S8 E19 - Real Treasure Hunting with Mike and Kristy from Cowlazars LIVE on Relics Radio - Relics Radio show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, and well, welcome to another Wednesday here at
Relics Radio. Good to see everyone rolling in the chat
having a great time here tonight, already with our guests
before we went on the air. But yeah, I love
to bring another Relicts Radio welcome, remember bringing my co host? Hey, Tony,

(00:21):
how are you doing good?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing good?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Good, Happy Wednesday, another Reach Radio nights.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Right, we were before the show, we were talking about
all kinds of audio issues we may have and stuff
going on. That's why we usually get together fifteen minutes early,
is to handle any audio issues and stuff. And I
had my input microphone changing my soundboard. So are you
still hearing an echo from me? Or no?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You so much better now?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
So if our co hosts or if our guests are listening,
is probably all me, because what do we always say
on the show, we are professionals. It's already going off

(01:11):
the rails. We haven't even started yet.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I know what, how's your week?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Man? How's your week?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Busy?

Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know I'm selling my house by the new House.
I'm real busy with that. But we're getting ready for this.
We got two weeks and we've got a huge event
coming to Colorado. So I'm getting anxious for that for sure,
because we've got some people coming in town, Listeners that
followed the podcast and things like that, coming into visit
with us, going metal detecting with us over at Rush

(01:40):
of the Rockies. Tell everybody a little bit about what
Rush of the Rockies is.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Sure. Rush the Rockies is our national open metal detecting
event put on by the Eureka Treasure Hunters Club right
here in Colorado. Tell you what we put on a
seated hunt. This is one of the nation's best well
run hunts. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
It's the twenty fifth, twenty fifth hunt like this we
put on. It's out in beautiful Kiowa, Colorado, and we're
expecting people from all over the country to come. And
we're gonna have three hunts on Saturday and two hunts
on Sunday, plus a free kids hunt. We've got all
kinds of great manufacturers out there, including our main manufacturer
knocked out. We've got Garrett showing up in a really

(02:20):
big way. Mine Lab always supportive and as a matter
of fact, Mine Lab is showing up with their Masters
the Metal competition somebody, you know, people might not know
about that Tony, Why don't you talk about that for
a second.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, master's a medal, It's it's a competition between teams.
It's a team competition that MindLab puts on four different events.
You have to have a team of four with three detectorists,
one alternate, and this guy right here, he's on my
team this year. So we're definitely gonna win four different events.

(02:53):
Different things like they're timed hunts. You've got gold panning,
you've got target identification, you've got UH one. We have
to find certain tokens and then they total up all
your points and the winner gets how much money?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Twenty five hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Twenty five hundred dollars to win a metal techting event?
Who else does something like that?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
My lab does?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I tell you that?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
What about second place?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Second place?

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I think is you get a pat on the back
and then a nice check for fifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
There you go, second place and thirty visit in the money?
Right thirds in the money yep, one k one thousand bucks. Yeah.
The fifty dollars team entry fee I know for a
person per team, right.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yep, fifty bucks to uh to enter as a team,
and you get a T shirt, you get a I
think you get a medal as well. And it's just
me a really good fun competition. I know you and
I real competitive, but very graceful to each other. But
when we go metal techting together, but you know it's
going to be, you know, a team event, who can
who can do things the fastest and identify things I

(04:04):
mean goal panning. It's just kind of a well rounded competition.
And I'm really anxious. We've got Cindy in the chat
as well. If you guys are listen to us live,
Cindy is also she's a third member of our team,
so we're ready. I'm anxious to get started with that
on Friday, I think is when that kicks off, and

(04:24):
then we got rushed to the Rockies Saturday Sunday. It's
gonna be a pretty busy weekend.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I know. I took some time off work and behind
it so that you know, because we get to the
end of that weekend, we're exhausted and then we got
to go back to work. I'm like, yeah, gooday, off
to recuperate. Yeah, lots of people coming in and can't
see those of you that are coming in to join
us at rush to the rockies and some of them
you're coming in to do the mashes of Metal. It's

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gonna be a great weekend. So who's all in the chat?
And then we'll get to our guests because we're gonna
treasure hunts. We've got a lot of people in chat.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
We'll touch on a couple, but we want to get
our guests in here pretty soon as well. We got
Bill Hayes is always in first. He was in before
we even started.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Bill. Welcome in Bill. Uh.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
He found some really good stuff this past week. He
sent sent us some messages. So how about ski searcher. Yeah,
hop a ski and drink it down.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Mark the senile detectorist joining us.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Way here almost every week. I don't know how senile
he possibly could be.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
He's got to saved us favorites or something like that,
you brush propper detecting. Now we start getting to some
new people joining us for the first time. I don't
think i've seen Tyler. Uh, hang on a little bit
before you go to bed, Tyler. We got some good
people coming in here. You're gonna have a good time tonight.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
How about four loaves?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Four loaves? Good to see you welcome, Welcome, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Morgan clap. How much drama this round?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Oh just hold If we don't have enough, I'll stir
them up, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
We know drama. Come on. How about finding dB Cooper?

Speaker 3 (06:06):
That is a cool cool Oh my god, that's a
great name and an awesome story. I've been watching so
many documentaries about d. B.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Cooper.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh my gosh, A lot a good time, a lot
of good times there. Cindy, want to say hi to Cindy.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
How about Diana?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
W Diana?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
We got this guy, the key Day Kid as well.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Look at that Casey. Good to see you, buddy. You know,
c was just Mike was just in Colorado and he
messaged me, you seem like you get out. I just
couldn't get out. He was down the spring. So sorry
about that, Mike. Next time, I'm hoping I might come
your way sometime soon.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
There you go, There you go.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
We got a whole mess of people already, have sixty
two people live with us tonight.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
How about that. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
It's up, David. Good to see you. Yeah, welcome everyone,
Welcome to Relics Radio. So some of you might be
joining us for the first time. We're kind of crossing
over some audiences here, right, Yeah, So Tony and I
our metal detectors, treasure hunters, relic hunters. We usually go
out and find treasure treasure with our metal detectors, gold, silver, jewelry,
relics of the past, civil war artifacts, military artifacts, and

(07:13):
that's the kind of treasure we go after. But we're
also into a lot of the arm chair treasure hunts,
various treasure hunts. I was a fend searcher. I'm also
on Justin Posey's Treasure Hunt already have a solved looking
put boots on the ground, so all that kind of stuff.
So you thought it'd be fun to have Mike and

(07:33):
Christia over tonight, So why don't we bring them in
and we'll get right to this Shenanigans here.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
All right, let's kick it off. Good morning, Hey guys, Hey, welcome,
good to be here.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Thanks for giving up some of your time to come
talk to us over here on Relics Radio.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah. I know, it's been a long time coming, so
glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, oh, appreciate it. We were. I was just talking
before we brought you on about crossing over our audiences,
you know, I know, you guys have had I call
you the pre eminent kind of source for all things
treasure hunts. You know what I mean. You guys have
been involved with it for so long, and your your
YouTube channel is just the place to go to get together.

(08:22):
I'm gonna we're gonna talk about your discord server later.
But so for those of our audience that are listening
in in our audio podcast that we post tomorrow or
live stream video tonight, go on over and check out
Kalasar's YouTube channel and check out all the live streams
they do over there. They're always live, They're always great.
But how did you guys get started in these treasure hunts?

(08:45):
Like Michael? Well, Mike, first, where did Kalasars come from?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So? Calasars is kind of a backstory there. I live
in Las Vegas, Nevada, and when I moved out here,
you know, I was kind of into the whole UFO area.
Fifty one thing. Bob was a have you heard of
Bobblezar in his story and the logo you right, and
the logo for the YouTube channel is a cow being
picked up by a UFO. So I just kind of
put Bobblezar in the whole cow together for really colos

(09:13):
ours really because it's a unique name. I had to
come up with something that was unique for YouTube and
everything else, right, So it just worked out. And so
then the channel kind of changed from a conspiracy theory channel,
which is what a kind of the original plan was,
got into treasure hunting.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Excellent, how about you, Christy? Kind of what gravitated you
towards all these treasure hunts?

Speaker 5 (09:33):
Well, I was not the outdoors type. And my brother
was a gold panner finder in Alaska and lived in
Colorado and got into this Forest Fen hunt. And he
called me and I'm in the office, hadn't heard from
him in a while, and he said, you need to
go to Yellowstone with me. And I said, I'm sorry
what And he said, yeah, I'm going to go pick

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up a couple.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Million in gold in a box.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
And I said, have you lot? Like he doesn't drink
or do drugs. I'm like, are you okay? And he goes, yeah,
you need a google Forest Fen. And I googled Forest
Fenn and I thought, who's this guy? He didn't put
this out here? So I emailed Forrest long story short
forest and I became friends my brother and I went out,
didn't find it. He moved on to other adventures, and
then I met people like my I met Mike and

(10:19):
Forest Fence Den and now we're married, so it's better.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Wow, there you go, true story.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Wow, So you did you do? You a phone treasure?
From the forest friends story?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Right? Come on, it is true. We won as far
as I'm concerned. That's good one, good one.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
And how did you become aware of the fen treasure?
Am I? Or were you into some of these other
sort of secret and all this other stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah? I got into treasure hunting. So I moved into
here to Vegas in two thousand and seven, and in
two thousand and eight there was a local treasure hunt
called Vegas Die. And that's really how I got into it.
I had heard about treasure hunts. I had David Blaine's
Mysterious Stranger, which was a treasure hunt in the early
two thousands. Didn't really work on it wasn't really trying
to solve it, but read it thought it was an
interesting idea. But when I moved here to Vegas, there

(11:05):
was an author that came out with a twenty five
thousand dollars treasure hunt that was somewhere here in Vegas.
So because it's a hunt going on in the city
where I lived, I thought, well, that's interesting. I was
single back then, you know, I thought I could find this,
this will be easy. But I did befriend the author.
I got to know him. We used to do meetups
every month for all the searchers and it became a
lot of fun. And I didn't have the YouTube channel

(11:25):
back then. I wish I would have actually, but got
into treasure hunting through that treasure hunt. And when that
one ended after three years with no winner. By the way,
then I found out about to throw the chase and
I got involved in that one.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, well gotta tell you what. I actually found it,
and he just swore me to secrecy.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Well that.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
After it's over, the guy tells me that I was
the closest out of everybody I worked at a shift.
I get out of work at one am, and I
thought I was sitting out in front of the public library,
and I'm like, how could he have hit it in
the library. It was a bookmark in the library. So
I had the right idea. If I would have known now,
if I would have would have known now, what I

(12:09):
know my treasure hunting, I would have found it without
a problem, but I was brand new back then, and
I'm like, how could he put it in a bookmark?
Never occurred to me. So I had the location, just
didn't actually find it.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh that's kind of hurt. That's gotta hurt.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, I was gonna ask, you know, I mean, like,
what is the attraction to these treasure hunts? What's drawn
you guys into this type of thing? And really kind
of I mean I know, I'm sure like us for
metal detecting, you know, history and all of a sudden
it just sucks us in. Like what's the attraction then,
for for treasure hunting?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Is that the is it? The problem solving?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Is it is the uh? You know, I could find
a million dollars? Like what really brings you guys into
this kind of kind of hobby?

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Okay, I'll go first.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Then I think there's two pieces to it. One is
I'm really into siduco and puzzles and critical thinking and
anything that I do like games wise, I don't play
video games, but I do do like mind games and
seduco and all of those kind of things every morning.
So trying to understand and learn, because I'm kind of

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that lifetime learner. A lot of these are poems or
something that's hidden in plain sight, and I want to
be the most clever one's That's the one piece to it.
And then the second piece is, you know, I'm sitting
there in my corporate job, sitting back going you know,
I'm doing my eight to five or even longer. And
when my brother's like, come be a treasure hunter, and
like Flora said to me, when are you gonna get

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out there.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
And start living? And it was like, I'm treasure hunter.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Like that's the that's like the cool part, Like I'm
a treasure hunter. Like there's something to that. And the
first time I went boots on the ground, it was
in Yellowstone, I could not I'm not an outdoorsy person.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
I trained, I got the backpacks and the polls.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
I probably look ridiculous, but I'm having such a good
time it doesn't matter. It's just a blast. And to
kind of have that little edge of I'm a treasure hunner.
Now what about you, Mike? That's my answer.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, the gold and the treasure is always there in
the back of your mind. How awesome it would you
find one of these to be able to retire, but
the chances are very slim that you're going to be
the one to find one. Right, You got thousands, if
not tens of thousands of people looking for these things.
So for me too, it's the puzzle aspect. It's, okay,
what is a clue? How did this person, this author
hide these clues in this puzzle in this book, and

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to be the person to figure it out, it's pretty fun.
And I like the social aspect now that once I
started a tube channel with the Forest fen Hunt, it
was a lot of fun to share those clues with
other people and say, what do you think? You know?
I found this and you find out that somebody else
found something else. Usually it's a rabbit hole, but it's
still fun to discuss it.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
And Okay, funny story I'm gonna tell on you Mike.
Mike's an introvert and back in the day he never
did lies and he had a little five minute coffee
thing and he was super popular, but very much an introvert.
So on my wedding day, when my brother shows up
for our wedding, he's like, you know, you're the only
person I ever emailed because I was I loved your videos,

(15:04):
and you never emailed me back, Mike.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I after he told me that I checked my emails,
I emailed him back, but he gave his phone number
and I never called. I didn't call anybody back then.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Which is crazy because he's so my brother, so private,
and so for him to do that is hilarious. So anyway,
Mike has come around. He likes the social stuff now.
See it brings new characteristics of oneself.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, you know, for Tony and I too, it was
very similar. It was similar, similar, but different, right, Like
we both got in the metal detecting separate, and like
for me, I always thought it was a very solo
then type of me and my metal detector out there
man looking for gold and silver and whatever I could find,
and it's gonna just be this hobby and good for

(15:47):
my health and everything. And then Tony and I met
each other kind of through some forums, kind of became
like digging partners and metal teching friends together. But then
we discovered the entire community surrounding this and it's the
same as like what you guys talk about. It becomes
more than yourself, you know what I mean, especially if
you're on social media, like you two are and all

(16:08):
this stuff. Yeah, Like, I've been a member of your
audience for quite a while, pretty silent, but pretty much
remembering it and looking and seeing and been like, you know, wow,
I've watched your audience grow and grow and grow, and
there's just like this. I know, there's a probably a
real core group, then there's people that are just on
the peripheral, and then there's people that just pop in

(16:30):
every now and then. Hasn't it been amazing for you
guys to discover this larger community.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Especially now that we have these million dollar hunts. People
are paying it forward from the thrill of the chase.
It's really exploded just in the last six months, I
would say, So it's been a lot of fun for
the new people that are like, we didn't even know
treasure hunts were a real thing, you know, and they're
just finding out about it for the first time. So
it really is a tribute to Forrest Van that we're
all still here, that his treasure hunt was really the

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big one that sparked it for many people, and it's
just been a lot of fun to be introduced to
all these new people.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
Well, and I remember when the first time we hit
one hundred in our chat room.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
I thought, wow, well, now.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
We have two, three, four hundred sometimes in our chat room.
And this explosion has been It was about three four
years of just trying to figure out for us. We
knew it was over but the ending of the hunt,
but we didn't have another big hunt. And now we
have two or three really quickly, and it's just made
this explosion and new people and older people or older

(17:32):
meaning people.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
That have been around a while.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
And I always say the new people have fresh ideas,
so I want to hear from them, but they're still
getting their feet wet to it. And again, some people messaging,
some people, some are on discord, some are on Facebook,
some are on YouTube. It really like these pockets of people.
Some overlap, but most of them don't. So it's pretty
fascinating to watch tangent discussions going on and what's kind

(17:55):
of a hotly debated topic one place may not be
in another.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, true. And you know I think the same
way like I think once the treasure was found and
things started, you know, the auction happened and all that,
I really thought, oh man, this is this might be
the end.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like you know, Yeah, where do you go from here?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
I mean, I know, you know, you know there's other
cool hunts going on, but nothing to that, to that
magnitude and man to see some of these other ones
come up. It's just kept it going and it's kept
the community kind of, you know, rabid as they sometimes
can be.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Right, little did we know what was going to happen
with the two big hunts that came out. It just exploded.
It was just crazy and me and Kpro were just
in a position to break the news as it came out.
I mean, we were the first one to actually say
that John Collins Black was going to do a treasure
on it kind of slipped out when he wasn't prepared,
but we figured it out. We have a lot of
people to give us information because they know we'll go live.

(18:52):
So yeah, it's just it's been a ball. It's been
a lot of fun. It just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
It does, so I can't imagine. But why why don't
you take this real quick? I need a sixty second
description of the forest fan hunt.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'll let Christy do that one ready, Okay, Art dealer.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
In Santa Fe, New Mexico, Bear or hid a treasure
out in the Rocky Mountains. It took ten years and
a man found it under mysterious circumstances. He wanted to
be anonymous. Many lawsuits came from it. Some people, five

(19:37):
years later are still hanging on with lawsuits. We do
know he sold that treasure his name was Jack Stuff
to Justin Posey, and Justin Posey is now has a
new hunt. There will always remain some mystery because of
a whole sequence of events, including Forrest passing away, so
the baton really couldn't be tossed to anyone that could

(19:58):
actually get closure for many searchers. But we believe it
was found at nine mile Hole, which came out during
some of the court proceedings in Yellowstone illegally, and that
was much of the reason why it was not disclosed.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
The good job, Christy, that was good. That's four years
of work, right man.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
And that three hundred thousand people were out there. Estimated
three hundred thousand people were out there looking for what
was found. It lasted ten years. It was a long time.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I started in twenty sixteen, did first boots on the
ground twenty seventeen.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Okay, got Chad, He's one of our loyal.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, good Tony shut that one out. That's pretty amazing, Chad,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Unbelievable. Yeah, he's a good contributor to our show. Good
good guy too. He's been boots on the ground a
bunch of times for Justin's treasure too.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah. Wow, cheers Chad, thank you, sir. So Yeah, so yeah,
twenty seventeen. First boots on the ground I did. I
did a bunch of s and I went up to uh,
up to Wyoming. I thought it was up a little
further north than the vicinity, but are yellow some but
came back just did Colorado. So when when all that

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ended up, all that ended up was on the auction,
I couldn't get anything right. I just wasn't able to do.
A good friend of mine here in Colorado did though,
So that's that's pretty cool. But then when these other,
these other hunts started coming out, right like, did you
guys put on a hunt? Didn't you guys?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
And that's the other aspect of it is, once you
become a treasure hunter, you start thinking about, well I
can do that. I got some ideas, so we actually
put out a book. There was a treasure here in
Las Vegas. We put one of the gold coins from
Forest Fence Treasure in it along with other items and
it lasted about six months, which is what we thought,
and uh, it was found and we're thinking about doing
a sequel. Now we're kicking that idea around, but yeah,

(21:56):
so it's it's once you become a designer, you kind
of get an eye idea of how things work because
there's that fine line of not impossible but not found
in a week. So you start thinking about a lot
of different things well.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
And treasure hunters are your friends, so you don't want
to say anything to them and give them a hint
like once you see it behind the shroud. We've done
a lot of online puzzle things and we called those
treasure hunts. But our first big one it was called
The Invitation, and we actually did a parody on the community.
All of the characters in it were people that we
knew from our chat rooms and things, so that was
fun because you know, we had names that like rhymed

(22:31):
with the actual names of the people, so we had
we had a good time with it, but it really
really showed how hard it is. Things that we thought were, oh,
that's going to be the hardest people solved on the
first day, and then some of the hardest, the easiest stuff.
We're like, why are they getting tripped up over that?
So it was amazing to well, and we had some
confirmers along the way, like a phone number or a

(22:54):
things that they had to hit. And no one can
keep a secret in this community. Like the first person
hit the phone number, within an hour, fifteen different callers
were on the phone.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Like, you gys keep no.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Everybody works in groups now, so that's kind of the
normous for people to share.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
So and you guys mentioned lawsuits. Tony knows a little
bit about something.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, miss miss Barbara Anderson, right.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
She Yeah, Tony was in her lawsuit, so we're familiar
with Barbara.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, you don't need to say.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I'm like, hey, yeah, Tony, make a look at this.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Crazy Yeah, YouTube might make it in our next book.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
You never know, Yeah, you never know.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
You guys are detectors in our next book. That's YouTube.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
There you go, there you go. Well it's not as easy, right,
it's not as easy as as people would think to
put on a hunt. And yeah, all this stuff like
I always thought, okay, like for Forrest, right, I always
thought and and and maybe justin also, I was always
thought like, okay, well Forrest always had this spot, did
he have the exact spot? Did he have a general area?
You know? But you got to have that spot, and

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then to create that poem, you really got to work
your way all the way.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Back, you know what I mean, you know, work it backwards.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Work it backwards kind of to create that poem and stuff.
And if you have to do that, that's not always easy,
you know what I mean, Like like did he always
have war warm Water's halt? Did he always have that?
Or did he work his way back and treate the
poem around all those features he was able to put together,
you know?

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, But I think the second big point is it
not only has to take you very nicely to one location,
it needs to rule out other locations. So and I
think that was the hardest part about Forest is there
was literally ten thousand warm more Water's halt, and five
thousand of them had a canyon, and you know, two

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thousand of them had something brown and.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Everywhere.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
So and and Randy from the Beacon Star, he's the
originator of the Beacon Star. He did a perfect video
that said a good hunt has to do two things.
Be clever to get there, but also exclude all other
things logically speaking, And I think Forrest didn't have that
second part. That made it pretty challenging, because I mean
I saw some songs that I thought were better than

(25:12):
for it because they were just so clever and there's
anagrams and ciphers and things, and they fit. But it
wasn't for us. But there would be no way to
do that. You could just have to wander ten thousand places.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, and that when you design one. Me and Christy disagree.
Do you figure out the location and the puzzle and
the clues first and then write the story or do
you write the story and then you figure out where
you want to hide it and figure out the clues.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Well, no, it doesn't depend there's one right way to
do it.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Oh, here we go.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
I see it, And there's been a lot of compromise
between Mike and I. How I see it is you
write the story that can always change, and then you
start writing the puzzles and back them in. And if
you have to change part of the story, great, but
you got to know what the story is. We're not
doing memoirs, we're doing an invented cool story, and Mike
thinks we need to do all the puzzles first, which

(26:07):
he's the puzzle guy.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I'm the story do the story around the puzzles. But
we make it work. We make it work.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
He's wrong, he admits it, and then we no.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Actually, he starts building the puzzle and I'm secretly writing
the story and then when he goes here it is
I'll go magic and then they're there and they married together.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Basically that's a that's a marriage right there.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
So that's cool though, man, I guess there's a few
different ways you can do it, you know, but it's
cool that you each like and have the strengths of
like Christy with the story type of thing. I think
that's that's a good combination.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think we compliment each other.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, really definitely. Yeah, I remember that there was like
I keep talking about fan right, but like the first
solve I did that put us boots on the ground.
It just was perfect. I showed it to my wife
and my step son and they were like, we have
to go right now. So we gave up Easter Sunday

(27:07):
with our family and told them all, we're gonna go
look for this treasure. And so we went all the
way up into northern Wyoming and just like way out
in the middle of nowhere, like Grizzly Bear country, you
know what I mean. They were just like everything. I remember.
I didn't want to go because I didn't have below
the home of Brown. Like I thought there was a

(27:27):
fish hattery up the creek that that was my convergent
where Warmater's halt, and I thought, okay, that could be
the home of Brown. But then I saw his house
with an aerial view, and I go, I'm going to
go to the assessor's page and find out who the
owner of that house is. And it was Roger Brown.
And I was like, we're going. But that's the way

(27:49):
it goes, right.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Those aha moments are the best though, Like I had
mine also, and it's like you go oh, And that
was what we wanted to do in our hunt, is
make sure that people have that moment. You might not
need to go boots on the ground yet, but getting that,
oh my gosh, I cracked it. I called the phone
number and the voicemail is Mike saying congratulations from calendar.
You get that, you know, so that that's the best

(28:12):
part other than actually getting the treasure.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Getting the treasure is the best part.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I think seeing the explosion of the community, and yes,
just how far people would take it, you know what
I mean? And how how they're just they're they're dives
down the rabbit holes of you know, how far people
would go. I'd beel like, Oh, I never thought about it.
Do you really think you know, I talk to my
wife about you, like, do you really think that it

(28:41):
would it would take that, you know what it takes
understanding some like odd obscure language too, you know, and
then that language rhymes with this, you know what I mean?
Like sometimes solve's got pretty out there, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, the GPS solved in the poem was a pretty
good one. But we've come to learn that we yes,
it was coincidental. I mean, it takes you right to Yellowstone,
but the numbers are there. It's just we went down
that rabbit hole where you thought it was correct, but
it turns out it wasn't, or at least we think
it wasn't. But then you get to people that instead
of a hobby, it turns into an obsession. So there
is kind of a little bit of a negative side,

(29:16):
and they just don't believe their solves wrong. Even after
it's over and somebody finds the treasure, they don't believe
they're solve is wrong. So you got to watch that
get too wrapped up in it.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
The one thing that you just brought up. We had
this debate last night. So we have a discord, and
I will say the discord chat room has at least
fifty people in it at least eighteen hours a day,
whether you work the night shift so then you're in
during the day or vice versa. And there's two lovely searchers.
I know they're both in the room, So I'm gonna
say how lovely you guys are, but I'm going to

(29:46):
use you as an example. One really wanted to talk
down the rabbit hole of like a particular specificity of
Justin Was he going to be a part of this
feat freemasonry, et cetera and these other searchers. Wait, that's
way too far down the rabbit hole. No way, we
need to bring it back up higher level and talk
about this. And there is this hotly debated topic. And

(30:08):
I said, gop, because you can do both.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
We have five chat.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Rooms now because they become so active, So some people
break off for that. In like, if I need to
learn about astrology because of Ursa East, Hey, anybody want
to go just talk about stars? And we do and
or make a freemasonry or whatever. And some people just
like to talk higher level. Let's talk higher level.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Who's justin what does this mean in the book? In general?

Speaker 5 (30:34):
But I do agree with you. There's times that I
go so far down a rabbit hole. I go, I've
just put in twenty hours of research. Does he really
like all hunts? Am I really supposed to be doing this?
And sometimes I say yes, And then most of the
time I go to Mike and I do get frustrated
because I go to Mike and I say, look, I
found the beginning of this and he's like, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Don't do that. Let's go onto something else.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
And I'm like, if Mike says it, throw it out
and I get all mad, but he does. He resets
me because I've gone too far down the rabbit holes.
Sometimes I'll look up It's like, how's it two thirty?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Am?

Speaker 5 (31:06):
I just started on this at nine? But you keep trying,
but something's gonna work. I can't say no to any
of these rabbit holes, because they might not be rabbit holes,
they might be the right answer.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
And we saw that you put the link to Discord
in the chat, which we appreciate. So the Discord's free,
but he's welcome. I mean, we probably have channels for
maybe twelve to fifteen treasure hunts at this point that
are all active right now, that are all going on,
and we actually have so many people in there talking
we had to set up different voice channels for different topics.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Describe Discord. Some of our audience might not be familiar
with Discord.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, So it's a free application you can get for
your phone or the computer, and they call them channels.
Think of it like a chat room, but a more
modern modern day chat room you can go and make
posts on for us. Ours is treasure hunt related, So
the different treasure hunts you can make posts. We have
the voice channel where people can come in. There's no video,
but you can speak to each other and people are

(31:57):
just bouncing ideas and talking about boots on the ground
and really having a good good time. So we've got
different channels for different treasure hunts and I think we
hit how many people do you think we have capro.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
I think we're like six thousand, seven thousand.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
A lot of it's and we just started like six
months ago. The big thing is it's like the old
Aol chat room, So you have the chat rooms where
you can type things, people can scroll back up, and
then we have voice channels and people keep their cameras off,
but they sit and chit chat and some people fall
asleep chit chatting.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
They're literally in there a lot.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
I try to check in after everybody's down because I
know I'll go in for five minutes and it turns
out an hour later. But those are the two groups.
But the cool part is it's by hunt, so if
you just want to work on the Beacon Star or
you know, a hunt on the East Coast rather than
one of the big ones, there is discussions happening in
those particular hunts, which is pretty cool. I'd never been

(32:50):
on discord. I'm not technology savvy at all, and I
learned like that, so it's not hard at all.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, they're definitely a lot of fun. So thanks you
guys from putting that out there. It's a real good
collection for all searchers and all people interested in these
treasure hunts. To come together, to read, to learn, to interact,
to put down ideas, to get shot down, or you know,
get encouraged because you do. When you go down a
rabbits hole and then you get some glimmer of connection

(33:19):
twelve levels down, then you just become like, oh, it
blows up and now it could be completely disrailing you,
derailing you, right, but you find that little slipper or connection,
you're like, oh, now I'm just sure that I'm right
with this thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
And the other thing is dues. We get the breaking
news pretty quick as soon as it comes out. So
Discord is a central place where you will get updates
to these treasure hunts when it's found. All that, but
just small things.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Just as post of this, JCB said this, here's a
new interview. All of that's posted in the channel. So
you can get all your treasure hunting news on one place,
which makes it convenient.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, that's definitely awesome. So for treasure get you get
the auction going on, and then just recently you get
this Netflix special that comes out.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Agreed, Yep, they finally.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Do a Netflix special about the forest fan hunt called
Golden Grades on Netflix. You all can go watch it
right now. And how I mean, I know probably how
you guys got involved in it, because you are it
when it comes to treasure hunts, But can you give
us some behind the scenes and kind of how you've
got involved in the Netflix special.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Turn out by saying I apologize. Mike and I had
very different opinions about how much we were going to participate.
They did ask us to be kind of one of
the main character groups that they would have followed. I
was more reluctant than Mike. I already had some searchers
kind of not do some so great things, and I

(34:50):
just was a little more private I laugh now at that,
but because it took five years for them to put
it together, so we did allow them to use any
video that we had up on our video. Mike really
wanted to be a part. They told us it's both
of us or none of us, So I said no,
but all of our earth so we had to say no.
And he was very accepting of my kind of strong

(35:11):
feelings on that one. And so we know all of
the searchers. I've known them, all of them for years
and corresponded with all of them for.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Gosh when they were back before.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
The Hunt or the Netflix started in The Hunt was
off in June of twenty twenty, so it was interesting
to watch how it progressed.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
It.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Netflix was on under a different director, it got canceled,
and then it came back under a different director. They
were filming. They thought a lot of things were going
to come to fruition. Some things didn't. At the last minute,
I talked to the director, They're like, ah, we don't
have an ending. So they really had to redo episode three.
They thought they were going to be able to really

(35:53):
show some solid reasons why it was nine mile hole
for us going over the video. He actually goes over it.
They couldn't financially make it work with the estate, so
that didn't happen. So they kind of rework some things.
So there's a there's a lot of fun in Golden Greed.
It is not exactly accurate. Some people are calling it
a Netflix documentary, which means they kind of didn't care

(36:14):
as much about the actual facts. They kind of got
a little loosey goosey with that, but in general for
the average person, they don't care. Was it justin that
got to the twig first, or was it rudy they
just care that it happened with someone. So for us
searchers we have court, it's like watching a cop show
with a cop. You can't because they'll say they didn't
mirandize that my dad was a cop, his dad was.

(36:36):
They they pick apart the little details and it's like, no,
it's fun. Just just I don't care if they mirandize them.
Just oh they would have put their handcuffs on the
back not the front. And I'm like, I don't care, Dad,
just let me listen. So anyway, that's that's my thoughts.
Go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Sorry, Well, well, we were happy. I was happy to
see anyway that they did use clips from our YouTube shows.
So we did make it into the to the doc series,
which was fun, and I mean the best part is
that Justin put clues to his Treasure Hunt Briggs doc.
I mean that was huge. We again, Christy had that
first before it ever came out. She's like, I think

(37:12):
he might be doing this because we know Justin a
little bit, and she was right. And how much fun.
I mean I'd watched the thing fifty times looking for clues,
but to see yourself in it was was really awesome
as well. Yeah, and yeah, it's like it's done a
true story. There's some fix there's some things that were
not the truth, but it's still a great story for
people who don't know how it went down.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
And I think I could have done a worst job.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah oh right, yeah it wasn't could.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Have done much worst job. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So
people might not know what you're talking about with this
clues and the Netflix special. So the Netflix special just
is an next Moosa almost on the Force fin Treasure
Hunt and talk to interviews certain searchers. It talks about

(37:56):
I thought they you know, you know a few different
types of searchers kind of told this story. But in
it there was a gentleman named Justin Posey, and he
was sort of one of the first people you see,
real big searcher, really involved, and he gets to the
entire docuseries and then it's revealed.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, so at the very end, he looks in the
camera and he says, by the way, I've hidden my
own treasure and I've sprinkled clues up this docuseries in it,
and you can go to his website it is Treasure
dot Quest. He hid a million dollars in gold. He
won't give an exact value, but we're pretty sure it's
a million dollars. It's out there physically right now, waiting

(38:40):
for somebody to find it. And he has a book out.
The book has clues. Netflix Dock is supposed to help
you with the book. He's got a poem much like
Forest vended. He says, it contains ten clues and if
you figure it out, it is somewhere in the American West,
so the west part of the country. And uh yeah,
I mean I can't wait for the spring, the no
boots on the ground. I still have to come up location.

(39:01):
But yeah, it's a lot of fun, and it's just
continued on, you know, the thrill, the chase. We're a
whole new generation to experience the thrill that we all had.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So Mike Treasure dot quest. You go over that website
and you can find the poem, you can find his book,
you can find all kinds of announcements, rules. Little Tipsy's
led out there to kind of answer some questions. A
lot of them came your showy Christy real quick, let
me put this up. This is the poem, this is

(39:30):
the website. It's called Beyond the Map's Edge. That's the
name of his book also, and so here's the very
similar to Forrest's poem in context at least, and then
you can read this poem and then go figure it out.
I mean, I've got to figure it out, but you know,
I'll give everyone else a chance.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I think metal detector sales are gonna just because it
is Hunt and the other big one that's going on.
He says, you know it's in a container that when
you see it, you recognize it. He won't tell us
what it is. It's like if you've read the book
and watch Netflix, you'll know what it is. Or everybody's
trying to guess what that is as well.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
A guess on that right, real quick? Can you find
what lives? In time? Flowing through each measured rhyme? Each
measured rhyme just got a question mark, Isn't it funny?
Everyone concentrates a lot on the punctuations and the capitals
all the time. Right, wisdom waits and shadowed site for

(40:27):
those who read these words, Just right as hope surges
clear and bright, walk near, walk, near waters, silent flight,
round the bend, past the hole. I wait for you
to cast your pool and ursa east his realm awakes
his bride stands guard at ancient gates, her foot of
three at twenty degree, return her face to find the

(40:50):
place double arcs on granite bold, where secrets of the
past still hold beyond the reach of times. Swift race,
wonder guard this sacred space. Truth rest not in clever minds,
not entangled, twisted finds. Like a river, steady flow. What
you seek, you already know. So there you go, figure

(41:12):
it out, go find it. I get ten percent. If
you've heard the problem.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
That's a good home right there.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's a darn good pom Man.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
We've got people in the chat. They're already throwing out
their the locations of it finding. dB Cooper says it's
in Montana.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Well so most of us, I will say the majority.
And Nicky's in there. I've met him at dB Cooper Kahn.
He's kind of one of the leading researchers in that mystery.
And think about that over lap.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
We have a lot of.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Communities coming together for this type of treasure hunt. I'm
not where he is, but I am in Montana. Justin
just announced yesterday he's having his first meet up in
the middle of nowhere Montana. I think population three thousand, Dylan, Montana,
June twenty First, a lot of us are, hundreds of
us will be there, and then we're all going to
branch out to our locations. Because here, I'll give you, guys,

(42:04):
freaking news. I move into Montana this summer with my
son extended vacation.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Just signed the lease. We are ready to go. My
son's going to learn. I have the metal.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Detector, I have a fishing pole. He's going to learn
to fish. He's going to learn it all. We're out
on a big piece of property that has horses and
all of that.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
It's going to.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Be a bless wow chasing. Indy just said, Team Dylan Montana,
let's go. That's amazing. It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
It's going to be fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, she's not moving there. I don't want it to
sound an extended vacation and there as well this summer.
More if you read his book, a lot of the
history takes place in that area.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
So a lot of people think, I think I'm so
excited about this one. I'm not going to tease, but
I'm going to say there's a couple of things that
even passed Mike's test of He's like Ah, that's something.
So I'm we're going to spend more than a few weeks.
I'll just say. And because I want my son to
realize it's not just about the boots on the ground,
I've hooked him up with some other high schoolers. So

(43:09):
he is going to learn how to fly fish. And
there's a rodeo out there. I've never been to a rodeo.
That will be fun, so it's gonna and then the
metal detector. I'm going to show him really how metal
detectors are. Not what I remember as a kid. It
was turn it on and it beeped or not. And
now the one I got him, I don't know, is
about two hundred and fifty dollars. It has every depth

(43:31):
and ever. I mean, I'm preaching to the choir. I
was shocked it needs its own directions because but there's
a YouTube for everything. I'll probably be watching your guys's
channel for that.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah. But that's been a great mom there because you know,
whether he appreciates it now or not.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Well, I left it up to him. He's an outdoor
kid for Vegas, but Vegas is a city and so
I said to him, hey, we could go for a
couple of days or a week, or we can make
it a couple of weeks if you really want to
learn how to fish, and you really like he hasn't
fished or camped or done any of that, and he's like,
I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
He's like, let's go. I'm like, with your stinky mom.
He's like, stinky mom, let's go.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
I mean, he's so excited, which is shocking to me.
But we have a lake on the property where we
can fish, so he's like, I can practice every day.
I'll make sure to do everything. I was like, okay,
and we just kind of had our powow today. He's like,
every day I want to be on the trails. I'm like, okay,
I said, let's set up our grand worlds. He's like
every day every day. I'm like, do I have.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Like, I'll go with you a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
He can.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
He's a pretty fit kid. He's an outdoorsy kid. So
it's going to be awesome. I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I think just you know, what Forest said was he
wanted to get people out and enjoy nature, and it's
carrying on in this one too. And you guys are
I mean, you're you're doing exactly what Forrest wanted you
to do, connect with family, be outdoors, enjoy that time,
you know, get out of the rut, you know, out
of all that.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Kind of stuff. And yeah, so National Park from the
forest fence, throw the chase. I never would have made
it to the park if it wasn't so yeah you
speaking of.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
I was gonna say, speaking of Yellowstone. Chad Bird piped
back in.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
He says, true, true, West just their guest is just
east of West, just east of West Yellowstone, and he's
been out there many times looking for it. He's convinced.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Okay, all right, Chad, Well I'm going to see you
out there, buddy, because on my current solve, I think
I told you this. Mike leads me to Yellowstone. I
mean it's perfect, but I always thought Justin's answer of
you know, uh doesn't cost you anything and it's just
sorr uh. It really took me out of it. I

(45:47):
think I'm talking about that. Like No, Chad says in
the chat, he didn't say anything about it costs anything.
He just says, as of that date today, which was
three thirty one, it didn't cost you didn't to access
the park. So okay, maybe I won't let go of that.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, so we're not sure on national parks now. Justin
said one thing, but then he's kind of wait. He's
wavered a little bit. So we're like, maybe you can
get into the national park. He won't rule it out.
Put it that way, he won't rule it out.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well, maybe I'll see chat out there sometimes.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Have you guys ever been out to the nine mile
Hole location?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I was at Fennrock. I know Christie's actually made the
trip to the actual spot.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
I actually made it over and I've waited over I
think five or six times, one time in waiters, one time.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Not.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
I never fell, I will say, but it's especially based
on the time of year. It's rough in spring with
all the spring runoff. It was hard for me. During
the summer it wasn't too bad, and during fall it
was the easiest. But also where you went over, if
you go over right at the Fenrock, it's a little

(47:02):
more difficult if you go down just a little bit.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I was with a searcher who's.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
About five to two, and then I've been over with
Justin who was about six four maybe I think he is,
so it's easier and I'm in between. I'm about six foot,
so it was easier for me. Well, I guess everybody
to be a little bit more shallow. So yeah, I've
been over plenty times. I've seen the exact spot. I

(47:27):
did get the opportunity to do that, which was fun.
I think by that point we'd already been through so much.
By that point, it did feel like that little bit
of closure, but we had said that so many times before.
I do have to say, for me, I got a
lot of the closure from this is really sad to say,

(47:49):
the court documents, Yellowstone intervening, and then then putting in
emails between Jack and Forrest.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
I mean that's where I got more of that.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
I knew the nine mile hold low felt right, but
that specific spot, it wasn't a specific spot to Forrest.
He just needed to hide it back in the trees.
He really loved nine mile Hole in general. So yeah,
I mean it was a nice kind of bow ending.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
We thought.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
I thought I would never move on without knowing what
happened really with Jack, But I've kind of let that
go at this.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Point, New Day, New Hunt.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
You know, I personally, I think Dale a few others
we don't believe it was as clean as Jack just oh,
I found it, and we think there might have been
a nudge or things from Forrest. I'll still believe that,
but I don't have any exact proof of it. I mean,
there's some circumstantial evidence, but I won't say enough. I
really wanted to know what happened at the end, but

(48:43):
that's I hate to say when Forest passed and it's
just a lot of money lovers.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, yep, yeah, I know, yeah, I know when it
was announced on Dell's site. I know that I was
getting ready to go to bed when I saw it,
and I said, as a matter of fact, ended up
on the Netflix special. I went and I told my wife,
I gotta go live right now. That's definitely the news

(49:09):
stations haven't heard of this. You haven't gotten ahold of
this yet. So I went out and I went live
right away, and it was just it was amazing to
me because I know he posted on Dell's side, and
I kind of believed it that it was over. I
believe that post. I didn't think that was anybody fake
in a post. But yeah, I was just shocked. I
was like, Wow, this entire community is going to just

(49:31):
lose its mind right now.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
You know what I mean right, Oh, we went live
and we had we decided after we were all Mike
and I were sitting in shock. I think we had
probably thirty or forty searchers actually come on with us,
and I remember some of the searchers were so in shock.
They said, Christy, you know you've been told if there's
an emergency, you have forest personal number, you have to

(49:53):
call in hear it from him. We will only believe
it if you actually hear it from him. So I
actually stepped away from Live. I finally got a hold.
I'm like, Flores, this is Christy.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Is it true? And we talked for.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
About ten minutes and he's like, yeah, it's over, and
he's like, make sure people are okay, but it's over.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
It was found.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
It was but and then I came back and people
are like, was it really his voice?

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I mean the conspiracy started like yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I'm like, yeah, I believe it.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
It was shocking.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
And then it was only what three months later when
Forrest passed away, and I think that was more shocking
to me. He was ninety. I know I shouldn't have been.
I was just I think so many of us were
like I felt, I felt so close to him, but
I know, I was one of many searchers that you know,
kind of had that. I had that friendship, but I

(50:42):
knew it was probably not equal. But I talked to
him most days, So that was hard for me over
you know, five years, and I taught the first person
I told when I got engaged. I mean, it was
I mean, it was just a weird It was an
interesting time.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah. I really think Forrest just thought everybody would just go, oh,
it's and just let it go. But that was not
the case. People did not want to let it go,
which resulted in lawsuit and some answers. But and then
it spawned you know, these other treasure hunts. So I
guess in the end, I guess, uh, we're okay.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
So yeah, there's still a lot of fun out there,
and I'm on the I'm on the thought process also
that I don't I don't know how the ending happened.
You know, there's a lot of a lot of thoughts
around that. But I always felt that Forrest really wanted
it found, you know what I mean, Like like a
lot of his hints and stuff started like increasing and
like he oh yeah, getting a little more loose to

(51:37):
some of the information stuff he had put out. I
just really felt like he really wanted it to be
found and uh and it was. So then everyone can
spend years talking about it was found or not, and
how it was found or not and on.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
We still have a Forest Bend channel where people still
discuss it this day.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
But the good part it.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Is, I think because Justin spent so much time as
a searcher, he went out hundreds of times the things
that we were the most frustrated. Nobody can be perfect,
but the things that we were the most frustrated about
he has said he's tried to improve upon. So he
got the benefit of hindsight. So like he says, there's
a confirmer checkpoint along the way that lets you know

(52:21):
you're trending in the right direction. I love that because
Forest always said, and tell you the box you have nothing,
And he says he's going to put out the solve,
you know, and he has done the things that I
think as searchers, maybe Forrest didn't know both sides of it.
And so since Justin's been on the other side, there
always is going to be hiccups. There's a controversy every week,

(52:42):
and he rectifies them, and he's not perfect, but I
think he's doing a really good job and how he
has set things up, he is seeming to overcome the
biggest achilles heels just because he got to learn from it,
which is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah. I agree.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Where was Jack from again?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Michigan? He was from Michigan, Michigan.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, that explains it, Tony, Right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I'm originally from I'm originally from Ohio.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
So I don't like that Mike's from Detroit.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Oh geez Detroit? Oh no, whoa what happened? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Don't say that to the person that has the control
on the cameras here, buddy.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
So we had stepdad living with us before him and
his mom passed, and he's been a Michigan person for like,
he had season tickets for like thirty five years or something.
So I came into the room and I said, who
were rooting for? Is it the red team or the
blue team? And it was Ohio and he just he's
the nicest man, and he looked at me just like

(53:56):
I'll kill you, Like it was so funny.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
And I was like, Mike, is this like a rivalry thing?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
He's like?

Speaker 5 (54:03):
So then I got all geared up every time there
was a game. I think it was every Saturday. I
had the hat. He got me socks that said Michigan,
And as long as I came down fully Michigan, I'm like, okay,
go blue.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
My first wife Claire Michigan. Outside of Oh yeah, I've
been to Claire. Yeah, and so yeah, her her whole
family were big Michiganders. And it was like I could
never say anything about any other team or anything. I
learned to keep my place, you know, I'll just sit
over there in the corner, drink a beer or two.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
But yeah, hilarious.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
So Montana, huh, okay? Was that your Is that just
where you're all headed? Is that where your minds are
at right now? Is there any other alternate location? Do
you think it's in Alaska?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Why? Why did he put Alaska on that map? Is
the question? Right?

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Well, I'll say my daughter is eighteen, started treasure hunting
when she was ten. She's never really been into the hunt.
She'll go out with us. We just found one of
the smaller hunts a couple months ago, but this one
she is deeply invested in. She studies every day on it.
It's kind of weird. Now she's actually watching our show.
She doesn't ever comment. I keep her kind of wants
to remove from that, but she'll say, you said this,

(55:20):
don't give away that. But her first SOL was in Alaska,
and it actually if you look at the Alaskan flag,
there's some really good reasons. But she finally like, and
I told her I'm gonna she can go anywhere I
will take her. And I was thinking, please in Alaska,
that's gonna be like double the cost. So she finally
caught the bug, like many of us did. For Montana,

(55:41):
we have narrowed to Montana. She's pretty upset right now
because she's going to nursing school and we're going to Michigan.
She's like, but I work on the poem every day,
and I'm like, you can visit for a few days
and you can come up with Mike. It's not like
we're leaving forever. And she's like, I've put in so
much work. So Montana has a lot of promise to it.

(56:03):
There's a lot in there in the book in the stories.
Some people say, no, he's just saying who the man
is and it's really in a different area, and that's okay.
I think we've found some stuff that I have not
seen on any of the blogs or any of the forums,
just some little things that really hone in and and
just just to make Mike mad because he's told me

(56:24):
never to talk about this. I think I have the cipher, Mike,
and you agree. You said it's there, so I think,
and why not at a minimum, why not go out
have a great you know, a few weeks months in Montana.
Make sure to tag it with learning how to fly fish.
We're going to go to Yellowstone. My son's never been.

(56:45):
We're going to do all that up there, make a
not full summer, but about a half summer out of it.
And I mean, if I don't come home with the
treasure which I'm going to, I will be coming home
with the greatest experiences. My son's going to be a
he's know how to clean a fish. It's gonna be
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I just hope you find something metal detecting, like some coins,
you know, or just something random metal detect everywhere. It
could be a lot of fun. And then Justin's doing
his book signing up there June twenty first. That's gonna
be a lot.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Of fun, very cool, sounds like a great trip, just
like you know, full of experiences that you know, both
cherish forever, whether whether you find it out. So what
percentage do you think the clues in the Golden Green
Netflix special have to do with the poem and the solve?

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Do you think what I believe he said, or at
least what I've heard is the Netflix clues help with
the book. I think so. And then but the poem
is in the book can help with the poem. But
I I personally think the Netflix clues help you decide
what to what are clues in the book where to
look in the book, and then from the book they
help you with the poem, and then of course the
poem takes the treasure. But percentage wise, I maybe fifteen

(58:01):
to twenty percent. I don't think it's a lot. I mean,
when asked between the two, he said, the book has
got a much better hints to the poem than Netflix does.
But that's my opinion. Anyway, I know we all got
different opinions. Now, do you guys know about the the
combo lock? Right? You know that clue from Netflix? Yep?
Pretty cool, right, that's pretty clever that he did it

(58:23):
that way. Homage yeah to Forest right right or actually
we don't know sure.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I think the most interesting part of the Netflix is
when they filmed it and they cut it and edited it.
He didn't know what what of his clues are actually
going in, So it's tough to say. I mean, was
he trying to shoot for ten percent and then through
you know, editing he hit seven percent? You know, or yeah,
something like that. You know, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
He says, there's a good couple that are in there.
I mean him doing the clock going backwards on the
clock that obviously he's got to mean something right correct time.
It's definitely something to do with time.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
But the dial was was pretty epic, right right, I
mean the combo lock yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I don't know if you saw on the discord, but
I went in and actually screenshot it every time he
was on screen, and I took note of the time
where the things on the shelf were, but the coffee
cup with the lock was doing, yeah, and then sorted
him by time, because you know, you don't know how
it's going to be edited. So I went through there,

(59:29):
I'm like, okay, what where's the cup handle pointing? Because
there was a lot of times, especially when he was
holding the cup like you can see me like look
down and kind of see where they handle his pony
related to a compass or something like that. So I
did all that and I analyzed all that. I don't
want any of it means, but I have that data,
you know, but that you know it. Yeah. So I'm

(59:50):
still making my way through the book. But this first
song I have, I'm telling you what. It just it
matches up so much to his poem. I can't wait
to get up go to Cody every now and then
for business. Every time I go again, and the East
gates not it wasn't open the last time I was
in Cody.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
So uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
And plus I'm with coworkers and they don't want to
go on this treach out with me, but adventure get
in there and check my spot for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
So what do you think of this checkpoint? How could
he have created this checkpoint? I mean, I just don't
know what it could be that we know we're in
the trending in the right direction, is what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah it could be, Uh, yeah, it could be. Don't
do you think it? Do you think it just hits
so strong on a line in the poem or do
you or do you think something's there that's going to
give you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I think I think there's but I just don't know
what could he what he could he leave or create
that's not going to be destroyed by a searcher or
moved or I'm just wondering how he came up with it.
I think something boots on the ground were absolutely one
hundred percent you know you're in the right general area.
I'm just not sure what that is. And then the
way he smiled in our interview, I think he also

(01:01:09):
knows when somebody's there, and how would he set that
up so right? So he figured out a way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
My thought on that is foot of three at twenty degree.
That's my thought on that. I think if you're following
the location and you're going to get to this spot,
I think the foot of three at twenty degree, you're
going to find an item, whether it's a marker or
some kind of waypoint, physical waypoint that's going to be

(01:01:38):
maybe have three feet three legs on it. It's going
to be pointed in a twenty degree location for whatever
the item is, and I think that's going to be
your checkpoint. You can be like, oh, yeah, this is it. Yeah,
that's that's just smart.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
That's the standard that seems the most difficult person free
his realm, A weights that that that stands is the
one that I think once you figure out and get
boots on the ground, he's like, Okay, you've done the work,
you started figuring me out. Let me give you a
little confirmation. That's that's so what both of you guys
just said. I agree with and I find it in
Montana Slummer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yeah, I hope you do, man, I hope you do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
We'll have you honest. You find it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Well, I don't know if I want to be anonymous
or not. The crazy birds are out there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I just how could we be anonymous? Cape Bro, we
do it so people to go, yeah, you found it
looking for it right now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
I have a fifteen year old truck, so I just
brought a brand new truck. It's the greatest thing. I
feel like a better person in this truck. And we
needed Bert Fader.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
And then Mike. Really when we moved houses, we don't
have a spa.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Bought a spa, so we put both of those up
and people are like, so we knew there would be
signs once you found the treasure.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
I'm like, no, we can keep quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Well, if you just didn't blabber mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I told already told my work. I go, if I
find it, you'll just never hear from me again. I'm
just not. So that's one clue. And then there's the
bitcoin wallet that's up to ten grand. Yeah, it goes
for years and years. How high that bitcoin wallet'll go.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Here's something that we won't say for our show. We'll
say for your show. There's a way when you click
on the bitcoin wallet, you can see the wallet that
it came from and what the value is. You know
what the value of Justin's bitcoin wallet is? Fifty four
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I mean, if you got in early, you could get
hundreds of bitcoin for nothing back then.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
So when people are going, oh he's worth a couple
of million, his bitcoin wallet alone is worth fifty four million.
And look at that vault that has those big boxes
of gold in it. Those are worth one point five
million dollars each.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Got in early for sure?

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, right, four five bitcoins, four one hundred and eighty
five holy yeah, yeah, one hundred grand. It went back
up to one hundred grand.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Yeah, all right, here's a question them the chat, Chason
Lindy said, chasing Indy, Sorry, what your what is your bride?

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
I think she might be asking you to She probably
know here's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Discord with her. She's trying to trick me.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
You won't get it out of me. I'll tell you
once I have the treasure chasing me?

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Who was one in our wedding party. She's a good friend, So.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I don't know. Personally, I don't have other than I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
I think there's I'm she's gonna love this. I think
there's a mythology connection and a star's connection. That's as
far as I'll go. But I do not believe that
Ursa East and his realm is exactly as straightforward as
people think.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Who is Ursa? Is that Ursa from mythology? Is it Zeus?
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I have a.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Twist on mine that I think fits really well, but
I won't know until I go out there and don't
find it and accused justin of never putting it out there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
I listened to your guys's live stream or you just
kind of had like a group meeting on zoom, I
think is what it was, and you had a bunch
of different people in there and people were throwing all
kinds of different ideas and things like that, and yeah,
that was really interesting to watch that. I enjoyed that
one and kind of it's nice to have that community
like you and guys were talking about, to kind of

(01:05:25):
come together, bounce some ideas off and start going down
different ways and go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Oh, I didn't even think about that. I'll start to
explore down this path. Now. Yeah, you hear ideas that
never occurred to you, and it's like, okay, maybe there's
something there, right, Yeah, we need to do more of those.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Actually well, and they've kind of turned into the chat sessions,
but those have become more I think socializing and some
ideas thrown out. But Mike used to do zooms for
all the smaller hunts and it I think we need
to go back to that because that's the one you're
talking about where we're in here to give ideas, to
share and to balance ideas and the zoom lasted. I

(01:06:02):
think the one you're talking about is the past and
future for John Collins Black. It was great because there
were ideas that went to It was funny because what
Ken was talking about of going too far down the
rabbit hole. I think Joe started sharing some of his
and he went so far down. I was I was
good though about halfway stuff I'd never considered. Then he

(01:06:23):
went to so much further My brain exploded. But it was
great to have that discussion going. So Mike's been talking
about doing this. He used to do one of those
every week for like five years.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
So now we just they're still going on. People SLA
haven't solve them, so they're out there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
So I think, uh, first Stanza for me is directional.
It gives you a direction. Uh. Second stanza is actually traveling.
You're traveling actually further. So first stands it gives you
a direction to head. Second Stanza takes you on a track.
Third standard, third stands that takes you on a track.
I think since you're going to find your checkpoint, they

(01:07:00):
put a three to twenty degree turn around and then
you're facing the location you're going to, which is this
double arc place, and kind of the whole STANDSA there
kind of describes that the place you're going for. It
kind of all ties in together. I think that wait

(01:07:22):
for you to cast your pole is not a fishing pole.
I think it's all trekking poll I think it's a trick,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
That was it was funny last night in the speakeasy,
in the voice channel. That was the only thing we
could agree on is none of us thought it was
an actual fishing pole. But there's a thousand ideas of
what it is and no one could agree. Some said
telephone pole, some said all these different poles. But the
only thing we agreed on together was it's not a
fishing pool, which I love.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
So the last stanza, what do you guys think of this?
The last stanza, I don't think leads you to the
pinpoint location. I think it's going to lead you to
the general location and you're going to recognize. You're going
to recognize what you're looking for the container. You're gonna
be in a general area, You're going to look around,
you're going to see this container. I don't think it's

(01:08:13):
a pinpoint location.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, he wouldn't answer if it's buried, or he really
wouldn't answer. You'd say, it would get you, It would
get you to it, and you recognize it if you
get there. So I said, well, then that means it's
not buried if we if we're going to recognize it.
But you know, what I mean, you'd have to give
us an exact location to dig if it's buried. So
I think that might mean it's not buried that when
once we see it, we know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
And then how could it be in plain sight right
without right if it's a traveled area or any other
place where public might go to. Right here we go,
We're going down rabbitol.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Good question.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Good mm hmm mmmm uhh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
We'll see. We'll see if I find it. I won't say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Anything, just anonymous, but justin since he will reveal the solution, right, yes,
the full solution and the Netflix sense, which is what
we all want. Yeah, yeah, he liked a lot. I
think he approved upon the thrill to chase.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
This is off topic, but if Ken does find it,
I know he's gonna buy a manicore.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Now they don't have to, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I had to throw in there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
So Tony and I both have different uh model metal detectors,
two different brands, and they're like currently the two top
brands out there are two top type of metal detectors,
and so we give each other the business all the time,
betteran buying, you know what I mean. We go to
the instagree on it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
So who has the most fines with their metal detector?
I don't know, man keep track or no. Well, if
you ask him, I know what he'll say. I always
have one more than he does.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I have a gold coin with mine. So oh h,
that's pretty good. O, yours is bigger.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
You gets funny?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
You got chairs with the t too, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
La la, la la la.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
I haven't as bad as Michigan and Ohio, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Is right there? You go.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Well, it's funny because I got some time with my
daughter because I got to take her up to Montana
a couple of weeks ago, and I just threw out
like She's like, what would you buy if you won
the million dollars treasure? And I don't even remember what
I said, but and I told her we would do
a treasure hunt, we'd do a bigger one. I said
what would you buy? And she said I would buy
my brother Depro and her boyfriend dirt bikes. And I said, okay,

(01:10:54):
she said the best dirt bikes.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
I said, how much are there? She's like thirty grand each.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
I said, okay, that's sixty What would you do with
the nine hundred and forty thousand, and she's like, man,
this is a lot more than I can even imagine.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
And it's so funny. That was her biggest thing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
I know, she can tell you first, give you something,
but that's the biggest she was And I'm like, no,
this is a whole different level, baby. That's why this
is so exciting. And I think that's when it hit her.
What I mean, she's eighteen. She knows what a million
dollars is. But when she was dreaming about what to buy,
it was, oh, I'll spend sixty grand.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
It's like, okay, at a zero.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
I mean, it's just it is bigger than you can
imagine until you really start thinking about it. She's like, okay,
and then I would buy him twenty acres to put
a dirt bike track on.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
I'm like, there you go. Now we're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Absolutely, we can move off. We'll get back to Justin Posey.
In the Discord server, you guys can find over at
Kalasar's and what do you guys calling? You calls me
at the Grand Adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Colo is Our's Grand Adventure on Discord. If you don't
have the link, which is in the description, but you
can just search on Discord colos Our's Grand Adventure, it'll
come right up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, and if you happen to be listening, because we
post our audio version of this tomorrow, which is the
bigger button to put for a bock on us. We
have many more listeners on our audio podcast that's been
on for eight years, and then we do sort of
on these livestreams. We switched over to this because our
audio only podcast, doing the live element, we could no
longer do a comment section, so we came over here

(01:12:29):
and started doing video. But we post the audio tomorrow
on our that you can find anywhere you find podcasts,
you can find Relex Radio. But we'll put all the
links over there down below for you guys to find
everything we're talking about tonight. Facebook page, klas k Pro's
Grand Adventure on Facebook, Klasars on YouTube channel tell us

(01:12:50):
about Uncharted Collectibles.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
So on Charted Collectibles. We have a partner of ours,
Greg and Well the I guess the genesis of it
would be way back for the thrill of the chase.
I had the idea of a Searcher coin, and I
reached out to Forest Vent and said, you know, I
was in the military and we used to have a
coin for whatever unit you were in. It's like a brotherhood.
And I reached out to him because him being a pilot,
he knows about that. And I said, us treasure hunters,

(01:13:15):
we're a brotherhood too, you know, we're all we all
have a common goal. So how about a Fence Searcher coin?
And he allowed me to do it, made a thousand
of them sold out. People still have him to this day.
And then fast forward, our friend of ours, Greg was like,
you know what, I bet you I could get the
rights to the Secret Byron Price. Is The Secret a
treasure hunt from the early eighties. Twelve casks, three of

(01:13:37):
them have been found, but nine are still out there.
And he's like, let me talk to the guy who
owns the rights, and I bet you we could work
out a deal. And he did. He's a lawyer, he
worked out the deal. So Uncharted Collectibles is the beginning
of limited edition collectibles for treasure hunting. So Forest Fence
Searcher coined the couple that we have left are on
the website, and we chose to go with New York,

(01:13:57):
which is one of the nine cities that haven't been found,
and that that treasure hunting coin is out there as well,
and we have some ideas to do a future coin.
Uh me and k pro and Greg, so, uh, stay tuned.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
You're marrying the one.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
So another treasure hunter that holds a pretty exclusive treasure
hunt he said, put a set of them out there
and they sold out what within a day and you
have a waiting list.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
There's only fifty of these. But he did something unique.
He put a cipher or a puzzle on the coins,
or you have to put all the coins together to
decipher it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
A different word people have to share.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
People experiment was that Randy, No, no, this one is
bark with a treasure the Treasures of no name. So
t t O K A dot org Randy Fischel should
do it for the Beacon Star. But no, this was
bark brilliant. Yeah, so I think the coin's a good
idea because you know and you know metal detecting. What

(01:14:56):
are you looking for coins? It's just uh my original
idea for the thrill that is to leave your coin
in your area and when the next worst person comes along,
they realize you've been there searching it. That type thing.
A way to connect me, yeah, way to connect you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Tony and I go out detecting over in England sometimes,
and sometimes people do that. They'll go detecting in England
and they'll make these little coins. Yeah, I'll bury it,
retrieve a Roman coin or something. They will replace it
with one of their coins. So the next person that
digs it up and says, hey, you know Ken was
here from Adventures in Dirt. You know I got here
before you did. Yeah, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, right, that's it's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
So Mike ha mentioned the secret. So for those of
you who live in the following states or the following cities,
I should say San Francisco, Charleston, Roanoke, St. Augustine, New Orleans, Houston, Montreal, Milwaukee,
and New York, you're still eligible to find these casks
from the secret. Head on over to twelve treasures dot
com get started on that quest. There are all kinds

(01:15:53):
of other armchair treasure hunts out there. There's about twenty
others over on Cowazar's discord server, So if you want
to head on over there, just scroll to the bottom
on the left and you'll see all kinds of different
treasure hunts going on around the country. So the Beacon
Star is close to my heart because I'm in Colorado.

(01:16:15):
Do you think I find that I know. I think
I searched for you one time, Mike. I think I
went to look something up for you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
But yeah, yeah, for sure. I really like The Beacon Star.
I like it because the story is good. If you're
into Harry Potter dungeons and dragons type stuff. The story
is really well written, I think. And the puzzles are fun.
They are cipher based, but we have solved, you know,
I'd say maybe half the puzzles in the book. We've
actually given the solutions on our YouTube channel over the

(01:16:40):
years and people have had a lot of fun with it.
And Randy checks on it every year and he's like,
it's right there. He goes, the book will lead to
right there. It's within a finger's length. It's got to
be inside a brick wall somehow, it's got to be.
But that is in Denver, Colorado, and that treasure is
it's probably about sixty five hundred dollars plus a one
ounce gold coin is the treasure. But it's hard.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
It is a cipher driven I tried. It is hard,
and when Mike was like, yeah, there's like twenty two puzzles.
We're so excited we have a bottom all of them solved.
Randy did put out a hint to everyone. He's like,
you're not even halfway there. And I believe it's related
to sun dials. You have to do it on only
certain times a year. It will be there one hundred
years from now. Randy will need to tell a person

(01:17:25):
that tells his kids, that tells his kids, it tells
his kids that one's never getting solved.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
But that okay. One night and it was like midnight,
Mike was not in bed. I'm like, what is he doing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
I go down and there he is with the Beacon
star in a flashlight. He just couldn't get it out
of head that night. And he comes back to it.
And that's one that you go back to and have fun.
And everybody's sharing at this point because everybody knows it's
so impossible. So that one's that one's a that one's
a rough one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Randy gives hints and Randy's Randy always said a good
treasure hunt should last thirty years, So he made it
difficult intentionally, and he's just he's content to let it
sit and let somebody figure it out. We're all kind
of at a point where we can't figure this one
thing out, and he said, he said in the video,
He's like, eventually somebody will have the right idea and
they'll share it and everybody will have it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
So yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
E book, Chad. There was, but there were some issues
so he took it down. So it's just a printed
book on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Yeah. I bought a copy for me and a copy
for one of my stepsons, because he's just that one kid,
you know what i mean. Yeah, anybody's gonna find it.
You find it, you know what I mean, Like, you know,
we just we did an escape room one time and
I had to fill out all this stuff for the
escaper and stuff, and there's this last combo to get
you out of the room, and he just want to
learn and he cracked it like like you know, one

(01:18:41):
of those kind of kids, you know. And so I
gave him a copy of the book. I'm like, Okay,
figure this out for me. Figure get it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Well, make sure to watch.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
Mike did a show maybe a year or two ago,
so when people do come in, there's like twenty puzzles
already solved. So he put it all together in one video.
So when someone comes in, rather than reinventing, they can
use their new juices and saw something new, So.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Make sure to show them that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And then there's Xavier Marks. Are you familiar with that one?
Have you heard of it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
No, I hadn't so.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Xavier Marx is in New York. It's a treasure in
New York, a proxy. It's ten thousand dollars whoever finds it.
And it's a kid's book. It looks like a simple
kid's book, but of course it's not so simple once
you start figuring out the clues. But Xavier Marks and
the Missing Masterpieces. Our friend, our friends Hillary and Sean
created that book, and yeah, it's ten grand. There's treasures
out there that are just waiting to be found. People

(01:19:33):
just got to put these clues together and find them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
And there's some new ones that are coming out. Who
just announced it at the con. They gave a free
one away the bookshop ladies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Yeah, yeah, the bookshop. The next one's coming out soon, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's called Don't Hold Me to That AMNII.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's it. Because there's new ones
all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yeah, we got to mention Michael O'Connell, friend of ours,
Michael O'Connell, long time forest fence searcher. If you're in
the northeastern part of the US. He hid nine treasures
in nine states, and like four of them have been found.
But I mean substantial treasures. And he's got two books,
Ladyliberty Treasure Hunt dot Com and then Riley's Treasure Hunt. Yeah,
he put a lot of time and effort into those

(01:20:17):
And I wish I lived in that part of the
country because I'd be all over him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
If I was up there. Hm, that's I heard of
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Yeah, there's a lot they're out there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
There's also I mean it'll probably never be found. I
know he said that stuff. But Forrest Bell's right, his
bell jars, Yeah, those are just going to be discovered
at some point, right, somebody's going to do some.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah, an accident. He said he wouldn't even be able
to go back and get him. It's not like directions.
But he did say, you know sometime maybe a thousand
years from now, that somebody will dig it up. That'd
be pretty awesome if one is found in our lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Definitely make the news for sure. So you guys are
really involved also in the community. So much like there's
Treasure Con, there's the World Series of FEN. Do you
guys still do the World Series of FEN poker tournament
and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Yeah, for sure. Every year. The World Series OFFEN is
a poker tournament that we do here in Vegas for
all the treasure hunters. And now last year we did
the very first Treasure Hunter conference here in Las Vegas,
Seeking Treasure Con, Seeking treasurecom dot com, and we are
planning for next years and we're hoping to get a
keynote speaker from one of these big treasure hunt creators possibly,

(01:21:28):
But it's just a way for everybody that talks on
discord and the groups to actually meet face to face
and you know, have a good time here in Vegas
share ideas we've had. We had the winners come up
from treasure games. I mean, there's people that are finding
some things and winning some money out there, so we
just wanted to show them to everybody. And it's a
lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
Well, but up until last year it was really just
a social We had the poker game, but we went
to Fremont Street and we had all this fun, but
a lot of new people are in and they want
to learn, So we actually made it more of a formal.
We did do an open bar and open food, which
was a bad idea. We're going to break it up
next time, but we actually asked panels of people to

(01:22:07):
come on. So there was a panel of people that
have won like Roy Coroy one the Breakfast Tea and
Bourbon for what two grand and so there was all
these winners and they talked about their strategies to win.
Some one of the hardest things is how do you
market a hunt if you don't have a Netflix behind

(01:22:29):
you or you know, a million dollar PR team, And
so some of the smaller hunts talked about how they
did it, and they do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
It very differently. So we have all these topics.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
So it was a little more formal where it was
really information and knowledge sharing. And that's actually the number
one request of can we make it so big that
we could break out into groups and kind of have
breakoff sessions. So we're just getting ready to start organizing.
We'll have the keynote, but then we're going to break
off into individual like concurrent sessions. I think we have

(01:22:59):
enough because I've think we'll hit a couple hundred this
year coming, which is amazing because from where it started,
there were sixteen of us playing poker after a fundraiser
in Santa Fe with Forrest and then and I got
Forrest to sign a hundred dollars bill and that was
the that was the winning that it went to the winner.
And now we have a couple hundred that all come

(01:23:19):
to Vegas and we've turned into a conference. So it's
just it is amazing how things have evolved over the
ten years or so.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
So I do have a list. I just put my
email in the chat. It's Kyle lasersagmail dot com. But
I have a list and you'll get all the info
on the conference for next year if anybody wants to
email me to get on the list. And of course
it's in the discord and all our social media's as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Yeah, we had a question coming.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Yeah, the question was from JCB hunters. Is there a
list of all the current ongoing treasure hunts? Is that
something you guys have compiled and have somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
On the discord List the majority of them, I would say,
maybe not every single one. I mean a lot going
on in the UK. We really don't list those just
because it's all the way over in the UK, But yeah,
Discord is a good place to find them.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
And usually every couple of months, and I haven't done
it for a couple of months. I have a power
point because that's what I'm kind of known for, and
it has like Beacon Star and it's in Denver, and
you need to here's the prize amount, and then kind
of the good and the bad like Cipher Heavy. But
it's only a seven dollars book and it's been going
on for years.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
I kind of give you the synopsis.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
Maybe I'll update that one because it is funny how
quickly they pop up, change get solved, et cetera. But
I think I called it the Dirty Dozen, so I
knew there was twelve going on just in our area
of the US. So I'll update that and maybe do
that on an upcoming show. But yeah, the left side
of our Discord you can see the hunts that are

(01:24:47):
are going.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Cool. Well, hey, guys, look, we're at the end of
an hour and a half. Doesn't it fly by?

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
It does Pocket Treasure on, so sure does.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Yeah, we talk for more hours. I'm telling you, UH
might have to have you back a few more times.
But a lot more than talk.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
When I find the treasure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Yeah, perfect. But hey, thank you guys. You've been great guests.
I knew you would be and I really appreciate you
guys making time to come on and talk to Tony
and I and our audience. And I'll tell you what.
We'll give you last talk, last message, will put you
in a green room and if you're okay with it,
we'll say our goodbyes off the air. Is that all right?

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Thank you for having us on.
It's a lot of fun. We are trying to hit
ten thousand subscribers on our YouTube channel, Coyle Lasers, of course,
so if anybody, if everybody could go subscribe, give it
a like, we would appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
There you go, and Tony's putting that in the chat
and it's also downlow on the description.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Yeah, thanks so much. I had fun. It was great.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
I'll see you guys in just a minute. A right, wow,
big show. That was That was fun man, It's great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
I mean we talk about these treasure hunts, you know,
between the two of us as well, but the community again,
getting people that live and breathe it like I mean
way more than we do. But that's the passion. It's
it's great just to find people that have passions in life.
You know, we love to find treasures, we love history,
we love searching for it, all that kind of stuff.

(01:26:18):
Just to you know, we're all the same people. It's
just just great guests.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Yeah, overall, I know that everything a Forest Fan video
on my channel, it was, you know, I get all
this feedback from all these searchers and everyone having this
different ideas and a lot of conspiracy theories. It's like, man,
it really opened me up to a larger community that
I was like, wow, you know, I touched a nerve
here that you know, I didn't know really was there.

(01:26:43):
And yeah, I mean I knew it was there from
watching Kalazar's you know, YouTube channel and stuff and even
back and watching back when you used to do the
coffee things, and you know, it just was amazing to
me how much how far that's stretched, you know what
I mean. And every I wouldn't do them a lot,
but every now and then I do a Forest Fan
video and it would just be like, you know, they
would just come out of the woodwork, you know, and

(01:27:04):
I'd be like, cool, So when I finally saw Calazar's
kind of growing and growing, growing and becoming sort of
the source, I thought it was perfect. I thought there's
there's no one better. So everyone go over and make
sure you check out his YouTube channel, check out the
Discord server, and even take a look at the Grand
Adventures on Facebook and go give them a look and
get that. You know, if you like what they're doing,
hit the subscribe button, tell him you saw him right

(01:27:26):
here on Relic Radio. That'd be great. I'm sure they'd
love to know how you found them, So go ahead
and do that. They would appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
I'm sure love it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Thanks, Chad, appreciate that, so good luck on her hunt.
Appreciate it. Yeah, what do you got going on?

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Not much.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
If you guys want to find me, I'm over on
fifty two eighty ventures over on YouTube, I'm on Rumble
on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram. Just put in fifty two eighty adventures.
Come check me out, you know, I'd like to have
a good time, make some comments. I love to chat
with you guys, and I've got some messages this week
from Bill in the chat there talk to Relic Jedi

(01:28:06):
who joins us so you know, have conversations with me,
you know, connect send me some of your fines. I
love seeing those and chatting with everybody. So and I
appreciate all of the new people that joined us this
this week here on Relux Radio. Stick around with We've
got lots of great guests from metal tuchting, treasure hunters,
bottle diggers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Uh, just on and on and on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
You know, we're all the same kind of people, same
kind of interests and uh, maybe you find something to
interest you'd love to have you hang out with us
in the chat or follow us on the replace.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Cool. Are we gonna dig anytime soon?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
I'd love to go digging.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
We're gonna be digging in two weeks for sure. I
don't know if we're gonna try and get out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
You got that week off.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
I bet we can find something to do that week.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
We'll get on it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
And then after after Rush of the Rockies, we'll go ahead.
When we come on the next Relicx Radio introduce ourselves
as the Masters of Metal Champions.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
There you go, that's coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
So that all right, Bud?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Then, Hey, everyone, thanks for joining us here on Relics Radio.
Had a fun night knew I would with with Mike
and Christy for sure. Make sure you go over there
and support them like you guys support us. And because
and if you're listening on the audio replay, if I
said the description, I'll have all the links and what
we talked about if you listen to that. And maybe
you're not into treasure hunting, but you have any questions,

(01:29:28):
drop me a line. My email is DK at adventures
in Dirt dot com. And you can find me at
Adventures in Dirt anywhere in social media. I mean, who
would have thought I'd be at my age and have
all this social media going on, But yeah, Adventures in
Dirt you can find me anywhere on the on social
media anywhere. But you know, go out this weekend, use
your metal tuch or find some amazing things and make

(01:29:49):
sure you tell me about it. I always like hearing
about the stuff you guys are finding out there. And
if you do, go out, be safe, have fun, and
we'll catch you next onnes here on Relics Radio. Have
a good night. Thank you so much for listening to
Relix Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
We will see you back here next week for another
exciting guest.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Until then, get out and dig it all

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