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Friends.
Isn't it fascinating howrelationships bring us immense joy
but also profound heartache?
There are dance of emotionsyet how often do we truly, deeply,
consciously invest in therelationship we have with ourselves
and loved ones?
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That investment, that time andthat energy is the most powerful
gift in you could ever bestowupon yourself and those you love.
As life didn't give us amanual on handling emotions and communication
challenges, we also weren'ttaught the art of building romantic
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ties or how to deeply love andvalue ourselves.
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Here's for growth, love andendless learning.
Hi and welcome.
I'm Nicola Beer and today I'mgoing to be exploring the dangers
of creating a parent childdynamic in relationships after an
affair.
When infidelity occurs in amarriage or partnership, it's natural
for the betrayed partner toseek measures to restore a sense
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of safety.
In many cases, these measuresinclude monitoring the cheetah's
actions, where they are, whothey're with, their social media
interactions, and evenrestricting their movements.
While these behaviors mightseem like reasonable trust building
steps in the immediateaftermath of an affair, they can
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quickly evolve into a damagingparent child dynamic where one partner
assumes a parental role andthe other is reduced to the child
who must report, seek approvaland adhere to new rules.
This dynamic can have seriousrepercussions, eroding the very foundation
of intimacy, equality, passionin a relationship.
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So in this episode we're goingto explore how a parent child dynamic
can develop, why it'sdetrimental to long term relationship
health, and offer suggestionsfor alternative approaches to to
rebuilding trust after an affair.
And from this my hope is that.
You will be able to see howthese anxiety driven measures should
be approached with caution.
In the end, while some ofcourse initial trust rebuilding steps
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can be helpful to help calmanxiety and to help feel that you're
safe.
They should really betemporary, with the ultimate goal
being self trust and open,honest communication between partners
and a strong connection whereyou can feel that you can trust them
when you know inside you cantrust them and you feel at peace.
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A parent child dynamic ariseswhen one partner takes on an authoritative
or supervisory role while theother adopts a more submissive, monitored
stance.
In the context of a fair recovery.
This often means the betrayedpartner becomes the parent, setting
boundaries and requiringtransparency, while the unfaithful
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partner becomes the childcomplying with These restrictions
to prove their trustworthiness.
Some common behaviors thatcreate this dynamic after an affair
Monitoring emails, texts andsocial media.
The cheater may be asked toshare passwords or give full access
to their electronic communications.
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Restricting movements thebetrayed partner may set limits on
where the cheater can go, whomthey can see and for how long.
Constant check ins.
The cheater may be required toprovide frequent updates on their
location, schedule and interactions.
Imposing rules the betrayedpartner might establish strict guidelines
on what the cheater can andcannot do.
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Almost like a list of houserules for a child.
Making decisions onfriendships, relationships and activities
that a cheater can do thatseems authoritative like in a parent
child dynamic.
Controlling finances andfinancial autonomy is also sometimes
implemented which can create apower imbalance.
Initially, these behaviors mayseem comforting to the betrayed partner,
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offering reassurance and asense of control during a time of
intense insecurity andemotional pain.
However, if these behaviourscontinue indefinitely, they can often
lead to a loss of equality,passion and autonomy in the relationship,
impacting both partners negatively.
At first glance, the parentchild dynamic may seem like a necessary
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phase in rebuilding trustafter an affair.
However, I've seen thedamaging effect they can have and
research in the relationshipfield supports this.
Therefore, I warn againstallowing a parent child dynamic to
persist long term.
Ideally, if you can agree onmeasures that don't conflict with
a person's sense of self ortheir autonomy, it's going to really
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help the relationship.
So let's look at why theparent child dynamic is harmful in
the long run.
1 It's the erosion of equality.
Healthy relationships thriveon mutual respect, autonomy and equality.
When one partner adopts aparental role, they essentially have
authority over the other,leading to an imbalance in power.
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This shift can fosterresentment in both partners.
The betrayed partner mightstart to feel like a warden responsible
for controlling theirpartner's behavior.
Meanwhile, the unfaithfulpartner may feel infantised, unable
to make decisionsindependently without oversight.
And this inequality can breedfrustration, resistance.
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It can lead to feelings ofinadequacy, defensiveness and even
a rebellion in the long term.
Another way it affects it is aloss of passion and polarity.
In relationships, attractionand intimacy often come from a sense
of polarity, the oppositesbalancing each other.
One in a masculine energy, onein a feminine energy.
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The balance of the masculineand feminine energies is really important
and the give and take.
Also in a relationship of twoindependent individuals who choose
to come together.
When one partner adopts therole of.
A parent and the other a role.
Of a child, this polarity isLost and the passion dissipates.
Romantic relationships requirethat balance of respect, autonomy,
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and the desire to maintain intimacy.
When the unfaithful partnerfeels like a child under surveillance,
it can diminish their sense ofagency, which can profoundly be detrimental
to maintaining thatpassionate, intimate, close connection.
Frustration towards each otherand the situation can also create
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a divide in the intimacybecause ultimately also the person
who has been betrayed andmaybe implementing these measures
also gets frustrated becausethey feel like, why do I have to
do this?
I don't want to be a personthat has to check up on you.
I don't want to ask you whereyou're going and who you're going
with.
Or what time you're going to be.
Back, or I don't want to bechecking your social media.
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And so they can be drawn tothis because it helps calm their
anxiety, but also be reallyfrustrated for being put in that
situation and for thinking.
About it all the time.
And also, the more you dothese kind of checking up measures,
the more you focus on theaffair, the betrayal, the past, the
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negativity, what's gone wrongrather than enjoying the present
and creating a reallypowerful, happy future.
Another reason that the parentchild dynamic can cause problems
is because it underminesauthentic trust.
Monitoring behaviors create anillusion of trust rather than true
trust.
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True trust is built throughgenuine change, open communication,
and consistent behavior overtime, consistently showing your partner
that you're more open in yourcommunication, that when you say
you're going to do something,you do it, that you're reliable,
that you're caring, thatyou're showing love, that you're
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connecting.
These are all important trustrebuilding actions.
And they happen over a period of.
Time where the trust grows andgrows and grows.
I imagine trust rebuildinglike a dimmer switch where you slowly
turn up the light.
It's a slowly consistent process.
It doesn't happen by justflicking a switch and saying, right,
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I'm going to trust you now, asmany of you that have been cheated
on or have been a cheater andyou're repairing your relationship
already know.
So the important point I'mtrying to make is that it's consistent,
loving actions of safety,security and connection, not constant
surveillance, that bringsgenuine trust.
If the unfaithful partnerfeels forced to comply with parental
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restrictions, they may not betruly invested in regaining trust.
They may act out of obligationrather than commitment to change,
which weakens the foundationof trust in the relationship.
Real trust, on the other hand,requires both partners to feel free
to express themselves honestlywithout fear of punishment or Control.
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The negative impact onmasculine and feminine dynamics I
mentioned earlier really alsoneeds to be understood because there
exists a natural flow ofmasculine and feminine energy that
contributes to attraction,desire and passion.
When a parent child dynamic isintroduced, it disrupts this flow
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as the child role can feelemasculated and disempowered.
Couples who previously hadgood chemistry can lose that with
the dynamic.
And for those who valuetraditional masculine feminine roles
and differences, this dynamiccan feel unnatural, weakening the
roles each partner typically embodies.
Over time, this shift canerode the respect and admiration
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for each partner and theromantic connection can be lost,
impacting the long termstability for the relationship.
Many couples also experience adiminished respect for one another.
The betrayed partner whoadopts a parental role may feel initially
empowered by their sense of control.
But over time this role canlead to self respect issues.
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They may start to feel morelike a supervisor than a partner,
responsible for keeping theirpartner in line.
And this role can feelburdensome, especially if the betrayed
partner feels that their trustrebuilding efforts are not reciprocated
by genuine change.
They may feel angry that theyhave to keep reminding and keep checking
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and like their old self islost because they're in this sort
of nagging and checking andfocusing on all this negativity and
focusing on the pain of what'shappened again and again.
And meanwhile, the cheetah mayexperience a decline in self respect
as they comply with theseincreasingly invasive restrictions,
leading to a loss of selfesteem and identity within the relationship.
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And it also can keep them inguilt and shame because a lot of
people that have cheated dofeel a lot of remorse, do feel very
guilty for the hurt thatthey've caused, and these kind of
measures remind them of whatthey've done regularly.
And it can really damage asense of self.
The whole idea behind therestrictions or monitoring is often
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to create safety for the betrayed.
But actually these actionsdraw attention consistently to the
past, draws attention to whatis unsafe and what has happened,
and this can keep the couple stuck.
Damien I worked with, whosewife cheated on him, asked for all
her passwords and beganchecking emails, texts and social
media messages regularly.
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While it proved to help himinitially and it provided that initial
reassurance, it quickly turnedinto a pattern of dependency for
Damien as he relieved hisanxiety when he checked it.
But this was not a positiveway to manage his anxiety.
He felt stressed that he hadto check when he was busy with his
own work and duties.
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It also enhanced his thoughtsof the affairs and his wife, although
happy to give access, feltpoliced and isolated.
She felt that she couldn'texpress her feelings to her friends
or family in case it was read.
So she started drifting into amild depression, scared to say anything
to anyone about her normal dayto day life in case it was misunderstood
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or misinterpreted or hurt.
Damien with all the monitoringshe felt like she couldn't be herself.
She also felt like the labelof being a bad person wouldn't go
away.
She constantly felt awfulabout herself and it made her self
esteem lower.
When they embarked on theaffair recovery program with me,
they wanted to learn ways tocreate safety, trust and closeness
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in a different way.
To do that, I advised themthat we need to focus on the present
and future, the here and nowand develop more self awareness and
open deeper communication tocreate a new foundation and a new
way for their relationship.
They were both excited aboutthat and in their journey they learned
more about their traumas,their negative beliefs and fears
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so they could support eachother and help lift each other's
self esteem and self identity.
They both felt that therestrictive actions led to a loss
in their identity and how theysaw themselves, which was not positive
for them.
Becky I supported found thatthe limiting her husband's interactions
and requesting daily check insonly created more fights in what
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was an already fragile time.
Becky thought that if herhusband gave up his single friends
or friends that had gone toprostitutes or massage parlors that
she would feel safer.
But forbidding him from socialsettings, keeping him from being
in touch with his friends, ledto her husband to feel imprisoned
and isolated.
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He argued that he cheatedbecause of his own problems and that
it was not linked to them.
It was linked to his owninsecurities, his porn usage and
drinking that led to hischeating behaviour.
Nothing to do with outside influence.
He felt torn between wantingto keep Becky happy and not wanting
to lose his friends.
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It all came to a head whenwhen he had his brother stag do,
Becky didn't want him to go,calling him insensitive for even
daring to ask her.
When we worked together Ihelped Becky realise that the real
work that was to be done intheir relationship was for her husband
to explore his deeper reasonsfor cheating.
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The reasons that led him to goto massage parlours and sleep with
prostitutes.
What he was feeling aroundhimself and his self worth because
he'd mentioned that a lot ofit was triggered by his insecurities
and looking at the emotionsbehind the triggers and the past
events and his beliefs aroundhimself that if he did that that's
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what's going to really Helpher understand that she's safe if
he's got to the bottom of it,understood the root causes, has strategies
and tools in place to findhealthy ways of having self esteem,
healthy ways for excitement,healthy ways to manage anxiety and
low self worth.
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Plus of course needed isalways remorse and then working together
to make the relationshipstronger and closer.
Becky realized in workingtogether that she really didn't like
being this person.
She didn't recognize herself.
It wasn't serving her eitherto check his whereabouts and to worry
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about who he was with and whatthese other friends of his were doing.
Stopping this pattern andexploring with me more authentic
connection really helped herand their relationship massively.
They also decided that whilstthey were going to keep their friends
that they had that it would begood to see find friends that were
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supportive of the marriage andto make some new friends together.
Couple friends.
So they joined different courses.
One was a cooking course, onewas an online parenting course and
one was paddle tennis so thatthey can meet other couples and form
new healthy hobbies.
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They found that theircommunication really improved as
the defensifists in them both disappeared.
Creating a parent childdynamic may feel like an effective
short term strategy to manageinsecurity after an affair.
However, if maintained beyondthe initial recovery period, it can
lead to profound long termissues such as lingering resentment
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where both partners may feel resentment.
The betrayed partner forconstantly needing to monitor and
control.
And the unfaithful partner forfeeling confined and infantized.
Also the constant reminder canbring resentment.
Then there's the loss ofconnection and intimacy.
So true intimacy requires alevel of vulnerability inequality
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that a parent child demonic disrupts.
And over time this can lead toemotional and physical disconnection.
And then it can also result incycles of rebellion.
The unfaithful partner maystart to rebel against the restrictions,
creating a cycle of dishonestyand distrust.
And that can really cause alot of damage because in a way to
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exert a bit of power, a bit ofcontrol, hiding some small things,
telling some white liesbecause they want to rebel or they
feel resistance will really,really be a massive blow to the connection
and to the rebuilding efforts.
And then it can delayauthentic healing.
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When the focus is on controland monitoring, it's delaying the
genuine emotional work such asprocessing the betrayal, dealing
with the painful emotions,addressing the personal reasons and
insecurities that both have.
Often the cheater had theseinsecurities or this need for attention
and validation beforehandwhich led to them cheating.
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And then this is passed on tothe person that's been betrayed where
they Start to doubt themselvesand question themselves and question
their judgments and their decisions.
And so these insecurities needto be looked through, they need to
be explored and healed.
And also it can delay genuineworking together to rebuild the mutual
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respect and the loving actionsthat rebuild trust that I mentioned
earlier.
So here are some tips forrebuilding trust.
A healthier approach torebuilding trust long term after
an affair, you might want toconsider these strategies.
First, set clear boundariestogether instead of imposing rules.
Have an open discussion whereboth partners agree on reasonable
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temporary boundaries thatrespect each other's autonomy and
that also keep the personthat's been betrayed safe.
Make these boundaries timelimited and subject to regular review
so it's not set in stone thatokay, forever I'm going to check
your social media or this isthis, you know, make sure that whatever
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actions that you put in place,that you agree on them and that they
have a time limit if they'requite restrictive and of course if
there's boundaries that okayare non negotiable that of course
you, you make sure that theseare not time limited.
Focus on personal healing.
Each partner should work ontheir own emotional health.
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For the betrayed partner, thismay mean building self esteem, self
trust and emotional resiliencerather than placing responsibility
on the other person's behaviorto lessen their anxiety rather than
looking outside to feel goodcoming from the inside.
Now I've mentioned self trustquite a few times and let me just
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explain that there's no way tofully 100% trust that your partner
isn't going to cheat on you.
You can't even 100% guaranteethat you're not going to cheat on
them because no one knowswhat's going to happen in the future.
And I believe, having donethis work for so long, that given
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the right circumstances,painful, extreme circumstances, anybody
can make a mistake.
So what can give us peace?
Self trust where I trustmyself enough and I build up my self
worth and my self esteem whereI know that no matter what happens
to me, no matter how hurt Imight get or what circumstances and
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challenges life may throw atme, I trust myself that I will always
be okay.
And I trust myself that if Iget into extreme anxiety, depression,
if I'm devastated, if I'mclose to a breakdown, if I get into
a crisis, basically that Iwill do anything, everything I can
in my power to get myself outof it, whether that's going on a
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retreat and having help, goinginto therapy, intensively calling
on my friends and family,taking a break from work, investing
in my health in whatever waythat might look like I will do whatever
it takes to get myself out ofa dark situation if I fall in that.
So if I believe I can trustmyself, then I can trust others because
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I know that if I am hurt, I'mgoing to be okay.
And that's my philosophy andthat's what I really help people
to do in my individualbreakthrough process, to really get
to that point where they feelso strong and so good in themselves.
And it's continued work.
The breakthrough process helpsto clear the past, clear those negative
thoughts and beliefs that areholding people back, clearing the
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trauma and then settingactions consistently to keep growing
and building on your selfesteem and keep creating those new
neural pathways of self, love,strength, connection.
So what does self work looklike for the unfaithful partner?
It means addressing the rootcauses of their actions, understanding
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the emotional triggers, whereit comes from, what they're going
to do instead, if they havethose triggers, cultivating a strong
sense of self awareness andfinding replacements for whatever
the pattern of cheating wasgiving them, whether it was giving
them attention, validation, aphysical release, whether it gave
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them excitement.
There's so many differentthings that our unhealthy patterns
and habits can give us.
So we need to find healthyalternative replacements and demonstrating
a commitment to genuine change.
So for example, a lot of thepeople that I work with that cheat
on their partner, they don'toften express their emotions very
well, they avoidconfrontation, they tend to be people
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pleasers.
And so showing that you'regoing to work through that and change
that, that's really, really powerful.
So then there's thecommunication skills.
That's another thing that youcan both focus on focusing on open,
honest communication where youboth feel safe to express and you're
opening up regularly.
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It's not just something you donow and again, it's consistent, making
sure that you don't judge eachother and the your conversations
move forward.
Sometimes when couples getstuck in their communication, it's
because they're just goingover the past.
Or in the blame game, you didthis, you did that, you did this,
you did that.
Defensive, not listening tothe other person, playing the victim,
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like, oh, I can't believe thatyou're bringing this up at 9 o' clock
at night, or I can't believeyou're telling me this now when you
know that I've had a reallybad day, or you're always right and
I'm always wrong.
These defensiveness patternsof blame and playing the victim and
changing the subject createmore chaos.
And so really learning how tocommunicate and move forward, talk
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about difficult topics, findsolutions, and keep talking until
you can find positive, healthyways to interact in the future and
solutions for the future.
When you get yourcommunication right, then there's
going to be greater emotionalintimacy and it's going to reduce
the need for control based measures.
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Communication skills can helpyou alleviate those defensive patterns.
They encourage empathy,compassion, and this can really,
really help.
And if you haven't checked outmy empathy podcast, then I would
recommend you do so.
Because sometimes peoplereally struggle to show empathy and
that can be because of a lotof different reasons why people struggle
to show empathy.
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However, especially after anaffair, empathy is needed on both
sides.
Empathy and compassion.
This can help a couple growstronger and closer and then getting
the right support.
It's essential for you both towork through the trauma of the infidelity,
develop healthy copingmechanisms and address the underlying
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issues that led to the affair.
When I work with couples, Iwork with them both individually
and do their individual work.
And then we come together andwe do the communication and relationship
needs and relationshipstrengthening and rebuilding trust
actions.
Because no one saves theirrelationship or strengthens their
relationship by talking.
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It involves actions, itinvolves solutions, and it involves
that consistency that I mentioned.
And I find when I work withboth of the couple individually and
then together, I have that 360view of the relationship of all the
different dynamics at play.
The inner child of eachperson, the adult self of each person,
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the history and their ownindividual dynamics that then come
together.
And I find that this worksreally effective.
So find the right person.
And if you're finding, okay,you're with.
A different therapist and it'snot really.
Working, or you're not reallygetting anywhere, then consider changing.
Having the right fit, havingsomeone that.
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You resonate with is key.
And in fact, there's countlessstudies that show that there's not
one type best of therapy,there's not one fit size.
Fits all type of therapy forall people.
And where people get the bestresults is where they can connect
to the person, where they feelthat, okay, this person gets me,
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they understand me, and youknow, they have that good feeling,
that good energy, thisperson's right for me.
So find someone that's rightfor you and keep changing until you
find that person.
If monitoring measures arenecessary, then I would try and limit
them to a maximum of six months.
Now why are they necessary?
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Well, often when I help people at.
The beginning, when they cometo me, they're having panic attacks,
the anxiety is through theroof, they can't self regulate they
can't calm themselves.
And that's what we work onwhen we work together.
Being able to emotionallyregulate themselves and calm themselves
and be their own loving reassurance.
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And that that can, is a skill.
That a person needs to learn and.
It can take a little bit oftime due to the devastating blow
that being cheated on can have.
So of course if it's, ifyou're in heightened panic and you're
having anxiety attacks oryou're not able to focus or you can't
function, then you know youneed to perhaps have some controlling
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cautionary measures.
But long term you want to tryand avoid this because then you might
get into a cycle where youneed it and then that's not healthy
for you or for the relationship.
I would say that during thetime of six months and work actively
on restoring the true trust,don't just only have these kind of
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checking measures as a trustso that by the end of the initial,
let's say six month period thefocus can shift back to open and
honest communication, deeperconnection building because you've
already got that foundation ofconnection and trust there.
Whilst checking messages andrequiring regular updates can provide
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that temporary reassurance, ofcourse it's not true safety.
So really making sure that youfocus on that because if someone
truly wants to cheat again,then these measures are unlikely
to stop them anyway.
A more sustainable approach totrust and emotional security comes
from working on yourself,building self trust, emotional resilience
and confidence that no matterwhat is going to happen in the future,
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I am going to thrive.
And this shift allows you toapproach the relationship from a
place of empowerment ratherthan fear, where you're choosing
love over fear.
So instead of relying onmonitoring, focus on fostering also
your intuition and maintainingopen conversations about how you're
feeling.
If you're feeling uneasy,address it directly with your partner
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and see what solutions theyhave without telling them what they
have to do.
This is far more powerfulbecause they might say, well, would
it help if I did this?
Would it help if I did that?
And then you're not asking,you're not forcing your letting them
come up with the solutions andthen it feels more organic and it
feels more natural and itfeels more right.
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So I would recommend sharingwhen you're really struggling and
then seeing how your partneris willing to support you.
This creates a more balanced,passionate and trusting relationship
moving forward.
Of course, rebuilding trustafter an affair.
Is challenging and there is noway to avoid triggers.
Triggers will happen.
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Do not spend your time tryingto avoid triggers.
I have got another episodewhich I've created on that.
So check that out.
Because sometimes couples getstuck because they're just trying
to avoid all the triggers.
And this can come into theseactions that I mentioned, sort of
restricting movements,restricting friends, restricting
different things.
Focusing on the triggers won'tsupport you long term.
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If we take the analogy of agun, a loaded gun, the trigger is
a tiny, small part of a gun.
The real weapon, the realpower is in the whole of the loaded
gun, the ammunition, the barrel.
So triggers are the surface.
Underneath is all of thosefears, all of those heavy emotions,
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those negative thoughts, thosedeep seated beliefs that the affair
brings up.
And the trigger is that small part.
So do that deeper work andfind your peace.
Because we deserve to feelsafe and secure in life.
We deserve to feel safe andsecure in our relationships.
And by avoiding the pitfallsof a parent child dynamic, you can
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create a foundation ofequality, respect, genuine intimacy,
restoring not just therelationship but your own sense of
personal empowerment andemotional security.
I hope you've enjoyed this today.
If you have, I'd be sograteful for a rating or a view.
You can do that on Spotify, onYouTube and Apple Podcasts.
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Affair Recovery Masterclasswhich have tools for creating calmness,
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also directions on where to goand begin your personal work after
discovering an affair.
So from my heart to yours,thank you so much for listening.
Wishing you a positive week ahead.
Wherever you may be in yourjourney, take amazing care of yourself
and each other.
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