June 9, 2025 • 59 mins
Episode Notes My guests this week include a piece of history as the Mayor Elect of Horn Lake MS, Jimmy Stokes joins me for a conversation. The historic part, is that he is the first Black to hold that position in their history. He shares why he believes he won and his plans to move the city forward. Next, we all remember the statement made by the FBI DIrector recently that said Memphis is the homicide capital of America. Rev. Dr. Earle Fisher returns to share his thoughts on that, sending a task force and what the DOJ consent decree investigation ending means for the accountability of law enforcement in our city. Finally, we have all heard of Yoga and the benefits it can provide. Shawandra Ford is the founder of Brwnskn Yoga and she says that wellness is a public safety issue. She explains what that means and how teaching people to regulate stress and heal from trauma could reduce crime and uplift communities for a better Memphis. That and more on air and online Monday, 6 pm on WYXR 91.7 FM. Also, WYXR.org, Tunein, Facebook Live. YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts!
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Hen, here we go. Here we go on this Monday
evening in the city. It is June the ninth, twenty
twenty five, six o'clock straight up, which means it it's
time for an all new, live in all new real
talk Memphis. Very happy to have you with us on
a beautiful Monday evening in the city. I am your
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here with you again this evening. And you know, all
my crew is in the house tonight. You know, I
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So, yeah, we gotta a lot of stuff in store
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Uh and uh.
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In terms of the guests, I think we we've done
pretty well this week.
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Uh.
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We have the first guest that's going to be joining
me in the next few minutes.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
And this is the first.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
He is the first, the first elected black mayor in
the history of Horn Lake, Mississippi, will be joining me
in just a few minutes.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
His name is Jimmy Stokes. Uh. And yeah, that's a big,
big deal.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I used to cover North Mississippi when my TV days
at Channel five, and yeah, things things have changed and
they're growing up out there. A little bit, we'll be
talking with the mayor electing just a couple of minutes.
A little bit later on, the Reverend doctor Earle Fishsher
will be joining me. Of course, I always bring him
around when you know things are you know, at a
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certain level in our city and I need to give
his truth.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And and you know, his conversation about it. What is
happening in and around our communities? Good, bad, right, wrong,
in the.
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Whole nine yards.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
A bit later on, how many of you out there
are yoga enthusiast As Lola raises her hand, there are
many folks who who really enjoy the relaxation aspect of yoga.
But there my next my guest later on this evening,
Mischa Shuandra Ford, is a yoga therapist, and she says
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that this could be very useful and she and she
uses it in terms of public health and a lot
of other things. And you know, it could be used
to used to reduce stress and make people think about
certain actions that they may take, you know, because their
body is not in tune to where it needs to be.
So I look forward to having a conversation with her
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about all of this. A little bit later on, yoga
looks relaxing. I've done it a couple of times, and
that's why I'll never do it again, because you know,
the body just doesn't roll around like.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
It used to.
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But that's a whole other story. Anyway, that's the rundown
for the show this evening. But first things first, you know,
we're getting into the time year June's big birthday month
on in case you didn't know that, and a lot
of folks are celebrating birthdays this month. A lot of
folks are celebrating birthdays today. And speaking of that, we
like to do a little thing called the shout out
where we celebrate with you on your day, which is
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two day. But we can't do that until I say
hit it, Brent, all right, here we go, Here we go.
I got a lot to get to tonight. Happy birthday
going out to Jesse Johnson, Roy Davis celebrating his birthday today.
Happy birthday to Christopher Davis, Shirley Williams, Sandra Hamer Smith
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celebrating her birthday today. Happy birthday to Paul Boade, Francis Sadler,
Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday Bridget Sanders, Lynda McFarlane,
Michael Thomas, rob Long I am helland and Tony Beden
Junior And what would the should I be without one.
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to my sister Tony Robinson.
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I love you, Tappy.
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Birthday to each and every one of you out there.
It is of course, you know, when you make another
trip around the sun, it is always it is always
a good thing, and so we celebrate with you. Of course,
we wish this to you on this day, love and happiness,
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and we hope to be with you next year for
your next trip around the Sun.
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Thanks Brandon.
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By the way, before we get into this, because I
just got a text with one of my guests, lorda,
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if you're listening to me, mister Stokes, w y x
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r FM, lowercase, right, I think yeah, lower case w
y x r FM. That is the password to get in.
So I'm hoping that you will have a you won't
have any issues before we get to you in just
a couple of minutes. But first things first, let's uh,
let's talk some news, how about that. Of course, my
home city from my home state, California, Los Angeles, has
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been in the news quite.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
A bit here lately.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Uh, the ice immigration raids that are going on out
there have escalated to a very tense situation. The President
of the United States deployed the National Guard over the
wishes of the governor of the state of California, who
would be the one to authorize that by sending several
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hundred National Guard troops into the city to quote unquote
keep the peace.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
As he likes to say.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And now it seems as if the President has mobilized
about seven hundred Marines, I believe is who is mobilizing
now the Marines. We're talking about a function of the
Armed Services who has nothing to do with any of
this at all. So we're talking about bringing in Marines
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to what fight Americans on American soil. That's where we're
at with this whole thing. This has gotten so far
out of control now because people are protesting the way
this is done. Nobody's saying that immigration is not a problem.
Nobody's saying that people crossing the border illegally is not
a problem, because it is. But when you start all
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of this with the guys that are removing dope dealers
and murderers and rapists in the whole nine yards, as
was indicated initially by the federal government, and now you
start snatching people out of home depots and a lot
of other places with these surprise and ambush attacks, then
we're starting to get into a whole different category. Agree
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with me it, don't agree with me that that's your
prerogative as an American citizen. But this this type of
situation in terms of federalizing troops i e. The National Guard,
this hadn't happened in over sixty years, and the last
time it happened was when President Johnson sent federal troops
in during the race riots in Alabama. As you remember
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in Selma. That was a long time ago. And to
bring this up and to do it without even consulting
any of the local government officials out in Los Angeles
and of the state of California is just unconscionable.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
In reference to all of this.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Gavin Newsom, who is the governor of the state of California,
defil suit against President Trump in the White House today
saying that their local police could handle this situation. Crowds
that are massing out there, and you keep pushing on
folks and pushing on folks and not even giving them
a chance to even protest.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Peacefully, which is how you should protest.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Then folks start to get a different kind of a
way in a different kind of an attitude. We are
preaching that folks, if you're going to protest, which is fine,
and that is within your right, and you are within
your right to do that.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
But do it peacefully.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Don't give people a reason to become violent, because that
could lead to some very tragic consequences and we don't
want that to happen. We can make our point non violently.
We have in the past, and we can in this
situation as well, but it bears keeping a watch on,
ladies and gentlemen. Congratulations to Mississippi Boulevard Christian Church. They
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announced last week that they are in the midst are
going to be a part of a three hundred and
ten million dollar redevelopment plan in partnership with Nashville one
of the HBCUs, the historical HBCU Mahari College up there.
They are going to bring Mahara Medical College is going
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to bring a facility to Memphis as a part of
this redevelopment plan that Mississippi Boulevard Christian Church is going
to launch. There's going to be restaurants, is going to
be housing there, It's going to be a mixed use.
And then of course now the medical component. Uh, you know,
for many of our folks who can't afford it, that
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is that is a pretty big deal, and that's pretty
big news as well. So we we congratulate the folks
at Mississippi Boulevard and we congratulate the folks at Mahari
Medical College who are going to be opening up a
facility down here in the next few years as well.
Much needed. There was a shooting over the weekend. Well
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that's nothing new. Cache A forty two is a restaurant.
There was a triple shooting over there this weekend, late
in the evening I think Saturday night. I wanted to
say three people, all teens. I don't know. I didn't
know that there was more than one. Okay, well yeah,
well one of these Castiday forty two, but lolas, they
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did more than one location. Huh okay, oh money bag yo.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Okay, yeah, that's his restaurant.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
But anyway, three teens eighteen nineteen eighteen and seventeen nineteen
eighteen and sixteen years of age were shot. Unfortunately, the
eighteen year old was shot and killed. The investigation continues.
Not a lot to be said on this particular case,
but we will keep an eye on it as well.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Ladies and gentlemen. We say it all the time.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
You know what, gunplay does not solve anything, all right.
So we're going to take a break and when we
come back, we're gonna get into the broadcast.
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What do you say.
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When we come back, we're going to talk to the
newly elected mayor of Horn Lake, Mississippi.
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And welcome back to real talk.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
If it's on this beautiful Monday evening in the city.
Glad you're doing okay, and glad that I have you
with us so this evening and I'm really happy, uh
to have my first guest tonight. You know, Hornlake has
been around Hornlake, Mississippi, rather has been around for a
long time, and uh, they recently made history. When it
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was first announced, it seemed like it was a little
under the radar. But when folks started to really get
a grip on all of this, they went, yeah, this
is now, this is something that we ought to really
celebrate here in reference to it, this my first guest
is Jimmy Stokes. He is the first black elected mayor
in the history of Horn Lake, Mississippi.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
And Mayor Alex Stokes, it is great to see huh,
there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, the applause, But Mayster, Mayor of Lex Stokes is
great to see you and great to have you with
the show.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
It's good to good to have you here.
Speaker 11 (16:18):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And again, congratulations sir on your on your victory. Congratulations
to you and all of the folks who worked hard
to help to get you elected. You know, you and
I talked a little bit off Era last night, and
I think you're still kind of an election mode. But
but but, but the voltes have been counted and then
and you're in office now. Now, just to give folks
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a little bit of background, You're you're from Memphis. You're
a white Haven. You're a white Haven guy. Am I correcting?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
That, yes, sir, class of.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
High school. Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
And and you are also if people don't know, you're
also a pastor. And your church is where is your church?
What's the name of your church? And where is it
here in the city.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Nor northeast side Church of Christ in Barlett, Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Well you there, That's where I live. I live in Partley, Tennessee.
But in any event, it is it is great to
have you really on the show. And again congratulations. You
have been in the political circles out there for a while.
A lot of people know you. You were a planning
commissioner I believe, or you're on the planning commission for
a while, so you you've kind of been ingratiating yourself
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in the inner world of politics in that city.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Correct, correct, Yes, sir.
Speaker 11 (17:26):
I've been a planning mission planning commissioner under all the
woman the son of Johnson of Ward five since twenty
seventeen when she became the first African American alderman of
Horn Lake. And then she chose me to be her
appointed planning commissioner. So I had the opportunity to be
involved in the planning department learning how to do you
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know some of the subdivisions, developments, zonings, different things like that.
So I am familiar with it, very familiar with our
city board and everything else.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
But to Bede, a jump from the commissioner board to mayor.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, that's a pretty that's a pretty big jump. So
tell me what was it or what was the deciding
factor for you at this particular point in time to say,
you know what, I think I want to run from
mayor of the city that I that I live in.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think it was.
Speaker 11 (18:23):
I remember being on the board and uh, just being
able to work with the others that was on the
commissioner's board, all of us were appointed, but recognizing that,
you know, I made suggestions on things and everybody seemed
to be like, you know what, that makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
And then to be able to go and sit in
the mayor's office, uh and talk and chat with him
and learn things from him.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (18:48):
And then I just it's like almost like God said, Hey,
look at this, I'm putting your feet on ground that
could be yours one day, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And I remember going back to my church.
Speaker 11 (18:58):
It was probably twenty somewhere around there, not too long
got to become a commissioner. I told my church'll said,
I feel like God is calling me to run for
office of mayor one day in Hornick and just lead
the city to be in a better position. I could
see some of the things that we lacked in development,
and when I looked at the numbers and started to
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realize that, man, maybe Hornley can do a whole lot
better with a.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Leader with a vision. You know, visionary leadership.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
You know, you don't wake up one morning and say, hey,
I'm a visionary leader. You know that's something that God
give you where you see a lack of something in
need and you wanted if other people see it. So
the more I started talking to people, especially in twenty
twenty one when I ran for office, I lost about
like one hundred and eighty votes maybe something like that
to Mayor Latimer and people, my message, my platform resonated.
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People really believed. And when I said, for me to
run for the first time, and here it is, I'm
one hundred and eighty votes for winning.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, that for the very first time.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
So you decided in this election cycle that you were
going to run, God convicted you and said it's time,
UH to get out here and and and and do this.
Uh I heard from one of your staffers that you shook.
If you couldn't shake every hand in horn Lake, you
got pretty close to it.
Speaker 11 (20:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I was sold. You shook well over five hundred hands.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And you went out every day, right in the morning
and in the afternoon because it was important to you.
That personal touch was important to you, that they that
they saw you, that they felt you, and that they
heard you.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Correct, correct, correct. I know they wanted me to.
Speaker 11 (20:38):
Do a lot of parties and all the other stuff,
but I told them the thing that work in horn
Lake is shaking people's hands, meeting them face to face.
They want to lie they eyes on you. And I
had a team of three young men.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I love these young guys.
Speaker 11 (20:51):
They they just came to me doing a campaign or
somebody introduced them to me. These three young men made
sure that we were knocked on every door we could
and Hornlake.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
These are young guys in their twenties.
Speaker 11 (21:03):
And when I got tired, they went out and kept going,
you know, and then they said, now I'm the Stokes.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's full quarter. You can't get tired.
Speaker 11 (21:10):
So yes, I wanted to meet every person I could,
all the way up to the next day. So for
four months, for four months and more or more, we
was either knocking on doors when it's raining, We're making
phone calls. We're gonna do it, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So you know and obviously that that was a winning formula.
So so tell us now that it's starting to sink
in a bit, and you are going to be the
leader of this city and you're going to they're going
to a charter course for the future. What is on
your radar? What are you looking at? What are the
needs of Horned Lake as you see them and as
you try to guide them into the future.
Speaker 11 (21:48):
My number one priority is to build the right platform
for Hornlake. I mean the righty conment, righty conment platform.
Is there the right to contment Hornlake?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Is?
Speaker 11 (21:58):
I tell for you this all the time. Most people
only didn't know this. We work in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Already we're the tenth largest city in the state of Mississippi.
Speaker 11 (22:07):
In twenty twenty five, where the fourteenth largest city, which
means we had a point thirty five decreasing our population,
but we're still the fourteenth largest city in Mississippi out
of four hundred city in towns. Think about that, a
city of our size should be able to do more
than fast food called wash the gas stations and discount stores.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
We should be able to bring in some large corporate
businesses that can bring revenue to our cities so that
we can do what we want when it comes to
fixing our parks, when it comes to our roads, not
always waiting on a grant or some kind of state funds.
I want us to get to the point where we
build an economent where we can take care of ourselves.
You know what my grandfather used to tell me all
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the time. He said, son, you can use credit all
the time, or you can learn how to have that
money in your account.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
You know.
Speaker 11 (22:58):
Yes, So that's what I want to do for one
of la I want us to building the connment.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That's that's beyond minimum wage jobs.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Right.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
So, right now, what I'm doing is also looking at
the new development coming into horn that and making sure
that it's some things that we can depend on the
help with the revenue of the city so that we
can take care of the city. You don't go to
twenty six thousand people and you're still treat it like
a small town, right.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Yeah, we become it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
We want to want to we want to do business
like a major city.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
You know, and and and and there's and there's a
lot to be said by that. You either said, you're
the fourteenth largest city, uh, in the in the in
the state of Mississippi. And that's a that's a that's
that's a pretty you know, healthy, hefty, hefty deal in
and of itself right there. And you've seen the I've
seen the progress of horn Lake growing and growing and
you know, continuing to grow. But you really want to
take that tiplate and really expand it out. You're seeing
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that there are a lot of things that horn Lake
does have. It does have a bit of a charm
to it, uh, But but you really want to In
other words, if you if you want to be a
player out here and you want to compete with other folks,
you have to have things in your city that people
want to be attracted to.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Correctly, am I correcting?
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Correct?
Speaker 11 (24:09):
You have millions of dollars driving through horn Lake every
day because we don't have certain things right.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You know, we have a few.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
Restaurants, but man, we could actually do a whole lot
better with sit down restaurants. We don't have a movie theaters,
something I mentioned a lot in the campaign. We're one
of three Top twenty cities that don't have a movie theater.
So you think about people that shop from the Delta
to horn Lake, Man, we could provide that for those
small towns that probably couldn't get one, right, but that
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money drive through Horn Lake and go to other neighboring
cities toward the east. So if you think about Olive Branch,
all the branches built a city where they can take
care of people all the way from Marshall County always
to all the Branches being a major what major city,
So we want to do the same on the west.
We want to be able to provide from the Delta
up to make sure that those mayors that we support
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them and up building a stronger economy that also support
us provide things that those people in those cities needs.
I want to make sure that all the meiggas in
that area. Horny Lake is a blessing to the west
side of Mississippi. I call us the northwestern gate to
the UH.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
To nord Mississippi.
Speaker 11 (25:15):
That's what I call us all the time with the gateway,
and so we want to take advantage that with our
diverse population. The average age of our citizens in Horn
Lakeer is thirty five. That's a young city.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
It's a young that's young.
Speaker 11 (25:27):
Yeah, and you got young families. Man, do you not
know they want they want some family friendly, enjoyable environments, right.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, without having to go to Memphis or Yeah. I
get that. I get that South Hay everything else. Yeah,
I get that. I get that. That makes a lot
of sense. And so in terms of of.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Of of all of this, Uh, were you when when
when election night came? Because I'm always curious about this,
the thought process. I know all candidates who run for
officer nervous.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
About it and and everything. Did you have that the
day of the election? How did you field? Were you
in some way comforted by uh you know, uh, the
God sort of you know, put a calm inside you
to say, you know what, it's gonna be all right
at the end of all of this. Or were you
a nervous wreck? I mean, how did you how did
you approach How did you approach election day?
Speaker 11 (26:15):
I was calm, I would say calm, because I'm the
kind of person, you know, once I put it in
the work, all I got is up. It's up to
God from there, you know, God and them voters. You know,
it's up it's up to them from there. If they
choose me, I'm gonna be the best mayor that I
could be. If they don't, I'm gonna keep fighting for
my community. So I was come, but you know, I
was excited, uh like, I mean, I was anxious. You know,
(26:38):
I'm like, I'm waiting on I'm waiting over war two
numbers to come in. But overall I was pretty calm.
Uh And I think I think I think you all
probably see history or I'm just still grasping it.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yeah, yeah, it'll take a minute. Yeah, it's just just
just thinking. I'm pretty sure. But one thing before I
let you go, one thing I did hear is that
the is that the political wave may be changing in
the Horn Lake in terms of all the men. Tell
me a little bit about about about that.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
Uh So, we we we we now flipped the board
to the majority of Democrats. We only had one Democrat
on the Altaman board all the one of the son
of Johnson, which is my Altman Auto woman. But now
we flipped every one of the seats except too to Democratic.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Uh So, for the first time in history.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
You have a democratic mayor, democratic altam at large and
full law also ataman seats taken by Democrats.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
That's a big deal, my friend.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
That that that that says a lot about the changing
tide of Horn Lake, Mississippi. Well listen, I'm first of all,
I'm very happy that that you took the time to
come on the show tonight to talk with me and
our audience. Extraordinarily proud of your efforts. Uh uh and
uh we we'll be pulling for you.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
And uh.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
This is maybe your first time on the show, but
I'm hoping that it won't be the last.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I hope you'll come back and visit us down the road.
That bit.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Thank you, I gotta mean, ma'am, I'm just happy. But
this is this is uh Mayor elect Jimmy Stokes of
White of of of Horn Lake, Mississippi.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
And I gotta give you all of this myself, but
thank you for coming on the show, my friend. Appreciate
you and all the best of luck to you. Uh
down the road. Really really appreciate you, and congratulations again.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Thank you, Thank you again.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Mister Washington, apiate you absolutely absolutely there you go, ladies
and gentlemen, History in the making and Horn Lake, Mississippi,
And y'all treat the mayor right now.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
He's gonna treat you right. You treat him right as well.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Let us take a break, and when we come back,
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Real Talk with Zib Washington Real.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
And welcome back to real Talking Memphers on this Monday
evening in the city Chip with you and along with
my next guest, and this is this gentleman. I like
to invite him on the show because he is one
who hits the issues head on. He faces the issues
head on, uh and he is a very very smart guy.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
And I like to to to tap his knowledge.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Please, welcome to the show, Reverend doctor Earl Fisher, and
it is great to see you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
How are you tonight.
Speaker 13 (31:33):
I'm doing okay, man, glad to be back with you.
Even though Pastor slash Mayor Alex Stoke is a tough
act to follow. That was a wonderful interview.
Speaker 14 (31:42):
Man.
Speaker 13 (31:42):
I'm glad we got a chance to hear his vision
for horn Lake and that history making election.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Man, So thank you absolutely that.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
So listen, before we get into a local things around here,
I wanted to get you to tap into you a
little bit about what is happening in California, more importantly
in my home city, Los Angeles, with the situation and
the President calling in the National Guard and without the
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without consider the governor, and a lot of just all
of the turmoil and message is going on out there.
I wanted to see if I could get a take
from you on what you see In reference to.
Speaker 13 (32:19):
That, I mean, I'm watching the development. It's actually on
my TV now. Just you know, the second day of demonstrations,
police and right gear, as you mentioned earlier in the
first kind of lead in you got for the first
time since LBJ and the Civil rights movement, you have
(32:42):
a president who did not wait for government or governor's
requests to send in, you know, federal troops, National Guard folks.
And I think one of the interesting aguage that this
is this is not something where people in Los Angele
this was upset with something that Mayor Bass did, or
(33:05):
that they were upset with something that Governor Newsom did.
They were protesting the policies that were coming from the
federal government. And I think we have to be real,
sober minded about how we got to this point. And
there's been a lot of conversation, a lot of spin,
(33:27):
a lot of in your window, a lot of fluff,
but the bottom line, in the black fact is elections
had consequences, and we have to really think long and
hard about what our strategies are and what our engagement
tactes look like. Because I don't think anybody is viewing
(33:47):
this as some wondrous set of developments. I mean, we
are in a very tender and fragile kind of moment,
and what is happening in your hometown, brother, is reverberating,
not just across the West coast or even across the country.
It is actually reverberating across the world, and we have
(34:08):
to really be thinking about what the next iteration of
our fragile democratic project looks like.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Absolutely that it's really it bears washing, no doubt about it,
no doubt about that. I want to shift gears back
home here. You know, last time I had you on,
we were talking about the Department of Justice in the
consent Decree that was issued at that particular time in
(34:36):
reference to what had been going on here systematically in
our city with the treatment of our citizens in reference
to law enforcement for a very long time. Now, with
this new administration, the Department of Justice is pulled all
of these investigations out and away from cities like Minnesota,
Minneapolis and in Saint Louis US, the whole nine. So
(35:00):
now we don't have that to follow, even though our
administration was hesitant about that the last time it came around.
I wanted to get your take on that and more importantly,
where we are in your eyes in terms of the
accountability of our law enforcement agency to do the job
that they are supposed to do and treat our people
(35:23):
with more respect, if you will, I'm very curious to
find out kind of where you think we're going from here.
Speaker 13 (35:30):
Yeah, man, I don't think we have enough time, but
I'll try to take a stab at it, because there's
a lot of different layers to this you've already mentioned,
like the dynamic between the federal government, you know, the
Trump administration, and when you win elections, you get to
appoint people like as Attorney General or the Department of Justice,
and they get to carry out your vision for an
(35:52):
entity and apparatus like that. And it's clear that when
it came to police and criminal justice reform, Trump did
not see a vision that was consistent with the vision
of Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. And so now when
you get to appoint people to a position like the
(36:13):
Department of Justice, you have to pick up the time
of whatever the previous administration was trying to implement. And
so we saw like record numbers of patterning and practice
investigations from the first Obama administration all the way through
even the first time. You know, Trump kind of stalled it.
(36:33):
I think he may have continued like three of the
twenty or so that I think may have been under
Obama administration, but you know, this time you see them
like flat out stopping some of the stuff, and the
consent decrees that were being implemented or like being rolled back.
So I mean, that's a weird kind of dynamic when
you look at somebody like mayor Young who doesn't want
(36:56):
to be seen in alignment with Trump ideologically or philosophically,
but echoed some of that same sentiment even before the election,
when he was saying that they were not going to well,
this was after the election, because it was December when
the Pattern of the Practice investigation came down, and at
the time, even before the inauguration, Mary Young was saying
(37:18):
that he was not going to sign on to the
consent decree, needed more information. And then it's gotten to
the point now where and I think what I'm about
to say as a matter of their matter of their
legal strategy, and we could discuss that to the degree
that we're able, they're saying now that the findings in
the Pattern of the Practice investigation are meaningless. And that's
(37:41):
just ridiculous because that's a gen that you cannot put
back back in the bottle. And those of us who
have been out engaged in the community trying to even
recruit people to tell these necessary stories about their encounters
with law enforcement. You know what I'm saying. You cannot
tell me that those stories did not matter. We just
knew that we needed federal apparatus and support in terms
(38:02):
of enforcement of some of the criminal justice and police
reform measures that we were proposing. But you know, now
there's a whole lot of minutia, and you have the
Mayor's task Force, which six months in has not produced anything,
not even a memo I'm familiar with. And I've had
a conversation with him, you know, and I just told him,
(38:24):
and I think that he underestimated the level of bureaucracy
that's engaged in some of these governmental kind of processes,
and so where he might have wanted to put the
task force together and then you know, line out things
to start hammering stuff out. You know, here we are
six months in, and I'm sure that there are people
who are working real hard on that task force, and
(38:45):
I'm sure Judge Donald is doing what she can. I
just knew at the offset that we did not have
the same kind of opportunity from the dj Report and
that Department of Justice under as we would have right now.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
And here we are the.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
One of the aspects of all of this is the
trust level, and I don't believe that there is very
much trust between the citizens of our city UH and
those who represent the law enforcement agencies, whether it be
from the past or whether it be what's going on
now and what you very very eloquently stated in reference
to the fact that this task force, we've heard nothing
(39:27):
except you know, we heard when it was a sign
and that the judge, retired Judge Donald was going to
hit it. But we hadn't heard anything else in reference
to it at all. People's confidence in law enforcement. I
think UH is shaken and very very skeptical. And I
guess really from from your perspective, where do we go
from here?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I mean, because we're at a level now we're seeing
an increase in violence, although the people from the Crime
Commission keep saying that certain metrics within the crime statistics
are trending downward, which very much confuses me because the
news feeds that I look at every day indicate a
different story.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
What about you?
Speaker 13 (40:08):
Yeah, So you know, I think I'm trying to kind
of push the mayor to push back on some of
the media stuff too, because we need to know what
the truth is and what I think we see from
a media standpoint is regardless of what the numbers are,
most of those media outlets are going to lead with
bloody stories as long as they are there. So it
feels as if crime is high and immediate no matter
(40:31):
what the numbers are, And so that's part of that
feelings over facts kind of deal. And so at some
point I think the people who are in positions of
power have to hold media outlets accountable for making the
necessary modifications in how they are reporting, because right now,
I think there's a level of sensationalism attached to the
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crime and the violence, but nationally and locally, by most
objective accounts, there is a slight decrease. It doesn't mean
that there's not more things that need to be done,
but that's one particular truth as it relates to the
trust in law enforcement. We are really behind the eight
ball in the road to hold got a whole lot
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longer after the Tyree Nichols murder trial because we had
an opportunity, and I wrote about this, We had an
opportunity to put front and center this gap between policing
culture and policing policy. Because when Tyree Nichols was murdered.
You had Chief Davis get on national outlets and say
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these officers violated policy and they did not follow their training.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Well, when it.
Speaker 13 (41:39):
Was time for the state trial, there, the defense's primary
argument was they followed their training and they followed the policy.
But the state never called anybody from MPD up to
refute that. And so it leaves this gap of are
we still talking about policy? Are we still talking about
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policing culture. It just seems like policing culture, which is
much more rogue and reckless, seems to be winning out
of the policy, even if you get some of these
police reform policies passed. And so until we deal with
that gap, I think we're still going to have a
high level of distrust, and I think it is a
legitimate and warranted distrust.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Finally, I want to ask you about the Tarry Nichols trial.
The state trial. Of course, you know, we pulled in
a jury from Chattanooga and twenty one counts against these officers,
three officers, and all of them were found not guilty.
I saw you on several news outlets in and around
the city when that verdict came down, and how big
(42:42):
a blow was that for you? To see that in
reference to what we were and so many people were
hoping for in terms of accountability of these officers.
Speaker 13 (42:55):
So I think it's an enormous blow in so far
as justice and truth are concerned. It is significant, but
not insurmountable when you think about the fact that the
federal trial had already happened and all of them are
still waiting to be sentenced. Right, but those of us
who were watching the state trials still want to know,
you know, how we were asked to look at this
(43:20):
white jury in a majority black city, so it's clearly
not a jury of the peers of the defendants, and
how they were able to look at the evidence and
then they believed the defense argument over their lying eyes
because the video evidence is clear. And so this does
tie into, you know, the things that are written out
(43:42):
in the pattern and practice investigation, which is why I'm
saying it's erroneous to call it meaningless unless it's just
part some legal strategy and you kind of need to
lowyer it up. But for those of us who want
to deal with common since in the real world what
policing has taking place, it is not hard to see
that there are supervisors who need to be held accountable,
and up to this point, I don't know of not
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one of them that was held accountable. There are people
who knew that there was inconsistencies and discrepancies between what
police reports were reading and what the videos were showing.
And you tell me that this jury, that ironically was
selected from one of the whitest counties in the area,
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was able to look at these black brothers and for
the first time humanize black folks in a way that
you wouldn't do if they were not police officers. So
you know, there's definitely much more for us to sift
through when we start thinking about what the truth is
and what justice actually looks like, because I don't know
anybody who would be reasonable that would say that this
was not an unjust verdict. But there's still something insofar
(44:47):
as accountability is concerned, which is why it's important to
have federal legislators and people in federal office who can
do what happened during the previous trial, the federal trial,
because now you got to try to rely on that
and get as much then that, and then you still
got the civil trials pending too, and so there's a
few more irons in the fire, but definitely much more
(45:09):
complicated than I wish and many of us wish it
would have been.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
At this point, Reverend Doctor Earl Fisher, Ladies and gentlemen,
thank you sir for taking the time to come on
the show tonight and visit with me and our listeners.
Really appreciate your insight and your observations as always. Thank you,
my friend, appreciate it.
Speaker 13 (45:27):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it all.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
Right, thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
There you go, Reverend Doctor Earl Fisher, Ladies and gentlemen,
nothing but truth every time he comes on the show.
Let's take a final break, and when we come back,
we will wrap up this edition. We're not done quite yet,
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Speaker 2 (50:11):
Washington's real, It's real, It's real.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
It's real, And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on
this beautiful Monday evening in the city. Chip with you
and glad that you are hanging in there with us tonight. Now,
you know I alluded to this at the at the
top of the at the top of the broadcast.
Speaker 10 (50:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
You know, yoga, Uh is a is a is a
pretty big deal from the health perspective, and it has been.
It's been a wave now for for quite some time. Uh,
and a lot of folks are into it. Uh and
uh we'll extol the values of it. Lola was telling
us doing the break she used to teach yoga back
in the day when she worked for when she worked
(50:55):
for the for the for the health Department. But but
my guest, that was who you just heard before I
formally introduced her with my guest tonight, it's Shuandra Ford.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
She is a yoga therapist and she.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
Teaches this and she's she also lets us know that
there are many therapeutic benefits to yoga, but there are
also other benefits as well. And Suandra joins me, now,
welcome to the show. How are you tonight?
Speaker 19 (51:24):
I'm great in yourself.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Doing well, doing well, and thank you for taking some
time to come on the show tonight, and thank you
for having me. Absolutely that not a problem at all.
So yoga, it's a big deal. A lot of folks
are into it. How first of all, how long have
you been into the yoga. And I know you're in
instructor in the whole nine yards, but for how long
(51:46):
have you been doing that?
Speaker 19 (51:48):
I have been practicing yoga since maybe twenty ten.
Speaker 7 (51:54):
Twenty ten I lost my mom and then I kind
of like I was doing like the Grief Camp Slaine
and all these different things, and then and I stumbled
into a yoga class and I kind of fell in
love with it.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
So having said all of that, you know you you
got into it, and of course you're the founder of
Brown Skin Yoga, which is your business. But there was
something interesting about what I read, and I wanted you
to talk a little bit about this. You said that
wellness is a public safety issue, uh, and that teaching
people how to regulate stress and heal from trauma could
(52:32):
reduce crime and really uplift our communities.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
Talk a little bit about that, okay.
Speaker 7 (52:37):
So I am also part of a program that is
called the Prison Prison Yoga Project where we go into jail.
So we go and we teach people that are incocerated
and we just see some yoga. A lot of times
I go over to Little Rock, Arkansas, and I teach there.
(52:58):
And you would be surprised that would be a room
maybe with eighty men practicing yoga.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
So what what what is the benefit from all of this?
I mean you're talking about.
Speaker 19 (53:11):
The benefit is is that there everyone is not a
bad person.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Right.
Speaker 7 (53:18):
Sometimes we get caught up and stuff and things happen,
but it's the rehabilitation part and where we're trying to
heal ourselves and we're trying to do it in a
natural way, just the mindfulnes part.
Speaker 19 (53:33):
I go into a lot.
Speaker 7 (53:34):
Of schools and I probably should not say this, but
I will say this anyway. I went into one of
my schools and I asked one of my students to
tell me something positive about himself.
Speaker 19 (53:47):
And he said, there's nothing positive about me. I ribe people.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
Wow.
Speaker 19 (53:54):
And so with that being said, so just trying to
figure out like ways to.
Speaker 7 (54:01):
You know, just it's our it's our it's our circumstances
where we come up from.
Speaker 19 (54:09):
Where we're used to our situations.
Speaker 7 (54:13):
And we just and we just do the best that
we can. So with the other practice, I'm teaching our mindfulness,
I am teaching them how to find things positive things
to say about themselves. If you ride people, Okay, great, let's.
Speaker 19 (54:28):
Talk about it. Let's let's discuss why why you do
what you do.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
When I go into the jails and I'm teaching, there
are people that are there that have just been.
Speaker 19 (54:42):
It's just it's just they're not bad people. Everyone is
not a bad person.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
What do they tell you after you after you say,
let's let's talk about the prison thing for a second.
After you go into prisons and you teach your yoga
and you teach mindfulness and the whole nine yards, what
what do they.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
Say, Uh, they get out of it?
Speaker 4 (55:03):
What are the benefits for them after after they've completed
a session with you, The.
Speaker 7 (55:08):
Calmness, the mindfulness, the thoughtfulness, learning how to reset and
risk center, how to reconnect with themselves. Some of them
they'll be in jail forever, but they can still reconnect
and just be a better version of themselves even while
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they're incarcerated.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
The ultimate goal of it is is it too? And
you used the term a couple of three times in
this conversation, mindfulness and relaxation. Is that the ultimate goal
of it? When people come to you and say, you know,
I know about yoga, but I don't know you know
much about the benefits of it.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
I want to get into it. Uh, you know what
what what?
Speaker 2 (55:52):
What? What?
Speaker 5 (55:52):
What are people you know saying to you?
Speaker 7 (55:54):
In reference to that, I always tell people that I'm
not the party of a teacher. I am definitely here
to find a more holistic way to heal.
Speaker 19 (56:04):
So when they come to me, it's the.
Speaker 7 (56:11):
Allowing yourself to be steal, allowing yourself to be conscious
in your state of mind, connecting your mind with your breadth,
and just allowing yourself to be exactly where you are.
Almost like we're kind of like reconnecting. We're trying to
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recenter when they leave. And my biggest goal for them
when they do leave is that they have a sense
of calmness. My little kids, I teach kindergarteners. I teach
them yoga, and I'm teaching them how to be steal
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even in kindergarten.
Speaker 19 (56:55):
And then they can do it. You will be so
rest with them. You'll be so proud of them.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
Wow, that's that is This is really neat stuff. Now,
your your businesses is Brown Skin Yoga.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Correct, Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (57:11):
And you and and and you've been doing this for
a while. Anybody has any questions for you or wants
to know more about your your classes, give them the
contact information if you before we get out there.
Speaker 19 (57:23):
Hey, come on and out to the Southbrook Mall. The
Southbrook Mall is open.
Speaker 7 (57:29):
My studio is located at twelve fifty four each Showy Drive.
Speaker 19 (57:34):
I'm in the hood.
Speaker 7 (57:35):
I go on underserved communities and I teach yoga. So yeah,
that's where I grew up and that's where I want
to like kind of give back to my community. And
that's where we are. And they can check me out
on Instagram. That can see all my little baby faces,
all our little black and brown faces.
Speaker 19 (57:59):
They can definitely check.
Speaker 7 (58:01):
Me out on my website at www dot b r
oh gosh. I confused myself b r w s k
y o g a dot com.
Speaker 4 (58:12):
Well listen, uh, thank you for coming on the show.
This is uh, you know, I feel relaxed already said
I hadn't even done the yoga thing. But see, you
got me all in this little mindset. Man, because I'm.
Speaker 19 (58:23):
Getting ready to leave me, I'll give you a free ques.
Speaker 18 (58:29):
Us.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Thank you, Sandra, I really appreciate Itand for ladies and gentlemen,
thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 5 (58:35):
And I really appreciate you.
Speaker 19 (58:36):
Thank you so much, thank you so much for having.
Speaker 4 (58:39):
Me absolutely that uh so, and listen. That's that's how
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Hen, here we go. Here we go on this Monday
evening in the city. It is June the ninth, twenty
twenty five, six o'clock straight up, which means it it's
time for an all new, live in all new real
talk Memphis. Very happy to have you with us on
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here with you again this evening. And you know, all
my crew is in the house tonight. You know, I
get a little cranky when my folks are missing. But
you know, Lolo was out last week, but she's back
and everybody's in the house, and everybody's feeling fine and
doing good. Good show tonight. Lola, by the way, good stuff,
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How about that. Huh.
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So, yeah, we gotta a lot of stuff in store
for you this evening.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
In terms of the guests, I think we we've done
pretty well this week.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
We have the first guest that's going to be joining
me in the next few minutes.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
And this is the first.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
He is the first, the first elected black mayor in
the history of Horn Lake, Mississippi, will be joining me
in just a few minutes.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
His name is Jimmy Stokes. Uh. And yeah, that's a big,
big deal.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I used to cover North Mississippi when my TV days
at Channel five, and yeah, things things have changed and
they're growing up out there. A little bit, we'll be
talking with the mayor electing just a couple of minutes.
A little bit later on, the Reverend doctor Earle Fishsher
will be joining me. Of course, I always bring him
around when you know things are you know, at a
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certain level in our city and I need to give
his truth.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And and you know, his conversation about it. What is
happening in and around our communities? Good, bad, right, wrong,
in the.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Whole nine yards.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
A bit later on, how many of you out there
are yoga enthusiast As Lola raises her hand, there are
many folks who who really enjoy the relaxation aspect of yoga.
But there my next my guest later on this evening,
Mischa Shuandra Ford, is a yoga therapist, and she says
(04:22):
that this could be very useful and she and she
uses it in terms of public health and a lot
of other things. And you know, it could be used
to used to reduce stress and make people think about
certain actions that they may take, you know, because their
body is not in tune to where it needs to be.
So I look forward to having a conversation with her
(04:43):
about all of this. A little bit later on, yoga
looks relaxing. I've done it a couple of times, and
that's why I'll never do it again, because you know,
the body just doesn't roll around like.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
It used to.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
But that's a whole other story. Anyway, that's the rundown
for the show this evening. But first things first, you know,
we're getting into the time year June's big birthday month
on in case you didn't know that, and a lot
of folks are celebrating birthdays this month. A lot of
folks are celebrating birthdays today. And speaking of that, we
like to do a little thing called the shout out
where we celebrate with you on your day, which is
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two day. But we can't do that until I say
hit it, Brent, all right, here we go, Here we go.
I got a lot to get to tonight. Happy birthday
going out to Jesse Johnson, Roy Davis celebrating his birthday today.
Happy birthday to Christopher Davis, Shirley Williams, Sandra Hamer Smith
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celebrating her birthday today. Happy birthday to Paul Boade, Francis Sadler,
Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday Bridget Sanders, Lynda McFarlane,
Michael Thomas, rob Long I am helland and Tony Beden
Junior And what would the should I be without one.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
From Lola Lola, happy for the latest and my best
kid with the testes fory Hollywood, and happy early birthday
to my sister Tony Robinson.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
I love you, Tappy.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Birthday to each and every one of you out there.
It is of course, you know, when you make another
trip around the sun, it is always it is always
a good thing, and so we celebrate with you. Of course,
we wish this to you on this day, love and happiness,
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and we hope to be with you next year for
your next trip around the Sun.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Thanks Brandon.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
By the way, before we get into this, because I
just got a text with one of my guests, lorda,
what's the past word for the guests to get in
the log for the zoom folks? W Oh can you guys? Okay,
there we go. W y x r FM. If you
if you're listening to me, mister Stokes, w y x
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r FM, lowercase, right, I think yeah, lower case w
y x r FM. That is the password to get in.
So I'm hoping that you will have a you won't
have any issues before we get to you in just
a couple of minutes. But first things first, let's uh,
let's talk some news, how about that. Of course, my
home city from my home state, California, Los Angeles, has
(07:31):
been in the news quite.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
A bit here lately.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Uh, the ice immigration raids that are going on out
there have escalated to a very tense situation. The President
of the United States deployed the National Guard over the
wishes of the governor of the state of California, who
would be the one to authorize that by sending several
(07:57):
hundred National Guard troops into the city to quote unquote
keep the peace.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
As he likes to say.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And now it seems as if the President has mobilized
about seven hundred Marines, I believe is who is mobilizing
now the Marines. We're talking about a function of the
Armed Services who has nothing to do with any of
this at all. So we're talking about bringing in Marines
(08:29):
to what fight Americans on American soil. That's where we're
at with this whole thing. This has gotten so far
out of control now because people are protesting the way
this is done. Nobody's saying that immigration is not a problem.
Nobody's saying that people crossing the border illegally is not
a problem, because it is. But when you start all
(08:50):
of this with the guys that are removing dope dealers
and murderers and rapists in the whole nine yards, as
was indicated initially by the federal government, and now you
start snatching people out of home depots and a lot
of other places with these surprise and ambush attacks, then
we're starting to get into a whole different category. Agree
(09:10):
with me it, don't agree with me that that's your
prerogative as an American citizen. But this this type of
situation in terms of federalizing troops i e. The National Guard,
this hadn't happened in over sixty years, and the last
time it happened was when President Johnson sent federal troops
in during the race riots in Alabama. As you remember
(09:35):
in Selma. That was a long time ago. And to
bring this up and to do it without even consulting
any of the local government officials out in Los Angeles
and of the state of California is just unconscionable.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
In reference to all of this.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Gavin Newsom, who is the governor of the state of California,
defil suit against President Trump in the White House today
saying that their local police could handle this situation. Crowds
that are massing out there, and you keep pushing on
folks and pushing on folks and not even giving them
a chance to even protest.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Peacefully, which is how you should protest.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Then folks start to get a different kind of a
way in a different kind of an attitude. We are
preaching that folks, if you're going to protest, which is fine,
and that is within your right, and you are within
your right to do that.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
But do it peacefully.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Don't give people a reason to become violent, because that
could lead to some very tragic consequences and we don't
want that to happen. We can make our point non violently.
We have in the past, and we can in this
situation as well, but it bears keeping a watch on,
ladies and gentlemen. Congratulations to Mississippi Boulevard Christian Church. They
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announced last week that they are in the midst are
going to be a part of a three hundred and
ten million dollar redevelopment plan in partnership with Nashville one
of the HBCUs, the historical HBCU Mahari College up there.
They are going to bring Mahara Medical College is going
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to bring a facility to Memphis as a part of
this redevelopment plan that Mississippi Boulevard Christian Church is going
to launch. There's going to be restaurants, is going to
be housing there, It's going to be a mixed use.
And then of course now the medical component. Uh, you know,
for many of our folks who can't afford it, that
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is that is a pretty big deal, and that's pretty
big news as well. So we we congratulate the folks
at Mississippi Boulevard and we congratulate the folks at Mahari
Medical College who are going to be opening up a
facility down here in the next few years as well.
Much needed. There was a shooting over the weekend. Well
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that's nothing new. Cache A forty two is a restaurant.
There was a triple shooting over there this weekend, late
in the evening I think Saturday night. I wanted to
say three people, all teens. I don't know. I didn't
know that there was more than one. Okay, well yeah,
well one of these Castiday forty two, but lolas, they
(12:14):
did more than one location. Huh okay, oh money bag yo.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Okay, yeah, that's his restaurant.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
But anyway, three teens eighteen nineteen eighteen and seventeen nineteen
eighteen and sixteen years of age were shot. Unfortunately, the
eighteen year old was shot and killed. The investigation continues.
Not a lot to be said on this particular case,
but we will keep an eye on it as well.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Ladies and gentlemen. We say it all the time.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
You know what, gunplay does not solve anything, all right.
So we're going to take a break and when we
come back, we're gonna get into the broadcast.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
What do you say.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
When we come back, we're going to talk to the
newly elected mayor of Horn Lake, Mississippi.
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Hey, I'm chipped. You know who you are.
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's real, It's real.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
And welcome back to real talk.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Man.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
If it's on this beautiful Monday evening in the city.
Glad you're doing okay, and glad that I have you
with us so this evening and I'm really happy, uh
to have my first guest tonight. You know, Hornlake has
been around Hornlake, Mississippi, rather has been around for a
long time, and uh, they recently made history. When it
(15:44):
was first announced, it seemed like it was a little
under the radar. But when folks started to really get
a grip on all of this, they went, yeah, this
is now, this is something that we ought to really
celebrate here in reference to it, this my first guest
is Jimmy Stokes. He is the first black elected mayor
in the history of Horn Lake, Mississippi.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
And Mayor Alex Stokes, it is great to see huh,
there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, the applause, But Mayster, Mayor of Lex Stokes is
great to see you and great to have you with
the show.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
It's good to good to have you here.
Speaker 11 (16:18):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And again, congratulations sir on your on your victory. Congratulations
to you and all of the folks who worked hard
to help to get you elected. You know, you and
I talked a little bit off Era last night, and
I think you're still kind of an election mode. But
but but, but the voltes have been counted and then
and you're in office now. Now, just to give folks
(16:38):
a little bit of background, You're you're from Memphis. You're
a white Haven. You're a white Haven guy. Am I correcting?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
That, yes, sir, class of.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
High school. Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
And and you are also if people don't know, you're
also a pastor. And your church is where is your church?
What's the name of your church? And where is it
here in the city.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Nor northeast side Church of Christ in Barlett, Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Well you there, That's where I live. I live in Partley, Tennessee.
But in any event, it is it is great to
have you really on the show. And again congratulations. You
have been in the political circles out there for a while.
A lot of people know you. You were a planning
commissioner I believe, or you're on the planning commission for
a while, so you you've kind of been ingratiating yourself
(17:21):
in the inner world of politics in that city.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Correct, correct, Yes, sir.
Speaker 11 (17:26):
I've been a planning mission planning commissioner under all the
woman the son of Johnson of Ward five since twenty
seventeen when she became the first African American alderman of
Horn Lake. And then she chose me to be her
appointed planning commissioner. So I had the opportunity to be
involved in the planning department learning how to do you
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know some of the subdivisions, developments, zonings, different things like that.
So I am familiar with it, very familiar with our
city board and everything else.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
But to Bede, a jump from the commissioner board to mayor.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, that's a pretty that's a pretty big jump. So
tell me what was it or what was the deciding
factor for you at this particular point in time to say,
you know what, I think I want to run from
mayor of the city that I that I live in.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think it was.
Speaker 11 (18:23):
I remember being on the board and uh, just being
able to work with the others that was on the
commissioner's board, all of us were appointed, but recognizing that,
you know, I made suggestions on things and everybody seemed
to be like, you know what, that makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
And then to be able to go and sit in
the mayor's office, uh and talk and chat with him
and learn things from him.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (18:48):
And then I just it's like almost like God said, Hey,
look at this, I'm putting your feet on ground that
could be yours one day, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And I remember going back to my church.
Speaker 11 (18:58):
It was probably twenty somewhere around there, not too long
got to become a commissioner. I told my church'll said,
I feel like God is calling me to run for
office of mayor one day in Hornick and just lead
the city to be in a better position. I could
see some of the things that we lacked in development,
and when I looked at the numbers and started to
(19:19):
realize that, man, maybe Hornley can do a whole lot
better with a.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Leader with a vision. You know, visionary leadership.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
You know, you don't wake up one morning and say, hey,
I'm a visionary leader. You know that's something that God
give you where you see a lack of something in
need and you wanted if other people see it. So
the more I started talking to people, especially in twenty
twenty one when I ran for office, I lost about
like one hundred and eighty votes maybe something like that
to Mayor Latimer and people, my message, my platform resonated.
(19:52):
People really believed. And when I said, for me to
run for the first time, and here it is, I'm
one hundred and eighty votes for winning.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, that for the very first time.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
So you decided in this election cycle that you were
going to run, God convicted you and said it's time,
UH to get out here and and and and do this.
Uh I heard from one of your staffers that you shook.
If you couldn't shake every hand in horn Lake, you
got pretty close to it.
Speaker 11 (20:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I was sold. You shook well over five hundred hands.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And you went out every day, right in the morning
and in the afternoon because it was important to you.
That personal touch was important to you, that they that
they saw you, that they felt you, and that they
heard you.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Correct, correct, correct. I know they wanted me to.
Speaker 11 (20:38):
Do a lot of parties and all the other stuff,
but I told them the thing that work in horn
Lake is shaking people's hands, meeting them face to face.
They want to lie they eyes on you. And I
had a team of three young men.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I love these young guys.
Speaker 11 (20:51):
They they just came to me doing a campaign or
somebody introduced them to me. These three young men made
sure that we were knocked on every door we could
and Hornlake.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
These are young guys in their twenties.
Speaker 11 (21:03):
And when I got tired, they went out and kept going,
you know, and then they said, now I'm the Stokes.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's full quarter. You can't get tired.
Speaker 11 (21:10):
So yes, I wanted to meet every person I could,
all the way up to the next day. So for
four months, for four months and more or more, we
was either knocking on doors when it's raining, We're making
phone calls. We're gonna do it, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So you know and obviously that that was a winning formula.
So so tell us now that it's starting to sink
in a bit, and you are going to be the
leader of this city and you're going to they're going
to a charter course for the future. What is on
your radar? What are you looking at? What are the
needs of Horned Lake as you see them and as
you try to guide them into the future.
Speaker 11 (21:48):
My number one priority is to build the right platform
for Hornlake. I mean the righty conment, righty conment platform.
Is there the right to contment Hornlake?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Is?
Speaker 11 (21:58):
I tell for you this all the time. Most people
only didn't know this. We work in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Already we're the tenth largest city in the state of Mississippi.
Speaker 11 (22:07):
In twenty twenty five, where the fourteenth largest city, which
means we had a point thirty five decreasing our population,
but we're still the fourteenth largest city in Mississippi out
of four hundred city in towns. Think about that, a
city of our size should be able to do more
than fast food called wash the gas stations and discount stores.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
We should be able to bring in some large corporate
businesses that can bring revenue to our cities so that
we can do what we want when it comes to
fixing our parks, when it comes to our roads, not
always waiting on a grant or some kind of state funds.
I want us to get to the point where we
build an economent where we can take care of ourselves.
You know what my grandfather used to tell me all
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the time. He said, son, you can use credit all
the time, or you can learn how to have that
money in your account.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
You know.
Speaker 11 (22:58):
Yes, So that's what I want to do for one
of la I want us to building the connment.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That's that's beyond minimum wage jobs.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Right.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
So, right now, what I'm doing is also looking at
the new development coming into horn that and making sure
that it's some things that we can depend on the
help with the revenue of the city so that we
can take care of the city. You don't go to
twenty six thousand people and you're still treat it like
a small town, right.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Yeah, we become it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
We want to want to we want to do business
like a major city.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
You know, and and and and there's and there's a
lot to be said by that. You either said, you're
the fourteenth largest city, uh, in the in the in
the state of Mississippi. And that's a that's a that's
that's a pretty you know, healthy, hefty, hefty deal in
and of itself right there. And you've seen the I've
seen the progress of horn Lake growing and growing and
you know, continuing to grow. But you really want to
take that tiplate and really expand it out. You're seeing
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that there are a lot of things that horn Lake
does have. It does have a bit of a charm
to it, uh, But but you really want to In
other words, if you if you want to be a
player out here and you want to compete with other folks,
you have to have things in your city that people
want to be attracted to.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Correctly, am I correcting?
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Correct?
Speaker 11 (24:09):
You have millions of dollars driving through horn Lake every
day because we don't have certain things right.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You know, we have a few.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
Restaurants, but man, we could actually do a whole lot
better with sit down restaurants. We don't have a movie theaters,
something I mentioned a lot in the campaign. We're one
of three Top twenty cities that don't have a movie theater.
So you think about people that shop from the Delta
to horn Lake, Man, we could provide that for those
small towns that probably couldn't get one, right, but that
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money drive through Horn Lake and go to other neighboring
cities toward the east. So if you think about Olive Branch,
all the branches built a city where they can take
care of people all the way from Marshall County always
to all the Branches being a major what major city,
So we want to do the same on the west.
We want to be able to provide from the Delta
up to make sure that those mayors that we support
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them and up building a stronger economy that also support
us provide things that those people in those cities needs.
I want to make sure that all the meiggas in
that area. Horny Lake is a blessing to the west
side of Mississippi. I call us the northwestern gate to
the UH.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
To nord Mississippi.
Speaker 11 (25:15):
That's what I call us all the time with the gateway,
and so we want to take advantage that with our
diverse population. The average age of our citizens in Horn
Lakeer is thirty five. That's a young city.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
It's a young that's young.
Speaker 11 (25:27):
Yeah, and you got young families. Man, do you not
know they want they want some family friendly, enjoyable environments, right.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, without having to go to Memphis or Yeah. I
get that. I get that South Hay everything else. Yeah,
I get that. I get that. That makes a lot
of sense. And so in terms of of.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Of of all of this, Uh, were you when when
when election night came? Because I'm always curious about this,
the thought process. I know all candidates who run for
officer nervous.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
About it and and everything. Did you have that the
day of the election? How did you field? Were you
in some way comforted by uh you know, uh, the
God sort of you know, put a calm inside you
to say, you know what, it's gonna be all right
at the end of all of this. Or were you
a nervous wreck? I mean, how did you how did
you approach How did you approach election day?
Speaker 11 (26:15):
I was calm, I would say calm, because I'm the
kind of person, you know, once I put it in
the work, all I got is up. It's up to
God from there, you know, God and them voters. You know,
it's up it's up to them from there. If they
choose me, I'm gonna be the best mayor that I
could be. If they don't, I'm gonna keep fighting for
my community. So I was come, but you know, I
was excited, uh like, I mean, I was anxious. You know,
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I'm like, I'm waiting on I'm waiting over war two
numbers to come in. But overall I was pretty calm.
Uh And I think I think I think you all
probably see history or I'm just still grasping it.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yeah, yeah, it'll take a minute. Yeah, it's just just
just thinking. I'm pretty sure. But one thing before I
let you go, one thing I did hear is that
the is that the political wave may be changing in
the Horn Lake in terms of all the men. Tell
me a little bit about about about that.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
Uh So, we we we we now flipped the board
to the majority of Democrats. We only had one Democrat
on the Altaman board all the one of the son
of Johnson, which is my Altman Auto woman. But now
we flipped every one of the seats except too to Democratic.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Uh So, for the first time in history.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
You have a democratic mayor, democratic altam at large and
full law also ataman seats taken by Democrats.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
That's a big deal, my friend.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
That that that that says a lot about the changing
tide of Horn Lake, Mississippi. Well listen, I'm first of all,
I'm very happy that that you took the time to
come on the show tonight to talk with me and
our audience. Extraordinarily proud of your efforts. Uh uh and
uh we we'll be pulling for you.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
And uh.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
This is maybe your first time on the show, but
I'm hoping that it won't be the last.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I hope you'll come back and visit us down the road.
That bit.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Thank you, I gotta mean, ma'am, I'm just happy. But
this is this is uh Mayor elect Jimmy Stokes of
White of of of Horn Lake, Mississippi.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
And I gotta give you all of this myself, but
thank you for coming on the show, my friend. Appreciate
you and all the best of luck to you. Uh
down the road. Really really appreciate you, and congratulations again.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Thank you, Thank you again.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Mister Washington, apiate you absolutely absolutely there you go, ladies
and gentlemen, History in the making and Horn Lake, Mississippi,
And y'all treat the mayor right now.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
He's gonna treat you right. You treat him right as well.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Let us take a break, and when we come back,
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Speaker 4 (31:04):
And welcome back to real Talking Memphers on this Monday
evening in the city Chip with you and along with
my next guest, and this is this gentleman. I like
to invite him on the show because he is one
who hits the issues head on. He faces the issues
head on, uh and he is a very very smart guy.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
And I like to to to tap his knowledge.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Please, welcome to the show, Reverend doctor Earl Fisher, and
it is great to see you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
How are you tonight.
Speaker 13 (31:33):
I'm doing okay, man, glad to be back with you.
Even though Pastor slash Mayor Alex Stoke is a tough
act to follow. That was a wonderful interview.
Speaker 14 (31:42):
Man.
Speaker 13 (31:42):
I'm glad we got a chance to hear his vision
for horn Lake and that history making election.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Man, So thank you absolutely that.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
So listen, before we get into a local things around here,
I wanted to get you to tap into you a
little bit about what is happening in California, more importantly
in my home city, Los Angeles, with the situation and
the President calling in the National Guard and without the
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without consider the governor, and a lot of just all
of the turmoil and message is going on out there.
I wanted to see if I could get a take
from you on what you see In reference to.
Speaker 13 (32:19):
That, I mean, I'm watching the development. It's actually on
my TV now. Just you know, the second day of demonstrations,
police and right gear, as you mentioned earlier in the
first kind of lead in you got for the first
time since LBJ and the Civil rights movement, you have
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a president who did not wait for government or governor's
requests to send in, you know, federal troops, National Guard folks.
And I think one of the interesting aguage that this
is this is not something where people in Los Angele
this was upset with something that Mayor Bass did, or
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that they were upset with something that Governor Newsom did.
They were protesting the policies that were coming from the
federal government. And I think we have to be real,
sober minded about how we got to this point. And
there's been a lot of conversation, a lot of spin,
(33:27):
a lot of in your window, a lot of fluff,
but the bottom line, in the black fact is elections
had consequences, and we have to really think long and
hard about what our strategies are and what our engagement
tactes look like. Because I don't think anybody is viewing
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this as some wondrous set of developments. I mean, we
are in a very tender and fragile kind of moment,
and what is happening in your hometown, brother, is reverberating,
not just across the West coast or even across the country.
It is actually reverberating across the world, and we have
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to really be thinking about what the next iteration of
our fragile democratic project looks like.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Absolutely that it's really it bears washing, no doubt about it,
no doubt about that. I want to shift gears back
home here. You know, last time I had you on,
we were talking about the Department of Justice in the
consent Decree that was issued at that particular time in
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reference to what had been going on here systematically in
our city with the treatment of our citizens in reference
to law enforcement for a very long time. Now, with
this new administration, the Department of Justice is pulled all
of these investigations out and away from cities like Minnesota,
Minneapolis and in Saint Louis US, the whole nine. So
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now we don't have that to follow, even though our
administration was hesitant about that the last time it came around.
I wanted to get your take on that and more importantly,
where we are in your eyes in terms of the
accountability of our law enforcement agency to do the job
that they are supposed to do and treat our people
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with more respect, if you will, I'm very curious to
find out kind of where you think we're going from here.
Speaker 13 (35:30):
Yeah, man, I don't think we have enough time, but
I'll try to take a stab at it, because there's
a lot of different layers to this you've already mentioned,
like the dynamic between the federal government, you know, the
Trump administration, and when you win elections, you get to
appoint people like as Attorney General or the Department of Justice,
and they get to carry out your vision for an
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entity and apparatus like that. And it's clear that when
it came to police and criminal justice reform, Trump did
not see a vision that was consistent with the vision
of Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. And so now when
you get to appoint people to a position like the
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Department of Justice, you have to pick up the time
of whatever the previous administration was trying to implement. And
so we saw like record numbers of patterning and practice
investigations from the first Obama administration all the way through
even the first time. You know, Trump kind of stalled it.
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I think he may have continued like three of the
twenty or so that I think may have been under
Obama administration, but you know, this time you see them
like flat out stopping some of the stuff, and the
consent decrees that were being implemented or like being rolled back.
So I mean, that's a weird kind of dynamic when
you look at somebody like mayor Young who doesn't want
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to be seen in alignment with Trump ideologically or philosophically,
but echoed some of that same sentiment even before the election,
when he was saying that they were not going to well,
this was after the election, because it was December when
the Pattern of the Practice investigation came down, and at
the time, even before the inauguration, Mary Young was saying
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that he was not going to sign on to the
consent decree, needed more information. And then it's gotten to
the point now where and I think what I'm about
to say as a matter of their matter of their
legal strategy, and we could discuss that to the degree
that we're able, they're saying now that the findings in
the Pattern of the Practice investigation are meaningless. And that's
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just ridiculous because that's a gen that you cannot put
back back in the bottle. And those of us who
have been out engaged in the community trying to even
recruit people to tell these necessary stories about their encounters
with law enforcement. You know what I'm saying. You cannot
tell me that those stories did not matter. We just
knew that we needed federal apparatus and support in terms
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of enforcement of some of the criminal justice and police
reform measures that we were proposing. But you know, now
there's a whole lot of minutia, and you have the
Mayor's task Force, which six months in has not produced anything,
not even a memo I'm familiar with. And I've had
a conversation with him, you know, and I just told him,
(38:24):
and I think that he underestimated the level of bureaucracy
that's engaged in some of these governmental kind of processes,
and so where he might have wanted to put the
task force together and then you know, line out things
to start hammering stuff out. You know, here we are
six months in, and I'm sure that there are people
who are working real hard on that task force, and
(38:45):
I'm sure Judge Donald is doing what she can. I
just knew at the offset that we did not have
the same kind of opportunity from the dj Report and
that Department of Justice under as we would have right now.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
And here we are the.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
One of the aspects of all of this is the
trust level, and I don't believe that there is very
much trust between the citizens of our city UH and
those who represent the law enforcement agencies, whether it be
from the past or whether it be what's going on
now and what you very very eloquently stated in reference
to the fact that this task force, we've heard nothing
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except you know, we heard when it was a sign
and that the judge, retired Judge Donald was going to
hit it. But we hadn't heard anything else in reference
to it at all. People's confidence in law enforcement. I
think UH is shaken and very very skeptical. And I
guess really from from your perspective, where do we go
from here?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I mean, because we're at a level now we're seeing
an increase in violence, although the people from the Crime
Commission keep saying that certain metrics within the crime statistics
are trending downward, which very much confuses me because the
news feeds that I look at every day indicate a
different story.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
What about you?
Speaker 13 (40:08):
Yeah, So you know, I think I'm trying to kind
of push the mayor to push back on some of
the media stuff too, because we need to know what
the truth is and what I think we see from
a media standpoint is regardless of what the numbers are,
most of those media outlets are going to lead with
bloody stories as long as they are there. So it
feels as if crime is high and immediate no matter
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what the numbers are, And so that's part of that
feelings over facts kind of deal. And so at some
point I think the people who are in positions of
power have to hold media outlets accountable for making the
necessary modifications in how they are reporting, because right now,
I think there's a level of sensationalism attached to the
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crime and the violence, but nationally and locally, by most
objective accounts, there is a slight decrease. It doesn't mean
that there's not more things that need to be done,
but that's one particular truth as it relates to the
trust in law enforcement. We are really behind the eight
ball in the road to hold got a whole lot
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longer after the Tyree Nichols murder trial because we had
an opportunity, and I wrote about this, We had an
opportunity to put front and center this gap between policing
culture and policing policy. Because when Tyree Nichols was murdered.
You had Chief Davis get on national outlets and say
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these officers violated policy and they did not follow their training.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Well, when it.
Speaker 13 (41:39):
Was time for the state trial, there, the defense's primary
argument was they followed their training and they followed the policy.
But the state never called anybody from MPD up to
refute that. And so it leaves this gap of are
we still talking about policy? Are we still talking about
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policing culture. It just seems like policing culture, which is
much more rogue and reckless, seems to be winning out
of the policy, even if you get some of these
police reform policies passed. And so until we deal with
that gap, I think we're still going to have a
high level of distrust, and I think it is a
legitimate and warranted distrust.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Finally, I want to ask you about the Tarry Nichols trial.
The state trial. Of course, you know, we pulled in
a jury from Chattanooga and twenty one counts against these officers,
three officers, and all of them were found not guilty.
I saw you on several news outlets in and around
the city when that verdict came down, and how big
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a blow was that for you? To see that in
reference to what we were and so many people were
hoping for in terms of accountability of these officers.
Speaker 13 (42:55):
So I think it's an enormous blow in so far
as justice and truth are concerned. It is significant, but
not insurmountable when you think about the fact that the
federal trial had already happened and all of them are
still waiting to be sentenced. Right, but those of us
who were watching the state trials still want to know,
you know, how we were asked to look at this
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white jury in a majority black city, so it's clearly
not a jury of the peers of the defendants, and
how they were able to look at the evidence and
then they believed the defense argument over their lying eyes
because the video evidence is clear. And so this does
tie into, you know, the things that are written out
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in the pattern and practice investigation, which is why I'm
saying it's erroneous to call it meaningless unless it's just
part some legal strategy and you kind of need to
lowyer it up. But for those of us who want
to deal with common since in the real world what
policing has taking place, it is not hard to see
that there are supervisors who need to be held accountable,
and up to this point, I don't know of not
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one of them that was held accountable. There are people
who knew that there was inconsistencies and discrepancies between what
police reports were reading and what the videos were showing.
And you tell me that this jury, that ironically was
selected from one of the whitest counties in the area,
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was able to look at these black brothers and for
the first time humanize black folks in a way that
you wouldn't do if they were not police officers. So
you know, there's definitely much more for us to sift
through when we start thinking about what the truth is
and what justice actually looks like, because I don't know
anybody who would be reasonable that would say that this
was not an unjust verdict. But there's still something insofar
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as accountability is concerned, which is why it's important to
have federal legislators and people in federal office who can
do what happened during the previous trial, the federal trial,
because now you got to try to rely on that
and get as much then that, and then you still
got the civil trials pending too, and so there's a
few more irons in the fire, but definitely much more
(45:09):
complicated than I wish and many of us wish it
would have been.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
At this point, Reverend Doctor Earl Fisher, Ladies and gentlemen,
thank you sir for taking the time to come on
the show tonight and visit with me and our listeners.
Really appreciate your insight and your observations as always. Thank you,
my friend, appreciate it.
Speaker 13 (45:27):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it all.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
Right, thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
There you go, Reverend Doctor Earl Fisher, Ladies and gentlemen,
nothing but truth every time he comes on the show.
Let's take a final break, and when we come back,
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It's real, And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on
this beautiful Monday evening in the city. Chip with you
and glad that you are hanging in there with us tonight. Now,
you know I alluded to this at the at the
top of the at the top of the broadcast.
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Speaker 4 (50:34):
You know, yoga, Uh is a is a is a
pretty big deal from the health perspective, and it has been.
It's been a wave now for for quite some time. Uh,
and a lot of folks are into it. Uh and
uh we'll extol the values of it. Lola was telling
us doing the break she used to teach yoga back
in the day when she worked for when she worked
(50:55):
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my guest, that was who you just heard before I
formally introduced her with my guest tonight, it's Shuandra Ford.
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She is a yoga therapist and she.
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Teaches this and she's she also lets us know that
there are many therapeutic benefits to yoga, but there are
also other benefits as well. And Suandra joins me, now,
welcome to the show. How are you tonight?
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I'm great in yourself.
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Doing well, doing well, and thank you for taking some
time to come on the show tonight, and thank you
for having me. Absolutely that not a problem at all.
So yoga, it's a big deal. A lot of folks
are into it. How first of all, how long have
you been into the yoga. And I know you're in
instructor in the whole nine yards, but for how long
(51:46):
have you been doing that?
Speaker 19 (51:48):
I have been practicing yoga since maybe twenty ten.
Speaker 7 (51:54):
Twenty ten I lost my mom and then I kind
of like I was doing like the Grief Camp Slaine
and all these different things, and then and I stumbled
into a yoga class and I kind of fell in
love with it.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
So having said all of that, you know you you
got into it, and of course you're the founder of
Brown Skin Yoga, which is your business. But there was
something interesting about what I read, and I wanted you
to talk a little bit about this. You said that
wellness is a public safety issue, uh, and that teaching
people how to regulate stress and heal from trauma could
(52:32):
reduce crime and really uplift our communities.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
Talk a little bit about that, okay.
Speaker 7 (52:37):
So I am also part of a program that is
called the Prison Prison Yoga Project where we go into jail.
So we go and we teach people that are incocerated
and we just see some yoga. A lot of times
I go over to Little Rock, Arkansas, and I teach there.
(52:58):
And you would be surprised that would be a room
maybe with eighty men practicing yoga.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
So what what what is the benefit from all of this?
I mean you're talking about.
Speaker 19 (53:11):
The benefit is is that there everyone is not a
bad person.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Right.
Speaker 7 (53:18):
Sometimes we get caught up and stuff and things happen,
but it's the rehabilitation part and where we're trying to
heal ourselves and we're trying to do it in a
natural way, just the mindfulnes part.
Speaker 19 (53:33):
I go into a lot.
Speaker 7 (53:34):
Of schools and I probably should not say this, but
I will say this anyway. I went into one of
my schools and I asked one of my students to
tell me something positive about himself.
Speaker 19 (53:47):
And he said, there's nothing positive about me. I ribe people.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
Wow.
Speaker 19 (53:54):
And so with that being said, so just trying to
figure out like ways to.
Speaker 7 (54:01):
You know, just it's our it's our it's our circumstances
where we come up from.
Speaker 19 (54:09):
Where we're used to our situations.
Speaker 7 (54:13):
And we just and we just do the best that
we can. So with the other practice, I'm teaching our mindfulness,
I am teaching them how to find things positive things
to say about themselves. If you ride people, Okay, great, let's.
Speaker 19 (54:28):
Talk about it. Let's let's discuss why why you do
what you do.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
When I go into the jails and I'm teaching, there
are people that are there that have just been.
Speaker 19 (54:42):
It's just it's just they're not bad people. Everyone is
not a bad person.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
What do they tell you after you after you say,
let's let's talk about the prison thing for a second.
After you go into prisons and you teach your yoga
and you teach mindfulness and the whole nine yards, what
what do they.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
Say, Uh, they get out of it?
Speaker 4 (55:03):
What are the benefits for them after after they've completed
a session with you, The.
Speaker 7 (55:08):
Calmness, the mindfulness, the thoughtfulness, learning how to reset and
risk center, how to reconnect with themselves. Some of them
they'll be in jail forever, but they can still reconnect
and just be a better version of themselves even while
(55:30):
they're incarcerated.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
The ultimate goal of it is is it too? And
you used the term a couple of three times in
this conversation, mindfulness and relaxation. Is that the ultimate goal
of it? When people come to you and say, you know,
I know about yoga, but I don't know you know
much about the benefits of it.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
I want to get into it. Uh, you know what
what what?
Speaker 2 (55:52):
What? What?
Speaker 5 (55:52):
What are people you know saying to you?
Speaker 7 (55:54):
In reference to that, I always tell people that I'm
not the party of a teacher. I am definitely here
to find a more holistic way to heal.
Speaker 19 (56:04):
So when they come to me, it's the.
Speaker 7 (56:11):
Allowing yourself to be steal, allowing yourself to be conscious
in your state of mind, connecting your mind with your breadth,
and just allowing yourself to be exactly where you are.
Almost like we're kind of like reconnecting. We're trying to
(56:33):
recenter when they leave. And my biggest goal for them
when they do leave is that they have a sense
of calmness. My little kids, I teach kindergarteners. I teach
them yoga, and I'm teaching them how to be steal
(56:53):
even in kindergarten.
Speaker 19 (56:55):
And then they can do it. You will be so
rest with them. You'll be so proud of them.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
Wow, that's that is This is really neat stuff. Now,
your your businesses is Brown Skin Yoga.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Correct, Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (57:11):
And you and and and you've been doing this for
a while. Anybody has any questions for you or wants
to know more about your your classes, give them the
contact information if you before we get out there.
Speaker 19 (57:23):
Hey, come on and out to the Southbrook Mall. The
Southbrook Mall is open.
Speaker 7 (57:29):
My studio is located at twelve fifty four each Showy Drive.
Speaker 19 (57:34):
I'm in the hood.
Speaker 7 (57:35):
I go on underserved communities and I teach yoga. So yeah,
that's where I grew up and that's where I want
to like kind of give back to my community. And
that's where we are. And they can check me out
on Instagram. That can see all my little baby faces,
all our little black and brown faces.
Speaker 19 (57:59):
They can definitely check.
Speaker 7 (58:01):
Me out on my website at www dot b r
oh gosh. I confused myself b r w s k
y o g a dot com.
Speaker 4 (58:12):
Well listen, uh, thank you for coming on the show.
This is uh, you know, I feel relaxed already said
I hadn't even done the yoga thing. But see, you
got me all in this little mindset. Man, because I'm.
Speaker 19 (58:23):
Getting ready to leave me, I'll give you a free ques.
Speaker 18 (58:29):
Us.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Thank you, Sandra, I really appreciate Itand for ladies and gentlemen,
thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 5 (58:35):
And I really appreciate you.
Speaker 19 (58:36):
Thank you so much, thank you so much for having.
Speaker 4 (58:39):
Me absolutely that uh so, and listen. That's that's how
that wraps us up for this evening. Best Brent plays.
It's out in Brent. Before you do that, your show
event Horizon is next. Pap the mic and tell them
what they can expect this evening from you.
Speaker 20 (58:53):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (58:55):
Tonight.
Speaker 20 (58:56):
Usually I switch it up from genre's genre, but tonight
we'll be plan I'll try to stick to, you know,
some stuff. So we'll be playing some uh, some New
York rap, some dirty South stuff.
Speaker 5 (59:08):
Uh.
Speaker 20 (59:08):
And then after the thirty minutes, you know, but the
second thirty minutes, excuse me, I should say, we'll be
playing some uh, you know, some horror punk and some
some rock and metal that may go in a little
bit of a darker direction.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
All right, it's a bit of rising lad
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