sent me something yesterday saying that exact
same thing, you need to watch this, And I was like,
oh really, okay, no, okay, I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So this is a show that nobody saw made on
a continent that nobody's been to, with actors nobody's heard of.
That's the subtotal of what we're doing here today.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Can you please just let our audience and me know why, Yes,
this show.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So. I don't remember what I was doing in the
Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. However I do
know that in the first quarter of this year, I
was going through various Wikipedia pages and taking time out
of my workday to update the calendar and find things
for you and me to talk about, and I kind
of wanted to stick with like one season of television.
(09:31):
So you've heard the podcast canceled too Soon.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Right, I've heard of it. Yes, I've never seen it,
but I've heard of it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yes it Yeah, the premise of cancel too soon as
they review a season of television or less.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Oh what am I saying? Yes, Okay, I wreck it.
Whitney Striver is not Whitty Striver. Shoot, that's the a
bl what Striver of Communion which I don't know that is.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Not like it's not like a comedian and I can't
remember which it was. Patton Oswald. He was doing like
an impression of like the guy from Carvel. He's like,
it won't be like Sigourney Shriver's communion and will crawl
in your button.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That is exactly who that is. But anyway, anyway, yes,
I know exactly what you're talking about. Cancer too soon? Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah. They so they did a whole thing about one
season television, and I thought, well, I would like to
do a season of television, not seven seasons with twenty
two episodes. I wanted to do a season of television,
talk about it with my friend Jesse, and then move
on with my fucking life.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
What is really strange is today I get on to
I get on the Facebook and I think you had
shared something about or maybe it was somebody else, somebody
covered something in Paris today. Uh how does that line up?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
How does that really fucking kismet? That it was TikTok
live covering the clash in Paris, Yes, which I think
is the ww's final like main roster p l E
for Peacock because next month, so you know how they
bought e c W where they also bought all the
copyrights for ec W, which means some of the pay
(11:23):
per view names, which is why the first p l
E for ESPN for the main roster WWE is called
Wressel Palooza. That was an e c W pay per view,
and it hurts me, Jesse. It hurts me that they
that they're they're stealing it, wow, stealing something that they
bought outright.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Is Lollapalooza still a thing?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I I I'm really because that's you know, obviously, the
first time I've ever heard of something called a palooza
was La Laala.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
People are gonna think we don't want to talk about
this show.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Well, let's just put it out there that if we
do talk about this, we got about fifteen minutes of content.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm stortioning it out, Jesse. I'm starching it out.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I mean, is we'll get into this isn't a horrible series.
It's just not a lot that's going to be remarkable.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Lollapalooza existed in the Year of Our Lord nineteen ninety
one and ran to nineteen ninety seven, took a break,
as all good things should, came back in two thousand
and three, took another break because it's Mexican apparently, then
existed from twenty and five to twenty nineteen. Took another
break and has been active from twenty twenty one till now.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Okay, all right, big in the nineties, but.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It also existed in Paris in twenty twenty two, Chicago
in twenty twenty three, Berlin in twenty twenty three, Mumbai
in twenty twenty three, Buenos Aires twenty twenty three, Santiago, Santiago,
Brother twenty twenty three, Paolo and Guardette.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, all right, so yeah, it's been around, been around
for a while. Well anyway, so I I you know,
I can see E. CW at that time looking at
Lallapalooza and going, oh, we need that, we can do
something with that.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
How about right, I don't know how much cultural cachet
Palooza has in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Oh well, we're bringing it back.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah. So anyway, the reason for the season in the
letter that I read to you after the breakup, that
we're reasoning that we're I've got a lot of hoopus
think on the brain these days.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Okay, Oh man, I.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Just I happened. I was looking at something I happened
I somehow or other ended up in the has Fallen
Wikipedia pages, and then I read that there was a
television show and I was like, Oh, this is French
and English. Oh, it looks like it has two olive
skinned people of other ethnicities besides white. Oh it's on Hulu.
(14:04):
Oh I bet nobody in North America knows what this
is or has ever seen it. And if there's one
person I can count on to to take my hand
and walk over.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
The obscurity bridge.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's Jesse Starcher. So I thought why not? Like I
will tell you this years and years ago, when Shawn
and I were doing on trial, I went out of
my way to find the worst possible movie we could
we could review, just to see if I could defend
a zero on Rotten Tomatoes. We landed on uh no, yeah,
(14:42):
oh yeah, Okay, what a challenge that was.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I kind of had a similar thought with this. I
didn't look and see what it was or how well
it did. I really went into this cold. But I thought,
if I'm going to take a flyer on something really obscure,
and I assumed, because I had never heard of it,
it was European, it was has fallen, it was going
to be goofy as fuck. I was like, okay, well,
(15:08):
I'm not going to subject anyone else to this, but
you I like the torture, and you let me torture you.
That's our relationship. I want it. So that's how we
ended up on Paris has Fallen, And I had to
tell you I really liked this series. Okay, I'm starting
to think I just don't like my country and the
art that it produces. Because thisess I liked this, I
don't have. I mean, like, you're right, is this going
(15:30):
to generate the kind of you know, or villian discussions
that we have, you know, or a black mirror? No?
But was I riveted by what I was watching? Yeah?
I wish I had had more time and energy to
dedicate to it and it alone. I had to watch
it somewhat distracted, but I got through it. Like literally
(15:52):
the last episode I watched as I was watching Clash
in Paris and to girl friends like come over dinner,
and I'm like, ah, one more episode of TV to watch?
She like ran out the door. So it's like, I
have it on, I've got I've got the the titles
on the pay per view want I'm on TikTok live.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I was a little distracted, I understand, but.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, I actually really like this. Two or three episodes
into it, I was like, wow, this is I think
you had said to me, like, this reminds me of
twenty four and I've never seen twenty four, but so
I couldn't tell you. I know there's a line from
from American Dad that they like Binge the entire series.
He was like, that is riveting television. But yeah, this
(16:36):
is fucking this is brave and intense. Like I understand
some people's opinion of it was the gets silly at times.
Maybe if I pay closer attention, I had seen the silliness,
but for the most part it kind of reminded me
of the dirty and grittiness of a lot of the
(16:58):
FX TV series.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Okay, like Shield and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
This would have I compared this when I because I
ran over my notes with Fancy and my thoughts on it,
and I think this kind of reminds me of the
Shield and Justified mhm. Where this is intense, this is
morally gray at times. These characters are complex and vulnerable
and sympathetic, but also not morally clean. The villain is
(17:31):
sympathetic in his own way, even though he's a real bastard.
I'm like, I I found myself enjoying this a lot
more than I thought I never would.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, I mean, I get it. I didn't know what
to expect here it was. I remember putting it on
and I was like, Okay, Mandy, let's let's see what
see how this is because you know, first episode, I'm
going to figure out if I watch it by myself
where I have to or you know, if she's going
to be enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And they'll put the pins in my bood at.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
All, you'll be feeling something, I'm sure later.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So right up, right off the gate, we're starting with subtitles,
and I was like, oh man, you know, I might
have already lost Mandy to this, but she stuck through
it because it's not all. And that's what I was worried.
I thought I was gonna be taking place in France.
We're going to get all sorts.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Of At what point did she look at you like,
what is with your friend in his obsession with everything French?
Is he French?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Also?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Isn't he also the weird perfect guy? Is that a
French thing? Jesse answer?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I was like, wait, oh okay, you can let's see. Yeah,
she but the action kept us in and of course
you know, there's there's definitely a lot in the English
dialect here, so it kind of you know, we're obviously
in France, you're going to get a lot of subtitles
in regards to the French, but they balance that out
well enough to keep you invested in the action and
(18:57):
not completely turn away people who are abhorrent to subtitles.
So with that being said, as far as my you know,
overall thoughts on it, I yeah, I definitely likened it
to twenty four because that was the feel. You have
this one villain who is wreaking havoc that season, and
each episode is them trying to get closer and closer
(19:19):
to track down and stop whatever plot this villain has
so very, very reminiscent of twenty four.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Did you watch twenty four when it was on? Because
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I can't say that I did well it was on,
but I can tell you that I got DVDs like
after the first or second season, I think dropped from
the library. And yeah, keep her Sutherland. Those first like
two seasons, two or three seasons of twenty four are
really good. I think it went to like seven, maybe
it went more than that, but.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean, I tell you right now, I'm not reviewing
them with you.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Okay, that's fine. I love the concept of it. It's
it's great because you know, it's one hour of a
show and he does all this stuff in one hour,
and you're following all these plot lines, which is fine.
It's a great concept. That's kind of you know, you
don't have that time frame here until the very last episode.
But but regardless, you know, it's them getting closer each
(20:11):
episode and trying to unravel more of what's going on,
and they pull that off fine, well enough to keep
you invested throughout the season. I think here for Paris
has fallen Comparing it to the movies, I think, Andy,
you got obviously, you've got eight hours of television here
(20:32):
and then you got a two hour movie. Maybe a
little more than two hours. Uh, but yeah, the as
far as if you were going to compare action and like,
I think one of the big things that the Paris
or excuse me, that the other has Fallen movies has
over this is like fight choreography. There's some that are
that's happening in this but it seems like, you know,
(20:53):
Gerard Butler is kicking serious ass and all sorts of
gun play.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Butler John wicks his way yeah through terrorists while he
tries to bodyguard Morgan Freeman. Right right, right right, that's
the hands voluntaries. It's not complicated. That's not this.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
No, no, this is a police procedural.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This is a this this is kind of like this
is a season of like International like the Shield, Okay, no,
this is this is I was gonna say the Wire,
but it's not.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
But I've done that twenty times, so I don't want
to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I've lost whatever audience we had. But it's well,
the Wire had something to say about social issues. This
doesn't really this. I think this has an opinion about
foreign wars and how we treat our soldiers. But that's
about it. But it's not like the Shield had nothing
to say that. She had had plenty to say, so
(22:02):
it justified. So I feel like, like I said, you
could have convinced me that Paris has fallen was like
a Ryan Murphy show or something, and it was right there,
right there in the.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Middle of the Shield and justified.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
This was one season dedicated to bringing down this one villain,
and it's these two cops basically that are coming from
different areas, and they don't like each other and they
don't get along at first, and they have to learn
to work together and to bring down the common enemy
that's not has Fallen though, Like I honestly my biggest
(22:36):
complaint about this show is that this has Fallen in
name only.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, the about the closest you can also. I mean
there's something dealing with the president. You know, we got
the President of France that doesn't come until much later.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
He starts off with like he's bodyguarding the foreign minister,
who fucking dies. I think what the second episode.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I might even be the first, Like I think her first.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
One set in the Has Fallen universe, because everything's a
fucking universe now. A disillusioned former French Foreign Legion soldier
wanted a revenge attack against the French government. So you
have two fixed Jalob who plays Vincent Teleeb and he's
a Protection Service bodyguard and former soldier. And then he's
(23:24):
partnered with richu Aria who is Zara Taylor and she's
an I six agent stationed in Paris working with the
French authorities. And then the bad guy is Sean Harris,
and then nobody fucking the rest of this doesn't even matter.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, come on the president.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
We have Juliette Levesque, the president there, who is played
by Emmanuel Burke Cooe I believe is her name or Burcott.
She's a kind of a big deal.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
In this third from the list on the cast list,
third from the bottom.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Third from the bottom. Yes, I mean she, you're right,
she does kind of well. She shows up in those
first episodes. You don't start to realize the relationship that
she has with Vincent until probably everybody ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Alu plays the Swedish mercenary who's with Sean Harris.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Oh, this is a frea yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah. Camille Rutherford is the well, let's be in love
interest of Zara off when she realizes that you know
that she's a dangerous and my six agent.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Kissed me off when she yeah, go ahead, ahead of
ahead of her.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Also is m who plays the d G s I
head of counter terrorism. Third from the bottom. Jesse's not
that important.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
She's the got well, she is the person that like
shoots Sean at the Sean, well, Sean, let's try a
pierce at the end that granted, you know the whole
plot revolves around her. It's That's why it's a f
has fallen movie because the president is in danger of
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some sort. What is he doing? Is he oh I'm
reaching okay, all right, all right, well okay, so anyway.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
So yeah, so basically this opens up with he's guarding
I think, like the French.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Foreign it's the defense Minister of Defense.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, and they are they're able to thwart that particular
terrorist attack. But then he ends up getting to him anyway,
and then it's like then it's a kind of a
horror movie. Like Sean Harris's character is basically just like
working through a hit list of people he thinks wrong him.
So the story basically is he was a foreign legionnaire.
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They sent him into the Middle East during the War
on Terror. He gets captured by the Taliban. They presume
he's dead and he is left to rot. I Well,
what he says is I was tor and raped and
I eventually escaped, and you should have came and gotten
me instead of leaving me there. I now I now
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see the French government as illegitimate, just like cool, less
to smooth than the wire seize the institution as illegitimate
and therefore not not worthy of his obedience. And so
now he's like, I'm gonna kill all of you because
you've proved to me that you don't deserve your positions. Well,
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that's where we are with the show.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I was gonna say, hold on, we've you've skipped a
couple very very important parts the federal or the government
that's about to say federalment. The government decided that I
think they made a decision that he went rogue, all right,
and they were like, oh, because he's gone rogue, we
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have to kill him. And what end? They let's try
it again. They end up betraying him to the Taliban.
So he finds out that the government are the ones
that gave him to the Taliban. Yeah, and so he
is tortured, torture, tortured. He escapes and then he you know,
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he gets involved with h oh I can't remember her name, Amena,
I think, and her she takes him in after he's like,
I mean covered in burns, he's and he's recovering, and
I think like within a few weeks he's really He
falls in love with her and he realizes that she
doesn't like she doesn't leave him after looking him over,
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and she decides to take care of him, so they
you know, they start to become a love interest, and
then the president decides to try to kill him by
pulling a bomb and in the car, and unfortunately Amina
gets in there with her three kids and get blown
up right in front of him instead of him getting killed.
So that's where he's like, Okay, you guys are going
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to pay for what you did to the one woman.
That actually basic, dude, you can take parallels to a
lot of action films and go okay, because one of
my notes here is like by.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Episode specifically Rambo part two, episode three, or we're gonna
take pictures Rambo, No, how about I rescue all the
po ws? Well, okay, but we're not going to rescue you.
Then you can sit there and die.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yep. I think it was like episode three or four.
I was like, you know, this is die Hard too.
What was I was like, wait a second, is there
something I'm missing? Like every episode is like an allusion
to a previous action film, which would have been awesome,
but not the case.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
At some point they talked to this, you know, a
character who's playing this world's version of the architect.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
We just love that there's an idea start doing that
make people like try to figure out what action movie
they are aping in that episode, because.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
The finale is he's he's guarding a home, but he's
guarding it with like you know, elementary traps.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Oh man, I would love it. I would love it.
But anyway, I feel like as far as characters go,
that really stand out to me and performances go as well.
In this show, Sean Harris's Jacob Pears was Yeah, I
mean one of the best villains. Yeah, he was like
a really well played villain. And he also was you
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said sympathetic. I agree. I felt for this guy. Like
there was a point where he's going and he's picking
these dudes off because they were all part of this
plot to leave him there and also kill his his
girl and their family. And I mean he's killing them
in some pretty I love the one that he catches
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and the guy pays him the money and then he
takes them and like and.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Like the joker. Yes, yes, he's just like sitting on
top of the catch and he's like, I'm doing this
as a message. I can't be bought.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I can't be Oh my throws a lighter in there
and burns this dude on the steps of some monument
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Hey, another reference. I don't know if you've had enough
yet in the last five minutes. This this literally is
the Dark Knight. That line by Michael Caine, like, some
men can't be bought. They just want to watch watch
the world. That's this guy without being like a you know,
a crazy fucking psycho in a clown suit. He's just like, no,
I'm not interested in money. I'm not interested in Rake compends,
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I'm interested in revenge and I'm interested but more than that,
he's interested in delegitimizing this government. It's a very like
I think if more like lefty anti government people were
also a little bit more tolerant of the action genre
and lost the words toxic masculinity from their vocabulary, I
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actually think they would enjoy this show because really the
message of this show is governments can't be trusted. M
that you know, that self determination is best left to
the people and self government and governance is best left
to the people because institutions are inherently corrupt. That's the
message of this show. And it's funny because the cops
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in it are kind of having to navigate this system
like they just want to bring down the bad guys, right,
they are motivated by service, they are impeded upon by
their kind of sympathy to his point of view, but
they're not so far gone or so also having been
so betrayed by the government that that they're completely lost,
Like they're very much as duty bound, but they also
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see the flaws with the government and are sometimes throughout
the show kind of victims of it. You know, like
there's a couple there's a couple of different times they
kind of bash heads with the powers that be and
they're having to like work around that, and you know,
and then enough stuff changes that it doesn't really matter anymore.
But they they definitely seem like, given enough losses, they
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could take Sean Harris's point of view.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah. Yeah, I throughout the season, I was kind of
like keeping I was checking boxes on the villainy of
Jacob Pierce here, like, Okay, what what lines is he crossing?
Because you know, burning the one dude with the money. Yeah,
that's a little over the top, but I mean, hey,
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he's getting his vengeance.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't I don't. I don't begrute him his performance art.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, right, And then there are a couple other there were.
Essentially he was trying to take these guys out, and
you know, and I think the first guy he ends
up kidnapping his daughter. I was like, oh, maybe that's
a line. But he let the he let the daughter go,
so there's kind of like the sense of honor with him.
And then I think there was a point where one person's.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
He's more honorable than the Mexican drug lord traffickers from
fucking the last Rambo movie. This guy is like, I
have a I have a.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, right right, And in order to save I think
his his the one daughter that lives. I think her
name is Essen. Anyway, he gives himself up, which I
did not see coming. That happens I think in episode
six or seven, where.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
In that scene like come on, you pussy motherfucker getting
a helicopter, helicopter theitch What I am kind to her?
Her life is important. I am nothing and she is
everything and her life is more important than mine. Phrase
like what are we doing here? Did we? I? I
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was here for the cause? What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Did we mention that there is a nuclear bomb in Paris?
Did we say that in the synopsis? I can't remember,
but at some point we have a bomb.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Really, this is really thin. Yeah, about halfway through this
becomes this stop. Like I said, so when when Alexis
and I reviewed I Know You Did Last Summer, the
thing that we said about it is this is yet
another show where this is it is the intellectual property.
It's being called in name only. And one of the
things that I said was, this feels like this was
(34:10):
a This was a Actually it feels like this was
a movie. And Amazon was like, we will give you
money for this, but make it a show because we
want people to spend ten hours on our app, and
also linked to something we already have, like copyrights for okay,
And so it got jury rigged, reverse engineered, ass backwards
(34:30):
into the I Know what you Did last Summer canon.
It has as much to do with I Know what
you did last summer as you do. So I kind
of have a feeling that was the same thing with
this show. Weird, This is a This was actually about
a soldier taking revenge on the French government and his
whole thing is I've hidden You've talked about Diehard, I've
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hidden the bomb. Diehard three, Diehart three, I've hidden a
bomb somewhere in Paris Nanny Andy fufu ha ha, come get.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Me no riddles. There just wasn't any riddles here, which
you know, we didn't have simple Simon giving giving us
any riddles or anything.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Right, and then and again, you know, saying well, what's
our hook? How do we get people to watch this?
We can't call this, you know, a frenchie dirty bomb show.
We have to we have to call.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I am curious as to what titles were kind of
bandied about before they landed on what.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
You know, it was Frenchy dirty bomb, dirty frenchie bombs.
Oh why do you doubt me? Jesse?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Wait wait, wait, you go ahead and keep talking. I'm
going to Google Translate so we can find that what
frenchy dirty bomb sounds like in French.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh good, so, according to production again, the wiki on
this is a bit thin. The eight part series is
written by Howard Over, been produced by Studio Kanal, Urban
Myth Films and Millennium Media and g Based, two companies
that produced the has Fallen film Fantasy. Okay, I I
have a sneaky I still feel like they had a
script and they got the script and they were like
(36:06):
I would almost guarantee that they had a script that
was something else, and they were like, well, we have
we have has fallen. Let's rewrite this so that it's
part of the has fallen the world. But I don't
believe it began its infancy as that. That's my that's
my idea at least in any case. Let me talk
about a couple. We're about halfway through the review here.
(36:27):
Let me talk about some things I really liked about this.
We've talked about Sean Harris a lot. He's the best
part of this show. He is one of the best
TV villains I've seen in quite some time. He is composed,
he is vicious. This show is very brave, again, very European.
It doesn't have kind of Americans kind of pussy sensibilities
(36:49):
to it, Like it's the actions kind of brutal, like
there are you can hear like bone snapping at times.
You know, like there's some real crunch to this show.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Oh yeah, I think our first in our first episode,
there's you know, a fight that breaks out because Pearce
has made himself known there at that party, and there
is a mind that gets a stiletto right in his eye.
Yes not good.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Well that that brings me to Aria, what's her name again?
Read too Aria? What I like about her, because I'm very,
very sensitive to this right now, which is how you
present women in action set pieces. Now you notice I'm
not saying you shouldn't have had her. Actually, I think
she's brilliant in this. I really liked her in this.
I think she's I think she plays off the other
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lead really really well. But what this show does well
that a lot of American Hollywood bullshit does wrong is
she's not superwoman. She's not a Mary Sue. She's not
morally superior to everyone around her. She's driven, she but
she's you know, you have to get into her home life,
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which I think the show normally this is the sort
of thing where I'm just like, oh, this is the
boring part of the show. But actually it's one of
the few things that gives her any depth, is that
she's in this relationship where she has to hide her
identity from her because she doesn't want her to scare
the fuck out of her. And then the woman finds
out about it and she's like, why would you lie
to me? He's like, Okay, well I won't lie to
you anymore, and then like all like you know all
(38:23):
good women. You know, I understand that I asked you
to tell me the truth and so you did. But
now I don't like that either. I can't fucking win here.
But I think that's great, Like it really gave her
character some depth, you know, Like there's a point where
they're talking about his relationship with President because they have
a love affair going on, and she's like, this kind
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of morally compromises you. This is not good. He was like,
I agree with you, this is brilliant, by the way,
it's brilliant fucking writing in the year of Warler twenty
twenty five, or a man just like, uh huh, everything
you're saying is correct, can't And she's like, you're not
gonna change, are you, No, not even a little, Like
it just sort of looks out the window. All right,
(39:10):
you're a fucking asshole or something like that. You know,
fuck you, Vincent, And that's it. That's the end of
the conversation. And I'm like, Wow, if this had been
in if this had been in America, if this had
been like an American character, she'd have been nagging him
the whole time and he'd have been apologizing the whole time. Yeah,
And instead he's like, I'm a guy, I have a penist,
she's a girl, she has a vagina. I just happened
(39:31):
to be a protection agent and she's the president. We'll
figure it out. It's complicated, it's complicated, and and she's
just like, it doesn't have to be, though, why don't
you try doing the right thing? And he was like eh,
which I feel like is the reaction most people have
to being called out on their bullshit.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
True.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Like, it's like, it's one of the better scenes in
the whole show is that little interaction between them. But
it really showed her as being somebody who she's capable
but not invincible. Yeah, she's not a lot of the
like a lot of the Girl bloss characters like you know, again,
we're all real sensitive that sort of thing. Now, dude,
(40:12):
she gets your fucking ass beat through most of this show.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I mean
to kind of support what you're talking about there. She's
definitely not in vulnerable when she gets into some of
these fights with these men, these grown men that like whip.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
This, she barely gets out of that, right, right.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
That was that was the one thing because I mean
he picked her up, punched her a few times, and
I mean it's not like she's just like shrugging it off.
She's definitely walking out of this stuff limping and bruised
and barely.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
All the credit to like the costume and make up people.
They bloody her up good.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, there's a couple of scenes where she gets into
fights were after she looked like a fucking domestic violent victim.
They beat the shit at her and like she's a
champ man. She fucking took it. But you know she
like you're talking about the bit with the stiletto heel,
like that's all like her. She she was she was
overpowered by a big, burly man and she just shifted
her weight just enough that he fell on it. Yeah,
(41:08):
there's a point where she takes a fucking like a spinebuster.
She took a legit ron sim it's damn spinebuster and
whits out. Baby, she fucking woke up and didn't know
what year it was. Our math, Yeah, yep, it's good ship.
(41:28):
But like so, like I said, they gave her a
lot of agency, They gave her a lot of like
toughness and a lot of intelligence, but they also made
her morally questionable and they didn't make her a nag,
which I thought was great. And now by comparison, they
have two thick Jalab who plays Vincent Teleeb and he's capable.
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He's just a different kind of press Like it's weird.
It's like we can either have Superman or Adam Devine
as if there's nothing in the middle, and he's in
the middle. He is squarely in the middle. He is
a trained ass kicking, serious fellow who's just kind of like,
(42:13):
I'm here, I have a job. This is the whole
world to me. I love a girl. I'm not moved
by any of this, but i have a job to
do and I'm gonna go do that. Like like he's
flatten all the best ways, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, And I think we get to
see at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
You know, hang on a second, because I got called
out on this on TikTok. If you want a relatable
male character, you don't have to have him be a
complete fop like fucking Jack Waite and Nova Kane. Go
for this. Go for this guy, because everyone's just like, oh,
Superman steroids. You know, we like relatable people. We like
people that look like us. Okay, this guy, this guy
(42:54):
is closer to that than fucking Jackquaite is Like why
why is our choices shouldn't be either Stallone or Schwarzenegro
or Jack quayeon Adam divine. There's there's a middle ground, right,
This guy is the middle ground all right now?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I was just gonna say, I mean, at the beginning,
we could see that he's doing his protection of the
defense minister, and he gets saved I think by Zara.
Doesn't he like in that what happens? Like he is
he is just about to die and she comes in
and she saves him in the kitchen, saves him in
the kitchen, almost shoot him. Yeah, right, Uh So, you
(43:34):
know he has his moments where you know, he's just
like you said, he's he's he's in the middle ground.
He's just trying to he's trying to figure out what's
going on. He is also trying to deal with Zara
plays more of the oh my goodness, what's the best
way to describe her personality? She's she seems like she
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has she's not hot headed, but she makes decisions.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
He gets her out on that. She's reckless, reckless.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
That's yeah, that's probably the best way to put it. Specifically,
that moment where they have pierced on the roof and
she's got and she decides to go. You know, well, hey,
look I'll put a bullet in this girl's head.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
What a great example of what I'm talking about. I
actually forgot about that, and you mention it. She fucking leaps.
She goes to leaping because she's a fucking girl. She
doesn't make the leaf that she die made and hits
the roof and doesn't quite make it, and then she
tries to get up on the roof anyway could punch
squad on the mush.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
And luckily she doesn't die.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
By yeah, you're lush. She walks off the roof and
like her shoe gets caught, so so the camera cuts
and she's just hanging there like fucking Pinocchio.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Well, I feel it's a bit embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I love that because again, you don't get that kind
of like physical female vulnerability in America, right, and you
got it here. It was very comical.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, So you know, watching these two, they had decent
chemistry I thought too as well. I think as far
as working together and you know, they were pointing each other,
pointing out each other's flaws, and also trying to figure
out how to work together, because our first episode brings
them together, and then throughout the rest of the season
you're watching them try to, uh, number one work as
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a team and number two, you know, kind of kind
of help each other through some of their personal stuff
that's going on, although they don't really step too much
into each other's stuff. I think, you know, at one point,
she goes to pick up thea who is high, I mean,
she's an addict, and you know, he kind of just like,
she goes, are you going to report me? And he's like, no,
(45:40):
I'm not. You know, I'm not gonna do anything. I'm
not gonna You've got your own stuff. He's these are
two people that realize they have their own stuff and
they don't need to be in each other's business.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, there's not too much American television involves like lecturing
and nagging and gesticulating, and there's none of that in
this show. This as silly as this show is, and
it gets silly at times, like there's stuff, First of all,
Sean Sean Harris would have when they finally caught him
and they finally had him cornered. They didn't he hadn't
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never seen the light of day again. He'd have been
like the Hulk, like just in an underground fucking bunker,
never to be heard from again. There's no way he's
fucking getting out right right, you know. And there was
so many there was so many convenient moles, you know,
giving information.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
We were watching the one guy who gets accused and
they bring him in there interrogating them, and they're sitting
there watching them, and here comes this one girl. I
don't think we ever saw any of the other episodes.
And she comes in and says something about, oh, hey,
so and so is in there getting interrogated, and I'm like,
that chick's involved. I knew immediately as soon as she
walked in and said something. I'm like, what's why is
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she coming in here? And all of a sudden, now
we know about who Simone is and I'm like, yeah,
she's going to be a big player. I bet she's
the one. And sure enough I was right.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
It was.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I hate to say, but I feel like it was,
you know, a bit predictable, and you've formulated sometimes you.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Were you weren't on the review when I went fucking
off on this the second to twenty eight weeks later
where but.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Oh yeah, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
They have the mom, and the mom is immune to
the zombies, but she had but she's infected. Yeah, so
they know that they can get curious from her blood.
And she's left completely unguarded and the idiot husband bumble
focks his way into her room and of course she
bites him or whatever the bullshit that was. And I'm
(47:43):
screaming at Robert There's no fucking way he'd have gotten
that closed door. No, they'd had guard They're like, well,
they weren't that many people. I'm like, well, what people
they had would have been guarding her, Like this is
horse shit.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
That that was like the only part of this where
I was like when he when he got out, that's
that second time, you know. And we get into the
last arc of the movie of the show, we just
focuses on the President and I'm like, there's no fucking
way he does see the light to get digg And
they just sent him one to do the French version
of One Bay. Yeah, they sent him to they just
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sent him to Locke Bay.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
They're obviously not too worried about trying to kill their operatives.
So I don't even know if this dude would have
made it out there alive, because you're.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Really they shot through some of the soldiers to get
to him.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
That's just not there.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Are French in life. It doesn't mean it's nothing. Okay, Yeah,
what else you got because I I'm I don't think, uh,
because one we're getting on an hour and I don't
want to labor.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
The Yeah, yeah, sure, I mean I think the action.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
And the fightings are really really good. And I think
the way that they have our main characters operating through
the fightings where you can be led to believe at
any given time they're gonna and they're gonna get killed
or or get their ass kicked. Like again, this isn't
fucking John Wick where he can fight an army of
people in hand to hand combat.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, And I wonder if some people thought that that's
what they were going to get with this, which is
kind of.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Movies exactly.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
So I, you know, I can't really fault somebody for
going into this thinking that, oh good, we're going to
get it. We're going to get eight episodes of John
Wick and you're not. You're going to get more about
military espionage, You're going to get more about police procedural,
You're going to get to learn a lot about you know.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
It's just what did you like the fact that there
was a TV show this is essentially an eight hour movie.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I mean it, it didn't bother me that bad. I
mean I I went into this thinking, Okay, they're going
to pull the there. Obviously I was. I was swerved
because we didn't get John Wick, you know, every episode,
So I mean to bother me after getting past the
first episode, I think what saves it is Sean Harris.
(50:07):
In my opinion, I think because they have a very
capable actor doing a very good villain. It's it's going
to be tough to go to top this.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Really.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I think next season you're not going to really be
able to have a villain anything like this, because you're
going to feel like, you know, people are going to
say you're aping that previous season and you can't do it.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
So I get a little itchy about the eight hour
movie thing now one because I think it's cynical and
intellectually dishonest, like stuff that's getting stretched out into series
that are really meant to be movies because of the
way streaming works, and I don't love that. And I
feel like this was a solid two hour movie. And
(50:51):
the only reason why I'm willing to kind of go
along with the eight hour movie thing is they didn't
fill it with action nonsense. They filled it with character death.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah. I was gonna say, that's really a lot of
kind of what you get there isn't like it isn't excessive. Yeah,
as much as you'd think it would be, it's not
really excessive. I think more you learn more about Zara's
relationship with THEA and and of course Vincent's relationship with
the president. But uh, you know, you you they they
(51:25):
fill it a little bit more with I think my
personal opinion, they were like, okay, yeah, two hour movie,
but let's let's make it. There's a chase. Okay, we
got to chase this guy down. What's our next episode
going to be about? Oh, okay, this is where he's
going to make the bomb? All right, Well, how do
they do that? They got to get the uranium. How
(51:47):
do they get the uranium? They hijack a flight. All right,
there's our episode. They're going to hijack a flight so
I feel like that was more along the lines of
what they were doing is just giving us a to
b let's put you know, let's make be actually you know,
Jay or something, and then we'll put some stuff in
between and just really kind of expand on it. The
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payoff with THEA and Zara. I know, I okay, I
feel for Zara. Number one, she loves this girl, but
you know, you're you're sitting there like this is not
a healthy relationship. Number one, THEA is an addict. Very real,
(52:30):
we'll just put it that way. It's not healthy, but
it's very real. There are situations where okay, yeah, your
significant other, it's going to be you know, that happens
out there in the world. Well, you know, Zara is
pretty unique. She doesn't really want to add to this
girl's problems, so she's kind of keeping everything secret. And
then at the end, I think that's one of the
(52:50):
biggest tragic moments of this whole this whole show is
when THEA leaves Zara because Zara decided to take the
shot and try to save I don't know, one hundred
thousand people or something.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
I want to read this to you read I made
the assertion this feels like the original script was a
movie that was reverse engineered into the Has Fallen universe
and then stretched out through a streaming series. Okay, Fancy says,
it's actually a smart assertion, and you're not the only
one who's picked up on it. From what's been reported.
(53:26):
Paris Has Fallen was pitched as the first of several
international spinoffs Paris, Mexico, Berlin. The idea was always to
expand the Has Fallen universe, but it wasn't locked to
anyone character or a script or a film script. That
left room to retrofit existing thriller ideas into the franchise skin.
Howard Overman of Misfits fame as we All Know and
(53:48):
War of the World, is a TV guy, not a
film franchise writer. His involvement supports the reverse engineering feel.
He built it with specific episodic arcs, but you can
sense the bones of a two hour feature stretched into
eight episodes. Several reviewers said it plays like a long
movie chopped into eight parts. That's why it feels cinematic instructure,
(54:08):
but still pays for streaming. Slow reveals, mid season betrayal,
big climax in episode eight, So your read is dead on.
It didn't likely begin as a true Has Fallen script.
It feels more like a euro thriller pitch Spy plus
Bodyguard plus Scarred Vet that Millennium Media and Butler's g
base folded into the brand once they decided to launch
TV spinoffs.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
What is our We're coming back with the season two?
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Right, yes, from what I remember I was. On March
twenty eighth, it was announced a second season, continuing with
the same actors. Apollo Has Fallen was in uh in
production and there's actually a Compedia page for it. Apollo
Has Fallen. It's an upcoming action thriller TV series, part
(54:55):
of the House Fallen franchise, in a sequel to Paris
Has Fallen. Returning cast members includes our two leads here
and hijacking causes Europe to be threatened by a deadly virus.
Oh fuck me, it's twenty eight weeks later.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Oh my goodness, it feels like twenty four seasons something
rather because that happened.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh god, it all it all ends up. Good grief.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
What is a is Apollo the name of because you
know we're breaking rank if that's not the name of
a city, So that's got to be the name.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
No, Olympus was the first one.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
Oh, olymp Olympus, you're right, You're right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Olympus has so you know, where's my daughter? Who's into
the fucking Greek gods and ship. Olympus has fallen, and
now Apollo has fallen. Next week is gonna be fucking
Jupiter has fallen, and then it descends, Jupiter ascending.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
This trilogy makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Then it's gonna and then it's gonna end with Jupiter's legacy.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
What what the hell?
Speaker 4 (55:53):
None of those?
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Oh all right, where's your fucking list?
Speaker 3 (55:59):
There we go, get ready, because I've got my notes,
episode by episode, my favorite the things I picked out.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Jesse pays a lot more attention to the TV show
than I did.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Episode one. My highlight of my notes are I knew
I didn't trust that Mime.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Can be trusted.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
No, they cannot. Episode two we kind of already talked
about where Mulin I think it's his name, or Mulin
gets burned with all his money that he pays Pierce.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
I believe his name is Mulan.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
That's right, he gets burnt with all his money right
there on. That was a that was a great moment.
He's like, uh we Episode three is where we meet Beatrice,
who was one of the ones that orchestrated or helped
orchestrate the bombing the car bombing. And the big moment
really I had down here was that at the end
(56:54):
when Beatrice gives Pierce the president's name, which is like,
dun it was the precedent of France that ordered to hit.
Episode four, this is my Diehard too moment. Pierce is
shutting down all the flight transponders and I was like,
wait a second, that didn't exactly happen and die Hard too,
but there was definitely a plane involved, and I remember
(57:15):
them messing with the airport. And then that's where I
was like, man, it would be great to have a
show that kind of paid homage to eighties and nineties
action flicks by every episode having some kind of a
some kind of a villain that just uses that maybe.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Our hero has to go to Thailand and enter a
kickboxing tournament.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
Oh oh my gosh, come on. And people were sitting
there going like, what what's the next episode going to be?
It's good for at least three seasons.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Oh yeah, okay, so many where he's on like a
weird game show where he gets chased by like, you know,
pro wrestlers with chainsaws.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Eight episodes each season. Trust me, you gotta hit on
your hands. Episode five that's where Zara takes Essen I
think is her name, hostage to get pierced to give up,
which a lot of people had problems with that. I
thought it was kind of brilliant. I liked how Pierce
is like, okay, yeah, because it shows that his love
for Amina and Lessen.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
He's still being He's not a video game boss.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yeah, he wants the whole purpose of him going through
this is to avenge what happened, and he doesn't want
anything else to happen and to uh, you know, Amina
and her kids. So Amena is already dead, but Essen, unfortunately,
she Essen does escape. Episode six. Oh my goodness. I
had a few of these, actually, I sent you a picture,
(58:38):
all right. But the first one is when they've got
pierced and they're interrogating him, and I mean, this dude's
covered in scars. At one point you see his back,
he's burned up and down his arms and there they
bring him into the interrogation room and Vincent Zar and
there and Vincent looks at him and goes, you want
you want a coffee or a sandwich, and Pierce looks
(59:02):
at him and says, the Taliban would burn me, and
you offer me coffee and a sale. It's like, you
ain't get shipped for me right now, I don't. I
don't even understand how you think you're going to get
anything out of me. They have him in a room.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
By the way, I've heard that before. That's that's I
don't want to go on fancy again, but that like
that line about you know I've heard that before. We're like,
you think you're being tough with me, but where I
come from, you know what it was? Damn it.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
It's from the Wire.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
It's from The Wire season two where they're questioning fucking
the Rushet and he's in heat and he was like,
in my country, I would be tortured. This is nothing.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
This is nothing.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
Prison to fucking prison to fucking spaw in America, priest or.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
Priest Pierce proceeds, that's what I was looking for. Pierce
proceeds to get up from the table and go sit
flat backed against the wall and puts his arms out
and he's like, you know, if I moved. When I
was in prison, they would burn me with a torch,
and he just sat there and you know, it was
like his meditation. It was again, make sure.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Reflect on the first Iron Man, doesn't it?
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
They're like, how how the fantasy is not that he
could build a suit of armor that he could wear
and then attack people with. The fantasy is that they
didn't torture him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
You just let him work in peace, right right?
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
The picture slash video I may have sent to you
was the subtitles were on on my TV while I'm watching.
Oh it's mandatory now, just because you got noise in
other rooms whatever you got kids, you probably understand.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yes, anyway, I understand.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
So as Pierce is sitting in his cell, you hear
the food door open. They're gonna give him his stuff,
and they call it on there the bean slot, which
I have never heard before in my entire life. Have
you ever heard the door that opens to put the
food into the cell? I called the bean slots, not.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
The bean slots, the food slot.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
It's the bean slot. According to this, another another piece
of evidence to tell you that this was not an
American show at all, that's the bean slot and episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I messed with the girls bean slot last night.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I don't know you found never mind. Episode six was
also where I doubled down on the absolute worst commercial
cuts in history. I have never ever sat through a
Hulu show that cut.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I don't pay I tell you. In its original airing,
this didn't have commercials.
Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Well, yeah, that that's gotta be what's going on? Yeah,
but what okay, when I pay Hulu to not do commercials,
do me a favor. Don't cut the show like in
the middle of where a commercial is supposed to be.
Maybe let it go. Every other show in the history
of UH I've seen pre.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Cut like that is my point. Like, wherever this originally
aired in Europe, I guarantee you had commercials like built
in and that and that. The file that they sent
to Hulu is is that with the commercial cuts, it's
so poorly done.
Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
It is they could have done something. It I mean,
because to express to the listeners what happened, You'll be
watching and all of the sudden, like I have problems
where the cuts were placed because it wasn't even like.
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
A podcast now on fucking spreaker.
Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Oh dude, that was going to be my joke and
almost my lead end to this was like, yeah, brought
to you by Spreaker, because that's what that felt like,
Like you're in the middle of something and then just
cut and then it goes to black for like seconds.
Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I listened like a kissing the car with my kids,
and it'd be like add another big jesse and there's like,
let me tell you about do you feel sad? My
fucking laughs every time stop it, Spreaker. But anyway, my
son things my podcast now work or two hour commercials
for like the.
Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Farmer Chumbu Casino is what I get.
Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
That's another one where he like the last time we
had a long drive somewhere and he had to hear
the chumbu um um, but Chumba, he must dove out
of the fucking car or he demanded I take him gambling.
Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
H Ryan Seacrest, Let's get him on the show. I
think he's the guy that's doing all these commercials anyway,
So yes, the way that this would work is like
right in the middle of something, it would cut and
it would go for like two seconds black screen and
then right back to it. Yeah, did not like it. No,
fade out. No, nothing like immediate cut in the music,
like it wasn't even like a dun dun dun and
(01:03:53):
then cut. No, it was like, hey, I mean I
cut and then back in the same music continues.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
You're like, what, Okay, have a still shot of the president?
Spin it or something? Please?
Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Episode seven?
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
All right, punch.
Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
By the way, let's stop everything right now. I'm about
to share my screen. Okay, share screen, and I'm sharing
my audio on purpose here Okay, you ready hang on?
Here we go, Frinch, well.
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Album, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I'm about passed out.
Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Frinch.
Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
You're gonna need to save that for a future sessions
because I sent another dumb step coming on.
Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Oh the old frenchy dirty bomb.
Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
All right. I gave a girl a French dirty bomb
last night. I don't know?
Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
All right? Episode seven, moving on, two episodes left here.
Episode seven. The big revelation that I highlighted here was
Vincent is afraid of horses. Yes, they go about their fears,
and yes I'm afraid of horses. So episode eight, I'm
going to elaborate one more time that Zara and THEA.
(01:05:40):
THEA is at the end of the after she takes
the shot Zara takes the shot. Okay, so I guess
we got to lead up to this here real quick.
Pierce takes THEA hostage because he's trying to make sure
that he obviously gets the president. That kind of how
they do this. They give the President over but to
(01:06:03):
make sure that there is no shenanigans. He's got THEA
as hostage. Zara's love interest. Zara is on a roof
with a sniper rifle pointed, trying to get a good
shot at Piers, and she's caught in a quandary. Does
she take the shot to try and get Pierce or
does she not because it's THEA. She doesn't want to
(01:06:23):
hurt THEA, right, No, fuck that. Zara takes the shot
and like shoots, but she shoots like enough to like
skim her arm and I think she lands the shot,
I think into Piers.
Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
But hang on their conversation about that at the end
of the show. Yes, I don't want to be with
you anymore, like, but I did what you asked. I've
told you I was honest, Like you know, it's like
I don't want to have to think about you being
out there. Also, can we talk about how you shot me? Right,
and that's what the shit joke. That's a markism. She's legit, like,
(01:06:57):
you fucking shot me. There's no art, there's no counter
argument to the job is more important to you than
I am, because even if you say, but it's not,
I love you, I'm always going to land back on
the same problem you fucking shot me. I get it's
a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
I cannot. It drove me nuts that THEA could not
get past that, Like I, yes, yeah, did, I don't care. Okay, yeah,
the job is giving me to give me.
Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
If I shot you in the shoulder to get to
the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Okay. I think I'm aware also of what the problem
the issue is here. There's a bomb that they're trying
to stop from detonating that's going to kill them anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Okay, So everything I say at this point will get
me in trouble. So I will let you have that,
but I also kind of want to test your theory.
Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Oh okay, well, I'm just saying THEA, you know, she
was very selfishly was like, you know, okay, no, there's
no possibility of that we're gonna be able to work
this out. You shot me because the job was more important, No,
I think it wasn't the fact that the job was
more important. It was the fact that there was a
bomb that was going to kill everyone anyway. I want
(01:08:13):
to try to stop that from going on.
Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
He was like, like, you've got your confession. What else
do you want for Paris to not be livable for
twenty years? That's your legacy. It's like Jesus.
Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Christ, you need to get out of that relationship.
Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Z go.
Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Jesus, go ahead and eat your hot chili's with whatever
you're eating and leave. Please, I'm not done. To Harris,
I'm all right, there you go. There's my my hot
list for all eight episodes. I almost passed out with
the fancy bomb that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
We made.
Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
It. Okay, we have to have another we have to
have any impromptu sessions and make a French of dirty
bomb song. I love it. I love it, though I'd
expected that.
Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I will pass out.
Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Okay, well, I don't want you to do that on
the show. I might shoot you in the shoulder. You
to the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
What's the thing you want to do?
Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
All right tomorrow? So yeah, this is in conclusion, Paris
has fallen is better than it has any right to be.
It's it's obviously not perfect, but it When was the
last time you heard me say this many positive things
about any television show that isn't made by David Simon,
Like you know it was, I mean, like I it weirdly,
(01:09:25):
this isn't the kind of thing I normally watch anymore, so,
but I'm for for once I actually got to watch
a show that I really enjoyed that had action in drama, romance.
Like there was a lot going on with this show
that I can forgive its foibles. So if you're into
the kind of intense action drama that you've see in
(01:09:48):
America but you don't want it pussified, I would watch
Paris Has Fallen. I'll give you the last word.
Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Uh, if you like twenty four and you can't get
enough twenty four, Paris has or die Hard or there's
a lot of shots we could take and parallels you
can drawl. But I mean, if you're interested in, you know,
an international kind of like espionage, military procede role, then
(01:10:16):
this is worth a shot. It's eight episodes. It's not
really as you know, grinding as twenty two episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
If you're one of these people who just watches TV
with your significant other, or you know, by yourself and
you have like eight hours to kill. This is a
it depends, but Breezy eight hours. Serviceable stuff, yes, sir,
serviceable stuff. That's what. That's what. That's what we're.
Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Known for here written on my underwear.
Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Serviceable stuff. I'm not gonna make a joke about that.
How about that? All right? Tomorrow we are reviewing The
Toxic Avenger with Peter Dinklage. That's the remake of the
movies that we talked about last week.
Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
People are almost going to think that Peter d english
is going to be on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yeah. Wednesday, h Alesis is reviewing Twisted Metal season two. Uh,
and then Thursday, myself in Shape Tate will be reviewing
We'll be looking at Terry gilliam movies. We are doing
Time Bandits, The Adventures of Baron Munchausend, and Fear and
Loathing in Las Vegas. One of these things is not
(01:11:27):
like the other. One of these things dead. Last week,
you and I did not do a podcast because I
was watching Forbidden Door.
Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
I bet you was.
Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Well. I tried to, but all right, I tried to,
but she fucking left her id in another county. So anyway,
shut up Jesse. Then Monday we took a break from
damn you, Hollywood, but we looked at Joel schumacher movies,
Lost Boys, Falling Down an eight Millimeter. And Wednesday, myself
(01:12:04):
and Harry brought Hurst the Indie Siders. We looked at
Forbidden Door, we looked at Clash in Paris, and then
we are in our Indian rific. Spotlight was game change
of Wrestling versus Juggalow Championship Wrestling, the Two Day War.
And then Thursday we brought a new person into the cult.
Uh Dorian brought me another woman, because that's Orian's job.
(01:12:24):
Dorian's job is to traffic. Now he says men and women.
I feel like he's brought me more women than men,
don't you think, Pimp Dorian? That's right, he was pimped
the year anyway. So, uh, Dorian brought me another another
bitch to put in my stable. And her name is
Kat and she's very lovely and she was a big
(01:12:46):
Toxic Avenger fan. So she came on with Shay and
Sean Comer to talk the Toxic Avenger movie. So that
was a lot of fun. And she you know, all
you fucking lazy bitches in the group chats you don't
you don't nobody pick up their weight anymore? Oh not you,
You're fine, But everybody else, nobody picks up their weight.
This girl one show and she's like, I have another idea.
(01:13:07):
I have more ideas. Oh look out, I am a
girl with boobs and listen to me. And I said, okay,
well that's gonna be okay, good argument. That's a winning formula.
She's like, do you want to talk about the interview
with the Vampire Show? And I was like, you know what, sure,
you're you seem to enjoy that sort of thing and
are passionate about it. And I like talking about things
people are passionate about. And I don't hate the idea.
(01:13:28):
So when I think October, we're going to do the
interview with the Vampire TV.
Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Show, okay, and then next after that, when you guys
do what we do in the shadows, let me know.
Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Okay, if she pitches that, I'll let you know. Let
you fucking host it. That's what's going on with me.
What's going on with you? Wow?
Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Well, okay. Taking a look back at what has been
airing this past week, I clicked on the wrong calendar. Oh,
shut up. The twenty fifth of August on the Unspoken
Issues podcast that dropped was me doing a solo shot
talking about Ozzy Osbourne Ozzy Osbourne Number one from Rocket Comics,
(01:14:12):
which was an interesting imprint from Malibu, and the issue
was really I read it like a few days after
Ozzie had passed and the actual comic book came out
and I think ninety two or ninety three, and it
talks about maybe ninety four, but it talks about a
story that where Ozzie had a dream and they turned
(01:14:33):
this into a comic where he died, and it was really, Yeah,
it was very it was very eerie to kind of
read what happened in there. So anyway, I break down
Rocket Comics and I break down the issue as well,
the story that happens in the issue, So if you
want to check that out. I even got a nice
cool souno backing track. Oh it's good stuff. Good stuff,
(01:14:55):
have you mind?
Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
You got me on fucking backing tracks now and fancy
I recommended it.
Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Yeah, that's good stuff. And then previous to that and
tomorrow we are in the midst of Darth Vader Part one.
Last on the eighteenth of August and part two tomorrow, September. First,
you and Me talking Darth Vader on the Source Material
Comics podcast. Me and Avon Bevan's getting together talking Snap
Material happening this Wednesday, probably going to be airing later
(01:15:23):
this week. And also I want to give a shout
out to my Unspoken Issues project that I'm in the
middle Unspoken Issues nineties comics all the time. I'm in
the middle of getting things together to celebrate the thirtieth
anniversary of Black September. And Black September was an event
where Marvel had bought Malibu Comics and took the Ultraverse
(01:15:46):
and was going to put it in the Marvel universe.
There are a bunch of superheroes I got.
Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
It's like that time that the WWF bought.
Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
WCW. Well, very is very you know, very kind of
reminiscent of it. The problem and almost when you look
at it, Uh, what happened to w CW and ww
F you know w w F By's WCW and tries
to make it a brand itself. Right, Well, Marvel takes Malibu, uh,
(01:16:17):
and takes the Ultraverse and does something very similar. It's like, okay,
we're relaunching all these titles. Prime. I don't know if
you remember Prime. Do you remember ever Comics?
Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
You? Fine?
Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Okay, all right, well Prime was probably the biggest one
to come out of a big muscle bound guy p
on his chest, you know. And uh, anyway, it took
like five or six of these titles are.
Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Not completely different.
Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
He's on his chest, that's how he actually gets his powers.
Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
It's crazy, I give more. He's knelt down in the shower.
You better keep going.
Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Shower. Anyway, So they try to relaunch all this stuff
in like ninety five, and it fails within a year,
and you never see these souper heroes again. They are
part of the Marvel universe right now. If you if
you looked up something about Prime in the Marvel universe,
you would see that that is a character that Marvel
(01:17:08):
owns but does not publish.
Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
In the Shower.
Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Oh yes, as a matter of fact, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Be laughing about that for the next twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
That's good. I won't be on here. But anyway, I'm
doing I'm doing some solo shots. Me and Chris Armstrong
are getting together talking about Black September and some of
the stuff that resulted from it, and so it's a
it's a neat project. I really hope you get a
chance to listen to it if you want to learn
about some Congic book history and what happened back then.
(01:17:39):
Thirty year anniversary this September happened in nineteen ninety five,
September ninety five, So check that out. It's a lot
of fun. I'm done talking now. I want to appeal
on my.
Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Chest, all right, So the next time get I didn't
know you and then you were into that sort of thing.
But I'm very intrigued. That's your own fault, don't you
you get mad at me?
Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Won't you get mad at me?
Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
All right? Jesse, will be back next Sunday. What are
you doing at six o'clock? What is this eminem fear
with Billy d Evan?
Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Billy d and Evan with magazines and monsters? Brother, you've
been on there?
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Oh okay? Are you gonna be available at nine o'clock?
Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yes? I told them specifically that as long as I'm
out of there by nine, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Okay, Well, then you'll be back a week from tonight.
We'll be doing a triple feature. Oh, Jesse, have you
figured out this last movie yet because I told you
about this Love Me, Love Me. So okay, these are
a triple feature of recent animated features. So we have Predator,
Killer of Killers, The Witcher, Sirens of the Deep. These
both came out earlier this year, more one more recently
(01:18:42):
than the other on streaming. And then finally, I've been
wanting to talk about this all year. I when I
realized it was at least partially animated, I'm like, it fits,
it fits well enough, it fits, it fits. Oh, it fits,
it fits. So we'll be talking. Love Me the Romance,
(01:19:04):
where Christian Stewart plays a booie who falls in love
with the satellite. What you need to read up on this?
Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I see exactly. I see this.
Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Oh my gosh, please watch this with Mindy. I need
you to like TikTok live her reaction.
Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Steven Young from from Walking Dead, I mean, I yeah,
I can't wait to talk about it. Gonna be a
bit of a jarring turn from uh, you.
Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Know, the Predator. I need your wife's live reaction to this.
Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Oh man, just tell her.
Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
It's a romance. Just tell her it's a romance. Don't
tell her anything else.
Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I can quote her right now the two famous words, no, three,
three famous words that come out of her mouth, which
is all always. That was stupid? That was stupid? How's that?
And that better? I truncated? Okay, then three of.
Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Them perfect, Thank you. I don't want to carry from
the appellations one.
Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
What's one is mountain dew.
Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Spelled cat c o a l cat.
Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Every word is spelled c o a l.
Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Then you picked that.
Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Up Merriam Webster's Dictionary of Appleatua.
Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Right there, all right, now that we've insulted everybody, we
got everyone covered. This is.
Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
And I am.
Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Gotta get costa. Got got got get it
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Speaker 3 (01:14):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Your host, the mandated reporter, and frankly, I'm very tired
and forgetful, mister Mark Radlage, And tonight our favorite show
is Paris has Fallen and can't get up?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh why yeah? Oh yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Remember the old lady she felt she couldn't get up?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Oh yeah, there used to be like there was a
song that made the rounds too, like a rap song.
If I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I heard it's because she was in Paris and was
shot up by a terrorist.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Geez crime.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well yeah, tell you that didn't tell you that part
in the eighties, No, they did not.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Gils.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Paris has Fallen as a twenty twenty four French and
English language action television series It is written by Howard
Overman and directed by Oded Ruskin and Hans Herberts. The
cast is led by two week but Je lab Richie
Arayah and Sean Harris. Howard Overman you may have heard
(02:18):
he has You may have heard of before. He has
gotten writing credits on such luminary shows that I know
that you've all watched, like Moving Wallpaper, Hotel Babylon, Misfits
between two thousand and nine and twenty thirteen, which was
a British sci fi fiction comedy drama television show. Yes. Oh,
(02:43):
he worked on Dirk Gently.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Oh okay, okay, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
As in like Dirk Gently it's a list of detective agency. Yeah, yeah,
crazy head, we worked on that. He worked on the
War of the World series.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I was like, what no at.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And prior to Paris Has Fallen he worked on the
one he for the Misfits. He actually won a Best
Drama Series at the British Academy of Television. The Misfits
won a Best Broadcast award and he also he also
(03:33):
got an award for Best Special Effects for Misfits Breakout
of the Year, So you know, yes, he is actually
best known for creating the series Misfits, which won a
twenty ten bath The Television Award for Best Drama Series.
As I said, Okay, so that's so, yeah, he's no slouch, Jesse.
(03:55):
Don't don't put that man down.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
You've never heard of him, Okay, sounds it sounds like
he's a big deal over you know there, Yeah, you know,
you know what I'm saying. And this definitely has that
over there feel. Considering it's very European.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's where the culture is from. Indeed, not in this
country where where we have nothing, we have we have
tikk we have TikTok and tits. That's what we've got.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uncultured, I believe, is what they call swines. That's why
you are.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You may have recognized at least one of the actresses too,
are you, British actress? You have seen her in such amazing, fantastic,
wonderful movies as last Christmas Red noticed she was inspector
Vashi Das. She is not Dwayne the Rock Johnson or
(04:47):
Ryan Reynolds or Galgadot. I don't know if you knew
that or not.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
She's not number four.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Actually, now that I read that that, she does seem familiar.
She was journalist Barbie and Barbie.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
She's also got some television credits besides Paris Has Fallen.
She's Leilah Pitts in seasons two through four of The
Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's right, that's right, That's where I recognized her from
she are you?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Are you a Hooven a Hubian? Do you like Doctor Who?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I do love Doctor Who?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yes, well she's an episode. She plays Gatt in the
episode Fugitive of Judune.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Hmm, can you well, you'd have no idea. I so
my my watching stops shortly after Peter Capaldi, and then
I wanted to watch everything after that. I just have
not had the chance to do so.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
She also plays Gale in the episode The Sign of
Three on The Sherlock Home Show that starred Bennettkumberbatch.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, I know that. I was wanna say, that's a
pretty popular series, but I've never watched it.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So that's who she is. And Sean Harris, Uh, he's
been in a bunch of things.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Okay, so you know this is going to answer a
question for me right now?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Are those those are not his scars?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Then? No?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Okay, I mean he this pretty convincing. I thought, like,
this is the first time I've ever seen him, So this.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Is not the first time you've seen him.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Okay, it's because now I want to be like, oh crap,
I know this guy.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay. So he's he's King Arthur in The Green Knight,
which Ronnie and I reviewed.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I've never seen it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
He is.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Solomon Lane in Mission Impossible Fallout.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Never seen it for fun sake, Jesse.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He is Solomon Lane in Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh, never seen it.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
He's Fifth Field or Firefield and Prometheus.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I've seen Prometheus. I do not remember him.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I've been a long time held by an alien Inrome,
probably sixty Uh. I mean he's in other stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But well I didn't it, did not. I thought, and
kudos to are you know our makeup department here, because
I really bought that, like, oh they pulled this guy.
Not only did you have these scars, but he was
a I thought he was a decent actor.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And on television he is Micheletto Corella in The Borges.
You never watched Thees, Jesse, Nope, have not. What about
Law and Order, UK, I know you like your Law
and Order shows.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I did not know I mean, it makes sense that
they have a spin off for that, but I did
not know there was such a.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Thing fucking law and order everywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Oh, he's Thomas in a in a television film, an
Italian American biblical historical drama TV mini series called Geez
he don't. Aren't you all like churchy up in Ohio? There?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It sounds very specific. I mean if you could have
probably pointed me toward any movie named Jesus, and there's
like five of them that I could probably rattle off.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So who are you to doubt that British Academy Television
Award for Best Actor Sean Harris.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I did not doubt the man. I just can't believe.
I didn't see him in anything prior.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
How could you not have seen his miniseriies Southcliff in
twenty thirteen, where he received three consecutive nominations for Best
Supporting Actor at the British Academy of Television Award.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
For Somebody just sent me something yesterday saying that exact
same thing, you need to watch this, And I was like,
oh really, okay, no, okay, I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So this is a show that nobody saw made on
a continent that nobody's been to, with actors nobody's heard of.
That's the subtotal of what we're doing here today.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Can you please just let our audience and me know why, Yes,
this show.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So. I don't remember what I was doing in the
Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. However I do
know that in the first quarter of this year, I
was going through various Wikipedia pages and taking time out
of my workday to update the calendar and find things
for you and me to talk about, and I kind
of wanted to stick with like one season of television.
(09:31):
So you've heard the podcast canceled too Soon.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Right, I've heard of it. Yes, I've never seen it,
but I've heard of it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yes it Yeah, the premise of cancel too soon as
they review a season of television or less.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Oh what am I saying? Yes, Okay, I wreck it.
Whitney Striver is not Whitty Striver. Shoot, that's the a
bl what Striver of Communion which I don't know that is.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Not like it's not like a comedian and I can't
remember which it was. Patton Oswald. He was doing like
an impression of like the guy from Carvel. He's like,
it won't be like Sigourney Shriver's communion and will crawl
in your button.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That is exactly who that is. But anyway, anyway, yes,
I know exactly what you're talking about. Cancer too soon? Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah. They so they did a whole thing about one
season television, and I thought, well, I would like to
do a season of television, not seven seasons with twenty
two episodes. I wanted to do a season of television,
talk about it with my friend Jesse, and then move
on with my fucking life.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
What is really strange is today I get on to
I get on the Facebook and I think you had
shared something about or maybe it was somebody else, somebody
covered something in Paris today. Uh how does that line up?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
How does that really fucking kismet? That it was TikTok
live covering the clash in Paris, Yes, which I think
is the ww's final like main roster p l E
for Peacock because next month, so you know how they
bought e c W where they also bought all the
copyrights for ec W, which means some of the pay
(11:23):
per view names, which is why the first p l
E for ESPN for the main roster WWE is called
Wressel Palooza. That was an e c W pay per view,
and it hurts me, Jesse. It hurts me that they
that they're they're stealing it, wow, stealing something that they
bought outright.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Is Lollapalooza still a thing?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I I I'm really because that's you know, obviously, the
first time I've ever heard of something called a palooza
was La Laala.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
People are gonna think we don't want to talk about
this show.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Well, let's just put it out there that if we
do talk about this, we got about fifteen minutes of content.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm stortioning it out, Jesse. I'm starching it out.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I mean, is we'll get into this isn't a horrible series.
It's just not a lot that's going to be remarkable.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Lollapalooza existed in the Year of Our Lord nineteen ninety
one and ran to nineteen ninety seven, took a break,
as all good things should, came back in two thousand
and three, took another break because it's Mexican apparently, then
existed from twenty and five to twenty nineteen. Took another
break and has been active from twenty twenty one till now.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Okay, all right, big in the nineties, but.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It also existed in Paris in twenty twenty two, Chicago
in twenty twenty three, Berlin in twenty twenty three, Mumbai
in twenty twenty three, Buenos Aires twenty twenty three, Santiago, Santiago,
Brother twenty twenty three, Paolo and Guardette.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, all right, so yeah, it's been around, been around
for a while. Well anyway, so I I you know,
I can see E. CW at that time looking at
Lallapalooza and going, oh, we need that, we can do
something with that.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
How about right, I don't know how much cultural cachet
Palooza has in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Oh well, we're bringing it back.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah. So anyway, the reason for the season in the
letter that I read to you after the breakup, that
we're reasoning that we're I've got a lot of hoopus
think on the brain these days.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Okay, Oh man, I.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Just I happened. I was looking at something I happened
I somehow or other ended up in the has Fallen
Wikipedia pages, and then I read that there was a
television show and I was like, Oh, this is French
and English. Oh, it looks like it has two olive
skinned people of other ethnicities besides white. Oh it's on Hulu.
(14:04):
Oh I bet nobody in North America knows what this
is or has ever seen it. And if there's one
person I can count on to to take my hand
and walk over.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
The obscurity bridge.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's Jesse Starcher. So I thought why not? Like I
will tell you this years and years ago, when Shawn
and I were doing on trial, I went out of
my way to find the worst possible movie we could
we could review, just to see if I could defend
a zero on Rotten Tomatoes. We landed on uh no, yeah,
(14:42):
oh yeah, Okay, what a challenge that was.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I kind of had a similar thought with this. I
didn't look and see what it was or how well
it did. I really went into this cold. But I thought,
if I'm going to take a flyer on something really obscure,
and I assumed, because I had never heard of it,
it was European, it was has fallen, it was going
to be goofy as fuck. I was like, okay, well,
(15:08):
I'm not going to subject anyone else to this, but
you I like the torture, and you let me torture you.
That's our relationship. I want it. So that's how we
ended up on Paris has Fallen, And I had to
tell you I really liked this series. Okay, I'm starting
to think I just don't like my country and the
art that it produces. Because thisess I liked this, I
don't have. I mean, like, you're right, is this going
(15:30):
to generate the kind of you know, or villian discussions
that we have, you know, or a black mirror? No?
But was I riveted by what I was watching? Yeah?
I wish I had had more time and energy to
dedicate to it and it alone. I had to watch
it somewhat distracted, but I got through it. Like literally
(15:52):
the last episode I watched as I was watching Clash
in Paris and to girl friends like come over dinner,
and I'm like, ah, one more episode of TV to watch?
She like ran out the door. So it's like, I
have it on, I've got I've got the the titles
on the pay per view want I'm on TikTok live.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I was a little distracted, I understand, but.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, I actually really like this. Two or three episodes
into it, I was like, wow, this is I think
you had said to me, like, this reminds me of
twenty four and I've never seen twenty four, but so
I couldn't tell you. I know there's a line from
from American Dad that they like Binge the entire series.
He was like, that is riveting television. But yeah, this
(16:36):
is fucking this is brave and intense. Like I understand
some people's opinion of it was the gets silly at times.
Maybe if I pay closer attention, I had seen the silliness,
but for the most part it kind of reminded me
of the dirty and grittiness of a lot of the
(16:58):
FX TV series.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Okay, like Shield and yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
This would have I compared this when I because I
ran over my notes with Fancy and my thoughts on it,
and I think this kind of reminds me of the
Shield and Justified mhm. Where this is intense, this is
morally gray at times. These characters are complex and vulnerable
and sympathetic, but also not morally clean. The villain is
(17:31):
sympathetic in his own way, even though he's a real bastard.
I'm like, I I found myself enjoying this a lot
more than I thought I never would.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, I mean, I get it. I didn't know what
to expect here it was. I remember putting it on
and I was like, Okay, Mandy, let's let's see what
see how this is because you know, first episode, I'm
going to figure out if I watch it by myself
where I have to or you know, if she's going
to be enjoying it.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And they'll put the pins in my bood at.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
All, you'll be feeling something, I'm sure later.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So right up, right off the gate, we're starting with subtitles,
and I was like, oh man, you know, I might
have already lost Mandy to this, but she stuck through
it because it's not all. And that's what I was worried.
I thought I was gonna be taking place in France.
We're going to get all sorts.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Of At what point did she look at you like,
what is with your friend in his obsession with everything French?
Is he French?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Also?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Isn't he also the weird perfect guy? Is that a
French thing? Jesse answer?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I was like, wait, oh okay, you can let's see. Yeah,
she but the action kept us in and of course
you know, there's there's definitely a lot in the English
dialect here, so it kind of you know, we're obviously
in France, you're going to get a lot of subtitles
in regards to the French, but they balance that out
well enough to keep you invested in the action and
(18:57):
not completely turn away people who are abhorrent to subtitles.
So with that being said, as far as my you know,
overall thoughts on it, I yeah, I definitely likened it
to twenty four because that was the feel. You have
this one villain who is wreaking havoc that season, and
each episode is them trying to get closer and closer
(19:19):
to track down and stop whatever plot this villain has
so very, very reminiscent of twenty four.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Did you watch twenty four when it was on? Because
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I can't say that I did well it was on,
but I can tell you that I got DVDs like
after the first or second season, I think dropped from
the library. And yeah, keep her Sutherland. Those first like
two seasons, two or three seasons of twenty four are
really good. I think it went to like seven, maybe
it went more than that, but.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean, I tell you right now, I'm not reviewing
them with you.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Okay, that's fine. I love the concept of it. It's
it's great because you know, it's one hour of a
show and he does all this stuff in one hour,
and you're following all these plot lines, which is fine.
It's a great concept. That's kind of you know, you
don't have that time frame here until the very last episode.
But but regardless, you know, it's them getting closer each
(20:11):
episode and trying to unravel more of what's going on,
and they pull that off fine, well enough to keep
you invested throughout the season. I think here for Paris
has fallen Comparing it to the movies, I think, Andy,
you got obviously, you've got eight hours of television here
(20:32):
and then you got a two hour movie. Maybe a
little more than two hours. Uh, but yeah, the as
far as if you were going to compare action and like,
I think one of the big things that the Paris
or excuse me, that the other has Fallen movies has
over this is like fight choreography. There's some that are
that's happening in this but it seems like, you know,
(20:53):
Gerard Butler is kicking serious ass and all sorts of
gun play.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Butler John wicks his way yeah through terrorists while he
tries to bodyguard Morgan Freeman. Right right, right right, that's
the hands voluntaries. It's not complicated. That's not this.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
No, no, this is a police procedural.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This is a this this is kind of like this
is a season of like International like the Shield, Okay, no,
this is this is I was gonna say the Wire,
but it's not.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
But I've done that twenty times, so I don't want
to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I've lost whatever audience we had. But it's well,
the Wire had something to say about social issues. This
doesn't really this. I think this has an opinion about
foreign wars and how we treat our soldiers. But that's
about it. But it's not like the Shield had nothing
to say that. She had had plenty to say, so
(22:02):
it justified. So I feel like, like I said, you
could have convinced me that Paris has fallen was like
a Ryan Murphy show or something, and it was right there,
right there in the.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Middle of the Shield and justified.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
This was one season dedicated to bringing down this one villain,
and it's these two cops basically that are coming from
different areas, and they don't like each other and they
don't get along at first, and they have to learn
to work together and to bring down the common enemy
that's not has Fallen though, Like I honestly my biggest
(22:36):
complaint about this show is that this has Fallen in
name only.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, the about the closest you can also. I mean
there's something dealing with the president. You know, we got
the President of France that doesn't come until much later.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
He starts off with like he's bodyguarding the foreign minister,
who fucking dies. I think what the second episode.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I might even be the first, Like I think her first.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
One set in the Has Fallen universe, because everything's a
fucking universe now. A disillusioned former French Foreign Legion soldier
wanted a revenge attack against the French government. So you
have two fixed Jalob who plays Vincent Teleeb and he's
a Protection Service bodyguard and former soldier. And then he's
(23:24):
partnered with richu Aria who is Zara Taylor and she's
an I six agent stationed in Paris working with the
French authorities. And then the bad guy is Sean Harris,
and then nobody fucking the rest of this doesn't even matter.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, come on the president.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
We have Juliette Levesque, the president there, who is played
by Emmanuel Burke Cooe I believe is her name or Burcott.
She's a kind of a big deal.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
In this third from the list on the cast list,
third from the bottom.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Third from the bottom. Yes, I mean she, you're right,
she does kind of well. She shows up in those
first episodes. You don't start to realize the relationship that
she has with Vincent until probably everybody ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Alu plays the Swedish mercenary who's with Sean Harris.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Oh, this is a frea yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah. Camille Rutherford is the well, let's be in love
interest of Zara off when she realizes that you know
that she's a dangerous and my six agent.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Kissed me off when she yeah, go ahead, ahead of
ahead of her.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Also is m who plays the d G s I
head of counter terrorism. Third from the bottom. Jesse's not
that important.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
She's the got well, she is the person that like
shoots Sean at the Sean, well, Sean, let's try a
pierce at the end that granted, you know the whole
plot revolves around her. It's That's why it's a f
has fallen movie because the president is in danger of
(25:00):
some sort. What is he doing? Is he oh I'm
reaching okay, all right, all right, well okay, so anyway.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
So yeah, so basically this opens up with he's guarding
I think, like the French.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Foreign it's the defense Minister of Defense.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, and they are they're able to thwart that particular
terrorist attack. But then he ends up getting to him anyway,
and then it's like then it's a kind of a
horror movie. Like Sean Harris's character is basically just like
working through a hit list of people he thinks wrong him.
So the story basically is he was a foreign legionnaire.
(25:44):
They sent him into the Middle East during the War
on Terror. He gets captured by the Taliban. They presume
he's dead and he is left to rot. I Well,
what he says is I was tor and raped and
I eventually escaped, and you should have came and gotten
me instead of leaving me there. I now I now
(26:07):
see the French government as illegitimate, just like cool, less
to smooth than the wire seize the institution as illegitimate
and therefore not not worthy of his obedience. And so
now he's like, I'm gonna kill all of you because
you've proved to me that you don't deserve your positions. Well,
(26:31):
that's where we are with the show.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I was gonna say, hold on, we've you've skipped a
couple very very important parts the federal or the government
that's about to say federalment. The government decided that I
think they made a decision that he went rogue, all right,
and they were like, oh, because he's gone rogue, we
(26:53):
have to kill him. And what end? They let's try
it again. They end up betraying him to the Taliban.
So he finds out that the government are the ones
that gave him to the Taliban. Yeah, and so he
is tortured, torture, tortured. He escapes and then he you know,
(27:15):
he gets involved with h oh I can't remember her name, Amena,
I think, and her she takes him in after he's like,
I mean covered in burns, he's and he's recovering, and
I think like within a few weeks he's really He
falls in love with her and he realizes that she
doesn't like she doesn't leave him after looking him over,
(27:36):
and she decides to take care of him, so they
you know, they start to become a love interest, and
then the president decides to try to kill him by
pulling a bomb and in the car, and unfortunately Amina
gets in there with her three kids and get blown
up right in front of him instead of him getting killed.
So that's where he's like, Okay, you guys are going
(27:58):
to pay for what you did to the one woman.
That actually basic, dude, you can take parallels to a
lot of action films and go okay, because one of
my notes here is like by.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Episode specifically Rambo part two, episode three, or we're gonna
take pictures Rambo, No, how about I rescue all the
po ws? Well, okay, but we're not going to rescue you.
Then you can sit there and die.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yep. I think it was like episode three or four.
I was like, you know, this is die Hard too.
What was I was like, wait a second, is there
something I'm missing? Like every episode is like an allusion
to a previous action film, which would have been awesome,
but not the case.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
At some point they talked to this, you know, a
character who's playing this world's version of the architect.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
We just love that there's an idea start doing that
make people like try to figure out what action movie
they are aping in that episode, because.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
The finale is he's he's guarding a home, but he's
guarding it with like you know, elementary traps.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Oh man, I would love it. I would love it.
But anyway, I feel like as far as characters go,
that really stand out to me and performances go as well.
In this show, Sean Harris's Jacob Pears was Yeah, I
mean one of the best villains. Yeah, he was like
a really well played villain. And he also was you
(29:27):
said sympathetic. I agree. I felt for this guy. Like
there was a point where he's going and he's picking
these dudes off because they were all part of this
plot to leave him there and also kill his his
girl and their family. And I mean he's killing them
in some pretty I love the one that he catches
(29:48):
and the guy pays him the money and then he
takes them and like and.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Like the joker. Yes, yes, he's just like sitting on
top of the catch and he's like, I'm doing this
as a message. I can't be bought.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I can't be Oh my throws a lighter in there
and burns this dude on the steps of some monument
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Hey, another reference. I don't know if you've had enough
yet in the last five minutes. This this literally is
the Dark Knight. That line by Michael Caine, like, some
men can't be bought. They just want to watch watch
the world. That's this guy without being like a you know,
a crazy fucking psycho in a clown suit. He's just like, no,
I'm not interested in money. I'm not interested in Rake compends,
(30:31):
I'm interested in revenge and I'm interested but more than that,
he's interested in delegitimizing this government. It's a very like
I think if more like lefty anti government people were
also a little bit more tolerant of the action genre
and lost the words toxic masculinity from their vocabulary, I
(30:55):
actually think they would enjoy this show because really the
message of this show is governments can't be trusted. M
that you know, that self determination is best left to
the people and self government and governance is best left
to the people because institutions are inherently corrupt. That's the
message of this show. And it's funny because the cops
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in it are kind of having to navigate this system
like they just want to bring down the bad guys, right,
they are motivated by service, they are impeded upon by
their kind of sympathy to his point of view, but
they're not so far gone or so also having been
so betrayed by the government that that they're completely lost,
Like they're very much as duty bound, but they also
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see the flaws with the government and are sometimes throughout
the show kind of victims of it. You know, like
there's a couple there's a couple of different times they
kind of bash heads with the powers that be and
they're having to like work around that, and you know,
and then enough stuff changes that it doesn't really matter anymore.
But they they definitely seem like, given enough losses, they
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could take Sean Harris's point of view.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah. Yeah, I throughout the season, I was kind of
like keeping I was checking boxes on the villainy of
Jacob Pierce here, like, Okay, what what lines is he crossing?
Because you know, burning the one dude with the money. Yeah,
that's a little over the top, but I mean, hey,
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he's getting his vengeance.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't I don't. I don't begrute him his performance art.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, right, And then there are a couple other there were.
Essentially he was trying to take these guys out, and
you know, and I think the first guy he ends
up kidnapping his daughter. I was like, oh, maybe that's
a line. But he let the he let the daughter go,
so there's kind of like the sense of honor with him.
And then I think there was a point where one person's.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
He's more honorable than the Mexican drug lord traffickers from
fucking the last Rambo movie. This guy is like, I
have a I have a.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, right right, And in order to save I think
his his the one daughter that lives. I think her
name is Essen. Anyway, he gives himself up, which I
did not see coming. That happens I think in episode
six or seven, where.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
In that scene like come on, you pussy motherfucker getting
a helicopter, helicopter theitch What I am kind to her?
Her life is important. I am nothing and she is
everything and her life is more important than mine. Phrase
like what are we doing here? Did we? I? I
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was here for the cause? What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Did we mention that there is a nuclear bomb in Paris?
Did we say that in the synopsis? I can't remember,
but at some point we have a bomb.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Really, this is really thin. Yeah, about halfway through this
becomes this stop. Like I said, so when when Alexis
and I reviewed I Know You Did Last Summer, the
thing that we said about it is this is yet
another show where this is it is the intellectual property.
It's being called in name only. And one of the
things that I said was, this feels like this was
(34:10):
a This was a Actually it feels like this was
a movie. And Amazon was like, we will give you
money for this, but make it a show because we
want people to spend ten hours on our app, and
also linked to something we already have, like copyrights for okay,
And so it got jury rigged, reverse engineered, ass backwards
(34:30):
into the I Know what you Did last Summer canon.
It has as much to do with I Know what
you did last summer as you do. So I kind
of have a feeling that was the same thing with
this show. Weird, This is a This was actually about
a soldier taking revenge on the French government and his
whole thing is I've hidden You've talked about Diehard, I've
(34:53):
hidden the bomb. Diehard three, Diehart three, I've hidden a
bomb somewhere in Paris Nanny Andy fufu ha ha, come get.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Me no riddles. There just wasn't any riddles here, which
you know, we didn't have simple Simon giving giving us
any riddles or anything.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Right, and then and again, you know, saying well, what's
our hook? How do we get people to watch this?
We can't call this, you know, a frenchie dirty bomb show.
We have to we have to call.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I am curious as to what titles were kind of
bandied about before they landed on what.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
You know, it was Frenchy dirty bomb, dirty frenchie bombs.
Oh why do you doubt me? Jesse?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Wait wait, wait, you go ahead and keep talking. I'm
going to Google Translate so we can find that what
frenchy dirty bomb sounds like in French.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh good, so, according to production again, the wiki on
this is a bit thin. The eight part series is
written by Howard Over, been produced by Studio Kanal, Urban
Myth Films and Millennium Media and g Based, two companies
that produced the has Fallen film Fantasy. Okay, I I
have a sneaky I still feel like they had a
script and they got the script and they were like
(36:06):
I would almost guarantee that they had a script that
was something else, and they were like, well, we have
we have has fallen. Let's rewrite this so that it's
part of the has fallen the world. But I don't
believe it began its infancy as that. That's my that's
my idea at least in any case. Let me talk
about a couple. We're about halfway through the review here.
(36:27):
Let me talk about some things I really liked about this.
We've talked about Sean Harris a lot. He's the best
part of this show. He is one of the best
TV villains I've seen in quite some time. He is composed,
he is vicious. This show is very brave, again, very European.
It doesn't have kind of Americans kind of pussy sensibilities
(36:49):
to it, Like it's the actions kind of brutal, like
there are you can hear like bone snapping at times.
You know, like there's some real crunch to this show.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Oh yeah, I think our first in our first episode,
there's you know, a fight that breaks out because Pearce
has made himself known there at that party, and there
is a mind that gets a stiletto right in his eye.
Yes not good.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Well that that brings me to Aria, what's her name again?
Read too Aria? What I like about her, because I'm very,
very sensitive to this right now, which is how you
present women in action set pieces. Now you notice I'm
not saying you shouldn't have had her. Actually, I think
she's brilliant in this. I really liked her in this.
I think she's I think she plays off the other
(37:38):
lead really really well. But what this show does well
that a lot of American Hollywood bullshit does wrong is
she's not superwoman. She's not a Mary Sue. She's not
morally superior to everyone around her. She's driven, she but
she's you know, you have to get into her home life,
(38:01):
which I think the show normally this is the sort
of thing where I'm just like, oh, this is the
boring part of the show. But actually it's one of
the few things that gives her any depth, is that
she's in this relationship where she has to hide her
identity from her because she doesn't want her to scare
the fuck out of her. And then the woman finds
out about it and she's like, why would you lie
to me? He's like, Okay, well I won't lie to
you anymore, and then like all like you know all
(38:23):
good women. You know, I understand that I asked you
to tell me the truth and so you did. But
now I don't like that either. I can't fucking win here.
But I think that's great, Like it really gave her
character some depth, you know, Like there's a point where
they're talking about his relationship with President because they have
a love affair going on, and she's like, this kind
(38:48):
of morally compromises you. This is not good. He was like,
I agree with you, this is brilliant, by the way,
it's brilliant fucking writing in the year of Warler twenty
twenty five, or a man just like, uh huh, everything
you're saying is correct, can't And she's like, you're not
gonna change, are you, No, not even a little, Like
it just sort of looks out the window. All right,
(39:10):
you're a fucking asshole or something like that. You know,
fuck you, Vincent, And that's it. That's the end of
the conversation. And I'm like, Wow, if this had been
in if this had been in America, if this had
been like an American character, she'd have been nagging him
the whole time and he'd have been apologizing the whole time. Yeah,
And instead he's like, I'm a guy, I have a penist,
she's a girl, she has a vagina. I just happened
(39:31):
to be a protection agent and she's the president. We'll
figure it out. It's complicated, it's complicated, and and she's
just like, it doesn't have to be, though, why don't
you try doing the right thing? And he was like eh,
which I feel like is the reaction most people have
to being called out on their bullshit.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
True.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Like, it's like, it's one of the better scenes in
the whole show is that little interaction between them. But
it really showed her as being somebody who she's capable
but not invincible. Yeah, she's not a lot of the
like a lot of the Girl bloss characters like you know, again,
we're all real sensitive that sort of thing. Now, dude,
(40:12):
she gets your fucking ass beat through most of this show.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I mean
to kind of support what you're talking about there. She's
definitely not in vulnerable when she gets into some of
these fights with these men, these grown men that like whip.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
This, she barely gets out of that, right, right.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
That was that was the one thing because I mean
he picked her up, punched her a few times, and
I mean it's not like she's just like shrugging it off.
She's definitely walking out of this stuff limping and bruised
and barely.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
All the credit to like the costume and make up people.
They bloody her up good.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, there's a couple of scenes where she gets into
fights were after she looked like a fucking domestic violent victim.
They beat the shit at her and like she's a
champ man. She fucking took it. But you know she
like you're talking about the bit with the stiletto heel,
like that's all like her. She she was she was
overpowered by a big, burly man and she just shifted
her weight just enough that he fell on it. Yeah,
(41:08):
there's a point where she takes a fucking like a spinebuster.
She took a legit ron sim it's damn spinebuster and
whits out. Baby, she fucking woke up and didn't know
what year it was. Our math, Yeah, yep, it's good ship.
(41:28):
But like so, like I said, they gave her a
lot of agency, They gave her a lot of like
toughness and a lot of intelligence, but they also made
her morally questionable and they didn't make her a nag,
which I thought was great. And now by comparison, they
have two thick Jalab who plays Vincent Teleeb and he's capable.
(41:52):
He's just a different kind of press Like it's weird.
It's like we can either have Superman or Adam Devine
as if there's nothing in the middle, and he's in
the middle. He is squarely in the middle. He is
a trained ass kicking, serious fellow who's just kind of like,
(42:13):
I'm here, I have a job. This is the whole
world to me. I love a girl. I'm not moved
by any of this, but i have a job to
do and I'm gonna go do that. Like like he's
flatten all the best ways, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, And I think we get to
see at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
You know, hang on a second, because I got called
out on this on TikTok. If you want a relatable
male character, you don't have to have him be a
complete fop like fucking Jack Waite and Nova Kane. Go
for this. Go for this guy, because everyone's just like, oh,
Superman steroids. You know, we like relatable people. We like
people that look like us. Okay, this guy, this guy
(42:54):
is closer to that than fucking Jackquaite is Like why
why is our choices shouldn't be either Stallone or Schwarzenegro
or Jack quayeon Adam divine. There's there's a middle ground, right,
This guy is the middle ground all right now?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I was just gonna say, I mean, at the beginning,
we could see that he's doing his protection of the
defense minister, and he gets saved I think by Zara.
Doesn't he like in that what happens? Like he is
he is just about to die and she comes in
and she saves him in the kitchen, saves him in
the kitchen, almost shoot him. Yeah, right, Uh So, you
(43:34):
know he has his moments where you know, he's just
like you said, he's he's he's in the middle ground.
He's just trying to he's trying to figure out what's
going on. He is also trying to deal with Zara
plays more of the oh my goodness, what's the best
way to describe her personality? She's she seems like she
(43:54):
has she's not hot headed, but she makes decisions.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
He gets her out on that. She's reckless, reckless.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
That's yeah, that's probably the best way to put it. Specifically,
that moment where they have pierced on the roof and
she's got and she decides to go. You know, well, hey,
look I'll put a bullet in this girl's head.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
What a great example of what I'm talking about. I
actually forgot about that, and you mention it. She fucking leaps.
She goes to leaping because she's a fucking girl. She
doesn't make the leaf that she die made and hits
the roof and doesn't quite make it, and then she
tries to get up on the roof anyway could punch
squad on the mush.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
And luckily she doesn't die.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
By yeah, you're lush. She walks off the roof and
like her shoe gets caught, so so the camera cuts
and she's just hanging there like fucking Pinocchio.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Well, I feel it's a bit embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I love that because again, you don't get that kind
of like physical female vulnerability in America, right, and you
got it here. It was very comical.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, So you know, watching these two, they had decent
chemistry I thought too as well. I think as far
as working together and you know, they were pointing each other,
pointing out each other's flaws, and also trying to figure
out how to work together, because our first episode brings
them together, and then throughout the rest of the season
you're watching them try to, uh, number one work as
(45:19):
a team and number two, you know, kind of kind
of help each other through some of their personal stuff
that's going on, although they don't really step too much
into each other's stuff. I think, you know, at one point,
she goes to pick up thea who is high, I mean,
she's an addict, and you know, he kind of just like,
she goes, are you going to report me? And he's like, no,
(45:40):
I'm not. You know, I'm not gonna do anything. I'm
not gonna You've got your own stuff. He's these are
two people that realize they have their own stuff and
they don't need to be in each other's business.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, there's not too much American television involves like lecturing
and nagging and gesticulating, and there's none of that in
this show. This as silly as this show is, and
it gets silly at times, like there's stuff, First of all,
Sean Sean Harris would have when they finally caught him
and they finally had him cornered. They didn't he hadn't
(46:12):
never seen the light of day again. He'd have been
like the Hulk, like just in an underground fucking bunker,
never to be heard from again. There's no way he's
fucking getting out right right, you know. And there was
so many there was so many convenient moles, you know,
giving information.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
We were watching the one guy who gets accused and
they bring him in there interrogating them, and they're sitting
there watching them, and here comes this one girl. I
don't think we ever saw any of the other episodes.
And she comes in and says something about, oh, hey,
so and so is in there getting interrogated, and I'm like,
that chick's involved. I knew immediately as soon as she
walked in and said something. I'm like, what's why is
(46:51):
she coming in here? And all of a sudden, now
we know about who Simone is and I'm like, yeah,
she's going to be a big player. I bet she's
the one. And sure enough I was right.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
It was.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I hate to say, but I feel like it was,
you know, a bit predictable, and you've formulated sometimes you.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Were you weren't on the review when I went fucking
off on this the second to twenty eight weeks later
where but.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Oh yeah, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
They have the mom, and the mom is immune to
the zombies, but she had but she's infected. Yeah, so
they know that they can get curious from her blood.
And she's left completely unguarded and the idiot husband bumble
focks his way into her room and of course she
bites him or whatever the bullshit that was. And I'm
(47:43):
screaming at Robert There's no fucking way he'd have gotten
that closed door. No, they'd had guard They're like, well,
they weren't that many people. I'm like, well, what people
they had would have been guarding her, Like this is
horse shit.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
That that was like the only part of this where
I was like when he when he got out, that's
that second time, you know. And we get into the
last arc of the movie of the show, we just
focuses on the President and I'm like, there's no fucking
way he does see the light to get digg And
they just sent him one to do the French version
of One Bay. Yeah, they sent him to they just
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sent him to Locke Bay.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
They're obviously not too worried about trying to kill their operatives.
So I don't even know if this dude would have
made it out there alive, because you're.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Really they shot through some of the soldiers to get
to him.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
That's just not there.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Are French in life. It doesn't mean it's nothing. Okay, Yeah,
what else you got because I I'm I don't think, uh,
because one we're getting on an hour and I don't
want to labor.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
The Yeah, yeah, sure, I mean I think the action.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
And the fightings are really really good. And I think
the way that they have our main characters operating through
the fightings where you can be led to believe at
any given time they're gonna and they're gonna get killed
or or get their ass kicked. Like again, this isn't
fucking John Wick where he can fight an army of
people in hand to hand combat.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, And I wonder if some people thought that that's
what they were going to get with this, which is
kind of.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Movies exactly.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
So I, you know, I can't really fault somebody for
going into this thinking that, oh good, we're going to
get it. We're going to get eight episodes of John
Wick and you're not. You're going to get more about
military espionage, You're going to get more about police procedural,
You're going to get to learn a lot about you know.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
It's just what did you like the fact that there
was a TV show this is essentially an eight hour movie.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I mean it, it didn't bother me that bad. I
mean I I went into this thinking, Okay, they're going
to pull the there. Obviously I was. I was swerved
because we didn't get John Wick, you know, every episode,
So I mean to bother me after getting past the
first episode, I think what saves it is Sean Harris.
(50:07):
In my opinion, I think because they have a very
capable actor doing a very good villain. It's it's going
to be tough to go to top this.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Really.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I think next season you're not going to really be
able to have a villain anything like this, because you're
going to feel like, you know, people are going to
say you're aping that previous season and you can't do it.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
So I get a little itchy about the eight hour
movie thing now one because I think it's cynical and
intellectually dishonest, like stuff that's getting stretched out into series
that are really meant to be movies because of the
way streaming works, and I don't love that. And I
feel like this was a solid two hour movie. And
(50:51):
the only reason why I'm willing to kind of go
along with the eight hour movie thing is they didn't
fill it with action nonsense. They filled it with character death.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah. I was gonna say, that's really a lot of
kind of what you get there isn't like it isn't excessive. Yeah,
as much as you'd think it would be, it's not
really excessive. I think more you learn more about Zara's
relationship with THEA and and of course Vincent's relationship with
the president. But uh, you know, you you they they
(51:25):
fill it a little bit more with I think my
personal opinion, they were like, okay, yeah, two hour movie,
but let's let's make it. There's a chase. Okay, we
got to chase this guy down. What's our next episode
going to be about? Oh, okay, this is where he's
going to make the bomb? All right, Well, how do
they do that? They got to get the uranium. How
(51:47):
do they get the uranium? They hijack a flight. All right,
there's our episode. They're going to hijack a flight so
I feel like that was more along the lines of
what they were doing is just giving us a to
b let's put you know, let's make be actually you know,
Jay or something, and then we'll put some stuff in
between and just really kind of expand on it. The
(52:09):
payoff with THEA and Zara. I know, I okay, I
feel for Zara. Number one, she loves this girl, but
you know, you're you're sitting there like this is not
a healthy relationship. Number one, THEA is an addict. Very real,
(52:30):
we'll just put it that way. It's not healthy, but
it's very real. There are situations where okay, yeah, your
significant other, it's going to be you know, that happens
out there in the world. Well, you know, Zara is
pretty unique. She doesn't really want to add to this
girl's problems, so she's kind of keeping everything secret. And
then at the end, I think that's one of the
(52:50):
biggest tragic moments of this whole this whole show is
when THEA leaves Zara because Zara decided to take the
shot and try to save I don't know, one hundred
thousand people or something.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
I want to read this to you read I made
the assertion this feels like the original script was a
movie that was reverse engineered into the Has Fallen universe
and then stretched out through a streaming series. Okay, Fancy says,
it's actually a smart assertion, and you're not the only
one who's picked up on it. From what's been reported.
(53:26):
Paris Has Fallen was pitched as the first of several
international spinoffs Paris, Mexico, Berlin. The idea was always to
expand the Has Fallen universe, but it wasn't locked to
anyone character or a script or a film script. That
left room to retrofit existing thriller ideas into the franchise skin.
Howard Overman of Misfits fame as we All Know and
(53:48):
War of the World, is a TV guy, not a
film franchise writer. His involvement supports the reverse engineering feel.
He built it with specific episodic arcs, but you can
sense the bones of a two hour feature stretched into
eight episodes. Several reviewers said it plays like a long
movie chopped into eight parts. That's why it feels cinematic instructure,
(54:08):
but still pays for streaming. Slow reveals, mid season betrayal,
big climax in episode eight, So your read is dead on.
It didn't likely begin as a true Has Fallen script.
It feels more like a euro thriller pitch Spy plus
Bodyguard plus Scarred Vet that Millennium Media and Butler's g
base folded into the brand once they decided to launch
TV spinoffs.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
What is our We're coming back with the season two?
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Right, yes, from what I remember I was. On March
twenty eighth, it was announced a second season, continuing with
the same actors. Apollo Has Fallen was in uh in
production and there's actually a Compedia page for it. Apollo
Has Fallen. It's an upcoming action thriller TV series, part
(54:55):
of the House Fallen franchise, in a sequel to Paris
Has Fallen. Returning cast members includes our two leads here
and hijacking causes Europe to be threatened by a deadly virus.
Oh fuck me, it's twenty eight weeks later.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
Oh my goodness, it feels like twenty four seasons something
rather because that happened.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh god, it all it all ends up. Good grief.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
What is a is Apollo the name of because you
know we're breaking rank if that's not the name of
a city, So that's got to be the name.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
No, Olympus was the first one.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
Oh, olymp Olympus, you're right, You're right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Olympus has so you know, where's my daughter? Who's into
the fucking Greek gods and ship. Olympus has fallen, and
now Apollo has fallen. Next week is gonna be fucking
Jupiter has fallen, and then it descends, Jupiter ascending.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
This trilogy makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Then it's gonna and then it's gonna end with Jupiter's legacy.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
What what the hell?
Speaker 4 (55:53):
None of those?
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Oh all right, where's your fucking list?
Speaker 3 (55:59):
There we go, get ready, because I've got my notes,
episode by episode, my favorite the things I picked out.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Jesse pays a lot more attention to the TV show
than I did.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Episode one. My highlight of my notes are I knew
I didn't trust that Mime.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Can be trusted.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
No, they cannot. Episode two we kind of already talked
about where Mulin I think it's his name, or Mulin
gets burned with all his money that he pays Pierce.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
I believe his name is Mulan.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
That's right, he gets burnt with all his money right
there on. That was a that was a great moment.
He's like, uh we Episode three is where we meet Beatrice,
who was one of the ones that orchestrated or helped
orchestrate the bombing the car bombing. And the big moment
really I had down here was that at the end
(56:54):
when Beatrice gives Pierce the president's name, which is like,
dun it was the precedent of France that ordered to hit.
Episode four, this is my Diehard too moment. Pierce is
shutting down all the flight transponders and I was like,
wait a second, that didn't exactly happen and die Hard too,
but there was definitely a plane involved, and I remember
(57:15):
them messing with the airport. And then that's where I
was like, man, it would be great to have a
show that kind of paid homage to eighties and nineties
action flicks by every episode having some kind of a
some kind of a villain that just uses that maybe.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Our hero has to go to Thailand and enter a
kickboxing tournament.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
Oh oh my gosh, come on. And people were sitting
there going like, what what's the next episode going to be?
It's good for at least three seasons.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Oh yeah, okay, so many where he's on like a
weird game show where he gets chased by like, you know,
pro wrestlers with chainsaws.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Eight episodes each season. Trust me, you gotta hit on
your hands. Episode five that's where Zara takes Essen I
think is her name, hostage to get pierced to give up,
which a lot of people had problems with that. I
thought it was kind of brilliant. I liked how Pierce
is like, okay, yeah, because it shows that his love
for Amina and Lessen.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
He's still being He's not a video game boss.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yeah, he wants the whole purpose of him going through
this is to avenge what happened, and he doesn't want
anything else to happen and to uh, you know, Amina
and her kids. So Amena is already dead, but Essen, unfortunately,
she Essen does escape. Episode six. Oh my goodness. I
had a few of these, actually, I sent you a picture,
(58:38):
all right. But the first one is when they've got
pierced and they're interrogating him, and I mean, this dude's
covered in scars. At one point you see his back,
he's burned up and down his arms and there they
bring him into the interrogation room and Vincent Zar and
there and Vincent looks at him and goes, you want
you want a coffee or a sandwich, and Pierce looks
(59:02):
at him and says, the Taliban would burn me, and
you offer me coffee and a sale. It's like, you
ain't get shipped for me right now, I don't. I
don't even understand how you think you're going to get
anything out of me. They have him in a room.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
By the way, I've heard that before. That's that's I
don't want to go on fancy again, but that like
that line about you know I've heard that before. We're like,
you think you're being tough with me, but where I
come from, you know what it was? Damn it.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
It's from the Wire.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
It's from The Wire season two where they're questioning fucking
the Rushet and he's in heat and he was like,
in my country, I would be tortured. This is nothing.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
This is nothing.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
Prison to fucking prison to fucking spaw in America, priest or.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
Priest Pierce proceeds, that's what I was looking for. Pierce
proceeds to get up from the table and go sit
flat backed against the wall and puts his arms out
and he's like, you know, if I moved. When I
was in prison, they would burn me with a torch,
and he just sat there and you know, it was
like his meditation. It was again, make sure.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Reflect on the first Iron Man, doesn't it?
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
They're like, how how the fantasy is not that he
could build a suit of armor that he could wear
and then attack people with. The fantasy is that they
didn't torture him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
You just let him work in peace, right right?
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
The picture slash video I may have sent to you
was the subtitles were on on my TV while I'm watching.
Oh it's mandatory now, just because you got noise in
other rooms whatever you got kids, you probably understand.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yes, anyway, I understand.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
So as Pierce is sitting in his cell, you hear
the food door open. They're gonna give him his stuff,
and they call it on there the bean slot, which
I have never heard before in my entire life. Have
you ever heard the door that opens to put the
food into the cell? I called the bean slots, not.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
The bean slots, the food slot.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
It's the bean slot. According to this, another another piece
of evidence to tell you that this was not an
American show at all, that's the bean slot and episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I messed with the girls bean slot last night.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I don't know you found never mind. Episode six was
also where I doubled down on the absolute worst commercial
cuts in history. I have never ever sat through a
Hulu show that cut.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I don't pay I tell you. In its original airing,
this didn't have commercials.
Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Well, yeah, that that's gotta be what's going on? Yeah,
but what okay, when I pay Hulu to not do commercials,
do me a favor. Don't cut the show like in
the middle of where a commercial is supposed to be.
Maybe let it go. Every other show in the history
of UH I've seen pre.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Cut like that is my point. Like, wherever this originally
aired in Europe, I guarantee you had commercials like built
in and that and that. The file that they sent
to Hulu is is that with the commercial cuts, it's
so poorly done.
Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
It is they could have done something. It I mean,
because to express to the listeners what happened, You'll be
watching and all of the sudden, like I have problems
where the cuts were placed because it wasn't even like.
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
A podcast now on fucking spreaker.
Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Oh dude, that was going to be my joke and
almost my lead end to this was like, yeah, brought
to you by Spreaker, because that's what that felt like,
Like you're in the middle of something and then just
cut and then it goes to black for like seconds.
Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I listened like a kissing the car with my kids,
and it'd be like add another big jesse and there's like,
let me tell you about do you feel sad? My
fucking laughs every time stop it, Spreaker. But anyway, my
son things my podcast now work or two hour commercials
for like the.
Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Farmer Chumbu Casino is what I get.
Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
That's another one where he like the last time we
had a long drive somewhere and he had to hear
the chumbu um um, but Chumba, he must dove out
of the fucking car or he demanded I take him gambling.
Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
H Ryan Seacrest, Let's get him on the show. I
think he's the guy that's doing all these commercials anyway,
So yes, the way that this would work is like
right in the middle of something, it would cut and
it would go for like two seconds black screen and
then right back to it. Yeah, did not like it. No,
fade out. No, nothing like immediate cut in the music,
like it wasn't even like a dun dun dun and
(01:03:53):
then cut. No, it was like, hey, I mean I
cut and then back in the same music continues.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
You're like, what, Okay, have a still shot of the president?
Spin it or something? Please?
Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Episode seven?
Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
All right, punch.
Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
By the way, let's stop everything right now. I'm about
to share my screen. Okay, share screen, and I'm sharing
my audio on purpose here Okay, you ready hang on?
Here we go, Frinch, well.
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Album, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I'm about passed out.
Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Frinch.
Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
You're gonna need to save that for a future sessions
because I sent another dumb step coming on.
Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Oh the old frenchy dirty bomb.
Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
All right. I gave a girl a French dirty bomb
last night. I don't know?
Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
All right? Episode seven, moving on, two episodes left here.
Episode seven. The big revelation that I highlighted here was
Vincent is afraid of horses. Yes, they go about their fears,
and yes I'm afraid of horses. So episode eight, I'm
going to elaborate one more time that Zara and THEA.
(01:05:40):
THEA is at the end of the after she takes
the shot Zara takes the shot. Okay, so I guess
we got to lead up to this here real quick.
Pierce takes THEA hostage because he's trying to make sure
that he obviously gets the president. That kind of how
they do this. They give the President over but to
(01:06:03):
make sure that there is no shenanigans. He's got THEA
as hostage. Zara's love interest. Zara is on a roof
with a sniper rifle pointed, trying to get a good
shot at Piers, and she's caught in a quandary. Does
she take the shot to try and get Pierce or
does she not because it's THEA. She doesn't want to
(01:06:23):
hurt THEA, right, No, fuck that. Zara takes the shot
and like shoots, but she shoots like enough to like
skim her arm and I think she lands the shot,
I think into Piers.
Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
But hang on their conversation about that at the end
of the show. Yes, I don't want to be with
you anymore, like, but I did what you asked. I've
told you I was honest, Like you know, it's like
I don't want to have to think about you being
out there. Also, can we talk about how you shot me? Right,
and that's what the shit joke. That's a markism. She's legit, like,
(01:06:57):
you fucking shot me. There's no art, there's no counter
argument to the job is more important to you than
I am, because even if you say, but it's not,
I love you, I'm always going to land back on
the same problem you fucking shot me. I get it's
a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
I cannot. It drove me nuts that THEA could not
get past that, Like I, yes, yeah, did, I don't care. Okay, yeah,
the job is giving me to give me.
Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
If I shot you in the shoulder to get to
the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Okay. I think I'm aware also of what the problem
the issue is here. There's a bomb that they're trying
to stop from detonating that's going to kill them anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Okay, So everything I say at this point will get
me in trouble. So I will let you have that,
but I also kind of want to test your theory.
Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Oh okay, well, I'm just saying THEA, you know, she
was very selfishly was like, you know, okay, no, there's
no possibility of that we're gonna be able to work
this out. You shot me because the job was more important, No,
I think it wasn't the fact that the job was
more important. It was the fact that there was a
bomb that was going to kill everyone anyway. I want
(01:08:13):
to try to stop that from going on.
Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
He was like, like, you've got your confession. What else
do you want for Paris to not be livable for
twenty years? That's your legacy. It's like Jesus.
Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Christ, you need to get out of that relationship.
Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Z go.
Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Jesus, go ahead and eat your hot chili's with whatever
you're eating and leave. Please, I'm not done. To Harris,
I'm all right, there you go. There's my my hot
list for all eight episodes. I almost passed out with
the fancy bomb that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
We made.
Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
It. Okay, we have to have another we have to
have any impromptu sessions and make a French of dirty
bomb song. I love it. I love it, though I'd
expected that.
Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I will pass out.
Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Okay, well, I don't want you to do that on
the show. I might shoot you in the shoulder. You
to the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
What's the thing you want to do?
Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
All right tomorrow? So yeah, this is in conclusion, Paris
has fallen is better than it has any right to be.
It's it's obviously not perfect, but it When was the
last time you heard me say this many positive things
about any television show that isn't made by David Simon,
Like you know it was, I mean, like I it weirdly,
(01:09:25):
this isn't the kind of thing I normally watch anymore, so,
but I'm for for once I actually got to watch
a show that I really enjoyed that had action in drama, romance.
Like there was a lot going on with this show
that I can forgive its foibles. So if you're into
the kind of intense action drama that you've see in
(01:09:48):
America but you don't want it pussified, I would watch
Paris Has Fallen. I'll give you the last word.
Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Uh, if you like twenty four and you can't get
enough twenty four, Paris has or die Hard or there's
a lot of shots we could take and parallels you
can drawl. But I mean, if you're interested in, you know,
an international kind of like espionage, military procede role, then
(01:10:16):
this is worth a shot. It's eight episodes. It's not
really as you know, grinding as twenty two episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
If you're one of these people who just watches TV
with your significant other, or you know, by yourself and
you have like eight hours to kill. This is a
it depends, but Breezy eight hours. Serviceable stuff, yes, sir,
serviceable stuff. That's what. That's what. That's what we're.
Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Known for here written on my underwear.
Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Serviceable stuff. I'm not gonna make a joke about that.
How about that? All right? Tomorrow we are reviewing The
Toxic Avenger with Peter Dinklage. That's the remake of the
movies that we talked about last week.
Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
People are almost going to think that Peter d english
is going to be on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yeah. Wednesday, h Alesis is reviewing Twisted Metal season two. Uh,
and then Thursday, myself in Shape Tate will be reviewing
We'll be looking at Terry gilliam movies. We are doing
Time Bandits, The Adventures of Baron Munchausend, and Fear and
Loathing in Las Vegas. One of these things is not
(01:11:27):
like the other. One of these things dead. Last week,
you and I did not do a podcast because I
was watching Forbidden Door.
Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
I bet you was.
Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Well. I tried to, but all right, I tried to,
but she fucking left her id in another county. So anyway,
shut up Jesse. Then Monday we took a break from
damn you, Hollywood, but we looked at Joel schumacher movies,
Lost Boys, Falling Down an eight Millimeter. And Wednesday, myself
(01:12:04):
and Harry brought Hurst the Indie Siders. We looked at
Forbidden Door, we looked at Clash in Paris, and then
we are in our Indian rific. Spotlight was game change
of Wrestling versus Juggalow Championship Wrestling, the Two Day War.
And then Thursday we brought a new person into the cult.
Uh Dorian brought me another woman, because that's Orian's job.
(01:12:24):
Dorian's job is to traffic. Now he says men and women.
I feel like he's brought me more women than men,
don't you think, Pimp Dorian? That's right, he was pimped
the year anyway. So, uh, Dorian brought me another another
bitch to put in my stable. And her name is
Kat and she's very lovely and she was a big
(01:12:46):
Toxic Avenger fan. So she came on with Shay and
Sean Comer to talk the Toxic Avenger movie. So that
was a lot of fun. And she you know, all
you fucking lazy bitches in the group chats you don't
you don't nobody pick up their weight anymore? Oh not you,
You're fine, But everybody else, nobody picks up their weight.
This girl one show and she's like, I have another idea.
(01:13:07):
I have more ideas. Oh look out, I am a
girl with boobs and listen to me. And I said, okay,
well that's gonna be okay, good argument. That's a winning formula.
She's like, do you want to talk about the interview
with the Vampire Show? And I was like, you know what, sure,
you're you seem to enjoy that sort of thing and
are passionate about it. And I like talking about things
people are passionate about. And I don't hate the idea.
(01:13:28):
So when I think October, we're going to do the
interview with the Vampire TV.
Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Show, okay, and then next after that, when you guys
do what we do in the shadows, let me know.
Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Okay, if she pitches that, I'll let you know. Let
you fucking host it. That's what's going on with me.
What's going on with you? Wow?
Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Well, okay. Taking a look back at what has been
airing this past week, I clicked on the wrong calendar. Oh,
shut up. The twenty fifth of August on the Unspoken
Issues podcast that dropped was me doing a solo shot
talking about Ozzy Osbourne Ozzy Osbourne Number one from Rocket Comics,
(01:14:12):
which was an interesting imprint from Malibu, and the issue
was really I read it like a few days after
Ozzie had passed and the actual comic book came out
and I think ninety two or ninety three, and it
talks about maybe ninety four, but it talks about a
story that where Ozzie had a dream and they turned
(01:14:33):
this into a comic where he died, and it was really, Yeah,
it was very it was very eerie to kind of
read what happened in there. So anyway, I break down
Rocket Comics and I break down the issue as well,
the story that happens in the issue, So if you
want to check that out. I even got a nice
cool souno backing track. Oh it's good stuff. Good stuff,
(01:14:55):
have you mind?
Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
You got me on fucking backing tracks now and fancy
I recommended it.
Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Yeah, that's good stuff. And then previous to that and
tomorrow we are in the midst of Darth Vader Part one.
Last on the eighteenth of August and part two tomorrow, September. First,
you and Me talking Darth Vader on the Source Material
Comics podcast. Me and Avon Bevan's getting together talking Snap
Material happening this Wednesday, probably going to be airing later
(01:15:23):
this week. And also I want to give a shout
out to my Unspoken Issues project that I'm in the
middle Unspoken Issues nineties comics all the time. I'm in
the middle of getting things together to celebrate the thirtieth
anniversary of Black September. And Black September was an event
where Marvel had bought Malibu Comics and took the Ultraverse
(01:15:46):
and was going to put it in the Marvel universe.
There are a bunch of superheroes I got.
Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
It's like that time that the WWF bought.
Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
WCW. Well, very is very you know, very kind of
reminiscent of it. The problem and almost when you look
at it, Uh, what happened to w CW and ww
F you know w w F By's WCW and tries
to make it a brand itself. Right, Well, Marvel takes Malibu, uh,
(01:16:17):
and takes the Ultraverse and does something very similar. It's like, okay,
we're relaunching all these titles. Prime. I don't know if
you remember Prime. Do you remember ever Comics?
Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
You? Fine?
Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Okay, all right, well Prime was probably the biggest one
to come out of a big muscle bound guy p
on his chest, you know. And uh, anyway, it took
like five or six of these titles are.
Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Not completely different.
Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
He's on his chest, that's how he actually gets his powers.
Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
It's crazy, I give more. He's knelt down in the shower.
You better keep going.
Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Shower. Anyway, So they try to relaunch all this stuff
in like ninety five, and it fails within a year,
and you never see these souper heroes again. They are
part of the Marvel universe right now. If you if
you looked up something about Prime in the Marvel universe,
you would see that that is a character that Marvel
(01:17:08):
owns but does not publish.
Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
In the Shower.
Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Oh yes, as a matter of fact, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Be laughing about that for the next twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
That's good. I won't be on here. But anyway, I'm
doing I'm doing some solo shots. Me and Chris Armstrong
are getting together talking about Black September and some of
the stuff that resulted from it, and so it's a
it's a neat project. I really hope you get a
chance to listen to it if you want to learn
about some Congic book history and what happened back then.
(01:17:39):
Thirty year anniversary this September happened in nineteen ninety five,
September ninety five, So check that out. It's a lot
of fun. I'm done talking now. I want to appeal
on my.
Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Chest, all right, So the next time get I didn't
know you and then you were into that sort of thing.
But I'm very intrigued. That's your own fault, don't you
you get mad at me?
Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Won't you get mad at me?
Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
All right? Jesse, will be back next Sunday. What are
you doing at six o'clock? What is this eminem fear
with Billy d Evan?
Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Billy d and Evan with magazines and monsters? Brother, you've
been on there?
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Oh okay? Are you gonna be available at nine o'clock?
Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yes? I told them specifically that as long as I'm
out of there by nine, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Okay, Well, then you'll be back a week from tonight.
We'll be doing a triple feature. Oh, Jesse, have you
figured out this last movie yet because I told you
about this Love Me, Love Me. So okay, these are
a triple feature of recent animated features. So we have Predator,
Killer of Killers, The Witcher, Sirens of the Deep. These
both came out earlier this year, more one more recently
(01:18:42):
than the other on streaming. And then finally, I've been
wanting to talk about this all year. I when I
realized it was at least partially animated, I'm like, it fits,
it fits well enough, it fits, it fits. Oh, it fits,
it fits. So we'll be talking. Love Me the Romance,
(01:19:04):
where Christian Stewart plays a booie who falls in love
with the satellite. What you need to read up on this?
Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I see exactly. I see this.
Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Oh my gosh, please watch this with Mindy. I need
you to like TikTok live her reaction.
Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Steven Young from from Walking Dead, I mean, I yeah,
I can't wait to talk about it. Gonna be a
bit of a jarring turn from uh, you.
Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Know, the Predator. I need your wife's live reaction to this.
Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Oh man, just tell her.
Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
It's a romance. Just tell her it's a romance. Don't
tell her anything else.
Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I can quote her right now the two famous words, no, three,
three famous words that come out of her mouth, which
is all always. That was stupid? That was stupid? How's that?
And that better? I truncated? Okay, then three of.
Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Them perfect, Thank you. I don't want to carry from
the appellations one.
Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
What's one is mountain dew.
Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Spelled cat c o a l cat.
Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Every word is spelled c o a l.
Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Then you picked that.
Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Up Merriam Webster's Dictionary of Appleatua.
Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Right there, all right, now that we've insulted everybody, we
got everyone covered. This is.
Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
And I am.
Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Gotta get costa. Got got got get it
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