October 2, 2025 • 46 mins
Aidan Kearney talks his way out of his troubles but are his problems with Karen Read and Free Karen Read in the past?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, just because you didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house, who did it?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We don't know, and it's not for us to know.
Somebody other than Karen.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Somebody other than Karen is responsible for that, for the
killing of John. You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass
True Crime Report putting the true back in true crime
(00:45):
from New York City.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
ROBERTA.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Glass is now on the record.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh right here we go, Rna. She Fly nine Forensic
are and Lucky Pair Texas Brett. Was there a Grand
Jewelry sentencing? I thought that I'd been postponed till way later.
(01:34):
Did I miss it? You can maybe tell me. If so,
I'll get up on it for tomorrow or the next day.
B Rabbit, Christina, it's Jimbo. I agree with you, Rna, Okay,
I'll report on it tomorrow. I've been up to my
(01:58):
ear ears. I was gonna say, earballs your lobes over
my head with free Karen Reid the sort of resolution
I think, But people say it's the calm before the storm.
I don't know of Turtlegate of the recording of Karen
(02:19):
Reid and Aiden Turtleboy Carney, and it was really what
was a really riff in the innocence fraudsters all questioning
Aiden Carney and why would you record Karen Reid? And
you listen to those recordings, and reasonable people who've lived
(02:40):
on planet Earth could surmise that listening to those doo
scream at each other, that it sounds like two criminals
talking to each other. So, but everything's sort of a
okay in Free Karen and Free Karen Reworld. I think
they've all say that they realize that Aiden can't talk
(03:04):
about it because he can't admit to a crime. So
my understanding with wire tapping this is correct me if
I'm wrong, is that really the person who's illegally wire
tapped it would have to have the would have to
make the complaint for it to really go forward. So
(03:29):
without the cooperation of Karen Reid, how's it going to
go forward? So I think Aiden Carney knows that it's
not going to go anywhere. I mean, you have to say,
like I've been injured, there's like crime going on. This
guy is illegally recording me, and then Karen would have
to hand over those tapes. That's but for us to
report it, you know, like for just Joe Schmoe on
(03:51):
the street to report it. DA's office is busy. I
don't think they're gonna mean, it's like one of those
charges that it's not really going to go anywhere unless
there's a specific injury that's been done. You've been injured.
You've been injured, Jackie Dee. But so I just say
(04:13):
that because Aiden Turtleboy Carney says the reason he can't
talk about it, and nobody's asking him to talk about it.
You're just saying to like apologize to the people that
he called liars. That's all he has to do is
apologize to the people he called liars. But instead they're
being demonized. So this is sort of the way that
these groups go, the innocence fraud campaigns go. The person
(04:39):
with the most power isn't going to be brought down
by truth telling because they're all going to rally behind
him in his bad behavior. Because it really is like,
especially in this case, he Leslie loves October Fast, nice
(05:01):
to see you, topping off the catt or fund. Thank you,
hello everybody. It really is like what thank you, Weslie.
These people are addicted to this story. So on this side,
(05:27):
I can only go so many ways, right, I mean,
I can talk about a lot of different things in
the case, but I'm bound by the record in innocence
fraud cases, Like if I taking the opposite side, I
can go a million different directions. I'm only really limited
by my imagination. So I can take a kernel of
(05:52):
something and just go with it forever, and go into
total minutia and uh take a right turn and have
people looking for the quote unquote what they'd call the
real suspects wink wink, But we know it's not gonna
I mean, and people are endlessly addicted to that. It
(06:15):
is like their crack cocaine. They cannot get enough of it.
So nobody wants aiden to take away their their their
drug of choice. And where is this gonna go? I mean,
(06:36):
you know I was when I talked to Brenda Kine.
He talked about how he's really surprised to see free
Karen Readers at her civil trial because the only thing
on the money in civil court is who's gonna pay money? Right,
It's not her. Her freedom isn't you know, hanging in
(06:56):
the balance here.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
But for.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Karen Reiders, they're waiting, They're waiting any minute for the
Feds to come, for something else ginormous to happen, and
the real killer will be finally exposed. And this happens
in every almost every single case that I talked about
save a few and non sied West Memphis. Three people
(07:29):
are still They've gone from one step father to another
step father to sideline players. So it just can keep
going on and on forever. And they're blaming innocent people
for you know, the murder when it's really obvious where
(07:52):
all the evidence points to Karen Reid in this case
and nowhere else. I mean, you look at how thin
that defense was. So I'll be going on and debunking
some really free karenry talking points, but I mean it
(08:13):
was really summed up, like so I won't go crazy
with like just the you know, I'm not convinced that
this grand jury is gonna, you know, for is really
the beginning of anything. I've heard rumblings, I've heard rumors,
but I'm you know, talking about the grand jury and
(08:35):
the grand juror. I mean, I think she's really been
a picked off as just like a low level like
what do you call it? A patsy? Really, I mean,
like just a low level person in all this. I
mean her life has been ruined. According to the court transcript,
(08:58):
she's lost her job and for what and for helping
out a killer. I mean, good people can be fool
a boy, these innocent broad campaigns, it's you know, they
get wrapped up. It just seems so minor to me.
And I'll be I'll get on it tomorrow, talk about
(09:19):
it more tomorrow. So I think this is like summed up.
This is like a newcomer, this is this is the
I Don't Belong here podcast. Samantha Benego, her father Joe,
(09:42):
was like a big figure in New York talk show
Sports Talk Joe. She was a drug and alcohol counselor.
Is a lawsuit I made news here. She filed for
(10:06):
SA suit against her ex employer in twenty nineteen, in
March of twenty nineteen, and they say that that suit
is ongoing, says it's still pending. I mean, this will
give you an idea of how long these civil suits
can go on for. So we're in those who are
(10:31):
filing the Karen Reid civil suit. This could go on.
As the judge said, he has a case that's eighteen
nineteen years old. And I want to make a correction
on my reporting. I misunderstood that the judge he's going
to he is especially assigned to that case. He's not,
as for now, not going to be brought off that case.
So correction and important correction to make. But here's Samantha
(10:57):
So she's a newcomer to Free Karen Reid. I don't know.
She just seems to report repeat all the talking points.
Here's her take on the break in Free Karen read.
But Aiden Carney says he can't talk about it because
it would for self incrimination purposes and for Lorial Lee
(11:18):
purposes and they're all buying. That doesn't say why he
can't apologize to the people he accused of being liars.
But all that is being just forgotten. Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So we were just in the middle of a call,
which is why I have my headphones on, and it
stopped abruptly because I didn't realize with this pod being
when you schedule a call, you have to like pre.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
Ahead of time, put in how long.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know you're going to be on this call for
so I put in one hundred and twenty minutes and
it caught us off, which I felt really terrible about.
So I jumped on here and I said, let's do
it because Denise is awesome. She's like just just live stream,
like all right, I'm here, I'm here.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
So Hi, everybody, Hi, Sherry, I see. Yes, for everybody that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Wasn't in the call, welcome and for everybody that was
welcome back. We were just in the middle of a
discussion about you know, what happened of course on the
night thirty fourth Fairview Road, January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two.
Some of you may have heard, may have heard about it,
(12:35):
maybe maybe not.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
So we were just.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What happened. I'll tell you what happened. I can shed
some light on this mystery right now. Karen Reid and
John O'Keeffe, as John O'Keeffe said, their relationship had run
its course. He was trying to get rid of her.
(13:01):
Karen Reid wouldn't leave the home. That is, according to Kylie,
the niece's testimony, they went out before a storm. They
went out for drinks and of course John O'Keeffe had
to wait for Karen Reid to arrive because she said
she had a plumber over that she was waiting for
(13:21):
to fix her Richie the plumber to fix her hot
water issue. Apparently Richie did a good job of e
according to Karen Reid always put the toilet seats on
crooked and John O'Keeffe was ticked off about that. They
(13:41):
met for drinks. She had eleven a drinks at least
let me know of you know, in that last hour
before leaving, like one ever, like almost ten minutes or
nine minutes something like that. Yeah, she's drug. She hit him,
(14:11):
she left him to die. Yeah, that's the And they
drove on over to have a little get together with
friends from the bar, and John O'Keefe was Karen Karen
Reid's drink, got out of the car. I think he
was like, are you coming with me or not? She
(14:31):
and she put her foot seventy five percent on the
gas pedal going twenty four miles an hour up to
speeds of twenty four miles an hour in reverse and
clipped him and left him to die in a blizzard,
and then went to his house, not her house, went
(14:51):
snuck into his house and started thinking up ways to
cover up her crime. Never called nine to one one
in all of the in all of it, never never
called anyone for help, only called for help for herself. So,
I mean, I would love a free Karen Reader to
(15:13):
explain to me why she had to call Jen McCabe
and Carrie Roberts, why they were necessary, why she couldn't
just called nine to one one or go to the
scene alone. And I'll tell you why she didn't go
to the scene alone, because she goes to the scene alone.
What happened last night? Ye, there's her cracktail light all
over the scene. There's no time, there's never been any
(15:35):
evidence that any of it was planted, and there's no time.
It was literally impossible for anyone to plant that evidence.
Timeline does not add up. And then there's the microscopic
pieces of Karen Reid's tail light in John O'Keefe's shirt.
I mean, little bit of a problem for Karen Reid.
(15:59):
That's what happened. But she can just keep grifting off
of this forever.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Sort of throwing out theories about it. Earlier in our
conversation we had spoken a lot about.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And these theories can go on forever. I mean twenty
thirty years later, they can go on. And like I say,
it's really like the carrot just dangling in front of
the donkey for these people. And if I had a
dime for every comment that was like, you're going to
(16:33):
be really sorry when this, that, and the other case
that I'm talking about, when they're proved innocent and the
real killer gets revealed, You're going to be really sorry.
I had a dime for every comment I've gotten like
that over the years, I would be so rich. So
you do not get rich following innocence. Talking about innocence Ford,
(16:54):
I'll tell you that. I'll tell you that it's not
a money maker, but I mean gott to talk about it.
It is just such an avalanche in our society. I mean,
we're like so inundated with this media.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
About the kind of drama that's.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Going around in the free Karen Reid movement right now, and.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Decided that we were going to try to move away
from that.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I think the consensus discussion on that was that, uh yeah,
I mean it's bad for justice for John O'Keefe and
for most of us, right what do we want?
Speaker 6 (17:34):
We want justice for John.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
No, they wan't conspiracy theories. They want any they want,
tell me stories anyone but Karen Reid. That's what they want.
This is the most revolting stomach turning part is that
the groupies of the killer of John O'Keefe will use
(17:58):
the victim's name in the idea of justice for him
to absolve the person that all the evidence points against.
They already got her off with their innocence fraud campaign.
What more do they want? The guys, they really want
to solve them any minute, any minute, it's gotta be revealed.
(18:21):
It's like clue almost. It was this person and the
blah blah blah with this, and they love a lot
of these people hate the police, so they love stories
of a complete police conspiracy. But please, no one's interested
(18:44):
if it involves putting Karen Reid away, making Karen Reid
accountable in any way. None of them are interested in
justice for John o'kee It's revolting, stomach turning.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
And you know, it seems like there's a lot of
personal shots going back and forth right now, and I'm
sure we're not even anywhere near the end of this thing.
It seems like it's kind of getting bigger, and it
might get even more intense before it subsides. It's funny,
it's like in the air, right, It just you kind
of can feel the intensity ratcheting up, so it just
(19:21):
feels like it is. It's in the air. And yeah,
so hopefully we can bring the temperature down a little
bit and start to move away from this. Yeah, because
it's just not good. It's not good for for any
of us.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
And look, I get it, I get you know, right.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
So let's look over the bad behavior of others. Let's scapegoat.
And this is like not uncommon, you know, on both sides,
Like when bad behaviors pointed out, go after the person, know,
the person who's calling it out, don't go after the
person doing the bad behavior. It's like just a common
(20:06):
thing in life. And it has been on both sides
of this case. But the free Carent readers are excellent
at all coming together and overlooking any kind of bad
behavior because there's a lot of dark and disturbed personalities
involved in this. This woman is a mental health professional.
(20:27):
This is what I she works in New York City. Like,
mostly I worry about getting sick and being at the
hands of some of these dark and disturbed personalities who
are nurses, doctors, mental health professionals. That's right. It's like,
I don't worry about getting sick as much as I
(20:50):
worry about being the hands of some of these people.
They're disturbed.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Stuff happens, our egos get wounded. I completely understand. And look,
a lot of this predates me by a long time, right,
some of these folks, certainly Aiden and like Sean McDonough,
these guys have been doing this together for a long time.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
And so yeah, there's a history, right, there's history. There's history.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So I think a lot of what this is all
about is history.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And you know, I get it. It's not easy. It's
not easy taking the high road. It really isn't.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's definitely not about Aiden Karney recording Karen Reid without
her knowledge. It's definitely not about that. That's I mean.
For I mean, if you ask anyone what's what's this,
what's this uproar about? And free Karen Reid? Most people say, oh, well,
Aiden Karney recorded Karen Reid without her knowledge. And then
(21:48):
he screamed and swore at all the people who said
that he did it, and to call them liars and
then recordings came out of it. That would be like,
that's how I would describe the story, not Samantha. Samantha
would describe the story is that there was history's history
between people, and there's got to be some kind of
(22:10):
alterative motive that involved here. It's just history. It's not
about what it's about. Dis casslight your audience, point them
over there. I mean, just what how Karen read did
or defends.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But my point, and I think the point, we want
to see justice for John. And it's not good for
anyone to have everybody fighting. It's just not just gives
people that are in opposition, just gives them food.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I just want to keep grifting off of this story.
We've already we've already influenced the jury. What yeah, I didn't.
Can you know it's truly okay, my boyfriend just came in, No,
(23:16):
I can hear it. Okay, came in all right.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
For fodder.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It gives them something to hold on to and start
to spew out there, to try to spin the narrative. So,
uh so that's my take on it.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
You know, I hate to see it.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It's it's not good. It's just not good. But you
know I've said it before, I'll say it again. I
am extraordinarily grateful to Aiden Carney for all everything. I mean,
if it wasn't for his interest in this case and
being the person that he is, where he is willing
to do things.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
I would never do. I would never do what what
and Carney has done.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I would never, you know, be calling up Jennifer McCay
on her personal cell phone and asking her why did
you kill John o'keep right.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I would never be taking hundreds of people on a.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I would never be breaking the law on harassing witnesses.
That's a good thing somebody, not a bad.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Playing rally to Michael Proctor's home. So I give this
man tremendous credit. He's got balls of steel, and you know,
God bless him because here's the thing, here's the news splash.
Without him, I'm pretty sure Karen Reid would be in prison,
Michael Morrissey would be on his way to another term
(24:42):
because it.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Would go uncontested. There'd be nobody, you know, he would be.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Going up against nobody. Michael Proctor would still be a
police officer. Brian Telly, you're a Buchanic. All these people
would still be working out of Michael Morrissey's office.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
So all I can say is thank God for Turtle Boy.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Otherwise none of us would know any of this, and
it would just keep going, keep going, keep going. Right,
And Sam, I see Sam saying yes. So I see
Sam White saying loopole lawyer dudes that he's sending evidence
to the FBI.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
I have to tell you a lot of people, is he.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Really doing that or is he just telling his audiences
doing that? What has he done?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
He's got a killer off, he did a he poisoned
the jury, pool, raised a whole lot of money, got
Karen read, a whole lot of assets that you wouldn't
have had for someone who killed the cop and left.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Him to die, and in one of the worst ways possible.
That's how celebrate that? Shall we? Unreal? Unreal? So she says, basically,
you know, let me let me go to the I
(26:13):
thought this was a more interesting part of this. So
she just basically says, forgive and forget. I mean that's basically, actually,
let me come back to her. Hold on one second,
I'm going to come back to her. I just know
where I want to go here, right around here. So
(26:36):
coming back to this very soon, but I want to
go to just this is like the JFK guys, this
was the essence of it was clipped. I will not
I lost my mind listening to it. Aiden was on
(27:03):
their show and they were very hard on Aiden yesterday,
but to the day before yesterday. But last night all
is forgiven and forgotten. So take a listen.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Here, right, because you did ask them that you did
ask him, like, why the fuck do you care about
something like this that doesn't involve you, Like, yeah, there's
no criminal complaint filed here, right, there's no charges, Like
what do you why?
Speaker 9 (27:27):
I mean?
Speaker 10 (27:28):
And at the end of the day too, TB to
be real talk even if they can't be criminal jodges
because there's nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
They could prove on some real shit.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Just like every day I go to Macy's in the morning,
I put polls in the back.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
They can't they can't prove it.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
This is like the essence of this whole thing. Listen, TB. Listen, TB, listen,
listen to TB. TB. We got your back, TB. No problem, TB.
All forgiven and forgotten, just like my shoplifting. He's always
talking about a shoplifting at Macy's like it's adorable, just
(28:08):
like my stealing enterprises. Nobody can prove.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Anything importantly, Carol Read's not gonna fucking cooperate with the
steep Police.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean, yeah, so so so what I'm saying is
this right, right?
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Because you did ask him that you did ask him, like,
why the fuck do you care about?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
So that's that's that. They're sort of yeah, we're gonna
forgive and forget.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
On that.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
On one second, and then there's like one other, one
other clip I wanted to play for you from it.
(29:07):
I just lost this one, so.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It's all good.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
If you question anything, if you say anything about Karen
Reid or Turtle Boy, everybody goes crazy. It's obviously you
can't say nothing about turtle Boy. You guys what, It's
all good. I got nothing to say.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It's all good.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
If you question anything, if you say anything about.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It, right, they're done questioning. The JFK Show is just
big Karen Reid support center now, like one of the
ones that still going. If you question anything, it's a cult.
It's it is a cult. That one second, let me
(30:08):
just pull this up in the way that I want.
Should I take a break I think I can find
it in it's right after here. Okay, okay, here we
(30:55):
go right after here. So let's just start talking about
the civil case coming up.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, like, you know, have you had opportunities to use
some of these tools that resolution differently?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Was, you know, for for Karen?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
So someone says, Sheila Peep says, it broke my heart
seeing Karen being forced to listen to the plains attorney's argument.
Karen shouldn't even have to listen to it. Guys, shouldn't
have to even listen to the plaintiffs attorney's argument. Never
mind that Caylee has been now had all of her
parental three parental figures. Her mother died of cancer, all
(31:38):
before the age of eighteen, and that actually all before
the age of what fifteen? Her mother died of cancer,
her father died of a heart attack, and John O'Keefe,
her fun uncle, murdered in the worst terrible way. But
(32:00):
who's being accused of this shouldn't even have to listen
to it?
Speaker 11 (32:04):
This is this is some.
Speaker 9 (32:08):
Wild thinking going on over here, This idea of like
being you know, having to stay in a prolonged hyper
vigilant state, just like constantly waiting for the shoe to drop.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
When I did hear that call, we were just on
a separate call and audio call, and we were listening
to the.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
The audio that Sean mcdonok dropped.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And what I thought of listening to Karen get really
upset was exactly that was that. Yeah, I mean imagine
that you know, you've got this big Yeah, you've got
this case, You've got these charges. Someone's trying to put
you in prison for the rest of your life, the
(32:52):
rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Right, and you're you right on no evidence. Right, This
is the way they think, no evidence. It just takes
them like six weeks to produce all that no evidence.
I think even longer, Right, wasn't it like eight weeks,
nine weeks we had like of the whole trial, like
seven or eight weeks of the prosecutions, just the prosecution's
(33:14):
case first time round, to a lot more evidence in
it than the second case. No, that all these cops
are out to get a lot more testimony. All these
cops are out to get you for what reason they
want to get the adjunct finance professor for what? No
one had ever heard of Karen Reid until she killed
(33:38):
John O'Keefe, No one's out toget her.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Shoot, they're just digging around waiting for some reason to
pick you up and put you in jail.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right, This is like a common talking point of the
innocence fraud. Bob Rough is, like he does the named
Truth and Justice podcast says well, you might never be
convicted of a crime. That means that doesn't mean you
(34:09):
won't be accused of it, like any minute, and anyone's
looking to just accuse you of a crime any second,
you're gonna. I will tell you that real, real not
innocent funsters, real wrongful convictions are very rare. They're not
(34:32):
happening left and right, hundreds of thousands of them every year.
It's not happening, not like this movement would like you
to think it is.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Again, it cannot be a comfortable way to live. I mean,
it just really can't.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
And you're absolutely right listening to the Okay family lawyer, Yeah,
I would say, break my heart.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
It broke their heart for Karen. Their hearts were broken
for Karen, not Calee, not the O'Keefe family, Karen, Because
there only can be one victim in these stories, and
the victim here is Karen. And John O'Keefe has totally
forgotten as much as they liked to throw his name
(35:19):
around and hide behind it. But thereabout is Karen Reid
getting away with it all the way art.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Is the nicest way that you could put it, because
it was just it was like redevastating, right, It's like,
oh my god, are we doing this again?
Speaker 6 (35:34):
I felt trauma just right.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Like listening to this attorney stand up and start to
talk about, you know, John's niece and how she's traumatized,
and all I could think back was, I mean, do
you have any idea the kind of frantic state that
Karen Reid was in to even put Kaylee?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Why did she have to put Cayley in that position?
Why couldn't she just call nine one one Samantha. Why
couldn't she get help for anyone but herself? Actually get
help for John o'cafe? She never did. She never called it.
She used, she went, and she called, She rounded up. First,
(36:18):
she wanted, she wanted the cameranos. Michael wasn't around, Catherine
was at work, and then she got hold of Carrie
Roberts and Jen McCabe and they were her marks. She
needed someone to be there. To mix it all up,
(36:38):
to act frantic, to act upset. I don't think they
still realized to this day, they're going to be ten
years down the road before they realized what Karen Reida
did to them. How she fooled them. Karen Reed knew
where she led them, Then she led them right to
(37:00):
where she knew where John O'Keeffe was. Wasn't like she
needed help finding him. She never looked for him. When
do you ever lose something and you never look for it?
She rounded them up, she took them. She was like, oh,
we have to pretend to go to the house and
look for him. All right? How long does this take? Strangely,
Karen Reid didn't take off her shoes because she knew
(37:23):
that that rule didn't apply anymore. In John O'Keeffe's house.
She knew he wasn't going to be back to be
angry about her walking around his house with her shoes on.
Then she took them to his body to discover because
if she just showed up there alone, it's just Karen Reid,
(37:45):
no one else to blame. But with Jen McCabe and
Karrie Roberts, this crew is still pointing the fingers at
them and Callan Albert and Brian Albert. Anyone but Karen Reid,
that's the story. Anyone but Karen read it was an act.
(38:11):
Karen Reid has only been worried about herself. She's been
cool as a cucumber, the happiest defendant. You think she
has trauma, she said, no signs of trauma. She's laughed
through the autopsy pictures. You know, there's such a history
of mental health professionals giving like just like five star
(38:40):
reviews to psychopaths and killers. Do they remember Jeffrey MacDonald?
His psychiatrists are like, this is a normally well adjusted
man who just couldn't not capable of this, But all
the evidence goes towards them, and he's still convicted for
(39:03):
killing his pregnant wife, Collette and his two daughters, Kimberley
and Kristen. So, I mean, I just thought this was amazing,
amazing that she wants to talk about Karen in that position.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Right, I mean, like, as a mental health professional, what
we could start with the alcohol, we could start with
the mental health profile. I mean, there's Karen ree was
out of her mind that night and then she starts
to get into a fight or flight, so she was
already fifty three.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Flighter fight or flight. She led them right to the
to where she knew he was, then jumped on his body,
straddled him, lifted up her shirt in his shirt, and
started rubbing herself on him to warm him up. She
had no fear. I mean, everyone there seemed to understand
(40:05):
that he was deceased, but Karen Reid had no fear
of his deceased body. She just jumped right on it.
This is a psychopath. It's so obvious. I mean, is
this not the more obvious things? And she just says, no,
(40:29):
matter of evidence, will it convince these three Karen readers.
Speaker 12 (40:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
There's still people though, who think that anything that's bad
for Karen Reid is CGI. So when the film of
Karen Reid and Alan Jackson can noodling came.
Speaker 11 (40:45):
Out, that was.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
AI CGI. Although Alan Jackson would have been the first
person to sue over something like that, that is a
career damaging video of someone put that together and released
it is real. He never denied it. And now these
audio tapes of Karen Reid and Aiden Karney yelling at
each other are now AI. Even though Aiden Karney doesn't
(41:11):
say that Karen Reid hasn't used one of her mouthpieces
to say that. That would be the first thing he
would be saying, screaming about. Instead, he's saying he doesn't
want to talk about it because it's a crime and
it's I don't know, so I'm not gonna go on forever.
(41:34):
But this is like, this is where free Karen Reid
is at with this nonsense. This is they've got a
new innocence fraudstre You know, when I was more young
and naive, I'd just say, why would these experts put
their name behind the killer. There's a lot of dark
(41:54):
and disturbed experts or people who just don't care, who
will grift off anything. It's tough to take. Yeah, it
is tough to take. All right. That is what I
(42:19):
have for today. Does anyone have anything else to say?
Before I go?
Speaker 4 (42:33):
This will go on?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Is it the calm before the storm? I think it's
going to be years before we get a verdict on
the civil trial. So this will continue going on and
Karen Reid will continue to profit with her blood money.
That's my predictions. All right, guys, please support the channel.
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Speaker 12 (43:33):
I hit my boyfriend with my car.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
It wasn't an accident, but with lion lawyers, I'll go far.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Lion lawyers and witness harassment.
Speaker 12 (43:50):
All avoid prison.
Speaker 9 (43:53):
It was so.
Speaker 12 (43:56):
I pushed the ten little now hit him hart now
the legal system my clown.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Innocence for a campaign to save my skin making money
truth is my second victim, carry.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Carry ginger like John or Mama. My innocence for a
campaign is my biggest.
Speaker 12 (44:38):
De I hid my boyfriend with my coat.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
It wasn't act. Both lion lawyers, I'll go far. Lion
lawyers and witness harassment.
Speaker 12 (45:26):
I'll avoid prison. It was snowing. I pushed the pedal down,
hid him hard. Now the legal.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
System of my clown.
Speaker 11 (45:42):
In sense fra A campaign to save my skin making
learning truth. It is my second victim.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Carry carrying changing like John you were i'voke my innocence.
Speaker 11 (46:02):
Broad campaign is my bigges
Okay, just because you didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house, who did it?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We don't know, and it's not for us to know.
Somebody other than Karen.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Somebody other than Karen is responsible for that, for the
killing of John. You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass
True Crime Report putting the true back in true crime
(00:45):
from New York City.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
ROBERTA.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Glass is now on the record.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh right here we go, Rna. She Fly nine Forensic
are and Lucky Pair Texas Brett. Was there a Grand
Jewelry sentencing? I thought that I'd been postponed till way later.
(01:34):
Did I miss it? You can maybe tell me. If so,
I'll get up on it for tomorrow or the next day.
B Rabbit, Christina, it's Jimbo. I agree with you, Rna, Okay,
I'll report on it tomorrow. I've been up to my
(01:58):
ear ears. I was gonna say, earballs your lobes over
my head with free Karen Reid the sort of resolution
I think, But people say it's the calm before the storm.
I don't know of Turtlegate of the recording of Karen
(02:19):
Reid and Aiden Turtleboy Carney, and it was really what
was a really riff in the innocence fraudsters all questioning
Aiden Carney and why would you record Karen Reid? And
you listen to those recordings, and reasonable people who've lived
(02:40):
on planet Earth could surmise that listening to those doo
scream at each other, that it sounds like two criminals
talking to each other. So, but everything's sort of a
okay in Free Karen and Free Karen Reworld. I think
they've all say that they realize that Aiden can't talk
(03:04):
about it because he can't admit to a crime. So
my understanding with wire tapping this is correct me if
I'm wrong, is that really the person who's illegally wire
tapped it would have to have the would have to
make the complaint for it to really go forward. So
(03:29):
without the cooperation of Karen Reid, how's it going to
go forward? So I think Aiden Carney knows that it's
not going to go anywhere. I mean, you have to say,
like I've been injured, there's like crime going on. This
guy is illegally recording me, and then Karen would have
to hand over those tapes. That's but for us to
report it, you know, like for just Joe Schmoe on
(03:51):
the street to report it. DA's office is busy. I
don't think they're gonna mean, it's like one of those
charges that it's not really going to go anywhere unless
there's a specific injury that's been done. You've been injured.
You've been injured, Jackie Dee. But so I just say
(04:13):
that because Aiden Turtleboy Carney says the reason he can't
talk about it, and nobody's asking him to talk about it.
You're just saying to like apologize to the people that
he called liars. That's all he has to do is
apologize to the people he called liars. But instead they're
being demonized. So this is sort of the way that
these groups go, the innocence fraud campaigns go. The person
(04:39):
with the most power isn't going to be brought down
by truth telling because they're all going to rally behind
him in his bad behavior. Because it really is like,
especially in this case, he Leslie loves October Fast, nice
(05:01):
to see you, topping off the catt or fund. Thank you,
hello everybody. It really is like what thank you, Weslie.
These people are addicted to this story. So on this side,
(05:27):
I can only go so many ways, right, I mean,
I can talk about a lot of different things in
the case, but I'm bound by the record in innocence
fraud cases, Like if I taking the opposite side, I
can go a million different directions. I'm only really limited
by my imagination. So I can take a kernel of
(05:52):
something and just go with it forever, and go into
total minutia and uh take a right turn and have
people looking for the quote unquote what they'd call the
real suspects wink wink, But we know it's not gonna
I mean, and people are endlessly addicted to that. It
(06:15):
is like their crack cocaine. They cannot get enough of it.
So nobody wants aiden to take away their their their
drug of choice. And where is this gonna go? I mean,
(06:36):
you know I was when I talked to Brenda Kine.
He talked about how he's really surprised to see free
Karen Readers at her civil trial because the only thing
on the money in civil court is who's gonna pay money? Right,
It's not her. Her freedom isn't you know, hanging in
(06:56):
the balance here.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
But for.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Karen Reiders, they're waiting, They're waiting any minute for the
Feds to come, for something else ginormous to happen, and
the real killer will be finally exposed. And this happens
in every almost every single case that I talked about
save a few and non sied West Memphis. Three people
(07:29):
are still They've gone from one step father to another
step father to sideline players. So it just can keep
going on and on forever. And they're blaming innocent people
for you know, the murder when it's really obvious where
(07:52):
all the evidence points to Karen Reid in this case
and nowhere else. I mean, you look at how thin
that defense was. So I'll be going on and debunking
some really free karenry talking points, but I mean it
(08:13):
was really summed up, like so I won't go crazy
with like just the you know, I'm not convinced that
this grand jury is gonna, you know, for is really
the beginning of anything. I've heard rumblings, I've heard rumors,
but I'm you know, talking about the grand jury and
(08:35):
the grand juror. I mean, I think she's really been
a picked off as just like a low level like
what do you call it? A patsy? Really, I mean,
like just a low level person in all this. I
mean her life has been ruined. According to the court transcript,
(08:58):
she's lost her job and for what and for helping
out a killer. I mean, good people can be fool
a boy, these innocent broad campaigns, it's you know, they
get wrapped up. It just seems so minor to me.
And I'll be I'll get on it tomorrow, talk about
(09:19):
it more tomorrow. So I think this is like summed up.
This is like a newcomer, this is this is the
I Don't Belong here podcast. Samantha Benego, her father Joe,
(09:42):
was like a big figure in New York talk show
Sports Talk Joe. She was a drug and alcohol counselor.
Is a lawsuit I made news here. She filed for
(10:06):
SA suit against her ex employer in twenty nineteen, in
March of twenty nineteen, and they say that that suit
is ongoing, says it's still pending. I mean, this will
give you an idea of how long these civil suits
can go on for. So we're in those who are
(10:31):
filing the Karen Reid civil suit. This could go on.
As the judge said, he has a case that's eighteen
nineteen years old. And I want to make a correction
on my reporting. I misunderstood that the judge he's going
to he is especially assigned to that case. He's not,
as for now, not going to be brought off that case.
So correction and important correction to make. But here's Samantha
(10:57):
So she's a newcomer to Free Karen Reid. I don't know.
She just seems to report repeat all the talking points.
Here's her take on the break in Free Karen read.
But Aiden Carney says he can't talk about it because
it would for self incrimination purposes and for Lorial Lee
(11:18):
purposes and they're all buying. That doesn't say why he
can't apologize to the people he accused of being liars.
But all that is being just forgotten. Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So we were just in the middle of a call,
which is why I have my headphones on, and it
stopped abruptly because I didn't realize with this pod being
when you schedule a call, you have to like pre.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
Ahead of time, put in how long.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know you're going to be on this call for
so I put in one hundred and twenty minutes and
it caught us off, which I felt really terrible about.
So I jumped on here and I said, let's do
it because Denise is awesome. She's like just just live stream,
like all right, I'm here, I'm here.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
So Hi, everybody, Hi, Sherry, I see. Yes, for everybody that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Wasn't in the call, welcome and for everybody that was
welcome back. We were just in the middle of a
discussion about you know, what happened of course on the
night thirty fourth Fairview Road, January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two.
Some of you may have heard, may have heard about it,
(12:35):
maybe maybe not.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
So we were just.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What happened. I'll tell you what happened. I can shed
some light on this mystery right now. Karen Reid and
John O'Keeffe, as John O'Keeffe said, their relationship had run
its course. He was trying to get rid of her.
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Karen Reid wouldn't leave the home. That is, according to Kylie,
the niece's testimony, they went out before a storm. They
went out for drinks and of course John O'Keeffe had
to wait for Karen Reid to arrive because she said
she had a plumber over that she was waiting for
(13:21):
to fix her Richie the plumber to fix her hot
water issue. Apparently Richie did a good job of e
according to Karen Reid always put the toilet seats on
crooked and John O'Keeffe was ticked off about that. They
(13:41):
met for drinks. She had eleven a drinks at least
let me know of you know, in that last hour
before leaving, like one ever, like almost ten minutes or
nine minutes something like that. Yeah, she's drug. She hit him,
(14:11):
she left him to die. Yeah, that's the And they
drove on over to have a little get together with
friends from the bar, and John O'Keefe was Karen Karen
Reid's drink, got out of the car. I think he
was like, are you coming with me or not? She
(14:31):
and she put her foot seventy five percent on the
gas pedal going twenty four miles an hour up to
speeds of twenty four miles an hour in reverse and
clipped him and left him to die in a blizzard,
and then went to his house, not her house, went
(14:51):
snuck into his house and started thinking up ways to
cover up her crime. Never called nine to one one
in all of the in all of it, never never
called anyone for help, only called for help for herself. So,
I mean, I would love a free Karen Reader to
(15:13):
explain to me why she had to call Jen McCabe
and Carrie Roberts, why they were necessary, why she couldn't
just called nine to one one or go to the
scene alone. And I'll tell you why she didn't go
to the scene alone, because she goes to the scene alone.
What happened last night? Ye, there's her cracktail light all
over the scene. There's no time, there's never been any
(15:35):
evidence that any of it was planted, and there's no time.
It was literally impossible for anyone to plant that evidence.
Timeline does not add up. And then there's the microscopic
pieces of Karen Reid's tail light in John O'Keefe's shirt.
I mean, little bit of a problem for Karen Reid.
(15:59):
That's what happened. But she can just keep grifting off
of this forever.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Sort of throwing out theories about it. Earlier in our
conversation we had spoken a lot about.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And these theories can go on forever. I mean twenty
thirty years later, they can go on. And like I say,
it's really like the carrot just dangling in front of
the donkey for these people. And if I had a
dime for every comment that was like, you're going to
(16:33):
be really sorry when this, that, and the other case
that I'm talking about, when they're proved innocent and the
real killer gets revealed, You're going to be really sorry.
I had a dime for every comment I've gotten like
that over the years, I would be so rich. So
you do not get rich following innocence. Talking about innocence Ford,
(16:54):
I'll tell you that. I'll tell you that it's not
a money maker, but I mean gott to talk about it.
It is just such an avalanche in our society. I mean,
we're like so inundated with this media.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
About the kind of drama that's.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Going around in the free Karen Reid movement right now, and.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Decided that we were going to try to move away
from that.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I think the consensus discussion on that was that, uh yeah,
I mean it's bad for justice for John O'Keefe and
for most of us, right what do we want?
Speaker 6 (17:34):
We want justice for John.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
No, they wan't conspiracy theories. They want any they want,
tell me stories anyone but Karen Reid. That's what they want.
This is the most revolting stomach turning part is that
the groupies of the killer of John O'Keefe will use
(17:58):
the victim's name in the idea of justice for him
to absolve the person that all the evidence points against.
They already got her off with their innocence fraud campaign.
What more do they want? The guys, they really want
to solve them any minute, any minute, it's gotta be revealed.
(18:21):
It's like clue almost. It was this person and the
blah blah blah with this, and they love a lot
of these people hate the police, so they love stories
of a complete police conspiracy. But please, no one's interested
(18:44):
if it involves putting Karen Reid away, making Karen Reid
accountable in any way. None of them are interested in
justice for John o'kee It's revolting, stomach turning.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
And you know, it seems like there's a lot of
personal shots going back and forth right now, and I'm
sure we're not even anywhere near the end of this thing.
It seems like it's kind of getting bigger, and it
might get even more intense before it subsides. It's funny,
it's like in the air, right, It just you kind
of can feel the intensity ratcheting up, so it just
(19:21):
feels like it is. It's in the air. And yeah,
so hopefully we can bring the temperature down a little
bit and start to move away from this. Yeah, because
it's just not good. It's not good for for any
of us.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
And look, I get it, I get you know, right.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
So let's look over the bad behavior of others. Let's scapegoat.
And this is like not uncommon, you know, on both sides,
Like when bad behaviors pointed out, go after the person, know,
the person who's calling it out, don't go after the
person doing the bad behavior. It's like just a common
(20:06):
thing in life. And it has been on both sides
of this case. But the free Carent readers are excellent
at all coming together and overlooking any kind of bad
behavior because there's a lot of dark and disturbed personalities
involved in this. This woman is a mental health professional.
(20:27):
This is what I she works in New York City. Like,
mostly I worry about getting sick and being at the
hands of some of these dark and disturbed personalities who
are nurses, doctors, mental health professionals. That's right. It's like,
I don't worry about getting sick as much as I
(20:50):
worry about being the hands of some of these people.
They're disturbed.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Stuff happens, our egos get wounded. I completely understand. And look,
a lot of this predates me by a long time, right,
some of these folks, certainly Aiden and like Sean McDonough,
these guys have been doing this together for a long time.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
And so yeah, there's a history, right, there's history. There's history.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So I think a lot of what this is all
about is history.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
And you know, I get it. It's not easy. It's
not easy taking the high road. It really isn't.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's definitely not about Aiden Karney recording Karen Reid without
her knowledge. It's definitely not about that. That's I mean.
For I mean, if you ask anyone what's what's this,
what's this uproar about? And free Karen Reid? Most people say, oh, well,
Aiden Karney recorded Karen Reid without her knowledge. And then
(21:48):
he screamed and swore at all the people who said
that he did it, and to call them liars and
then recordings came out of it. That would be like,
that's how I would describe the story, not Samantha. Samantha
would describe the story is that there was history's history
between people, and there's got to be some kind of
(22:10):
alterative motive that involved here. It's just history. It's not
about what it's about. Dis casslight your audience, point them
over there. I mean, just what how Karen read did
or defends.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But my point, and I think the point, we want
to see justice for John. And it's not good for
anyone to have everybody fighting. It's just not just gives
people that are in opposition, just gives them food.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I just want to keep grifting off of this story.
We've already we've already influenced the jury. What yeah, I didn't.
Can you know it's truly okay, my boyfriend just came in, No,
(23:16):
I can hear it. Okay, came in all right.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
For fodder.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It gives them something to hold on to and start
to spew out there, to try to spin the narrative. So,
uh so that's my take on it.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
You know, I hate to see it.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It's it's not good. It's just not good. But you
know I've said it before, I'll say it again. I
am extraordinarily grateful to Aiden Carney for all everything. I mean,
if it wasn't for his interest in this case and
being the person that he is, where he is willing
to do things.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
I would never do. I would never do what what
and Carney has done.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I would never, you know, be calling up Jennifer McCay
on her personal cell phone and asking her why did
you kill John o'keep right.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I would never be taking hundreds of people on a.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I would never be breaking the law on harassing witnesses.
That's a good thing somebody, not a bad.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Playing rally to Michael Proctor's home. So I give this
man tremendous credit. He's got balls of steel, and you know,
God bless him because here's the thing, here's the news splash.
Without him, I'm pretty sure Karen Reid would be in prison,
Michael Morrissey would be on his way to another term
(24:42):
because it.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Would go uncontested. There'd be nobody, you know, he would be.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Going up against nobody. Michael Proctor would still be a
police officer. Brian Telly, you're a Buchanic. All these people
would still be working out of Michael Morrissey's office.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
So all I can say is thank God for Turtle Boy.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Otherwise none of us would know any of this, and
it would just keep going, keep going, keep going. Right,
And Sam, I see Sam saying yes. So I see
Sam White saying loopole lawyer dudes that he's sending evidence
to the FBI.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
I have to tell you a lot of people, is he.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Really doing that or is he just telling his audiences
doing that? What has he done?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
He's got a killer off, he did a he poisoned
the jury, pool, raised a whole lot of money, got
Karen read, a whole lot of assets that you wouldn't
have had for someone who killed the cop and left.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Him to die, and in one of the worst ways possible.
That's how celebrate that? Shall we? Unreal? Unreal? So she says, basically,
you know, let me let me go to the I
(26:13):
thought this was a more interesting part of this. So
she just basically says, forgive and forget. I mean that's basically, actually,
let me come back to her. Hold on one second,
I'm going to come back to her. I just know
where I want to go here, right around here. So
(26:36):
coming back to this very soon, but I want to
go to just this is like the JFK guys, this
was the essence of it was clipped. I will not
I lost my mind listening to it. Aiden was on
(27:03):
their show and they were very hard on Aiden yesterday,
but to the day before yesterday. But last night all
is forgiven and forgotten. So take a listen.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Here, right, because you did ask them that you did
ask him, like, why the fuck do you care about
something like this that doesn't involve you, Like, yeah, there's
no criminal complaint filed here, right, there's no charges, Like
what do you why?
Speaker 9 (27:27):
I mean?
Speaker 10 (27:28):
And at the end of the day too, TB to
be real talk even if they can't be criminal jodges
because there's nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
They could prove on some real shit.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Just like every day I go to Macy's in the morning,
I put polls in the back.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
They can't they can't prove it.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
This is like the essence of this whole thing. Listen, TB. Listen, TB, listen,
listen to TB. TB. We got your back, TB. No problem, TB.
All forgiven and forgotten, just like my shoplifting. He's always
talking about a shoplifting at Macy's like it's adorable, just
(28:08):
like my stealing enterprises. Nobody can prove.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Anything importantly, Carol Read's not gonna fucking cooperate with the
steep Police.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean, yeah, so so so what I'm saying is
this right, right?
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Because you did ask him that you did ask him, like,
why the fuck do you care about?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
So that's that's that. They're sort of yeah, we're gonna
forgive and forget.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
On that.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
On one second, and then there's like one other, one
other clip I wanted to play for you from it.
(29:07):
I just lost this one, so.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
It's all good.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
If you question anything, if you say anything about Karen
Reid or Turtle Boy, everybody goes crazy. It's obviously you
can't say nothing about turtle Boy. You guys what, It's
all good. I got nothing to say.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It's all good.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
If you question anything, if you say anything about.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It, right, they're done questioning. The JFK Show is just
big Karen Reid support center now, like one of the
ones that still going. If you question anything, it's a cult.
It's it is a cult. That one second, let me
(30:08):
just pull this up in the way that I want.
Should I take a break I think I can find
it in it's right after here. Okay, okay, here we
(30:55):
go right after here. So let's just start talking about
the civil case coming up.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, like, you know, have you had opportunities to use
some of these tools that resolution differently?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Was, you know, for for Karen?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
So someone says, Sheila Peep says, it broke my heart
seeing Karen being forced to listen to the plains attorney's argument.
Karen shouldn't even have to listen to it. Guys, shouldn't
have to even listen to the plaintiffs attorney's argument. Never
mind that Caylee has been now had all of her
parental three parental figures. Her mother died of cancer, all
(31:38):
before the age of eighteen, and that actually all before
the age of what fifteen? Her mother died of cancer,
her father died of a heart attack, and John O'Keefe,
her fun uncle, murdered in the worst terrible way. But
(32:00):
who's being accused of this shouldn't even have to listen
to it?
Speaker 11 (32:04):
This is this is some.
Speaker 9 (32:08):
Wild thinking going on over here, This idea of like
being you know, having to stay in a prolonged hyper
vigilant state, just like constantly waiting for the shoe to drop.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
When I did hear that call, we were just on
a separate call and audio call, and we were listening
to the.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
The audio that Sean mcdonok dropped.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And what I thought of listening to Karen get really
upset was exactly that was that. Yeah, I mean imagine
that you know, you've got this big Yeah, you've got
this case, You've got these charges. Someone's trying to put
you in prison for the rest of your life, the
(32:52):
rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Right, and you're you right on no evidence. Right, This
is the way they think, no evidence. It just takes
them like six weeks to produce all that no evidence.
I think even longer, Right, wasn't it like eight weeks,
nine weeks we had like of the whole trial, like
seven or eight weeks of the prosecutions, just the prosecution's
(33:14):
case first time round, to a lot more evidence in
it than the second case. No, that all these cops
are out to get a lot more testimony. All these
cops are out to get you for what reason they
want to get the adjunct finance professor for what? No
one had ever heard of Karen Reid until she killed
(33:38):
John O'Keefe, No one's out toget her.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Shoot, they're just digging around waiting for some reason to
pick you up and put you in jail.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right, This is like a common talking point of the
innocence fraud. Bob Rough is, like he does the named
Truth and Justice podcast says well, you might never be
convicted of a crime. That means that doesn't mean you
(34:09):
won't be accused of it, like any minute, and anyone's
looking to just accuse you of a crime any second,
you're gonna. I will tell you that real, real not
innocent funsters, real wrongful convictions are very rare. They're not
(34:32):
happening left and right, hundreds of thousands of them every year.
It's not happening, not like this movement would like you
to think it is.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Again, it cannot be a comfortable way to live. I mean,
it just really can't.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
And you're absolutely right listening to the Okay family lawyer, Yeah,
I would say, break my heart.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
It broke their heart for Karen. Their hearts were broken
for Karen, not Calee, not the O'Keefe family, Karen, Because
there only can be one victim in these stories, and
the victim here is Karen. And John O'Keefe has totally
forgotten as much as they liked to throw his name
(35:19):
around and hide behind it. But thereabout is Karen Reid
getting away with it all the way art.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Is the nicest way that you could put it, because
it was just it was like redevastating, right, It's like,
oh my god, are we doing this again?
Speaker 6 (35:34):
I felt trauma just right.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Like listening to this attorney stand up and start to
talk about, you know, John's niece and how she's traumatized,
and all I could think back was, I mean, do
you have any idea the kind of frantic state that
Karen Reid was in to even put Kaylee?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Why did she have to put Cayley in that position?
Why couldn't she just call nine one one Samantha. Why
couldn't she get help for anyone but herself? Actually get
help for John o'cafe? She never did. She never called it.
She used, she went, and she called, She rounded up. First,
(36:18):
she wanted, she wanted the cameranos. Michael wasn't around, Catherine
was at work, and then she got hold of Carrie
Roberts and Jen McCabe and they were her marks. She
needed someone to be there. To mix it all up,
(36:38):
to act frantic, to act upset. I don't think they
still realized to this day, they're going to be ten
years down the road before they realized what Karen Reida
did to them. How she fooled them. Karen Reed knew
where she led them, Then she led them right to
(37:00):
where she knew where John O'Keeffe was. Wasn't like she
needed help finding him. She never looked for him. When
do you ever lose something and you never look for it?
She rounded them up, she took them. She was like, oh,
we have to pretend to go to the house and
look for him. All right? How long does this take? Strangely,
Karen Reid didn't take off her shoes because she knew
(37:23):
that that rule didn't apply anymore. In John O'Keeffe's house.
She knew he wasn't going to be back to be
angry about her walking around his house with her shoes on.
Then she took them to his body to discover because
if she just showed up there alone, it's just Karen Reid,
(37:45):
no one else to blame. But with Jen McCabe and
Karrie Roberts, this crew is still pointing the fingers at
them and Callan Albert and Brian Albert. Anyone but Karen Reid,
that's the story. Anyone but Karen read it was an act.
(38:11):
Karen Reid has only been worried about herself. She's been
cool as a cucumber, the happiest defendant. You think she
has trauma, she said, no signs of trauma. She's laughed
through the autopsy pictures. You know, there's such a history
of mental health professionals giving like just like five star
(38:40):
reviews to psychopaths and killers. Do they remember Jeffrey MacDonald?
His psychiatrists are like, this is a normally well adjusted
man who just couldn't not capable of this, But all
the evidence goes towards them, and he's still convicted for
(39:03):
killing his pregnant wife, Collette and his two daughters, Kimberley
and Kristen. So, I mean, I just thought this was amazing,
amazing that she wants to talk about Karen in that position.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Right, I mean, like, as a mental health professional, what
we could start with the alcohol, we could start with
the mental health profile. I mean, there's Karen ree was
out of her mind that night and then she starts
to get into a fight or flight, so she was
already fifty three.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Flighter fight or flight. She led them right to the
to where she knew he was, then jumped on his body,
straddled him, lifted up her shirt in his shirt, and
started rubbing herself on him to warm him up. She
had no fear. I mean, everyone there seemed to understand
(40:05):
that he was deceased, but Karen Reid had no fear
of his deceased body. She just jumped right on it.
This is a psychopath. It's so obvious. I mean, is
this not the more obvious things? And she just says, no,
(40:29):
matter of evidence, will it convince these three Karen readers.
Speaker 12 (40:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
There's still people though, who think that anything that's bad
for Karen Reid is CGI. So when the film of
Karen Reid and Alan Jackson can noodling came.
Speaker 11 (40:45):
Out, that was.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
AI CGI. Although Alan Jackson would have been the first
person to sue over something like that, that is a
career damaging video of someone put that together and released
it is real. He never denied it. And now these
audio tapes of Karen Reid and Aiden Karney yelling at
each other are now AI. Even though Aiden Karney doesn't
(41:11):
say that Karen Reid hasn't used one of her mouthpieces
to say that. That would be the first thing he
would be saying, screaming about. Instead, he's saying he doesn't
want to talk about it because it's a crime and
it's I don't know, so I'm not gonna go on forever.
(41:34):
But this is like, this is where free Karen Reid
is at with this nonsense. This is they've got a
new innocence fraudstre You know, when I was more young
and naive, I'd just say, why would these experts put
their name behind the killer. There's a lot of dark
(41:54):
and disturbed experts or people who just don't care, who
will grift off anything. It's tough to take. Yeah, it
is tough to take. All right. That is what I
(42:19):
have for today. Does anyone have anything else to say?
Before I go?
Speaker 4 (42:33):
This will go on?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Is it the calm before the storm? I think it's
going to be years before we get a verdict on
the civil trial. So this will continue going on and
Karen Reid will continue to profit with her blood money.
That's my predictions. All right, guys, please support the channel.
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Speaker 5 (43:37):
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Speaker 12 (43:50):
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Speaker 9 (43:53):
It was so.
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the legal system my clown.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
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truth is my second victim, carry.
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