Jonas Kuehne, Preventive Health MD

Today On Ready Set Live, Gary interviews Jonas Kuehne, Preventive Health MD

Episode Transcript

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Hello. I'm Gary Quinn and welcometo another episode of Ready Set Live.
My guest today is medical director andco founder of Cryo Healthcare, Inc.
Doctor Jonas Couhan and a graduate ofUCLA School of Medicine. Yonis and his
wife Emilia are the founders of Cryohealth Inc. Cryohealth Carapy is the first

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company to bring whole cryotherapy to theUnited States. They developed and trademarked the
cryofacial TM treatment and set standards inthe treatment efficacy and safety. In twenty
eleven, Cryo Healthcare added an engineeringdepartment to the company and created the coldest
walk in cryo Therapy Chamber. Don'tgo away, I'll be right back with

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doctor Jonas. Welcome to this show. Thank you. Tell me about cryo
therapy. I know it's been aroundfor a while, but you your company
seems to really specialize in this.Brian, tell me about it. Yeah,

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So this started sort of in nineteenseventy eight. That was a Japanese
rheumatologist that wanted to find a treatmentfor his patients that had severe rheumatoid arthritis.
So we're talking inflammatory and inflammatory disorder, right, an auto immune inflammatory
disorder, and he came up withthis extreme cold temperature treatment that once you
reach a cryogenic threshold. He discoveredthe body, you know, especially the

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layers of the skin that get flashfrozen from this cold temperature release anti flammay
proteins and it works really very efficientlyto treat severe illnesses like you know,
au iimmune disorders like rhumor, toorder tritis, And that's how it started.
Then we k became interested in Iwas actually working in geriatrics for a
while and wanted to get out ofthat. Every person in America unfortunately,

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I mean, I loved the patientsthat the overwhelming majority of these patients are
on a massive amount of medications,especially for pain modulation and other things.
So I was looking really for nonpharmacologic applications and I thought initially this would
be my patient base. Turns outthat's only a small partner, right.

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And then while in Melia, mygirlfriend at the time was doing internship in
Germany. She did a sample ina cryotherapy place, one of the newest
one in Berlin they had, andI came along. You know, I
was visiting Germany at the time,and I was living in the US,
and so it's the first time Isaw it and then I was hoped.
I thought it was amazing, didmore research and brought we together, brought

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the first machine over there. Now, how long and I've been in your
center and I've tested it, andhow long is the results that you have
to go six months or what isthe best results? It varies what you're
doing in for so if you havean acute injury, even a few treatments
are fine. We have, interestinglya large majority of people coming in just

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because they feel so much more,they feel their metabolism pick up so much,
they're more functional. And these arepeople that are not chronically ill.
But if you are chronically ill,let's say you have in a CVA case,
rumotoid arthritis, and we have manypatients with that, then regular treatments
we'd say about three or four timesa week, and I would say after

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the first one to two weeks evenyou start feeling a lot better and the
cold actually brings the inflammation down right, Yes, And it's not like and
there's people always bring this up.They confuse cold with other modalities like an
icebat. An icebad is a verydifferent modality. I like icebats or cold
plungers. I've done them. Theydon't work at this level. So this

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we're talking here about an extremely potentanti inflammatorch you like, give you an
example. We have a patient withsevere rheumatoid athritis and she has pretty much
over her life, failed all availabletreatments. You know, there's immunosuppressive therapy
like humira, you might have heardabout Scalara, all these things, and
then there's cordicosteroids, so nothing reallyworked anymore. She was worsening and came

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to cryo this was years ago already, and has done regular treatments three four
times a week. She is nowof all medications in a remission stage.
So this doesn't go away. Butshe's in remission for many years now with
normal blood levels, and that doesn'thappen in icebats. You have to go
to a cryogenic temperature, in myopinion, at least negative two hundred degrees
fahrenheit, and we go a bitcolder than that. And also, what

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I love about your center or yourcenters, you have so many different variations
of holistic modalities. And I've donethe infrared light therapy. Tell me more.
I know you know you have severalyoutubes about it, but for someone
who's a novice and doesn't know,you know, they may think it's a

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tanning bed. Yeah, yeah,it looks like it exactly. Ye.
Yeah, So this is an interestingtreatment. I also came across this.
I read a few studies on it, and it was pretty fascinating. When
you look at red light, visiblelight, the spectrum as you go to
the longer wavelength end of what wecan see as light that's red right from
red you go through near infrared,you can't see that anymore. So from

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anywhere from six hundred and twenty tosix hundred and eighty or seven hundred nanometers
that's red you can see. Afterabout seven hundred or seven hundred and twenty
nanometers near infrared you can see.But these light frequencies actually, and you
think of wavelengths here, right,can penetrate into the body. Other light
doesn't do that really, but redlight and the infrared goes into your skin,

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which is the red light you cansee that goes into the layers of
the skin and the dermis and subdermis, right, and then near infrared can
go inch and a half two inchdeep in your tissue and actually penetrates bone.
And it's fantastic. These both theselight waves, they kind of work
on mitochondria in our cells. Wethink of them as the powerhouses. But
what they do essentially, one ofthe main effects is they allow the mitochondria

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to produce more melatonin, same thingwe think of for sleep, but here
if it's produced in the mitochondria,it helps with mitochondrial health and function.
And it can take cells that arein oxidative stress, about to die and
revive them this way. And it'stested right now and actually used already even
in brain diseases like Parkinson's or Alzheimer'sdementia, because again it goes through the

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skull to the brain and allows theseneurons in the brain to become more functional
again and reverse some of the symptomsand some of the ideology we have with
Alzheimer's. Even so, would yousay that it's sort of a planting of
the seeds of what you have yourcells that are dying, It helps to
regenerate them or keep the longevity ofthem by the light infrared. Yeah,

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it makes them healthier again. Sothe thing is one thing that I came
across more and more when I readthese studies. So I'll do videos about
it. Mitochondrial health, right,is that something that we know more and
more is really important because it seemsthat that's at the root of all diseases,
and we think of cancer one ofthe disease that's very scary obviously that
we was thinking about. We alwaysthought about, well, this is manifesting

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because we have problems with the geneticmaterial. The DNA in a nucleus has
some problems, right, you havemutations in there, and that is the
manifestation of a cell that has anuncontrolled division cycle. But it turns out
actually that it starts in the mitochondriabecause they've done tests with these cells.
What they had a cancer cell andthey put in a healthy nucleus with healthy

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DNA and it continue to be acancer cell, and vice versa. They
had a healthy cell, they puta cancer nucleus in there with cancer DNA
and that cell stayed healthy. Sothe mitochondria seemed to be the more predominant
part of the health of the celleven there. And when we can do
something to improve a mitochondrial health andLED red light and near infrared is one

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of those modalities. Others are glutathion, you know, or the replenction of
gathon. These all important things therewe can actually want prevent, which is
really what I'm interested in. Butalso you can also treat right and also
the you know, the glutathon andthe B twelve and the vitamin D.

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I mean, what's so great ispeople don't know that you can maybe take
injections of those to help benefit orboost what is the benefit of of because
it's mind, body spirit, Soyou have to find the balance. And
how do you know if your energiesare off? That's the thing. How

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do people say, how how doI go to a cryop therapy and what
do I need it? Really?I think the interesting thing here is even
if you do let's say you doa crowd therapy session or you do an
led bat session, you know,if you're treating something, one session might
not be sufficient, but you cantell after the first time you were there
how you feel, and they useusually a pretty big impact. If you

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are sick or if you have adeficiency, then doing these model these will
make you feel a lot better.And the more regularly you do it,
the more lasting it is. Again, for short term injuries, you may
not need a lot of sessions,but one thing is if you're chronically sick
or so, then we offer againthese like packages for the whole month,
and it becomes actually very reasonable.I think our cryo comes down to twelve

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dollars a treatment if you have amonthly unlimited that's actually really very reasonable.
But like you said, so havingde efficiencies as weh is more prevalent,
especially with vitamins. Most of whenyou think about vitamins need to be absorbed
when you take them orally in inyour digestive tract and as we get older,
that absorption is massively decreasing, especiallyfor things like vitamin B twelve,

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and then injecting it you bypass thatright, you give it intramuscular shot goes
from the end to the bloodstream.You're bypassing the digestive tracts, so you
have full absorption and you can seethen you know if you improve. I
always recommend if you do a modalityat our place, do one at a
time, because if there is achange and you do a bunch of things
while you're there, we don't knowwhat actually worked for you. So I
think it's good to be a conservativeat first and say, well, let's

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try this out. If you havea blood test, we can look at
that. We can also do testingin our facility. We do blood tests
as well, so I do someprimary care there as well, and we
can see if you're low on certainvitamins for example. Also also I do
the beamer. Talk to me aboutthe beamer because many people I've tried to
explain what it is and they go, is that like a magnet thing?

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What is it all about? Explainto the to the audience what that is.
And then that was my first reactionwhen I heard about it. So
any modality, by the way thatwe're using is something that I have to
wanting and then I'm using myself becauseotherwise I would be a bit of a
hypocrite to have it. This one, I wasn't convinced at first, and
then I looked at the studies.They were great and tried it out and
had some amazing effects from this.So this is a PMF device pulsetting electromagnetic

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field. So essentially, it's amagnetic field that you're on that has a
certain wavelength signature wavelength that they designed. It is not a very strong field,
but you can feel it while you'reon there. And the only thing
it really does. It dilates capillarybeds and what it means is the very
small blood vessels in your tissue.It allows the blood to go further,
It allows to oxygen to go furtherand usually goes right because it widens those

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And when you think of red bloodcells, they have a certain size,
they transport oxygen, they pick upCO two. Then you have waste products,
and then you have your immune system, your white blood cells that need
to get in there as well,and if these cells are chronically constricted,
you can't get in there. It'swhat the beamer does. It opens up
these beds and allows better profusion andwith that come all the effects that it

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has. It sounds a bit likesnake oil because it has so many benefits.
But when you think about your auctionin tissue, you are picking up
MOTEO two. You allowing your immunesystem to go to places where it usually
cannot go, and that's how ithas such a tremendous effect on the body.
So I think it's a fantastic treatment. I think of hyperbaric oxygen chambers.
We don't offer that. That islike an hour and a half usually
in a slightly higher pressure, higherauction environment. The idea there is high

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pressure. You're dissolving oxygen in theliquid in the plasma of your blood,
right and because plasma, even ifyou have constricted capulary beds, can go
with this. It's just a liquidyou have oxygen carrying that way. The
beamer does it by dilating them,allowing the red blood cells carrying oxygen to
go to those places. That's thedifference one. And I noticed that when
I'm consistent with the beamer, Ican feel the change slowly, you can

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feel it, especially traveling a lot. But I also what I love about
your work is that you are consistentin about talking about food and you know,
and I know you have so manyyoutubes and people should watch them about
you know, about the salt,yeah, you know, and about how

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important the salt is. That thetable salt is garbage, that's right,
one of them. So I thinkfood is crucial and we think of so
My interest really is preventive medicine.And one of the best ways to start
is, you know, the thingswe put into our body, right,
and unfortunately, our diet again isterrible. We have processed foods, we
have contaminants, we have toxins thatwe consume on a regular basis, and

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our government agencies are not very goodat really cutting out things that are harmful
for us because they seem to betoo much monetary introspect and forth. There
seem to be you know, again, I would like to see a bit
more of a clear guideline for people. But having changes in your nutrition is
one of the best things you cando for improving your health long term,

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right, and going to simple ingredients, whole ingredients, things that are not
sprayed with pesticides, herbicides, likesimple stuff, right, cutting out things
full of heavy metals or plastic componentsto talk about plastic and water and other
things. And it's things that arenot that difficult to do and there shouldn't
be too expensive to do. Ithink it's more an understanding of, well,
what is what is out there thatdoes harm because a lot of times

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I didn't know either. In medicalschool, I had about a handful of
nutrition lectures and we didn't talk abouta lot of environmental toxins. You talk
about what you do with the sickpatient coming in right now, my interest
is more about how they prevent someof from getting sick, you know,
because I think that's the better wayto approach it also the less lucrative way

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in the medical business, but Ithink it's the more important way. Were
you was there a catalyst that yousaid I want to change or you saw
that there was such a need orwhat was what was your moment where you
said I want to do longevity.So really it is working in the geriatric
in geriatrics with elderly people and seeingagain everybody has about fifteen to twenty medications

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at when they eighty or eighty Mostof them I would argue they will not
need And it is interesting how thewhole system is geared towards getting us hooked
on chronic medication and we're very reluctantto decrease them. And that was kind
of my job back then, whichI liked, you know, going in
saying hey, does this person needthis? But you know again going there,

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is that really the solution? Dowe need to cheat with so many
medications? Or can we do changesthat are non pharmacologic in nature? And
of course there can be there canbe medications to support. The interesting thing
here that we see in western medicineis one or the other. Right,
you can have either you go fullpharmacologic and you know Western medicine, which

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which I studied that went to ustoday for medical school, or you go
in holistic, non non medication foodbased, right. I think they should
work hand in hand. I thinkwe should have both available. There are
medications that are fantastic and are needed, but many medications are over prescribed.
And it is the issue we haveis that our medical system is a business.
And when medicine become of business,especially in the farmer industry. I

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can't blame the farm industry. Theytry to make money and that's what they
set out to do, right,but it sometimes does not work in the
interest of the patient. Well.It also you start to see how people
really now have to be their ownhealth advocates. Because I believe in all
the holistic medicines, Chinese medicine.You know, I've done for many years

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acupuncture, cupping, and I recentlyhad to have a test done on my
stomach and I spoke to the youknow, the doctor, a big scientific
doctor, and she she's Chinese,and I said, what about these modalities?
And you know you're Chinese, don'tyou do these teas? And I

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said, I go, and Idrink these teas and I get the cupping
and I do the She's oh no, no, no prescriptions, and I'm
like, no, no, no, no no, she just said both.
I mean that's the thing. Lookat green tea. I did a
video about it. Green tea hasan active ingredient called EGCG, which is
amazing. It has a lot ofanti cancer properties. Right. Studies in

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Japan have shown that, you know, people that drank about ten of these
cups of tea that's smaller cups thanhours of green tea had a lower incidence
of cancer when you've compared to thepopulation. So we know these things do
work. We know the active ingredients, and we know there are things that
do not have a lot of sideeffects. But there's reluctance. And the
reluctance is because as physicians we are, whether we like it or not,

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we're influenced by the farmer industry.Right, the farmer industry, of course,
it's in their interest to say,well, don't use anything that's not
a prescription. We have the betterstudies and the better research and publications,
and that's absolutely true, they do, but that has a lot of money
involved. Right. There's patterns andwhen you think about I mean, do
you know is there a pattern ongreen tea? Of course not, because

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again these are natural ingredients. Andthen in whose interest is it to do
a multimillion dollar double blind SIBU controlledstudy on a particular you know, aspect
of these active ingredients. That isthe issue that why we don't a lot
of times have good studies on eithercheap medications or repurposed medications, and they're
some very good ones as well,or on natural ingredients of foods. Right,

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But we do have a lot ofstudies for a lot of money on
new patentable pharmasault pharmaceuticals, right.And I'm not saying all of them are
bad. Some of them are good. But if you think about it,
at some point you're running out ofthings to sell and you have to fish
a bit for new things, andnew makes more money, that's true,
but it's not always better. Also, also, do you find that with

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many patients that it's connected to themental part as far as the uh you
know, I teach you know,positive affirmations and positive thinking. But if
a person starts to concentrate on thoseaspects, they start in time feeling better

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and looking more positive. Do youfind when people take the cryotherapy and maybe
they've been not so positive, butas they start to change their mental state
of mind, that it helps toheal them quicker? I think very much
so in cryo. It's very interestingthere because it has actually so when you
go to studies published in Europe thereit is actually considered a medical modality,

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so you can use it in amedical setting. And one indication is major
depressive disorder, right, so peoplethat have depression. We know people with
depression are more prone to disease,and that is as you mentioned, actually
it is a state of mind.And positive thinking versus negative thinking has been
studied and been shown that if youare a very negative mindset, you're thinking
very negatively about your health all thetime, you have a worse health outcome.

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And you can find studies that reallydocumentthat. And that is another pet
peep of mind with our field andmedicine, because we usually give the worst
possible diagnosis to some one, youknow, and that doesn't do anybody any
favors. You know. We're alwayssaying, well, my experiences will happen
to you, you know, anda lot of times we don't really know
because some people do better, somepeople do worse, you know, But

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you're right if in a negative mind, a negative thinking can greatly affect your
health and modalities like you know,cry or bemerberm you come out of there,
or the red light even you canfeel and dolphins kicking in at a
very high amount, you feel better. Depressive symptoms get better, get modulated
at least and sometimes go away evenright, And that impacts your health as
well. So one is the physicalchanges and the changes on a cellular level

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and the release of anti inflammatory proteins. The other one is the mental state.
And I think they do work handin hand. And I also love
that you were speaking about how thered light can help anxiety and depression.
Is that because the endorphins are kickedin or is it all the procedure help

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to stabilize the mind. So,but the light therapy is really it's direct
effect on the brain, you know, because I can remember the wavelengths can
penetrate tissue. Red light only reallyto the dermis, subdermis, capulary beds
and all these things. But thennear infrared just go through the skull,
goes through a bone into the brain, and you know, by really improving

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the health of your neurons in yourbrain. We feel that a lot of
times anxiety improves because anxiety all thesethings they do have sometimes also a when
you want like like a physical underlyinglike in the individual neurons in our brain.
When we can improve brain health,a lot of times anxiety improves as
well. What would your best tipbe for someone who wants to get healthy

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and mean mind, body and soul. What would you suggest? It would
really investigate the things that chronically makeyou sick and avoid those first. I
think that's the first step. Andwhen you with water, you know,
drinking out of plastic. Plastic isbad. This is really bad. We
just now found I did a videoon it. There's nanoplastics which they can

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identify now two hundred thousand plastic particles, mostly nanoplastics in a leader of water
that actually is so small it penetratesfrom the gut lining into a bloodstream,
even goes so a brain. Sothese things you got to cut out.
So and you can't taste the difference. You can't taste the difference, but
things and people always ask, well, what's the good alternative? So starting

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your start with your consumption of water, because what's not the most important nutrients
we tike in every day. Gowith the reverse osmosis filter in the morning,
let it run for what one glassto flush the system and then use
that right. Don't use plastic bottles. You drink out of standless steel.
Don't heat anything in plastics, Soavoid all plastic as best you can.
Have glass containers, standard steel containers. Ceramic cups. Do not drink hot

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beverages at Starbucks. These cups theirpaper, they're liigned with plastic, otherwise
they would leak out right, andwhen you put a hot liquid in there,
guess what happens? That more ofthe crap that's in it. We're
talking thalads and bys fennels. Ifthey tell you it's BPA free, bis
fennel A free, then there's bisfennelsof in there. So there's again I
would avoid all that, So that'snumber one. Then and nutrition vice,

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go to simple ingredients. Don't buyanything in the package ideally, so go
with single edians. You know,we're talking about eggs, milk, we're
talking about fruit and vegetables, andeven meat is fine. But when it's
all packaged up and processed and youhave a lot of processed foods in there.
These are things that have stuff inthere we don't want, like you
know, seed oils. Dick's goingto have microplastics in there as well.

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It's gonna have a bunch of crapin there. So go to that.
Go with simple nutrition. Think thinkhow people ate, let's say one hundred
and fifty years ago, what didthey buy in the grocery store wherever it
went. And they were a bithealthier back then because they didn't have all
these chemicals we have today. Theyhad less incidents of disease. They died
from infection usually or the tuberculosis,which again I'm glad we have antibiotics and

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other things there. But if youthink if it was okay, hundred fifty
years ago, if that's what peopled you fine, If it's something that's
very new, I would just nothave it, like artificial sweeteners and food
colorings bad. Yeah. Well,thank you for the health chat with Doctor
in the House, And if anyof you would like to look him up
further, you can go to hisinstagram at Jonas dot k U e h

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n E dot m D and youcan check out his cryotherapy chambers at his
three different locations in Los Angeles ifyou happen to be in Los Angeles.
But thank you so much. It'salways a pleasure to see you and your
wife, and you'll see me atyour center more and more. Thank you

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so much for having me with pleasurebeing here. It's great. So thank
you so much for joining me todayon this special episode of Ready Set Live.
Until next time, be well,