January 1, 2025 • 43 mins
In this inspiring episode, Reggae legend Don Dada speaks from the heart about critical issues such as South African land rights, youth unemployment, global climate change, and political unrest. Learn how his music amplifies voices for social justice and fosters cultural preservation worldwide.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tonight, we bring you an exclusive conversation with a voice
that transcends borders. A global advocate for justice, resilience and
cultural heritage. Don Dada, the South African icon whose music
inspires movements, takes us deep into the heart of the
struggles shaping our world, from the fight for land rights
and youth opportunities in his homeland to the urgent call
(00:22):
for unity in the face of global crises. His words
carry the weight of generations and hope for a better future.
This is more than an interview, It's a journey into
the soul of an artist determined to make change. Stay
tuned to Reggae Our Podcast for an unforgettable dialogue that
will move you to think, feel and act.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
What's going on everybody? This is your boy, mister e
Boss of the South Side Bosses, and we are here
on reggae album Rio West Says Radio. And you know
we had to get our man back once again. Multi
platinum artists doing Datta is back in the building with
us today. How you doing today, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Everything's beautiful, everything is as it should be. I'm so
happy to be here. Excited my brother, mister the e
Boss Radio. What more can I ask for It's a
good vibe every time.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Every time we get on this a good vibe man
from the South Africa all the way to Texas. Baby
is always a good bath out. Man. I just want
to say, I hear that you are on a road
to with the Recording Academy. I just want to ask you,
what is this road that we we we've been hearing
about what's going on ready, Well.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I'm seeking to become a member of the society, get
more involved, basically expand our horizons moving South Africa into
the international stages and platforms, and as well make more connections,
meet new people working through the academy. So it's a
beautiful process that we're going through right now. And I'm
also feeling quite blessed in gifts to be one of
(02:40):
the few people that have submitted and be going through
for consideration.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And you're going you're going in with some accolades already.
Last time we talked to you, we talked about your
multi platinum song. Which song was that.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Again, Vivo Mandela.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That was a big song right there, man, And just
to touch on a big name alone, man, that right there,
I can imagine how much attention we handed over here
Texas bumping man because you know, we gotta keep it.
We gotta keep it. You know what I'm saying, gotta
keep it go one hundred for you. Now with your
(03:35):
new album that's that you just dropped, tell me about
it there. How is it going on? Are you performing?
Are you what kind of accomplishments are you coming to
you about that?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So we had just recently dropped the album The Heart
in the Mind, a double disc double genre of projects,
one disc riggae, other just hip hop, and it's doing
pretty well.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
So a lot of performances going on.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
We've actually received two awards so far, one award for
most Influential Artists, which we received in Kseedncazulu Natal which
is on the coastal side of South Africa. I would
say zululand if if you guys know where that is,
that's that's it right there and then write here in Joberg.
I've also received an award from some move for my
(04:22):
contribution to music, my long term contribution to music, so
that's also a beautiful thing. As well as receiving a
nomination third time nomination for the Very Best in the
Diaspora at the Zimbabwean Hip Hop Awards, So it's been
gonering a lot of attention, not just in South Africa,
but in the whole Southern region of Africa. And it's
just launched, so next year we're still looking at some awards.
(04:44):
There's so many bigger platforms that are coming up, so
it's quite a blessing to be getting this recognition at
the early stage after release.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yes, it is boy and end up be touching two genres.
How is it balancing two different genres on your hands
are still coming out with a Maclet music at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know, it's a question I get often, and it's
something I don't even think about. To be honest, it's
not It's not something that I consciously approached and said, look,
two different genres.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
It's so natural for me.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I mean, reggae music is the music that I grew
up listening to from a baby from in the prem
my mom used to be playing I got all these
LPs over here, so you know, I grew up on
reggae music, and then hip hop was the music that
I started to cut my teeth in the industry.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
So for me to straddle that line, it's quite natural.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Because it's just music that I grew up and being
inspired by. But if I have to think about it,
you know, it makes me quite proud because with reggae music,
we're talking about a music that's a global heritage recognized
by UNESCO as being global culture. So it's beautiful to
be representing reggae music on any level and platform. And
(05:54):
then hip hop music is the music that the masses,
the young kids love it, reggae, hip hop music. It's
it's music that that connects you to the younger generation.
So to be able to bring world heritage connected to
the kids, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, it is. Man like my idol tupact to say,
why am I wasting time with all these grown ups
when it's all these kids that need this knowledge out here.
That's that's a beautiful thing. Now, hipopa reggae has always
been active in the social scene, and like you mentioned,
with the young right now, the younger actually taking the
mantle and leading the charge right with your song Viva
(06:32):
Mandela on your music touch on all of this, tell
me what inspired you to make sure that you have
music that touched on serious situations versus just trying to
make dance dance music that just make you feel good.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, you know, I love making commercial music, and I'm
sure every artist loves to make commercial music. And you know,
the word the term commercial, especially in the entertainment industry,
is very loose because when I say commercial, I mean
music that plays in commercial sphere. So we talk about
radio television. For me, that's commercial. It's not really the content,
but it's more off weight plays. When I look at
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content of music, I feel that a musician is always
a reflection of the environment. And when you look at
where I live in Southern Africa, there's so many things
going on. I mean, we have one of the highest
rates of unemployment in the world.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Jender based violence is continuously on the rise.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Child headed households is something that's quite prevalent as well
in rural areas where you have a young kid that's sixteen,
seventeen years old school waiting to write his high school exams,
looking after his younger siblings. There's so many different things
going on here. So I'll be a miss not to
speak about all of these situations as an artist, because
I also believe in artists is somebody that shows the
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world whatever the news can whatever the news can't reflect,
and you don't see on BBC and CNN, you're going
to hear it in music. And I feel that it's
my duty to report what's going on for those that
can't report for themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, you're so right about that. You're so right about that.
I had to look up certain things that are happening
out in your home in South Africa in order to
be able to get a grasp on what life is
like out there, because what we heard over here is okay,
Biden came to Africa, he visited South Africa, and he
gave the whole continent a billion dollars. But I do
(08:23):
know that there's a battle for land rights in South Africa.
What do you feel about that and what message would
you share with communities fighting against privatization and displacement.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So when you look at the battle for land rights
in South Africa, it's quite a complicated situation because not
only do we talk about the privatization of land, and
also I think when I was looking at the stats
that we're talking about the government owning twenty one.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Percent of the Boston land that's out in South Africa. Wow,
But you have.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
To understand that South African land that has always been
dealt with in a cultural way, meaning through the chiefs.
It's a very complex it's a very complex method that
they go through. So when you talk about taking away
the land, I think they were saying two thousand people
have been displaced in the Popo due to mining activities.
It's a very sad thing because we're talking about people
(09:14):
that have been there for hundreds and hundreds, perhaps thousands
of years. I mean, we're talking about cultural land here.
We're not just talking about some land that someone stumbled upon.
So it's sad to see that people's cultures are not
being recognized and respected, and also that our cultures are
being removed in loo for economical gain. Because all of
this is happening for mining, right we're looking for gold,
(09:37):
diamonds and so forth. Especially when you speak about how
many people don't have housing in South Africa, how many
people are also struggling on a day to day basis
to find food. You're taking away the resources not only
for them to live, but for them to make a living.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
So although in some aspects they.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Have been economically they have been econom weekly funded and
that people have received a little bit of money from
the government or from whatever.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Has privatized it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's never been taken into consideration the long term effects
that you're going to be having on these people. And
I guess the only way that you're going to see
these effects is after some time passive. But again, I
will say, it's very sad in the country that's so large.
If you go coast to coast and you look at it,
how many different cultures are represented within this land. It's
(10:25):
so sad that people are not respecting each other. Until today,
you're still doing the same maneuvers that were happening in
the apartheid regime, because this was the same thing that
would displace people from their homes and rebuild it and
repurpose it.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Into something else.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
So although the face of the government may have changed,
it seems that the methods may have not right.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And you can see it all over the world right now.
I mean, for hundreds of years you've seen people get
displaced and they try to make up for it by
giving them something that they considered a value. But the
people who own the land don't consider its value and
paper and they call it money. And it's like, no,
this is where my ancestors live. That matter of fact,
(11:06):
my ancestors is buried right there. You can see their grades.
How do you see the parallel of these of the
land issues in Africa and other parts of the world.
How do you think that the fight for e equitable
land ownership can inspire global movements for justice and unity?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I mean it's a very scary situation first of all,
because it's kind of putting the governments against the people,
and the people have to unite. We have to say, look,
enough is enough. We need to make sure that everyone
has a place to lay their head, that everyone has
a little patch of land where they could perhaps but
sow their little garden and be able to feed themselves.
(11:46):
If we're talking about food crisis and so on, we
need to ensure that people do not go hungry, and
not only the elderly or people of our generation, but
the younger people because it's something that's going to affect
us for years, hundreds and hundreds of years going.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
So how do we rectify these situations?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
How do we make sure that people that are previously
disadvantaged don't continue to be disadvantaged and continue to be disenfranchised,
and continue to be victims of a system that claims
to be standing behind them, but it's actually pulling the
rugs out from under their feet. So it's it's for
people to come together in a peaceful manner. And I
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guess you know the only way to deal with it
is through the courts. You've got to come together, put
together your partitions, get get a lawyer, and really go
and take this and fight this on on state means,
because if you don't fight it, you've already lost the battle.
So we have to approach it in a way where
we're going to go and stand against it to make
our voices known that we're not with it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yes, and I love the fact that you said that
we have to go through the courts to do this,
because you know, you could go and fight all day, loan,
but people go end up losing their lives and end
up losing the mission at the same time, you know,
and all of it does it just makes it look
like your side is demon eyes. Now you know, it's
said for being the aggressors, when the whole actuality of
the mission is to stop somebody from stealing your property.
(13:08):
But if you go through the court and then after
that you follow it up with running for office, that
way you can make sure this never happens again. That's
what a lot of our people fail to realize, is
that we got to get out of this. Oh, we
got to wait for the government to do this, or
we got representatives, so they're going to take care of us. No,
if you're not representing yourself and your own interests, nobody
(13:31):
is going to take care of your interest because well
there's nobody who has the same interests to you.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
A hundred percent correct, one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I mean, as you were saying, for people to be
restricted from the access to the graves of their ancestors
is it's quite a sad story. I mean, imagine being blocked.
It goes to a cemetery and being told that you're
no longer allowed to go.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
In there because they're redeveloping it.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
They're going to build them all on top of that,
and you're not sure your family has been laying there
for years, in years and years.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But the only way to go against it, as you said,
is to fight the same methods that are going against you.
So you've got to go to the courts and try
and fight those bills, and as you said, running for
offices very important. If you believe that you can bring
about change, you need to go and stand for it,
and stand for your people and represent them because, as
you said, only you will see the same value within
that land. It's your ancestors, it isn't theirs. They're looking
(14:24):
for golden.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Diamonds exactly exactly, and they got they already have techniques,
they got plans put in place to make sure that
they can stay in power. So we have to be
able to see those plans that they have put in place.
Such as the youth, the youth in South Africa, they're
facing staggering unemployment rates. How can music and coachure be
(14:48):
leveraged to empower the young people and open doors for
economic opportunities.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, you know, when I look at music and the
entertainment industry at large, it's always been an important component,
especially for the youth, and come back to unemployment, because
number one, it's something that's always.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Encouraged the entrepreneurial spirit.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's placed a lot of people into the realm of
not only being workers, but being able to own your
own company that's producing perhaps quality content or perhaps giving
out quality services. So within Johannesburg we have stuff such
as the Roadies Association where they take young children who
are unemployed, disenfranchised and interested in music. They take them
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through courses teaching them how to set up stage stages,
how to mix, how to master, how to deal with
large events and large artists, and then they send them
on training courses into Europe as well so that they
can learn from their counterparts in other regions of the world,
bring back that information and help to build the South
African industry. So we have the Roadies Association they're doing that.
We've got sound engineers that are working behind the scenes
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that are also developing artists. There's management that can be
sought out to work behind artists. If you understand how
to promote and to push artists, you could really go
behind an artists and start managing them, looking for the events,
handling their social media, so on and so forth. So
there's many opportunities within music. When I look at it,
and I always tell young people, it's not only the
(16:13):
person in front of the microphone that makes music or
makes the show happen.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
There's one hundred different people.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's the ecosystem, and within that ecosystem you can find
yourself a great value and in a great position to
launch off into other avenues. Because if you're doing music
and you're doing large events for music, you could perhaps
move on and start doing things for television. If you're
doing television, you could perhaps branch off and move into
the radio sphere. So there's many different things within the ecosystem.
(16:40):
You just have to be willing to look for these things.
And I have different opportunities as well.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yes, I'm so glad you touched on them the other
because like everybody see music and the one thing that
they want to be is the rapper. They want to
be the performer or they want to be the beat maker.
But nobody thinks about the stage hand. Nobody thinks about
the people that worst the lights so that that artists
can be seen. Nobody thinks about the people who work
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behind the stage. They are the ones that make the
artists look as stravagant as they are, because without them,
all we doing is listening to an artists sing or
rap or perform. You know, that's all we're doing. But
they're in stage hands. They're very, very important. And I
just had that conversation with my son, and when we
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understand that these small roles that you don't see play
a major part of the story. I believe the world
will be a lot better place. It'll be so much better.
And I know you know that because you speak about
resilience and the power of unity in your songs. What
other advice would you give to the younger generations drive
(18:05):
and overcome economic hardships and South af.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, resilience is definitely one thing. The next thing that
I would look at is you have to think outside
of the box. You know, the traditional days of trying
to get a traditional office job and trying to get
that a nine.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
To five, it's almost gone.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I mean, as I was saying that the heights of
the lengths of unemployment in South Africa quite extreme. We're
looking at almost a fifty percent rates of unemployment and
so to get one of those office jobs is extremely difficult.
There's thousands of people waiting for that position. So you've
got to think outside of the box. You have to
think of use your entrepreneurial spirit, as I was saying.
Within music, there's so many different levels and realms that
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you could work within.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
But that's not what in music.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Only within any business, there's many different levels you can
work in. So for example, if you look at the
communications companies. You could perhaps a pro them and say, look,
I specialize in social media. I could do your social
media presence and you could help them with that. Or
you could say, look, I produce T shirts and I
produce cups and shirts. Let me do your merchandising and
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you could assist the companies with that.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
There's also nonprofit organizations.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You could go through that route where you're not really
working for yourself, but you're working for others and within
their trust. You'll always be looked after because something so
pure always always finds its way to be looked after.
So don't worry about about funding. You'll always find funding
if you're working for others. There's always there's so many
different ways to go about it. As I was saying,
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you just have to think outside of the box, and
especially now when you're looking at the world of AI,
there's so many different opportunities that you could use in
the digital realm as well to capitalize all of these things.
So I would really go and educate myself on all
of these different avenues that you could go through.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yesterday I was actually reading about a girl.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
That uses AI to create little stickers that she sells
these these graphic design websites where you buy packages.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
To create to all of field you a little different.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Edits, such as what we have showing on the screen
right now. So she takes these things AI and then
she sells them on the websites, creat from the self
for lovely income. So you walk outside the Yeah, you
can use these things and you can find a great
way to supplement an income, perhaps even better than the
job that you could get in an office.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
You never know.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's real, that's true. Especially Ahi. AI has opened up
so many great opportunities for people. There's so many people
who are taking care of their business and don't have
to worry about, Oh, I'm not going to make a
paycheck this week. So that's great. AI has opened up
a lot of opportunities. Have y'all don't know anything about it,
go check it out because a lot of these companies
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have what they call AI package resellers, means they make
the AI products for you or you got to do it,
throw a logo on it, and sell it to other people.
So definitely think out in the box.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Now we want to step onto the world scene real quick.
Now everybody knows daily is getting hotter, and it's getting hotter,
whether it be the political atmosphere, whether it's the economic atmosphere,
or whether it's just the world's atmosphere or the Earth's atmosphere. Now,
the climate change has disproportionately affected so many vulnerable communities
(21:24):
around the world. Now, how can artists like yourself use
your platform to amplify these voices and advocate the environmental justice.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
We'll always tell people that that music.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Is such a powerful tool for the simple reason that
a political party only their appeal is only suited to
their supporters, whereas music is on a much broader spectrum.
You have different races, creeds, genders that support your music.
So I would say, put in the message off global woman,
and put in a message off all issues that are
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affecting the world right now into your music the most
crucial ways of getting the message out there, because once
it's in somebody's mind that there's this issue, people start
to start, people start to question and start saying, what
are we going to do to find a solution for this?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
So I would always encourage artists to have.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
A social angle to their music, especially if we're talking
about environmental changes. The extinction of animals global warming. I
know in South Africa we had a crisis where they
were hunting the black rhino almost to extinction. And thank you,
thank you, thankfully for large artists doing promotions and shows
and many people speaking about it, it becomes such a
(22:35):
known situation that they've been put into a sanctuary and
they're now starting to repopulate them.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So I would say they're putting it out there for.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
The people from the artists is one of the most
important and crucial steps because everybody listens to artists, but
not everybody's going to listen to the political side of things,
and not everybody is going to be listening to c
an end. Everybody questions those mediums. So artists have to
use their power of influence for good and then try
and focus focus it on environmental factors and not just
(23:02):
monetary gain exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean, that's the whole purpose of even having a voice.
You have a voice to actually voice your opinions and
make the world a better place, and your music emphasizes
harmony and connection. At what role do you believe cultural
heritage and indigenous knowledge can play in combating the global
climate crisis?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Well, I mean if you look in at indigenous knowledge
and global crisis and so on, you must understand that
indigenous knowledge was made for the benefit of nature. Everything
that was done during those days was done in a
way to keep balance. So there were certain things that
you could hunt or you couldn't hunter because you wanted
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to maintain this species, or you wanted to maintain this bloodline.
There were certain things that you would farm and eat
in certain ways or in certain seasons because this is
the best time and way to do it. And certain
things that you wouldn't want to put into the land
because you knew that it was reaching away from the land.
So it was very sensitive to the environment. So if
I would take something away, if it was if I
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had to choose only one thing, it would be, as
I was saying, that the knowledge that we're not only
we're not alone on this earth. As we take from
this earth, we have to give back to it. We
have to also sew back into the land so that
it and so into us. Indigenous knowledge was very, very
crucial in teaching these aspects, and so I think the
world has to really embrace those things. If you look
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at even in America, the Native American culture, they were
very sensitive to the surroundings.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Everything was not wasted.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
They would use every single part of the animal, they
would use every single part of the corn. Everything was
done with caring and love, knowing that we do not
waste because it's a gift to be given. So it's
something that I would love us to implement again. But
we're saying that we're living in a world that's so
fast placed and become so modernized, and everything is on
a now type of thing. People need everything right now.
(24:59):
It's very hard to se see them becoming sensitive for
the environment. I mean, even when you try and move
away from old gasoline cars and go to lisbium batteries,
the damage that you're doing mining for the batteries for
these vehicles really outweighs the damage that you were doing
with the gasoline cars. So we really have to look
at what we're doing to our surroundings before we moved
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to something else.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, that's beautiful. I'm glad you said that we're not
here alone. We are not on this planet by ourselves.
It's not just humans. And one movie that I love
that explains that lionking circle of life. You know, when
you disrupt that circle of life. Even in nature, Nature
(25:43):
resets itself because it wasn't supposed to be disrupted. The
disruption was scar Now. We just watched Move Fossil last night,
and when you said that we're not on this earth
by ourselves, my wife asked me something that happened in
that movie, like, how do these animals know about it? Like, hey,
they are the earth. We used to be the earth.
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They are the earth. They live according to the earth,
to nature. This is why they don't have to worry
about climate change. They know where to go when it
gets hot, and they know where to go when it
gets cold. They're gonna be good. We're the ones that's
in danger and we are messing it up for them.
But since they work with Mother Earth, Mother Earth is
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gonna protect them. Mother Earth is gonna protect the people
who are working against them. And that's when the climate
change has been done doing so much damage to us.
And like you said, if these artists aren't using that
voice to bring out this information that the indigenous, our
indigenous ancestors had established from the gates, then we are
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gonna be stuck doing the same thing over and over.
It's gonna get worse and worse and we're just gonna
be We're not gonna be able to survive it. So
thank you for even touching on the records. When people
talk about the world, they talk about humans. They don't
talk about the animals, they don't talk about the plants,
they don't talk about the ecosystems that make this earth
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a planet to live on and to live on for
all of us.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Very true.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I mean, when you were saying that, it just made
me think about the impact that the tsunamis have on
coastal cities. And mainly one of the main reasons for
that is because of how far back the humans have
pushed the ocean, and so every now and then the
ocean will reclaim its land, and as you said, mother
nature will reset herself, and if she has to get
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extremely hard for it to get right again, that that's
what happens. And so we have to be mindful about
what we're doing so that when a reset happens, it's
not a brutal reset where we're losing millions of people
and millions of lives. We have to be mindful of
ale as you said, as we were just saying, we're
not alone on this earth. We're all in this together
everything plays its popular exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And since mother Earth is going to protect animal rights
because they live with Mother Earth, we need to start
looking at how we can protect our human rights by
going back to live with Mother Earth. And we seem
like we can't even can't even respect each other. Like
look at the Middle East. It continues to face severe
political unrest and human rights challenges. So how do you
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think that the arts can shed light on these issues
and foster the sets of global solidarity.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well, again, as I said, artists have a voice, and
this voice is something that needs to be utilized in
order to share the message of global solidarity. But also
this has to be a voice that's culturally sensitive.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I feel that it has to.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I would like the voice to be coming from the
Middle East and come into the world because they understand
their culture. It's very it's very strange when people from
other regions of the world try and direct something that
that's happening in another place. And what springs to mind
was a song about there won't be they I think
(29:05):
it goes there won't be snow in Africa this Christmas.
I forget who wrote the song, but that's one of
the main lyrics in the song. Well, one of the
first things is that there isn't snow in Africa because
Africa's warments in the southern region, so it doesn't snow
in Christmas. That wouldn't make sense, So very bad songwriting
with that firstly, and secondly, you know the it was
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demean It was demeaning to the African people. And the
man who had written the song obviously was not trying
to insult anybody. He was actually trying to bring He
was trying to bring attention to a situation that was
happening in Africa during that period. But the way that
it was done was completely insensitive. And so hence why
I say I would love somebody who's culturally sensitive to
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the region of the Middle East then to speak about it,
because they would know how to.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Speak about it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
They will speak about it in the right way, portray
it in the right way, and then we would get
the message correctly, because when it comes from a voice
that doesn't understand that region, then I feel that you're
not getting a true reflection of what's going on.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
That's real, that's real and legazy. You mentioned something that
is a very it's fact and I have actually seen
an artist from Palestine in Gaza make a video and
make a music video to a song that you go
about the war, and it was so powerful and it
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wasn't just the lyrics, it was the visuals. Like, I
don't care who you are. When you watch this video,
when you see what's actually going on in Gaza, you're
gonna want to say stop unless you're just an evil
person that just wants destruction, because that's what's going on
over there, total other destruction. And you're right, the artists
out there, we need this. I'm gonna start thank you
(30:54):
for giving me that mission. I'm gonna start amplifying those
voices from Palestine, those ones that's made music because I've
seen it. I'm like, I want to put this on
the radio. I just didn't know, you know what. And
I don't care about how the backlash. I don't care
about backlash because right now, the possible backlash is that
that Palestine fiasco goes all over the world like they've
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been trying to do, and we need to be able
to stop it where it's at right now with Palestine
before it stretches everywhere. So you're definitely right, and definitely
got to get into the fact of putting those voices
out there so that they can be heard. So with
that they say it, uh and you wi your I'm sorry.
Giving your international reach, how would you use your platform
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to advocate for these suffering under oppressive regimes and supports
called for freedom and dignity.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well, you know, I'm doing interviews as we're doing right now,
is one of the methods that I've been utilizing. Also
speaking about the hardships that that people have been going
through within my music, I'm using the same approach as
Bob Miley. Did you know, when the music hits them,
feel no pain. So I'm going to use the music
to let them down. That's going to be the plan
right there as well. I'm not a man of war,
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and so it's not to wage war against any side,
whether I believe they're right or they're wrong. But it's
more to create unity and to bring togetherness and to
bring healing, because I feel that in the world there's
already enough war. I mean, you're talking about Ukraine, this Palestine, Congo,
so many, so many wars and so many brutal things
(32:29):
happening throughout the world. So we should approach things more
with an open heart. With the message of love, with
the message of dealing, the message of unity, and try
and change this message of war. You know, when people
look for look at look for a division for long
enough within each other, you're gonna find it. You're going
to find a way to stand against each other. So
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now we have to start looking for ways to stand
together with each other. And we're going to find ways
and we must stand together.
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Speaker 2 (33:25):
I'm glad you said and you said it with peace.
You said it with peace. That brings two situations to
my mind. That's the first situation is when Bob Marley
brun those two politicians together in order to bring some
kind of unity to Jamaica. That right there alone, he
did that peacefully. He did that with music during the
time when people were getting killed executed in everything he
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was able to bring and not a sudden stop, but
he was able to start that stop by bringing those
two politicians together peacefully. The second time that the second
incident that that brains to my mind is when Moses
led the Israelites side of Egypt. Never once did Moses
did do anything violent. He went to Pharaoh peacefully. Pharaoh
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was the violent one. Moses went through him again peacefully.
Pharaoh was violent. God was like, you're not going to
keep and God did it where it didn't harm people
until the very end. Locuses, frogs, stuff like that, mosquitos
and stuff like that. You didn't pretty much, you wasn't
dying from and you was very uncomfortable. God made you
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very uncomfortable. So that goes to show you right that
there's very peaceful ways to bring it into violence. And
I'm glad you said that because when you were saying
that those two populatives that's why I didn't even have
those plans. So your message is very very clear on that.
And with that being said, what main message do you
(34:58):
want the world here today when it comes to the political, economic,
to the whole atmosphere of the world that we liveing
in right now? What do you have to say to them?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Well, you know, my my my first thing, and the
first it would be a question is when is enough enough?
You know, when is enough enough? When is it enough war?
When do you have enough money? When do you have
enough land? When have you got enough oil?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
When is enough enough? Have you have you? Have you
not taken enough? Is there's still more that needs to
be taken?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Because I feel that whenever's things have been taken, too
many people have lost lives, too many people have lost
ways of living and providing for their family.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
So we have to decide when is enough enough? And
we have to stand together as humans on this earth.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
There's so many divisions within us and especially in Africa
that the afrophobia is quite a big issue. And for me,
it's it's it's quite a surprising issue because it's respecting
and fighting for borders that were not placed here by us,
not divide this land. We did not make South Africa
South Africa. But so why now we didn't place all
that order? We all live together as one, peaceful in harmony.
(36:09):
It's as if going to the United States and putting
borders between all of the states and New York WANs
to go to war with New Jersey because it's New Jersey.
It doesn't make sense. So we have to find love
for each other. We have to realize that we all
have to live on this earth together. And the sooner
that we can find a peaceful way to live on
this earth together, a way that brings benefits to each other,
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not taking from each other but actually giving to each other,
then we will find a better way for us all
to co exist in this world.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yes, sir, we definitely will. Man. And it's always good
hearing it from an artist with your caliber, because.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
You know you got.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I love Cardi B as a person, love as a person,
but when she started talking about politics, it was like,
I'm we need to stop. But hearing it from you
after listening to your music, it's so it's based in concrete. Fact,
it's based in concrete. Uh, not just wild emotion, but
(37:11):
focused emotion, focus emotion, focused planning, focus, aiming. And I
just want to say, man, that's why I continue to
do these interviews with you. Your content is so uplifting
after doing years of gangster wrapping in such destructive music,
it is so refreshing, it's so upbuilding, I feel I
(37:31):
feel like I'm being reconstructed listening to your music talking
to you on these interviews, and it's so it's i'm
I'm a lost words, I'm I keep going over knows
a lot to me myself.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I enjoy doing interviews with you because it's more than
an interview.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
We're having a brilliant.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Conversation, conversations that need to be heard, something that's given
more to people than just music. We're speaking about things
that affect all of us. And so I really enjoy
doing interviews with you, and not only doing interviews with you,
but even just going and reviewing the other interviews you've
done with many other people, because you've always got something important,
something special to say.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
And I implore everyone that's watching this gets.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
To hear this, that they should go and go through
the archives and just see all of the stuff that
you got because you can do a whole lot of
learning from there as well. So I want to say
thank you to you for creating a platform that's giving
back to everyone, not only to me. I don't need
to reggae music not only to musicians, but to the
world because what you're doing now is a global thing.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I want to say thank you for that I needed
then and I received that because of what I needed
is But yes, it is wonderful every time to get
on here. And do you want to can you please
drop us some of knowledge right before we leave out
of here and just drop us some of anything, bits
of knowledge that just comes to your here.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Well, you know, like I look, when I always leave
an interview, I always like to leave a little bit
of motivation for the young people out there. And it's
always the same little bit of motivation and is to say,
this life that we live in, it's not a sprint.
It's a marathon, marathon. You need stamina, it's not a
quick race. And with that also comes your resilience. Do
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not give up. You cannot win a race you stop halfway.
Keep on pushing forward. And at the best of times,
you may be running alone. You may be in the
fog and you can't see anybody around you, and you're
wondering what am I doing here? You just have to
keep your head down. You just have to keep pushing forward.
Those are the times that that I'm meant to test you.
It wants to take you out of the race. Do
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not leave the race, because the finish line could be
right around the corner.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
You don't know. Just keep on pushing forward.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
And secondly, if you're sitting at home and you're wondering.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
What should I do, I've got this idea.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I want to maybe work on AI or I want
to start writing music. Whatever you want to do, I
employ you to start doing it today.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Look around you.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
If you want to get onto the AI, use your
cell phone, use the internet, use whatever you can to
educate yourself.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
If you want to.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Start writing music, pick up your pen, your paper, start
writing to music if you don't have production rights on
other people's music, just so you can get a feel
for writing. Start doing whatever you need to do for
whatever you want to do now, so that when the
opportunity comes for you to do it for real, you're
so prepared you.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Conquer the mountain without trying.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, sir, that's what I'm talking about. That is edification
right there. Y'all need to take them words, ingest them,
and then regurgitate it back onto the world. I love it.
Is there anybody you want to give a shout out to?
Any news that you want to give us.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
So quick shout out rough Cut Studio in Adie building
right over here, big up themselves. The whole management team
behind me, shout out to you, the whole production team
that worked with me on the album.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I want to give them also a big shout out.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
But I honor and a privilege to work with such
talented individuals. It was a blessing, humbled and honored. Shout
out to Tough govern International Content, Connect Africa, my publishers,
Gallow Music Man. Shout out to to everybody who's helped
to make this journey possible. All of the people that
have supported me along these ways, all of the communities
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that have supported me. I want to say thank you
to you, because it's without you where would I be.
I wouldn't exist. So thank you to all the communities
that stood behind me. And of course thank you to
you again for the platform and always being willing to share,
happy and willing to share the platform with me. I'm
really appreciative of that. There's not many people with such
a beautiful heart, so thank you as well, and also
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shout out with shout out MISSISSII. I don't want to
forget she's also got that beautiful heart.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I definitely make your affairs alone too. And then
you have a family ye ah. Deep dive into the
mind and mission of Don Da a true voice for
the people, whether these address and the struggles at home
in South Africa, or shining a light on global injustices,
or lifting us with this music. His words remind us
that we all have a role to play in shaping
a more just and until five world. Through the rhythms
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of reggae and power of hip hop, Don Data inspires
us to rise up, give thanks for our blessings and
cherish our memories. Thank you Don Dalla for sharing your time,
your vision, and your heart with us today. To all
our listeners, don't forget to stream the Heart and the Mind,
available now on all major platforms, and join the movement.
This isn't just music, It's a call to action. Until
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next time, stay tuned to Boss Radio for more powerful
voices and then stopping fives, keep fighting.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Loving people, living for it better thanm all and y'all,
he said, blessing. Yes, I want.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
To tell you during this festive season, everybody.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Travels, drive safe, man.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
I know, I know a lot of pictureness is going
on on these roads, so be safe and enjoy.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
Haunch you Love.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
Nineteen eighteen July Transguiser the King, All hail the Chief Chief.
Wait to jip from his sleep and sleep with black
put Vanella ducky D's on the daily.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
It was the early sixties we read on
Speaker 7 (43:13):
Fighter broadby the levee of a broken system
Tonight, we bring you an exclusive conversation with a voice
that transcends borders. A global advocate for justice, resilience and
cultural heritage. Don Dada, the South African icon whose music
inspires movements, takes us deep into the heart of the
struggles shaping our world, from the fight for land rights
and youth opportunities in his homeland to the urgent call
(00:22):
for unity in the face of global crises. His words
carry the weight of generations and hope for a better future.
This is more than an interview, It's a journey into
the soul of an artist determined to make change. Stay
tuned to Reggae Our Podcast for an unforgettable dialogue that
will move you to think, feel and act.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
What's going on everybody? This is your boy, mister e
Boss of the South Side Bosses, and we are here
on reggae album Rio West Says Radio. And you know
we had to get our man back once again. Multi
platinum artists doing Datta is back in the building with
us today. How you doing today, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Everything's beautiful, everything is as it should be. I'm so
happy to be here. Excited my brother, mister the e
Boss Radio. What more can I ask for It's a
good vibe every time.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Every time we get on this a good vibe man
from the South Africa all the way to Texas. Baby
is always a good bath out. Man. I just want
to say, I hear that you are on a road
to with the Recording Academy. I just want to ask you,
what is this road that we we we've been hearing
about what's going on ready, Well.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I'm seeking to become a member of the society, get
more involved, basically expand our horizons moving South Africa into
the international stages and platforms, and as well make more connections,
meet new people working through the academy. So it's a
beautiful process that we're going through right now. And I'm
also feeling quite blessed in gifts to be one of
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the few people that have submitted and be going through
for consideration.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And you're going you're going in with some accolades already.
Last time we talked to you, we talked about your
multi platinum song. Which song was that.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Again, Vivo Mandela.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That was a big song right there, man, And just
to touch on a big name alone, man, that right there,
I can imagine how much attention we handed over here
Texas bumping man because you know, we gotta keep it.
We gotta keep it. You know what I'm saying, gotta
keep it go one hundred for you. Now with your
(03:35):
new album that's that you just dropped, tell me about
it there. How is it going on? Are you performing?
Are you what kind of accomplishments are you coming to
you about that?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So we had just recently dropped the album The Heart
in the Mind, a double disc double genre of projects,
one disc riggae, other just hip hop, and it's doing
pretty well.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
So a lot of performances going on.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
We've actually received two awards so far, one award for
most Influential Artists, which we received in Kseedncazulu Natal which
is on the coastal side of South Africa. I would
say zululand if if you guys know where that is,
that's that's it right there and then write here in Joberg.
I've also received an award from some move for my
(04:22):
contribution to music, my long term contribution to music, so
that's also a beautiful thing. As well as receiving a
nomination third time nomination for the Very Best in the
Diaspora at the Zimbabwean Hip Hop Awards, So it's been
gonering a lot of attention, not just in South Africa,
but in the whole Southern region of Africa. And it's
just launched, so next year we're still looking at some awards.
(04:44):
There's so many bigger platforms that are coming up, so
it's quite a blessing to be getting this recognition at
the early stage after release.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yes, it is boy and end up be touching two genres.
How is it balancing two different genres on your hands
are still coming out with a Maclet music at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know, it's a question I get often, and it's
something I don't even think about. To be honest, it's
not It's not something that I consciously approached and said, look,
two different genres.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
It's so natural for me.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I mean, reggae music is the music that I grew
up listening to from a baby from in the prem
my mom used to be playing I got all these
LPs over here, so you know, I grew up on
reggae music, and then hip hop was the music that
I started to cut my teeth in the industry.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
So for me to straddle that line, it's quite natural.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Because it's just music that I grew up and being
inspired by. But if I have to think about it,
you know, it makes me quite proud because with reggae music,
we're talking about a music that's a global heritage recognized
by UNESCO as being global culture. So it's beautiful to
be representing reggae music on any level and platform. And
(05:54):
then hip hop music is the music that the masses,
the young kids love it, reggae, hip hop music. It's
it's music that that connects you to the younger generation.
So to be able to bring world heritage connected to
the kids, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, it is. Man like my idol tupact to say,
why am I wasting time with all these grown ups
when it's all these kids that need this knowledge out here.
That's that's a beautiful thing. Now, hipopa reggae has always
been active in the social scene, and like you mentioned,
with the young right now, the younger actually taking the
mantle and leading the charge right with your song Viva
(06:32):
Mandela on your music touch on all of this, tell
me what inspired you to make sure that you have
music that touched on serious situations versus just trying to
make dance dance music that just make you feel good.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, you know, I love making commercial music, and I'm
sure every artist loves to make commercial music. And you know,
the word the term commercial, especially in the entertainment industry,
is very loose because when I say commercial, I mean
music that plays in commercial sphere. So we talk about
radio television. For me, that's commercial. It's not really the content,
but it's more off weight plays. When I look at
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content of music, I feel that a musician is always
a reflection of the environment. And when you look at
where I live in Southern Africa, there's so many things
going on. I mean, we have one of the highest
rates of unemployment in the world.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Jender based violence is continuously on the rise.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Child headed households is something that's quite prevalent as well
in rural areas where you have a young kid that's sixteen,
seventeen years old school waiting to write his high school exams,
looking after his younger siblings. There's so many different things
going on here. So I'll be a miss not to
speak about all of these situations as an artist, because
I also believe in artists is somebody that shows the
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world whatever the news can whatever the news can't reflect,
and you don't see on BBC and CNN, you're going
to hear it in music. And I feel that it's
my duty to report what's going on for those that
can't report for themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, you're so right about that. You're so right about that.
I had to look up certain things that are happening
out in your home in South Africa in order to
be able to get a grasp on what life is
like out there, because what we heard over here is okay,
Biden came to Africa, he visited South Africa, and he
gave the whole continent a billion dollars. But I do
(08:23):
know that there's a battle for land rights in South Africa.
What do you feel about that and what message would
you share with communities fighting against privatization and displacement.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So when you look at the battle for land rights
in South Africa, it's quite a complicated situation because not
only do we talk about the privatization of land, and
also I think when I was looking at the stats
that we're talking about the government owning twenty one.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Percent of the Boston land that's out in South Africa. Wow,
But you have.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
To understand that South African land that has always been
dealt with in a cultural way, meaning through the chiefs.
It's a very complex it's a very complex method that
they go through. So when you talk about taking away
the land, I think they were saying two thousand people
have been displaced in the Popo due to mining activities.
It's a very sad thing because we're talking about people
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that have been there for hundreds and hundreds, perhaps thousands
of years. I mean, we're talking about cultural land here.
We're not just talking about some land that someone stumbled upon.
So it's sad to see that people's cultures are not
being recognized and respected, and also that our cultures are
being removed in loo for economical gain. Because all of
this is happening for mining, right we're looking for gold,
(09:37):
diamonds and so forth. Especially when you speak about how
many people don't have housing in South Africa, how many
people are also struggling on a day to day basis
to find food. You're taking away the resources not only
for them to live, but for them to make a living.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
So although in some aspects they.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Have been economically they have been econom weekly funded and
that people have received a little bit of money from
the government or from whatever.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Has privatized it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's never been taken into consideration the long term effects
that you're going to be having on these people. And
I guess the only way that you're going to see
these effects is after some time passive. But again, I
will say, it's very sad in the country that's so large.
If you go coast to coast and you look at it,
how many different cultures are represented within this land. It's
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so sad that people are not respecting each other. Until today,
you're still doing the same maneuvers that were happening in
the apartheid regime, because this was the same thing that
would displace people from their homes and rebuild it and
repurpose it.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Into something else.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
So although the face of the government may have changed,
it seems that the methods may have not right.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And you can see it all over the world right now.
I mean, for hundreds of years you've seen people get
displaced and they try to make up for it by
giving them something that they considered a value. But the
people who own the land don't consider its value and
paper and they call it money. And it's like, no,
this is where my ancestors live. That matter of fact,
(11:06):
my ancestors is buried right there. You can see their grades.
How do you see the parallel of these of the
land issues in Africa and other parts of the world.
How do you think that the fight for e equitable
land ownership can inspire global movements for justice and unity?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I mean it's a very scary situation first of all,
because it's kind of putting the governments against the people,
and the people have to unite. We have to say, look,
enough is enough. We need to make sure that everyone
has a place to lay their head, that everyone has
a little patch of land where they could perhaps but
sow their little garden and be able to feed themselves.
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If we're talking about food crisis and so on, we
need to ensure that people do not go hungry, and
not only the elderly or people of our generation, but
the younger people because it's something that's going to affect
us for years, hundreds and hundreds of years going.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
So how do we rectify these situations?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
How do we make sure that people that are previously
disadvantaged don't continue to be disadvantaged and continue to be disenfranchised,
and continue to be victims of a system that claims
to be standing behind them, but it's actually pulling the
rugs out from under their feet. So it's it's for
people to come together in a peaceful manner. And I
(12:23):
guess you know the only way to deal with it
is through the courts. You've got to come together, put
together your partitions, get get a lawyer, and really go
and take this and fight this on on state means,
because if you don't fight it, you've already lost the battle.
So we have to approach it in a way where
we're going to go and stand against it to make
our voices known that we're not with it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yes, and I love the fact that you said that
we have to go through the courts to do this,
because you know, you could go and fight all day, loan,
but people go end up losing their lives and end
up losing the mission at the same time, you know,
and all of it does it just makes it look
like your side is demon eyes. Now you know, it's
said for being the aggressors, when the whole actuality of
the mission is to stop somebody from stealing your property.
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But if you go through the court and then after
that you follow it up with running for office, that
way you can make sure this never happens again. That's
what a lot of our people fail to realize, is
that we got to get out of this. Oh, we
got to wait for the government to do this, or
we got representatives, so they're going to take care of us. No,
if you're not representing yourself and your own interests, nobody
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is going to take care of your interest because well
there's nobody who has the same interests to you.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
A hundred percent correct, one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I mean, as you were saying, for people to be
restricted from the access to the graves of their ancestors
is it's quite a sad story. I mean, imagine being blocked.
It goes to a cemetery and being told that you're
no longer allowed to go.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
In there because they're redeveloping it.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
They're going to build them all on top of that,
and you're not sure your family has been laying there
for years, in years and years.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But the only way to go against it, as you said,
is to fight the same methods that are going against you.
So you've got to go to the courts and try
and fight those bills, and as you said, running for
offices very important. If you believe that you can bring
about change, you need to go and stand for it,
and stand for your people and represent them because, as
you said, only you will see the same value within
that land. It's your ancestors, it isn't theirs. They're looking
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for golden.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Diamonds exactly exactly, and they got they already have techniques,
they got plans put in place to make sure that
they can stay in power. So we have to be
able to see those plans that they have put in place.
Such as the youth, the youth in South Africa, they're
facing staggering unemployment rates. How can music and coachure be
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leveraged to empower the young people and open doors for
economic opportunities.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, you know, when I look at music and the
entertainment industry at large, it's always been an important component,
especially for the youth, and come back to unemployment, because
number one, it's something that's always.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Encouraged the entrepreneurial spirit.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's placed a lot of people into the realm of
not only being workers, but being able to own your
own company that's producing perhaps quality content or perhaps giving
out quality services. So within Johannesburg we have stuff such
as the Roadies Association where they take young children who
are unemployed, disenfranchised and interested in music. They take them
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through courses teaching them how to set up stage stages,
how to mix, how to master, how to deal with
large events and large artists, and then they send them
on training courses into Europe as well so that they
can learn from their counterparts in other regions of the world,
bring back that information and help to build the South
African industry. So we have the Roadies Association they're doing that.
We've got sound engineers that are working behind the scenes
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that are also developing artists. There's management that can be
sought out to work behind artists. If you understand how
to promote and to push artists, you could really go
behind an artists and start managing them, looking for the events,
handling their social media, so on and so forth. So
there's many opportunities within music. When I look at it,
and I always tell young people, it's not only the
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person in front of the microphone that makes music or
makes the show happen.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
There's one hundred different people.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It's the ecosystem, and within that ecosystem you can find
yourself a great value and in a great position to
launch off into other avenues. Because if you're doing music
and you're doing large events for music, you could perhaps
move on and start doing things for television. If you're
doing television, you could perhaps branch off and move into
the radio sphere. So there's many different things within the ecosystem.
(16:40):
You just have to be willing to look for these things.
And I have different opportunities as well.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yes, I'm so glad you touched on them the other
because like everybody see music and the one thing that
they want to be is the rapper. They want to
be the performer or they want to be the beat maker.
But nobody thinks about the stage hand. Nobody thinks about
the people that worst the lights so that that artists
can be seen. Nobody thinks about the people who work
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behind the stage. They are the ones that make the
artists look as stravagant as they are, because without them,
all we doing is listening to an artists sing or
rap or perform. You know, that's all we're doing. But
they're in stage hands. They're very, very important. And I
just had that conversation with my son, and when we
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understand that these small roles that you don't see play
a major part of the story. I believe the world
will be a lot better place. It'll be so much better.
And I know you know that because you speak about
resilience and the power of unity in your songs. What
other advice would you give to the younger generations drive
(18:05):
and overcome economic hardships and South af.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, resilience is definitely one thing. The next thing that
I would look at is you have to think outside
of the box. You know, the traditional days of trying
to get a traditional office job and trying to get
that a nine.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
To five, it's almost gone.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I mean, as I was saying that the heights of
the lengths of unemployment in South Africa quite extreme. We're
looking at almost a fifty percent rates of unemployment and
so to get one of those office jobs is extremely difficult.
There's thousands of people waiting for that position. So you've
got to think outside of the box. You have to
think of use your entrepreneurial spirit, as I was saying.
Within music, there's so many different levels and realms that
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you could work within.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
But that's not what in music.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Only within any business, there's many different levels you can
work in. So for example, if you look at the
communications companies. You could perhaps a pro them and say, look,
I specialize in social media. I could do your social
media presence and you could help them with that. Or
you could say, look, I produce T shirts and I
produce cups and shirts. Let me do your merchandising and
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you could assist the companies with that.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
There's also nonprofit organizations.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You could go through that route where you're not really
working for yourself, but you're working for others and within
their trust. You'll always be looked after because something so
pure always always finds its way to be looked after.
So don't worry about about funding. You'll always find funding
if you're working for others. There's always there's so many
different ways to go about it. As I was saying,
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you just have to think outside of the box, and
especially now when you're looking at the world of AI,
there's so many different opportunities that you could use in
the digital realm as well to capitalize all of these things.
So I would really go and educate myself on all
of these different avenues that you could go through.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yesterday I was actually reading about a girl.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
That uses AI to create little stickers that she sells
these these graphic design websites where you buy packages.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
To create to all of field you a little different.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Edits, such as what we have showing on the screen
right now. So she takes these things AI and then
she sells them on the websites, creat from the self
for lovely income. So you walk outside the Yeah, you
can use these things and you can find a great
way to supplement an income, perhaps even better than the
job that you could get in an office.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
You never know.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's real, that's true. Especially Ahi. AI has opened up
so many great opportunities for people. There's so many people
who are taking care of their business and don't have
to worry about, Oh, I'm not going to make a
paycheck this week. So that's great. AI has opened up
a lot of opportunities. Have y'all don't know anything about it,
go check it out because a lot of these companies
(20:48):
have what they call AI package resellers, means they make
the AI products for you or you got to do it,
throw a logo on it, and sell it to other people.
So definitely think out in the box.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Now we want to step onto the world scene real quick.
Now everybody knows daily is getting hotter, and it's getting hotter,
whether it be the political atmosphere, whether it's the economic atmosphere,
or whether it's just the world's atmosphere or the Earth's atmosphere. Now,
the climate change has disproportionately affected so many vulnerable communities
(21:24):
around the world. Now, how can artists like yourself use
your platform to amplify these voices and advocate the environmental justice.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
We'll always tell people that that music.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Is such a powerful tool for the simple reason that
a political party only their appeal is only suited to
their supporters, whereas music is on a much broader spectrum.
You have different races, creeds, genders that support your music.
So I would say, put in the message off global woman,
and put in a message off all issues that are
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affecting the world right now into your music the most
crucial ways of getting the message out there, because once
it's in somebody's mind that there's this issue, people start
to start, people start to question and start saying, what
are we going to do to find a solution for this?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
So I would always encourage artists to have.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
A social angle to their music, especially if we're talking
about environmental changes. The extinction of animals global warming. I
know in South Africa we had a crisis where they
were hunting the black rhino almost to extinction. And thank you,
thank you, thankfully for large artists doing promotions and shows
and many people speaking about it, it becomes such a
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known situation that they've been put into a sanctuary and
they're now starting to repopulate them.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
So I would say they're putting it out there for.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
The people from the artists is one of the most
important and crucial steps because everybody listens to artists, but
not everybody's going to listen to the political side of things,
and not everybody is going to be listening to c
an end. Everybody questions those mediums. So artists have to
use their power of influence for good and then try
and focus focus it on environmental factors and not just
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monetary gain exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I mean, that's the whole purpose of even having a voice.
You have a voice to actually voice your opinions and
make the world a better place, and your music emphasizes
harmony and connection. At what role do you believe cultural
heritage and indigenous knowledge can play in combating the global
climate crisis?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Well, I mean if you look in at indigenous knowledge
and global crisis and so on, you must understand that
indigenous knowledge was made for the benefit of nature. Everything
that was done during those days was done in a
way to keep balance. So there were certain things that
you could hunt or you couldn't hunter because you wanted
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to maintain this species, or you wanted to maintain this bloodline.
There were certain things that you would farm and eat
in certain ways or in certain seasons because this is
the best time and way to do it. And certain
things that you wouldn't want to put into the land
because you knew that it was reaching away from the land.
So it was very sensitive to the environment. So if
I would take something away, if it was if I
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had to choose only one thing, it would be, as
I was saying, that the knowledge that we're not only
we're not alone on this earth. As we take from
this earth, we have to give back to it. We
have to also sew back into the land so that
it and so into us. Indigenous knowledge was very, very
crucial in teaching these aspects, and so I think the
world has to really embrace those things. If you look
(24:29):
at even in America, the Native American culture, they were
very sensitive to the surroundings.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Everything was not wasted.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
They would use every single part of the animal, they
would use every single part of the corn. Everything was
done with caring and love, knowing that we do not
waste because it's a gift to be given. So it's
something that I would love us to implement again. But
we're saying that we're living in a world that's so
fast placed and become so modernized, and everything is on
a now type of thing. People need everything right now.
(24:59):
It's very hard to se see them becoming sensitive for
the environment. I mean, even when you try and move
away from old gasoline cars and go to lisbium batteries,
the damage that you're doing mining for the batteries for
these vehicles really outweighs the damage that you were doing
with the gasoline cars. So we really have to look
at what we're doing to our surroundings before we moved
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to something else.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, that's beautiful. I'm glad you said that we're not
here alone. We are not on this planet by ourselves.
It's not just humans. And one movie that I love
that explains that lionking circle of life. You know, when
you disrupt that circle of life. Even in nature, Nature
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resets itself because it wasn't supposed to be disrupted. The
disruption was scar Now. We just watched Move Fossil last night,
and when you said that we're not on this earth
by ourselves, my wife asked me something that happened in
that movie, like, how do these animals know about it? Like, hey,
they are the earth. We used to be the earth.
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They are the earth. They live according to the earth,
to nature. This is why they don't have to worry
about climate change. They know where to go when it
gets hot, and they know where to go when it
gets cold. They're gonna be good. We're the ones that's
in danger and we are messing it up for them.
But since they work with Mother Earth, Mother Earth is
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gonna protect them. Mother Earth is gonna protect the people
who are working against them. And that's when the climate
change has been done doing so much damage to us.
And like you said, if these artists aren't using that
voice to bring out this information that the indigenous, our
indigenous ancestors had established from the gates, then we are
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gonna be stuck doing the same thing over and over.
It's gonna get worse and worse and we're just gonna
be We're not gonna be able to survive it. So
thank you for even touching on the records. When people
talk about the world, they talk about humans. They don't
talk about the animals, they don't talk about the plants,
they don't talk about the ecosystems that make this earth
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a planet to live on and to live on for
all of us.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Very true.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I mean, when you were saying that, it just made
me think about the impact that the tsunamis have on
coastal cities. And mainly one of the main reasons for
that is because of how far back the humans have
pushed the ocean, and so every now and then the
ocean will reclaim its land, and as you said, mother
nature will reset herself, and if she has to get
(27:39):
extremely hard for it to get right again, that that's
what happens. And so we have to be mindful about
what we're doing so that when a reset happens, it's
not a brutal reset where we're losing millions of people
and millions of lives. We have to be mindful of
ale as you said, as we were just saying, we're
not alone on this earth. We're all in this together
everything plays its popular exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And since mother Earth is going to protect animal rights
because they live with Mother Earth, we need to start
looking at how we can protect our human rights by
going back to live with Mother Earth. And we seem
like we can't even can't even respect each other. Like
look at the Middle East. It continues to face severe
political unrest and human rights challenges. So how do you
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think that the arts can shed light on these issues
and foster the sets of global solidarity.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well, again, as I said, artists have a voice, and
this voice is something that needs to be utilized in
order to share the message of global solidarity. But also
this has to be a voice that's culturally sensitive.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I feel that it has to.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I would like the voice to be coming from the
Middle East and come into the world because they understand
their culture. It's very it's very strange when people from
other regions of the world try and direct something that
that's happening in another place. And what springs to mind
was a song about there won't be they I think
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it goes there won't be snow in Africa this Christmas.
I forget who wrote the song, but that's one of
the main lyrics in the song. Well, one of the
first things is that there isn't snow in Africa because
Africa's warments in the southern region, so it doesn't snow
in Christmas. That wouldn't make sense, So very bad songwriting
with that firstly, and secondly, you know the it was
(29:29):
demean It was demeaning to the African people. And the
man who had written the song obviously was not trying
to insult anybody. He was actually trying to bring He
was trying to bring attention to a situation that was
happening in Africa during that period. But the way that
it was done was completely insensitive. And so hence why
I say I would love somebody who's culturally sensitive to
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the region of the Middle East then to speak about it,
because they would know how to.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Speak about it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
They will speak about it in the right way, portray
it in the right way, and then we would get
the message correctly, because when it comes from a voice
that doesn't understand that region, then I feel that you're
not getting a true reflection of what's going on.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
That's real, that's real and legazy. You mentioned something that
is a very it's fact and I have actually seen
an artist from Palestine in Gaza make a video and
make a music video to a song that you go
about the war, and it was so powerful and it
(30:33):
wasn't just the lyrics, it was the visuals. Like, I
don't care who you are. When you watch this video,
when you see what's actually going on in Gaza, you're
gonna want to say stop unless you're just an evil
person that just wants destruction, because that's what's going on
over there, total other destruction. And you're right, the artists
out there, we need this. I'm gonna start thank you
(30:54):
for giving me that mission. I'm gonna start amplifying those
voices from Palestine, those ones that's made music because I've
seen it. I'm like, I want to put this on
the radio. I just didn't know, you know what. And
I don't care about how the backlash. I don't care
about backlash because right now, the possible backlash is that
that Palestine fiasco goes all over the world like they've
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been trying to do, and we need to be able
to stop it where it's at right now with Palestine
before it stretches everywhere. So you're definitely right, and definitely
got to get into the fact of putting those voices
out there so that they can be heard. So with
that they say it, uh and you wi your I'm sorry.
Giving your international reach, how would you use your platform
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to advocate for these suffering under oppressive regimes and supports
called for freedom and dignity.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well, you know, I'm doing interviews as we're doing right now,
is one of the methods that I've been utilizing. Also
speaking about the hardships that that people have been going
through within my music, I'm using the same approach as
Bob Miley. Did you know, when the music hits them,
feel no pain. So I'm going to use the music
to let them down. That's going to be the plan
right there as well. I'm not a man of war,
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and so it's not to wage war against any side,
whether I believe they're right or they're wrong. But it's
more to create unity and to bring togetherness and to
bring healing, because I feel that in the world there's
already enough war. I mean, you're talking about Ukraine, this Palestine, Congo,
so many, so many wars and so many brutal things
(32:29):
happening throughout the world. So we should approach things more
with an open heart. With the message of love, with
the message of dealing, the message of unity, and try
and change this message of war. You know, when people
look for look at look for a division for long
enough within each other, you're gonna find it. You're going
to find a way to stand against each other. So
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now we have to start looking for ways to stand
together with each other. And we're going to find ways
and we must stand together.
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Speaker 2 (33:25):
I'm glad you said and you said it with peace.
You said it with peace. That brings two situations to
my mind. That's the first situation is when Bob Marley
brun those two politicians together in order to bring some
kind of unity to Jamaica. That right there alone, he
did that peacefully. He did that with music during the
time when people were getting killed executed in everything he
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was able to bring and not a sudden stop, but
he was able to start that stop by bringing those
two politicians together peacefully. The second time that the second
incident that that brains to my mind is when Moses
led the Israelites side of Egypt. Never once did Moses
did do anything violent. He went to Pharaoh peacefully. Pharaoh
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was the violent one. Moses went through him again peacefully.
Pharaoh was violent. God was like, you're not going to
keep and God did it where it didn't harm people
until the very end. Locuses, frogs, stuff like that, mosquitos
and stuff like that. You didn't pretty much, you wasn't
dying from and you was very uncomfortable. God made you
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very uncomfortable. So that goes to show you right that
there's very peaceful ways to bring it into violence. And
I'm glad you said that because when you were saying
that those two populatives that's why I didn't even have
those plans. So your message is very very clear on that.
And with that being said, what main message do you
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want the world here today when it comes to the political, economic,
to the whole atmosphere of the world that we liveing
in right now? What do you have to say to them?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Well, you know, my my my first thing, and the
first it would be a question is when is enough enough?
You know, when is enough enough? When is it enough war?
When do you have enough money? When do you have
enough land? When have you got enough oil?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
When is enough enough? Have you have you? Have you
not taken enough? Is there's still more that needs to
be taken?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Because I feel that whenever's things have been taken, too
many people have lost lives, too many people have lost
ways of living and providing for their family.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
So we have to decide when is enough enough? And
we have to stand together as humans on this earth.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
There's so many divisions within us and especially in Africa
that the afrophobia is quite a big issue. And for me,
it's it's it's quite a surprising issue because it's respecting
and fighting for borders that were not placed here by us,
not divide this land. We did not make South Africa
South Africa. But so why now we didn't place all
that order? We all live together as one, peaceful in harmony.
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It's as if going to the United States and putting
borders between all of the states and New York WANs
to go to war with New Jersey because it's New Jersey.
It doesn't make sense. So we have to find love
for each other. We have to realize that we all
have to live on this earth together. And the sooner
that we can find a peaceful way to live on
this earth together, a way that brings benefits to each other,
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not taking from each other but actually giving to each other,
then we will find a better way for us all
to co exist in this world.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yes, sir, we definitely will. Man. And it's always good
hearing it from an artist with your caliber, because.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
You know you got.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I love Cardi B as a person, love as a person,
but when she started talking about politics, it was like,
I'm we need to stop. But hearing it from you
after listening to your music, it's so it's based in concrete. Fact,
it's based in concrete. Uh, not just wild emotion, but
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focused emotion, focus emotion, focused planning, focus, aiming. And I
just want to say, man, that's why I continue to
do these interviews with you. Your content is so uplifting
after doing years of gangster wrapping in such destructive music,
it is so refreshing, it's so upbuilding, I feel I
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feel like I'm being reconstructed listening to your music talking
to you on these interviews, and it's so it's i'm
I'm a lost words, I'm I keep going over knows
a lot to me myself.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I enjoy doing interviews with you because it's more than
an interview.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
We're having a brilliant.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Conversation, conversations that need to be heard, something that's given
more to people than just music. We're speaking about things
that affect all of us. And so I really enjoy
doing interviews with you, and not only doing interviews with you,
but even just going and reviewing the other interviews you've
done with many other people, because you've always got something important,
something special to say.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
And I implore everyone that's watching this gets.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
To hear this, that they should go and go through
the archives and just see all of the stuff that
you got because you can do a whole lot of
learning from there as well. So I want to say
thank you to you for creating a platform that's giving
back to everyone, not only to me. I don't need
to reggae music not only to musicians, but to the
world because what you're doing now is a global thing.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I want to say thank you for that I needed
then and I received that because of what I needed
is But yes, it is wonderful every time to get
on here. And do you want to can you please
drop us some of knowledge right before we leave out
of here and just drop us some of anything, bits
of knowledge that just comes to your here.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Well, you know, like I look, when I always leave
an interview, I always like to leave a little bit
of motivation for the young people out there. And it's
always the same little bit of motivation and is to say,
this life that we live in, it's not a sprint.
It's a marathon, marathon. You need stamina, it's not a
quick race. And with that also comes your resilience. Do
(39:11):
not give up. You cannot win a race you stop halfway.
Keep on pushing forward. And at the best of times,
you may be running alone. You may be in the
fog and you can't see anybody around you, and you're
wondering what am I doing here? You just have to
keep your head down. You just have to keep pushing forward.
Those are the times that that I'm meant to test you.
It wants to take you out of the race. Do
(39:32):
not leave the race, because the finish line could be
right around the corner.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
You don't know. Just keep on pushing forward.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
And secondly, if you're sitting at home and you're wondering.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
What should I do, I've got this idea.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I want to maybe work on AI or I want
to start writing music. Whatever you want to do, I
employ you to start doing it today.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Look around you.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
If you want to get onto the AI, use your
cell phone, use the internet, use whatever you can to
educate yourself.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
If you want to.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Start writing music, pick up your pen, your paper, start
writing to music if you don't have production rights on
other people's music, just so you can get a feel
for writing. Start doing whatever you need to do for
whatever you want to do now, so that when the
opportunity comes for you to do it for real, you're
so prepared you.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Conquer the mountain without trying.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, sir, that's what I'm talking about. That is edification
right there. Y'all need to take them words, ingest them,
and then regurgitate it back onto the world. I love it.
Is there anybody you want to give a shout out to?
Any news that you want to give us.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
So quick shout out rough Cut Studio in Adie building
right over here, big up themselves. The whole management team
behind me, shout out to you, the whole production team
that worked with me on the album.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I want to give them also a big shout out.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
But I honor and a privilege to work with such
talented individuals. It was a blessing, humbled and honored. Shout
out to Tough govern International Content, Connect Africa, my publishers,
Gallow Music Man. Shout out to to everybody who's helped
to make this journey possible. All of the people that
have supported me along these ways, all of the communities
(41:08):
that have supported me. I want to say thank you
to you, because it's without you where would I be.
I wouldn't exist. So thank you to all the communities
that stood behind me. And of course thank you to
you again for the platform and always being willing to share,
happy and willing to share the platform with me. I'm
really appreciative of that. There's not many people with such
a beautiful heart, so thank you as well, and also
(41:30):
shout out with shout out MISSISSII. I don't want to
forget she's also got that beautiful heart.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I definitely make your affairs alone too. And then
you have a family ye ah. Deep dive into the
mind and mission of Don Da a true voice for
the people, whether these address and the struggles at home
in South Africa, or shining a light on global injustices,
or lifting us with this music. His words remind us
that we all have a role to play in shaping
a more just and until five world. Through the rhythms
(42:01):
of reggae and power of hip hop, Don Data inspires
us to rise up, give thanks for our blessings and
cherish our memories. Thank you Don Dalla for sharing your time,
your vision, and your heart with us today. To all
our listeners, don't forget to stream the Heart and the Mind,
available now on all major platforms, and join the movement.
This isn't just music, It's a call to action. Until
(42:24):
next time, stay tuned to Boss Radio for more powerful
voices and then stopping fives, keep fighting.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Loving people, living for it better thanm all and y'all,
he said, blessing. Yes, I want.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
To tell you during this festive season, everybody.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Travels, drive safe, man.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
I know, I know a lot of pictureness is going
on on these roads, so be safe and enjoy.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
Haunch you Love.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
Nineteen eighteen July Transguiser the King, All hail the Chief Chief.
Wait to jip from his sleep and sleep with black
put Vanella ducky D's on the daily.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
It was the early sixties we read on
Speaker 7 (43:13):
Fighter broadby the levee of a broken system
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