Michael Ayers and the Resurrection School

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Michael Airs.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Michael Ayers is a native of the Riverside community in
ford Worth, Texas, but currently resides in Houston, Texas. He
has also lived in Gulfport, Mississippi, and completed his undergraduate
studies at Tubulu College in Jackson, Mississippi. While at Tubalou College,
he earned a bachelor's degree in sociology. After receiving his
bachelor's degree, he went on to complete his graduate studies

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at the University of Houston Clear Lake, receiving a master's
degree in behavioral sciences with an emphasis in sociology. During
his time at Tubalou College, mister Ayers became the first
president of the first Junior Urban League chapter in Mississippi.
He was also honored as the first recipient of the
George and Ruth Owens Scholarship at the college. He has

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volunteered as a community organizer with Southern Echo, Inc. And
as a nineteen ninety one Kappa Alpha PSI ink initiate
Gamma Roe Chapter. He volunteered with Operation Schustring, community after
school program created and operated by the Gammacide chapter of
Delta Sigma Theta, Inc. And he has volunteered in the Houston,
Texas based organization Fresh Spirit Wellness for Women as a

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parenting coach. Currently, mister Ayers as a professor of sociology
at Houston Community College ware. In addition to his teaching duties,
he created and advises the Black Life Studies Club and
has sat on several committees to help foster the growth
and matriculation.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Of its students.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
In his spare time, he travels the country promoting the
Resurrection School, teaching and lecturing about the Blacks in the Bible.
Professor Ayers is also a very proud father to one
son deceased and grandfather of two twins, which one is deceased.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
So join me in welcoming mister Michael Ayres to Boss
Radio's Revolutionary podcast. How are you doing today, sir?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
I'm great, but man, thank you, I'm feeling good.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Great, great.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I am so so proud to have you on here.
We met at a Juneteenth festival.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Dia here Corpus Christia.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
That great?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
That is correct, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
And that pamphlet you gave me, it's so comprehensive. I
love it. It's a very good guide. So if you
did not know the knowledge that you that you quitting
that paper, you was well understanding of it by the
time you got through reading it. Tell me, like, what
inspired you about that?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Man?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
A long time ago, long time ago, were talking about
thirty years while I was a student at Tolulu College,
I became homeless and I'm sleeping on a friend's couch
and it's probably around one or two o'clock in the morning,
and a voice said to me get up and study Abraham. Now,

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if you got ministers that listen to you, they'll talk
about their calling. Then they can remember it precisely. Now,
I wouldn't call to preach. That's the message I got.
Get up and study Abraham, and just by studying Abraham,
that led me to discovering blacks in the Bible. Because
it's been going on for thirty years ongoing. I'm talking

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about this deep friend. It talks about a rabbit hole.
I've been down a rabbit hole ump umped team million times.
So that's that's how I got started. And that in
that that calling was my motivation and I can't let
go of it, man.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And that's right there as a motivation that we all
need because you know, not a lot of people understand.
Let no, let me start, let me rephrase that. A
lot of people don't even know that there's black people
in the Bible. Why why do you think that's that
that that's the case.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well, in UH sociology, we have a section of study
on the institutions, and one of the institutions of a
society is religion. And religion is a construct, meaning that
man created religion. Okay, so you think about Black Americans

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and their peculiar presence in this country. How did how
did we? How did they get their religion? They got
it their oppressor. So there's a there's a mantra that says,
Malcolm Ke says, only a fool would allow his oppressor
to teach his children. So if we understand that, would
your oppressor teach you that the religion that they are

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enforcing on you? And a book that says where your
religion is to come from is really a documented history
of who you are? Would your oppressor do that for you?
I think not? Because the religion is not forced to
The religion is constructed to control people, Okay, your morals,

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your your understanding of life, your belief system, and so
matter of fact, there's something called the dominant ideology. And
the third part of that ideology, well, just let me
tell you the dominant ideology. It's a set of cultural
beliefs and practices that helps the dominant groups and their

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institutions in a society to maintain powerful social, economic and
political interests, maintain control of wealth and property and this
is the one why I'm telling you this, and to
control the means of producing beliefs about reality through religion,
media and education. So that's a triple death threat on

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Black Americans and any other so called minority that does
not have a power base. You are getting everything that
you think is real from your oppressor. So go back
to Malcolm X saying, only a fool would allow his
enemy to teach his children. He was talking to us.
We have to take what they said is about them

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flipping around, But we just can't flip it around. We
got to do the research because the devil will lie
to you in your face and have you believe in
what they want you to believe. I just so happened,
and we'll go down that rabbit hole and discover, oh, wow,
this ain't about white people at all. All of the
signs includes the definitions, the encyclopedias. You know they the

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devil writes all this stuff down because he has to
remember it too. This stuff is pointing to us, and
they didn't want to know. We were the ones at
the head and they were the ones.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
In the bottom.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Wow, they managed to flip it. So here we are.
And that goes to also why a lot of black
people don't know and I'll add this one, A lot
of them don't want to believe that the majority of
the people in the Bible are black.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Man.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's yeah, that's a very sad reality. It's like we
can't believe that we could be better or greater than
anything that we have already accomplished, and we limit ourselves
from the jump. But that knowledge, like people just aren't
going to wake up tomorrow and just know this knowledge.

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So it's safe to say that you are in the
process of disseminating this knowledge, getting this knowledge out there.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
But brother, I've been doing it for twenty five thirty
years now, whoever will listen. That's why you saw me
at the Juneteenth festival. Instead of enjoining the festivities, I
was working.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Right exactly now, weld tell me what exactly in terms
of what you actually do to get this information into
the ears of people like me.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, like I said at the Juneteenth celebration, it's really
me passing out little tidbits like that and hoping that
somebody will you know, read, or engage in a conversation
and engage in the research for themselves. The other part
is having people like you seek me out. And I'm

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just glad that you you decide to holler at me
while I was there, Yes, the spot he passed out
over two hundred two hundred pamphlets at that and maybe
four or five people uh sought me out again because
I was making the rounds and they would say, Hey,
I was just reading this, what what what do you

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think about this? Or explain this part? So you know,
it's got to be that each one reach one, so
each one they teach one.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Now, is resurrection school like a brick and mortar school?

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Is when will I have to travel to get to
a certain position on the globe in order to get there?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Or you do online or and things of that nation.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
I have not done online. But what I am is
a traveling lecturer outside of my you know, school duties.
And what I do is I come to teach. So
whenever I come to teach, it's cool time.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Already. I hear that you make sure y'all got y'all
pain and pad out. Man, y'all if y'all if we're
gonna give y'all twenty seconds right now to go get
that pen and pad you feel because you're finna learn
something because we're finna get into it now. In my studies,
not my study, but when I was researching the Resurrection School, uh,
and uh, it's some information that you gave me two

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names popped up, and I wonder almost wondering if you
can explain these two names, because I see one of
them is the theorists Emil Drkhim and the other one
is theorist Robert K.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Merton.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I probably saying those names wrong. If so, please correct me.
But tell me about who these people are.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Okay, Dirt, Kime and Merton are classical theorists in sociology.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Sociology is the study of group behavior and the study
of the societal social structure. Okay, So these two theorists
they you know, and let me let me put this
in here. They're white guys. So when we study in
the United States, we we have to we have to
study where white people are giving us. Okay, that doesn't

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mean that we don't have the power to read between
the lines, because a lot of times when folks are
giving us stuff, they're also giving us the truth. So
Emil dirkhim he felt that sociologist has studied social facts
such as laws, customs, institutions, and organizations because they control us.

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Think about that, we have seven institutions in our society, family, religion,
the economy, the government, education of the media, and one
other that I'm leaving out. But here's the point. Try
going through your day not needing either one of those

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and you cannot do it. And they're like I said,
there are institutions. And when we're born, we know nothing.
So the first institution that we are affected by is
of course the family. Every society has this, all right.
Every society has these institutions. Okay, Now, when you get

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to around five or six years old, even before that,
if your parents are religious, they're taking you to church
and you going to something called Sunday school, right yeah,
and somebody and so they're your religion is teaching you.
All right. You go on about five or six years old,

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the next institution that your parents take you to is school.
That's the educational system, all right. Then they and here
here as a late to get you to get out
of their hair. They'll give you a little phone or
a little tablet or something. And that's the media. And
a lot of people like we're engaged in media right now.
Media is teaching us that we don't have to be

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together to know each other, but you do need to
be together to know each other. So you got a
lot of people like this platform. We're we're getting to
know each other, but we're not together, so we don't
really know each other. We just know the persona that
each other is given off. Uh, you can't do anything

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without the government. Now, this last couple of weeks, we're
seeing all of the political mumbo jumbo going on, the
laws that they're creating. Remember their com said, the custom
and the laws. You don't see any black people out
here making laws. This is just the white people, the
people that are the dominant group in this country. Uh,

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you can't do anything without money. That's the economy, all right.
You you, you, You and I were probably taught as
a young person asking your parents for money all the time. Boy,
money don't grow on what where? Where you get the
money from? So all these institutions they control us. Okay. Now,

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he also came up with something. It was called anime
A n O m I E. And he said that
that is when people in the society's customs and rules
start to become blurred. Their norms, what they think is
normal become blurred. These people experience something called anime. And

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you can tell when a community is under anime because
there will be violence, they'll be crime, and then there'll
be suicide. And we're not talking about bodily suicide. We're
talking about you killing your community. Nobody wants to come
there and work. Nobody wants to open up a business

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and work. So if there's a lot of poverty and
crime there, more than likely the community is already dead
and it killed itself. Wow. And this is a part
where black people don't like like to hear. We have
to stop killing ourselves because that's suicide. One. We're not

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one body, like a person just killing elf. We are
a community and we're killing ourselves, and we're killing ourselves
in a multiplicity of ways. We're not talking about just
a crime. We're talking about not raising the child right
or disciplining them when they need discipline. We're not taking
responsibility for our surroundings. It's somebody else's fault. That's suicide.

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We're looking for somebody else to do something for us.
When we have the power. Think the scripture says, greater
is he that is in you than he that is
in the world. You can start where you are making
your community better. But here again, each one has to
reach one and then each one has to teach one.
Because there's a lot of stuff that we don't know.
Now the other guy you tell asking him about theorist

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Robert K. Merton. Now he brought up this concept called labeling. Okay,
So the LGBT community will love this, all right. Everything
that we are known by is a label, and everybody

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wants to try to control their label, okay, But it's
the dominant group that controls everybody's labels. Yeah, you and
I and my people that are here in the room
with me, we're not black. That's a label, preach. Okay. Now,
if you go to the Webster's dictionary created by a

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white guy about the English language, it'll say under black
a lot of negative stuff, and it'll say of or
pertaining to the culture of African Americans. Right, But then
but then when you go over to white, it's all
this wonderful stuff. You know, angel food, cag or, there's

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one of my favorite entries. Is not intended to cause harm? Now,
why would something white be defined as not intended to
cause harm? Which that's telling us if you are labeled
as white and you go by white, you're going to
cause what harm? You just don't intend to.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's in a sense, they don't take it the wrong way.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
And they have. And my other favorite entry under white
has to do with the chess, the game of chess. Yes,
this is now, this game of chess is under the
label white. Everybody knows that plays chess. It's a game
of strategy. It's a thinking man's game. It's not under black,

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it's under white. So what is that? What is that
subconsciously doing? If you're not white, you probably don't do
what two things very well, strategize and think right and
and then the other thing is with this, with this
type of game or this definition, it's letting you know

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that if you're not white, you can't even be considered
a major player in such activities as thinking and strategizing.
So I give due credit whereas do this. These two theorists,
Emil dirt Khin and Robert K. Merton, enlightened me on

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some things. Now. The other thing with Burton, he says,
in order for anime to dissipate in a society, that
society must have goals g O A L S. In
other words, you can't just be sitting around thinking about
doing something. You have to actually plan it out and

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go do it. If you don't have goals, and and
nobody to attain to those goals, then you're going to
have anime. There's gonna be a lot of crime, violence,
and suicide. So I give credit to those two, those
two white guys, for bringing me out of some dust
and looking at my society. My people, like I think

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we're suffering from anime. These brothers out here Onton, they
don't have any goals. This is why they're committing crimes.
This is why they're killing each other. They somebody has
put it in their mind and mind as well. Back
in the day, there's nothing for us to do except
play sports wherever we can, or entertain telling jokes, rapping,

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et cetera, et cetera, and whatever. And if we do
attain to anything, it's usually going to be something on
the lower realms of the morality scale. Yeah, and then
and then we think we shine it. Okay, Well, remember
under that definition of white, strategize and think and pay.

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The first thing you gotta do is pay it. Tell
what label are you going by? And who gave you
that label?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
That's the biggest thing right there. Who gave you that label?

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Because when you was born, the first memory you have
of any self identification is you saying you're black.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Who told you that?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Because I know when I went to school, we had
to pick a black crayon for a certain section of
the coloring book, and we had to use a brown
crayon for a certain section of the color and book.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
And if I use that black crayon, what a brown
crayon was? I? It was wrong? Oh wow, you feel
so we have gotten into See.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I like to teach you about connotative and denotative linguistics,
and we know that conty. If you know anything about
connotative and denotator, you know connotative is where you say
something but the words you say does not convey the
idea you're trying to portray, such as when we say

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we're black, we think we're talking about our skin. But
that's like you just explained, it has nothing to do
with dad. It's a complete label. I found out the
hard way. I ordered my birth record. All it was
for years, I had nothing but my birth certificate. I
ordered my birth record. I have a hard time explaining

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the people that on my birth record it says that
I'm white. And at first I was confused, Is it
because of my granddad because my dad's dad is Irish? No,
they didn't know about my dad's dad because my dad
didn't know he was my dad until a couple of
years after.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
I was born.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Okay, so why did they put that white? Well, it
turns out my family history goes back to North Africa
and on Federal Director fifteen of the O and B
that describes these labels, that tells you what these labels
are for anybody that's from Anyone who's from North Africa
is considered white.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Doesn't matter about this game complex so we have.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's when you look at history with this Transatlantic slave trade,
and they got most of the slaves from like West Africa,
and they was kickingnapped from East Africa, in South Africa,
in the southern part of Africa. They didn't come from
North Africa. So they wanted to make a clear division

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between who was labeled black and who wasn't. So you
have to take that into They teach you this in history.
This is something that you learn in fifth grade. So
with that being said, since this is common knowledge, how
do you first first explain to us what culture is

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through a sociological aspect and then explain how with that
being with that information that I was just saying about
what we learned in fift grade history. How do you
break that culture in order to get it back to
the of pure culture.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
First off, in sociology, our definition of culture is it's
the way of life of a society, and society is
that place where you live and work.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Okay, So in the United States you have several cultures,
but then you have the dominant culture. So when people
from other countries think about the United States or America,
they already have a picture in their head about what
life would be like here. But then when they move here,

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they'll see different group of people seemingly operating together in
a you know, sometimes in a conflicted part of way,
sometimes in a structural functional type way. And you can
ask some of these people when they come here from
other countries, this is not what I thought America would

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be like. Doesn't everybody in America have is everybody rich?
Or doesn't everybody have the opportunity to be rich? That's
what they wanted you to believe, But that's not exactly
what goes on here right right and our and that's
our culture. Those of us that have been living here, see,

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we know the culture of the United States, but other
people they just know what the United States government has
projected to them, on what media has projected to them.
You know, we think about it. This year in the Olympics,
there's going to be break dancing as an a Olympic sport. Yes,

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I see one black person, okay, And you got all
these people from all these other countries that how do
how do you know anything about break dancing? And why
and why was that your focus? Right? You know? Uh,

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there there's I mean, there's been an other situation about music. Uh,
the Afro beats or the Caribbean beats or what we
call Latin Latin beats, that's all. When people hear that,
they think, oh Hispanics, Well, you gotta go down a
rabbit hole. You're gonna find out that the and Golan

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slaves brought Mexico its rhythm. Yep, those are black people.
But nobody wants to go back that far because uh,
then we'll have to start talking about slaves. Yes, and
these people they were just living their life in a

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bad situation because that was their culture.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Exactly what you got.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
But you start mixing and come all the way now
and you got everything going on that's cultural. The way
you speak. Uh, you know, years ago, when I was young,
they started talking about something called ebonics because they wanted
to try to reach as many African American young people
as they possibly could. But there were black people and

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then there are other people's No, that's that's that's the
talk of ignorant folks. I said, well, levonics is not
to talk of ignorant people. Evonics is a accent. See,
nobody wants to talk about why we break our rs
or lead certain letters off of certain English words. English
is not our original language, so as we've grown up,

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we're passing on the language. The dominant group is labeled
it slain, but we we still see it as English.
But then you invite your friend over this white or
Asian and they're trying to listen, and you talk to
your brother between you and your mama, and they're like,
what did you just say? She just asked, little what
are we going to eat? You know? Want to eat?
You know? And and and they're depending on wherever you

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go in the United States among black people, our dialect,
our accents are going to be different. You know, talking
with my friend the other day about somebody trying to
figure out if they were from Texas and talking about
the the way Black Texans talk. But then right next
door in Louisiana, you got a bunch of black people,

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but they have they have the European accent of French. Yes,
so they're they're you know, ending sentences like it's a question,
mm hmm, and a lot of times nobody, you know,
you can't talk to them because they have their own
little language. They know what they're talking about. And if
you have it, you have a long standing interaction with them,

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you now know what they're talking about. I got several
friends from Louisiana, you know, and I don't. I can't
understand everything they're saying, but I know enough for us
we can walk down the street together. Right. But that's culture. Right,
you go out to California, they gotta they got a
way of talking. And we're talking about black people now

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whose ancestors are brought here as as slaves but spread
out and now we're we've created our own little culture.
And they call it black culture. Well again, that's a label,
because no, you have West Coast culture, you have Third
Coast culture, you have Caribbean culture, you have East Coast culture,

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you even have h North and Midwest culture. But they
don't want that. They don't want the multiplicity. They want
just the one label. Yeah, they say, all that's black people.
They they're speaking gibbery, they're speaking you know. But hell,
most black people we understand each other. Wherever we're from.
Give us five minutes with each other, we say, Okay,

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I bet we'll know that. You'll know that they're not
from around where we are, and vice versa. But we
can communicate. Which in Africa, I think that's how the
Swahili language came into play. To all the different tribes,
people and nation when they come together to the market,
they had one language they could use to communicate. They

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didn't want that here in America. They didn't want ebonics
because ebonics would have been the one language we would
have all been speaking to bring us together. Right. So
that's that's how the culture comes into play, because you
got all these different components of culture and we're still isolated.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah. I was just about to ask, how do we
get off that island?

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Man? We what's what's the mon for the day? Each
one reached one and then each one teachs one. That's
how you that's how we get off this island, or
we become less isolated from one another, you know, and
once we do that, we might see that we're all
about the business of being great. If that's what your

(30:19):
business is about, you about the business of being foolishness
and trying to kill somebody and go back to jail.
We have to actually speak to those brothers and sisters
with that mindset, with that heart, with that spirit that's
in them, because that's what I believe it is. Because
you can't tell me that a young brother likes being
in prison. Right now, it's around my whole bunch of men.

(30:44):
You know. I grew up with two other brothers, and well,
one of my brothers come home, take them shoes off,
we clear the house, and I said, I know, dang goodwill.
Prison ain't different many times working and you talking about
you don't mind going back, and it's something wrong with you.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Very much, very much. They call it institutionalive.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
One of the things that they killed us with that
we read about it in history, how they came over here,
they infected all the indigenous people with small pots, using
blankets and things of that nature. And we think, since
they're not doing that anymore, that they cannot poison us anymore,
that they can't contaminate us. Man, They do it every day,
all day us. They got us bent over a barrel
at this point, without food, without water, education system is trash.

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Then with the education being trash, they forced you inside
for the most part of the day where the sun
is outside, knowing that we are beings of the sun
and we don't get our full vitamin D. All of
these plays are told into actually keeping us from reaching
that full attainment or attaining that full greatness that you
were speaking of. Now, I see that you wrote two books,

(31:50):
and I haven't had that chance. I want to be
want to get the chance to read them, but I
haven't had a chance to read them yet. But it
looks like, from the looks of it, it's starting to
help break that spell. You have one book called Discovering
Blacks in the Bible, which we've already touched on. But
you have another one called Words from a Wise Elder. Yes,

(32:12):
it's playing that book to me, and then give me
some examples of what you do with those projects in
order to try to edify us.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
All right, well, wise elder is you know I grew
up in the church and here up until about five
or six years ago, I was in church all the time,
not listening to every preacher, but listening to certain preachers,
and I noticed what they were doing with things in

(32:43):
the Bible. Okay, uh, you know the teachings, and they
would they would give you scripture. If you if anybody
out there goes to church in Baptist church, you'll see this.
You go to church, pastor will come out. Everybody stands up.
That's that's also in the Bible, and he'll he'll read
a scripture to you, okay, and say okay, y'all sit down,

(33:06):
and then he'll start to break down that scripture. So
that's that's how the birth of words from a wise
elder came to me. I said, I got some scriptures
that nobody talks about a whole lot in the Black church,
or they don't teach it correctly in my opinion, and
I have studied. So whereas from I'll do the script

(33:28):
you know, here's here's the example, which one I want
to talk to you about two nations, all right, and
I have this this quoted the tears and the wheat.
These are and these are scriptures. These are different scriptures,
but listen, I put them in a context. But you

(33:51):
can break them down, and they'll still be in their
same context. Okay, yes, you, says the Queen of the
South shall rise up in the judgment with this generation
and shall condemn it. And the Lord said unto her,
two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of
people shall be separated from thy bowels. And the one

(34:14):
people shall be stronger than the other people, and the
elder shall serve the younger. All right, But while men slept,
his enemy came and sewed, as owed tears among the wheat,

(34:39):
and went his way. Let both grow together until the harvest.
And in the time of harvest, I will say to
the reapers, gather ye together, first the tears, and buying
them in bundles to burn them. But gather the wheat

(35:00):
into thy barn. Now that's one, two, two chapters out
of the Bible, Matthews and Genesis. What I start doing
is looking in the society, and I start giving a
small brief and I do really mean small and breathed commentary.
But this one. There's a book called the Vanishing Middle Class,

(35:23):
Prejudice and Power in a Dual Economy. He draws the portrait.
This author draws the portrait of a new reality in
a way that is frightening, indelibly clear. America is not
one country anymore. It is becoming two, each with vastly
different resources, expectations, and faiths. And then I go in

(35:48):
and say, a wise elder wants you to know, and
I start breaking those scriptures down. Number one, the black
woman is the mother of all humans. She is condocy
queen mother. When the mothers of the earth, as black
women stand up in the home and the community, our
children have a head start on things like empathy, sympathy,

(36:09):
and love. She holds the key. That's number one that
a wiselda wants you to know out of this scripture,
because scripture says when she's gonna stand up one day
and said enough of this foolishness. The mother is the
first teacher, the first nurturer of any human being. If

(36:29):
her foundation is not solid, what kind of foundation do
you think that child's gonna grow up to have. It's
gonna be messed up. Second, a wise elder wants you
to know. About seventy six percent of public school teachers
were female and twenty four percent were male in twenty seventeen.

(36:50):
In twenty eighteen, with a lower percentage of male teachers
at the elementary school level, then at the secondary st
school level, what you're gonna end up having is a
comparison between role models between black students and white students

(37:13):
who or the children listen to mostly they listen to
black men. They listen to black women mostly. We're talking
about even into their adulthood. So if the black man
can't hold his proper leadership place in the community, then
you what you end up having is a bunch of
people that do not listen to the authority of anybody.

(37:36):
Because right now black women haven't stood up yet. They
got it in their mind that black men are oppressing
them like white men were oppressing white women. And that's
not the case because the dominant group in this country
is white people, and they're oppressing both of us. And

(38:01):
so we have no stability in the home. First time
marriages in fifty percent in Christian households with the woman
being the main one to file for the divorce, and
the number one reason has been money. This is stats. Well,

(38:22):
if forty seven percent of our men are ended up
in prison or under the penal system, do a woman
want a guy that's a convicted felon a man that's
been to jail. Secondly, where is he gonna work? Most
of the women nowadays want a brother with six figures?

(38:43):
What former inmate you know in this country? And saying
there aren't any. I just said, which ones you know?
Then to prison? Come out, make six figures? No that
that that that's not reality. Remember that now that they're
trying to control what you think is real. So you

(39:04):
got a lot of sisters and sisters. I'm sorry it
might sound like I'm getting on you, but I'm just
talked from talking about the brothers. We have to realize
and recognize the oppression. We are still under rights. Most
of the resources that come down from the dominant group
goes to the black woman. And we've gotten the twenty

(39:26):
twenty four And you got a lot of sisters saying
they don't need what.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Men black men there you go, black men that not
just men.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
And I'm not I used to be against interracial relationships
and all that, and you know what I'm saying, And
to me, I'm all like, you know, whatever, if if
a black paper, a black person procreates that, y'all is
going to be black or heal heavily Melani. But to
turn your back on the other half of yourself is

(39:57):
just self defeating and it's a form of a insanity
in itself. Through that, like, what kind of advice do
you have? Not just like you said, you've got them
the black men, You've got them black women.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
How do we pull together?

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Now?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
What is that we're missing in order to be able
to see each other as one part of the whole?

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Mm hmmm, Well, since I have uh intimate intimate knowledge
of that, the you know, the two times that I've
had I didn't say, well, not unless they have to
deal but faced with having a family member that's not black,
it's it's on. It's going on two times. Now. You

(40:44):
need if you're a black person and you're dating a
white person, you need them to understand their ancestors role
in our behaviors or perceived behaviors. If you are a
if you and we flip it, if you are a
black person, might I might be saying the same thing
for the black person. You have to understand that at

(41:06):
any given time that let's say, white person can flip on,
you can switch it up, and it's because of their privilege.
You gotta be careful dating a member of the dominant group.

(41:28):
And I'm gonna put it like this, It's almost like
wanting to dance with the devil but not expecting to
get burned. And I'm speaking speaking allegorical, because you know
the devil is supposed to be a hot person. You
know they can fire all of that. Well, you can't.
You can't dance with the devil and not expect to
get burnt. That works both ways. I've been put it

(41:51):
like that. It works both ways with the white person
with the black and black person with the white. So
both of you guys have to understand the society that
we are living in and be real about it. And
then if you come together with that understanding that hey,
we can traverse this together. You gotta be one nd

(42:13):
solid on that.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Right, You're dead right.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
And with that being said, once you understand yourself and
you understand the enemy, then finding like minded individuals amongst
other races is going to be easy.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
But with the concept of okay.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
So right, right right, I want to throw this at
you because the stats going around saying that white people
are doing the Lincoln off more and more every year,
and it's mainly because they have they have recessive genes.
They don't have dominant we have dominant genes.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
What like that. If the average if the average person
understood that, man, we that will probably solve half of
our problems. Remember those definitions they'll have They'll have you
thinking that black man, they're controlling your reality about what
you think and believe. They'll have you thinking black is recessive.

(43:16):
But biology says the gene with no melon it is
the recessive gene. And like you said, it's hard for
them to reproduce that. This is well documented, man, you
brought you brought that up. This is well documented. But
if you're not trying to study or read or nothing
like that, this is brand new information to you. But

(43:38):
they've been talking about this will shoot forty fifty, sixty,
seventy years.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Right, And you can see the urgency, the sense of
urgency in it now. I mean, didn't they killed more
people and more black people in the past fifteen years.
That's comparable to the fifty six season in the seventies.
So that should be a very big red flag. And

(44:04):
we're looking at things totally different, totally wrong with us
looking at things. Oh, they hate us simply because our
skin is black. We're not actually attached to the actual
core of what's really going on. And until we attack
the actual core of what's really going on, we're not
going to see a way out. What is the way

(44:27):
that we can get that to them?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Uh? Okay from the shoes that I'm in, you got
you gotta study, you gotta find you ope, you gotta
find you a woke professor. Remember there's remember there's the
anti woke campaign now then, so it all depends on
who you want to believe. You want to believe somebody
that's well awake and aware of what's happening, or do

(44:52):
you want the people to promoting your sleep continuance, which
you one, because when you sleep, what do you know?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Nothing?

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Nothing, But when you are awake or woke, you are
aware of what's happening. So each one reach one, and
then each one gotta teach one.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
That's what the boys down.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
And it's painful because it's a lot of us that
don't want to be woke the various things.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
And my advice to everybody that's listening, if you have
this knowledge and you're putting this knowledge out there, don't
argue with anybody with this knowledge. The Bible says if
you argue with a fool, two fools are arguing.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Well, Bible also say they if they don't want to listen,
just take your shoes off, shake the dust off, turn
around and walk away.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
We've lost a lot of people trying to get this
information out there by people that looked like us. You know,
Malcolm X tooking out by somebody who looked like us. Yes, sir,
we should be able to see right now that we
have a lot of enemies within our own This this
is how we fail because we always ask, man, if

(46:14):
you look at the whole world, there's more black people
than it is white people. While we feel well because
some of your black people wanted to be white, thank you,
and again using those connotative words, but you get what
I'm saying, like, we have to understand that not all
skin focused kin folks.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Well that's right.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
So well, oh I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
No, I'm saying I'm green with that's correct.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
So with that being said, you have the Resurrection School.
Resurrection School is in charge of getting disseminating this information, right, Yes, sir,
what other adventures can we see coming from the Resurrection School, Like,
let's say I wanted to volunteer.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
How can I volunteer?

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Well, like I said, I just I just travel. But
I'm also looking for people that are willing to be
taught how to discover blacks in the Bible and how
to break down certain scriptures from there, you know from
from the perspective that the Resurrection School has. Okay, I

(47:25):
invite people to say, hey, professor, I love for you
to teach, or come teach a group, and then I
can establish a group in somebody else's city like Corpus CHRISTI,
or in like rowing Over, Virginia or wherever, and we
can build from there and much much so like the
Nation of Islam got started. Hear in America, they went

(47:48):
and established temples. This is not a religion. I'm just
trying to get this information. I'm trying to get black
people to start reading the Bible from a different perspective
than what we were taught. That's all I'm doing. I'm
not trying to be a leader of a movement or anything.
This is my calling. And since, like I said, I'm

(48:09):
a sociologist, but when I but being in the church
at the same time and then coming across things in sociology,
I just it just was a marriage made in heaven
for me. I became more motivated for both of those studies,
both of those fields. You know, Like I said, I
don't go to church anymore. I see it as a

(48:30):
waste of time because they're not teaching about blacks. And
if they do mention somebody's black, it's like a it's
an into a joke right now, y'all know, y'all know
the Hebrews was black because they complained about everything. Ha
ha ha ha. And I'm like, you know, let's start

(48:50):
yeah at all said, yeah, Like, if you really knew,
you wouldn't make jokes about it. You'd be making goals
and plans to get your people about it. This messed
up society that we live in.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Right and for us, Yeah, sat here again.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
We're not I'm not talking about going out shooting white people,
killing white people, or not even associated with them. I'm
talking about building ourselves up as a community.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Right and even as a nation if need be.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
As a nation, if need be. And and I mean
it's it's so like I said, man, the rabbit hole
is deep because it is behind for was it for
five hundred years in the Western hemisphere. Wow, yep, we
behind five hundred years.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
When we were the leaders five hundred years ago.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
How far.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
I was telling them, my telling my classes are to
every semester, I run these films, and I talked to them.
I said, now, why would you risk talking about the
the English, the Europeans? Why would you risk jumping in
a boat and traveling across a massive body of water
with a hope that something may be over there for you?

(50:14):
That tells me that where you're coming from has nothing,
and yet risking your life to find something is much
better than staying where you were. And then when you
get to wherever you are, instead of humbling yourself and saying, oh, okay,
there are people here doing stuff I might need to
learn from them, you want to go take over and

(50:35):
institute your way of life. Remember where you're coming from
was worth the risk of leaving, But now you want
to bring everything with you. Well, why not just stay
where you are and keep it where you are? See,
we don't think like that. Nope, their explorers, you know,

(50:57):
I'm like, Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
They were greedy and murderous, exactly.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
They killed everybody that wouldn't help.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Them exactly, So we have to think about that, well, Michael,
tell people how they can get in touch with you.
They trying to start something in their city. Where do
they reach out? On Facebook, phone number, email.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I have a website right now. It's called ww dot
Your Resurrection, uh dot dot com. I might have sent
it to you. I think I did send them that link.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
To you and to all my listeners out there. If
you look at the description, you'll see the link in
the description.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
All right, all right, and when they first come on, uh,
there's a picture of a Bible that's really a video.
You gotta click on the little the little horn icon
and I swear for me, it's very moving. But I
just want people to know that, you know, I created right.
I was very proud of being able to do that.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
So we definitely gonna get out a shot.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I look at right now if you click on the
little horn on that pictures as a little song plan
and I think it's very apropos You know, we gotta
we gotta leave some stuff, right right. We gotta leave
some stuff and move into some things.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
And when I speak revolution, I'm talking about revolution of
the mind. I'm not talking about guns unless it's to
protect your family. Shoot too the way, But I'm not
talking about throwing overthrowing governments because we are nowhere near that.
We five hundred years behind. We have to establish an
identity exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Man, Well, that's the message that we push here on
revolutionary hours.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
So that means you're going to be back on here
more and.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
More because your message aligns with everything that we believe
in over here. So we are more than happy to
have you here, and we cannot wait to get in
and actually dye today. Set those two books of yours,
especially the Blacks in the Bible, because that's gonna be
an eye opener that's gonna change a whole game plan

(53:22):
for a lot of.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Us out there.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yes, definitely, definitely thank you for joining us here today.
Is there anybody you want to give a shout out to?
Any more information or events that you want to put
out there for people?

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Man, let me give a shout out to the ladies
of Delta Sigma Theta the Gama said chapter at Tugalou College.
They're doing great things back in the day. I don't
know what them sisters are doing now, just assume they
still doing great things. I want to give a shout
out first and foremost to cap out Aside Fraternity Incorporated.

(53:54):
I'm your new I'm doing what Newkes are supposed to do.
My family, I told y'all. I know it didn't look
I know it looked like I was going crazy at
one point, but hey, look at me now, right, that's
all that's and and and I'm hoping to get more
of my family members involved. My son before he uh

(54:16):
met his met his uh death man, he was coming around.
He called me up, Dad, I was reading something he
wrote and can you tell me more about this?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (54:26):
The first time he inquired man, our conversation took like
three hours, and it was like from two in the
morning to four o'clock in the morning. And I was
so proud, happy father that it was something that I
said a lot of some alum issalama lakeam to a
young lady and asked her what she from Sudan because
of the way she was dressing.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
She was like, oh yes, sir, someone continue to it.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
And my son was like, Dad, what was that language
you was talking to that lady? And what where? Where?
What do you what's a Soudan? Now it was he
was maybe a teenager this time, seventeen eighteen, and I
told him, and like I said, that turned into a
three or four hour conversation about the Blacks and the Bible.
And so he just he just started calling me asking me.

(55:11):
And he came to a school that I did at
Tugalu College and he said, Dad, that was awesome. You
think you come? You can come to Arkansas and do that.
I said, yes, son, you get it set up, I'll
be there, and so we were working on that. But
he but he you know, he's dying in the car craft.
So I'm against drunk driving. Okay. So but he was

(55:35):
on his way and I said, trying to get more
of my family involved, more of my close friends involved. Ah,
And like I said, this is there's nothing to join.
This is a This is just the rearranging of your
perspective of the Bible and your belief system when it

(55:56):
comes to a deity. Okay, A lot of stuf up
in the Bible is allegory and and and again for me,
greater is he that's in me? And then Psalms eighty two,
verse six, you are God's Oh wait a minute, so
you're telling me I can do great things if I
just dig deep within me and let that what's within

(56:20):
me come out. I can do great things. But I'm
but I'm just a man, right. But as a man,
you are a god, y'all. Y'all know Michael Jordan is
y'all know Michael Jordan is number twenty three.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
You got a basketball.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
There you go. That's it, brother. You hit it dead
on the head because when we talk about basketball, that's
who we talk about. That's the man that comes to
mind of God on the basketball court and say, you
gotta everybody is listening the sound of my voice, whatever
talent gift you have, you gotta be a god over that.

(57:02):
You know, nobody's calling you to be a god of everything.
Starts to speak, But you do need to change your
language when you talk to yourself. You can change yourself
just by talking to yourself differently. If you start speaking
like a god to you in the mirror, you will
eventually become who you say you're going to be, who

(57:24):
you're gonna become.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yep, I've done it, and see that's all you have
to do.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
And I was like, nobody will be able to call
me stupid again because I know I study and read
and dissect. I am a god of what I do.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Exactly, Man, this was a phenomenal conversation. I love every
bit of it. I am so happy we have met.
We got a lot of work to do in the future,
bro for we got a lot of work. So we
definitely definitely gonna get that taken care of. We're about

(58:00):
to come to the end and I want to go
ahead and do the conclusion before we actually run out
of time. But this has been, like I said, a
wonderful interview here with Michael Ayres. He has the Resurrection School.
You can look him up on your resurrection dot com.
Correct correct already, and sir, it was a blessing.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
We're definitely gonna have you back on.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
We're gonna dissect those books and get this information disseminated
it out to the people because it's, like you say,
it's time to revolutionize that mind. Already, everybody, this is
revolutionary hour here on bo West, says radio.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Y'all already know what it is.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Tune in, turn up and zone out, find Resurrection School,
look on you for social media and follow Let's get
this knowledge.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Baby, you heard that already, all right

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Thank you man,

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