March 31, 2025 • 57 mins
Episode Notes My guests include Dr. Christopher Davis, President of LeMoyne Owen College. He is reviving this historic HBCU and its recruitment efforts by forming a partnership with TN SW Community College. He shares with me how this came about and why it’s so important for students wanting the HBCU experience without leaving home. Next, when President Trump decided to dissolve the Department of Education many of us don’t know what that really means and more importantly, what it will mean for the future of education in this country and your public schools. Brian Stephens is the founder of Caissa K12 and an expert source on public schools. He breaks down how this decision will impact school districts nationwide, statewide and locally. Finally, we are all affected by high prices and inflation these days none more so than the farmers. Thomas Burrell is a farmer and the president of Black Farmers and Agriculturalists Association which is fighting for the rights of Black Farmers, their heirs and administrators who are being discriminated against the USDA. He tells me why this fight for justice is even more necessary today. That and more on air and online Monday, 6 pm on WYXR 91.7 FM. Also, WYXR.org, Tunein, Facebook Live, YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. It’s time to talk!
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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Monday edition of Real Talk Memphis.
I am your host, your humble host. My name is
Chip Washington. Glad to be with you today on an
absolutely glorious Monday evening.
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Considering what we dealt.
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With last night, Boy boy, oh boy, I hope you
didn't get affected too badly by those big storms that
rolled through the area. Enjoy today, I hope you did
enjoyed tomorrow. I hope you will, because on Wednesday we
do it all over again with more rain, more thunderstorms,
more wind, and it seems like that is going to
be the beginning of what could be a flood event.
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And by the time we get to Sunday, forecasters are
saying we can see up to ten inches of rain
on already saturated That spells a lot of trouble. But
we will keep an eye on that and we will
pray that everyone comes out of that safely. But first
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So there you go.
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In terms of a lineup tonight, Yeah, we have a
good show, I think. First up, we're going to be
talking to the president of Lemoyne Owen College. His name
is doctor Christopher Davis, and he's going to share with
us some of the big things happening in our local HBCU,
plus a partnership with his school in Tennessee, Southwest Community College.
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A little bit later on, we are going to be
speaking with Thomas Barrell. Thomas as the president of the
Black Farmers Agricultural Association, and he's going to be talking
with us a little bit about settlements that have come
to black farmers from dealing with the USDA. And also
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I'm curious to find out how these tariffs that the
President is implementing are going to affect our farmers as well,
So we'll get into that and a little bit later on,
we talked to Brian Stevens Cassia twelve k K through
twelve founder that is an educational unit.
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Apparently is a is an expert on all things local, statewide,
and national. You know, the President decided that he was
going to dissolve the Department of Education. Well for many folks,
what does that mean exactly what will it mean for
the various departments loans and education as a whole. Well,
Brian will talk to us about that a little bit
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later on in the show. So there as you run down,
and I hope, like again, like I said earlier, that
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Trip around this. Thanks Brent.
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All righty, let's take a look, shall we at some
news and notes and of course something that hit us
this afternoon, late this afternoon, in reference to someone that
many of us know from the food world, and that
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is Billy Richmond. Of course we're talking about the wing guru. Well,
he is in some trouble ladies and gentlemen, in reference
to some money he owes various individuals. So we're talking
about money fraud and and up to the total of
several thousand dollars. And you know, he was the one
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that had a deal with John Morant and paid him
a little at the front on the front end, but
didn't pay him at all after that, and Josh sued
to get his money back. So yeah, it's a tough,
tough situation there. We'll keep an eye on it and
find out what happens to Billy Richmond.
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In other news, the measles.
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Ladies and gentlemen, A lot of you probably did not
contact contract to beat measos. Many of you probably did
when you were younger, a lot younger. I know I did.
I had measles and chicken pox when I was a
very young lad. Well, the measles are making a comeback,
of course in Texas. The state of Texas has seen
a big outbreak, as has New Mexico. Well, we have
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seen our first confirmed case of the measles here in
Shelby County that happened last Thursday. The patient is recovering
and public health officials are working to identify others who
may have been exposed as well. The measles, in case
you didn't know, highly highly, highly infectious. They can just
you can just blow on somebody to literally breathe on
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somebody or coff in the area or whatever somebody walks through.
They are likely very susceptible to get it. And of
course it is spreads through the air when an infected
person coughs or talks or even sneezes. So you know
that brings one word to mind, ladies and them, and
that a lot of you hear in Memphis and Shelby
County don't want to hear vaccinations, So if you might
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want to pay attention to that, because you know, if
you have little ones running around the house, and you
know how kids are, they all up in everybody's face.
So just be careful and watch out because the measles
has made its way to Memphis and Shelby County.
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Let's talk about.
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Matter for a minute, shall we. Well, you know we
told you about a month ago that the former deputy CEO.
But car Maldlin was on leave and being investigated in
reference to some financial issues basically using the company credit
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card to charge a lot of personal items and a
lot of other things, and she was being investigated. Well,
she was fired from the company on Friday after, as
I said, being on leave following the discovery of several
questionable charges on her company credit card. Come to find
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out that before she came to Memphis, I believe she
worked in somewhere in Georgia at a transportation transit company
and was fired from that company for the same type
of financial issues. So the current folks who are in
charge transpro have a lot of work to do to
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restore public confidence and to you know, hopefully bring matter
where it should be in serving our public and our community.
And in a very surprising move for many of us,
the Grizzlies fired head coach Taylor Jenkins. I'm sure everybody
knows after six seasons that also happened on Friday, nine
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games to go in the season, fighting for playoff position.
They're in the playoffs right now, but they're fighting for
you know, where they're gonna fall in order here of course,
they played the Lakers over the weekend and lost. They
play Boston Celtics tonight, they played the Golden State Warriors tomorrow,
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and so yeah, I mean, this is a very precarious
time for the Grizzlies. Their general manager came out Saturday
and gave like a literally two minute presentation to the
media as to why he fired Jenkins. All he said was,
it was my decision and my decision only. He didn't
consult with the players, he didn't consult up with the owners.
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He did it well, he consulted with somebody. And a
lot of noise you're starting to hear now is because
John Morant did not like the offense that the team
was being run that was running now currently. He wasn't
getting enough shots and and some other things that were happening.
There's some inside drama, drama, drama, but anyway, he is
gone and has been replaced by one of the assistants
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for the remainder of this season. Gog Grizzlies go. Uh,
we have to we have to. We have to see
how all of this plays out as we get into
the playoffs. But there's like, what about eight games left
in the season, so this is a very puzzling move. Uh,
that is a oh and one more piece of news here.
You remember the rapper that was shot and killed right
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down the street here in front of the Western Hotel
the last week. His name was say So p Well.
The individual that police were looking for in connection with
that murder was found dead this weekend in Houston. Load
the squawk which he heard that one. The other individual
who was with mister Dandridge, who was the accused, is
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being sought and he is still at large. That is
a look at news and notes. Let's take a break,
and when we come back, let's get into this thing,
shall we on a lovely Monday evening in the city.
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Speaker 5 (15:27):
It's real, It's real, and welcome back to Real Talk
Memphis on this Monday evening in the city.
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Chip with you. Glad you are with us if you
are with us.
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This evening, and I am very happy to have our
first guest tonight. He is a man who is well accomplished.
Ladies and gentlemen. He is the senior pastor of Saint
Paul Baptist Church. And oh, by the way, he is
the current president of Lemoine Owing College. He is doctor
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Christopher Davis and doctor Deed.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It is good to see you. How are you all
this well? Ship you man?
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I'm doing good so and I'm so happy that you
could take some time to come be with us on
the show this evening.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Been about a year or so since I've seen you.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
How long have you been at the school now.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Let's see nineteen months?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
About nineteen months? Has time flown by?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Listen, I'll tell you what It is, moving faster than
I can keep up.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Man, I tell you what you're doing. An amazing job
over there.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
You know, one of the things that I wanted to
talk with you about first and foremost in the nineteen months,
and you had a very ambitious agenda the first time
I talked to you, not too long after you had gotten.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
To the school.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
How have things gone for you in terms of expectation
what you set out to look to do. It's been
nineteen months now, where do things stand on your radar
in terms of all of that?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Listen, Kip, I'm excited.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
We are trending in the right direction, of course, all
those things that we've not completed at all, but all
those things that we set out to do eighteen months ago. Listen,
we are moving in a direction. We've had some things
to happen relatively quickly, and other things we've simply laid
the foundation for, and we anticipate that those things will continue.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
To move in our favor.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Well, you know that's always a good thing, you know,
is this school is the pride and joy, of course
of our city in terms of our HBU colleges and
universities across the country. One thing I know that you did,
and I apologize now I didn't get you on the
last time we talked about this, but this partnership that
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you all have forged with Tennessee Southwest Southwest Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Community College.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Talk a little bit about that from the le moine
Owing perspective and how important this can be for both
us rules absolutely ship.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I tell you what it does a number of things
for us.
Speaker 11 (18:05):
It allows us, to be quite frank with you, it
allows us to continue to live in a narrative that's
supported that is normally associated with lamoing, but it allows
us to do it in a responsible way. By then
what I mean is a is you know, historically, the
narrative around HBCUs has always been for young men and
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women of color who could not go to other institutions,
they could always come to La Mowing. Well, here's the
challenge with that. When Lamoon and other institutions were founded,
those students were being denied admissions because of the color
of their skin, not because of their lack of academic preparation.
But somewhere along the way that narrative shifted and the
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attitude became one of if we can't get into any
other school for academic reasons, we can go to Lamoe
and On.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And the truth of the mattery.
Speaker 11 (18:56):
Is, well, I believe every young man and woman all
have an opportunity to go to school.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Lamon and only does not have.
Speaker 11 (19:01):
We don't have the capacity or the resources in many
instances to help those students get to where they need
to be.
Speaker 12 (19:09):
Well.
Speaker 11 (19:09):
The wonderful thing is most people don't recognize it, but
Southwest Tennessee Community College is a PBI. It is a
predominantly black institution, which means they get funding just like
we do to help in those underserved communities. As a
matter of fact, they get significantly more funding than we do.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And so I was having a conversation with.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
Doctor Hall around enrollment, and so she just says, for
the matter of factory that her enrollment was down, and
I said, do you know why?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
She said, what do you mean?
Speaker 11 (19:38):
I said, because a lot of the students that you
could really help are at Lamona in college.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And she said, say more. And that led.
Speaker 11 (19:46):
Into the conversation in terms of she has the resources
the capacity to help those students get to where they
need to be to complete the back of lary degree.
So we decided we're going to create a pathway that uh,
those students who applied to La Moynowen who were not
academically reated to a teen I'm going to give them
a pathway directly.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
To the southwest.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
Doctor Hall and her team are gonna are gonna get
them built up, gonna give them the foundation that they
they can complete an associate's degree along the way and
then come to Lamon and and complete the back of
Art degree.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
You know, having said what you just said there and
how all of this came about, and it really is
uh something extraordinarily important for our young people. This is
giving people, uh a real opportunity. As you said, they were,
their attendance, you know, was a bit low.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And you know, of course, you know, having been in
a position to be able to collaborate, this does one
a couple of things. First, again, it extends the educational
opportunities for many of our young young black folks out here.
Uh and and and and two gives them a sense
of what it is like to be on a historically
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black college or university, in your case, college, because there
is something, as you well know, that is very special
about an HBCU.
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Is it not absolutely in terms of because one of
the things that students discover is when they hear us
talk about HBCUs, we like to use the word family.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We're a family. We're a family.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
And when they when they get there, what they discovery
is that's true that in terms of that we really
are family, and that we are invested.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Only and see it to it that you succeed.
Speaker 11 (21:37):
Because the truth of the matter is, you know, let's
lean into the old advertisement for the United Negro College
for oftentimes, when you're the first one to go, you
don't just go for yourself, but you go for the
entire family.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
For the entire community.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeah, and I think that that's that's very very important.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
My son goes to Tennessee Southwest Community College, and he
was very excited about this opportunity and you know, really
to continue his education. And I think he's he's very
much you know, looking forward to that. Uh, you know,
and even when you look at it like this, when
you look at it as a business model, how much
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I'll tell anybody, of course, out you know all you know,
you know, of course, my youngest graduating from college in
a few weeks. My wife and I were fortunate all
of our kids were able to go and go to
school on scholarship, and we thank.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
God for that. But here's the reality. I tear parents.
Speaker 11 (22:30):
I don't encourage parents to bring their keys to lament
Owen and borrow a nickel to send their keys to
the moan Owen. If you graduated from a Tennessee high school,
let your kids go to Southwest for free for two years,
give an associate's degree, then come to.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Lamon one and take advantage of your financial aide and
so forth.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It just makes good sense, you know, with all of
the challenges that doctor Davis that we are seeing in
this country with this new administration and a lot of
other things that are sort of anti what what you
all are trying to do in upper education.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Does it present.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
More of a challenge to you in respect to the
fact that in a lot of circles, you know, many
folks don't really necessarily want to see our kids rise
up and succeed as as as as as they once
once did back.
Speaker 12 (23:28):
In the day we chill.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Let me say this.
Speaker 11 (23:31):
I tell people, I think this is going to be
a defining moment for HBCUSKY because the reality is it
is going to force some of our best in our
brightness to recognize that regardless togains that even though we've
made tremendous advancement, the truth of the mattery of many
of them will still not be welcomed and affirmed and
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pwis And so I'm excited because what that means is
that we can bring that talent back to HBCUs They
help us stript in our brand, help us raise our
profile and really sort of live into with our four
parents envisioned when they took Nichols and Dimes and started
these institutions.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
You know you have before I get I mean, you
have a special event that is happening. I guess it's
pretty soon.
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Now.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It's called an investiture over there at the Collage.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
So that is third of the case. It's on good Friday,
on April eighteen.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (24:32):
The investiture is at ten o'clock that Friday morning at
the Orphium. It's free and open to the public. You know,
I certainly want to see all of niffits show up.
And then of course that night we've got the gala
at the Convention Center at seven, which is a fundraiser
for the Endowment for the institution.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
A little group called After Seven. I was told a
little birdie told me he's going to be the premier
entertainment that night.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Am I correctly ready or not?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I'll give you everything.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
No, you didn't know, Okay, all right, very good on that. Well, listen,
you know, we're very proud of you. The enthusiasm and
the energy that you bring to leading Lemoyne On College
is paying off, and I'm sure it's going to pay
off even more in the future.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
And we wish you nothing but the best of luck.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
And look, you always invited back, come back and give
us some updates on things as time moves forward, as
you as you quickly move toward your agenda, fulfilling your
agenda and some of the things that you want, and
more importantly, the excellence of the students that go to
and graduate from La moyna On College.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Sir, I really appreciate you you coming on to that.
I really do. Thank you.
Speaker 12 (25:44):
Hope.
Speaker 13 (25:45):
My plan is to come back in August to tell
you about our new honors program, to tell you about
record enrollment, and to tell you about two new facilities
that we have opened that we anticipate on finalizing sometime
within the next thirty days or so.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
That's what I'm talking talking about. Doctor Christopher Davis, the
president of lemoine On College. Thank you, sir for coming
on the show tonight. Thank you for everything that you
do for our students and for our community. God bless you.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Thank you. Man.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Okay, take care there you go, ladies and gentlemen. Boy,
there's an agenda there, he said, he's coming back.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Man.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
They got a lot of plans. They got up.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Enrollment in this partnership that they have with Tennessee Southwest
Community College is going to pay great benefits to both schools.
Are so proud of all of the folks involved in
this and of course at Lemoine, oh in college our HBCU.
Let's take a break for when we come back, we
will continue on this Monday ride, on this beautiful Monday
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evening in the city.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I'm chipped. Don't go anywhere, We'll be right back.
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Speaker 4 (28:55):
And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday
evening in the city. Chip with you.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I hope that you are with us this evening and
enjoying the broadcast so far. You know, many of us
have heard in this new administration, the presidential administration, that
one of the things that the President wanted to do
was to get rid of the Department of Education, basically
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disassemble it.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Dissolve it in the whole nine yards.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
But the question is for many of us, what exactly
does that mean, you know, in terms of a lot
of the programs that they have, the grant programs and
a lot of other things that the Department of Education houses.
I know, I guess the purpose of this is to
return it back to the States. Every state does things differently. Well,
in any event, I wanted to bring in someone who
(29:46):
is an expert in all of this. He is the
founder of K twelve. He is mister Brian Stevens. And
Brian is great to see you, to meet you, and
I have you on this show tonight. Thanks for being here.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 12 (30:03):
Well, well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 16 (30:04):
I've heard your show a lot because as a Memphian,
you know, I'm around this neck of the woods, even
though we have a national presence, so it's always fun
to speak to somebody local. And I'm really thankful, uh, Chip,
that you are working to educate everyone on on this
chaos that's happening.
Speaker 12 (30:20):
So thanks for that.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah, absolutely that And so you know, from from your perspective,
and I think I think for for for for me
looking at this, well, the first thing is besides, what
does that mean? And we live in Tennessee. All states
do things different, all things have different, you know, perspectives
on all of this as you look at this from
the local perspective, the state wide perspective, and nationally, what
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are some of the things that come to your mind?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And does this concern you in any way?
Speaker 16 (30:49):
Well? Well, I think that asking what the impact on
on on people, it's realize, I think that's the most
important question. I love that you asked with that, right,
because there's a lot of fear, a lot of concern
out there and there and there should be because it's
such a mysterious thing. Right, So let's talk about the
short term impact. Short term nothing, there's no impact other
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than concern in fear.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
But I do have some serious concerns.
Speaker 16 (31:13):
But maybe I should start off with kind of explaining
what the Department of Education does and why there's no
short term impact.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Can that be helpful?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yebo? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (31:21):
Okay, So.
Speaker 16 (31:23):
First off, and my mother called me, right she's in Florida,
and she goes, wait, they're getting rid of education. No,
that's not what they're talking about, right, So the Department
of Education, its first.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
Year into being was nineteen eight.
Speaker 16 (31:37):
Well, clearly we had public education before nineteen eighty, right.
So the issue is is is there are underlying laws
that the Department of Education on the federal level is
supposed to enforce, right, and so the question is if
the department goes away, who's going to enforce those laws.
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So let's kind of make this real to people. So
free and reduced lunches. I was a kid on free
and reduced luncheon. There's a lot of people in the
Shelby County area that are on free and reduced lunches.
That doesn't come from the Department of Education. It actually
comes from the USDA, the Department of Agriculture. So they're
still going to get free and reduced lunches.
Speaker 12 (32:17):
No change to that. But there are certain laws that
are pretty important to us as a nation.
Speaker 16 (32:22):
So think the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, right,
Title nine very important.
Speaker 12 (32:29):
We're a sports town man. Title night's pretty important.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Right.
Speaker 16 (32:33):
These are laws that were around before the Department of
Education and are still going to be around even if
they get rid of the Department of Education. Which, by
the way, I have a scene, I have a crystal
ball in my office. They're not getting rid of the
Department of Education. We're going to talk about that if
you want to.
Speaker 12 (32:49):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 16 (32:50):
You heard it here probably last right, But if they
do get rid of the Department of Education, that's a
big if somebody still has to enforce these laws.
Speaker 12 (33:00):
And so what I would want to know is.
Speaker 16 (33:02):
Well, the President, well, Congress, well Republican you know majority
in the House, who's going to enforce the Civil Rights Act,
which I think is a pretty important law, right, who's
going to do the Americans with Disabilities Act?
Speaker 12 (33:14):
Who's going to enforce that?
Speaker 9 (33:15):
So?
Speaker 16 (33:16):
And then and then if it's not going to be
the Department of Education, who And so that's my first
year of concern is we got to make sure these
laws are enforced.
Speaker 12 (33:24):
And then secondarily is what I think that.
Speaker 16 (33:27):
Every person should watch long term, is to make sure
that the federal government does not try to mess around
with those underlying laws, which I think are so critical.
And no one's talking about that right now. No one's
talking about getting rid of any of these laws.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
So, but do you think that that is something that
could happen down the road, Well, you know, you.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Know, I'm a I'm a lawyer. By trade and uh,
you know in a psychologist.
Speaker 11 (33:51):
Right.
Speaker 16 (33:52):
So I look at this from kind of two aspects
of legally, everything could be undone if a if a
congressional body passed the law, they can undo a law.
But in order to get rid of the Department of Education,
you've got to get approval from Congress also, right, and
that takes two Democratic senators two. That makes it a
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pretty big bridge to cross right now. Right, But even
if they were to get that, just to dissolve a
department in order to change the civil rights law, that
is a bridge right now, that is way way too far.
But it doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to pay
attention to it. I just don't want to get everyone
all stressed out about it. We should just stay vigilant
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and pay attention to it. I think there's no no
one is ever indicated right now, as of today, March
thirty first, no one has said that they want to
undo any of those laws.
Speaker 12 (34:42):
I think that's important to say so, including the president.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, so you say you also said earlier that you
know people because people are wondering about these the kids
say meals, the kids getting fed, you know, the snacks
and the food programs, And you don't see that being
disturbed right now, because quite honestly, and not only a
city with a high poverty rate in the state that's
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got its own sets of problems, that is a very, very,
very big deal for a lot of folks, I would think.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (35:11):
And the federal government in general gives about eight to
twelve percent of the overall school budgets across the nation.
I think it might be as much as fourteen percent
in Memphis and Shelby County, and a big portion that's
free introduced lunches. And once again, not the Department of Education.
I know it's a shocker, right, Like I had to
go look that up too. It's like it's an Apartment
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of Agriculture.
Speaker 12 (35:34):
So that's good. But as far as like disability.
Speaker 16 (35:37):
Issues, grants for like college pelgrants and all that, no
one's talking about getting rid of that funny. But I
do worry about a transition time causing a lot of confusion.
So if they try to determine like instead of the
Department of Education enforcing that law, the Department of Justice does, well,
how quick can that transition go on to make sure
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that all those laws are taking care of the four
So right now.
Speaker 12 (36:03):
That's what I would pay attention to. So, look, there's
not going to be any change right now.
Speaker 16 (36:08):
No one should should get concerned about sending their kids
to Mifis Shelby County School sexture. They absolutely should do that.
It's a great school system. It really is a great
school system. And so let's it's a big urban district
with a lot of problems for sure, right but these
are problems that every school district with a big urban
high poverty rate district would have. Every every major city's
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facing tough issues. But there's not going to be any change.
But our legislatures and our school board should look at
those those laws on time, and I just I can't
in order to uncork those like you'd asked man a
man the up people on trying to get rid of
the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, which.
Speaker 12 (36:51):
Was around before the Department of Education will be around after.
That's that's what I would just pay attention to.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
That's very interesting that you said that.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I think a lot of people and I guess you
can ask different people about this, the thoughts and opinions
about education as a whole in the state of Tennessee.
We've heard a lot lately from the local perspective about
you know, underperforming this and a lot of other challenges
(37:22):
that we're going on. But since you do this kind
of for a living, how do you what do you
see when you look at just this, look at look
at our state as a whole in terms of the
quality of education overall that we are providing our young
our young our young youngsters. How would you how would
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you break that? Are we doing a decent job, are
we doing a fair job, are we doing a poor job?
Speaker 15 (37:47):
Or what?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
What do you see?
Speaker 11 (37:48):
I think?
Speaker 16 (37:49):
I mean you're opening up a can of worms, right,
And I'm gonna try to keep it focused because I
just my latest book is all on allowing public schools
to have the eat them to compete more and to
do more more creative teaching so they can create problem
solvers instead of test takers.
Speaker 12 (38:06):
But remember public schools did not ask to become test takers.
Speaker 16 (38:11):
But that is the way that we judge them, right,
We judge them by standardized tests. Okay, And as an
industrial psychologist and a lawyer, I'll tell you that tests
are bias, right, And I think it's important to understand
that we take every student in every family with where
they are and where they start. So my daughter growing
up in Mephis and Shelby County, we're blessed she has
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a mom a dad, but we also will get her tutor.
Speaker 12 (38:39):
We have money, we have means to help augment her
education dollar right.
Speaker 16 (38:43):
And I remember talking with people when we had the
two school districts, Memphis and Shelby County, right, and suburbans
were like, look, Brian, we only spend the numbers are
a little off. We spend twelve thousand dollars per student
into the Shelby County School District and Memphis space seventeen
and we're getting better students.
Speaker 12 (39:00):
And I go time out.
Speaker 16 (39:02):
You and the suburbs have more money. You take your
kids to more places, you take them to the zoo.
You educated, and you get a tutors. You're going to
read to them. I was raised by that single mom
who was trying to put food on the table, who
didn't have time to do all that, and could pay
to augment my education. So the students in poverty their
education dollars exactly what the district can provide. So we
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can't judge apples to apples on this stuff. You know,
if if you're a little kid and you're nervous about
getting hit up by a gang on the way home,
and that's real I was as a child.
Speaker 12 (39:33):
This was in Lake from Florida.
Speaker 16 (39:36):
You got to take my test scores from where I
started and what how I improved, But don't base them
off of some kid that has the luxury of a
silver spoon in their mouth their entire life. So I'm
I'm just being real. So do I think that mifhis
Shelby County is doing a good job, Yes, yes I do.
Could they always do better?
Speaker 12 (39:54):
Absolutely?
Speaker 16 (39:55):
Do they need more resources to make sure that they're
you're providing all the complimentaries services for the students to need.
Speaker 12 (40:02):
Yes, right, should we do do better?
Speaker 16 (40:04):
Yes, But when you're talking about a big urban area
hundred thousand students, yeah, it's tough, man, it's tough. And
I just think we got to be real about that.
And just what I like to get in every school
district is improvement. And I'm not going to beat them
down because their test scores are lower than some other
school district that's already starting.
Speaker 12 (40:24):
It's it's this whole adage. You're born on third base.
Speaker 16 (40:26):
But you think you hit a triple right, right, I
don't know, you know, and so and so I was,
you know, if you're born on home plate, let's get
you to first, then let's get you a second.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
So I think it's a I think it's a tough job.
Speaker 16 (40:36):
And I think we need to be more positive and
real about what we what we want from our school system.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
If a final question, if you had a meeting if
the if they just for example, if the memphisis Chevy
County school Board wanted to meet with you about with
your expertise and your background in all of this about Okay, Brian,
just lay it out.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
What can we do better?
Speaker 16 (41:00):
What what?
Speaker 5 (41:01):
What do you see that needs to be done. You
mentioned the challenges, you mentioned the economic challenges. You mentioned
the backgrounds of where certain kids come from versus other children.
And it's unrealistic to to to to expect, you know,
one with resources more resources than the other, and and
and put them on the same plane. But but how
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could how could they how could they do their job
better to support all of our youngsters?
Speaker 16 (41:29):
Well, and I don't know what their exact key performance
indicators are, but what I recommend in general to any
school district. Right is you got to get it down
to three key performance indicators. There is what the community wants, right,
not what a federal government or a state government wants
or somebody from timber to What does this community want
to see with their students, right? And I would really
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focus then on delivering that. And I guarantee you that
that people want their child to be safe and success.
So those are two indicators. You just got to refine
exactly what those are and then the and then another
thing they should do is get in lockstep on what
they need from the national government, what they need from
the state government, and what they need from the local
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county government to get those key performance indicators met. And
I guarantee it's always about improvement, not about you know,
I remember when the Achievement school district came on. We're
gonna take the bottom five and make them the top five. Well,
of course they're gone now because it's unrealistic.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Goal.
Speaker 16 (42:27):
Give me some good, attainable, realistic goals and just tell
the community that's what you're going after because that's what
they want, and be unapologetic.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
Brian Stevens, Ladies and gentlemen, the founder of CASA k
through twelve. Brian is this has been a good conversation
and there's a lot here to digest. I really appreciate
you taking the time to come on the show tonight
and kind of lay things out for us. And you're
welcome back anytime. Man, Thank you for coming, Chip, thanks
for having me.
Speaker 12 (42:56):
Remember, don't panic anyone.
Speaker 16 (42:57):
But let's just pay attention to those laws and see
if they're going to try to change any laws. Not.
Speaker 12 (43:04):
The Department of Education necessarily got you.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Got you, Brian, Thank you so much. Man, I appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
All right, there you go, Ladies and gentlemen, Yeah, pay attention,
pay atten, stay engaged in this and just watch and see.
As he said, the laws are what you really want
to pay attention to. Let's take our final breaking when
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Speaker 5 (45:11):
And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday evening.
Glad to have you with us, and glad to have
my next guest with us. You know, I like fighters.
I like folks who whoo, who take the to take
the bull by the horn and step into battle.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Uh fired up and ready to go.
Speaker 16 (45:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
My next guest is a young man. His name is
Thomas Barrell.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
He is a farmer and he is the President of
Black Farmers and Agriculturalist Association.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
They have been fighting quite honestly for the rights of
black farmers for a very long time.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
And he joins me now, Thomas is great to see you.
How are you tonight? Chip here again? Thank you for
having us.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
We're in good health and excellent spirits.
Speaker 5 (45:57):
So you know last time I had you on and
it's been a minut this that you've been on with me.
But you know, the fight continues against the USDA, who
have for many years discriminated against the black farmer. And
of course you have seen some success in this. So
I should ask you at the start, as of today,
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where things stand now in terms of the black farmers
and your battle with the USDA. Where do things stand
and where do black farmers stand in this country from
your perspective?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Well, here again, I'm going to start with that latter
questionship and work my way back. Where do we stand today? Unfortunately,
in nineteen twenty there were nine hundred and twenty five
thousand black farmers. Today twenty twenty five they are less
than twenty thousand. We own twenty million acres of land
at that time around the country. Today we own less
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than three million acres of land. So when you say fight,
it has literally been a fight in every quarter. More, particularly,
the Department of Agriculture has been charged and found guilty
and even admitted that a majority of the losses that
(47:14):
I just explained are the result of systemic discrimination by
that agency when they denied block farmers' loans, sharecroppers loans,
and other credit benefits to make their farming operations viable.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Chip.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
That is a very troubling statistic that you just gave
us all here, and clearly, obviously the fight continues. You know,
this current administration, I don't know how friendly they are
toward towards your cause. I don't think probably the dance
would be not very But you know, as time goes
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along here with this new administration and times in particular
and this terrort situation. Now, I saw a story not
too long ago interviewing farmers generally, and I know it's
bad for farmers, but it has to be based on
what you just said, even worse from the discriminatory aspect
for black farmers.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Talk a little bit about that, if you will.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yes here again, when we talk about discrimination, there has
been a constant line of discriminatory agencies. And it almost
has nothing to do for the lack of a better phrase,
with an administration, whether it's the Republican, whether it's the
ex the z black farmers have received basically an unfavorable
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treatment for over one hundred and fifty years. Now why
that is, we don't know, but to make a long
story short, the discrimination continues, and we are hoping that
because we have a lawsuit pending, which is one of
several lawsuits that have been filed against the Department of Agriculture,
we're hoping that this latter lawsuit, which is now currently
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at the six Circuit Court of Appeals. There have been
about ten billion dollars billion with a b CHIP paid
out over the last twenty five years, but it doesn't
seem to stop and act as a deterrent against USDA.
That agency has an unsatisfiable an insatiable appetite for discriminating
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against African Americans and particularly black farmers and landowners. And
to your point, we have to keep the fight going.
And so we are a membership organization. We represent basically
farmers and more particularly CHIP, we represent the sons and
daughters and the grandsons and granddaughters are black farmers. These
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sons and daughters live in Chicago and New York and
Melfas in Atlanta, and they have an interest still in
land in Mississippi, in Georgia and North and South Carolina,
and interestingly enough, Chip, a lot of these young people
now who did not grow up on a farm are
showing more of an interest in getting back into agriculture
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than perhaps their parents and grandparents. So this association is
going to be a surrogate. In other words, when they
come back, they're going to need an apprentice. They're going
to need someone to hold their hands. That it were,
because the existing institutions land grant colleges, no pun intended,
have not done a good job and creating a favorable
(50:26):
environment for African American farmers who are currently in the
business ship for those the sons and daughters who want
to get into this lucrative it is a lucrative business.
To your point about terriffs and the terrorists are doing
a lot of things, but this administration has guaranteed white farmers,
in particular, over thirty billion dollars in subsidy payments to
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offset whatever short term ailment and or sacrifices these farmers
will make while this tariff ship, as it were, is
making the turn.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
You know, listening to what you said, and I think
I've read something to the effect that it took you
a long time to even get the courts to pay
attention to this, to this act. I mean, it took
a long time for you even to get to the
place where you are now. I believe you said the
sixth Circuit Court involved in this. Uh. This really has
(51:23):
been and it sounds to me from listening to you
like an uphill battle all the way. And it still
seems like it's a bit of an uphill battle. But
you are fighting, and people are paying a little bit
of attention, more attention now than they did before that
you're starting to get people to pay it to notice
exactly what this is all about and how this has
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to change.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
You're right, and interestingly enough, as I said, there's for
whatever reason, and God bless you know those who are
now uh and people what shows like yours are bringing
attention to this problem. For years and years and years,
there was a misplaced aggression against farming. You mentioned the
word farming in any corner in the African American community,
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and that was a black box.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
We turned it off.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
But here people are understanding and developing an appreciation for
the business side of this industry and how it is
an important factor in the overall economy and has been,
and more specifically, what does it mean for trade. Keep
in mind, Thomas Jefferson in eighteen oh two doubled the
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size of this United States when he made a purchase
we called the Louisiana Purchase. This country is only fifteen
years old when he made that purchase, but he gave
France fifteen million dollars. Where did he get those dollars
from Chip to give a country that had been in
business a thousand years. He got it because this country
was flush with cash, and that cash came from cotton
(52:57):
and from individuals in the South of Mississippi, African Americans
who made a contribution to this country. So when the
president says he wants to make this country great again,
we'll send fine, but we want you to do one thing.
Make sure you recognize those people Chip who made it
great in the first instance. We cannot allow this set
(53:18):
mellistration or any other group to make sure or forget
the contributions that our grandparents and great great parents made
to make this economy the number one economy on the planet,
a thirty trillion dollar economy. We're glad that you want
to make it again, but make sure you recognize those
people who made it great in the first place.
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Well, ill, and well, I'll tell you what you know.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
With you at the helm as you have been for
many years now, people are listening and you're making them listen.
And you know, we hope that the fight continues long
after you're gone. Next generations. Folks, keep fighting, keep fighting.
That's the only way we're going to change things.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Thomas.
Speaker 5 (53:59):
I really appreciate you the work that you do on
a daily basis, but really I appreciate you coming on
the show tonight and really opening folks eyes. A lot
of people who probably did not know and have not
heard a lot about what you were talking about, but
they have now. And you know, we're gonna do our
part to make sure that your message doesn't get lost
(54:19):
to the folks that need to hear it. And I
really appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Thank you, Chip for allowing us to privilege your time
as well on behalf of the members of the Block Farmers.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
We appreciate you sir.
Speaker 5 (54:28):
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate you man. Take good care,
and thank you for coming on the show tonight. Really
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (54:33):
All Right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. You know,
you gotta fight for something, you're gonna fall for anything.
You got to stand for something or you're gonna fall
for anything. And I love organizations like this one, and
I love Thomas for doing what he does each and
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I should remind folks that next week we're gonna go
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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Monday edition of Real Talk Memphis.
I am your host, your humble host. My name is
Chip Washington. Glad to be with you today on an
absolutely glorious Monday evening.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Considering what we dealt.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
With last night, Boy boy, oh boy, I hope you
didn't get affected too badly by those big storms that
rolled through the area. Enjoy today, I hope you did
enjoyed tomorrow. I hope you will, because on Wednesday we
do it all over again with more rain, more thunderstorms,
more wind, and it seems like that is going to
be the beginning of what could be a flood event.
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And by the time we get to Sunday, forecasters are
saying we can see up to ten inches of rain
on already saturated That spells a lot of trouble. But
we will keep an eye on that and we will
pray that everyone comes out of that safely. But first
things first, glad to have you with us this evening.
I think I have a good show for you tonight.
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We hope you think so as well. We will talk
about who is going to be with me in just
a couple of minutes. But how do you get this
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podcasts as well.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
So there you go.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
In terms of a lineup tonight, Yeah, we have a
good show, I think. First up, we're going to be
talking to the president of Lemoyne Owen College. His name
is doctor Christopher Davis, and he's going to share with
us some of the big things happening in our local HBCU,
plus a partnership with his school in Tennessee, Southwest Community College.
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A little bit later on, we are going to be
speaking with Thomas Barrell. Thomas as the president of the
Black Farmers Agricultural Association, and he's going to be talking
with us a little bit about settlements that have come
to black farmers from dealing with the USDA. And also
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I'm curious to find out how these tariffs that the
President is implementing are going to affect our farmers as well,
So we'll get into that and a little bit later on,
we talked to Brian Stevens Cassia twelve k K through
twelve founder that is an educational unit.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
And then this guy.
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Apparently is a is an expert on all things local, statewide,
and national. You know, the President decided that he was
going to dissolve the Department of Education. Well for many folks,
what does that mean exactly what will it mean for
the various departments loans and education as a whole. Well,
Brian will talk to us about that a little bit
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later on in the show. So there as you run down,
and I hope, like again, like I said earlier, that
you stick with us and stick and stay as we
like to say. But first, we always celebrate the birthday.
You know, it's not an easy task these days to
stick around another trip around the sun for your birthday.
But for those who have and for those who are celebrating,
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who have celebrated over the weekend, celebrating today, this is
your shout out, ladies and gentlemen. But we can't do
it unless I say hit it.
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Brian.
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It's always nice when you can celebrate another birthday. Happy
Birthday today is going out to Wickney, Washington, Ars nineties
up there in.
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Los Angeles, California.
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Happy birthday, Lincoln, Happy birthday to Kathy su Donaldson, Vincent
guy celebrating his birthday today. Happy birthday Robin Smith.
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Sure wait a.
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Minute, Robin Robin Smith Yoto, Sorry, I knew something was
wrong there. And Teresa and trussa back Tim it's her
birthday today as well.
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And ladies and.
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Gentlemen, just when you're starting, was safe to come back
to your radio.
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Lola's suffering up to the.
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Mountain, Lola, just because I forgot to say this on
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Happy Hamiley birthday to Nipsey Huffle.
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There you go, absolutely yeah, after living the Nipsey House
is a great, great, great perform So listen, if you
celebrated the birthday over the weekend, are you celebrating one today?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
And are you celebrating one this week? From all of
us here deal talks.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Ever, if we want to issue a very very very happy,
happy happy birthday, we hope to be with you next
year for your next.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Trip around this. Thanks Brent.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
All righty, let's take a look, shall we at some
news and notes and of course something that hit us
this afternoon, late this afternoon, in reference to someone that
many of us know from the food world, and that
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is Billy Richmond. Of course we're talking about the wing guru. Well,
he is in some trouble ladies and gentlemen, in reference
to some money he owes various individuals. So we're talking
about money fraud and and up to the total of
several thousand dollars. And you know, he was the one
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that had a deal with John Morant and paid him
a little at the front on the front end, but
didn't pay him at all after that, and Josh sued
to get his money back. So yeah, it's a tough,
tough situation there. We'll keep an eye on it and
find out what happens to Billy Richmond.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
In other news, the measles.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Ladies and gentlemen, A lot of you probably did not
contact contract to beat measos. Many of you probably did
when you were younger, a lot younger. I know I did.
I had measles and chicken pox when I was a
very young lad. Well, the measles are making a comeback,
of course in Texas. The state of Texas has seen
a big outbreak, as has New Mexico. Well, we have
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seen our first confirmed case of the measles here in
Shelby County that happened last Thursday. The patient is recovering
and public health officials are working to identify others who
may have been exposed as well. The measles, in case
you didn't know, highly highly, highly infectious. They can just
you can just blow on somebody to literally breathe on
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somebody or coff in the area or whatever somebody walks through.
They are likely very susceptible to get it. And of
course it is spreads through the air when an infected
person coughs or talks or even sneezes. So you know
that brings one word to mind, ladies and them, and
that a lot of you hear in Memphis and Shelby
County don't want to hear vaccinations, So if you might
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want to pay attention to that, because you know, if
you have little ones running around the house, and you
know how kids are, they all up in everybody's face.
So just be careful and watch out because the measles
has made its way to Memphis and Shelby County.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Let's talk about.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Matter for a minute, shall we. Well, you know we
told you about a month ago that the former deputy CEO.
But car Maldlin was on leave and being investigated in
reference to some financial issues basically using the company credit
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card to charge a lot of personal items and a
lot of other things, and she was being investigated. Well,
she was fired from the company on Friday after, as
I said, being on leave following the discovery of several
questionable charges on her company credit card. Come to find
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out that before she came to Memphis, I believe she
worked in somewhere in Georgia at a transportation transit company
and was fired from that company for the same type
of financial issues. So the current folks who are in
charge transpro have a lot of work to do to
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restore public confidence and to you know, hopefully bring matter
where it should be in serving our public and our community.
And in a very surprising move for many of us,
the Grizzlies fired head coach Taylor Jenkins. I'm sure everybody
knows after six seasons that also happened on Friday, nine
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games to go in the season, fighting for playoff position.
They're in the playoffs right now, but they're fighting for
you know, where they're gonna fall in order here of course,
they played the Lakers over the weekend and lost. They
play Boston Celtics tonight, they played the Golden State Warriors tomorrow,
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and so yeah, I mean, this is a very precarious
time for the Grizzlies. Their general manager came out Saturday
and gave like a literally two minute presentation to the
media as to why he fired Jenkins. All he said was,
it was my decision and my decision only. He didn't
consult with the players, he didn't consult up with the owners.
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He did it well, he consulted with somebody. And a
lot of noise you're starting to hear now is because
John Morant did not like the offense that the team
was being run that was running now currently. He wasn't
getting enough shots and and some other things that were happening.
There's some inside drama, drama, drama, but anyway, he is
gone and has been replaced by one of the assistants
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for the remainder of this season. Gog Grizzlies go. Uh,
we have to we have to. We have to see
how all of this plays out as we get into
the playoffs. But there's like, what about eight games left
in the season, so this is a very puzzling move. Uh,
that is a oh and one more piece of news here.
You remember the rapper that was shot and killed right
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down the street here in front of the Western Hotel
the last week. His name was say So p Well.
The individual that police were looking for in connection with
that murder was found dead this weekend in Houston. Load
the squawk which he heard that one. The other individual
who was with mister Dandridge, who was the accused, is
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being sought and he is still at large. That is
a look at news and notes. Let's take a break,
and when we come back, let's get into this thing,
shall we on a lovely Monday evening in the city.
I'm Chip, you know where you are. Let's take a
quick break. This is real talk, mephis Let's go. We'll
be right back.
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Speaker 5 (15:27):
It's real, It's real, and welcome back to Real Talk
Memphis on this Monday evening in the city.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Chip with you. Glad you are with us if you
are with us.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
This evening, and I am very happy to have our
first guest tonight. He is a man who is well accomplished.
Ladies and gentlemen. He is the senior pastor of Saint
Paul Baptist Church. And oh, by the way, he is
the current president of Lemoine Owing College. He is doctor
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Christopher Davis and doctor Deed.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
It is good to see you. How are you all
this well? Ship you man?
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I'm doing good so and I'm so happy that you
could take some time to come be with us on
the show this evening.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Been about a year or so since I've seen you.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
How long have you been at the school now.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Let's see nineteen months?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
About nineteen months? Has time flown by?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Listen, I'll tell you what It is, moving faster than
I can keep up.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Man, I tell you what you're doing. An amazing job
over there.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
You know, one of the things that I wanted to
talk with you about first and foremost in the nineteen months,
and you had a very ambitious agenda the first time
I talked to you, not too long after you had gotten.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
To the school.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
How have things gone for you in terms of expectation
what you set out to look to do. It's been
nineteen months now, where do things stand on your radar
in terms of all of that?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Listen, Kip, I'm excited.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
We are trending in the right direction, of course, all
those things that we've not completed at all, but all
those things that we set out to do eighteen months ago. Listen,
we are moving in a direction. We've had some things
to happen relatively quickly, and other things we've simply laid
the foundation for, and we anticipate that those things will continue.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
To move in our favor.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Well, you know that's always a good thing, you know,
is this school is the pride and joy, of course
of our city in terms of our HBU colleges and
universities across the country. One thing I know that you did,
and I apologize now I didn't get you on the
last time we talked about this, but this partnership that
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you all have forged with Tennessee Southwest Southwest Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Community College.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Talk a little bit about that from the le moine
Owing perspective and how important this can be for both
us rules absolutely ship.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I tell you what it does a number of things
for us.
Speaker 11 (18:05):
It allows us, to be quite frank with you, it
allows us to continue to live in a narrative that's
supported that is normally associated with lamoing, but it allows
us to do it in a responsible way. By then
what I mean is a is you know, historically, the
narrative around HBCUs has always been for young men and
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women of color who could not go to other institutions,
they could always come to La Mowing. Well, here's the
challenge with that. When Lamoon and other institutions were founded,
those students were being denied admissions because of the color
of their skin, not because of their lack of academic preparation.
But somewhere along the way that narrative shifted and the
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attitude became one of if we can't get into any
other school for academic reasons, we can go to Lamoe
and On.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And the truth of the mattery.
Speaker 11 (18:56):
Is, well, I believe every young man and woman all
have an opportunity to go to school.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Lamon and only does not have.
Speaker 11 (19:01):
We don't have the capacity or the resources in many
instances to help those students get to where they need
to be.
Speaker 12 (19:09):
Well.
Speaker 11 (19:09):
The wonderful thing is most people don't recognize it, but
Southwest Tennessee Community College is a PBI. It is a
predominantly black institution, which means they get funding just like
we do to help in those underserved communities. As a
matter of fact, they get significantly more funding than we do.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And so I was having a conversation with.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
Doctor Hall around enrollment, and so she just says, for
the matter of factory that her enrollment was down, and
I said, do you know why?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
She said, what do you mean?
Speaker 11 (19:38):
I said, because a lot of the students that you
could really help are at Lamona in college.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And she said, say more. And that led.
Speaker 11 (19:46):
Into the conversation in terms of she has the resources
the capacity to help those students get to where they
need to be to complete the back of lary degree.
So we decided we're going to create a pathway that uh,
those students who applied to La Moynowen who were not
academically reated to a teen I'm going to give them
a pathway directly.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
To the southwest.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
Doctor Hall and her team are gonna are gonna get
them built up, gonna give them the foundation that they
they can complete an associate's degree along the way and
then come to Lamon and and complete the back of
Art degree.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
You know, having said what you just said there and
how all of this came about, and it really is
uh something extraordinarily important for our young people. This is
giving people, uh a real opportunity. As you said, they were,
their attendance, you know, was a bit low.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And you know, of course, you know, having been in
a position to be able to collaborate, this does one
a couple of things. First, again, it extends the educational
opportunities for many of our young young black folks out here.
Uh and and and and two gives them a sense
of what it is like to be on a historically
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black college or university, in your case, college, because there
is something, as you well know, that is very special
about an HBCU.
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Is it not absolutely in terms of because one of
the things that students discover is when they hear us
talk about HBCUs, we like to use the word family.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We're a family. We're a family.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
And when they when they get there, what they discovery
is that's true that in terms of that we really
are family, and that we are invested.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Only and see it to it that you succeed.
Speaker 11 (21:37):
Because the truth of the matter is, you know, let's
lean into the old advertisement for the United Negro College
for oftentimes, when you're the first one to go, you
don't just go for yourself, but you go for the
entire family.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
For the entire community.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeah, and I think that that's that's very very important.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
My son goes to Tennessee Southwest Community College, and he
was very excited about this opportunity and you know, really
to continue his education. And I think he's he's very
much you know, looking forward to that. Uh, you know,
and even when you look at it like this, when
you look at it as a business model, how much
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I'll tell anybody, of course, out you know all you know,
you know, of course, my youngest graduating from college in
a few weeks. My wife and I were fortunate all
of our kids were able to go and go to
school on scholarship, and we thank.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
God for that. But here's the reality. I tear parents.
Speaker 11 (22:30):
I don't encourage parents to bring their keys to lament
Owen and borrow a nickel to send their keys to
the moan Owen. If you graduated from a Tennessee high school,
let your kids go to Southwest for free for two years,
give an associate's degree, then come to.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Lamon one and take advantage of your financial aide and
so forth.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It just makes good sense, you know, with all of
the challenges that doctor Davis that we are seeing in
this country with this new administration and a lot of
other things that are sort of anti what what you
all are trying to do in upper education.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Does it present.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
More of a challenge to you in respect to the
fact that in a lot of circles, you know, many
folks don't really necessarily want to see our kids rise
up and succeed as as as as as they once
once did back.
Speaker 12 (23:28):
In the day we chill.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Let me say this.
Speaker 11 (23:31):
I tell people, I think this is going to be
a defining moment for HBCUSKY because the reality is it
is going to force some of our best in our
brightness to recognize that regardless togains that even though we've
made tremendous advancement, the truth of the mattery of many
of them will still not be welcomed and affirmed and
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pwis And so I'm excited because what that means is
that we can bring that talent back to HBCUs They
help us stript in our brand, help us raise our
profile and really sort of live into with our four
parents envisioned when they took Nichols and Dimes and started
these institutions.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
You know you have before I get I mean, you
have a special event that is happening. I guess it's
pretty soon.
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Now.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It's called an investiture over there at the Collage.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
So that is third of the case. It's on good Friday,
on April eighteen.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (24:32):
The investiture is at ten o'clock that Friday morning at
the Orphium. It's free and open to the public. You know,
I certainly want to see all of niffits show up.
And then of course that night we've got the gala
at the Convention Center at seven, which is a fundraiser
for the Endowment for the institution.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
A little group called After Seven. I was told a
little birdie told me he's going to be the premier
entertainment that night.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Am I correctly ready or not?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I'll give you everything.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
No, you didn't know, Okay, all right, very good on that. Well, listen,
you know, we're very proud of you. The enthusiasm and
the energy that you bring to leading Lemoyne On College
is paying off, and I'm sure it's going to pay
off even more in the future.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
And we wish you nothing but the best of luck.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
And look, you always invited back, come back and give
us some updates on things as time moves forward, as
you as you quickly move toward your agenda, fulfilling your
agenda and some of the things that you want, and
more importantly, the excellence of the students that go to
and graduate from La moyna On College.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Sir, I really appreciate you you coming on to that.
I really do. Thank you.
Speaker 12 (25:44):
Hope.
Speaker 13 (25:45):
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Thank you. Man.
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Okay, take care there you go, ladies and gentlemen. Boy,
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Man.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
They got a lot of plans. They got up.
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Enrollment in this partnership that they have with Tennessee Southwest
Community College is going to pay great benefits to both schools.
Are so proud of all of the folks involved in
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Speaker 4 (28:55):
And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday
evening in the city. Chip with you.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I hope that you are with us this evening and
enjoying the broadcast so far. You know, many of us
have heard in this new administration, the presidential administration, that
one of the things that the President wanted to do
was to get rid of the Department of Education, basically
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disassemble it.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Dissolve it in the whole nine yards.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
But the question is for many of us, what exactly
does that mean, you know, in terms of a lot
of the programs that they have, the grant programs and
a lot of other things that the Department of Education houses.
I know, I guess the purpose of this is to
return it back to the States. Every state does things differently. Well,
in any event, I wanted to bring in someone who
(29:46):
is an expert in all of this. He is the
founder of K twelve. He is mister Brian Stevens. And
Brian is great to see you, to meet you, and
I have you on this show tonight. Thanks for being here.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 12 (30:03):
Well, well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 16 (30:04):
I've heard your show a lot because as a Memphian,
you know, I'm around this neck of the woods, even
though we have a national presence, so it's always fun
to speak to somebody local. And I'm really thankful, uh, Chip,
that you are working to educate everyone on on this
chaos that's happening.
Speaker 12 (30:20):
So thanks for that.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah, absolutely that And so you know, from from your perspective,
and I think I think for for for for me
looking at this, well, the first thing is besides, what
does that mean? And we live in Tennessee. All states
do things different, all things have different, you know, perspectives
on all of this as you look at this from
the local perspective, the state wide perspective, and nationally, what
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are some of the things that come to your mind?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And does this concern you in any way?
Speaker 16 (30:49):
Well? Well, I think that asking what the impact on
on on people, it's realize, I think that's the most
important question. I love that you asked with that, right,
because there's a lot of fear, a lot of concern
out there and there and there should be because it's
such a mysterious thing. Right, So let's talk about the
short term impact. Short term nothing, there's no impact other
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than concern in fear.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
But I do have some serious concerns.
Speaker 16 (31:13):
But maybe I should start off with kind of explaining
what the Department of Education does and why there's no
short term impact.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Can that be helpful?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yebo? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (31:21):
Okay, So.
Speaker 16 (31:23):
First off, and my mother called me, right she's in Florida,
and she goes, wait, they're getting rid of education. No,
that's not what they're talking about, right, So the Department
of Education, its first.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
Year into being was nineteen eight.
Speaker 16 (31:37):
Well, clearly we had public education before nineteen eighty, right.
So the issue is is is there are underlying laws
that the Department of Education on the federal level is
supposed to enforce, right, and so the question is if
the department goes away, who's going to enforce those laws.
(31:57):
So let's kind of make this real to people. So
free and reduced lunches. I was a kid on free
and reduced luncheon. There's a lot of people in the
Shelby County area that are on free and reduced lunches.
That doesn't come from the Department of Education. It actually
comes from the USDA, the Department of Agriculture. So they're
still going to get free and reduced lunches.
Speaker 12 (32:17):
No change to that. But there are certain laws that
are pretty important to us as a nation.
Speaker 16 (32:22):
So think the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, right,
Title nine very important.
Speaker 12 (32:29):
We're a sports town man. Title night's pretty important.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Right.
Speaker 16 (32:33):
These are laws that were around before the Department of
Education and are still going to be around even if
they get rid of the Department of Education. Which, by
the way, I have a scene, I have a crystal
ball in my office. They're not getting rid of the
Department of Education. We're going to talk about that if
you want to.
Speaker 12 (32:49):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 16 (32:50):
You heard it here probably last right, But if they
do get rid of the Department of Education, that's a
big if somebody still has to enforce these laws.
Speaker 12 (33:00):
And so what I would want to know is.
Speaker 16 (33:02):
Well, the President, well, Congress, well Republican you know majority
in the House, who's going to enforce the Civil Rights Act,
which I think is a pretty important law, right, who's
going to do the Americans with Disabilities Act?
Speaker 12 (33:14):
Who's going to enforce that?
Speaker 9 (33:15):
So?
Speaker 16 (33:16):
And then and then if it's not going to be
the Department of Education, who And so that's my first
year of concern is we got to make sure these
laws are enforced.
Speaker 12 (33:24):
And then secondarily is what I think that.
Speaker 16 (33:27):
Every person should watch long term, is to make sure
that the federal government does not try to mess around
with those underlying laws, which I think are so critical.
And no one's talking about that right now. No one's
talking about getting rid of any of these laws.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
So, but do you think that that is something that
could happen down the road, Well, you know, you.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Know, I'm a I'm a lawyer. By trade and uh,
you know in a psychologist.
Speaker 11 (33:51):
Right.
Speaker 16 (33:52):
So I look at this from kind of two aspects
of legally, everything could be undone if a if a
congressional body passed the law, they can undo a law.
But in order to get rid of the Department of Education,
you've got to get approval from Congress also, right, and
that takes two Democratic senators two. That makes it a
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pretty big bridge to cross right now. Right, But even
if they were to get that, just to dissolve a
department in order to change the civil rights law, that
is a bridge right now, that is way way too far.
But it doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to pay
attention to it. I just don't want to get everyone
all stressed out about it. We should just stay vigilant
(34:33):
and pay attention to it. I think there's no no
one is ever indicated right now, as of today, March
thirty first, no one has said that they want to
undo any of those laws.
Speaker 12 (34:42):
I think that's important to say so, including the president.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, so you say you also said earlier that you
know people because people are wondering about these the kids
say meals, the kids getting fed, you know, the snacks
and the food programs, And you don't see that being
disturbed right now, because quite honestly, and not only a
city with a high poverty rate in the state that's
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got its own sets of problems, that is a very, very,
very big deal for a lot of folks, I would think.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (35:11):
And the federal government in general gives about eight to
twelve percent of the overall school budgets across the nation.
I think it might be as much as fourteen percent
in Memphis and Shelby County, and a big portion that's
free introduced lunches. And once again, not the Department of Education.
I know it's a shocker, right, Like I had to
go look that up too. It's like it's an Apartment
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of Agriculture.
Speaker 12 (35:34):
So that's good. But as far as like disability.
Speaker 16 (35:37):
Issues, grants for like college pelgrants and all that, no
one's talking about getting rid of that funny. But I
do worry about a transition time causing a lot of confusion.
So if they try to determine like instead of the
Department of Education enforcing that law, the Department of Justice does, well,
how quick can that transition go on to make sure
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that all those laws are taking care of the four
So right now.
Speaker 12 (36:03):
That's what I would pay attention to. So, look, there's
not going to be any change right now.
Speaker 16 (36:08):
No one should should get concerned about sending their kids
to Mifis Shelby County School sexture. They absolutely should do that.
It's a great school system. It really is a great
school system. And so let's it's a big urban district
with a lot of problems for sure, right but these
are problems that every school district with a big urban
high poverty rate district would have. Every every major city's
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facing tough issues. But there's not going to be any change.
But our legislatures and our school board should look at
those those laws on time, and I just I can't
in order to uncork those like you'd asked man a
man the up people on trying to get rid of
the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, which.
Speaker 12 (36:51):
Was around before the Department of Education will be around after.
That's that's what I would just pay attention to.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
That's very interesting that you said that.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I think a lot of people and I guess you
can ask different people about this, the thoughts and opinions
about education as a whole in the state of Tennessee.
We've heard a lot lately from the local perspective about
you know, underperforming this and a lot of other challenges
(37:22):
that we're going on. But since you do this kind
of for a living, how do you what do you
see when you look at just this, look at look
at our state as a whole in terms of the
quality of education overall that we are providing our young
our young our young youngsters. How would you how would
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you break that? Are we doing a decent job, are
we doing a fair job, are we doing a poor job?
Speaker 15 (37:47):
Or what?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
What do you see?
Speaker 11 (37:48):
I think?
Speaker 16 (37:49):
I mean you're opening up a can of worms, right,
And I'm gonna try to keep it focused because I
just my latest book is all on allowing public schools
to have the eat them to compete more and to
do more more creative teaching so they can create problem
solvers instead of test takers.
Speaker 12 (38:06):
But remember public schools did not ask to become test takers.
Speaker 16 (38:11):
But that is the way that we judge them, right,
We judge them by standardized tests. Okay, And as an
industrial psychologist and a lawyer, I'll tell you that tests
are bias, right, And I think it's important to understand
that we take every student in every family with where
they are and where they start. So my daughter growing
up in Mephis and Shelby County, we're blessed she has
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a mom a dad, but we also will get her tutor.
Speaker 12 (38:39):
We have money, we have means to help augment her
education dollar right.
Speaker 16 (38:43):
And I remember talking with people when we had the
two school districts, Memphis and Shelby County, right, and suburbans
were like, look, Brian, we only spend the numbers are
a little off. We spend twelve thousand dollars per student
into the Shelby County School District and Memphis space seventeen
and we're getting better students.
Speaker 12 (39:00):
And I go time out.
Speaker 16 (39:02):
You and the suburbs have more money. You take your
kids to more places, you take them to the zoo.
You educated, and you get a tutors. You're going to
read to them. I was raised by that single mom
who was trying to put food on the table, who
didn't have time to do all that, and could pay
to augment my education. So the students in poverty their
education dollars exactly what the district can provide. So we
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can't judge apples to apples on this stuff. You know,
if if you're a little kid and you're nervous about
getting hit up by a gang on the way home,
and that's real I was as a child.
Speaker 12 (39:33):
This was in Lake from Florida.
Speaker 16 (39:36):
You got to take my test scores from where I
started and what how I improved, But don't base them
off of some kid that has the luxury of a
silver spoon in their mouth their entire life. So I'm
I'm just being real. So do I think that mifhis
Shelby County is doing a good job, Yes, yes I do.
Could they always do better?
Speaker 12 (39:54):
Absolutely?
Speaker 16 (39:55):
Do they need more resources to make sure that they're
you're providing all the complimentaries services for the students to need.
Speaker 12 (40:02):
Yes, right, should we do do better?
Speaker 16 (40:04):
Yes, But when you're talking about a big urban area
hundred thousand students, yeah, it's tough, man, it's tough. And
I just think we got to be real about that.
And just what I like to get in every school
district is improvement. And I'm not going to beat them
down because their test scores are lower than some other
school district that's already starting.
Speaker 12 (40:24):
It's it's this whole adage. You're born on third base.
Speaker 16 (40:26):
But you think you hit a triple right, right, I
don't know, you know, and so and so I was,
you know, if you're born on home plate, let's get
you to first, then let's get you a second.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
So I think it's a I think it's a tough job.
Speaker 16 (40:36):
And I think we need to be more positive and
real about what we what we want from our school system.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
If a final question, if you had a meeting if
the if they just for example, if the memphisis Chevy
County school Board wanted to meet with you about with
your expertise and your background in all of this about Okay, Brian,
just lay it out.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
What can we do better?
Speaker 16 (41:00):
What what?
Speaker 5 (41:01):
What do you see that needs to be done. You
mentioned the challenges, you mentioned the economic challenges. You mentioned
the backgrounds of where certain kids come from versus other children.
And it's unrealistic to to to to expect, you know,
one with resources more resources than the other, and and
and put them on the same plane. But but how
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could how could they how could they do their job
better to support all of our youngsters?
Speaker 16 (41:29):
Well, and I don't know what their exact key performance
indicators are, but what I recommend in general to any
school district. Right is you got to get it down
to three key performance indicators. There is what the community wants, right,
not what a federal government or a state government wants
or somebody from timber to What does this community want
to see with their students, right? And I would really
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focus then on delivering that. And I guarantee you that
that people want their child to be safe and success.
So those are two indicators. You just got to refine
exactly what those are and then the and then another
thing they should do is get in lockstep on what
they need from the national government, what they need from
the state government, and what they need from the local
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county government to get those key performance indicators met. And
I guarantee it's always about improvement, not about you know,
I remember when the Achievement school district came on. We're
gonna take the bottom five and make them the top five. Well,
of course they're gone now because it's unrealistic.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Goal.
Speaker 16 (42:27):
Give me some good, attainable, realistic goals and just tell
the community that's what you're going after because that's what
they want, and be unapologetic.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
Brian Stevens, Ladies and gentlemen, the founder of CASA k
through twelve. Brian is this has been a good conversation
and there's a lot here to digest. I really appreciate
you taking the time to come on the show tonight
and kind of lay things out for us. And you're
welcome back anytime. Man, Thank you for coming, Chip, thanks
for having me.
Speaker 12 (42:56):
Remember, don't panic anyone.
Speaker 16 (42:57):
But let's just pay attention to those laws and see
if they're going to try to change any laws. Not.
Speaker 12 (43:04):
The Department of Education necessarily got you.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Got you, Brian, Thank you so much. Man, I appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
All right, there you go, Ladies and gentlemen, Yeah, pay attention,
pay atten, stay engaged in this and just watch and see.
As he said, the laws are what you really want
to pay attention to. Let's take our final breaking when
we come back, and we're not done yet. So you're
not done either. Stick around, don't go away.
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Speaker 5 (45:11):
And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this Monday evening.
Glad to have you with us, and glad to have
my next guest with us. You know, I like fighters.
I like folks who whoo, who take the to take
the bull by the horn and step into battle.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Uh fired up and ready to go.
Speaker 16 (45:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
My next guest is a young man. His name is
Thomas Barrell.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
He is a farmer and he is the President of
Black Farmers and Agriculturalist Association.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
They have been fighting quite honestly for the rights of
black farmers for a very long time.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
And he joins me now, Thomas is great to see you.
How are you tonight? Chip here again? Thank you for
having us.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
We're in good health and excellent spirits.
Speaker 5 (45:57):
So you know last time I had you on and
it's been a minut this that you've been on with me.
But you know, the fight continues against the USDA, who
have for many years discriminated against the black farmer. And
of course you have seen some success in this. So
I should ask you at the start, as of today,
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where things stand now in terms of the black farmers
and your battle with the USDA. Where do things stand
and where do black farmers stand in this country from
your perspective?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Well, here again, I'm going to start with that latter
questionship and work my way back. Where do we stand today? Unfortunately,
in nineteen twenty there were nine hundred and twenty five
thousand black farmers. Today twenty twenty five they are less
than twenty thousand. We own twenty million acres of land
at that time around the country. Today we own less
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than three million acres of land. So when you say fight,
it has literally been a fight in every quarter. More, particularly,
the Department of Agriculture has been charged and found guilty
and even admitted that a majority of the losses that
(47:14):
I just explained are the result of systemic discrimination by
that agency when they denied block farmers' loans, sharecroppers loans,
and other credit benefits to make their farming operations viable.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Chip.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
That is a very troubling statistic that you just gave
us all here, and clearly, obviously the fight continues. You know,
this current administration, I don't know how friendly they are
toward towards your cause. I don't think probably the dance
would be not very But you know, as time goes
(47:52):
along here with this new administration and times in particular
and this terrort situation. Now, I saw a story not
too long ago interviewing farmers generally, and I know it's
bad for farmers, but it has to be based on
what you just said, even worse from the discriminatory aspect
for black farmers.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Talk a little bit about that, if you will.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yes here again, when we talk about discrimination, there has
been a constant line of discriminatory agencies. And it almost
has nothing to do for the lack of a better phrase,
with an administration, whether it's the Republican, whether it's the
ex the z black farmers have received basically an unfavorable
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treatment for over one hundred and fifty years. Now why
that is, we don't know, but to make a long
story short, the discrimination continues, and we are hoping that
because we have a lawsuit pending, which is one of
several lawsuits that have been filed against the Department of Agriculture,
we're hoping that this latter lawsuit, which is now currently
(49:00):
at the six Circuit Court of Appeals. There have been
about ten billion dollars billion with a b CHIP paid
out over the last twenty five years, but it doesn't
seem to stop and act as a deterrent against USDA.
That agency has an unsatisfiable an insatiable appetite for discriminating
(49:22):
against African Americans and particularly black farmers and landowners. And
to your point, we have to keep the fight going.
And so we are a membership organization. We represent basically
farmers and more particularly CHIP, we represent the sons and
daughters and the grandsons and granddaughters are black farmers. These
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sons and daughters live in Chicago and New York and
Melfas in Atlanta, and they have an interest still in
land in Mississippi, in Georgia and North and South Carolina,
and interestingly enough, Chip, a lot of these young people
now who did not grow up on a farm are
showing more of an interest in getting back into agriculture
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than perhaps their parents and grandparents. So this association is
going to be a surrogate. In other words, when they
come back, they're going to need an apprentice. They're going
to need someone to hold their hands. That it were,
because the existing institutions land grant colleges, no pun intended,
have not done a good job and creating a favorable
(50:26):
environment for African American farmers who are currently in the
business ship for those the sons and daughters who want
to get into this lucrative it is a lucrative business.
To your point about terriffs and the terrorists are doing
a lot of things, but this administration has guaranteed white farmers,
in particular, over thirty billion dollars in subsidy payments to
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offset whatever short term ailment and or sacrifices these farmers
will make while this tariff ship, as it were, is
making the turn.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
You know, listening to what you said, and I think
I've read something to the effect that it took you
a long time to even get the courts to pay
attention to this, to this act. I mean, it took
a long time for you even to get to the
place where you are now. I believe you said the
sixth Circuit Court involved in this. Uh. This really has
(51:23):
been and it sounds to me from listening to you
like an uphill battle all the way. And it still
seems like it's a bit of an uphill battle. But
you are fighting, and people are paying a little bit
of attention, more attention now than they did before that
you're starting to get people to pay it to notice
exactly what this is all about and how this has
(51:44):
to change.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
You're right, and interestingly enough, as I said, there's for
whatever reason, and God bless you know those who are
now uh and people what shows like yours are bringing
attention to this problem. For years and years and years,
there was a misplaced aggression against farming. You mentioned the
word farming in any corner in the African American community,
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and that was a black box.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
We turned it off.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
But here people are understanding and developing an appreciation for
the business side of this industry and how it is
an important factor in the overall economy and has been,
and more specifically, what does it mean for trade. Keep
in mind, Thomas Jefferson in eighteen oh two doubled the
(52:33):
size of this United States when he made a purchase
we called the Louisiana Purchase. This country is only fifteen
years old when he made that purchase, but he gave
France fifteen million dollars. Where did he get those dollars
from Chip to give a country that had been in
business a thousand years. He got it because this country
was flush with cash, and that cash came from cotton
(52:57):
and from individuals in the South of Mississippi, African Americans
who made a contribution to this country. So when the
president says he wants to make this country great again,
we'll send fine, but we want you to do one thing.
Make sure you recognize those people Chip who made it
great in the first instance. We cannot allow this set
(53:18):
mellistration or any other group to make sure or forget
the contributions that our grandparents and great great parents made
to make this economy the number one economy on the planet,
a thirty trillion dollar economy. We're glad that you want
to make it again, but make sure you recognize those
people who made it great in the first place.
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Well, ill, and well, I'll tell you what you know.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
With you at the helm as you have been for
many years now, people are listening and you're making them listen.
And you know, we hope that the fight continues long
after you're gone. Next generations. Folks, keep fighting, keep fighting.
That's the only way we're going to change things.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Thomas.
Speaker 5 (53:59):
I really appreciate you the work that you do on
a daily basis, but really I appreciate you coming on
the show tonight and really opening folks eyes. A lot
of people who probably did not know and have not
heard a lot about what you were talking about, but
they have now. And you know, we're gonna do our
part to make sure that your message doesn't get lost
(54:19):
to the folks that need to hear it. And I
really appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Thank you, Chip for allowing us to privilege your time
as well on behalf of the members of the Block Farmers.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
We appreciate you sir.
Speaker 5 (54:28):
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate you man. Take good care,
and thank you for coming on the show tonight. Really
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (54:33):
All Right, ladies and gentlemen, there you go. You know,
you gotta fight for something, you're gonna fall for anything.
You got to stand for something or you're gonna fall
for anything. And I love organizations like this one, and
I love Thomas for doing what he does each and
every day. Well, you know what, that wraps up a
pretty good show for us this evening. And I guess
I should remind folks that next week we're gonna go
a little off script.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Next week is well Pledge Week. I guess it starts.
Speaker 5 (54:57):
Saturday the fifth, right April fifth, uh, And you know
that's where we you know, we always needed you all anyway.
We need all of your support. We all need all
of you to listen. All of us have shows that
you have continued to support. But if this station is
gonna keep doing what it's doing, we're gonna continue to
need your support and help. So be with us as
(55:17):
we entertain you with another Pledge Week, and we'll all
be back here next week, all of us, Bren and
of course Lola and me. We all have shows and
we all appreciate your support. Uh and you're encouragement. I
have to pick on Brand a little bit, Lola said
before I didn't even see it. Lola said, there was
(55:38):
a couple of girls that that that so walked by
the window and stopped when they saw him. I guess
they like what they saw. Brent hosts the show Ladies
and Gentlemen, comes out after us. He plays us out
after he plays you. But he plays us out. But uh,
stay tuned, don't go anywhere because uh, Event Horizon plasme
Brand plays out.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
Event Horizon is next.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
Uh and that is hosted by Bread Ladies and Gentlemen,
and uh, you know, he does a really good job.
This guy has got a quite an eclectic uh and
and wide ranging uh musical portfolio.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
I would like to say he plays all different kind
of music.
Speaker 5 (56:14):
So whenever you're in a fancy you need to stick
around from seven to eight pm. I'm just fine the
radio station. So for all of us at Real Talk Mensis,
he's for Lola, Yes, he is for Lola and for
Bread who's coming up next with a bent a rising.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
We really appreciate you, I know, idea. If you like
what we do, we could tell somebody and y'all keep listening. Uh,
we'll be back next week. That Floord says, so U
in the.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
Meantime, in between times, please be saved, Please be careful,
uh and keep us in your prayers because we keep
you in our So again for all of us, Lacey
Till and for your humble hole ship Washingtons, we are out.
Speaker 4 (56:58):
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
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