May 5, 2025 • 57 mins
Episode Notes My guest include Anasa Troutman, Executive Director, Clayborn Temple Restoration. We all know about the fire that destroyed the iconic structure that served as a living, Breathing symbol of the Civil Rights movement, a meeting place for Dr. King and the sanitation workers. She talks about its history and if any part of it can be saved. Violence and the path many of our young folks are taking is the wrong path. Durell Cowan is the founder and Executive Director of Heal 901. The non profit’s goal is to cultivate the minds of young leaders while eradicating violence. I ask him how we can all as a city do more to help our next generation break the cycle of trauma for a more positive future. State Representative Torrey Harris just completed the 2025 Legislative Session. I ask him how it went ( or didn’t)and whether anything that happened was beneficial to Memphis and Shelby County. That and more on air and online Monday, 6 pm on 91.7 FM WYXR. Also, the WYXR app, Tunein, Facebook Live and wherever you get your podcasts. It’s time to talk!
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And here we go on this first Monday of a
brand new month, May twenty twenty five, at six o'clock,
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Chip Washington, here your humble host. They're glad to be
back in the airchair after a week and after from
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what I'm being told, a very successful riverbeat at twenty
twenty five. I heard the sixth at the event was
off the chain. They told me, Missy, Missy Elliott just
just just snatched this whole city on Friday night, and
Lolin sitting over that Yeah, she can, she can, she's
she can co sign on that absolutely so success and
congratulations to all the folks who are associated with that
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uh musical extravaganza over the weekend. I heard everything went well,
the weather was pretty good, and everybody had a nice time.
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That is what it is all about.
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Well, we are here now of course, for the next hour,
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Lots of ways to be informed, stay informed, and check
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you tonight, a great lineup of course, unless a Trapman
is going to be my first guest. She is the
executive director of the Claiborne Tempo Restoration project.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Many of us know.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
That that that that pillar of civil rights burnt down
about a week or so ago. It has been declared
a total loss, but hope springs eternal that there might
be something that can be reclimated from this particular project.
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A little bit later on, so she'll talk to us
about all of that. A little bit later on, we'll
be speaking with Darrell Cowen. Drell is the founder executive
director of Heal nine oh one. Ladies and gentlemen, if
you have been paying any attention to what is happening
in and around our community, in our streets, we need healing,
no doubt about that. And Drel is in those streets,
and he understands exactly what is happening out there, and
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he's going to give us his take on what he
thinks we need to do as a community. I said, we,
not you, not just me, not just you, but we,
all of us collectively. He is a solid voice in
our community. And a little bit later on, we're going
to be speaking with State Representative Tory Harris. The legislative
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session just ended about a week and a half ago,
give or take, and I wanted to get his take
as a representative of Memphis and Shelby County, how he
think things went this legislative session, and more importantly, did
Memphis and Shelby County benefit in any kind of way
at all. I think I know the answer to that,
but I'm going to let him talk about that a
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little bit later on. So there you that is our
lineup before this evening. I hope that you are going
to be with us this evening. I hope you're going
to stick around this evening for the next hour or so.
We sit back, relax, get comfortable, and check out the
conversation that we like to engage in around here. Let
me before I even get into the birthdays, which is
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coming up here in just a second, I want to
shout out Lola. Lovely Lola performed had a spot at
the river Beat over the weekend, and I heard she
tore it down. She's extraordinarily talented. Said it was just
an amazing, amazing time. So very proud of you. Nice job,
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good job on Ed. I really appreciate that her being
a part of all of this, because if you've never
heard her do her thing, you need to check her out.
She's really, really good. So we're really proud of her
and wanted to shout her out. Now, I want to
shout you out. If you're celebrating a birthday today, or
you had one over the weekend, got one coming up
in the next week or so, this is your segment.
This is how we do it here on Real Talk
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Memphysis the shout out. But I can't shout you out
until I ask Brian to hit it.
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All.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Right, we have a few birthdays to celebrate today. Sure
many of you are already still celebrating. You're celebrating the
first part of it during the day, and you're going
to celebrate the rest of it tonight. Right, It's Happy Birthday,
is going out the doors stay Happy Birthday. Doris Janika
White is celebrating her birthday today. She is a city councilwoman.
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Anna Catherine Word from Maifa celebrating her birthday today. Happy Birthday,
going out to Beverly Rainer to tuggle her setter, and
to Stephanie A Turner and Lola hands. Somebody she wants
to shout out.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Today, sold up, Happy Birthday. So my auntie Ronde James Ford,
her birthday is on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Happy Birthday.
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I love you.
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Happy birthday, Ron, Happy birthday to each and every one
of you celebrated today. I hope it's been in the day.
Phil was fun and laughter, and I hope that all
of us here at Real Talk Memphis will be here
next year to celebrate your next trip around the sun.
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Thanks Brient.
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So you new the notes today the Tyree Nichols case.
Both the prosecution and the defense team have wrapped up
their case and now the jury's being given final instructions,
hearing closing arguments from both the prosecution and the defense,
and that is going to be continued into tomorrow. So
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I'm thinking maybe it's only Monday. I'm thinking maybe we'll
have a verdict to sometime between now and the end
of the week. But we will stay tuned and we
will see. All right, So all of for all of
you out there who have heard about real ID but
have done nothing about it as of yet, the deadline
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is Wednesday. This Wednesday, May seventh is the deadline to
get your real I D Now let me just say
this to you, don't panic.
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I'll get you through it, okay if you don't.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
If you haven't gotten it yet, and many many, many
many folks haven't gotten theirs yet. It'll be okay if
you have a passport. If you plan on doing any
traveling anytime soon domestically, you need your passport, so keep
that with you until you get your license fixed up
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there with that little star Lola you have Okay, she
hain't got hers yet. Yeah, she got a passport. Brin,
you got yours yet, Brian, he's given me that. Nah,
not quiet. Well, I actually got mine. I haven't gotten
my license yet, but I did go through the process.
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I got an appointment and I went in and it
took me about maybe twenty minutes to give it take.
I was in and I was out. You can't go
and even think about going now, because first of all,
you can't get an appointment.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
The second thing is it's just way too unless you
plan on spending six seven eight hours in line at
a the DMV office. Lola probably batter eyes and wear
something you know and somewhere, Well, you can do that.
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You can get this anywhere in the state of Tennessee.
You can do that.
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And that's one thing that you don't have to do
if you live here. You don't have to necessarily get
it here, but if you live in the state of Tennessee,
you can take a license a little leisurely drive here.
It's packed everywhere though. But but again, don't panic. If
you don't get it before the seventh, you're good. If
you have to do any traveling after that, keep your
passport with you, of course, and you should be able
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to you should be okay with your I D. But
you do have to get your real ID. Okay, that's
a And then once the seventh comes and goes, I
think the panic will start stopping, you know, kind of
temporarily relax a little bit, and then you may want
to try to go in another maybe two weeks or so,
you know, when things start to ease up just a bit.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
What do you think.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Yeah, So anyway, that's your that's your one reminder from
this show about real I D. River Bend, as I stated,
river beat rather, as I stated, has concluded, and it
was a big success. And once again, congratulation to everybody, uh,
including Lowly Lola for being a part of a very
successful event.
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UH.
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Late this afternoon we heard that Youth Villages UH and
the family of Alleged Jones UH, the young lady who
tragically died. Uh in reference to uh uh, some situations
happening with the youth villages. Uh, they came to a
settlement today this afternoon.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Uh. And uh there was no.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Violent act or anything that was attributed to youth villages
in reference to that case. But they did come to
a settlement this afternoon. And of course that takes a
look at news and knows. It seemed like I wanted
to say something else, but that's all right. It may
just pop in my head sometime between now and seven o'clock. Oh,
by the way, I did mention last week that an
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eighteen year old female, Lottoriana Lindsey, was charged with first
degree murder and the shooting death of Anthony Smith down
at tom Lee Park a few weeks back, you know,
after they had the big food food truck festival there.
Happened on April thirteenth. She made a court appearance. Her
bond has been set at one million dollars. Anthony Smith
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was seventeen years of age, and of course the suspect,
Lottiana Lindsay, is only eighteen years of age. So that's
the look at news and not it's on this Monday evening.
What do you say let's go to a break, and
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And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday evening,
Chip with you and UH. I am very happy to
have my first guests, although it comes after a bit
of a tragedy here in our city. Many of us
are very aware of what happened when fire hit the
historic Clayburn Temple about a week and a half or
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so ago and caused extensive damage to what we have
described as a pillar in our community and especially a
pillar UH and a and a figurestone in the civil
rights movement.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
UH.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
The meeting place during the sanitation a workers' strike UH
and back in nineteen sixty eight with doctor King and
many other leaders are strategized on on getting the rights
that people deserved. Well, anyway, now we're left with what
we're left with, and I wanted to talk a little
bit about this, because I said it a week or
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so ago, and I'll say it again. The city's grieving.
Speaker 12 (14:08):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
That that that's a big loss, uh, and from for
many people on many different levels. And I'm very pleased
to have a NASA trout Man. She is the executive
director of Claybord Temple Restoration process project. And Annasi's very happy.
I'm very happy to have you on the show and
I'm very glad you could join me for a few minutes.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
Thank you for being here, appreciate it, of course, of course,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
I saw you on a few interviews not too long
after that fire occurred, and I just kind of wanted
to get your thought process, you know, and because you're
working so closely with it in the midst of a
six million dollar renovation project when all of this happened.
But but, but what kind of effect does this have
or has this had not only on you and your organization,
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but the city as a whole.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Do you think.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
It's been interesting?
Speaker 9 (14:59):
Because there there is two things happening at one time.
There is a lot of grief. One of the things
that really I don't think I will ever forget is
watching people drive up to Clayborn on Monday.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
It's only been a week.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
It was last Monday that the fire happens, And I
was out there from maybe two thirty in the morning
to probably four or five that afternoon. And the number
of people that I saw drive up to the building,
get out of their car, walk up as far as
they could to the police tapeline, and just wail and
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cry and hug and ball out.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
There's not an image I'll soon forget.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
And so like, part of what's happening is like a
lot of people are experiencing a very, very very deep grief.
Clayborn Temple was one of the few buildings in the
city that everybody feels like belongs to them because it's
been both a Presbyterian church and an A and E
church and a place for organizing and a place.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
For celebrating and the rotary meetings and.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
All like there's everybody has had has a relationship with
its building. And so there is a Clayborn Temple size
hole in a whole bunch of people's hearts, not just
here in Memphis but across the country. But the other
thing that's happening at the same time is like there
is this resolve and this determination that is happening inside
of people that they are staying like, oh well this,
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We're not We're not gonna let this be the end.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Like we are.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
We are committing to figuring out and making whatever restoration
looks like happen. And so it's almost like people's people's
grief is leading them to this determination to be able
to be a part of the restoration of the building.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
So when you heard and I believe and maybe you
can confirm that the fire department is continuing to investigate this.
They've not come to any solid conclusionship have they in
reference to the.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Cause of the fire.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
No, And part of the problem is because the building
is still not stable. So they're managing like how to
be able to do a full investigation and also make
sure that our first responders remain safe and are not
in dangerous way when it comes to falling bricks or
stones or things like that. So we've been working to
try to stabilize the site so that the investigation can
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be completed.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
So, in reference to the damage that I referred to earlier,
do you see at this particular point where I'm sure
this is an ongoing process it will be for a
while that there is any level of restoration that could
possibly take place in reference to the damage that happened.
Speaker 9 (17:50):
Yeah, I think early Monday morning, I think between our
staff and the Mayor and Chief Sweat at the Fire
Department kind of we all made an agreement to do
everything that we could for as much of the building
to remain as standing as possible. Right, and so like
all do respect and love and gratitude to Mayor Young
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and she Sweat, who really went above and beyond to
make sure that we could preserve as much of the
building as possible. So if y, I mean obviously when
it comes to the sanctuary, there's not much of the
interior left. There's nothing of the interior left of the sanctuary,
but other.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Parts of the building remain.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
But also those fathids, those iconic facades that house the
stained glass that that were the four walls of the building.
We have a lot of that left, and so we
are right now. Our our goal is to preserve as
much as possible and stabilize as much as possible so
that we have options when it we can reimagine the restoration,
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so we have the ability to be able to to
have some latitude, Uh, in terms of what's possible with
the restoration.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
You know, in a world where much of our history
is being stripped away or you know, kind of pushed
off to the side, what is it that you would
want people to know who really don't know and who
really don't understand the history of a Clayburn Temple? Should
what should they know about this storied facility building.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Yeah, so I think Claybroom Temple before it burned with
over one hundred and thirty years old, So there's literally
over a century a century's worth of history in the building.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
But the story that people.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Know the most is that it was the organizing headquarters
for the Sanitational Worker Strike of nineteen sixty eight. And
there are many stories in that story that I think
are important. But when you talk about like the general Republic,
and the reason why other folks think that is important
is because the sanitation worker Strike was the last work
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that King did before he was assassinated. He was in
Memphis to be able to support the sanitation worker Strike,
which was housed in that building.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
And so for me, the reason why.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
That's so significant is because King saw the future of
his movement in Memphis, because he was wrestling with this
idea of like going from just talking about race to
actually talking about a multi racial movement against poverty and
really focusing on what it looked like for us to
transform the economics of our country. And when he heard
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about the sanitation workers strike, he thought, this is what
I've been talking about in this right here. If I
can go and help that be successful, then I have
something I can show around the country about what I'm
trying to say.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
And so the fact that the.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
Sanitation workers and Reverend Lawston and Cornelia Crenshaw and so
many others here in the city were created such a
sophisticated conversation with the strike.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Right, they were talking.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
About race, yes, but they were also talking about class
and human dignity and their safety, right, And that is
that was what.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Martin Luther King thought. The future was right here in Memphis.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
And for me, the reason why the building became so
important to me is because I think that that potential
and that pointing toward the future and those lessons for
the rest of the nation are still here in Memphis,
and those stories were living in that building, And to me,
that's why we have to keep going, because because the
telling of that story is still so important because of
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where we are at this moment.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Yeah, I was, yeah, just listening to what you said,
I mean it sounds like I mean, you know, you're
really saying that you know, this is this is this
is history. Uh, and it's still living history today, you know,
even though we understand what it was about. And I'm
to understand that those iconic I Am a Man signs
were put together in Mason, I mean Clayburn Temple as well.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
Right in the basement.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I know.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
I know elders now who I'm friends with who tell
me stories about been being in the basement making those
I of Man signs, those original im of man signs, right.
And I think the thing about history that is so
powerful is not just looking back, but history actually gives
us everything that we need to be able to look
forward towards the future. And if we're not thinking about
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our history as teachers for the future, that I think
that we're not contextualizing our history properly.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
What do you think that we as a society, not
just a city, not just the state, but a society,
What have we or what should we have learned in
reference to the history of this particular structure and that
that time in American history.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
Yeah, I've been thinking about Reverend lost in a lot
this week because of the time that I was able
to spend with him. And the thing that he said
to me that I've been meditating on so much is
when he looked me in my face and he said,
I want people to stop saying that we were building
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a civil rights movement, because that's not what we were
working to do.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
What we were.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
Working to do was to build God's kingdom on earth.
And I think that what we have forgotten is that
what King and Cordatior Crenshaw and Idim Wells and all
the people who we hold so dear, what they wanted
to do was to build beloved community. They wanted for
all human beings to experience safety, joy, love, and abundance
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and to have a good life. And I think that
we have lost sight of the fact that, like, that's
what everybody wants, all of us still today, we think
about Memphis and we think about, you know, the difficulties
that Memphis is having or has had, and we are
talking about removing the barriers from people having a good life,
to be able to feel safe, to be able to feel.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Like their kids are going to have what they need to.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Be able to feel like we can connect with each
other as human beings, right to know that our history
and our stories are going to be honored, and that
we can be in space, in spaces where we actually
can look at ourselves and look at each other and
know that we are good, and know that we are right,
and know that we have a right to life.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Right.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
And I want to remind people that that, for me,
is what Claven is about.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
It is about the quest for a good life, the.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
Quest for for us to have no barriers between us
and our future.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
That is what this work is about for me. I
think that's what.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
I learned from Reverend Lawson, Like, yeah, all that, yes,
but what we.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Really desire, what we really desire is community. That's that's
the answer.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Community. Yeah, that that is the answer.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
I before you go, what what can all of us
as a community as a city, who who understands what
what that Claver and Temple meant to so many? What
can we do in reference to this to support whatever
comes comes next?
Speaker 8 (25:10):
Yeah? So I think I have an easy answer and
to have a harder answer.
Speaker 9 (25:15):
I think the easy answer is, like you know, we're
obviously fundraising well constantly and fundraising most so folks want
to support the restoration efforst, they can go to our
website Claiborne dot org and go to the donate page
and like, folks have given five, ten, fifteen, twenty five,
two fifty one thousand, like whatever you can give. But
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what I really really really want is sorry, is that
my fear this week? Because Memphis is a city that
has had a lot of Greece, and we have had
a lot of sorrow here and what I want is
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for this not to become another thing that we have
to hold in terms of that emotion, that that sorrowful emotion.
And so what I really want is for Memphians to
be able to come together and find out what it
requires for us to heal from this. And we've been
thinking at our organization about the ways that we can
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bring people together to have this conversation to think about
like how do we take this moment and transform it
from a thing of pain to a thing that helps
us reimagine not just play warm, but reimagine Memphis. And
so I would love people just to like pay attention
to our socials, to be on our mailing list and
to gather with us when we called, and to gather
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with each other and start to have the conversations about
what is going what is it gonna take for Memphis
to become a healed city, for Memphians to be healed people,
and for us to be taking care of each other
in the way that I think the sanitation workers were
calling us into. And so yes, we would happy to
take your donation, happy to be able to take that
that those those dollars and levers in for the future
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of the building.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
But what I'm really concerned about is the future of
of us.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
The future of the people who live here and the
people the future of the people whose ancestors hold those stories.
So many people I met this week who was like
my daddy, my Granddaddy's sanitation workers are so many. And
those folks whose whose family made that building as significant
and iconic as it is deserved to be able to
feel whole and to be able to feel well and
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to feel healed, and to have those stories be able
to help them move forward into the future in a
meaningful and beautiful way.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
And that's a troutman, Ladies and gentlemen. Executive director of
Claiborne Temple Restoration Project and NASA. It's great to talking
with you this evening. I'm glad you may teach you.
I'm glad you made time to be with us in
our audience today. And God bless you on your on
your on your pursuit of this. In the future, we
will wait and watch and see and yeah, I believe
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what you believe.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
You know.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
We need to we need to get our voice, and
we need we need to get together. We need to
be together as a community, and we need to stop
all the all the all.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
The answer, the answer to every issue in the history
of humanity is community. There is no thing that can
stop us if we are together. It's just we have
to do it.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
You have to do it.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Community. Thank you so much. Well, God bless you. Thank
you for coming on the show tonight. I really appreciate.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
You than you take care of anytime.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Buh. There you go, ladies and gentlemen. It's all about
community at the end of the day, it really is.
And we thank ANSSA for coming on the show tonight
and really talking with us about all of this. We're
going to take a break and when we come back
we will continue on this edition of Real Talk Man
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Speaker 7 (30:40):
And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday
evening in the city.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
You know, we uh many of us are very well
aware of what is going on in our cities, in
our communities today, and it seems as if there's a
bit of a dark cloud over the city with some
of the incidents and some of the things that are happening.
I wanted to invite a young man who on this show,
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who has devoted his time and his energy to helping
to improve the station of so many people, especially our
young folks out here in this community. He's very well
thought of, he's very well known, and he's not afraid
to use his voice. That's why I like you having
him on this show. Please welcome to the show, k
(31:26):
Durrell Cowen. He is the founder and the executive director
of Heal nine on one and Durrell is coming to
us from Washington, d C. Which makes us even more special.
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
It's good to see. How are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Is a pleasure to be on the line with you.
To night Ship.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I respect you the platform and shout out to the
citizens of Memphis. I know that we have had some
dog days recently. I'm just here and pleased to be
in this space to share a conversation with you.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Well, thank you for that as always.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
You know it really when we get to points like
this and we've seen an increase in some of the activity,
the negative activity in and around our communities. But what
troubles me the most is the fact that so many
of these incidents are being caused not only being caused by,
but there are victims of and they're all young people.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I mean, there's so many young people.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Under the age of eighteen who are becoming victims as
well as suspects in some of these crimes. Derell and
I just don't and I know you and I know
your passion for all of this, and I just kind
of wanted to get your take on on what you're
seeing and what we have seen, especially in the last
month here in our city.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
So I got a cool fold answer for that. Am
I aware of what's going on? Am I understanding the
severe state that we're in. Am I understanding the pressure
and the pain of the citizens of Memphis that are
affected by this that have nothing to do with it.
Am I feeling the pain of the parents and guardians
who are losing their babies to gun violence of the
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city of Memphis. I'm not oblivious. I fill it up
and I'll be remiss if I didn't say what I
can say that it's going on. What I can say
is you see the current administration, Marry Young and his team,
They're They're putting a lot of people in place, and
I know, to the citizens, what does these people mean? Well,
when when you have a problem that this being, we
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have to have systems in place to be able to
monitor the progression that we are making when it comes
to making progress in the space. So having directed Darren
Goods now being in the office the special right next
to the Mayor, keeping him updated, we got the Joint
Office that is up now. I want people to understand this.
The Joint Office still has to wait until a funding
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cycle to have funding to be able to fund some
of the work that they see. So understanding there are
systems in place that this county and the city have
both invested in. But now we're into budget season and
this is the most crucial time because it's about how
much are we going to put in the budget towards
this work. And I love the work that I do.
I love the impact that we're making. I love being
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able to help families. I had a dad just reach
out to me recently about his son because he needed
some help.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So I don't want the month TIMEE to be this.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Only single moms and things that no, no, no, no, it's
some dual family homeswork. Dad is heavily involved and they're like, no, no, no,
we need some help with our baby. So just understanding
that it's a long road ahead, and honestly, it's going
to take resources, and I know people.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Tired of hearing about money, but I'm being honest.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
For me to consistently run around the country to find
funding to be able to do the work that I do,
that's a lot of pressure on me, understanding that there's
a great need of the city. But we got some
dollars in the city of Memphis that can aid towards
this work. So I'm making philanthropy the churches and businesses
to support these type of efforts as recently. I'm in
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DC right now because two weeks ago on Tuesday, organization
that lost one point four million dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
In this world.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Wow, that I was going in Memphis during the contract.
So there's things that's happening federally just having an effect.
That's what we're seeing a decrease in numbers from last
year because of the work that me, my brothers at
Block Squad, my brothers and sisters at Memphis Allies. We're
all working diligently. But when we see funding slights federally,
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now we're scrambling. How do we continue to maintain the
efforts of the decrease that we.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Solve last year.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Yeah, you know, I think, uh, and then hearing that
and that's very honest the assessment of things. I mean,
obviously it takes funding to be able to put on
programs and the organizations like you just yours and ones
that you just mentioned as well.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Uh, but we're seeing this, uh, we're seeing this.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Uh, this trickle down effect from the from the highest
levels of federal government, Uh, cutting and slashing and doing
everything else. You know, as you said, you're out there
trying to get funding for these organizations. People really need
to understand that this is kind of a multi level
situation that we're talking about here, and in order for
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you to be able to fund some of the programs
that you do to help so many young people out
around here. You need that funding, and you really need
our city to sort of take a step back, especially
with the month we just had in April. We need
to really take a step back and look at look
at the big picture. Not run from the big picture,
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but look at the big picture, and and say to ourselves,
as you just said, you know here in our city,
we need to maybe redirect our resources in a way
that will be more of a benefit rather than a hindrance.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Am I right about that?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Most so, as we're gearing up these bases in the
city government and county government to be able to fund
this work on a continual basis, I want to be
clear there's continual funding moving forward, but we have to
understand and we're in a situation where we got to
stop the bleeding in Memphis right now, and with the dire.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Situation in Memphis.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Just want to share some figures, And I know that
your audience is very well educated and well diverse group,
so I just want to be clear the national number
that they're saying that should be invested in this type
of work in Memphis strictly for intervention on the ground.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Level is fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
But with the pat that's the national dollar.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But with the epidemic that we're experienced in the mephis,
it's going to take a surplus of another ten million
dollars on top of it to be able to hit really,
really hard to get the results that we need to
be able to move forward. And I'm looking forward to
continue these conversations with these new leaders that are very
serious about this work. Mary Young, even Mary Harris, even
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though he's at the end of his term, he's very
serious about the public safety issue that's going on. So
understand that we do have their support. It's just making
sure that the individuals in the city leadership outside of
the man, the individuals at the counter Commission and City Council,
as well as the philanthropy understands that we are a
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conjunction or groups of individuals that are making great, great
impact when it comes to the valid crime and Memphis.
We have to sustain it and it shouldn't be on
the organization so much. On that sustainability.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
You know, you use the term a minute ago that
we're in a dire situation here.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
We're losing a generation.
Speaker 13 (38:33):
Man.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
I mean every time uh, you know, I get I
get a news flash about you know, another tragic event
that is happening, and we're losing young folks and and
and you know, and and it just it just hurts
my heart.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Now I know it hurts yours too.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Uh you know, as a community, Uh, you know, are
we engaged enough?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Now?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
That may be in one of those questions that people
are what do you mean?
Speaker 7 (38:55):
But I mean again, a lot of us like to
push blame off and kind of moving around to other circles.
So I'm gonna ask you, as somebody who's not afraid
to tell the truth, are we as a community engaged
enough and understand enough about what is really happening in
these streets?
Speaker 4 (39:14):
There's several things, you know, Tal'm about to know who
these people are. Listen, these people did not spawn out
of nowhere, end of monas streets and membents create crime.
I don't care if they got a chisey on or whatever.
You know your son walk, you know your nephew walk.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You know the posture of your family members where you
see them. The question is are we turning blind eyes.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
To situations that we should be intervening in. And there's
another program to heal none on. What we're looking for
is to bringing out and it's called the Green Dot
Active Bystander Program where we're actually empowering individuals to do
something besides pick up a camera when you see something
going on and be able to give you some tips
on something you can do to stop someone else from
being a victim of a crime while also keeping yourself safe.
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So we're looking at rolling out their program and we're
working diligently. Once again, I don't want Memphis to feel
like they are the black spot on the on the map.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Of the United States of America.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
When I'm sitting in these spaces such as DC, there's
individuals from La Detroit, New Orleans, Chicago, Fresno, Richmond, Oakland, Baltimore, DC.
Hey isn't convenient of people all over the nation right
now fighting to get these funding back in their communities
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because they're experiencing the same thing we saw an eight
hundred eleven million dollar cut two weeks ago to this
word that means there was something that was going on,
a bipartisan SAX Community Act that both sides of the
Aisle voted on, but we just seen it drastically removed
in a way that this administration is moving. So we
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understand that other entities have had the ability of getting
those funds back, but it is a fight, and this
is a fight I can't do alone. So I'm glad
to have this national support, understanding the work that we're
trying to do in Memphis, having the support of my
brothers and sister organizations in Memphis, having the ability to
be here this week. I'll be over all week fighting
for the citizens of Memphis, talking to congressional leaders, seeing
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if there's a way that we can.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Advocate ta get these dollars back in our community.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
Before I let you go, I just I just want
to uh to ask you, you know, I've I have
these conversations quite a bit on this radio show and
with other people. It seems as if there's a void,
uh with with with us in terms of of loving
one another as we should, respecting one another as we should.
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It seems like there's there's a big void when it
comes to that. How do we how do we get
back to to to loving each other, you know, for
who we are as people? How do we get into
our children's head that you know what, we love you.
We're not gonna give up on you ever. Uh but
but I mean, so, how do we impart that, you know,
to try to at least instill some sense of something
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within ourselves.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
The best thing I can say, you just answered it.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
When people talk about our communities and talk about underserved,
I don't like the term. I tell them they underlove
and understanding that there is not a religious sector on
planet Earth that doesn't understand that God Allah well, whomever
you identify him, he or she asks that that entity
is an entity of love and loving each other as
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one would want to be treating others the way we
want to be treated as something that is a golden
rule in life. Whether you're an atheist or a Christian,
it don't matter. You want to treat people right. It's
just so happening in our communities. We just don't love
each other. I started every session that I do with
our young men, young people saying I love it, and
I leave that. They can't leave the section without looking
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at each other deadn't I saying I love you? And
the reason I do that is because so many young
people haven't heard other people that they love him. Our
young men is tapped booth for them to hear from
another man.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I love you men. Are we loving on young men
in our community? That young brother lost just like you was.
You remember where you come from.
Speaker 13 (43:15):
And so I don't want us to get some self
righteous that we forget that somebody staved us from the
spaces that we were lost it and you gotta do
it this thank somebody else. I do this because it
was a village of people who fought to save the rip.
So I gotta fight at hall and until the village
comes and stands with us and with me, I'm gonna
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fight like a village by myself.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
Darrel Cowing, ladies and gentlemen, the founder and executive director
of Heal nine on one in Washington, d C. Fighting
for funds to try to save our society and our city. Darrell,
thank you, my friend, for coming on the show, and
thank you for imparting the truth.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
I really appreciate you, really do ship.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's always a pleasure, brother, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
I'll be safe and I can't wait to get back
to stay with some good news and keep staging in lives.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
Saves absolutely my friends, safe travels and and I hope
everything works well for you.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Up there, really do.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Thank you, brother, godspeed you too.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
There you go, ladies and gentlemen. You know, we we
have to realize and we have to understand. We can't
we can't devoid ourselves of what is happening out here.
We can't act as it well, that it's happening over there,
but it's not. It's not affecting me, so I'm not
bothered by it. Well, that is absolutely one hundred percent
not true.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
And I thank the rail for the work that he
does on a daily basis, and I and I also
thank him for all the lives that he has saved
in our community. And let's take one quick final break.
When we come back, we're gonna we're gonna talk legislative
politics with state Representative Tory Harris. This is real Talk Memphis.
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Speaker 3 (46:22):
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Speaker 7 (46:23):
Hey, welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday
evening in the city Chip with you along with.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
My next guest.
Speaker 7 (46:29):
He just completed the twenty twenty five legislative session up
in Nashville, and he's kind enough to join me. Now,
I really wanted to kind of get a bird's eye
view of what happened up there from someone who is
in the room.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Please welcome to the show.
Speaker 7 (46:45):
Stay Representative Torry Harrison Tory's great to see you and
thanks for coming on the show tonight.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 14 (46:49):
Thanks Jip, thank you so much for having me and
glad I was able to make it this week. So yeah,
let's let's run it. Let's see what we can talk
about absolutely that.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
Well, first things first, the just ended, and I kind
of wanted to get your your.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
Take, your over your overall take.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
Of the legislative session this year and if anything at
all was of a benefit to Memphis and Chelby County,
which is the area of course you represent. But but
what were your impressions of the session just ended.
Speaker 14 (47:25):
Yeah, so you know, we have a sixty billion dollar
budget and that is what our goal is to make
sure that we balance this large budget. We've doubled the
budget since my colleague and my colleagues on the Republican
side have taken over. And so for us to have
sixty billion dollars as a budget, you would think that
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a lot of the items that were inside that budget
actually went to really better people, improve homes, improve our infrastructure,
take care of our children.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
But it didn't.
Speaker 14 (47:55):
We ended up starting off the session basically wrong by
going into a special session specifically about vouchers, which, if
you know, most times at most in the past of
the vouchers had affected Shelby County, Knox County, Davidson County heavily,
and then now at this point, since we have went
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from the special session, it now will affect the entire state.
And so that was something that was a huge waste
of dollars. The voucher scam is going to be something
that ultimately we're going to be paying for for years
and years down the line. So to see that as
the beginning of our session leading into things like immigration,
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where we battled an Education committee over and over again
the idea that we should keep children who are considered
immigrants from being able to get up public education that
our constitution provides and allows for them to be able
to get. And so that was something that we had
to work hard to defeat on. I sat and watched
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as we tried to create what I would consider the
back back back on Black d I bill. That was
something that one of our newer legislators pushed forward to
try to make sure that we rolled back d I
not knowing the impact and the effect that it's going
to ultimately make on a lot of individuals.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Those are just some of the.
Speaker 14 (49:19):
Top level things that went on this session, of course,
but we had so much that happened. When you think
about the winds. You mentioned some wins, and we do have.
We did get a few. We got money for University
of Memphis, we got money for downtown, We got money
for some of some crime some crime issues. We got
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some money for some museums. We got money for certain things.
But there was a lot of money that we got
cut on. I think they there was money that we
try to redirect about seventy seven million dollars that we
tried to reallocate from the voucher scam to be able
to try to cover the summer food program, which got
cut and so that that beach children throughout the summer
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who are out of school.
Speaker 7 (50:04):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (50:04):
And we were unsuccessful in getting that piece of it.
We were denied our money for the Memphis Crime Lab funding.
We we got our money for them for more tech.
It's five million dollars in the governor's budget. And then
my colleagues came in and decided they were going to
cut that too. We saw a lot of cuts.
Speaker 7 (50:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, when I listened to
you kind of runt all that down. And I just
it just this is a question that I have asked
repeatedly of some of your fellow Democratic colleagues, and I'll
ask you the same question.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (50:38):
There seems to me to be some sort of an issue,
if you will, with things that are happening here in
Memphison Shelby County.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (50:48):
For example, you mentioned, you know, one of the local
locally they wanted to put a crime initiative on the ballot.
The city council did, and we're threatened with with withholdings
eight income tax if they did not if if if
if they did put that on that referendum on the ballot,
well it went to court and and and and and
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Memphis won that round.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
But but things like that, and I mean, do.
Speaker 7 (51:14):
You see that there is or does there seem to
be I'll just say it like that, uh, some sort
of an issue as pertains to Memphis and Shelby County,
because I promise you it just seems like every time,
uh we bring something before the legislature, Uh, they don't
seem to have a positive attitude about it.
Speaker 14 (51:31):
Yeah, Chip, So I'll be honest, I it makes it's
very hard when I go out of state to other
other places in other cities. For me to say that
I live in Memphis, Tennessee, I typically say Memphis, United States,
because they treat us as though we are own individual area,
uh in a lot of ways, when we're actually one
of the largest tax bases for the state. So you know,
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you think that we would get a lot more resources
and things that we would like to see. But I
was also hold that part of the reason why we
got a lot of our funding cut out of the
budget this year, that some of the money that actually
the governor put.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
In for us got cut.
Speaker 14 (52:10):
And the reason being is because some people disagreed with
our city council and their decisions, and so that was
some of the reasons being. But people come up with
all types of reasons for why they want to cut Memphis.
It's Memphis, it's black people, it's urban area. Of course
they're gonna try to cut it. So that's just something
we just learn how to work with and deal with
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throughout time. But at some point we've got to get
up and figure out how to change that, because the
more we get cut, the more we get attacked.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
The more things happened to Shelby County.
Speaker 14 (52:41):
And it's because our colleagues and areas like East Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
There are more urban, rural areas.
Speaker 14 (52:48):
They don't understand Memphis, and so they try their absolutely
best to do opposite of what it is that we
ask for in our own area.
Speaker 7 (52:56):
I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you while I
have a couple of minutes left here about the Memphis
and Chevy County schools situation to takeover bills, one on
the Senate side by Brent Taylor, the other on the
on the House side by Mark White. Turned out at
the end of the road, they couldn't They couldn't come
together on the consensus of of of of of any
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of that.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Uh what's your take on that?
Speaker 14 (53:22):
Yeah, so, of course glad that it is on holds
right now. What I don't want people to believe or
think that is that the bill is the bill is dead.
I've heard that a few different times, and that is
not the case. The bill is not dead. What happened
is is they couldn't come to a consensus on which
way to go, rather to give the power to us
(53:44):
at the state or give the power to the local
county commission. So instead, they just placed it on hold
and it's sitting in the legislature, so instead of having
to go all the way back and start all over
in a committee, they've already gotten it all the way through.
So basically what they've come up with at this point
is the idea that if the County Commission can work
(54:05):
with the school district to create their own.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Board of some sort to be able to be a
part of the process.
Speaker 14 (54:14):
When it comes to reviewing finances, reviewing the buildings and
the needs of the school, then if we can actually
do the stuff that they are asking for ourselves locally,
then when we come back in January, they won't even
move the bill forward.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
However, if we get back to.
Speaker 14 (54:30):
January and there's no movement at all between now and January,
then I would expect that they would just go ahead
and make a decision on which which version of the
bill they're actually going to support. The bill is not dead,
it's just sitting there, and we're glad about that, but
we've got to make sure that as now the session
is over, I can instead of fighting for the against
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the bill, now I can say to our people, we've
got to make some good decisions and we've got to
hold our saless accountable to make sure that we're giving
our kid it's the best that we can. And so
I think if right now we're on it's on hold.
So that's that's the good part. But it can always
come back in January if we don't meet some kind
of criterias that they feel like we should meet.
Speaker 7 (55:13):
So it's all about us, and that's a very thank
you for that. That's a very honest assessment. Listen, stay,
Representative Tory Harris, thank you man for coming on the
show tonight. I really really appreciate hearing you. I'm gonna
bring you back, especially as we get down into the
legislative session because and thank you for giving us an overview.
A lot of us are not up there. A lot
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of us don't see what you see. So I really
appreciate your insight and your and your thoughts to see that.
Thanks for coming on the show. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (55:42):
Take you here, man, thank you. Well, there you go,
ladies and gentlemen. A view from inside the walls. And
that wraps up this edition of Real Talk Memphis. Brentin
plays us out and I really appreciate you being a
part of the broadcast. As always, Thanks for all my
guests for coming into tonight and talking with us us
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And here we go on this first Monday of a
brand new month, May twenty twenty five, at six o'clock,
straight up, which means it is time for an all
new and live version of Real Talk Memphis. What's good Memphis,
Chip Washington, here your humble host. They're glad to be
back in the airchair after a week and after from
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what I'm being told, a very successful riverbeat at twenty
twenty five. I heard the sixth at the event was
off the chain. They told me, Missy, Missy Elliott just
just just snatched this whole city on Friday night, and
Lolin sitting over that Yeah, she can, she can, she's
she can co sign on that absolutely so success and
congratulations to all the folks who are associated with that
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uh musical extravaganza over the weekend. I heard everything went well,
the weather was pretty good, and everybody had a nice time.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
That is what it is all about.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (01:45):
Well, we are here now of course, for the next hour,
we're gonna give you a little glimpse of what is
happening in and around our communities by doing a little
bit of talking. Uh and of course that we do
this each and every Monday evening at six pm on
this fund radio station. You can catch us a various
number of ways. You know, we're on the tuning app
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as well. We are going to be live streaming this
evening on Facebook Live, so you can check out the
show if that's what you choose to do.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
On my page.
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A little bit later on the next day or two,
the show will be posted and you will be able
to see it later on this week on YouTube or
listen to it rather. And as we are a podcast,
you will be able to get the show wherever it
is you get your podcasts.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
So there you go.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Lots of ways to be informed, stay informed, and check
out Real Talk Memphis. We have a good show for
you tonight, a great lineup of course, unless a Trapman
is going to be my first guest. She is the
executive director of the Claiborne Tempo Restoration project.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Many of us know.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
That that that that pillar of civil rights burnt down
about a week or so ago. It has been declared
a total loss, but hope springs eternal that there might
be something that can be reclimated from this particular project.
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A little bit later on, so she'll talk to us
about all of that. A little bit later on, we'll
be speaking with Darrell Cowen. Drell is the founder executive
director of Heal nine oh one. Ladies and gentlemen, if
you have been paying any attention to what is happening
in and around our community, in our streets, we need healing,
no doubt about that. And Drel is in those streets,
and he understands exactly what is happening out there, and
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he's going to give us his take on what he
thinks we need to do as a community. I said, we,
not you, not just me, not just you, but we,
all of us collectively. He is a solid voice in
our community. And a little bit later on, we're going
to be speaking with State Representative Tory Harris. The legislative
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session just ended about a week and a half ago,
give or take, and I wanted to get his take
as a representative of Memphis and Shelby County, how he
think things went this legislative session, and more importantly, did
Memphis and Shelby County benefit in any kind of way
at all. I think I know the answer to that,
but I'm going to let him talk about that a
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little bit later on. So there you that is our
lineup before this evening. I hope that you are going
to be with us this evening. I hope you're going
to stick around this evening for the next hour or so.
We sit back, relax, get comfortable, and check out the
conversation that we like to engage in around here. Let
me before I even get into the birthdays, which is
(04:37):
coming up here in just a second, I want to
shout out Lola. Lovely Lola performed had a spot at
the river Beat over the weekend, and I heard she
tore it down. She's extraordinarily talented. Said it was just
an amazing, amazing time. So very proud of you. Nice job,
(05:00):
good job on Ed. I really appreciate that her being
a part of all of this, because if you've never
heard her do her thing, you need to check her out.
She's really, really good. So we're really proud of her
and wanted to shout her out. Now, I want to
shout you out. If you're celebrating a birthday today, or
you had one over the weekend, got one coming up
in the next week or so, this is your segment.
This is how we do it here on Real Talk
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Memphysis the shout out. But I can't shout you out
until I ask Brian to hit it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
All.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Right, we have a few birthdays to celebrate today. Sure
many of you are already still celebrating. You're celebrating the
first part of it during the day, and you're going
to celebrate the rest of it tonight. Right, It's Happy Birthday,
is going out the doors stay Happy Birthday. Doris Janika
White is celebrating her birthday today. She is a city councilwoman.
(05:53):
Anna Catherine Word from Maifa celebrating her birthday today. Happy Birthday,
going out to Beverly Rainer to tuggle her setter, and
to Stephanie A Turner and Lola hands. Somebody she wants
to shout out.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Today, sold up, Happy Birthday. So my auntie Ronde James Ford,
her birthday is on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Happy Birthday.
Speaker 9 (06:20):
I love you.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Happy birthday, Ron, Happy birthday to each and every one
of you celebrated today. I hope it's been in the day.
Phil was fun and laughter, and I hope that all
of us here at Real Talk Memphis will be here
next year to celebrate your next trip around the sun.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Thanks Brient.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
So you new the notes today the Tyree Nichols case.
Both the prosecution and the defense team have wrapped up
their case and now the jury's being given final instructions,
hearing closing arguments from both the prosecution and the defense,
and that is going to be continued into tomorrow. So
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I'm thinking maybe it's only Monday. I'm thinking maybe we'll
have a verdict to sometime between now and the end
of the week. But we will stay tuned and we
will see. All right, So all of for all of
you out there who have heard about real ID but
have done nothing about it as of yet, the deadline
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is Wednesday. This Wednesday, May seventh is the deadline to
get your real I D Now let me just say
this to you, don't panic.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
I'll get you through it, okay if you don't.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
If you haven't gotten it yet, and many many, many
many folks haven't gotten theirs yet. It'll be okay if
you have a passport. If you plan on doing any
traveling anytime soon domestically, you need your passport, so keep
that with you until you get your license fixed up
(07:52):
there with that little star Lola you have Okay, she
hain't got hers yet. Yeah, she got a passport. Brin,
you got yours yet, Brian, he's given me that. Nah,
not quiet. Well, I actually got mine. I haven't gotten
my license yet, but I did go through the process.
(08:12):
I got an appointment and I went in and it
took me about maybe twenty minutes to give it take.
I was in and I was out. You can't go
and even think about going now, because first of all,
you can't get an appointment.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
The second thing is it's just way too unless you
plan on spending six seven eight hours in line at
a the DMV office. Lola probably batter eyes and wear
something you know and somewhere, Well, you can do that.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
You can get this anywhere in the state of Tennessee.
You can do that.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
And that's one thing that you don't have to do
if you live here. You don't have to necessarily get
it here, but if you live in the state of Tennessee,
you can take a license a little leisurely drive here.
It's packed everywhere though. But but again, don't panic. If
you don't get it before the seventh, you're good. If
you have to do any traveling after that, keep your
passport with you, of course, and you should be able
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to you should be okay with your I D. But
you do have to get your real ID. Okay, that's
a And then once the seventh comes and goes, I
think the panic will start stopping, you know, kind of
temporarily relax a little bit, and then you may want
to try to go in another maybe two weeks or so,
you know, when things start to ease up just a bit.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
What do you think.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Yeah, So anyway, that's your that's your one reminder from
this show about real I D. River Bend, as I stated,
river beat rather, as I stated, has concluded, and it
was a big success. And once again, congratulation to everybody, uh,
including Lowly Lola for being a part of a very
successful event.
Speaker 10 (09:40):
UH.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Late this afternoon we heard that Youth Villages UH and
the family of Alleged Jones UH, the young lady who
tragically died. Uh in reference to uh uh, some situations
happening with the youth villages. Uh, they came to a
settlement today this afternoon.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Uh. And uh there was no.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Violent act or anything that was attributed to youth villages
in reference to that case. But they did come to
a settlement this afternoon. And of course that takes a
look at news and knows. It seemed like I wanted
to say something else, but that's all right. It may
just pop in my head sometime between now and seven o'clock. Oh,
by the way, I did mention last week that an
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eighteen year old female, Lottoriana Lindsey, was charged with first
degree murder and the shooting death of Anthony Smith down
at tom Lee Park a few weeks back, you know,
after they had the big food food truck festival there.
Happened on April thirteenth. She made a court appearance. Her
bond has been set at one million dollars. Anthony Smith
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was seventeen years of age, and of course the suspect,
Lottiana Lindsay, is only eighteen years of age. So that's
the look at news and not it's on this Monday evening.
What do you say let's go to a break, and
when we come back, let's get into it.
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Shall we.
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It's It's real.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday evening,
Chip with you and UH. I am very happy to
have my first guests, although it comes after a bit
of a tragedy here in our city. Many of us
are very aware of what happened when fire hit the
historic Clayburn Temple about a week and a half or
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so ago and caused extensive damage to what we have
described as a pillar in our community and especially a
pillar UH and a and a figurestone in the civil
rights movement.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
UH.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
The meeting place during the sanitation a workers' strike UH
and back in nineteen sixty eight with doctor King and
many other leaders are strategized on on getting the rights
that people deserved. Well, anyway, now we're left with what
we're left with, and I wanted to talk a little
bit about this, because I said it a week or
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so ago, and I'll say it again. The city's grieving.
Speaker 12 (14:08):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
That that that's a big loss, uh, and from for
many people on many different levels. And I'm very pleased
to have a NASA trout Man. She is the executive
director of Claybord Temple Restoration process project. And Annasi's very happy.
I'm very happy to have you on the show and
I'm very glad you could join me for a few minutes.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
Thank you for being here, appreciate it, of course, of course,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
I saw you on a few interviews not too long
after that fire occurred, and I just kind of wanted
to get your thought process, you know, and because you're
working so closely with it in the midst of a
six million dollar renovation project when all of this happened.
But but, but what kind of effect does this have
or has this had not only on you and your organization,
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but the city as a whole.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Do you think.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
It's been interesting?
Speaker 9 (14:59):
Because there there is two things happening at one time.
There is a lot of grief. One of the things
that really I don't think I will ever forget is
watching people drive up to Clayborn on Monday.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
It's only been a week.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
It was last Monday that the fire happens, And I
was out there from maybe two thirty in the morning
to probably four or five that afternoon. And the number
of people that I saw drive up to the building,
get out of their car, walk up as far as
they could to the police tapeline, and just wail and
(15:34):
cry and hug and ball out.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
There's not an image I'll soon forget.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
And so like, part of what's happening is like a
lot of people are experiencing a very, very very deep grief.
Clayborn Temple was one of the few buildings in the
city that everybody feels like belongs to them because it's
been both a Presbyterian church and an A and E
church and a place for organizing and a place.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
For celebrating and the rotary meetings and.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
All like there's everybody has had has a relationship with
its building. And so there is a Clayborn Temple size
hole in a whole bunch of people's hearts, not just
here in Memphis but across the country. But the other
thing that's happening at the same time is like there
is this resolve and this determination that is happening inside
of people that they are staying like, oh well this,
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We're not We're not gonna let this be the end.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Like we are.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
We are committing to figuring out and making whatever restoration
looks like happen. And so it's almost like people's people's
grief is leading them to this determination to be able
to be a part of the restoration of the building.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
So when you heard and I believe and maybe you
can confirm that the fire department is continuing to investigate this.
They've not come to any solid conclusionship have they in
reference to the.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Cause of the fire.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
No, And part of the problem is because the building
is still not stable. So they're managing like how to
be able to do a full investigation and also make
sure that our first responders remain safe and are not
in dangerous way when it comes to falling bricks or
stones or things like that. So we've been working to
try to stabilize the site so that the investigation can
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be completed.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
So, in reference to the damage that I referred to earlier,
do you see at this particular point where I'm sure
this is an ongoing process it will be for a
while that there is any level of restoration that could
possibly take place in reference to the damage that happened.
Speaker 9 (17:50):
Yeah, I think early Monday morning, I think between our
staff and the Mayor and Chief Sweat at the Fire
Department kind of we all made an agreement to do
everything that we could for as much of the building
to remain as standing as possible. Right, and so like
all do respect and love and gratitude to Mayor Young
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and she Sweat, who really went above and beyond to
make sure that we could preserve as much of the
building as possible. So if y, I mean obviously when
it comes to the sanctuary, there's not much of the
interior left. There's nothing of the interior left of the sanctuary,
but other.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Parts of the building remain.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
But also those fathids, those iconic facades that house the
stained glass that that were the four walls of the building.
We have a lot of that left, and so we
are right now. Our our goal is to preserve as
much as possible and stabilize as much as possible so
that we have options when it we can reimagine the restoration,
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so we have the ability to be able to to
have some latitude, Uh, in terms of what's possible with
the restoration.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
You know, in a world where much of our history
is being stripped away or you know, kind of pushed
off to the side, what is it that you would
want people to know who really don't know and who
really don't understand the history of a Clayburn Temple? Should
what should they know about this storied facility building.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Yeah, so I think Claybroom Temple before it burned with
over one hundred and thirty years old, So there's literally
over a century a century's worth of history in the building.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
But the story that people.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Know the most is that it was the organizing headquarters
for the Sanitational Worker Strike of nineteen sixty eight. And
there are many stories in that story that I think
are important. But when you talk about like the general Republic,
and the reason why other folks think that is important
is because the sanitation worker Strike was the last work
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that King did before he was assassinated. He was in
Memphis to be able to support the sanitation worker Strike,
which was housed in that building.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
And so for me, the reason why.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
That's so significant is because King saw the future of
his movement in Memphis, because he was wrestling with this
idea of like going from just talking about race to
actually talking about a multi racial movement against poverty and
really focusing on what it looked like for us to
transform the economics of our country. And when he heard
(20:32):
about the sanitation workers strike, he thought, this is what
I've been talking about in this right here. If I
can go and help that be successful, then I have
something I can show around the country about what I'm
trying to say.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
And so the fact that the.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
Sanitation workers and Reverend Lawston and Cornelia Crenshaw and so
many others here in the city were created such a
sophisticated conversation with the strike.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Right, they were talking.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
About race, yes, but they were also talking about class
and human dignity and their safety, right, And that is
that was what.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Martin Luther King thought. The future was right here in Memphis.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
And for me, the reason why the building became so
important to me is because I think that that potential
and that pointing toward the future and those lessons for
the rest of the nation are still here in Memphis,
and those stories were living in that building, And to me,
that's why we have to keep going, because because the
telling of that story is still so important because of
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where we are at this moment.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Yeah, I was, yeah, just listening to what you said,
I mean it sounds like I mean, you know, you're
really saying that you know, this is this is this
is history. Uh, and it's still living history today, you know,
even though we understand what it was about. And I'm
to understand that those iconic I Am a Man signs
were put together in Mason, I mean Clayburn Temple as well.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
Right in the basement.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I know.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
I know elders now who I'm friends with who tell
me stories about been being in the basement making those
I of Man signs, those original im of man signs, right.
And I think the thing about history that is so
powerful is not just looking back, but history actually gives
us everything that we need to be able to look
forward towards the future. And if we're not thinking about
(22:20):
our history as teachers for the future, that I think
that we're not contextualizing our history properly.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
What do you think that we as a society, not
just a city, not just the state, but a society,
What have we or what should we have learned in
reference to the history of this particular structure and that
that time in American history.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
Yeah, I've been thinking about Reverend lost in a lot
this week because of the time that I was able
to spend with him. And the thing that he said
to me that I've been meditating on so much is
when he looked me in my face and he said,
I want people to stop saying that we were building
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a civil rights movement, because that's not what we were
working to do.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
What we were.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
Working to do was to build God's kingdom on earth.
And I think that what we have forgotten is that
what King and Cordatior Crenshaw and Idim Wells and all
the people who we hold so dear, what they wanted
to do was to build beloved community. They wanted for
all human beings to experience safety, joy, love, and abundance
(23:34):
and to have a good life. And I think that
we have lost sight of the fact that, like, that's
what everybody wants, all of us still today, we think
about Memphis and we think about, you know, the difficulties
that Memphis is having or has had, and we are
talking about removing the barriers from people having a good life,
to be able to feel safe, to be able to feel.
Speaker 8 (23:56):
Like their kids are going to have what they need to.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Be able to feel like we can connect with each
other as human beings, right to know that our history
and our stories are going to be honored, and that
we can be in space, in spaces where we actually
can look at ourselves and look at each other and
know that we are good, and know that we are right,
and know that we have a right to life.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Right.
Speaker 9 (24:17):
And I want to remind people that that, for me,
is what Claven is about.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
It is about the quest for a good life, the.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
Quest for for us to have no barriers between us
and our future.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
That is what this work is about for me. I
think that's what.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
I learned from Reverend Lawson, Like, yeah, all that, yes,
but what we.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Really desire, what we really desire is community. That's that's
the answer.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Community. Yeah, that that is the answer.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
I before you go, what what can all of us
as a community as a city, who who understands what
what that Claver and Temple meant to so many? What
can we do in reference to this to support whatever
comes comes next?
Speaker 8 (25:10):
Yeah? So I think I have an easy answer and
to have a harder answer.
Speaker 9 (25:15):
I think the easy answer is, like you know, we're
obviously fundraising well constantly and fundraising most so folks want
to support the restoration efforst, they can go to our
website Claiborne dot org and go to the donate page
and like, folks have given five, ten, fifteen, twenty five,
two fifty one thousand, like whatever you can give. But
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what I really really really want is sorry, is that
my fear this week? Because Memphis is a city that
has had a lot of Greece, and we have had
a lot of sorrow here and what I want is
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for this not to become another thing that we have
to hold in terms of that emotion, that that sorrowful emotion.
And so what I really want is for Memphians to
be able to come together and find out what it
requires for us to heal from this. And we've been
thinking at our organization about the ways that we can
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bring people together to have this conversation to think about
like how do we take this moment and transform it
from a thing of pain to a thing that helps
us reimagine not just play warm, but reimagine Memphis. And
so I would love people just to like pay attention
to our socials, to be on our mailing list and
to gather with us when we called, and to gather
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with each other and start to have the conversations about
what is going what is it gonna take for Memphis
to become a healed city, for Memphians to be healed people,
and for us to be taking care of each other
in the way that I think the sanitation workers were
calling us into. And so yes, we would happy to
take your donation, happy to be able to take that
that those those dollars and levers in for the future
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of the building.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
But what I'm really concerned about is the future of
of us.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
The future of the people who live here and the
people the future of the people whose ancestors hold those stories.
So many people I met this week who was like
my daddy, my Granddaddy's sanitation workers are so many. And
those folks whose whose family made that building as significant
and iconic as it is deserved to be able to
feel whole and to be able to feel well and
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to feel healed, and to have those stories be able
to help them move forward into the future in a
meaningful and beautiful way.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
And that's a troutman, Ladies and gentlemen. Executive director of
Claiborne Temple Restoration Project and NASA. It's great to talking
with you this evening. I'm glad you may teach you.
I'm glad you made time to be with us in
our audience today. And God bless you on your on
your on your pursuit of this. In the future, we
will wait and watch and see and yeah, I believe
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what you believe.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
You know.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
We need to we need to get our voice, and
we need we need to get together. We need to
be together as a community, and we need to stop
all the all the all.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
The answer, the answer to every issue in the history
of humanity is community. There is no thing that can
stop us if we are together. It's just we have
to do it.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
You have to do it.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Community. Thank you so much. Well, God bless you. Thank
you for coming on the show tonight. I really appreciate.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
You than you take care of anytime.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Buh. There you go, ladies and gentlemen. It's all about
community at the end of the day, it really is.
And we thank ANSSA for coming on the show tonight
and really talking with us about all of this. We're
going to take a break and when we come back
we will continue on this edition of Real Talk Man
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Speaker 5 (30:35):
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Speaker 7 (30:40):
And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday
evening in the city.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
You know, we uh many of us are very well
aware of what is going on in our cities, in
our communities today, and it seems as if there's a
bit of a dark cloud over the city with some
of the incidents and some of the things that are happening.
I wanted to invite a young man who on this show,
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who has devoted his time and his energy to helping
to improve the station of so many people, especially our
young folks out here in this community. He's very well
thought of, he's very well known, and he's not afraid
to use his voice. That's why I like you having
him on this show. Please welcome to the show, k
(31:26):
Durrell Cowen. He is the founder and the executive director
of Heal nine on one and Durrell is coming to
us from Washington, d C. Which makes us even more special.
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
It's good to see. How are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Is a pleasure to be on the line with you.
To night Ship.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I respect you the platform and shout out to the
citizens of Memphis. I know that we have had some
dog days recently. I'm just here and pleased to be
in this space to share a conversation with you.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Well, thank you for that as always.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
You know it really when we get to points like
this and we've seen an increase in some of the activity,
the negative activity in and around our communities. But what
troubles me the most is the fact that so many
of these incidents are being caused not only being caused by,
but there are victims of and they're all young people.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I mean, there's so many young people.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Under the age of eighteen who are becoming victims as
well as suspects in some of these crimes. Derell and
I just don't and I know you and I know
your passion for all of this, and I just kind
of wanted to get your take on on what you're
seeing and what we have seen, especially in the last
month here in our city.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
So I got a cool fold answer for that. Am
I aware of what's going on? Am I understanding the
severe state that we're in. Am I understanding the pressure
and the pain of the citizens of Memphis that are
affected by this that have nothing to do with it.
Am I feeling the pain of the parents and guardians
who are losing their babies to gun violence of the
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city of Memphis. I'm not oblivious. I fill it up
and I'll be remiss if I didn't say what I
can say that it's going on. What I can say
is you see the current administration, Marry Young and his team,
They're They're putting a lot of people in place, and
I know, to the citizens, what does these people mean? Well,
when when you have a problem that this being, we
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have to have systems in place to be able to
monitor the progression that we are making when it comes
to making progress in the space. So having directed Darren
Goods now being in the office the special right next
to the Mayor, keeping him updated, we got the Joint
Office that is up now. I want people to understand this.
The Joint Office still has to wait until a funding
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cycle to have funding to be able to fund some
of the work that they see. So understanding there are
systems in place that this county and the city have
both invested in. But now we're into budget season and
this is the most crucial time because it's about how
much are we going to put in the budget towards
this work. And I love the work that I do.
I love the impact that we're making. I love being
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able to help families. I had a dad just reach
out to me recently about his son because he needed
some help.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So I don't want the month TIMEE to be this.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Only single moms and things that no, no, no, no, it's
some dual family homeswork. Dad is heavily involved and they're like, no, no, no,
we need some help with our baby. So just understanding
that it's a long road ahead, and honestly, it's going
to take resources, and I know people.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Tired of hearing about money, but I'm being honest.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
For me to consistently run around the country to find
funding to be able to do the work that I do,
that's a lot of pressure on me, understanding that there's
a great need of the city. But we got some
dollars in the city of Memphis that can aid towards
this work. So I'm making philanthropy the churches and businesses
to support these type of efforts as recently. I'm in
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DC right now because two weeks ago on Tuesday, organization
that lost one point four million dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
In this world.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Wow, that I was going in Memphis during the contract.
So there's things that's happening federally just having an effect.
That's what we're seeing a decrease in numbers from last
year because of the work that me, my brothers at
Block Squad, my brothers and sisters at Memphis Allies. We're
all working diligently. But when we see funding slights federally,
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now we're scrambling. How do we continue to maintain the
efforts of the decrease that we.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Solve last year.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Yeah, you know, I think, uh, and then hearing that
and that's very honest the assessment of things. I mean,
obviously it takes funding to be able to put on
programs and the organizations like you just yours and ones
that you just mentioned as well.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Uh, but we're seeing this, uh, we're seeing this.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Uh, this trickle down effect from the from the highest
levels of federal government, Uh, cutting and slashing and doing
everything else. You know, as you said, you're out there
trying to get funding for these organizations. People really need
to understand that this is kind of a multi level
situation that we're talking about here, and in order for
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you to be able to fund some of the programs
that you do to help so many young people out
around here. You need that funding, and you really need
our city to sort of take a step back, especially
with the month we just had in April. We need
to really take a step back and look at look
at the big picture. Not run from the big picture,
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but look at the big picture, and and say to ourselves,
as you just said, you know here in our city,
we need to maybe redirect our resources in a way
that will be more of a benefit rather than a hindrance.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Am I right about that?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Most so, as we're gearing up these bases in the
city government and county government to be able to fund
this work on a continual basis, I want to be
clear there's continual funding moving forward, but we have to
understand and we're in a situation where we got to
stop the bleeding in Memphis right now, and with the dire.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Situation in Memphis.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Just want to share some figures, And I know that
your audience is very well educated and well diverse group,
so I just want to be clear the national number
that they're saying that should be invested in this type
of work in Memphis strictly for intervention on the ground.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Level is fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
But with the pat that's the national dollar.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But with the epidemic that we're experienced in the mephis,
it's going to take a surplus of another ten million
dollars on top of it to be able to hit really,
really hard to get the results that we need to
be able to move forward. And I'm looking forward to
continue these conversations with these new leaders that are very
serious about this work. Mary Young, even Mary Harris, even
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though he's at the end of his term, he's very
serious about the public safety issue that's going on. So
understand that we do have their support. It's just making
sure that the individuals in the city leadership outside of
the man, the individuals at the counter Commission and City Council,
as well as the philanthropy understands that we are a
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conjunction or groups of individuals that are making great, great
impact when it comes to the valid crime and Memphis.
We have to sustain it and it shouldn't be on
the organization so much. On that sustainability.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
You know, you use the term a minute ago that
we're in a dire situation here.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
We're losing a generation.
Speaker 13 (38:33):
Man.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
I mean every time uh, you know, I get I
get a news flash about you know, another tragic event
that is happening, and we're losing young folks and and
and you know, and and it just it just hurts
my heart.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Now I know it hurts yours too.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Uh you know, as a community, Uh, you know, are
we engaged enough?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Now?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
That may be in one of those questions that people
are what do you mean?
Speaker 7 (38:55):
But I mean again, a lot of us like to
push blame off and kind of moving around to other circles.
So I'm gonna ask you, as somebody who's not afraid
to tell the truth, are we as a community engaged
enough and understand enough about what is really happening in
these streets?
Speaker 4 (39:14):
There's several things, you know, Tal'm about to know who
these people are. Listen, these people did not spawn out
of nowhere, end of monas streets and membents create crime.
I don't care if they got a chisey on or whatever.
You know your son walk, you know your nephew walk.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You know the posture of your family members where you
see them. The question is are we turning blind eyes.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
To situations that we should be intervening in. And there's
another program to heal none on. What we're looking for
is to bringing out and it's called the Green Dot
Active Bystander Program where we're actually empowering individuals to do
something besides pick up a camera when you see something
going on and be able to give you some tips
on something you can do to stop someone else from
being a victim of a crime while also keeping yourself safe.
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So we're looking at rolling out their program and we're
working diligently. Once again, I don't want Memphis to feel
like they are the black spot on the on the map.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Of the United States of America.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
When I'm sitting in these spaces such as DC, there's
individuals from La Detroit, New Orleans, Chicago, Fresno, Richmond, Oakland, Baltimore, DC.
Hey isn't convenient of people all over the nation right
now fighting to get these funding back in their communities
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because they're experiencing the same thing we saw an eight
hundred eleven million dollar cut two weeks ago to this
word that means there was something that was going on,
a bipartisan SAX Community Act that both sides of the
Aisle voted on, but we just seen it drastically removed
in a way that this administration is moving. So we
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understand that other entities have had the ability of getting
those funds back, but it is a fight, and this
is a fight I can't do alone. So I'm glad
to have this national support, understanding the work that we're
trying to do in Memphis, having the support of my
brothers and sister organizations in Memphis, having the ability to
be here this week. I'll be over all week fighting
for the citizens of Memphis, talking to congressional leaders, seeing
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if there's a way that we can.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Advocate ta get these dollars back in our community.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
Before I let you go, I just I just want
to uh to ask you, you know, I've I have
these conversations quite a bit on this radio show and
with other people. It seems as if there's a void,
uh with with with us in terms of of loving
one another as we should, respecting one another as we should.
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It seems like there's there's a big void when it
comes to that. How do we how do we get
back to to to loving each other, you know, for
who we are as people? How do we get into
our children's head that you know what, we love you.
We're not gonna give up on you ever. Uh but
but I mean, so, how do we impart that, you know,
to try to at least instill some sense of something
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within ourselves.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
The best thing I can say, you just answered it.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
When people talk about our communities and talk about underserved,
I don't like the term. I tell them they underlove
and understanding that there is not a religious sector on
planet Earth that doesn't understand that God Allah well, whomever
you identify him, he or she asks that that entity
is an entity of love and loving each other as
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one would want to be treating others the way we
want to be treated as something that is a golden
rule in life. Whether you're an atheist or a Christian,
it don't matter. You want to treat people right. It's
just so happening in our communities. We just don't love
each other. I started every session that I do with
our young men, young people saying I love it, and
I leave that. They can't leave the section without looking
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at each other deadn't I saying I love you? And
the reason I do that is because so many young
people haven't heard other people that they love him. Our
young men is tapped booth for them to hear from
another man.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I love you men. Are we loving on young men
in our community? That young brother lost just like you was.
You remember where you come from.
Speaker 13 (43:15):
And so I don't want us to get some self
righteous that we forget that somebody staved us from the
spaces that we were lost it and you gotta do
it this thank somebody else. I do this because it
was a village of people who fought to save the rip.
So I gotta fight at hall and until the village
comes and stands with us and with me, I'm gonna
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fight like a village by myself.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
Darrel Cowing, ladies and gentlemen, the founder and executive director
of Heal nine on one in Washington, d C. Fighting
for funds to try to save our society and our city. Darrell,
thank you, my friend, for coming on the show, and
thank you for imparting the truth.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
I really appreciate you, really do ship.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's always a pleasure, brother, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
I'll be safe and I can't wait to get back
to stay with some good news and keep staging in lives.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
Saves absolutely my friends, safe travels and and I hope
everything works well for you.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Up there, really do.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Thank you, brother, godspeed you too.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
There you go, ladies and gentlemen. You know, we we
have to realize and we have to understand. We can't
we can't devoid ourselves of what is happening out here.
We can't act as it well, that it's happening over there,
but it's not. It's not affecting me, so I'm not
bothered by it. Well, that is absolutely one hundred percent
not true.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
And I thank the rail for the work that he
does on a daily basis, and I and I also
thank him for all the lives that he has saved
in our community. And let's take one quick final break.
When we come back, we're gonna we're gonna talk legislative
politics with state Representative Tory Harris. This is real Talk Memphis.
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Speaker 3 (46:22):
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Speaker 7 (46:23):
Hey, welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday
evening in the city Chip with you along with.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
My next guest.
Speaker 7 (46:29):
He just completed the twenty twenty five legislative session up
in Nashville, and he's kind enough to join me. Now,
I really wanted to kind of get a bird's eye
view of what happened up there from someone who is
in the room.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Please welcome to the show.
Speaker 7 (46:45):
Stay Representative Torry Harrison Tory's great to see you and
thanks for coming on the show tonight.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 14 (46:49):
Thanks Jip, thank you so much for having me and
glad I was able to make it this week. So yeah,
let's let's run it. Let's see what we can talk
about absolutely that.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
Well, first things first, the just ended, and I kind
of wanted to get your your.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
Take, your over your overall take.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
Of the legislative session this year and if anything at
all was of a benefit to Memphis and Chelby County,
which is the area of course you represent. But but
what were your impressions of the session just ended.
Speaker 14 (47:25):
Yeah, so you know, we have a sixty billion dollar
budget and that is what our goal is to make
sure that we balance this large budget. We've doubled the
budget since my colleague and my colleagues on the Republican
side have taken over. And so for us to have
sixty billion dollars as a budget, you would think that
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a lot of the items that were inside that budget
actually went to really better people, improve homes, improve our infrastructure,
take care of our children.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
But it didn't.
Speaker 14 (47:55):
We ended up starting off the session basically wrong by
going into a special session specifically about vouchers, which, if
you know, most times at most in the past of
the vouchers had affected Shelby County, Knox County, Davidson County heavily,
and then now at this point, since we have went
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from the special session, it now will affect the entire state.
And so that was something that was a huge waste
of dollars. The voucher scam is going to be something
that ultimately we're going to be paying for for years
and years down the line. So to see that as
the beginning of our session leading into things like immigration,
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where we battled an Education committee over and over again
the idea that we should keep children who are considered
immigrants from being able to get up public education that
our constitution provides and allows for them to be able
to get. And so that was something that we had
to work hard to defeat on. I sat and watched
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as we tried to create what I would consider the
back back back on Black d I bill. That was
something that one of our newer legislators pushed forward to
try to make sure that we rolled back d I
not knowing the impact and the effect that it's going
to ultimately make on a lot of individuals.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Those are just some of the.
Speaker 14 (49:19):
Top level things that went on this session, of course,
but we had so much that happened. When you think
about the winds. You mentioned some wins, and we do have.
We did get a few. We got money for University
of Memphis, we got money for downtown, We got money
for some of some crime some crime issues. We got
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some money for some museums. We got money for certain things.
But there was a lot of money that we got
cut on. I think they there was money that we
try to redirect about seventy seven million dollars that we
tried to reallocate from the voucher scam to be able
to try to cover the summer food program, which got
cut and so that that beach children throughout the summer
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who are out of school.
Speaker 7 (50:04):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (50:04):
And we were unsuccessful in getting that piece of it.
We were denied our money for the Memphis Crime Lab funding.
We we got our money for them for more tech.
It's five million dollars in the governor's budget. And then
my colleagues came in and decided they were going to
cut that too. We saw a lot of cuts.
Speaker 7 (50:24):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, when I listened to
you kind of runt all that down. And I just
it just this is a question that I have asked
repeatedly of some of your fellow Democratic colleagues, and I'll
ask you the same question.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (50:38):
There seems to me to be some sort of an issue,
if you will, with things that are happening here in
Memphison Shelby County.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (50:48):
For example, you mentioned, you know, one of the local
locally they wanted to put a crime initiative on the ballot.
The city council did, and we're threatened with with withholdings
eight income tax if they did not if if if
if they did put that on that referendum on the ballot,
well it went to court and and and and and
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Memphis won that round.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
But but things like that, and I mean, do.
Speaker 7 (51:14):
You see that there is or does there seem to
be I'll just say it like that, uh, some sort
of an issue as pertains to Memphis and Shelby County,
because I promise you it just seems like every time,
uh we bring something before the legislature, Uh, they don't
seem to have a positive attitude about it.
Speaker 14 (51:31):
Yeah, Chip, So I'll be honest, I it makes it's
very hard when I go out of state to other
other places in other cities. For me to say that
I live in Memphis, Tennessee, I typically say Memphis, United States,
because they treat us as though we are own individual area,
uh in a lot of ways, when we're actually one
of the largest tax bases for the state. So you know,
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you think that we would get a lot more resources
and things that we would like to see. But I
was also hold that part of the reason why we
got a lot of our funding cut out of the
budget this year, that some of the money that actually
the governor put.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
In for us got cut.
Speaker 14 (52:10):
And the reason being is because some people disagreed with
our city council and their decisions, and so that was
some of the reasons being. But people come up with
all types of reasons for why they want to cut Memphis.
It's Memphis, it's black people, it's urban area. Of course
they're gonna try to cut it. So that's just something
we just learn how to work with and deal with
(52:32):
throughout time. But at some point we've got to get
up and figure out how to change that, because the
more we get cut, the more we get attacked.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
The more things happened to Shelby County.
Speaker 14 (52:41):
And it's because our colleagues and areas like East Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
There are more urban, rural areas.
Speaker 14 (52:48):
They don't understand Memphis, and so they try their absolutely
best to do opposite of what it is that we
ask for in our own area.
Speaker 7 (52:56):
I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you while I
have a couple of minutes left here about the Memphis
and Chevy County schools situation to takeover bills, one on
the Senate side by Brent Taylor, the other on the
on the House side by Mark White. Turned out at
the end of the road, they couldn't They couldn't come
together on the consensus of of of of of any
(53:18):
of that.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Uh what's your take on that?
Speaker 14 (53:22):
Yeah, so, of course glad that it is on holds
right now. What I don't want people to believe or
think that is that the bill is the bill is dead.
I've heard that a few different times, and that is
not the case. The bill is not dead. What happened
is is they couldn't come to a consensus on which
way to go, rather to give the power to us
(53:44):
at the state or give the power to the local
county commission. So instead, they just placed it on hold
and it's sitting in the legislature, so instead of having
to go all the way back and start all over
in a committee, they've already gotten it all the way through.
So basically what they've come up with at this point
is the idea that if the County Commission can work
(54:05):
with the school district to create their own.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Board of some sort to be able to be a
part of the process.
Speaker 14 (54:14):
When it comes to reviewing finances, reviewing the buildings and
the needs of the school, then if we can actually
do the stuff that they are asking for ourselves locally,
then when we come back in January, they won't even
move the bill forward.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
However, if we get back to.
Speaker 14 (54:30):
January and there's no movement at all between now and January,
then I would expect that they would just go ahead
and make a decision on which which version of the
bill they're actually going to support. The bill is not dead,
it's just sitting there, and we're glad about that, but
we've got to make sure that as now the session
is over, I can instead of fighting for the against
(54:52):
the bill, now I can say to our people, we've
got to make some good decisions and we've got to
hold our saless accountable to make sure that we're giving
our kid it's the best that we can. And so
I think if right now we're on it's on hold.
So that's that's the good part. But it can always
come back in January if we don't meet some kind
of criterias that they feel like we should meet.
Speaker 7 (55:13):
So it's all about us, and that's a very thank
you for that. That's a very honest assessment. Listen, stay,
Representative Tory Harris, thank you man for coming on the
show tonight. I really really appreciate hearing you. I'm gonna
bring you back, especially as we get down into the
legislative session because and thank you for giving us an overview.
A lot of us are not up there. A lot
(55:34):
of us don't see what you see. So I really
appreciate your insight and your and your thoughts to see that.
Thanks for coming on the show. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (55:42):
Take you here, man, thank you. Well, there you go,
ladies and gentlemen. A view from inside the walls. And
that wraps up this edition of Real Talk Memphis. Brentin
plays us out and I really appreciate you being a
part of the broadcast. As always, Thanks for all my
guests for coming into tonight and talking with us us
and don't touch that down, ladies and gentlemen. Speaking of brand,
(56:04):
he is Uh. He's at the mic here in about
a minute or two for his show, Event Rioting He
brings it. Man, I'm telling you, Una, he gonna be.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
A fixed star around this joint.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
You guys.
Speaker 7 (56:15):
I know you guys listen to the show and you
hear me propping them. My daughters said, Dad, I need
to hear a friend show you crap him up all
the time. I'm like, yes, that do That's my guy. Anyway,
sat your Memphis for being a part of what we try.
Speaker 5 (56:26):
To do here each and every Monday evening. I really
appreciate you. If you like what we do.
Speaker 7 (56:31):
Uh, continue to support us and more importantly, tell folks
about Real Talk Memphis. It's the place to be Monday
night from sixty seven pm for.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
All of us.
Speaker 7 (56:40):
Here a real Talk Memphis for a lovely Lola, for
a brand like I said. He'll be up in just
a minute with event Horizon and yours truly trip heave
a wonderful week. Please be safe, Please be careful out there,
watch out for yourself, and.
Speaker 5 (56:52):
Watch out for other folks. And until next time, we
are out peace,
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