August 18, 2025 • 60 mins
Right Thinking with Steve Coplon | Guest: Lefford Fate
This week's show is called "Everybody Speaks with Guest Lefford Fate." Tune in and hear Steve and Lefford discuss Lefford’s new book that deals with the fact that everyone has a voice and should be able to freely express it. What is holding you back? This conversation will greatly help you bring your voice forth.
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This week's show is called "Everybody Speaks with Guest Lefford Fate." Tune in and hear Steve and Lefford discuss Lefford’s new book that deals with the fact that everyone has a voice and should be able to freely express it. What is holding you back? This conversation will greatly help you bring your voice forth.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
There must be lies burning brighter somewhere.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Got to be birds.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Why I am hi.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Sky, Good morning, welcome to Right Thinking with Steve Copeland.
I'm your host, Steve Copeland, and thank you for tuning in.
Let's have a great day. Good morning, everybody, glad to
be with you. Well, you know, we're in our countdown
of shows now to get into the two hundredth show
(00:47):
that Right Thinking with Steve Copeland has aired, and this
is the one and ninety seventh show. And so the
guest that I'm bringing on is one of my most
He's made the show the success that it is, and
I introduced him in a second. You'll know that's true,
y'all say, whoa, Thanks for bringing him back. So what
I'm going to tell you, I got this lineup right now,
(01:08):
and the person's coming on in a second that it's
a surprise. But next week after this, Robin Casargan's coming
back on, and then after Robin, my wife Donna's coming on,
and then the two hundred show, Jim Stowball's coming on.
So we got we got a beautiful line up here,
and I feel I feel successful. I feel really good
(01:28):
about what we've been doing. And it's all because of
all of you that have given me the encouragement by
by saying that keep doing it. Steve, you know you
got something good here. So with that said, today's show
is episode one ninety seven, Right Thinking with Steve. Copeland
is very pleased to announce that this week's show was
called Everybody Speaks with guests Leffert Fate tune in and
(01:50):
here Steve and Leffert discussed Leffert's new book that deals
with the fact that everyone has a voice and should
be able to freely express it. What is holding you back?
This conversation will help you greatly to bring your voice forth, Leffort,
I love you, Thanks for being with me. I'm glad
to be with you today.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
What's up brother, how you've been man?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm excited. I'm excited because because you know, we talked
the other day and I just think that I think
that a lot of times, you know, it's cloudy outside,
but then that sun comes through and then it's like, wow,
you know, you kind of forgot what it's like. If
it's been like a lot of storms for a long time,
and we all been going through a lot of storms,
you know, we we can get into any level of
(02:33):
where the storms are in this world right now. But
one thing that you and I share in common is
we ain't about this world. We're about the Kingdom, and
so whatever's going on in this world, we're going to
go through, continue to do the best we can, trying
to help one another, love our brothers and sisters. Is
that correct, Leffort?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But see, Steve, you need to start with that because
you always tee some stuff up to take me somewhere else.
The reality is the son is always there. That's beautiful
and as you in, but I almost stay with the
sun versus the s O N because you'll have me
preach in And that's not what this is about today.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, it kind of is, Leffort, because you just did
what you always do. You know, Leffort, I can't tell
you right off the top of my head, but you
have been my guest in one way or another. Now,
what I mean by that is is that you have
a several of your own programs and design your empowered year.
We spent a year doing that with Mizziel and John
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and five U and y'all invited me to be kind
of like the host that kind of be the moderator,
and and I did. I did a whole year of
working with you all on your program, and that program
was so powerful. My wife and I did it together
with you. Uh you know. It was kind of based
on Maslow's hierarchy of needs and understanding life and awareness
and things and moving forward. It was a lot of
(03:57):
beautiful stuff. But we had we had four shows on
that probably twelve shows combined with the four of you
that were on as guests separately. It was like spin offs.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
We did a lot of stuff together that I brought
in each one of you, But you did probably twelve
or thirteen shows with me, just you coming on board.
And every time you're on board, my wife loves me
more because you always bring some beautiful stuff out that
She's just glad that I was able to bring you
on to share what you've got. Yeah, I'm kissing up
(04:28):
to you for a reason because you're real. Not only
are you real, you're four You like that. That's good.
What I'm referencing here is I've got a curriculum and
I've got an announcement to make Leopard. I don't have
it to hold up and show you on this that
we're video and as I do the radio show today
in the mail, while I was talking to Robin cassarzan
(04:50):
to ask her if she'll be my guest for one
of these shows building up to the two hundredth show.
She's so beautiful, she said, I said, do you have
the time? She goes. No, I don't, Steve, she goes,
But I'm going to do it because it's you. That's
the kind of beautiful person. Robin is the kind of
person you are. But after two years, we're talking about
perseverance here, persistence. I got a check today from GTL
(05:13):
for my first prison curriculum installation in a jail system
called called Winnebago County win Obego County in Rockford, Illinois.
And so I was talking to the phone on with
Robin and Donna comes in and opened it up and
handed it to me. While I was on the phone
with Robin, I told her I'm going to cry because
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you know, we've gone a long way to get it.
But the reason that I'm highlighting that is Lefford, You're
part of that curriculum. And I've got this what we
call it the resource module, where I have four and
I build it at the time as four of my
I'm going to read this. It was episode one oh seven.
It was called a Message from Lefford's Feet. This is
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not today for those of you that just tuned in,
this is what I'm just referencing that Lefford did this
with me episode one oh seven. This week's show is
called a Message from Lefford Feate. Tune in and here
Steve interview Lefford Fate, best selling author, mentor and leadership coach.
This interview is the second and a four part series
featuring four of the most inspirational motivational people that Steve
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has the privilege to call his friends. Listen to effort
talk about for real, his five Steps to Success program, philosophy, relationship, equipping, attitude,
and leadership. You will learn how the choices you make
based on your philosophy can create your roadmap to success.
Don't miss this powerful show. We're not going to talk
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much about that today, but what I did in preparation
for today's show this morning at four o'clock in the morning,
I do a lot of podcasts Around four four thirty
or five. If I happen to wake up and I
plug in my here and age and their Bluetooth, and
my wife doesn't know I'm listening. She can't tell. And
I listened to that episode of Effort, and that episode
was done on a VA along with Don Green, Napolin
(07:02):
Hill Foundation, Jim Stoveall Entrepreneur of the Year two thousand
and Robin Cassarsian and this show. I just listened to
it so I could just have an hour of my
my friend Leffert this morning, just to get me tuned
in and excited about what we're getting ready to do.
So Leffort, we're going to launch in a second. In
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the conversation that we started the other day about everybody speaks,
But I just I just want to tell you, Effort, sincerely,
from the bottom of my heart. You're just a wonderful friend.
I love it. You've done so much for me, and
I just wish you forever and ever all the success
that you already know is coming because you understand it.
You serve the Lord as beautiful as anyone I know.
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And I just want to say thank you, Leffort.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, thank you Pardner. I appreciate that. Man. Congratulations, it's
pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
We were having this conversation yesterday about what comes forth
and as.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I said, it wasn't a yes. But the sun is
always that.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Sometimes we can't see it because of the storm and
because of the clouds and because it's night wherever we are,
but the sun is there and sometimes you can't see it.
But just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's
not there.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh No, that's that's a great attitude. And and I'm
not going to go in and say much more about
you know, what you've done before, the books you've written
or whatever. But but I will say one thing while
I got you before we get into the subject for today.
I got introduced to you by the person that was
the founder of Talk Network Radio that this show airs on.
(08:38):
His name is Jeff Heiser, and Jeff Heiser uh he
he gave me a chance to have my own show
on his network, and and he kind of turned me loose,
and he was helping me line up some interviews, and
one day he says, hey, I want you to I
want you to call Leffard Fate. I want I got
a guy you'll you'll do a great interview with him.
He's terrific. And at the time I think you were
(09:01):
just finishing up in South Carolina in the prison Department.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Still working at the Department of Press.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, so, I mean you got a whole background department corrections. Again,
I'll try not to do your whole background. But he
said you'll be a perfect person to talk to. And
he didn't know that he created a marriage made in
heaven and we've been together ever since. And Jeff, I
just want to thank him for introduce me to it.
But but le effort, today's show is going to be
(09:27):
about Everybody Speaks. So you know you told me, I said,
what would you like to talk about on this show? Left,
and you said, well, how about Everybody Speaks. It's a
book I'm working on. It's going to be coming out soon.
And I said, well, that's a beautiful title. You want
to just sort of talk about everybody Speaks. But I
know the cats never had your tongue because you're an
(09:48):
international toastmaster, world champion kind of candidate guy, you know,
South Carolina champion maybe, although I remember you came in
second because that girl beat you that day with the
most emotional speech that anybody's ever given. And you know
it made me cry when I heard her too. And
but but you you were a gracious, gracious second place
person there. And so the bottom line is leffort. What
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does everybody speaks really really talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Steve, everybody speaks is it's just that there's so many
people that say I'm afraid to speak or I can't speak,
and it's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And I've studied for years this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The number one fear of people is public speaking.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And you know, I've heard that so many times.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And you know, I just couldn't believe this, Steve, Well,
probably because I hang out with people like you and
me who who love to talk, right, But the reality is,
I've heard it so much and it's and it's really heartbreaking.
And this is why I think everyone has a voice.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
That needs to be heard.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And if you if you don't reve feel that, if
you don't reveal your gifts, you're not only you're not
only hiding what you have to give to the world,
that you have something that someone is needing to receive.
And so I'm here to tell you that everybody speaking
it and it's nothing to be afraid of, and don't
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hold yourself back because of fear. There's several reasons that
people are afraid to talk or speak in public, and
the book that I'm writing is to debump that and
to help people walk into their greatest them right. And
the book that I'm co authoring with the Napoleon Hill
Foundation as a copy of it right here.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It was written in nineteen fifty by guy by the name.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Of Jay Martin Cohen, and it was it was a
book that at that time was helping people to actually
exercise their voice. And that's basically what I want to
talk about. But the interesting story about this, all these connections, Steve,
all these beautiful connections, Jepheiser introduced us.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You introduced me to Don Green.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I became a member of the Napoleon Hill Foundation based
on that trip. Based on that, I ended up speaking
on a cruise in the Caribbean where Don Green was
in the audience and I was speaking about the art
of public speaking, and he came up to me after
that presentation, Stephen, he says, Lefford, I've got this little
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book that I've been holding on to for years, and
I think you're the perfect person to rewrite this thing.
It was released in nineteen fifty, and we need to
get it published. We need the world to hear your
story and this story because people need to be able
to speak their minds. And so less than a year later,
(12:53):
I'm working on this book. So thank you for speaking
into my life, and so based on that, I can
speak into others lives and maybe, Steve, maybe we can
make just a small dent in this world.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
We're going to we already are. And I want to
tell you you were so welcome. But I got to
tell you I did you a favor the way you're
telling me that, But I want to tell you the
real favor wasn't for you. It was for Don Green
and the Paul and Hill Foundation. Because when you told
me that you wanted to be involved with the Paul
and Hill Foundation because you wanted to perhaps write the
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think and grow rich for the military. No, Lefford, thank
you for your service to our country thirty one years
as Master Chief, highest ilicted rank in the Air Force.
And that's absolutely beautiful. By the way, when Jeff Heiser
introduced me to you, y'all got into an argument over it.
You know, he told me that even though you were
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an Air Force guy, he would stoop down to let
me meet you. That's what he said, and you know that.
But he was joking because he loves you too. But no,
when I told Don Green that I that I that
I met Lefford Fair and that you would like to
write that book, Don Green basically said, Steve, do you
know how many people come to a Ploynio Foundation want
to do something? And he goes, if he's serious, tell
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him that he needs to take this class. And so
when I told you that, you know, you had a
choice that you could have made. You could have said, Steve,
I'm pretty well established. You know, I'm one of the
founding guys on the John Maxwell team. Early out you know,
I got in early. There must be twenty thousand of
them out there now and you're in the first group
of you know, like a handful. But you said, you
know that's reasonable. He doesn't know me, and I'm willing
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to do that, and you just jumped right on board.
And all I can tell you is you did me
one of the greatest favors of my life by being
yourself and Don Green embracing you and taking you all
the way into under that friendship that y'all have and Leffort.
It makes my heart warm to know how this is
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the way it's supposed to be in life, where you
meet people that you that you can trust, that you know,
got your back, that are who they say they aren't
going to you know, they do what they say they're
gonna do. And so with that said, you're welcome. And
don he just told me the other day. Yeah, Lefford,
he's a great guy man. Yeah, he's terrific. You know,
he's terrific, you know. So so yeah, we got a
lot of love floating around.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, and but.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Let's let's let's jump into the speaking part, because again
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Someone needs to hear this.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Just recently, we're talking about your beautiful bride and her
speaking and what she has inside of her, and she
actually was able to.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Release some of that doing a homegoing for a father.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And the reality is that there's so many people that
have something on us awesome. There's so many people that
have something within them that they struggle to release, They
struggle to get out because of fear. And and one
of those fears I think is because most people think
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that they got to be perfect. They feel that in
order for them to say something, they got to be perfect.
And perfection is a myth. Perfection is a myth. There's
no but one person that was ever perfect, right, And
so you don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You just got to come from the heart. You got
to prepare, you got to do all those things. But
all of us got something to say.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And if you're just willing to say it in this acrostic,
I gott.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I love acrostics.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Acronyms people like to call them, but I love acrostics
and I have acroustic.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That is care.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And if you care about your audience, Steve, if you
care about the people that you're talking to, and if
you're trying to give that person a gift, you have
a message.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That they need to receive. And what does care mean?
Care means you got to be curious about the people
you're talking to. You got to care.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You got to want to know what's up with them,
what they're about. You have to be available. You have
to be when you're speaking to somebody, how am I
available to them? One of the things I love about
you and your shows and your purpose, Steve, is that
you are there for people that a lot of people
aren't there for and as much as you do for
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the least of them, and you are there for least,
so you're available to do things for people.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You are there for me. You are there for the
returning citizens.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
You're there for Stowell, you're there for doctor, You're there
for your your wife and a father. You're there for people.
So when you're available, that makes the difference. Respect is
the r And when I say respect, now use it
as the root word. Respect full and respectable. Respect Full
and respectable people buy into the messenger before they buy
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into the message. Right, So if you are a respectable person,
somebody that people cares about, somebody that they know that
they're bringing goods, solid information, then people will listen to you.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And respectfull is that you can.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
You may disagree with somebody, you may disagree with their point,
but you're not You're not disrespecting that other person. And
find been an encourager. Encouraging I mean encouragement is dividamin.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
For the soul.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And so I always say, if you care for people,
if you care for your audience, if you care for
your people, then a message that comes from you.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
To them is going to be special because what is
that great.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Phrase out of the heart the mouth speaks and so
whatever you're putting out there, if you care, then that
is going to make for a powerful, powerful message, even
if you're not perfect in your communication.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, that's that's well spoken. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
The thing is when I hear you speak and lay
it out like you do, I always connect to it
and it makes me think certain things that I have
parallels insane lessons that I've gotten in different ways. I'll
give you just two comments on what you just said.
One is that whenever I've been in prison, you know,
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like prison in halfway houses, pushing maybe close to five
hundred times in the last nine years, and whenever whenever
I'm in there, when I'll ask the counselor or somebody
that's in charge of the group when it's over, when
they thank me and I say, well, I hope they
liked it, and he goes, hey, Steve, they liked it.
You know they liked it because if they didn't, they
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would have let you know. And it's like, yeah, that's
not the easiest crowd in the world, so to speak,
you know, but if you're in there speaking from your heart,
the last thing in the world that people don't want,
and it's just what you just said. They do not
want a can speech buy my book type of a thing.
If a guy's on the speaking circuit and he's hawking
his book or whatever his program is, and he's talking
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to people and it's no more where am I today?
Tell me before I go on stage who the people are,
and he just keeps shooting out the same thing, and
it's just that will never work. That's insincere. It's all
about the person wanting to sell his books. We have
to be mission oriented and not worry about the money
that will follow. However that works. You know, success will
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follow when you do what you love and you're a little.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Comp it will come. And it's not about you. You know,
I studied a lot of great speakers, and I just
went through a course with them, with John Maxwell, and
oh my goodness, I can't believe that I cannot remember
his name.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Family feud, Steve Harvey, Steve the comedian.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
We're talking about when you're speaking, you're actually there for
the audience. It's not about you looking good. It's not
about me looking good. It's about being good to those people.
And that's why I always go back to there's no
need to seek perfection. You know, you're trying to bring
it and you're trying to be good so you can
give a good gift, but you're not trying to Hey
(20:43):
look at me, You're trying to be there for that
other person. And when you speak from the heart with that,
then it is going to resonate with that person. It
is going to be something that that person could accept.
Because I got to be honest with you. I've seeneople
sell books and videos and sell lots of stuff, and
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they sold they sold it, but that wasn't their primary thing.
It was because they cared about the people and they
know and the seals not just to make money. Selling
is selling the idea because you're selling them something in
the penitentiary, in the institution. You're selling to them that they.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Can be more, have more, and do more.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
And you're selling them that they are enough in that
they are the King's kids, that he loves them. When
he looks at them, he sees warriors, he sees kings,
he sees princes, he sees princesses, he sees queens. And
you're selling and that's a hard sell for somebody who
don't believe in themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like I said, Steve, you know I've done a lot
of it. In a lot You've kind of highlighted that stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But when I left the military in twenty twelve, all
of that stuff that I achieved meant nothing to me
because I was afraid to come out into the civilian
sector because I joined the Air Force when I was a.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Boy, and I was leaving as a man, like seventeen
years old when you joined the air Force.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I joined the Air Force. I was seventeen years old.
I said it before, but at bears repeating, I left.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I went left my dad's house, went to Uncle Sam's house,
and at forty eight years old, I was coming back
into civilian community, and I was terrified because I spoke
Air Force, I spoke military.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And if you spend any time around us, they say
we talk.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Fun, you know, pose and TD Wise and Roger that
you know, all these things, that what are they talking about?
And so it was a bit of a tough transition.
But what I realized I started training. But one of
the greatest lessons I learned was when I'm speaking from
my heart and with authenticity, and I'm speaking to present
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a gift to the people that I'm talking to, it works.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It just worked.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So I'll tell anybody, don't try to be perfect, just
try to be true. Another another point, steve that, and
again you jump in whenever you get a chance to.
But I just want to give a few pointers to
help people out. You know, many times we let a
past failure or a past pain or.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Hurt stop us from speaking.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Somebody laughed at us, or we didn't get it quite right,
and then all of a sudden, people like, wow, I'm
never going to try that again. Don't let your past
stop you. Don't let your past stop you. I had
a speech impediment. I used to say, and if you
listen hard enough, you're here to dems and dose and
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these you Northerners oftentimes look at us country boys and say.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Man, they talk funny. But that's who I was.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And for many years in my life I didn't want
to speak because I was concerned that people were going
to laugh at me.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Because they, to be quite honest, they used to like it.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And after I kept going with it, I got better
at it and I didn't get stuff on my past.
I tried to grow from it. So if you get
to a point where you avoid beating.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yourself up, it can be you can be very successful.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I think life is like a school, and it could
also be like a club. When I was a young guy,
I used to like to go to the club.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I know you did to state.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
But you can use life as a club and beat
yourself with it, or you can use it as a
school and learn from it. So why not use it
as a school and don't let your pass hurt? What
was this Star Wars movie where Yoda told young Luke,
don't try.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Do don't try do?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh, don't try do, don't try do?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, Yeah, that's that's when that's May the force be
with you when it just is you. You know, you're
that's a total harmony, plugged in kind of a thing.
And oh yeah, that's a good that's a good expression. Absolutely,
And how.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They comes with speaking, most of us, Steve I like it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I mean, you're a professional speaker.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
You you don't think about it like that, but you're presenter.
You go out and speak to thousands of people. You
have one hundred and ninety seven episodes.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, you're one ninety seven today.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You're a professional speaker. You don't try to speak, you speak.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
One of the things that I found that people do
that hurts their speaking is they say, you'll say, Donna.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Hey, I want you to well, I'll try I'll try. No, don't, don't.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Don't try speak because I believe that enthusiasm. Enthusiasm means
what the God within, and when you're speaking, that's God
releasing from you. So don't try.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Do I got my version of that to the same thing,
and that that's one of the things that I why
I speak freely is because I know that the Holy
Spirit is coming through me, and I don't question. I
like to open my mouth and be surprised sometimes you
know what's going to come out. Because when I get
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in beautiful conversations like we've had so many, I just
know that he's using me, and so I'm just a
vessel and I want to be used. That was what
I asked for all my prayers, my whole life was
God used me to help help help carry out your will.
Let me be an instrument of your will. My mother
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gave me that prayer so young. And so when you
do that, you're not supposed to to be afraid to
let him do through you what's going to happen. I mean,
you know who the number one person in all of
Bible history is is Moses. Look at the way he
was a speaker. You know, God put everything thing in
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him to do, and I mean he challenged it and
was afraid at first, but he got through that. But Leffert,
I mean, you know what on that you know most
of was a stutterer. Yeah, you know why he was
a stutterer. Do you ever hear the story behind the scenes?
Do you know why he was a stutterer?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Well, you know, my Jewish, my Jewish background used to
hear a lot of uh, you know, stories from the
Talmud and you know, not just straight Bible to kind
of fill in some storylines, and uh maybe you know
there there may be kind of like embellishing some of
the word. The word. The word is the word itself,
the Bible. That's that's the word. Some of the other things,
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you know, they they are open for conversation or debate perhaps,
But anyway, there's a there's a Bible story that I
learned as a kid that when the Pharaoh was going
to let him either live in the castle with his
daughter adopting him and bringing him in or not, some
of his advisors says, you can't trust him, and so
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they did a test. They put a great, big burned
bowl of some of the most beautiful jewels imaginable to mankind.
And they put another bowl of hot coals right next
to it, and they put the baby right there in
front of the two bowls, and they said, let's see
which one he reaches for. And if he reaches for
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the jewels, you know he's going to try to overthrow you.
And if he reaches for the coals, you know it's
going to be all right. Well, Moses was dazzled by
the sparkling jewels, and he almost had his fingers on
those jewels when in angel shifted his hand over and
made him touch the hot coals. And as soon as
he touched the hot coals, he touched his mouth. And
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that's why Moses had a speech impediment.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I have to admit, I've been studying the Bible my
whole life, and that's the first time I've ever heard that.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Thank you. Yeah. I got lots of stories like that,
well know, but but you know that that that was good.
I mean I was brought up on stories like that,
and and then as I got older in life, you know,
I had a chance to explore the writings where they
come from to make up my own mind. But I'll
tell you one thing. The Bible is the truth, It's
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the word, and I accept that, and that's that's that's it. Well,
let me.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Even with the story that as as Moses as a stutter,
he stills spoke power because it was the message came
not from him but through him, but.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
One of the and I like to call it an argument,
and I like to call it.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
An argument in the legal frame because you know, a
lot of people get caught up on an argument. Argument is,
you know, we have a different opinion we're working through,
so it's not a negative thing.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The argument is.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That just because it comes through you instead of from you,
doesn't mean we shouldn't work on our craft.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think everyone speaks, but it's just.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Like a musician who works on their instrument because they're
given a gift. And because you have that gift, it
is your talent. It is your gift, and you will
be called into account for how you use that. I
feel that we are called into account. So you start speaking,
even you may be a stutter, but you work on
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your craft because if you're gonna, if God gives you
a gift, and God's gift us is our talents. Our
gift to him is what we do with that talent.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So if you are going to.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Bring something and show to your father, who is in
heaven at the end of your days, and you're going
to present something back to him that he gave you,
do you want it to be the same thing that
he gave you or do you want to make it better?
So that's just a thought. But one of the things
that I found the reason that you can speak and
a lot of other great speakers because they keep filling
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themselves with good information, with powerful stuff. So I believe
that you're in but I believe you are a flow
based on steady well.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I would like to say this thank you and preparation
and acquiring knowledge and surrounding yourself with people of wisdom.
Anybody can talk and go sit down. Everybody's got an opinion,
you know, there's a lot of ways to say that.
You know, everybody's got an opinion. And you can go
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to a bar, you can go to, you know, a
place where they proverbally sit down and drink a beer
and talk to the person next to you. And everybody
knows that when people do that, the more beer they
sip on, the more freely they talk. But some of
the stuff that comes out of their mouth is worthless
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and it's just just whatever they do. It could be complaining,
it could be grousing, it could be gossiping. It could
be putting people down, it could be filth, it could
be whatever. Just because they talk freely doesn't mean it's
something that is worth listening to. So what I'm trying
to say, and you put it in care respectful, respect respectful,
respect respectable. I think that because we're unique children of God,
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each giving it our own unique gifts to use for
the glory of God to be servants because we all
have that a lot of people have a gift of
a quiet spirit where they're not going to be somebody
that's going to be real, loud and vocal and want
to assert themselves in a conversation. And so I want
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to say this before we go any further. You you
you told me that you knew from our conversation that
did Donna. She delivered the eulogy, the main one. Several
people spoke, but Donna's was the main one, sharing her
father's life. And when she was asked by our sisters
prior to the funeral, they said, do you do you
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want to speak? Well, I want to tell you, Donna
knew that she was born to speak to do what
she did that day there was She's never been more
certain and wanting to do something than to honor her father.
And what she did that day, she not only honored
her earthly father, she honored her heavenly father. And more
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people from her seventeen minutes of being on the pulpit
honor in her father have have gone further with wanting
to know more. I mean, I've got a brother and
a sister in law and other people that have been
asking so many questions and they can't stop talking about
how beautiful and how much the peace that we experienced was.
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And when we told them we could only experience that
peace because her father, her father ed my father in law,
a man that I greatly love. Also he knows the
Lord Jesus Christ, and he was called home and it
was just so beautiful. But you see, as we go
back to speaking public speaking, some people can be very
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quiet and not like to public speak for whatever. But
if they've got this calling for what they need to do,
that sense of purpose and destiny for the lack of
a better word, right now, when they get up and speak,
it's going to be as powerful as anybody you've ever
heard in your life. And it was for my wife.
I have never been so proud to watch my wife.
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And I sat there and all I could think was,
I am so blessed to be in this family with
my father in law and to hear my wife speak
the way she's speaking to all of us right now
about his life. And I got to tell you, my
only thing was I didn't speak that day intentionally because
I didn't want to. I just want my wife to
speak because I knew and it was incredible. But I
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would said one thing. I would have said one thing,
and I'll say it right now. Every single time for
seventeen years that Ed and I hung out together, I
went over there, we went somewhere, whatever. There wasn't one
time that I didn't thank him for letting me marry
his daughter. And that was that was my life with
with Ed. So you know, it's a beautiful life. That's
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our favorite movie, by the way. You know it's a
beautiful it's a beautiful life, but it's a wonderful Life's
the name of the movie. It's a wonderful life with you.
Jimmy Stewart and Donna reed. But let let me get
back to the book that you're doing. You're you're a
professional speaker in a true sense. You train and coach people.
I mean you you've you've done so much of this.
I mean you've done your TED talk with I don't
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know the number, it's got to be over six hundred
thousand dollars. Listeners have have tuned into it. It's a
beautiful thing. And you know, you speak and you write,
and but you're you're a mission servant person. You know,
you're out there. You're a man with a mission. You're
trying to make the world a better place. You're trying
and you do things. You do what you say you're
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going to do. With that said, what what are some
more pointers on people that are a little shy maybe
to take the podium, to take the microphone. What are
some more things that you coach people to do? Because
what I like to do is hear all you want
to say about the book and the intent of it.
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But speaking from the heart, that's the whole idea. You know,
just have belief in what you're doing and then just
don't let anybody tell you you're not good. I know
that to be a fact. Just get out.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
But don't I'll go back, just not for a second.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
The reason she was able to do what she did
because it was something that was inside that needed to.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Get out, and she prepared.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And so there are things that you can do.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
If you have something to say, prepare to say it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
It doesn't have to be very long.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I did some studying on the sixteenth President, President Lincoln,
and when you gave the Gettysburg Address, quite arguably one
of the greatest speeches of our country in the world.
People all over the world know that. And it was
two minute speech. Yeah, the same day that he gave
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that two minute speech, Edward Everett, he was a Harvard president,
gave a speech that was over two hours long and
it was a powerful speech, powerful speech. But people don't
remember that speech, but they remember the getty's Burg Address.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And Everett was the keynote, the primary speaker, and it
was powerful.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But you know what's the funny thing about that short
speech that has touched the world that there are kids,
there are kids today that can recite that speech.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know that the president thought he did a horrible job.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Lincoln went home and told his wife that he failed miserably, and.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Even the papers, the media.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Came out and said, what kind of a president did
we have that he couldn't do better than that? But
Everett came back and said this. He said, he said
in two minutes what I couldn't say in three hours.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And even.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
It doesn't have to be long. It has to be powerful,
and it's got to matter. And if you say it short,
but it makes impact, that's all that counts. You don't
have to speak for three four ten hours. There's a
lot that can be And you and I, you know,
we can talk for hours and hours and hours, but a.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Lot of times it's not as powerful.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I mean, the greatest teacher of all times, Jesus Christ,
and didn't.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Talk a life.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
He said, hey, you follow me.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
That was a speech, but more of more of the
speech came from remember the messenger, not the message. It
was because of who he was and what he did
that he can speak and say such a small amount
of things because his character carrying the message. I will
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say that Donna's character carried the message.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Further than her words would have. Yoh, yeah, I'm going
to give you. I guess it was in nineteen sixty
when John Fitzgerald Kennedy was running for president. If that's
not the most powerful thing for our country that I'd
ever heard. I was nine years old, I heard it
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one time, and I'm sixty years later. It's the most
beautiful thing. That sums it all up. A's succinctly as
it can be said. When John said it is an
ugural address, it was actually in nineteen sixty one when
he took the office in January. But when he said,
ask not what your country can do for you, but
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what you can do for your country, that says everything.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I've studied that phrase and why it's so powerful. And
in the book, I'm going to actually talk about out
that particular ask not the rhyme, the rhythm, how he
put it together, the sickness of it. I'm going to
talk about that. That's one of the most beautiful passages
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with power that you can find out there. So I
talk I talk a lot about presidents, because when you
want to follow the leadership, you take a look at
presidents of the United States, whether you like him or
don't like him, that is the key to leadership. And
so there are several speeches and statements and quotes that
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I use how people did it well and how people
didn't do it so well.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
So yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
That's one of my favorite ask not yeah, beautiful powerful.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I got one more quote from a world leader, Winston Churchill,
that I now that man. That man. If you want
to go google him, you can probably come about sixteen thousand.
What you got there? Everybody speaks Winston. Oh look at you. Yeah,
he's right on your From Winston Well, I use I
use one of his quotes and in my all my
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workbooks that I in my curriculum, and and it's, uh,
it's such a powerful quote. And it's uh, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you to you. It's it's
like I'm gonna grab it right right here for you
so that I can show it to you in writing
as I do it. It's one of my perseverance quotes
that that I've been using for my whole program. If
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you're going through hell, keep going. But what's interesting about
that is there's a second verse. That first verse, many
many people have heard that first verse going through hell,
keep going, But the second verse is the icing on
the cake. Are you ready go for it? I don't
get through hell so fast. The devil won't even know
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you've been there. I didn't know that one either.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
One one of the quotes that I like from Winston
is is basically it talks about if you there will
come a time in your life that you will be
asked to do great things, it will be a shame
if you're not prepared for it. I love that that's
a paraphrase, but the bottom line is you have to
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be ready. And that's the thing with speaking. Everybody speaks,
and I got an eye on the time everybody speaks.
And because everybody speaks, just be ready. Practice what you
have to say. It doesn't have to be long, but
just be willing to say it. There's a I started
this whole thing out about talking about Don Green or
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you started out, and then we started talking about Don,
and Don.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Invited me to do this.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
And so one of the best stories that I got
about speaking is from the story Darby's story three.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Feet from Gold.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Oh absolutely, I love it.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
The story where you know he had he basically had
one of the largest gold veins, gold mindset that could
have brought him great riches, and he stopped three feet
from the Promised Land, for he could have been rich
beyond measure and he stopped. But what he did was
he learned from that failure because he.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Stopped a lot of us.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
There's been times in my life that I failed and
failure stopped me instead of what did I.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Learn from that?
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And so we're going to make mistakes, we're gonna mess up,
we're not gonna get it right, we're gonna choke on
our words. We're gonna do that if we use that
opportunity to learn, we are three feet from God from everything,
Steve Alltaeil, I promise you there were times when the
words would not come, and I was and you may
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not believe that now, as much as I love to
talk with the words when I come or I was
messing it up and I made a fool of myself,
and it would have been so easy to stop, but
I had to back up and say, you know, Lefford,
what did you.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Learn from that? Well?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Maybe I didn't prepare, okay, Maybe I didn't know enough.
Maybe it was all about me versus about the people
that I was speaking to.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Maybe it was me.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Talking about something I didn't know anything about, that I
didn't believe in. And so as you go through the
process and you say, Okay, what did I learn from it?
And then okay, let me get back on that horse,
let me give it another shot, let me do my
caddag as.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
You martial artist likes to say. And what I found
was that it worked.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
And again, because everybody speaks to some level, it's not
one of those things that we need to be afraid of,
because fear is it's an illusion when.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
It comes to speaking, because.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Unless you say some crazy sideway stuff, nobody's going to
shoot you for speaking. And we almost we almost acted
like if we get up and speak, that they're going
to kick us out of the village.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Or beat us or hurt us.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It's not that when you're speaking, we're passing on information
that can help somebody.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Leffert, There's no question I picked up a definition of
fear the other day, or an acronym for fear that
I never heard before. False emotions appearing real.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I've heard a.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Lot of those false evident appearing real. The one I
like is there's two I like, and I think they're funny.
Face everything in rise, face everything, and run is another one.
But you can look at it as positive or negative.
If you face everything and rise up to the occasion.
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Fear can be what you make it. We talked several
times on this. Actually we did study on the ghosts
of fear.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Now you did a whole episode on it.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And one of those ghosts of fear is the fear
of criticism.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
And that's one of the things that we're concerned with.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
If we're speaking, somebody is going to say something about us,
They're going to judge us, and.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
We're going to feel horrible based on it.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
But if you look at failure or or criticism as
a critique or correction, then that person is helping versus hurting.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
And so what I said it.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Before, but I said again, it's all about how we
receive what someone gives us. And one of the things
I know state that some people are going to try
to hurt you, some people are going to try to
criticize you. Some people will but you can use that
to your advantage because this is what I've learned. Have
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you the young people call it throwing shade? Have you
heard that?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
That phraseology again, throwing shade, throwing shade.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
No, I understand it, but I've never heard it yet.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's a younger people think called throwing shade being snarky
that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
What what about putting a wet blanket over something?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, something something like or yeah, it's just like that.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
But this is what I know.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
If somebody comes at you like that or tries to
break you down or criticize you and pull you down,
I got a little trick.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I give that little goofy look. Oh thank you.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, yeah, Because there's a couple of ways.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
People can mean it.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
If someone says something to hurts your feelings, If they
say something to hurts your feeling, if they did not
mean to do it, they it'll just pass on.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
If they meant to do it, they'll try it again
because it got to you. Because they're getting to you.
They're needling you in their responding.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
But they'll try to get if you if you give
them a look like yep, what youre talking about?
Speaker 2 (47:44):
That didn't bother me.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
If they if they really are trying to hurt you,
they will say it again.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yep, they don't say it again. It was an accident
that didn't mean to You can press on.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I like to. I like to pray for people to
begin with when they're at that level, at a lower
base level, I like to just figure well, they had
a hard life and they didn't learn how to treat
people properly. And I'll accept that. I'm going to love
them and I'll let their behavior go as long as
it's not hurtful or harmful to people.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
You're a better man than me because it depends. I
will forgive them, but I will release them.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Also, I won't hang around with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
But what I found is that most of the time
people aren't trying to hurt you. Sometimes they just make
mistakes and again, if they want to hurt you, they'll
say it again or and so I'll just let it
go when I'm speaking to someone if they and if
I say, you know, this is hurtful, and if they
continue to do the same thing, then I can say.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
They don't care.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
So there's a lot of ways to deal with it
so it doesn't hurt you.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
So that's kind of the whole process.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
And like I said, you're better than me with that
big bro us stuff that I'm still working on. But
the majority of the people that you're speaking to are
really not trying to hurt you. They can be, they
just they're just that way. And so that helped me out,
which which is actually interesting. We start talking about speaking
and we got onto a lot of other things, but
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I want to I just want to close with this because.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
I know you prob.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
You made me promise that we'll we'll keep the time
right that, Steve, all of us have something that we
were We have a purpose, the reason we're here. And
because I'm a speaker, I believe that people are here
to say something and don't be afraid to speak. There's
something out there that somebody needs to hear, and they
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may not hear my voice, Steve, they.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Might not hear yours. It may require somebody like a dinner.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
It may require someone like a Johnny, It may require
someone like a Tioma, It may require someone like a gymsto.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
But everybody speaks.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Everybody has something that they were put here to set.
And please don't be held up by fear, because fear
has stopped more people from expressing their gifts than anything
that I've ever come.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
In contact with.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
That's great advice. I think I would be remiss if
I didn't ask you to speak for a moment on
the point that I want to ask you to speak
on connect listening speaking, Please.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Connect listening to speaking.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
I believe that it's important as it is to be
a good speaker communicator, I think it's more important to listen.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
We were gifted with two ears in one mouth.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
I think sometimes if we listen, we'll know what we
should speak on, because just because you.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Can doesn't mean you should. There's a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Of information out there. For instance, I think I don't
think I told you the story. I know I told
you this story. A few years ago, my daughter Rudy,
was home from college and we were watching this show
called Thirteen Reasons Why.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
And this Thirteen Reasons Why was a show based on a.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Young girl that committed suicide. And I could not understand
why this girl committed suicide. I just, you know, I'm
a mental health guy, so I kind of should know, right,
And I was like, it just didn't resonate with me,
and my daughter said something, I can't understand why she
did it, because sometimes people make you feel like you're
not worthy, like you're not there, that you're just invisible.
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And you know, I went for a long time not
listening to her, and I could have lost her because
I was not listening. I was talking a lot, I
was passing on knowledge, but I wasn't listening to.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Understand who she was and what she needed.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
So if I had the gift of anything, I would
prefer and I love communicating, I love commune. You can
and that's my gift, and that's what I want. But
I think it would serve us better to.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Be able to listen.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
And listening is not just the exercise of vibrations going
across ear drums. Is watching, listening, feeling that is listening.
You listen to more than just your sense of hearing.
And I think if we listen, we can understand. And listening,
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I think is a very important part of communication. And
if you listen while you're speaking, you listen to your audience,
you listen to your people, you listen to your family.
I think you're speaking will be clear because you're speaking
into the needs of the people.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Thank you for addressing that two things. As we come
to a close, and then you can have the last word,
you'll probably we're probably good for another hour because I'll
say a couple more things that we're going to wake
us both up here. But here's here's one thing. When
we're engaged in a conversation with another person, the cardinal
sin is to try when you're trying to hear, when
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you're supposed to be paying attention and focused on what
they're saying so you can process it. If you're already
blocking them out and not hearing what they're saying because
you're trying to put your response together and you're just
waiting for that moment where you can hear a pause
and then just respond right back in. That is in
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no way that I think that's the cardinal sin of communication,
is to be formulating your response without hearing what they're
even trying to communicate. So I want that one in
there left. You said something so beautiful just now, and
my closure, and then you'll speak again. Please. I think
that the secret that I've learned that I've listened to,
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that I can sum up from what you've had to
say is this, if you know that you're that unique
child of God, created in his image, formed for him,
and that you're unique, and that you've been given gifts
and you have absolutely nothing else that you ever know.
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Psalm one thirty nine, verse thirteen through fourteen says, for
you create it my inmost being, You knit me together
in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am
fearfully and wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful. I know
that full well. If you can believe that and know that,
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you will be able to speak your mind whenever you
choose to.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
I think, even though we know that there's still fear
and they're still unworthiness, there are people that feel unworthy
and to be quite frank to some of us, that
need to shut up sometime and allow other peoples.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
To speed it.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
I mean, so I can agree with that and that
that is that is truth.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
But if for some.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Reason you can't believe those things, Oh hey, hey, Leffort, Leffort,
you are the Leffort that I know in love, you
are not a yes man.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
And no.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
Matter what I say sometimes from trying to pursue the
point with you, what I said just now this is
one of those legal arguments clarifications here. What I said
is simply you have to have that to enter into
the realm that you are teaching us to take who
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we are and train and prepare and get better at it.
And you said early out in the show, it is
our purpose to make better what God entrusted us with,
what he gave us. So you're absolutely right. You just
furthered the point and yeah, I'm a simple guy. You
always use that line on me too. But the point is,
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in order to be able to have confidence in your
ability to express yourself, just believe who you really are.
And if you've got that down, then seek more, acquire wisdom,
acquire knowledge, put in the preparation, and know that you
have no reason to be ashamed of who you are.
Speak your mind fully, you know, go forth and multiply.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
And Steve, I wasn't saying that to disagree. What I'm
saying is that you can say that the number of
people that cannot receive what you just said is huge.
And I think one of the problems that us saved
people have a huge problem, in my opinion, is that
we expect people to have the same measure of faith
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that we have. And that's a problem because everybody does it.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Because if it was that easy, everybody would receive it.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
So and like I said, you're one hundred percent right,
sometimes we have to under understand how we can connect
with those people because the number of people that I
look at you and those in the prisons when you
go into prisons, ninety percent of the people that hear
what we say about they can be and do and
have more, aren't believe in us because they just cannot
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receive it.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
And we have to figure out a way.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
And that's why I will continue to say everybody speaks,
I'll continue to say you got something that's inside you.
I continue to say that you are the only one
can say some things, because sometimes it takes dozens and
dozens and dozens of times for somebody to tell that
person that same thing, and they're still not going to believe.
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Eric Hoffer says something, there are rare times, no matter
how good we are, there are rare times that we
will see it.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
And when we do see it will only be for
a small amount of time. As I always say, we're
the King's kids, and we don't see it. Well, just
so you're one hundred percent believe.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
It that that I want everybody to know that you
have a right not to speak. You have a right
to speak when you want to speak. And as a kid,
one of the very first things we learned in like kindergarten,
first grade was when somebody said something hurtful to you.
Sticks and stones may break my boons, but words will
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never hurt me. There you go, I think there's a
lot of truth to that one, and that is just
remember that you are a unique child of God, and
that's I'm gonna I'm gonna hold onto that and take
training from people that love you like Leffert loves me.
And everything's going to be all right. That's Bob Marley.
Everything's going to be all right.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah, everything's gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
You know, Effort, I said all one of the shows
with you that that I said, you know, Leffort, you
know can you sing? Because I because I mean, you
can do anything you want. You said, no, I can't sing. Well,
you you you you weren't telling me the truth that
day because you can't sing. Leffort, Thanks for given the
message today, Thanks for being with me, and I hope
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everybody that was listening got a lot out of this.
Just remember, don't let anybody force you to do anything you
don't want to do, and just just believe in yourself
because I believe in you, le Effort. Anything you want
to say. The last part of this here.
Speaker 3 (59:20):
No, it's in there and being great and there's something
that you were put on this earth to do.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
I don't necessarily know what that is, but it's there.
And so release.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
It beautiful lef for God bless you everybody. Hope you
enjoyed it. Have a wonderful week and I'll see you
next week with Robin Cossars. Thank you, wait to hear
that one be beautiful. Thank you Leffort, God bless thanks
for listening to right thinking with Steve Copeland. I'll look
forward to being with you again next week and remember
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don't quit.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Plan ahead.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
It will get better. God bless you, and have a
great week.
There must be lies burning brighter somewhere.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Got to be birds.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Why I am hi.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Sky, Good morning, welcome to Right Thinking with Steve Copeland.
I'm your host, Steve Copeland, and thank you for tuning in.
Let's have a great day. Good morning, everybody, glad to
be with you. Well, you know, we're in our countdown
of shows now to get into the two hundredth show
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that Right Thinking with Steve Copeland has aired, and this
is the one and ninety seventh show. And so the
guest that I'm bringing on is one of my most
He's made the show the success that it is, and
I introduced him in a second. You'll know that's true,
y'all say, whoa, Thanks for bringing him back. So what
I'm going to tell you, I got this lineup right now,
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and the person's coming on in a second that it's
a surprise. But next week after this, Robin Casargan's coming
back on, and then after Robin, my wife Donna's coming on,
and then the two hundred show, Jim Stowball's coming on.
So we got we got a beautiful line up here,
and I feel I feel successful. I feel really good
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about what we've been doing. And it's all because of
all of you that have given me the encouragement by
by saying that keep doing it. Steve, you know you
got something good here. So with that said, today's show
is episode one ninety seven, Right Thinking with Steve. Copeland
is very pleased to announce that this week's show was
called Everybody Speaks with guests Leffert Fate tune in and
(01:50):
here Steve and Leffert discussed Leffert's new book that deals
with the fact that everyone has a voice and should
be able to freely express it. What is holding you back?
This conversation will help you greatly to bring your voice forth, Leffort,
I love you, Thanks for being with me. I'm glad
to be with you today.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
What's up brother, how you've been man?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm excited. I'm excited because because you know, we talked
the other day and I just think that I think
that a lot of times, you know, it's cloudy outside,
but then that sun comes through and then it's like, wow,
you know, you kind of forgot what it's like. If
it's been like a lot of storms for a long time,
and we all been going through a lot of storms,
you know, we we can get into any level of
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where the storms are in this world right now. But
one thing that you and I share in common is
we ain't about this world. We're about the Kingdom, and
so whatever's going on in this world, we're going to
go through, continue to do the best we can, trying
to help one another, love our brothers and sisters. Is
that correct, Leffort?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But see, Steve, you need to start with that because
you always tee some stuff up to take me somewhere else.
The reality is the son is always there. That's beautiful
and as you in, but I almost stay with the
sun versus the s O N because you'll have me
preach in And that's not what this is about today.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, it kind of is, Leffort, because you just did
what you always do. You know, Leffort, I can't tell
you right off the top of my head, but you
have been my guest in one way or another. Now,
what I mean by that is is that you have
a several of your own programs and design your empowered year.
We spent a year doing that with Mizziel and John
(03:35):
and five U and y'all invited me to be kind
of like the host that kind of be the moderator,
and and I did. I did a whole year of
working with you all on your program, and that program
was so powerful. My wife and I did it together
with you. Uh you know. It was kind of based
on Maslow's hierarchy of needs and understanding life and awareness
and things and moving forward. It was a lot of
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beautiful stuff. But we had we had four shows on
that probably twelve shows combined with the four of you
that were on as guests separately. It was like spin offs.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
We did a lot of stuff together that I brought
in each one of you, But you did probably twelve
or thirteen shows with me, just you coming on board.
And every time you're on board, my wife loves me
more because you always bring some beautiful stuff out that
She's just glad that I was able to bring you
on to share what you've got. Yeah, I'm kissing up
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to you for a reason because you're real. Not only
are you real, you're four You like that. That's good.
What I'm referencing here is I've got a curriculum and
I've got an announcement to make Leopard. I don't have
it to hold up and show you on this that
we're video and as I do the radio show today
in the mail, while I was talking to Robin cassarzan
(04:50):
to ask her if she'll be my guest for one
of these shows building up to the two hundredth show.
She's so beautiful, she said, I said, do you have
the time? She goes. No, I don't, Steve, she goes,
But I'm going to do it because it's you. That's
the kind of beautiful person. Robin is the kind of
person you are. But after two years, we're talking about
perseverance here, persistence. I got a check today from GTL
(05:13):
for my first prison curriculum installation in a jail system
called called Winnebago County win Obego County in Rockford, Illinois.
And so I was talking to the phone on with
Robin and Donna comes in and opened it up and
handed it to me. While I was on the phone
with Robin, I told her I'm going to cry because
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you know, we've gone a long way to get it.
But the reason that I'm highlighting that is Lefford, You're
part of that curriculum. And I've got this what we
call it the resource module, where I have four and
I build it at the time as four of my
I'm going to read this. It was episode one oh seven.
It was called a Message from Lefford's Feet. This is
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not today for those of you that just tuned in,
this is what I'm just referencing that Lefford did this
with me episode one oh seven. This week's show is
called a Message from Lefford Feate. Tune in and here
Steve interview Lefford Fate, best selling author, mentor and leadership coach.
This interview is the second and a four part series
featuring four of the most inspirational motivational people that Steve
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has the privilege to call his friends. Listen to effort
talk about for real, his five Steps to Success program, philosophy, relationship, equipping, attitude,
and leadership. You will learn how the choices you make
based on your philosophy can create your roadmap to success.
Don't miss this powerful show. We're not going to talk
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much about that today, but what I did in preparation
for today's show this morning at four o'clock in the morning,
I do a lot of podcasts Around four four thirty
or five. If I happen to wake up and I
plug in my here and age and their Bluetooth, and
my wife doesn't know I'm listening. She can't tell. And
I listened to that episode of Effort, and that episode
was done on a VA along with Don Green, Napolin
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Hill Foundation, Jim Stoveall Entrepreneur of the Year two thousand
and Robin Cassarsian and this show. I just listened to
it so I could just have an hour of my
my friend Leffert this morning, just to get me tuned
in and excited about what we're getting ready to do.
So Leffort, we're going to launch in a second. In
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the conversation that we started the other day about everybody speaks,
But I just I just want to tell you, Effort, sincerely,
from the bottom of my heart. You're just a wonderful friend.
I love it. You've done so much for me, and
I just wish you forever and ever all the success
that you already know is coming because you understand it.
You serve the Lord as beautiful as anyone I know.
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And I just want to say thank you, Leffort.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, thank you Pardner. I appreciate that. Man. Congratulations, it's
pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
We were having this conversation yesterday about what comes forth
and as.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I said, it wasn't a yes. But the sun is
always that.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Sometimes we can't see it because of the storm and
because of the clouds and because it's night wherever we are,
but the sun is there and sometimes you can't see it.
But just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's
not there.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh No, that's that's a great attitude. And and I'm
not going to go in and say much more about
you know, what you've done before, the books you've written
or whatever. But but I will say one thing while
I got you before we get into the subject for today.
I got introduced to you by the person that was
the founder of Talk Network Radio that this show airs on.
(08:38):
His name is Jeff Heiser, and Jeff Heiser uh he
he gave me a chance to have my own show
on his network, and and he kind of turned me loose,
and he was helping me line up some interviews, and
one day he says, hey, I want you to I
want you to call Leffard Fate. I want I got
a guy you'll you'll do a great interview with him.
He's terrific. And at the time I think you were
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just finishing up in South Carolina in the prison Department.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Still working at the Department of Press.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, so, I mean you got a whole background department corrections. Again,
I'll try not to do your whole background. But he
said you'll be a perfect person to talk to. And
he didn't know that he created a marriage made in
heaven and we've been together ever since. And Jeff, I
just want to thank him for introduce me to it.
But but le effort, today's show is going to be
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about Everybody Speaks. So you know you told me, I said,
what would you like to talk about on this show? Left,
and you said, well, how about Everybody Speaks. It's a
book I'm working on. It's going to be coming out soon.
And I said, well, that's a beautiful title. You want
to just sort of talk about everybody Speaks. But I
know the cats never had your tongue because you're an
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international toastmaster, world champion kind of candidate guy, you know,
South Carolina champion maybe, although I remember you came in
second because that girl beat you that day with the
most emotional speech that anybody's ever given. And you know
it made me cry when I heard her too. And
but but you you were a gracious, gracious second place
person there. And so the bottom line is leffort. What
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does everybody speaks really really talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Steve, everybody speaks is it's just that there's so many
people that say I'm afraid to speak or I can't speak,
and it's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And I've studied for years this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The number one fear of people is public speaking.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And you know, I've heard that so many times.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And you know, I just couldn't believe this, Steve, Well,
probably because I hang out with people like you and
me who who love to talk, right, But the reality is,
I've heard it so much and it's and it's really heartbreaking.
And this is why I think everyone has a voice.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
That needs to be heard.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And if you if you don't reve feel that, if
you don't reveal your gifts, you're not only you're not
only hiding what you have to give to the world,
that you have something that someone is needing to receive.
And so I'm here to tell you that everybody speaking
it and it's nothing to be afraid of, and don't
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hold yourself back because of fear. There's several reasons that
people are afraid to talk or speak in public, and
the book that I'm writing is to debump that and
to help people walk into their greatest them right. And
the book that I'm co authoring with the Napoleon Hill
Foundation as a copy of it right here.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It was written in nineteen fifty by guy by the name.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Of Jay Martin Cohen, and it was it was a
book that at that time was helping people to actually
exercise their voice. And that's basically what I want to
talk about. But the interesting story about this, all these connections, Steve,
all these beautiful connections, Jepheiser introduced us.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You introduced me to Don Green.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I became a member of the Napoleon Hill Foundation based
on that trip. Based on that, I ended up speaking
on a cruise in the Caribbean where Don Green was
in the audience and I was speaking about the art
of public speaking, and he came up to me after
that presentation, Stephen, he says, Lefford, I've got this little
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book that I've been holding on to for years, and
I think you're the perfect person to rewrite this thing.
It was released in nineteen fifty, and we need to
get it published. We need the world to hear your
story and this story because people need to be able
to speak their minds. And so less than a year later,
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I'm working on this book. So thank you for speaking
into my life, and so based on that, I can
speak into others lives and maybe, Steve, maybe we can
make just a small dent in this world.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
We're going to we already are. And I want to
tell you you were so welcome. But I got to
tell you I did you a favor the way you're
telling me that, But I want to tell you the
real favor wasn't for you. It was for Don Green
and the Paul and Hill Foundation. Because when you told
me that you wanted to be involved with the Paul
and Hill Foundation because you wanted to perhaps write the
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think and grow rich for the military. No, Lefford, thank
you for your service to our country thirty one years
as Master Chief, highest ilicted rank in the Air Force.
And that's absolutely beautiful. By the way, when Jeff Heiser
introduced me to you, y'all got into an argument over it.
You know, he told me that even though you were
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an Air Force guy, he would stoop down to let
me meet you. That's what he said, and you know that.
But he was joking because he loves you too. But no,
when I told Don Green that I that I that
I met Lefford Fair and that you would like to
write that book, Don Green basically said, Steve, do you
know how many people come to a Ploynio Foundation want
to do something? And he goes, if he's serious, tell
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him that he needs to take this class. And so
when I told you that, you know, you had a
choice that you could have made. You could have said, Steve,
I'm pretty well established. You know, I'm one of the
founding guys on the John Maxwell team. Early out you know,
I got in early. There must be twenty thousand of
them out there now and you're in the first group
of you know, like a handful. But you said, you
know that's reasonable. He doesn't know me, and I'm willing
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to do that, and you just jumped right on board.
And all I can tell you is you did me
one of the greatest favors of my life by being
yourself and Don Green embracing you and taking you all
the way into under that friendship that y'all have and Leffort.
It makes my heart warm to know how this is
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the way it's supposed to be in life, where you
meet people that you that you can trust, that you know,
got your back, that are who they say they aren't
going to you know, they do what they say they're
gonna do. And so with that said, you're welcome. And
don he just told me the other day. Yeah, Lefford,
he's a great guy man. Yeah, he's terrific. You know,
he's terrific, you know. So so yeah, we got a
lot of love floating around.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, and but.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Let's let's let's jump into the speaking part, because again
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Someone needs to hear this.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Just recently, we're talking about your beautiful bride and her
speaking and what she has inside of her, and she
actually was able to.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Release some of that doing a homegoing for a father.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And the reality is that there's so many people that
have something on us awesome. There's so many people that
have something within them that they struggle to release, They
struggle to get out because of fear. And and one
of those fears I think is because most people think
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that they got to be perfect. They feel that in
order for them to say something, they got to be perfect.
And perfection is a myth. Perfection is a myth. There's
no but one person that was ever perfect, right, And
so you don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You just got to come from the heart. You got
to prepare, you got to do all those things. But
all of us got something to say.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And if you're just willing to say it in this acrostic,
I gott.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I love acrostics.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Acronyms people like to call them, but I love acrostics
and I have acroustic.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That is care.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And if you care about your audience, Steve, if you
care about the people that you're talking to, and if
you're trying to give that person a gift, you have
a message.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That they need to receive. And what does care mean?
Care means you got to be curious about the people
you're talking to. You got to care.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You got to want to know what's up with them,
what they're about. You have to be available. You have
to be when you're speaking to somebody, how am I
available to them? One of the things I love about
you and your shows and your purpose, Steve, is that
you are there for people that a lot of people
aren't there for and as much as you do for
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the least of them, and you are there for least,
so you're available to do things for people.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You are there for me. You are there for the
returning citizens.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
You're there for Stowell, you're there for doctor, You're there
for your your wife and a father. You're there for people.
So when you're available, that makes the difference. Respect is
the r And when I say respect, now use it
as the root word. Respect full and respectable. Respect Full
and respectable people buy into the messenger before they buy
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into the message. Right, So if you are a respectable person,
somebody that people cares about, somebody that they know that
they're bringing goods, solid information, then people will listen to you.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And respectfull is that you can.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
You may disagree with somebody, you may disagree with their point,
but you're not You're not disrespecting that other person. And
find been an encourager. Encouraging I mean encouragement is dividamin.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
For the soul.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And so I always say, if you care for people,
if you care for your audience, if you care for
your people, then a message that comes from you.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
To them is going to be special because what is
that great.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Phrase out of the heart the mouth speaks and so
whatever you're putting out there, if you care, then that
is going to make for a powerful, powerful message, even
if you're not perfect in your communication.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, that's that's well spoken. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
The thing is when I hear you speak and lay
it out like you do, I always connect to it
and it makes me think certain things that I have
parallels insane lessons that I've gotten in different ways. I'll
give you just two comments on what you just said.
One is that whenever I've been in prison, you know,
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like prison in halfway houses, pushing maybe close to five
hundred times in the last nine years, and whenever whenever
I'm in there, when I'll ask the counselor or somebody
that's in charge of the group when it's over, when
they thank me and I say, well, I hope they
liked it, and he goes, hey, Steve, they liked it.
You know they liked it because if they didn't, they
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would have let you know. And it's like, yeah, that's
not the easiest crowd in the world, so to speak,
you know, but if you're in there speaking from your heart,
the last thing in the world that people don't want,
and it's just what you just said. They do not
want a can speech buy my book type of a thing.
If a guy's on the speaking circuit and he's hawking
his book or whatever his program is, and he's talking
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to people and it's no more where am I today?
Tell me before I go on stage who the people are,
and he just keeps shooting out the same thing, and
it's just that will never work. That's insincere. It's all
about the person wanting to sell his books. We have
to be mission oriented and not worry about the money
that will follow. However that works. You know, success will
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follow when you do what you love and you're a little.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Comp it will come. And it's not about you. You know,
I studied a lot of great speakers, and I just
went through a course with them, with John Maxwell, and
oh my goodness, I can't believe that I cannot remember
his name.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Family feud, Steve Harvey, Steve the comedian.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
We're talking about when you're speaking, you're actually there for
the audience. It's not about you looking good. It's not
about me looking good. It's about being good to those people.
And that's why I always go back to there's no
need to seek perfection. You know, you're trying to bring
it and you're trying to be good so you can
give a good gift, but you're not trying to Hey
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look at me, You're trying to be there for that
other person. And when you speak from the heart with that,
then it is going to resonate with that person. It
is going to be something that that person could accept.
Because I got to be honest with you. I've seeneople
sell books and videos and sell lots of stuff, and
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they sold they sold it, but that wasn't their primary thing.
It was because they cared about the people and they
know and the seals not just to make money. Selling
is selling the idea because you're selling them something in
the penitentiary, in the institution. You're selling to them that they.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Can be more, have more, and do more.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
And you're selling them that they are enough in that
they are the King's kids, that he loves them. When
he looks at them, he sees warriors, he sees kings,
he sees princes, he sees princesses, he sees queens. And
you're selling and that's a hard sell for somebody who
don't believe in themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like I said, Steve, you know I've done a lot
of it. In a lot You've kind of highlighted that stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But when I left the military in twenty twelve, all
of that stuff that I achieved meant nothing to me
because I was afraid to come out into the civilian
sector because I joined the Air Force when I was a.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Boy, and I was leaving as a man, like seventeen
years old when you joined the air Force.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I joined the Air Force. I was seventeen years old.
I said it before, but at bears repeating, I left.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I went left my dad's house, went to Uncle Sam's house,
and at forty eight years old, I was coming back
into civilian community, and I was terrified because I spoke
Air Force, I spoke military.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And if you spend any time around us, they say
we talk.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Fun, you know, pose and TD Wise and Roger that
you know, all these things, that what are they talking about?
And so it was a bit of a tough transition.
But what I realized I started training. But one of
the greatest lessons I learned was when I'm speaking from
my heart and with authenticity, and I'm speaking to present
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a gift to the people that I'm talking to, it works.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It just worked.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So I'll tell anybody, don't try to be perfect, just
try to be true. Another another point, steve that, and
again you jump in whenever you get a chance to.
But I just want to give a few pointers to
help people out. You know, many times we let a
past failure or a past pain or.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Hurt stop us from speaking.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Somebody laughed at us, or we didn't get it quite right,
and then all of a sudden, people like, wow, I'm
never going to try that again. Don't let your past
stop you. Don't let your past stop you. I had
a speech impediment. I used to say, and if you
listen hard enough, you're here to dems and dose and
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these you Northerners oftentimes look at us country boys and say.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Man, they talk funny. But that's who I was.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And for many years in my life I didn't want
to speak because I was concerned that people were going
to laugh at me.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Because they, to be quite honest, they used to like it.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And after I kept going with it, I got better
at it and I didn't get stuff on my past.
I tried to grow from it. So if you get
to a point where you avoid beating.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yourself up, it can be you can be very successful.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I think life is like a school, and it could
also be like a club. When I was a young guy,
I used to like to go to the club.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I know you did to state.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
But you can use life as a club and beat
yourself with it, or you can use it as a
school and learn from it. So why not use it
as a school and don't let your pass hurt? What
was this Star Wars movie where Yoda told young Luke,
don't try.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Do don't try do?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh, don't try do, don't try do?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, Yeah, that's that's when that's May the force be
with you when it just is you. You know, you're
that's a total harmony, plugged in kind of a thing.
And oh yeah, that's a good that's a good expression. Absolutely,
And how.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They comes with speaking, most of us, Steve I like it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I mean, you're a professional speaker.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
You you don't think about it like that, but you're presenter.
You go out and speak to thousands of people. You
have one hundred and ninety seven episodes.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, you're one ninety seven today.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You're a professional speaker. You don't try to speak, you speak.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
One of the things that I found that people do
that hurts their speaking is they say, you'll say, Donna.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Hey, I want you to well, I'll try I'll try. No, don't, don't.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Don't try speak because I believe that enthusiasm. Enthusiasm means
what the God within, and when you're speaking, that's God
releasing from you. So don't try.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Do I got my version of that to the same thing,
and that that's one of the things that I why
I speak freely is because I know that the Holy
Spirit is coming through me, and I don't question. I
like to open my mouth and be surprised sometimes you
know what's going to come out. Because when I get
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in beautiful conversations like we've had so many, I just
know that he's using me, and so I'm just a
vessel and I want to be used. That was what
I asked for all my prayers, my whole life was
God used me to help help help carry out your will.
Let me be an instrument of your will. My mother
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gave me that prayer so young. And so when you
do that, you're not supposed to to be afraid to
let him do through you what's going to happen. I mean,
you know who the number one person in all of
Bible history is is Moses. Look at the way he
was a speaker. You know, God put everything thing in
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him to do, and I mean he challenged it and
was afraid at first, but he got through that. But Leffert,
I mean, you know what on that you know most
of was a stutterer. Yeah, you know why he was
a stutterer. Do you ever hear the story behind the scenes?
Do you know why he was a stutterer?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Well, you know, my Jewish, my Jewish background used to
hear a lot of uh, you know, stories from the
Talmud and you know, not just straight Bible to kind
of fill in some storylines, and uh maybe you know
there there may be kind of like embellishing some of
the word. The word. The word is the word itself,
the Bible. That's that's the word. Some of the other things,
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you know, they they are open for conversation or debate perhaps,
But anyway, there's a there's a Bible story that I
learned as a kid that when the Pharaoh was going
to let him either live in the castle with his
daughter adopting him and bringing him in or not, some
of his advisors says, you can't trust him, and so
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they did a test. They put a great, big burned
bowl of some of the most beautiful jewels imaginable to mankind.
And they put another bowl of hot coals right next
to it, and they put the baby right there in
front of the two bowls, and they said, let's see
which one he reaches for. And if he reaches for
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the jewels, you know he's going to try to overthrow you.
And if he reaches for the coals, you know it's
going to be all right. Well, Moses was dazzled by
the sparkling jewels, and he almost had his fingers on
those jewels when in angel shifted his hand over and
made him touch the hot coals. And as soon as
he touched the hot coals, he touched his mouth. And
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that's why Moses had a speech impediment.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I have to admit, I've been studying the Bible my
whole life, and that's the first time I've ever heard that.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Thank you. Yeah. I got lots of stories like that,
well know, but but you know that that that was good.
I mean I was brought up on stories like that,
and and then as I got older in life, you know,
I had a chance to explore the writings where they
come from to make up my own mind. But I'll
tell you one thing. The Bible is the truth, It's
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the word, and I accept that, and that's that's that's it. Well,
let me.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Even with the story that as as Moses as a stutter,
he stills spoke power because it was the message came
not from him but through him, but.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
One of the and I like to call it an argument,
and I like to call it.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
An argument in the legal frame because you know, a
lot of people get caught up on an argument. Argument is,
you know, we have a different opinion we're working through,
so it's not a negative thing.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The argument is.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That just because it comes through you instead of from you,
doesn't mean we shouldn't work on our craft.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think everyone speaks, but it's just.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Like a musician who works on their instrument because they're
given a gift. And because you have that gift, it
is your talent. It is your gift, and you will
be called into account for how you use that. I
feel that we are called into account. So you start speaking,
even you may be a stutter, but you work on
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your craft because if you're gonna, if God gives you
a gift, and God's gift us is our talents. Our
gift to him is what we do with that talent.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So if you are going to.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Bring something and show to your father, who is in
heaven at the end of your days, and you're going
to present something back to him that he gave you,
do you want it to be the same thing that
he gave you or do you want to make it better?
So that's just a thought. But one of the things
that I found the reason that you can speak and
a lot of other great speakers because they keep filling
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themselves with good information, with powerful stuff. So I believe
that you're in but I believe you are a flow
based on steady well.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I would like to say this thank you and preparation
and acquiring knowledge and surrounding yourself with people of wisdom.
Anybody can talk and go sit down. Everybody's got an opinion,
you know, there's a lot of ways to say that.
You know, everybody's got an opinion. And you can go
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to a bar, you can go to, you know, a
place where they proverbally sit down and drink a beer
and talk to the person next to you. And everybody
knows that when people do that, the more beer they
sip on, the more freely they talk. But some of
the stuff that comes out of their mouth is worthless
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and it's just just whatever they do. It could be complaining,
it could be grousing, it could be gossiping. It could
be putting people down, it could be filth, it could
be whatever. Just because they talk freely doesn't mean it's
something that is worth listening to. So what I'm trying
to say, and you put it in care respectful, respect respectful,
respect respectable. I think that because we're unique children of God,
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each giving it our own unique gifts to use for
the glory of God to be servants because we all
have that a lot of people have a gift of
a quiet spirit where they're not going to be somebody
that's going to be real, loud and vocal and want
to assert themselves in a conversation. And so I want
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to say this before we go any further. You you
you told me that you knew from our conversation that
did Donna. She delivered the eulogy, the main one. Several
people spoke, but Donna's was the main one, sharing her
father's life. And when she was asked by our sisters
prior to the funeral, they said, do you do you
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want to speak? Well, I want to tell you, Donna
knew that she was born to speak to do what
she did that day there was She's never been more
certain and wanting to do something than to honor her father.
And what she did that day, she not only honored
her earthly father, she honored her heavenly father. And more
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people from her seventeen minutes of being on the pulpit
honor in her father have have gone further with wanting
to know more. I mean, I've got a brother and
a sister in law and other people that have been
asking so many questions and they can't stop talking about
how beautiful and how much the peace that we experienced was.
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And when we told them we could only experience that
peace because her father, her father ed my father in law,
a man that I greatly love. Also he knows the
Lord Jesus Christ, and he was called home and it
was just so beautiful. But you see, as we go
back to speaking public speaking, some people can be very
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quiet and not like to public speak for whatever. But
if they've got this calling for what they need to do,
that sense of purpose and destiny for the lack of
a better word, right now, when they get up and speak,
it's going to be as powerful as anybody you've ever
heard in your life. And it was for my wife.
I have never been so proud to watch my wife.
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And I sat there and all I could think was,
I am so blessed to be in this family with
my father in law and to hear my wife speak
the way she's speaking to all of us right now
about his life. And I got to tell you, my
only thing was I didn't speak that day intentionally because
I didn't want to. I just want my wife to
speak because I knew and it was incredible. But I
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would said one thing. I would have said one thing,
and I'll say it right now. Every single time for
seventeen years that Ed and I hung out together, I
went over there, we went somewhere, whatever. There wasn't one
time that I didn't thank him for letting me marry
his daughter. And that was that was my life with
with Ed. So you know, it's a beautiful life. That's
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our favorite movie, by the way. You know it's a
beautiful it's a beautiful life, but it's a wonderful Life's
the name of the movie. It's a wonderful life with you.
Jimmy Stewart and Donna reed. But let let me get
back to the book that you're doing. You're you're a
professional speaker in a true sense. You train and coach people.
I mean you you've you've done so much of this.
I mean you've done your TED talk with I don't
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know the number, it's got to be over six hundred
thousand dollars. Listeners have have tuned into it. It's a
beautiful thing. And you know, you speak and you write,
and but you're you're a mission servant person. You know,
you're out there. You're a man with a mission. You're
trying to make the world a better place. You're trying
and you do things. You do what you say you're
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going to do. With that said, what what are some
more pointers on people that are a little shy maybe
to take the podium, to take the microphone. What are
some more things that you coach people to do? Because
what I like to do is hear all you want
to say about the book and the intent of it.
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But speaking from the heart, that's the whole idea. You know,
just have belief in what you're doing and then just
don't let anybody tell you you're not good. I know
that to be a fact. Just get out.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
But don't I'll go back, just not for a second.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
The reason she was able to do what she did
because it was something that was inside that needed to.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Get out, and she prepared.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And so there are things that you can do.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
If you have something to say, prepare to say it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
It doesn't have to be very long.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I did some studying on the sixteenth President, President Lincoln,
and when you gave the Gettysburg Address, quite arguably one
of the greatest speeches of our country in the world.
People all over the world know that. And it was
two minute speech. Yeah, the same day that he gave
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that two minute speech, Edward Everett, he was a Harvard president,
gave a speech that was over two hours long and
it was a powerful speech, powerful speech. But people don't
remember that speech, but they remember the getty's Burg Address.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And Everett was the keynote, the primary speaker, and it
was powerful.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But you know what's the funny thing about that short
speech that has touched the world that there are kids,
there are kids today that can recite that speech.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know that the president thought he did a horrible job.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Lincoln went home and told his wife that he failed miserably, and.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Even the papers, the media.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Came out and said, what kind of a president did
we have that he couldn't do better than that? But
Everett came back and said this. He said, he said
in two minutes what I couldn't say in three hours.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And even.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
It doesn't have to be long. It has to be powerful,
and it's got to matter. And if you say it short,
but it makes impact, that's all that counts. You don't
have to speak for three four ten hours. There's a
lot that can be And you and I, you know,
we can talk for hours and hours and hours, but a.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Lot of times it's not as powerful.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I mean, the greatest teacher of all times, Jesus Christ,
and didn't.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Talk a life.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
He said, hey, you follow me.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
That was a speech, but more of more of the
speech came from remember the messenger, not the message. It
was because of who he was and what he did
that he can speak and say such a small amount
of things because his character carrying the message. I will
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say that Donna's character carried the message.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Further than her words would have. Yoh, yeah, I'm going
to give you. I guess it was in nineteen sixty
when John Fitzgerald Kennedy was running for president. If that's
not the most powerful thing for our country that I'd
ever heard. I was nine years old, I heard it
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one time, and I'm sixty years later. It's the most
beautiful thing. That sums it all up. A's succinctly as
it can be said. When John said it is an
ugural address, it was actually in nineteen sixty one when
he took the office in January. But when he said,
ask not what your country can do for you, but
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what you can do for your country, that says everything.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I've studied that phrase and why it's so powerful. And
in the book, I'm going to actually talk about out
that particular ask not the rhyme, the rhythm, how he
put it together, the sickness of it. I'm going to
talk about that. That's one of the most beautiful passages
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with power that you can find out there. So I
talk I talk a lot about presidents, because when you
want to follow the leadership, you take a look at
presidents of the United States, whether you like him or
don't like him, that is the key to leadership. And
so there are several speeches and statements and quotes that
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I use how people did it well and how people
didn't do it so well.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
So yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
That's one of my favorite ask not yeah, beautiful powerful.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I got one more quote from a world leader, Winston Churchill,
that I now that man. That man. If you want
to go google him, you can probably come about sixteen thousand.
What you got there? Everybody speaks Winston. Oh look at you. Yeah,
he's right on your From Winston Well, I use I
use one of his quotes and in my all my
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workbooks that I in my curriculum, and and it's, uh,
it's such a powerful quote. And it's uh, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you to you. It's it's
like I'm gonna grab it right right here for you
so that I can show it to you in writing
as I do it. It's one of my perseverance quotes
that that I've been using for my whole program. If
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you're going through hell, keep going. But what's interesting about
that is there's a second verse. That first verse, many
many people have heard that first verse going through hell,
keep going, But the second verse is the icing on
the cake. Are you ready go for it? I don't
get through hell so fast. The devil won't even know
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you've been there. I didn't know that one either.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
One one of the quotes that I like from Winston
is is basically it talks about if you there will
come a time in your life that you will be
asked to do great things, it will be a shame
if you're not prepared for it. I love that that's
a paraphrase, but the bottom line is you have to
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be ready. And that's the thing with speaking. Everybody speaks,
and I got an eye on the time everybody speaks.
And because everybody speaks, just be ready. Practice what you
have to say. It doesn't have to be long, but
just be willing to say it. There's a I started
this whole thing out about talking about Don Green or
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you started out, and then we started talking about Don,
and Don.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Invited me to do this.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
And so one of the best stories that I got
about speaking is from the story Darby's story three.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Feet from Gold.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Oh absolutely, I love it.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
The story where you know he had he basically had
one of the largest gold veins, gold mindset that could
have brought him great riches, and he stopped three feet
from the Promised Land, for he could have been rich
beyond measure and he stopped. But what he did was
he learned from that failure because he.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Stopped a lot of us.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
There's been times in my life that I failed and
failure stopped me instead of what did I.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Learn from that?
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And so we're going to make mistakes, we're gonna mess up,
we're not gonna get it right, we're gonna choke on
our words. We're gonna do that if we use that
opportunity to learn, we are three feet from God from everything,
Steve Alltaeil, I promise you there were times when the
words would not come, and I was and you may
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not believe that now, as much as I love to
talk with the words when I come or I was
messing it up and I made a fool of myself,
and it would have been so easy to stop, but
I had to back up and say, you know, Lefford,
what did you.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Learn from that? Well?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Maybe I didn't prepare, okay, Maybe I didn't know enough.
Maybe it was all about me versus about the people
that I was speaking to.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Maybe it was me.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Talking about something I didn't know anything about, that I
didn't believe in. And so as you go through the
process and you say, Okay, what did I learn from it?
And then okay, let me get back on that horse,
let me give it another shot, let me do my
caddag as.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
You martial artist likes to say. And what I found
was that it worked.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
And again, because everybody speaks to some level, it's not
one of those things that we need to be afraid of,
because fear is it's an illusion when.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
It comes to speaking, because.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Unless you say some crazy sideway stuff, nobody's going to
shoot you for speaking. And we almost we almost acted
like if we get up and speak, that they're going
to kick us out of the village.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Or beat us or hurt us.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It's not that when you're speaking, we're passing on information
that can help somebody.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Leffert, There's no question I picked up a definition of
fear the other day, or an acronym for fear that
I never heard before. False emotions appearing real.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I've heard a.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Lot of those false evident appearing real. The one I
like is there's two I like, and I think they're funny.
Face everything in rise, face everything, and run is another one.
But you can look at it as positive or negative.
If you face everything and rise up to the occasion.
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Fear can be what you make it. We talked several
times on this. Actually we did study on the ghosts
of fear.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Now you did a whole episode on it.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And one of those ghosts of fear is the fear
of criticism.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
And that's one of the things that we're concerned with.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
If we're speaking, somebody is going to say something about us,
They're going to judge us, and.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
We're going to feel horrible based on it.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
But if you look at failure or or criticism as
a critique or correction, then that person is helping versus hurting.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
And so what I said it.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Before, but I said again, it's all about how we
receive what someone gives us. And one of the things
I know state that some people are going to try
to hurt you, some people are going to try to
criticize you. Some people will but you can use that
to your advantage because this is what I've learned. Have
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you the young people call it throwing shade? Have you
heard that?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
That phraseology again, throwing shade, throwing shade.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
No, I understand it, but I've never heard it yet.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's a younger people think called throwing shade being snarky
that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
What what about putting a wet blanket over something?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, something something like or yeah, it's just like that.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
But this is what I know.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
If somebody comes at you like that or tries to
break you down or criticize you and pull you down,
I got a little trick.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I give that little goofy look. Oh thank you.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, yeah, Because there's a couple of ways.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
People can mean it.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
If someone says something to hurts your feelings, If they
say something to hurts your feeling, if they did not
mean to do it, they it'll just pass on.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
If they meant to do it, they'll try it again
because it got to you. Because they're getting to you.
They're needling you in their responding.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
But they'll try to get if you if you give
them a look like yep, what youre talking about?
Speaker 2 (47:44):
That didn't bother me.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
If they if they really are trying to hurt you,
they will say it again.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yep, they don't say it again. It was an accident
that didn't mean to You can press on.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I like to. I like to pray for people to
begin with when they're at that level, at a lower
base level, I like to just figure well, they had
a hard life and they didn't learn how to treat
people properly. And I'll accept that. I'm going to love
them and I'll let their behavior go as long as
it's not hurtful or harmful to people.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
You're a better man than me because it depends. I
will forgive them, but I will release them.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Also, I won't hang around with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
But what I found is that most of the time
people aren't trying to hurt you. Sometimes they just make
mistakes and again, if they want to hurt you, they'll
say it again or and so I'll just let it
go when I'm speaking to someone if they and if
I say, you know, this is hurtful, and if they
continue to do the same thing, then I can say.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
They don't care.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
So there's a lot of ways to deal with it
so it doesn't hurt you.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
So that's kind of the whole process.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
And like I said, you're better than me with that
big bro us stuff that I'm still working on. But
the majority of the people that you're speaking to are
really not trying to hurt you. They can be, they
just they're just that way. And so that helped me out,
which which is actually interesting. We start talking about speaking
and we got onto a lot of other things, but
(49:18):
I want to I just want to close with this because.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
I know you prob.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
You made me promise that we'll we'll keep the time
right that, Steve, all of us have something that we
were We have a purpose, the reason we're here. And
because I'm a speaker, I believe that people are here
to say something and don't be afraid to speak. There's
something out there that somebody needs to hear, and they
(49:44):
may not hear my voice, Steve, they.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Might not hear yours. It may require somebody like a dinner.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
It may require someone like a Johnny, It may require
someone like a Tioma, It may require someone like a gymsto.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
But everybody speaks.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Everybody has something that they were put here to set.
And please don't be held up by fear, because fear
has stopped more people from expressing their gifts than anything
that I've ever come.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
In contact with.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
That's great advice. I think I would be remiss if
I didn't ask you to speak for a moment on
the point that I want to ask you to speak
on connect listening speaking, Please.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Connect listening to speaking.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
I believe that it's important as it is to be
a good speaker communicator, I think it's more important to listen.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
We were gifted with two ears in one mouth.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
I think sometimes if we listen, we'll know what we
should speak on, because just because you.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Can doesn't mean you should. There's a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Of information out there. For instance, I think I don't
think I told you the story. I know I told
you this story. A few years ago, my daughter Rudy,
was home from college and we were watching this show
called Thirteen Reasons Why.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
And this Thirteen Reasons Why was a show based on a.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Young girl that committed suicide. And I could not understand
why this girl committed suicide. I just, you know, I'm
a mental health guy, so I kind of should know, right,
And I was like, it just didn't resonate with me,
and my daughter said something, I can't understand why she
did it, because sometimes people make you feel like you're
not worthy, like you're not there, that you're just invisible.
(51:35):
And you know, I went for a long time not
listening to her, and I could have lost her because
I was not listening. I was talking a lot, I
was passing on knowledge, but I wasn't listening to.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Understand who she was and what she needed.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
So if I had the gift of anything, I would
prefer and I love communicating, I love commune. You can
and that's my gift, and that's what I want. But
I think it would serve us better to.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Be able to listen.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
And listening is not just the exercise of vibrations going
across ear drums. Is watching, listening, feeling that is listening.
You listen to more than just your sense of hearing.
And I think if we listen, we can understand. And listening,
(52:30):
I think is a very important part of communication. And
if you listen while you're speaking, you listen to your audience,
you listen to your people, you listen to your family.
I think you're speaking will be clear because you're speaking
into the needs of the people.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Thank you for addressing that two things. As we come
to a close, and then you can have the last word,
you'll probably we're probably good for another hour because I'll
say a couple more things that we're going to wake
us both up here. But here's here's one thing. When
we're engaged in a conversation with another person, the cardinal
sin is to try when you're trying to hear, when
(53:09):
you're supposed to be paying attention and focused on what
they're saying so you can process it. If you're already
blocking them out and not hearing what they're saying because
you're trying to put your response together and you're just
waiting for that moment where you can hear a pause
and then just respond right back in. That is in
(53:30):
no way that I think that's the cardinal sin of communication,
is to be formulating your response without hearing what they're
even trying to communicate. So I want that one in
there left. You said something so beautiful just now, and
my closure, and then you'll speak again. Please. I think
that the secret that I've learned that I've listened to,
(53:51):
that I can sum up from what you've had to
say is this, if you know that you're that unique
child of God, created in his image, formed for him,
and that you're unique, and that you've been given gifts
and you have absolutely nothing else that you ever know.
(54:12):
Psalm one thirty nine, verse thirteen through fourteen says, for
you create it my inmost being, You knit me together
in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am
fearfully and wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful. I know
that full well. If you can believe that and know that,
(54:36):
you will be able to speak your mind whenever you
choose to.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
I think, even though we know that there's still fear
and they're still unworthiness, there are people that feel unworthy
and to be quite frank to some of us, that
need to shut up sometime and allow other peoples.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
To speed it.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
I mean, so I can agree with that and that
that is that is truth.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
But if for some.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Reason you can't believe those things, Oh hey, hey, Leffort, Leffort,
you are the Leffort that I know in love, you
are not a yes man.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
And no.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
Matter what I say sometimes from trying to pursue the
point with you, what I said just now this is
one of those legal arguments clarifications here. What I said
is simply you have to have that to enter into
the realm that you are teaching us to take who
(55:39):
we are and train and prepare and get better at it.
And you said early out in the show, it is
our purpose to make better what God entrusted us with,
what he gave us. So you're absolutely right. You just
furthered the point and yeah, I'm a simple guy. You
always use that line on me too. But the point is,
(56:01):
in order to be able to have confidence in your
ability to express yourself, just believe who you really are.
And if you've got that down, then seek more, acquire wisdom,
acquire knowledge, put in the preparation, and know that you
have no reason to be ashamed of who you are.
Speak your mind fully, you know, go forth and multiply.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
And Steve, I wasn't saying that to disagree. What I'm
saying is that you can say that the number of
people that cannot receive what you just said is huge.
And I think one of the problems that us saved
people have a huge problem, in my opinion, is that
we expect people to have the same measure of faith
(56:46):
that we have. And that's a problem because everybody does it.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Because if it was that easy, everybody would receive it.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
So and like I said, you're one hundred percent right,
sometimes we have to under understand how we can connect
with those people because the number of people that I
look at you and those in the prisons when you
go into prisons, ninety percent of the people that hear
what we say about they can be and do and
have more, aren't believe in us because they just cannot
(57:15):
receive it.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
And we have to figure out a way.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
And that's why I will continue to say everybody speaks,
I'll continue to say you got something that's inside you.
I continue to say that you are the only one
can say some things, because sometimes it takes dozens and
dozens and dozens of times for somebody to tell that
person that same thing, and they're still not going to believe.
(57:40):
Eric Hoffer says something, there are rare times, no matter
how good we are, there are rare times that we
will see it.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
And when we do see it will only be for
a small amount of time. As I always say, we're
the King's kids, and we don't see it. Well, just
so you're one hundred percent believe.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
It that that I want everybody to know that you
have a right not to speak. You have a right
to speak when you want to speak. And as a kid,
one of the very first things we learned in like kindergarten,
first grade was when somebody said something hurtful to you.
Sticks and stones may break my boons, but words will
(58:21):
never hurt me. There you go, I think there's a
lot of truth to that one, and that is just
remember that you are a unique child of God, and
that's I'm gonna I'm gonna hold onto that and take
training from people that love you like Leffert loves me.
And everything's going to be all right. That's Bob Marley.
Everything's going to be all right.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah, everything's gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
You know, Effort, I said all one of the shows
with you that that I said, you know, Leffort, you
know can you sing? Because I because I mean, you
can do anything you want. You said, no, I can't sing. Well,
you you you you weren't telling me the truth that
day because you can't sing. Leffort, Thanks for given the
message today, Thanks for being with me, and I hope
(59:05):
everybody that was listening got a lot out of this.
Just remember, don't let anybody force you to do anything you
don't want to do, and just just believe in yourself
because I believe in you, le Effort. Anything you want
to say. The last part of this here.
Speaker 3 (59:20):
No, it's in there and being great and there's something
that you were put on this earth to do.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
I don't necessarily know what that is, but it's there.
And so release.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
It beautiful lef for God bless you everybody. Hope you
enjoyed it. Have a wonderful week and I'll see you
next week with Robin Cossars. Thank you, wait to hear
that one be beautiful. Thank you Leffort, God bless thanks
for listening to right thinking with Steve Copeland. I'll look
forward to being with you again next week and remember
(59:52):
don't quit.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Plan ahead.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
It will get better. God bless you, and have a
great week.
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