Sarah Carpenter, Dr. Aaron Jagers, and Patrick and Shemika Herrington

Episode Notes My guests include Sarah Carpenter, Executive director, Memphis Lift. They educate and empower parents to advocate for their children. She shares her thoughts on the beginning of this school year, thoughts about the current board and if she agrees with the County Commission. Next, are you aware that you can learn how to fly the friendly skies in college? There is a new course at TN Southwest Community College that takes the first step. Dr. Aaron Jagers oversees the program and explains how it works. Finally, relationships can be complicated at times which can cause stress and frustration among couples. Patrick and Shemika Herrington are the founders of Hiswife Herhusband coaching which helps couples from surviving to thriving from a biblical perspective. That and more Monday nite both on air and online on 91.7 WYXR. Also, WYXR.org, TuneIn, Facebook Live, YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. It’s time to talk

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Real Real.

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Host Chill, watch you white, it's real.

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And here we go, Here we go. What's good MEMPHO.
On this extraordinarily hot Monday evening in the city, Chip
with you at six o'clock straight up, which means it
is time for an all new and live edition of
Real Talk Memphis. Glad to be with you. On another
one hundred degree day, that's what it was the official

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high today right now, it's about one hundred and six
hundred and seven is how it feels. So obviously we
are in the midst of this August heat wave. We're
going to see one hundred degrees again tomorrow and then
on Wednesday slightly cooler whether they forty, chance of rain,

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so there might be a slight shift in the temperatures,
but not a whole lot. All the hot weather rules apply.
If you don't have to be outside for extended periods
of time, please don't do that. I mean, seriously, this
is the kind of heat that will take you out
before you even realize it does. So anyway, and check
on your children, make sure that they're doing okay if

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they're running around outside. Don't walk your pets until after
the sun goes way down. I mean, the loon of
tonight's gonna be in the about eighty something, so it's
not you know, it's not gonna cool down that much,
but enough for them. Let me see here. So in
reference to the show, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, we have a
pretty good show for you tonight, we think and we

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hope that you will tune us in. Hey, look, it's
too hot to be messing around outside, so go inside.
Hit your social media, you know, hit your radio. If
you listen to us on radio or your social media
platform or whatever it is. However you find us Facebook live,
you can do that as well, and enjoy the next
hour of this fine piece of radio broadcasting. Speaking of

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how do you get this fine piece of radio broadcasting,
I'm glad you asked. You can find us a number
of ways. We are on ninety one point seven wy
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can also find us on the wyx R app. We
are on the tune in t U n e I
n app as well. We will be live streaming this

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evening on Facebook Live, so you can find us there,
and of course the next couple of days we will
as we post the show, you will be able to
find us on YouTube if that's your thing. And we're
a podcast, so, as Lola likes to say on her show,
you can find me wherever it is you get your
your favorite podcast. You can find me on all podcast

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platforms in this fine radio show. So go ahead and
do that and have a good time with it. In
terms of our guest tonight, Sarah Carpenter. She is the
executive director of Memphis Lyft, which is in children's parents
advocacy organization. She's always on the front lines when it
comes to education. She will be on the show in

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just a few minutes along with the Shans of Rudd
and a little bit later on we will be speaking
with doctor Aaron Jaggers and Darren Darryl degraffin Reid is
his name the graph and read Did you know that
Southwest Tennessee Community College has an aviation program. They're teaching

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folks how to fly out there. This is the big deal,
a very big deal. So doctor Jagger, who is Jaggers
who is over that program's gonna tell us a little
bit about it, and Darryl is one of the aviation students.
So I look forward to hearing that and having that
conversation and a little bit later on. Marriage is something

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that can be a challenge for many. It could be
frustrating for many, depending on the situation, the circumstances that
you're in. I have a marriage counselors joining me a
little bit later on. They are may Read Patrick and
Shamika Harrington will be joining the broadcast in the second
half hour. They teach, obviously marriage counseling, but they do

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it from the biblical perspective. It's kind of unique the
way they do what they do, and so we look
forward to hearing from them as well. Excuse me, so
there's your lineup. We hope that that's enough to keep
you occupied and focus for the next hour or so.

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Uh.

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In the meantime, let me see, uh, somebody asked me.
Somebody just takes me and asks me what time? What time?

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What?

Speaker 5 (05:15):
I don't even know what what that question means. But
in the meantime, you know, what we do on this broadcast,
we do a little thing where we shout you out.
Everybody has a birthday, and uh, if you have a
birthday today, this is your day. Many of you celebrated
over the weekend. I went to a birthday party over
the weekend. Uh, and that person's birthday is not for
another couple of days. But it was a great party. UH.

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So this is what we do, a little shout out,
little thing called a shout out on this broadcast where
we shout you out and we recognize you for being born.
B I can't do that until I say hit it, Lola.
Happy happy birthdays going out to the following folks. My
cousin Rick Salone be celebrating his birthday today. Happy birthday,

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rip on Nye Tria ohe Man was celebrating a birthday today.
Happy birthday to Gary Going. Does that name sound familiar?
If you ever go to a Grizzlies game, you know
his band is up there playing the jam all during
that basketball game. Gary Going celebrating today. Happy birthday, kay
Leah Atkins celebrating her birthday today. Happy birthday to Linda

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Big Baby. Bernard Ron Johnson celebrating his birthday today, and
very close family friend Jeanette Cookie Perry. Her birthday is
not today, but her birthday is a couple of days
from now, on Wednesday, I told her, and that was
her birthday party I went to over weekend so I
would shouting her out on the big broadcast. So happy

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birthday to each and every one of you, including you Jay,
Cookie and love. Ladies and gentlemen had stepped up to
the mic, not though.

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Happy birthday to my best best friend as as her mom.

Speaker 9 (06:58):
What they share a birthday?

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Yes, happy birthday. I love you guys. I can't waste.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Oh lord, another party, another party, well, happy birthday to them.
Happy birthday to everyone who is celebrating and who is
just recently celebrated. We salute to and from all of
us here at Real Talk Memphis. We look forward to
We hope today is filled with the course, love and laughter,
and we hope to be with you next year on
your next trip around the sun. Thank you. It's brand

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ladies and gentlemen on board here this evening. And I
guess we're not doing we doing Facebook lavage it all
okay because on my phone it ain't I don't know what. Okay, Okay,
there it is, Okay, I got you all right, very good. Okay,
so let's do some news and notes, shall we, Yes,
we shall. First things first, this proposal in reference to

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the possibility of a new jail complex out in the
New Chicago area has gotten folks on fire. I mean,
people are really starting to talk about this now. There
was some protests over the weekend. It's gonna be a
big community meeting going on this evening, is probably going
on right now, so you're gonna have to split your
time between that and my radio show. But yeah, this

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is this has gotten folks really inflame. And I would
say by the informal survey that I took that most
folks are against it. And there's never been a proposal. However,
the County Commission is gonna take it up in their
committee meeting on Wednesday. So if you don't have anything
to do, you might want to wander down to the
County Commission and see just what they're talking about with

(08:39):
all of this. Man that this is supposed to be
a complex that would have the men's jail, the women's jail,
and juvenile court. It's part of the big plan there.
So over there by the old Firestone plant. You know, folks,
you know you all live out there in North Memphis,
you know what I'm talking about. So yeah, that's that's
not that's not that's too popular a deal as of

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right now, West Memphis, Arkansas, Ladies and gentlemen, the kids
had an extra day off today, no school because why
they have no water. They are under a boil water
alert out there right now. They're handing out bottles of water.
I know they had a giveaway this afternoon. Apparently some

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issues with the water plant, two big ones out there,
and as I as we come on the air, I
don't think anything's been fixed out there, so they still
have issues with water. And I hadn't heard whether the
schools are going to be back in session tomorrow or not.
But invariable, invariably, issues like this tend to take a
bit of a while, all right, And you know, the

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court case began today of the alleged mastermind behind the
Young Dolph murder. His trial began today. Hernandez go Van
is his name. He's charged with murder, conspiracy, and attempted
murder in the death of Young Dolf. And so yeah,

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this trial has already garnered some some headlines where the
folks testifying, uh, you know, and and and and in
all of this, and somebody said, yeah, uh, you know,
this was a hit. And this guy go Van was
the one that issued the orders talking about one hundred
thousand dollars bounty on on on, you know, on on
young Doll's head and the whole nine yards. So we'll

(10:25):
get to the bottom of this. They did. They did
arrest a couple of guys who were apparently the gunman,
and one of them had his trial last year, was
found guilty and we'll spend the rest of his life
in prison. So we'll keep up with that trial and
find out what is happening with that. That is a
quick look at news and notes, and so we'll take

(10:46):
a quick commercial break and listen before before I go
to break. Uh, you know, I know a lot of
us deal with this heat every year. I know this
is nothing new. I get all that, but but you
know again, I think people need to pay more attention
to what is happening. The last thing I want to
do is report on somebody who's a child who who
left the child in the car and they came out
to the car and child's dead, or you know, someone

(11:08):
hanging around outside. They're building houses new subdivision behind where
I live, and I'm looking at guys on that roof
up there doing that work, and I'm just God, bless you.
I hope they're paying you guys like double triple time
to get out there and do all that in this heat,
because it will tear your body apart. Let us take
a break and when we come back, we will continue

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to broadcast on this Monday. What's today the eighteenth? I
think it is, right, the eighteenth, another month flying on through.
The next time we talk, it'll probably be like what
getting close to Thanksgiving? How many time is just going
so quickly it's not even funny. Let's take a break
and when we come back, we'll get into it on
this live Monday edition of Real Talk Memphis. I'm Chip.

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Speaker 5 (19:36):
And welcome back to Real Talk Memphis on this hot
Monday evening in the city. Chip with you, And as
happens every now and again, I guess, uh, I don't
know what happened or not available at this particular point
in time. I had two of them schedule for this
time of the show, and we've not heard anything from them. Uh.
So we're gonna try and move on here. I'm trying

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to you know, switch things around. Okay. Uh so my my,
actually my last guests are going to be my next guest.
And they have logged on. Now I mentioned at the
top of the show. Uh, you know there's these two
are marriage counselors. They are married marriage counselors.

Speaker 15 (20:14):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
And they have their their their their website or their
businesses has an interesting title. It's called his wife her husband.
Uh and uh they are a married couple in you
and they're on with me right now. Welcome Patrick and
Shamika Harrington. Uh hey, guys, great to see you. How
you doing.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Can you hear as well?

Speaker 5 (20:35):
We can hear you. Well, how you doing tonight?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I'm doing good, doing real good. I'm tell you up
a little bit online again.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Okay, that sounds like a plan. I heard Samika say, awesome, sauce.
That's pretty good. Welcome, well listen, welcome to the broadcast.
And glad you could make it on the show. So
you know, we we we. Marriages is not easy by
a lot of standards, you know, I mean, it takes
as a give and takes compromises up and down, there's

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an ounce the whole nine yards. Uh you you you
all are married counselors. I believe Shamika told me.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
And I can't remember how long you've been married, but
I know you have five children. You've been there for
a long time. How long have you both been there?
How long have you been married?

Speaker 17 (21:15):
Almost three decades with two shy from three decades.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Too shy for that's twenty eight ladies, gentlemen, if you're
keeping score work there you go so well, that's well,
that's well, that's good stuff. And uh uh, I guess
I wonder you know, how does one or how there's
a couple go decide at some point or another, uh
to uh become marriage counselor to go into this particular field.

Speaker 17 (21:39):
So I wanted to want to do one correction. Where
are coaches counselors?

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Okay, marriage coaches?

Speaker 17 (21:45):
Okay, that's the difference. That difference probably explaining to you
better than I can.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, counsel's more so deal with the past issues, giving
you to overcome past things sure to get stabilized in
the president. Well, coaches get you from where you really
are to where you desire to be in the future.

Speaker 9 (22:03):
Now by the same token.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Sometime we're coaching, we do have to sometime here's some
things that are passed, but we don't necessarily address it
to help one unpack it.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
But it's more so we hear it. It may be.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Something that you're dealing with right now, but then this
where you want to go in the future, where you
desire to be in your marriage.

Speaker 17 (22:21):
But how we got started was we worked together as
by trade. I'm a barber, she's a manicurest and we work.
We work in the same buildings. So we worked together.
We worked together, we coach together. All those things we
do together, and we started we noticed that a lot
of couples were asking us for advice, and so we okay,
we realized, okay, we're answering the same questions from different couples.

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So we started a YouTube channel first in twenty nineteen,
and from the YouTube channel that pushed us into coaching
where we've got our both got mental health certification as
mental health coaches. We thought they was necessary before we
became marriage coaches. UH, and then we also went through
Christian Counseling and coaching UH. We got certifications from there
and from there it just you know, we've been.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Okay. So that brings a question. So you said, uh that, Uh,
you were both were working in the same building and
you know kind of you know, doing your thing or whatever,
and people were coming to you both, uh, talking about
their marriages and their relationships. Why do you think that
was what? What was there about you two in particular
that made them reach out to you and and and

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ask about this, that or the other.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
Now that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Ship.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
So I believe that they that they came because they
could see, they saw results, They saw our life, and
they felt I believe they felt comfortable enough and safe
enough to ask what what is it that we were doing?

Speaker 9 (23:48):
How do we do it?

Speaker 14 (23:49):
And so.

Speaker 17 (23:51):
I'm also they would see because we worked together, they
would see when we weren't getting along. They were able
to kind of peep in on, you know, those those
days when we failed and communicating, those days when we
weren't together, And they also saw us mending those things
together as time go on. And I guess seeing that
we're a real couple and we're not the hustle huxtables, Uh,

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that is my look up to.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Everybody has an idol, I got you, Okay, So the
US when you're at okay, So how did you deal
with it as a couple? You know, like I said,
we there are times when we as people, we don't
get along. I mean there are times when you know,
we wake up one way and the other one wakes
up the other way, and the trains are going in
the opposite direction. So how did you how did you
work that out on a daily basis, especially since you

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worked in the same place, in the same business.

Speaker 17 (24:43):
Walls and doors.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Explain that.

Speaker 17 (24:47):
So in the building we have, so she had one
room and I have another room, So there were times
where we didn't get along, and we thank God for
walls and doors and allow us time to process it. Uh,
actually in the same like in the same office, but
just just away from each other enough that we can
process individual Before we began talking, I will say this,

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I think this helped out a little bit more for us.
I always talking about our fourteenth year was the year
that the actual divorce word actually came up. Uh, And
I was kind of praying about it, and I was
asking God. You know, I was blaming God as the
reason why my marriage was failing, and God just told
me to, you know, begin to love more, love harder
all the things I was doing more, do more of that.

(25:34):
So fast forward, we came up with this thing called
date Day. So on particularly on Mondays, we don't answer
the phone for anybody, we don't answer text message, we
don't entertain anybody else but each other. Even if we're
mad at each other, we're still in the same room. Again,
there's no like real physical physical thing that's going on,

(25:55):
So we're able to be in the same room together.
And from that opportunity that we have on Monday, it
allows us to be able to be present in each
other's presence consistently and at some point that opportunity to
discuss why we're not getting along or why there's missing.
It opens up more opportunities for that.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
And the reality is this, it's like in a marriage relationship.
In our relationships, but in particular the marriage relationship, it's
a very intimate relationship, and so you're going to have conflict,
You're going to have communication things like you have to
keep talking and discussing, But at the end of the day,
it's like I love you enough to work through it.

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And that's the part that if I could say to
the listeners and just a reminder even to Patrick and
Ows and myself, it's like, I love you enough to
stick and stay. I love you enough to wrestle through
and to get through whatever that thing is, so that
we can continue to start thriving.

Speaker 9 (26:57):
Because there are.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Times where you just kind of go into a survival mode.
It's just like there's just enough breath to stay alive.
But I believe that there is a thrive a word
that I made. I like to make up words, so
the word I can this thrivability, That there is a
such thing as thrivability, the ability to grow and to

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develop and flourish in a marriage relationship where you begin
to be able to experience the fruits of how God
originally designed it.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
So do it in the midst of a fallen world.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Sorry right, no, no, no, you're fine. No, You're fine. Uh no.
And I was going to ask you, so you know, uh,
that particular element of it, the talking, the communication part
of it. You hear that that is clearly the most
important part. And you all recognize that you know as well.
But there I'm sure you find this today. There are
so many people out here today that give up so easily,

(27:52):
you know what I mean. They have they have disagreements
and that, and next thing, you know, certain words are
used and then you can't put them back, and then
people get to another level and then they want to
then they want to split up, break up and move on.
And what you're saying, as a classic example is, look,
we've we've been, we've been to the brink, but we
understand that, you know, we had to we had to

(28:13):
come to the place to understand that we love each
other much more than what we're dealing with and that
we can deal with it. Am I correcting that? Am
I saying that right now?

Speaker 1 (28:22):
It's correct? It's correct.

Speaker 17 (28:23):
And here's the thing though, they're like, so there are
that we know what that Tom research, there are fourth
stages where marriage gets trouble. It's like the first three
and the seven to seven years. Itch, there's the fourteen year,
and then there's a twenty fifth year. And I used
to wonder, how do couples divorces after twenty five years? Yeah,
well the reason why is because because of communication that
things have changed, but because the children, there's career, there's parents,

(28:47):
and then when all of those things are gone. Yeah,
so when when the parents have deceased, when the children
have gone and grown. And when the career of people
have retired, I don't know who I'm married to anymore,
and I don't like the person that I that I
see because I haven't grown with them through communicating as
that were going on so well. I used to I

(29:08):
was due example, you used to like hot saucle popcorn.
Now you don't like hot soaucal popcorn. And she said,
I haven't been liking hot sauce popcorn for ten years.
You're not paying attention. But that's because there there's not
enough communication.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Check it out.

Speaker 17 (29:22):
Check this word's out. There's not enough communication with your friend.
That's another key part if that's developing. People are not
friends with their spouse.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
You know what. And another thing too, Chip is that
going back to what Patrick said earlier, It's one thing
to be communicating, Like we can talk at each other, sure,
but when you talking to each other, and it's for
the it's for the purpose of gaining understanding. Is to
listen to be understood, It's to communicate so that the

(29:54):
listener will be able to grab hold of it. It's
really about being present. And I think a lot of
of us in Merria couples as Mary couples, we are
just living through life. It's like we've become roommates. But
as far as really being locked in and loaded in,
and I'm talking about like legacy building. Yeah, that's when
it's like I'm here with you and like I love you,

(30:17):
I like you. I want to be a lifelong legacy
with you. So tell me what's on your mind. Let's
check in what's on your heart, not just on your
mom but what's in your heart, what's you're thinking about,
what's your dreams, what your desires.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
So so, having said that, and one of the things
that sort of drew me to you from the perspective
of I said, this is interesting you go about what
you're doing as marriage coaches from a biblical perspective, which
I think mostly all couples should be going through in
terms of that. But talk a little bit about that

(30:52):
in particular.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
You know, when it comes to marriages, I think a
lot of us in the culture, we have a tendency
to think that this is a man made construct. That
is far from the truth. We are human beings experiencing
marriage here on earth, but this is a divine assignment.
And if we do not get in the word of
God to find out what the original design was and

(31:15):
bringing his kingdom concept, his kingdom mind in our marriage.

Speaker 9 (31:19):
It will flop, but there is a God.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Has designed a plan for us to experience marriage and
relationship at his fullest, and it is found in his word.

Speaker 9 (31:30):
Now, he doesn't make us do it. But if you are.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
American couple and you desire to do it God's way,
and you really seek to buildings to sign your marriage
so that you can thrive the way He intended for it.
He has given us the principles. He's given us the
tools to do such.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Yep, yep, that is she said, She said, yep. So listen,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do something very unusual. I don't
believe I've ever done this on this show before. So
you were supposed to come up. You were supposed to
come up a little bit later on. Okay, So I
have a guest in the bullpen right now. So I'm
going to what I'm going to do is I'm going
to interview them, and then I want you guys to

(32:07):
come back in about ten more and about ten minutes
or so, about maybe six forty five ish, Uh, log
back in because we can we can continue having this
conversation because I do believe that this is a very
very important topic of conversation for a lot of people,
whether they choose to admit it or not. Is that cool?
Can you? Can you guys, you know, hang out for

(32:27):
a few minutes and enjoy me again in a.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Few minutes, so we log out and back in.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah, you can do that. That's fine. Either either that
or you can just hang on and we can just
go do the other guests, or however you want to
do it. But I want to talk to you all again, uh,
you know, in your in your signed slack, because I
do have more questions I want to ask if that's
cool with you? Gout? Okay, thank you so much. I
appreciate that. All right, ladies, So so bring here. Here's
what we're gonna do, bron We're gonna switch out. Now,
we're gonna switch out, uh and uh, We're gonna leave

(32:55):
the Harringtons for a few minutes and then we're gonna
come back to them, uh in a few minutes to
finish this conversation up. But I told you at the
beginning of the broadcast that Tennessee Southwest Community College has
an aviation program uh kind of. I think it's the
first of his kind and one of us kind. They're
teaching folks how to fly out here. And I have
two folks right now who are joining me. And then

(33:16):
well there's one of them right there, uh Darryl, and
there's the other one. Please welcome to the show, doctor
Aaron Jaggers and Darryl de Graphin read Uh, both of
the aviation program. Doctor Jaggers is over that program, and
uh Darryl is a student of the program. Gentlemen, good evening.
Can you hear me? Okay, yes, sir, you doing great,

(33:39):
doing great, Derek, can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (33:42):
All right, very very good. Well listen, welcome, welcome, Welcome
into the show.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
And uh, you know, I find this to be very
very fascinating.

Speaker 17 (33:49):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
And I don't know, but doctor Jagers, you can probably
tell me if if this is the case, is this
the first and or only uh school the teachers aviation
in the midst South, I'm not aware. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Well, we are the Southwest Tennessee Community College is the
first two year community college to offer aviation program. Oh wow, okay,
and we are the first provisional part one forty one
school in West Tennessee. There are other flight schools.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, what does provision on
one forty one mean?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Therovisional one one means that our pilot concentration in our
program has met all the rigorous standards that the FA
has as far as pilot training, curriculum, safety measures, and
how we are record keeping. And we also go through
artists from the FAAA, so that you know, the FA
is very important because they make sure everything stays in

(34:48):
the sky and everybody's not crashing into each other. So
it's a very hard thing to accomplish, but we did
do it here at Southwest Tennessee Community Host. Now, for
our students, that means that if you are under our
Part one forty one, that means that's going to be
less flight hours and which means less flight hours, which

(35:12):
means less gays, which means the cost is going to
be less and you can get into your to your
regional carrier a little earlier than you did if we
were not a Part one forty one school.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Well that's the interesting in and of itself. So Darryl
kind of talk to me a little bit about your interest. Now,
your background, I don't know how old you are, but
you know, how was it that you decided? Is this
something that you you had visions of as a as
a younger person? Did you always want to be in
the world of aviation a pilot? I mean, how did

(35:45):
you come to this?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
All?

Speaker 8 (35:47):
Right?

Speaker 18 (35:48):
So I'm nineteen years old, I'm a private pilot. I've
been training out of Southwest's aviation program since last fault?
Am I interested in? It started out two years prior,
just in the program itself.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
As far as being a pilot goes, that was always
there for me when I was about fourteen. So you
went Southwest?

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Okay?

Speaker 18 (36:11):
Was its location? It's already in the Memphis area. I'm
a native to Memphis, so I don't have to go
out to all these other big fancy aviation schools and
pay lots of money out of pocket for tuition to fly.
So location, cost, and convenience were the biggest.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Three things for me.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
So let me ask you in terms of in terms
of all of that and in terms of the quality
of the teaching and the quality of the education that
you're getting. I mean, I don't know if you can
rank it or not, but I mean, how would you
how would you assess what you have learned in the
past year or so.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
I've learned a lot of over in the past couple
of years.

Speaker 18 (36:55):
I've learned a lot as far as ranking goes, If
Southwest was a restaurant and you had to give it
stars one through five.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
I'd say it's four and a half. Okay, I say
it's four and a half.

Speaker 18 (37:07):
I say there's a little bit of room and improvement
for the school for what it can do in the future,
but it's getting it pretty fast.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
The program's really young.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
It is really young. And did you say that you
were a pilot. How long have you been a pilot?

Speaker 18 (37:18):
Did you say, yeah, I got my So I just
turned nineteen about a month ago, and I got my
license when I was eighteen back in December.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Private license, sir, private pilot license.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
So I can fly forever.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
I want to wow, Well, that's pretty impressive. And you
said you just picked up you picked it up the
interest in it a couple of years before that, did
you Did I hear you say that correctly?

Speaker 4 (37:42):
It's sir. So. I don't know how familiar you are
with the the Memphis aviation area.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
But zero right now.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
So there's two big.

Speaker 18 (37:52):
High schools right now that have aviation programs, and I
went to one of them back in my high school days.
I went to East High School, Okay, and they have
a aviation class that takes you from ninth grade to
twelfth grade and I did.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
All four years of it.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Wow, okay, Well, look, doctor Jaggers, do you find that
in terms of this aviation, this new world of aviation,
you know, and the flying and a lot of folks
having visions of flying and really don't understand all that
goes into this. Are you finding that you're seeing more
and more younger folks perhaps wanting to go into the

(38:28):
world of aviation or not. What are you seeing there?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yes, the program started in the spring of two thousand
and two. Two okay, we have and I think we
started with six at least six or seven students and
right now we are up to forty eight to fifty
students in the program. Oh wow, and we just graduated

(38:53):
in twenty twenty four. Our first goal heart. So from
the beginning to now we are seeing interests and we
also have we have two other concentrations, but beside our
pilot concentration, we have our flight Dispatch concentration, which is
the air traffic control portion of it. And we have
our aviation administration part, which is more like a business

(39:16):
admin business admin. So there are places that you can
fit in aviation without flying. Because you know, some people
may get up in a plane throw up on themselves.
We don't want it to happen, but that shouldn't limit
you from being in the world of aviation. So, yes,
we are seeing interests. Yes, and our first practical class
is full right now, so we're growing and just like

(39:42):
Daryl said, there's always room for improvement, so we're always
improving and we always want to make sure that our
students have pathways to get the proper training through US
and that leads to jobs in the future when they
graduate from US.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Now, I want people to know who people might be
watching this, listening to you right now, or or or
catching this broadcast a bit later. Uh, And you said
this at the beginning, but I want people to understand
that this is a two year program because you're a
two year college. But there's work that needs to go
into this. You can't come into this if you come

(40:17):
into this and you do have three specific areas that
you just mentioned, which I think is great. But if
you if you're going to come, you need to come, correct,
don't you? I mean, you really need to be serious
about this because you have to be serious about this
to meet FAA regulation standards. Did I say that correctly?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Said that correctly? We audited by the FA. So we
take a class of ten and all t and failed
and we have we may lose our FA credentials. So
what we want to do we want students that are
serious about this this journey, and we'll do we'll try
to provide every resource that we can to make sure
this students is successful.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
Yeah. Uh so, Daryl, when you when you talk to
your friends or family members or whomever U and reference
to it, Like you said, you've been applying flying for
a little a little bit of a while, and they
may say something to you about, man, that's pretty cool.
You know. How do I get into this? How do
I be involved? What would you tell a young person
who might have any interest in the world of aviation? Uh,

(41:16):
in reference to what you went through and what the
program is all about. From your perspective, how would you
describe it? What would you say?

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Well, first off, it's a grind.

Speaker 18 (41:27):
It's definitely a grinds be thinking it's a marathon to
get here and I'm just getting started. If I were to,
I don't go back in time and talk to yourself
about getting into this.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
I tell them that.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
He needs to be prepared to. He needs to be
prepared to.

Speaker 18 (41:48):
I don't want to say the word struggle because I've
had a lot of my handouts, but a.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Lot of aid on my way and help me get
to where I am. But he needs to be prepared to.
Just fight.

Speaker 18 (42:01):
Just keep fighting, get back in the ring, get back
in the books, get back in the airplane.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Whenever you're down, just keep going at it. If you
want to.

Speaker 18 (42:09):
Get into it. If you want to get into it,
lets do it. Show up to show up to a
flight school, say hey, can I get a discovery flight?
Can I just go and lap with one of you
put in your flight instructors. Sometimes I say yes, Sometimes
I say no. But you never know if you never.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Try right in. A discovery flight is a flight where you,
as an individual, can go into a plane that we
train on with a with a train pilot and just
fly and you'll get an opportunity to grab the sticks sometimes,
but you can get that. You can know, hey this

(42:46):
feels good while I'm up here, or hey, my head,
I can't breathe while I'm up here. So so discovery
flights are always the first thing that in it. If
you want to be a pilot, yeah, take your discovery
flight first so you can get a feel for what
it's like to be up in the air and your
body are telling yes, I can handle this, so no

(43:07):
I cannot, which is okay because we do have other
avenues where you can be in aviation as well.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
Well, I got to tell you something, man, I'm really
I mean, just listening to your both talk, I'm very impressed.
And again, uh, Southwest Tennessee Community College is doing big things,
and uh, you know you're you're setting folks up to
be the next pilots, to be the next air traffic
controllers or other occupations within UH an area that many

(43:34):
of them probably never thought that they would be a
part of. And so this is to me kind of
what makes this so special? And what would what would
you say as a as a close out a doctor Jacobs,
what would you say to anyone, because because they're described
it pretty well from his perspective, you know what, this
is not a cakewalk. And if you're gonna get here

(43:54):
and you're gonna come here, you need to be serious
about what what what what you're doing, and you need
to understand that they're not plan when it comes to this.
So what would you say?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
What would you say in Memphis being the grind city?
Like Darrell said, this, this is a grind This is
not a one plus one situation. Say two. This is
You're gonna have to study. You're gonna have to get
your simulation time in. You're gonna have to You're gonna
be accumbed with terms that you never heard it before,
but you need to loader those terms and become an

(44:23):
expert at it. So it's it is hard work. It's
very hard work, but it's a but it's doable hard work.
Everybody can achieve it. If you try put your effort
in and be organized, you can make it happen. And
we along the way that we can help you make
it happen.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
All right, well listen, man, I'm sorry, go ahead there,
go ahead, go ahead, man, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
All right.

Speaker 18 (44:45):
I just wanted to say that on Most people don't
know this, but only three pilots are black, just three percent.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
If you think of all the major airlines out there
are based in majority blacks cities.

Speaker 18 (45:00):
You got Delta in Atlanta, you got United Airlines in Chicago,
Southwest Airlines, and American Airlines in Dallas, Texas'.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Surrounded by these majority black cities. Getting all the pilots
are black.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Well listen, so go ahead ahead, yeah.

Speaker 18 (45:20):
So for any young black people out there who are
tuned into this to this radio station right now, I
just want to say that you can make the difference,
you can change that, you can take back what's yours.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Well, listen to both of you. Congratulations. This is big,
this big time stuff, and that's why I wanted you
on the show to talk about this. Doctor Aaron Jakers
and Darryl garraffren Reed, who is a pilot now in
the future of aviation, and he's right, we need to
do better in terms of those statistics. But thank you
both for coming on the show tonight. Thank you for

(46:01):
walking us through it. Take and thank you for all
the work that you're doing. I really appreciate it. Thank you,
thank you for your time.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
All right, thank you, all right.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Thank you, thank you so much. Well, there you go,
ladies and gentlemen. Now that's how you see. This is
hard work. We'll get you somewhere in this world. Tennessee
Southwest Community College is doing big things. They really really are.
And this program has been in effect for two years.
What Daryl said was pretty interesting. And truck and get
them back brand for me. The last couple, uh what

(46:31):
that's it? Two to three percent look like looked like
me who are flying these planes out here. So we
need to up the eyes and and and raised and
and and raise the rate. Hear all of this, and
so I'm really excited about this. And I hope that
if you didn't get a chance to catch this interview,
I hope you do catch it later in reference to
what they're doing with this aviation program at Tennessee Southwest

(46:52):
Community College. Now, if you have been with me for
the hour, I had to switch things around. Sarah Carpenter
a family emergency, and she just sent me a note
to say, do you apologize? She couldn't make it, uh,
but God bless uh you know her situation. I hope
everything turns out okay. But we do have Patrick and
Shamika Harrington, uh, founders of his wife, her husband, their

(47:16):
marriage coaches and uh yeah, I hope that you married
a couple. Some of you out there were paying attention,
uh to what we were talking about. You know, no
marriage is perfect, No life is perfect. No people are perfect.
We have to work. It's a constant job. And and
and and the and and the and the phrase happy wife,
happy life come it rings. It rings pretty true in

(47:36):
my head. I can tell you that right now. No
you can.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
You're not gonna change me.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
You're not gonna change me on that, dear.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
But but.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Go ahead, No, but go ahead, Patrick, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 17 (47:48):
So I have so for me that that excludes the
husband when we say happy wife, after life. So I
like to say, happy spouse, happy house.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Okay, we'll go away. That's fine. Okay, you got me
on that way. Shamika was like, er, well you when
I said, when I said, Shamik was just no cheering.
You see, I know what you guys got going on.
I can see that right now. But but but we
were talking about this earlier, and I want to talk
about again. I want to go back to, uh, the Bible,
the biblical perspective that you that you go that you

(48:23):
all utilized in terms of your coaching. I mean, you
know this is this is this is something that God
was very serious about it, and I want you to
talk a little bit about about that.

Speaker 17 (48:35):
So I say a couple of things. Typically, when we're
using or we're getting coaching and advising couples, we try
to find scriptures that back up what we're saying. Right, So,
while there are maybe uh, philosophical things out there, what
does the Bible say about that particular thing in terms
of I think it's communication assault, answer drives away round

(48:58):
or I think of something like that. And so we're
using really what's what's what's already ready, but we're using
biblical principles to support those twos of practicality. So for me,
even when I was so when I first got married
or when I got saved and I don't really know

(49:19):
how to romance, I don't really know how to be
the husband I think I'm supposed to be, I went
to the Word God to figure out, well, how this
Christ is to the church. And so for me I
began to do as much as mimicking how Christ is
to the church and then do that towards my wife,
and that that kind of helped in terms of our work,
our marriage building and being sustained from that.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
And the other interesting part to that too is Patrick.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Unbeknowns to Patrick, I was learning how the church is
to respond to Christ. And so it's a reciprocity, like
the head of the of the body of Christ is Christ,
and we are to respond to him in faith and
we are to respond to him and in faithfulness.

Speaker 9 (50:03):
And so yeah, and so.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I started doing it, responding in love and respect to Patrick,
like when he put forth the effort to respond with
acknowledging it, recognizement, respecting it.

Speaker 9 (50:14):
And it has made the difference.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Well, that's go ahead, No, no, you go ahead, what you're
gonna say?

Speaker 9 (50:20):
So so so so.

Speaker 17 (50:21):
So one of the things that and this is why
I challenge husbands, because we love to bring out why
submit to your own husband? I like the NLT version.
There's a there's a there's a version. I mean, there's
a verse before that it says submit your says one
to another. Then it goes into what that looks like
for the husband. So it says, submit your says one

(50:42):
to another. For the husband, this looks like this. For
the wife, this looks like this. And so from that,
it's not you're you're you are you're subborting it or
submissive to the point where there's not a submission done
on my part as well, because there's something that she's
better at I can't do, and that term at that point,

(51:04):
guess what I'm submitted to her because you say it's
his finances. She understands finances better than I do. So
if if that's the case, that if the husband is
not good, then you have to submit to her in
that particular term on that particular situation that's going on.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
So we're talking strengths, strengths and weaknesses and we've all
we've all got them. What would you say, as a
couple who do this daily? Is the biggest issue or
some of the biggest issues that couples come to you with? What? What? What? What?
What are people dealing with the most that you all
have found out through the work that you do.

Speaker 9 (51:44):
Uh, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Uh, it's being unequally yoked, being equally meaning that they're
not seeing out of eye in their faith and how
do they get through that? That's what has I would say,
it has grown our our audience in the coaching.

Speaker 9 (52:03):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
It was that it was being unequally yoke in their faith.
So that goes back to the communication. Somewhere along the way,
the couple was just enamored with each other that they
didn't really do the hard work of being and down
to see what it is there really is the bed
rock and will be the foundation of their relationship, their marriage.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
And how how how how important I guess is the
word I choose to use at this particular point, Uh,
is adversity in a marriage because I mean, we all
go through you know, struggles and and and I mean
and in difficult moments and in moments that test Uh.

(52:46):
But but but in terms of the term adversity, Uh,
what would you say are some of the biggest challenges
in terms of that?

Speaker 17 (52:54):
Again, for me, communication is still a number one in
the list, even in terms of adversus. So it's not
that it's not, if I can say it this way,
I'm using the word fight, but I'm not really mean
to fight. So it's not it's not that we're not
going to fight or we're not going to disagree, it's
how do you disagree? And so that's where management conflict
comes in in that particular place, in terms of how

(53:16):
do I, how do I actually deal with this conflict,
Do I avoid? Like, what's the situation, what's going on?
Am I gonna use the use the avoidance method? Am
I going to collaborate and compromise? Meaning we both win
and we both lose? Am I gonna be Are you competing?

Speaker 1 (53:34):
You know?

Speaker 17 (53:34):
So all of these management conflict styles you have to
take in consideration.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
When when when when when?

Speaker 9 (53:41):
When adversity happens in the marriage.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
And it's interesting too, I think that a lot of times, uh,
it's mara couples. We want, we don't want to think
or prepare for adversity, but that comes with life. And
so one of the things that I have found that
adversity can do when you're prepared for is it make
you lean into your spouse more versus.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
A polls and fight. So the thing is.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Is that life runs in cycles and seasons, and so
does marriages. Like you're going to have summers where it's
longer days and they are longer hotter days. But it's like,
how do you prepare for that? You bring you have
your cool cup of water, You make sure that they
have their water. So it's the things, it's the keeping cool,
it's the doing your best to make the necessary adjustments

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and to adapt in the face of adverse I'll say.

Speaker 17 (54:35):
This too, and we're saying as if though like we
don't like Keep in mind, we're human beings, so we're.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Flawed, sure, sure, But one thing that.

Speaker 17 (54:44):
We do when we're having issues with one another, we
still try to serve each other to the best of
our ability. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get
it wrong. But serving my wife, even when we're not
getting a it is one of those things I want
to do again because this is my friend. So I
want to make sure that no matter how I feel,

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I can make sure that she is comfortable, that she
feels loved, and that she's that I'm creating this atmosphere
where I'm saying intimacy, but I'm creating this atmosphere where
she feels safe still in the midst of our adversity.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Well, listen you too. Thank you for coming on the
show and really kind of be inflexible about all of it.
There we go that flexibility, uh you know about about
all of this tonight and really, uh yeah, I hope
you helped a lot of folks out there who might
be listening to all of this, because you know, I mean,

(55:42):
I think Uh, like I said, marriage is marriage. Marriage
is not the easiest thing in the world, but it
can be. It can be very successful, as you two
have proven to be. Uh So I'm very happy to
have had you on the show. Patrick and Shamika Harrington,
ladies and gentlemen, and thank you off for coming on
the show. I really enjoyed the conversation. And uh, I'll

(56:03):
bring you back down the road if you don't mind
no one thing.

Speaker 9 (56:07):
Before you go.

Speaker 17 (56:08):
Our son is in aviation school as well, so we
was listening to the man earlier.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Were gonna raise the percentage. Thank you all for coming.
I really appreciate you that great night. There you go, Yes, sir,
that's that was. That was a good, good conversation there
and uh we turned we turned a bit of a
problem into a pretty good show. I think tonight, before
we get out of here, BRN hosts event Horizon, which
comes up in about two minutes and BRN, Uh what

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what what is on the palette for this evening's broadcast
from you?

Speaker 19 (56:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (56:42):
That's right? You like I said that that was pretty.

Speaker 19 (56:45):
Yes, yes on today's palette, I think, Uh, I can't
think of a better phrase for it. I guess we'll
it'll be like a bit of a summer vibe, a
little bit of hip hop and uh some heavy rock,
and then we'll go a little electronic towards the second
half as we approach dusk.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Just I like that. Yeah, it's coming about eight o'clock,
I guess right. But by the time you get off,
all them closer closer, Absolutely, Ladies and gentlemen tuned into
Event Horizon with Bren Butler. He comes up right after us.
As Lola said earlier this evening, she said, you know
what this crew we run, we run this part of
the night, man, I'm telling you. Lola starts it with

(57:27):
Level Lola at five to six, and then we come
along with the little talk here from six to seven,
and then Brent rounds this thing off from seven to
eight with Event Horizon. So as he plays us out listen,
I thought this was a pretty good show tonight. I
don't hope I'm not a loaning all of that, but
but nonetheless, you know your roll, you're rocking your roll,
and you're rolling your rock. But if you stuck with

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us tonight, thank you for being being a part of
what we do. If you didn't get a chance to
see all of the show live, go on my Facebook
page check it out, or the show comes out as
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God chast the platform, put in the real talk Ship.
The show will pop up there you go. So for

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all of us here a real talk Memphis level, all
ladies and gentlemen, my girl right behind his ear, and
of course briend. It will be up in about a
minute or so with this week's episode of Event Horizon.
Thank you all as always for being a part of
what we do. We really appreciate it. If you job
what we do, God tell somebody, So for all of

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us here friend, for a Lowland and for yours truly ship.
God bless you. Stay safe in this heat, stay safe
period and we look forward to seeing you again real soon.
We are out Jesus