September 15, 2025 • 75 mins
When Donna Adelson’s master manipulation fails- that’s when we have problems. Looking back at her most recent courtroom meltdowns and freak outs!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Donna Agelson from Coral Springs, Florida. I want to hear
all about you, Donna. Let's go well, I'm a domestic coordinator,
a domestic coordinator.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, I'm responsible for the activities, classes and lessons of
my son Robert, who was sixteen, Charlie who was twelve,
Whndy who was ten, my husband Harvey, who's in the audience,
and my dog's Sam.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And how old is SAMs?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Five?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Five?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Cold, give my best ten? Nice to have your hair,
cop and fowls work, don consonance are gonna be worth.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
There's a lot of glad to have this again personally
as the categories who still your return letter beats hell?
Help no hell? Donna, m yes, there are two ms.
Let him come up your five seconds person Ellen, okay, yes,
(00:57):
Kim mhm mustard maker, Yes, there's.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
One age time starts now mm hmm Donna, yes, mister.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Nice m h.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
You are listening to the ROBERTA.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Glass True Crime Report putting the true back in true crime.
Speaker 8 (01:52):
From New York City.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
ROBERTA. Glass is now on the record.
Speaker 9 (01:59):
H Okay, how is everybody?
Speaker 8 (02:16):
My apologies for being late. I just had technical difficulties.
I couldn't even get into stream Yard to tell you
I was going to be late. Jennifer, Ray, Maestro Wesley, Hello,
early Birds, Hello the two, transparent or right on time,
I don't know, whatever you want to call it ain't
(02:38):
no halla back grow, raise the road. Hello, everybody, it
is six fifteen. I am very late, Ray, Carolina, I'm
ruber dere Pilates. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, I go
(03:00):
by step Yo, Jie Jane. What happened? What happened? My
whole computer froze and then Streamyard wouldn't let me. And
it's very boring. I can tell you. I was like,
let me in, let me in. So I'm here with
you all now, so we're gonna go over. This is
(03:24):
really part two of Donna Edelson's flipouts and freakouts. She's
a master of manipulation, as is everyone I talk about
on this channel who's been either accused or convicted, even
(03:47):
if they've had that conviction overturned for some strange and
crazy reason, they're all masters of manipulation. I mean, it's
amazing how all these accused and convicted killers have the
same personality. But Donna really is a master of manipulation
(04:08):
and she tried to control the courtroom. So last night
we went until she got arrested. So these are all
cuts from after she was in Leon County jail in
a waiting trial. And I found a really funny anomaly
(04:28):
in her defense, and we'll go over it. It made
me laugh just editing and putting it together. Let me
pull up the video file without any further ado, how
is everybody? Is everybody doing okay? Okay? Is everybody holding up? Ope? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 10 (04:53):
Here we go, State of Ford versus Donna twenty three yes, three.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Two two six counsel the hear.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
So this is Donna's first appearance in front of Judge Everett.
She had Mary el Desauso, who testified. I don't know
does any did anybody believe her testimony? Did anyone believe
her testimony? At Donna's trial, I felt she was a
stand in for Dan Rashbaund that you're gonna have to
(05:39):
convince me. I don't think Donna. I think Donna appealed
to Dan Rashbaund. Thanks Anissa for becoming a member. Appreciate it.
Welcome to welcome aboard, welcome to the club. Joy the emojis,
And this is where Donna Adelson is in Leon County jail,
(06:02):
and she says all her rights are being violated, and
Mary al des Alvo says, like every single one of
her rights is being that violated in Leod County. It's
so awful. So when she came to Leon County, my understanding,
correct me if I'm wrong. If she did this in Miami,
I may be wrong. She may have done this in Miami.
(06:23):
Thought she did this in Leon County. She stripped off
and no, that was in Miami. No, I'm wrong, that
was in Miami. So she gets there and she's already
talking to Charlie about ending it all on the phone.
So that puts her in a limited position. We talked
about that yesterday, where you're in like a turtle suit
(06:43):
and they have to take care of your safety if
you're threatening things like that, if they hear you threaten
things like that on the phone. And Donna says it's
all hoguash and she has a big outburst in court.
Take take a listen. And she's also visited by Daniel
Rashbaum spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
So just to I forget that not everyone is like
has a PhD. In the Dan Markel case. So Mario
DeSalvo was Donna Aedelson's lawyer before she hired Dan Rashbaum,
Charlie's lawyer, to be her lawyer, and it was really
just believe she's mostly a civil attorney. It was really
(07:39):
done like as a last minute I'm sure she might
have done some I don't know, maybe she helped out
with something else, like like the trust for Roman, Charlie
Aedelson's son or something, but she really wasn't up to
(08:03):
defending Donna in this kind of trial, and neither was
Dan Rashbound for that matter. He's also a civil attorney,
but he had some experience with Charlie's trial. But it
was clearly a ridiculous conflict of interest being that they're
both co conspirators. Eventually, spoiler alert, Dan rashburund outs to
(08:25):
drop out as her lawyer do because he said he
told the court that he had a waiver from Charlie
Aedelson that he never had. I mean, these defense attorneys,
have you been listening on my shadel They play fast
and loose with the truth. They're really they go way
(08:45):
above and beyond the law. In my opinion, Lesley loves
october Fest topping off the cat door. Fed hit the
light button. Everybody, thank you so much. They I get
that cat door. We have two parties coming up the day.
Actually can figure out how to get hire a workman
(09:07):
in New York City to come and put in a
cat door. And of course has everybody written to the
da Wag staff for Alison Galvannie. Just throw that up there.
Let me just have a couple of weeks to make
(09:28):
this happen. Guys, so please write the da Wag staff
and tell him I'm just It's s WAG staff.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
S W A G.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
S T A F F E at s mc gov
dot org. Tell him you would like to see him
prosecute the cold case of Nancy Galvanni's murder. Doesn't have
to be long, but please do end your emails, even
(10:01):
if you sent one before. They really are helpful. And
if this goes forward, we will have a big party.
We'll do something really fun on this channel. I don't
know what yet. If you guys have ideas something you'd
like to do me now. So, Dona Adelson has some complaints.
Speaker 10 (10:21):
Right, and everyone that is observing on zoom please do
not interfere with the hearing. Of course, you may observe
as to everything that takes place. Mister Scalzo, I've reviewed
your emergency motion to enjoin the jail. Is there any
further argument or testimony that you wish to take in
(10:43):
support of your motion.
Speaker 11 (10:45):
Your honor, I'll just add to supplement to my motion
which was filed last week, that we are now on
day twenty two of direct observation. Missus Aedelson continues unable
to participate in her defense. She's not permitted any papers.
I cannot mail her anything. I did have a call
with her on Friday.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
But raise the road, says ROBERTA. Donna said to Harvey,
I'm as surprised as you are when she was convicted.
Can we rewatch? Yeah, it's at the end. Raise if
you want to stick are out, it's at the end.
This isn't a long video. It's at the end. We
certainly can we watch and rewatch.
Speaker 11 (11:23):
Because Missus Capelman facilitated it for me, and on that call,
it was not a private call. Miss Aedelson was forced
to put me on speakerphone with guards listening. There is
just no way that Missus Edelson can prepare for her
defense in this manner.
Speaker 10 (11:40):
All right, there is one question that I had specifically
as to this issue, and I noticed within your pleading
that you had quotes from your client and also some
observations of what has been taking place with the correctional staff.
Are you alleging that you have no ability to access
(12:00):
your client or that there is limited contact with your client?
Speaker 11 (12:03):
No, your honor, I'm not saying that there is no ability.
The direct observations that are contained within my motion were
not observed by myself, but Daniel Rashbaum, Charlie Adelson's attorney,
had a visit with Charlie Datolsen and he was able
to swap it out for Miss Donna Edelson Mingo.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
He was able to swap it out.
Speaker 11 (12:41):
For Miss Donna Adelson the week of I think November
twenty seventh or twenty eight, so he was able to
have that conversation with her in person. I've had a
conversation with her, like I said over the phone, I
have been told that I can do a sixty minute
increment visit with her in person.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
There is no video visitation ability. So I would say
that my ability.
Speaker 11 (13:05):
To meet with her is limited, It's not nonexistent. However,
my ability to share, for example, discovery paperwork. This motion,
the motion I filed with Miss Adelson, is non existence
because she's not permitted to have paper.
Speaker 10 (13:22):
Well, we'll take up the other aspect of this in
a moment, actually, which deals with the level of confinement
and what is going on with it. Miss Capelman. Does
the state have any argument to make concerning this matter?
Speaker 12 (13:35):
The state would defer to mister Toomey, who's here to
speak on those matters that I think you're a dressing
right now.
Speaker 10 (13:42):
Very well, mister Pleman.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Tell mister Tuomy, good afternoon, Judge.
Speaker 13 (13:46):
As far as this particular issue goes, there is no
impediment to her speaking with her lawyer, seeing her lawyer
over and above using a tablet.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Tablet has a headset that con used as a ligature.
Otherwise he's free to enter the jail. Chief mac is here,
he's assured me that.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
So a year and a half later, Donna Aedelson, or
that's just my approximation, will be probably out of County
Jail to Wacola County jail. Because so she's saying that
she can't the reason she she really reason, I guess
she's trying to get bail here. I would think she
(14:33):
says all her rights are being violated. She's being treated
terribly in Leon County because she can only communicate with
her lawyers on this tablet, you know, aside from visits
and Descalvo is from Miami. So she's saying that it's
not enough, her rare visits are not enough, and that
(14:57):
you heard that rash bound who's gonna you know soon
Dona's going to push Maricel to the side and hire
Dan Rashbaum right after this. But she's saying that she
can't she can't confer because she only has these tablets.
She can't confer enough. I don't even understand the logic.
(15:19):
And they're like, she can talk to her lawyer, she
can talk on these tablets. Then a year and a
half later, she gets moved from Leon County to Wacola County,
right because of the tablet issue.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Again, I don't understand the problem that is personal.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Because she has because I think they take away the tablet,
am I right on this, they take away the tablet,
So first she's angry that she has the tablet, then
they take away the tablet a year and a half later.
So I mean, just a perfect example of how she
complain about anything.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Perceived, but there is no impediment to an attorney client visitation.
Am I correct.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
The first question. We'll have Chief Mac give some testimony
so that way we have a clear record. But the
level of confinement and also the current restrictions that are
in place. Are these because there were at some point
statements alluding to self harm during the jail phone calls
and at booking.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Here when she was booked into.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
The jail, Carolina, that's really nice of you to say.
I am not an artiste. I do my best the thumbnails.
I'm a one woman band, So everything you see I've
done here. So yeah, I'm not naturally talented at it.
(16:53):
So I appreciate that. I appreciate that, Carolina.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Here she made a statement that she wanted to die now.
Before she was arrested in Miami. She also had a
phone call with her son, who's obviously in jail here,
twenty five minute phone call. I personally listened to it.
She very clearly spoke about a plan to herself using
sleeping pills.
Speaker 10 (17:19):
One moment, Miss Adelson, please keep your comments to your son.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Almost scared to speak.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Does anyone have anything to raise before we continue forward?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
You maybe.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
So judge with the surprising.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Jill Jane, thanks so much, nice to see you. Thanks
so much for the super sticker. Do you remember this.
This is a horrible look for Donna. When she had
that blonde hair was sort of orange and it was
growing out, so she had all this gray hair. Looked
much better when she cut it off.
Speaker 14 (18:05):
Issues of the last couple of days, I have asked
for my prior client's waiver again and with the change
of circumstances, he has decided not to give it. So
let me be clear.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I have a waiver in the past.
Speaker 14 (18:17):
It's from December twelfth, December thirteenth, and an independent lawyer
spoke to him as well, although did not get a
signature on the waiver, so we had a waiver.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
We thought we had a waiver.
Speaker 14 (18:27):
We didn't think there was an issue, but given the
events of the last two days, I approached a Pelic
council to get a new waiver. That was the right
thing to do, obviously and the cleanest thing to do,
and I am not able to obtain that waver at
this point, so as a result, I need to withdraw
from the case.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Doesn't so if you're listening on podcasts, Donna seems to
(19:21):
recover quite quickly from she gets a tissue, but it
doesn't really look like she's really cry. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if I think he really did want
to represent her. I think she got played by Charlie,
don't you. I mean, there's just no way he could
(19:45):
move forward. I mean before this, I mean I didn't.
I didn't belabor this point because it was kind of boring. Frankly,
but Donna was willing to sign a waiver saying that
She's like all appellet issue is a huge mistake. I mean,
this is a great I mean, she could have got
(20:06):
convicted on this. Maybe that was her plan to wave
appellat because they can wave appellet issues and still go forward.
We've seen that people agree to something in court and
then they take it back after they've been convicted. They're like,
but probably would have won on ineffective counsel or unfair trial,
(20:35):
not a lawyer. I don't know one of those things.
It's just such. You can't have to conspirators represented by
the same lawyer. Thank you MD and KP Global Enterprises.
(21:07):
Thanks for the supersticker. Appreciate it. No one has it
worse than Donna Edelson and Leon County. This is one
of my more favorite Donna moments. That she has a
huge list of complaints. I really couldn't even edit them
all together. I tried to edit the key complaints back pain,
(21:32):
shoulder pain. She has a long story about how they
didn't give her sufficient bandages that I edited out. And
then she's of course being extorted for packages, which I
think I guess correctly that that story came out right
at the time, so right at the time that Donna
(21:55):
is this story about having her arm pulled behind her
back while she's rushing teeth. Ever, the wife of a
dentist in the bathroom by a woman who's over six
feet tall, okay, but she won't name them. This is
the other thing that didn't occur to me when I
first heard this story. How many women are over six
(22:15):
feet tall in Leon County Jail in her pod? I mean,
isn't that just identifying that woman she says she's over
I believe she says she's over two hundred pounds and
six over six feet tall. I mean, are there a
lot of women in her pod over six feet tall
and fit that description? I just think this is all
(22:39):
made up. But this was a time when the government,
or not the government, the state got wind of her
plan to pay two of her friends in Leon County,
Patricia Burr, who's also been in Wacola County too, and
(23:05):
Drina Burnhardt. Trina Burnhart, she had written an entire script
for her, and the way she kept them sweet was
she wanted them to testify in her trial was to
buy them commons starry and I always thought packages, So
she had to have a reason why all of a
(23:26):
sudden it made her look very guilty as part of
this extortion. Had not extortion scheme, it's the scheme to
buy favorable testimony in Leon County. That she has all
these packages coming in that she seems to be hoarding
and not her usual and maybe she was worried about
(23:49):
it wasn't her usual fare. I'm not saying she just
ate tuna in there, but I'm sure that there were
some things that she didn't usually get in there because
they were for Drina or Patricia Bird. So instead she
made up a story that she was getting threatened to
(24:13):
be beat up in Leon County. She didn't hand over packages,
she would be beat up.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
How far into your incarceration, you started having the psiatic
issues again, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Have it until I was in the annex, so that
was some time over the less I've been there six months.
I don't remember the specific day, but I didn't have
it before the NX. Okay.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
And once you started experiencing it in the NX, did
you complete a form to see medical attention?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yes, I did, okay.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
And as a result of completing that form, did you
have an opportunity to meet with someone in the medical
center at the Lanta County Jail.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I saw the doctor there and what happened and I
explained what I had and she said, we do not
treat that type of problem. We could offer you some
time at all, okay.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
And you experience is pain when you're walking sitting.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So at the beginning I was just I was just
getting it when I was walking, so it limited the
amounts of walking I can do. But I get it
when I'm sitting, I get it lying down. I get
it all the time now, so it's not It's.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
The main drug that you can get in Leon County
from the nurses station is thailand off. That's basically their
answer to everything. It should be super addit. So what
did they do thil it all? That's what they did
for her back pain, her arm pain, what else? I
don't know if they gave it for her small ear canals.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
It's not like I have it all the time. It
comes and goes. But when it just comes, I could
be sitting, I could be standing, it just just happens.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Okay, we're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, I have I have a problem with my left arm.
My thumb, indects and middle finger have gotten like tingling.
It almost feels like answer crolling on them. It's like
a numbness of those fingers. I have tilt all.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Okay, And and you said that was in approximately approximately
October twenty twenty four. Have you been requesting treatment for
that pain since October twenty several times? Okay? And you've
heard the testimony of the gentleman previously at some point
is the title and all help with the pain that
you're experiencing. You know, I'm from So I have a
hearing issue.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I have a problem. I evidently have very narrow ear canals,
and so doing the wax builds up in my ears
to the point that I mean, I have officers that
say to me are you deaf atals? And when I
don't respond to them, it's because I don't hear them.
And so I did ask for help in the I
(26:42):
asked the doctor if there was anything they could do
for me, and I told her what's normally done, and
she said, we use deb rocks to soften the wax
and then comes down three or four days later and
we use a bulb syringe to remove it. And I
said that doesn't work. I need a different procedure, and
she said that's all we can do for you. Okay,
there's no I mean, even if you want to get
(27:02):
off your bed and just try to like stretches, a wall,
push ups or anything. She says, this is not an
exercise room. There's no exercising here. We don't get taken outside. Well,
the inmate handbook says you get a minimum of three
hours of outside time per day per week. I'm sorry
per week. Okay, we haven't gotten three hours in six months.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Okay, how many times did you go outside while you're
in the.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
NNX before you contendure?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Missus Adelson. Yes, we have thirty minutes left in the hearing.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Miss Fulford, I understand your client is disputing the adequacy
of the care.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
We do need to move We do need to move on.
That never fails. The vacer laugh. Excuse me, missus Adelson.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
We do not have.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Three days for all your complaints. This is a short hearing.
You're going to have to we understand that Leon County
is not a to your standards. Oh that's so funny
because it was such a straight face. This is where
(28:09):
I would have trouble. If I were a judge, I
would have trouble. And it matters.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Please continue. Shower there And I was under the shower
and I was washing my hair, and I was the
only one in the shower. I always go in early
morning because there's nobody there. Most of the girls sleep.
So I take a shower and I have a little privacy.
And so I was washing my hair and all of
a sudden, all of a sudden, I fell and go
(28:35):
up my back, like from the top of my boot
up my back and I'll stop it. And I turned
and so this girl said you like it, and I
said get out of here, and I started to scream
and she ran.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Okay in the in the bathroom there, what was this?
Speaker 15 (28:54):
Which pod?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Was this inx?
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
In the annex. Are there guards oppositioned inside the area
or ey shower? No, inside the area where you use
the restroom?
Speaker 13 (29:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
In October, So I was, I was in the bathroom
ten ten thirty at night. I went in to brush
my teeth. There's there are three three sink stations in
the bathroom. Each one has four sinks. And I was
at the center station with my back to the door.
And I'm alrighty. So I was holding my toothbrush with
(29:25):
my right hand, and I was balancing myself with my
left hands on the sink, just brushing my teeth. That's
all I was doing. And what happened? And so I
came up behind me and pulled my left hand away
from the sink and twisted my arm.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
And do you guys balance yourself when you're brushing your teeth?
Why would you need to balance yourself? And you is
she trying to say that her back is so bad
that she needs to balance herself when she's brushing her teeth.
She fully keeping in character. I'm confused. I have an
(30:11):
electric toothbrush. I love it. I love it, had it
for years. It's still going. But but uh, even when
you know I like, I don't know, I'm on a
trip and I bring, you know, just a regular toothbrush.
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I don't think I need to balance. Do you guys
need to balance?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Like jerked it behind my back, like reaching up squirt
my deck.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Okay, walk Away says, she does, Okay, Okay, Yeah, I
guess it can be kind of odd small ear canals
with you on it is not even on a cruise.
I mean, Donna is, we're all getting older. I mean
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we're all gonna be there. Yeah, and so.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Get hurt.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Okay, what happened? And I said, be doing And she's
in the same breath that she did up in my arm.
She said, you're gonna buy me, commissary. I said, don't
know what. And she said, unless you want those pretty
white teeth nots out of your mouth, you're gonna buy me, commissary.
So she said, okay, okay, and then she named a
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package that she wanted. She's out, she was gone, and
she just as that fast, that fast.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
How bad would you on a scale of one to ten,
how bad would you rate the pain at the time
that she did.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That to you?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Oh my god, someone's got to recreate this, like in
a puff of smoke. She was gone, she was gone.
She named a package that she wanted. I tried to
do some research on these packages. I mean, how would
you name a package that she? Did she name a
product that she wanted? Or is it like ordering a
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gift basket you can order like, I don't know the
fall gift basket with I don't know what chaie pumpkin
chye spiced tea and something else. How could you name
a package and run out? I'm confused. If I were
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a judge, I'd be asking a lot of questions here.
I'm very confused by this story.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Was tenay, I don't know my.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Aform it?
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Jill Jade? Have you seen my short on Dona Edelson's hearing?
On her miraculous hearing? You were hearing like that was
such a she was limped the first day of trial.
Then she had those here airphones. It really reminded me
(33:04):
of Robert Durst had this tablet because he said his
hearing was bad, so that when he took the stand
he could read the questions on the tablet, and if
the questions were particularly difficult, you would take a rather
long time to read them.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Okay, And what did you do after she did that
to you so.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Kind of super for a minute, and then I just
I just thought, Okay, I'm gonna go back. That's my bunk.
And I went back to my bunk because those are
the covers. Next, just think those are my covers.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
I can come home during your entire time in the
annex did this particular and they remain confined in that
area with you shoot the ox though, okay, And I
know that you don't want to talk about who did
this to you? Because why why don't you want to
do this? Disclose what it was?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Just one thing I've learned since I'm there, his chew.
Don'ts who were to snitch? You don't snitch. You don't
tell of any one because we'll be sorry. It's and
I've seen that, and so I didn't even sell you.
For a while, I wasn't gonna tell anybody. I won't
to tell anybody said a big, a big woman, that
was a freedom her.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Okay, approximately how tall would you say she is compared
to you?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So for sixty over two hundred pounds a very large woman.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Okay, I mean how many over six feet women are
there in the pod with Donna? Do you guys remember
how many women there are in a pod Leon County.
I don't remember, but I I think I have to
go back to the trial because I think one of
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the snitches talks about how many women are in the pod.
I think approximately sixty, maybe thirty sixty. Were your friend
one hundred and fifty? Even if I mean, what percentage
of the female population is over six feet tall? Let's look,
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I had one friend who was maybe almost six feet tall,
maybe just under six feet tall in college. She's a model,
and I don't think there was anyone else in our
class that was that big. Okay, oh, this is I female.
(35:44):
They went to calculate this in inches? All right. I
don't know this is too Maybe someone else can do this.
Who's not what was doing it. I just thought it
would be easy. Someone would just tell me what percentage
of the population in America the female population is over
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six feet tall. It's going to be a tiny percentage
ninety in the pod. Oh, you guys are good. Thank you,
Thank you. Lady London, you don't miss a thing. Thank you,
thank you. Where are you, Steph, yo yo, steph? Where
(36:36):
are you? I mean? I mean, isn't she saying you
don't snitch? But I mean, isn't that how many women
are in there? If there's ninety women, how many I
mean that that at least nowrow is it down to
three or four? I mean being giving her the benefit?
(36:56):
You know, less than one percent, thank you of the
US is over six feet tall. Oh you're in Canada.
I love Canada, lucky dog. Yeah, so ninety women, it's
gotta be one woman, one or right. So she's essentially
(37:21):
they couldn't figure out who this woman was though, Okay, it.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Was okay, and you said that she demanded that you
were going to start getting a weekly commissary.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Did you do that?
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Yes, okay, let me let me gus want to ordering them.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
So my stress is that's point one percent to point
three percent? Yeah a tiny little maybe? Yeah tiny? I
mean that's and then and then that weight too. I
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mean that a bit. Essentially, she's identified her says, you
don't snitch, but she's happy to say how big she is.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
A commissary for this this woman who attacked you, or
you get a commissary for yourself.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So I have an account and you can buy up
to forty dollars a week of food, and so I
use that account to buy food, but not what she
wants it. She wanted packages.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Let let's let's make sure the court understands when you
say buy food. Is there a normal commissary through the
jail where you were getting your commisary?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Okay, And that's what you were spending forty dollars a
week on for your Sarah Mark, yes, okay. And what
kind of items you're buying for yourself off of that?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I'll try to get some protein id by tuna fish
with mayonnaise.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
And substitute meals if you will, yes, okay. No noodles
of any gun no?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
All right?
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Now, is there a separate way that you can order
commissary on the outside for inmates?
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I can't see that. That would have to be ordered
from somebody to ask somebody on the outside to place
the order.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Okay. And when you refer to packages, is that the
method that the one who attacked you said she wanted
you to get.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
That's what she asked me to get her. Okay.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
And these packages cost about forty dollars each? Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Ten dollars?
Speaker 8 (39:11):
Oh? So how tall was how tall was Patricia Bird?
Let me look it up. Hold on one second. Do
you think she's trying to that would be interesting. I
don't think so. She is this Leon County hold on
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the second county. Oh oh, she's only five to five,
so she wasn't trying to snitch out. She just looked
imposing on the stand. Certainly not. It's not one of those.
(39:58):
It's not Drina's tiny little thing, so less and less
than one hundred in a pod, she had a one
in ten chance of getting extorted by a giant. I
don't think this woman existed in there.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
For packaging or shipping. So it's fifty dollars a package, okay.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
And during the course of your time in the annex,
while you were still in the annex on just about
every week, did she continue to find you in the
bathroom and demand what packages that you would get ordered
for her.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yes, and she must have been keeping an eye on me.
But when I was in the bathroom, those are the
only time she would approach me is in the bathroom,
and she would tell me what she wanted.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
For that week.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
And did you make those orders through your husband?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I called my husband. I didn't tell him what happened.
I just called him and said, you know, honey, I
want some extra food. Did you mind ordering some packages
for me?
Speaker 16 (40:46):
I said, Sue said.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
Just look at how different this was. I just want
to show. Let me just pull this out for a
hot minute. Look how different Donna Aedelson's just whole affect
was compared to Charlie. Here's Charlie hearing the verdict.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
But the four person can be seated. Has the jury
reached a unanimous verdict? Yes, If you please could hand
the verdict form to the bailiff.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
The verdict form is in its proper order.
Speaker 10 (41:56):
Madam Clerk, please publish the verdict.
Speaker 12 (42:03):
In the Circuit Court of the Second Judicial Circuit in
and for Leon County, Florida, the State of Florida versus
Charles Alston, Case number twenty sixteen c F three zero
three six B Verdict. Count one, we the jury by
the aspalas as to count one of the indictments, first
degree murder. The defendant is guilty of first agree murder.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Count two.
Speaker 12 (42:27):
We the jury by an as follows as to count
two of the indictment conspiracy to commit first agree murder.
The defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first agree
murder count So.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
I mean you can tell he's hopeful on his face.
Donna does it look like looks like she knows that.
Look at her face, there's no hope. You can see
Charlie on his face that he's hoping for not guilty verdicts.
He's almost expecting it. I mean we know that, know,
but you didn't see that he was. It's really hopeful
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for a good verdict. Donna knows what's coming. There's more
evidence against Donna than Charlie. I mean, Donna had the
whole script. I mean, don't negate how much evidence she
created against herself, fleeing writing scripts in prison for inmates
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to testify, for her getting caught on the phone, I
mean a computer her Oh the thing we didn't know about.
How about Dan Markel's license plate and her planner. That
was a shocker. I mean, so when Georgia Kapelman says
(43:58):
I thought they'd come back sooner, you understand why. I
think a lot of what they were just talking about
is how crazy the whole trial was. You've been bottled
up for days and days and days and not allowed
to talk about it with anyone. You're just dying to
tell anyone what you noticed or saw. So I know
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the jury four person said that they had her guilty
of murder right away. They just had to, I think,
solidify the other ones, other counts, the conspiracy counts, et cetera,
et cetera. But you understand why. Georgia Kapelman says that
she thought they'd come back sooner than Charlie Edelson's trial.
(44:43):
So Donna was supposed to be the harder, harder one.
I mean, they're doing this in order of I don't
think they planned it like that, but in order of difficulty,
Donna was supposed to be a little bit harder. There
wasn't the there wasn't the adulcy Da tapes against Donna,
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but she helped them out. She created a lot of
evidence against herself.
Speaker 16 (45:41):
Mhm kay.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
So what did she say to Harvey?
Speaker 15 (45:58):
Is anybody remember what are we looking for?
Speaker 8 (46:03):
If someone wrote me early.
Speaker 15 (46:04):
On n got back to the comments.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
You need extra portion of your clothes, funny, okay, hold on,
hold on.
Speaker 15 (46:23):
The way after that, what are we looking for here?
Someone asked to watch you just started. Try to come
back to it, all right, I'll find it as we
(46:45):
watch this, absolutely.
Speaker 16 (46:50):
Okay.
Speaker 17 (46:56):
If the jury for a person could please rise as
the jury reached an AIM's verdict. If you please can
handle verdict form to the bath.
Speaker 13 (47:12):
H H.
Speaker 10 (47:19):
Having reviewed the verdict form, it is in its proper order.
At this time, I will publish the verdict. We the
jury find as follows as the count one of the indictment,
first degree murder. The defendant is guilty of first degree murder.
(47:40):
Missus Adelsen, control yourself. Count two we the jury find.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
As she says, I'm as surprised as you are. Here
you go, I'm as surprised as you are. Figure out
what she said. This is all theater.
Speaker 10 (48:07):
Follows as the count two of the indictment, Conspiracy to
commit first degree murder. The defendant is guilty of conspiracy
to commit first degree murder.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Count three.
Speaker 10 (48:22):
We the jury find as follows as the count three
of the indictment, Solicitation to commit first degree murder. The
defendant is guilty of solicitation to commit first degree murder,
and it is signed and dated by the four persons.
Speaker 15 (48:44):
The stopping of the feed is just something.
Speaker 8 (48:54):
In my experience.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
It's only like the defendants who act out like this.
I know they're in a different position, but the victim's family,
you know, they don't lash out they don't run and
try to out the defendants. Something to be said. Is
(49:16):
it impulse control or is it this manipulation of the course?
Speaker 10 (49:19):
One moment, members of the jury, the bailif will escort
you to the jury room.
Speaker 16 (49:25):
Yeah, yes, m hm.
Speaker 10 (49:39):
Yah, missus Adelson. While this was not the outcome, I'm
sure that you desired, there will not be any further
outbursts in front of the jury. If you cannot control yourself,
I am going to have to determine if you'll be
removed from the remainder of this process. Do you understand
(50:05):
what I'm saying to you? So you need a moment
to collect yourself?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
What your block back down?
Speaker 8 (50:17):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Wait?
Speaker 8 (50:26):
Okay, can everyone hear me now? Can everybody hear me?
Speaker 4 (50:32):
Now?
Speaker 15 (50:33):
Where is my microphone messing out? Wait?
Speaker 8 (50:53):
No, okay, hold on my second, Hold on my second.
Speaker 15 (50:59):
You're yo, it's so woh hold on here, hold on,
let me let me.
Speaker 8 (51:07):
Adjust that.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Do do?
Speaker 8 (51:18):
Okay? Is that better? Better? Better? Can you hear me now?
I'll just wait. Some people say they can barely hear me.
Some people say they can hear me fine, better Okay,
I don't know. Maybe maybe my microphone got turned down
(51:42):
in a scuff. Wesley loves October Fest. Say thank you
for gifting ten memberships. I understand things. They'll be hand
it out at random. Thanks so much. I really appreciate
your support. Wesley. Double banger today from Wesley, thank you
(52:04):
appreciate it. You're so here. She's going to turn around
and she's gonna say, I'm as surprised as you are. Okay,
is it still low Barbara or you just behind as kill?
Speaker 18 (53:07):
For anyone to commit such a cold blooded, unprovoked act
of murder is horrific. For Donna, someone who claims to
care so much about Ben and Lincoln her sunshines, her
actions are beyond comprehension. She is harmed forever the people
(53:31):
she claims to have loved. In the Jewish custom, this
(54:14):
is my fault.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
I think it just got eaten in the I was
rushing in the editing. Here, he says, in the Jewish custom,
I hope you we wish people to live one hundred
and twenty years. Sorry, I think it was my editing.
I thought it was me too, because my headphones have
been going out, so it's like, does my headphones go out?
(54:36):
So he says, in the Jewish custom, we wish people
to live one hundred and twenty years. I wish for
you to live one hundred and twenty years. And he
says to her, and I have one last statement for Donna.
Was it worth it? So it's interesting, you know, I
(55:28):
sped it up. And you can see Harvey's heart pound,
like literally pounding out of his chest. Let me see
if I can go back. So let's see what show
you what I'm talking about. So while they're waiting, it
goes to Harvey. Here. Oh, this is when she gets
(55:51):
the verdict. It's right before the verdict. Hold on one second, yeah, okay,
check this out. You can see it. Mean, he's just
breathing very deeply. Patty looks tense. Though Patty was always
(56:15):
sure that we would get a guilty verdict, she was right.
I never know. I never know. I thought so, but
you just don't know, you don't know. I was very worried.
I mean I was very worried about I was the
only one of the nons. Everyone else was like with
(56:35):
the Karen Reid case, I was like, no, I think
she's gonna walk. Everyone else like she's gonna get convicted
just because I know the power, not because the evidence
wasn't there, just the power of these innocence fraud campaigns,
and that judge let it inside the court. It was
like the court of public opinion deciding not the evidence
(56:55):
in that case. Having good judges is so important, and
good DA's too. So what I hear is that he's
(57:16):
going to be lost without her, that he really does
rely a lot on her, And after Charlie was convicted,
he was just a mess, a total mess, and just bereft.
You know, he's really close with I thought both these
(57:39):
victim impact stamens were great. But there's Donna walking out
very satisfied. Yeah, so happy for thank you, So happy
(58:18):
for Georgia Kappelman. Is she gonna go on? Is this
the last one? Is this the last? Is Wendy's punishment
that she's a social pria, that she can't really get
any job that she wants. I mean, you're told in America, like, right,
(58:39):
if you work hard, you can be successful, but she's limited.
I mean they should have said, like, if you work
hard and you don't don't kill your ex husband who
wants to hire Wendy Adelson. It's a terrible look unless
you know you're some kind of family friend. I don't know.
(59:04):
I don't know. I don't know what they have. I
know they have, so what they have against Wendy that's
new is that they have Sarah Yusef, Wendy's former best
friend or friend. And Wendy was saying after the murder,
(59:25):
I'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison.
That's not a normal Sarah Yusef. It was so entrenched
in the wrongful you know, like conviction movement.
Speaker 7 (59:41):
I think, I mean, I've said what I think this
is before I said it.
Speaker 15 (59:45):
At the time.
Speaker 8 (59:47):
I looked into her background and I heard that she
had come forward.
Speaker 15 (59:50):
I looked into her background.
Speaker 7 (59:54):
And I said, this is a woman who is in
a movement that sees all these killers as victims.
Speaker 15 (01:00:05):
And she saw Wendy if she I think she knew
Wendy did it. I mean, she said I thought at the.
Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
Time that she was being afraid of being wrongfully convicted.
Because I was working on a wrongful conviction case. I
ain probably getting out a guilty person from prison.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Trying to.
Speaker 15 (01:00:27):
I don't that I don't think there are any wrongful convictions.
I just think that they're quite rare. You know, what
are the chances maybe Sarah, maybe.
Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
He was really wrongfulvict I just think that that was
her world view. And then when she saw Phil Markell
she says it is victim impact statement. She may have
matured and moved away from it and seen the movement
as the fraud that it is.
Speaker 15 (01:00:51):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
I don't know what she knows or but there is
some kind of distance from it where she came from.
And she told the state everything she had on Wenday.
Speaker 15 (01:01:09):
That's pretty damning. And you can see her in the.
Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
Police interview. She's saying in my suspect, In my suspect,
she was prepared.
Speaker 15 (01:01:22):
To spend the night in Jaal and get bailed out.
And she must have felt so.
Speaker 8 (01:01:32):
Relieved when she was on her way to Miami and
far away from the.
Speaker 15 (01:01:42):
Long arm of the law.
Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
Oh even when she walked out of the police station
like they bought it. They didn't buy it, but.
Speaker 15 (01:01:50):
They didn't have enough evidence yet. So what is everybody
else up? That's what I have for today? What is
everybody else up to? What are you check my mic again?
Is it going again?
Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
This?
Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
Maybe my computer?
Speaker 15 (01:02:18):
Hold on with that?
Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
Oh yeah, it's going down on its own, it's turning
itself down. I'm not turning it down. Thanks, Sorry, how annoying?
Or maybe I'm moving in and I don't even know
(01:02:47):
what have you all been up to? What I what
is ours? What would you like me to cover next? So,
I mean, if you didn't hear me, I was talking
about Sarah Yusuf coming forward. They have that. That's new
Sarah Yusuf, Wendy Aedelson's friend who probably for some reason,
(01:03:10):
she's stopped talking to Wendy Edelson, but she didn't turn
her in. Wendy Edelson was going around saying I'm going
to spend the rest of my life in prison after
Dan mark ELL's murder. I was saying, she must have
felt so good when she walked out of the police
station without being arrested when she got to Miami. But
(01:03:35):
she looks very nervous, very very nervous that she might
be arrested next. Oh. So, yeah, I have some stuff
on Karen Reid. Hey, Alison, yours must have been burning.
(01:03:58):
We're talking about you. Yeah, I have some stuff coming
up on Karen Reid, some fun stuff, what else? I
don't know, I don't know. I don't know if there's
(01:04:22):
any trials coming up? Does anybody know when the If
there's any good trials coming up? Courtney? When is Courty
Corey Richins. I'd like to cover Courtney Clenny. When is
that coming up? Does anyone know when that trial is?
I'm interested in Nancy galvani Red too, and I'm very interested.
(01:04:47):
I've just been following everything about Charlie Kirk's murderer and
murderer for the end of the year. Okay, yeah, I
have some stuff to cover on Karen Read since no
one else is covering it from this side. I do
have some stuff, I hope. I don't want to bore everyone,
(01:05:08):
but I do have some stuff. I hope. I don't.
I hear the Amanda Knox thing is beyond belief, ridiculous,
and I may have to go episode by episode and
debunk it all again. I don't know. Someone's got to
(01:05:28):
do it. I'm the only one, Aidan Kearney. There's stuff
going on. Yeah, there's a lot of so, yeah, I
may take a few I may take I don't know.
I may have to take a little time off before
I go. Let me take a quick break. I'll be
right back. Don't go anywhere. I'll be right back, Mike Check.
Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Roberta strides through the scatter case true crime Gotham, where
the shadows play the place. Frauds to fold when a
spotlight beams. Sack focused queen busting propaganda schemes.
Speaker 19 (01:06:19):
Glass shadow, lies that goes through the streets, standing for victims,
giving voice, that beats and why c post truth sharp
as night, Roberta exposing She's the anti froud light, partast warrior,
(01:06:43):
dissecting Satan's defense, twisted innocence, claims, breaking pretense.
Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Gotham's truth seeker cuts clean with the blade facts in
the forefront. No justice gets swayed. Cold facts drip heavy,
real talk. Gun furls, cracking cases open like oysters with pearls.
Innocence makes crumble the dust in the wind for victims,
her creed justice till the end, headphones blazing, She drops
(01:07:17):
heavy artillery. Now it has twisted meat, blunt objects, civility.
Roberta god receipts that unraveled deploy, exposing the lies, these
frauds that just deploy Glass shatters, lies that goes through
the streets, standing for victims, giving voice, stand beats and
y see pulse true sharpest Knight.
Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Roberta exposed it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
She's the anti fraud light.
Speaker 8 (01:08:07):
Okay, we're back. I'm gonna just end this. You know
what I wonder is if Donna Adelson's phone calls are
going to be released. I'm sure there's a ton of
YouTubers clamoring to get them, but now that she's been convicted,
it seems like they should release her phone calls. Now
(01:08:31):
that'll be a fun. Listen, we know that the real
phone calls were made from her lawyer, Jackie Fulford's phone
or i Apple Watch or iPad or whatever else she
had there. Okay. This was written in May on May
(01:08:54):
twenty first, from Harvard Law School Stationary of two thousand
nineteen to the Honorable Judge Hankinson in Sigfredo Garcia and
Catherine mcmanawa's case. When we lost Stan Marquelle, his students
lost an inspiring and rigorous teacher, his colleagues lost a
(01:09:18):
supportive and engaged interlocker look cute or excuse me? And
the nation lost one of the most brilliant young scholars
of criminal law. He was my student. Then as he
took up teaching, up law teaching, he became my colleague
(01:09:39):
and at times my teacher. His work built bridges across law, philosophy, politics,
and concerns of ordinary people. He took on profound issues
why do we punish and when is mercy warranted? He
also tackled practical problems in the operation of sentencing and
(01:10:03):
altering people's behaviors. I never had a conversation with him
without sharpening my thinking. I missed his contributions to debate
about scholarship and policy involving our own work or the
nation's laws. He contributed to professional journals and also to
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As a co founder of a blog for law professors,
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Proft's Blog, he read voraciously and recruited emerging scholars to participate.
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Speaker 20 (01:12:23):
Dona, what a stitch you're him?
Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
You got it a murder because.
Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
You wanted to raise your daughter's kids.
Speaker 20 (01:12:36):
Tama has he just to stop on the way to
civilization in Miami is where all the fancy people are.
The TV is about five. You can't get away from
that toutoe tato hu ho. You know the guy you
(01:12:58):
pay then you can't get away from that oh ho gone?
What to stitch your hand? You thought chill was just
for the little people, but now you're saw blankets with
the locked up proof. Your grandmother is locked down and
you're one way ride to feed on your blue.
Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Gona.
Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
What a stitch your hand?
Speaker 20 (01:13:39):
Your family exiled from the social circles you swam in.
We all know you never made that banana break. You're
offered to babysit for Dad, but you'll soon be make
in license plates and thinking a babble.
Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Could have been Oh ho, Gona.
Speaker 20 (01:14:01):
You have to swail a load of thing.
Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
To do the.
Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Thing up the gaping
Speaker 16 (01:15:05):
Pat, the whole
Donna Agelson from Coral Springs, Florida. I want to hear
all about you, Donna. Let's go well, I'm a domestic coordinator,
a domestic coordinator.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, I'm responsible for the activities, classes and lessons of
my son Robert, who was sixteen, Charlie who was twelve,
Whndy who was ten, my husband Harvey, who's in the audience,
and my dog's Sam.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And how old is SAMs?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Five?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Five?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Cold, give my best ten? Nice to have your hair,
cop and fowls work, don consonance are gonna be worth.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
There's a lot of glad to have this again personally
as the categories who still your return letter beats hell?
Help no hell? Donna, m yes, there are two ms.
Let him come up your five seconds person Ellen, okay, yes,
(00:57):
Kim mhm mustard maker, Yes, there's.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
One age time starts now mm hmm Donna, yes, mister.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Nice m h.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
You are listening to the ROBERTA.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Glass True Crime Report putting the true back in true crime.
Speaker 8 (01:52):
From New York City.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
ROBERTA. Glass is now on the record.
Speaker 9 (01:59):
H Okay, how is everybody?
Speaker 8 (02:16):
My apologies for being late. I just had technical difficulties.
I couldn't even get into stream Yard to tell you
I was going to be late. Jennifer, Ray, Maestro Wesley, Hello,
early Birds, Hello the two, transparent or right on time,
I don't know, whatever you want to call it ain't
(02:38):
no halla back grow, raise the road. Hello, everybody, it
is six fifteen. I am very late, Ray, Carolina, I'm
ruber dere Pilates. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, I go
(03:00):
by step Yo, Jie Jane. What happened? What happened? My
whole computer froze and then Streamyard wouldn't let me. And
it's very boring. I can tell you. I was like,
let me in, let me in. So I'm here with
you all now, so we're gonna go over. This is
(03:24):
really part two of Donna Edelson's flipouts and freakouts. She's
a master of manipulation, as is everyone I talk about
on this channel who's been either accused or convicted, even
(03:47):
if they've had that conviction overturned for some strange and
crazy reason, they're all masters of manipulation. I mean, it's
amazing how all these accused and convicted killers have the
same personality. But Donna really is a master of manipulation
(04:08):
and she tried to control the courtroom. So last night
we went until she got arrested. So these are all
cuts from after she was in Leon County jail in
a waiting trial. And I found a really funny anomaly
(04:28):
in her defense, and we'll go over it. It made
me laugh just editing and putting it together. Let me
pull up the video file without any further ado, how
is everybody? Is everybody doing okay? Okay? Is everybody holding up? Ope? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 10 (04:53):
Here we go, State of Ford versus Donna twenty three yes, three.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Two two six counsel the hear.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
So this is Donna's first appearance in front of Judge Everett.
She had Mary el Desauso, who testified. I don't know
does any did anybody believe her testimony? Did anyone believe
her testimony? At Donna's trial, I felt she was a
stand in for Dan Rashbaund that you're gonna have to
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convince me. I don't think Donna. I think Donna appealed
to Dan Rashbaund. Thanks Anissa for becoming a member. Appreciate it.
Welcome to welcome aboard, welcome to the club. Joy the emojis,
And this is where Donna Adelson is in Leon County jail,
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and she says all her rights are being violated, and
Mary al des Alvo says, like every single one of
her rights is being that violated in Leod County. It's
so awful. So when she came to Leon County, my understanding,
correct me if I'm wrong. If she did this in Miami,
I may be wrong. She may have done this in Miami.
(06:23):
Thought she did this in Leon County. She stripped off
and no, that was in Miami. No, I'm wrong, that
was in Miami. So she gets there and she's already
talking to Charlie about ending it all on the phone.
So that puts her in a limited position. We talked
about that yesterday, where you're in like a turtle suit
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and they have to take care of your safety if
you're threatening things like that, if they hear you threaten
things like that on the phone. And Donna says it's
all hoguash and she has a big outburst in court.
Take take a listen. And she's also visited by Daniel
Rashbaum spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
So just to I forget that not everyone is like
has a PhD. In the Dan Markel case. So Mario
DeSalvo was Donna Aedelson's lawyer before she hired Dan Rashbaum,
Charlie's lawyer, to be her lawyer, and it was really
just believe she's mostly a civil attorney. It was really
(07:39):
done like as a last minute I'm sure she might
have done some I don't know, maybe she helped out
with something else, like like the trust for Roman, Charlie
Aedelson's son or something, but she really wasn't up to
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defending Donna in this kind of trial, and neither was
Dan Rashbound for that matter. He's also a civil attorney,
but he had some experience with Charlie's trial. But it
was clearly a ridiculous conflict of interest being that they're
both co conspirators. Eventually, spoiler alert, Dan rashburund outs to
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drop out as her lawyer do because he said he
told the court that he had a waiver from Charlie
Aedelson that he never had. I mean, these defense attorneys,
have you been listening on my shadel They play fast
and loose with the truth. They're really they go way
(08:45):
above and beyond the law. In my opinion, Lesley loves
october Fest topping off the cat door. Fed hit the
light button. Everybody, thank you so much. They I get
that cat door. We have two parties coming up the day.
Actually can figure out how to get hire a workman
(09:07):
in New York City to come and put in a
cat door. And of course has everybody written to the
da Wag staff for Alison Galvannie. Just throw that up there.
Let me just have a couple of weeks to make
(09:28):
this happen. Guys, so please write the da Wag staff
and tell him I'm just It's s WAG staff.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
S W A G.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
S T A F F E at s mc gov
dot org. Tell him you would like to see him
prosecute the cold case of Nancy Galvanni's murder. Doesn't have
to be long, but please do end your emails, even
(10:01):
if you sent one before. They really are helpful. And
if this goes forward, we will have a big party.
We'll do something really fun on this channel. I don't
know what yet. If you guys have ideas something you'd
like to do me now. So, Dona Adelson has some complaints.
Speaker 10 (10:21):
Right, and everyone that is observing on zoom please do
not interfere with the hearing. Of course, you may observe
as to everything that takes place. Mister Scalzo, I've reviewed
your emergency motion to enjoin the jail. Is there any
further argument or testimony that you wish to take in
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support of your motion.
Speaker 11 (10:45):
Your honor, I'll just add to supplement to my motion
which was filed last week, that we are now on
day twenty two of direct observation. Missus Aedelson continues unable
to participate in her defense. She's not permitted any papers.
I cannot mail her anything. I did have a call
with her on Friday.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
But raise the road, says ROBERTA. Donna said to Harvey,
I'm as surprised as you are when she was convicted.
Can we rewatch? Yeah, it's at the end. Raise if
you want to stick are out, it's at the end.
This isn't a long video. It's at the end. We
certainly can we watch and rewatch.
Speaker 11 (11:23):
Because Missus Capelman facilitated it for me, and on that call,
it was not a private call. Miss Aedelson was forced
to put me on speakerphone with guards listening. There is
just no way that Missus Edelson can prepare for her
defense in this manner.
Speaker 10 (11:40):
All right, there is one question that I had specifically
as to this issue, and I noticed within your pleading
that you had quotes from your client and also some
observations of what has been taking place with the correctional staff.
Are you alleging that you have no ability to access
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your client or that there is limited contact with your client?
Speaker 11 (12:03):
No, your honor, I'm not saying that there is no ability.
The direct observations that are contained within my motion were
not observed by myself, but Daniel Rashbaum, Charlie Adelson's attorney,
had a visit with Charlie Datolsen and he was able
to swap it out for Miss Donna Edelson Mingo.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
He was able to swap it out.
Speaker 11 (12:41):
For Miss Donna Adelson the week of I think November
twenty seventh or twenty eight, so he was able to
have that conversation with her in person. I've had a
conversation with her, like I said over the phone, I
have been told that I can do a sixty minute
increment visit with her in person.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
There is no video visitation ability. So I would say
that my ability.
Speaker 11 (13:05):
To meet with her is limited, It's not nonexistent. However,
my ability to share, for example, discovery paperwork. This motion,
the motion I filed with Miss Adelson, is non existence
because she's not permitted to have paper.
Speaker 10 (13:22):
Well, we'll take up the other aspect of this in
a moment, actually, which deals with the level of confinement
and what is going on with it. Miss Capelman. Does
the state have any argument to make concerning this matter?
Speaker 12 (13:35):
The state would defer to mister Toomey, who's here to
speak on those matters that I think you're a dressing
right now.
Speaker 10 (13:42):
Very well, mister Pleman.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Tell mister Tuomy, good afternoon, Judge.
Speaker 13 (13:46):
As far as this particular issue goes, there is no
impediment to her speaking with her lawyer, seeing her lawyer
over and above using a tablet.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Tablet has a headset that con used as a ligature.
Otherwise he's free to enter the jail. Chief mac is here,
he's assured me that.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
So a year and a half later, Donna Aedelson, or
that's just my approximation, will be probably out of County
Jail to Wacola County jail. Because so she's saying that
she can't the reason she she really reason, I guess
she's trying to get bail here. I would think she
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says all her rights are being violated. She's being treated
terribly in Leon County because she can only communicate with
her lawyers on this tablet, you know, aside from visits
and Descalvo is from Miami. So she's saying that it's
not enough, her rare visits are not enough, and that
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you heard that rash bound who's gonna you know soon
Dona's going to push Maricel to the side and hire
Dan Rashbaum right after this. But she's saying that she
can't she can't confer because she only has these tablets.
She can't confer enough. I don't even understand the logic.
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And they're like, she can talk to her lawyer, she
can talk on these tablets. Then a year and a
half later, she gets moved from Leon County to Wacola County,
right because of the tablet issue.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Again, I don't understand the problem that is personal.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Because she has because I think they take away the tablet,
am I right on this, they take away the tablet,
So first she's angry that she has the tablet, then
they take away the tablet a year and a half later.
So I mean, just a perfect example of how she
complain about anything.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Perceived, but there is no impediment to an attorney client visitation.
Am I correct.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
The first question. We'll have Chief Mac give some testimony
so that way we have a clear record. But the
level of confinement and also the current restrictions that are
in place. Are these because there were at some point
statements alluding to self harm during the jail phone calls
and at booking.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Here when she was booked into.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
The jail, Carolina, that's really nice of you to say.
I am not an artiste. I do my best the thumbnails.
I'm a one woman band, So everything you see I've
done here. So yeah, I'm not naturally talented at it.
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So I appreciate that. I appreciate that, Carolina.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Here she made a statement that she wanted to die now.
Before she was arrested in Miami. She also had a
phone call with her son, who's obviously in jail here,
twenty five minute phone call. I personally listened to it.
She very clearly spoke about a plan to herself using
sleeping pills.
Speaker 10 (17:19):
One moment, Miss Adelson, please keep your comments to your son.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Almost scared to speak.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Does anyone have anything to raise before we continue forward?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
You maybe.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
So judge with the surprising.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Jill Jane, thanks so much, nice to see you. Thanks
so much for the super sticker. Do you remember this.
This is a horrible look for Donna. When she had
that blonde hair was sort of orange and it was
growing out, so she had all this gray hair. Looked
much better when she cut it off.
Speaker 14 (18:05):
Issues of the last couple of days, I have asked
for my prior client's waiver again and with the change
of circumstances, he has decided not to give it. So
let me be clear.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I have a waiver in the past.
Speaker 14 (18:17):
It's from December twelfth, December thirteenth, and an independent lawyer
spoke to him as well, although did not get a
signature on the waiver, so we had a waiver.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
We thought we had a waiver.
Speaker 14 (18:27):
We didn't think there was an issue, but given the
events of the last two days, I approached a Pelic
council to get a new waiver. That was the right
thing to do, obviously and the cleanest thing to do,
and I am not able to obtain that waver at
this point, so as a result, I need to withdraw
from the case.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Doesn't so if you're listening on podcasts, Donna seems to
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recover quite quickly from she gets a tissue, but it
doesn't really look like she's really cry. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if I think he really did want
to represent her. I think she got played by Charlie,
don't you. I mean, there's just no way he could
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move forward. I mean before this, I mean I didn't.
I didn't belabor this point because it was kind of boring. Frankly,
but Donna was willing to sign a waiver saying that
She's like all appellet issue is a huge mistake. I mean,
this is a great I mean, she could have got
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convicted on this. Maybe that was her plan to wave
appellat because they can wave appellet issues and still go forward.
We've seen that people agree to something in court and
then they take it back after they've been convicted. They're like,
but probably would have won on ineffective counsel or unfair trial,
(20:35):
not a lawyer. I don't know one of those things.
It's just such. You can't have to conspirators represented by
the same lawyer. Thank you MD and KP Global Enterprises.
(21:07):
Thanks for the supersticker. Appreciate it. No one has it
worse than Donna Edelson and Leon County. This is one
of my more favorite Donna moments. That she has a
huge list of complaints. I really couldn't even edit them
all together. I tried to edit the key complaints back pain,
(21:32):
shoulder pain. She has a long story about how they
didn't give her sufficient bandages that I edited out. And
then she's of course being extorted for packages, which I
think I guess correctly that that story came out right
at the time, so right at the time that Donna
(21:55):
is this story about having her arm pulled behind her
back while she's rushing teeth. Ever, the wife of a
dentist in the bathroom by a woman who's over six
feet tall, okay, but she won't name them. This is
the other thing that didn't occur to me when I
first heard this story. How many women are over six
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feet tall in Leon County Jail in her pod? I mean,
isn't that just identifying that woman she says she's over
I believe she says she's over two hundred pounds and
six over six feet tall. I mean, are there a
lot of women in her pod over six feet tall
and fit that description? I just think this is all
(22:39):
made up. But this was a time when the government,
or not the government, the state got wind of her
plan to pay two of her friends in Leon County,
Patricia Burr, who's also been in Wacola County too, and
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Drina Burnhardt. Trina Burnhart, she had written an entire script
for her, and the way she kept them sweet was
she wanted them to testify in her trial was to
buy them commons starry and I always thought packages, So
she had to have a reason why all of a
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sudden it made her look very guilty as part of
this extortion. Had not extortion scheme, it's the scheme to
buy favorable testimony in Leon County. That she has all
these packages coming in that she seems to be hoarding
and not her usual and maybe she was worried about
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it wasn't her usual fare. I'm not saying she just
ate tuna in there, but I'm sure that there were
some things that she didn't usually get in there because
they were for Drina or Patricia Bird. So instead she
made up a story that she was getting threatened to
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be beat up in Leon County. She didn't hand over packages,
she would be beat up.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
How far into your incarceration, you started having the psiatic
issues again, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Have it until I was in the annex, so that
was some time over the less I've been there six months.
I don't remember the specific day, but I didn't have
it before the NX. Okay.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
And once you started experiencing it in the NX, did
you complete a form to see medical attention?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yes, I did, okay.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
And as a result of completing that form, did you
have an opportunity to meet with someone in the medical
center at the Lanta County Jail.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I saw the doctor there and what happened and I
explained what I had and she said, we do not
treat that type of problem. We could offer you some
time at all, okay.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
And you experience is pain when you're walking sitting.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So at the beginning I was just I was just
getting it when I was walking, so it limited the
amounts of walking I can do. But I get it
when I'm sitting, I get it lying down. I get
it all the time now, so it's not It's.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
The main drug that you can get in Leon County
from the nurses station is thailand off. That's basically their
answer to everything. It should be super addit. So what
did they do thil it all? That's what they did
for her back pain, her arm pain, what else? I
don't know if they gave it for her small ear canals.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
It's not like I have it all the time. It
comes and goes. But when it just comes, I could
be sitting, I could be standing, it just just happens.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Okay, we're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, I have I have a problem with my left arm.
My thumb, indects and middle finger have gotten like tingling.
It almost feels like answer crolling on them. It's like
a numbness of those fingers. I have tilt all.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Okay, And and you said that was in approximately approximately
October twenty twenty four. Have you been requesting treatment for
that pain since October twenty several times? Okay? And you've
heard the testimony of the gentleman previously at some point
is the title and all help with the pain that
you're experiencing. You know, I'm from So I have a
hearing issue.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I have a problem. I evidently have very narrow ear canals,
and so doing the wax builds up in my ears
to the point that I mean, I have officers that
say to me are you deaf atals? And when I
don't respond to them, it's because I don't hear them.
And so I did ask for help in the I
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asked the doctor if there was anything they could do
for me, and I told her what's normally done, and
she said, we use deb rocks to soften the wax
and then comes down three or four days later and
we use a bulb syringe to remove it. And I
said that doesn't work. I need a different procedure, and
she said that's all we can do for you. Okay,
there's no I mean, even if you want to get
(27:02):
off your bed and just try to like stretches, a wall,
push ups or anything. She says, this is not an
exercise room. There's no exercising here. We don't get taken outside. Well,
the inmate handbook says you get a minimum of three
hours of outside time per day per week. I'm sorry
per week. Okay, we haven't gotten three hours in six months.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Okay, how many times did you go outside while you're
in the.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
NNX before you contendure?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Missus Adelson. Yes, we have thirty minutes left in the hearing.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Miss Fulford, I understand your client is disputing the adequacy
of the care.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
We do need to move We do need to move on.
That never fails. The vacer laugh. Excuse me, missus Adelson.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
We do not have.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Three days for all your complaints. This is a short hearing.
You're going to have to we understand that Leon County
is not a to your standards. Oh that's so funny
because it was such a straight face. This is where
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I would have trouble. If I were a judge, I
would have trouble. And it matters.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Please continue. Shower there And I was under the shower
and I was washing my hair, and I was the
only one in the shower. I always go in early
morning because there's nobody there. Most of the girls sleep.
So I take a shower and I have a little privacy.
And so I was washing my hair and all of
a sudden, all of a sudden, I fell and go
(28:35):
up my back, like from the top of my boot
up my back and I'll stop it. And I turned
and so this girl said you like it, and I
said get out of here, and I started to scream
and she ran.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Okay in the in the bathroom there, what was this?
Speaker 15 (28:54):
Which pod?
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Was this inx?
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
In the annex. Are there guards oppositioned inside the area
or ey shower? No, inside the area where you use
the restroom?
Speaker 13 (29:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
In October, So I was, I was in the bathroom
ten ten thirty at night. I went in to brush
my teeth. There's there are three three sink stations in
the bathroom. Each one has four sinks. And I was
at the center station with my back to the door.
And I'm alrighty. So I was holding my toothbrush with
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my right hand, and I was balancing myself with my
left hands on the sink, just brushing my teeth. That's
all I was doing. And what happened? And so I
came up behind me and pulled my left hand away
from the sink and twisted my arm.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
And do you guys balance yourself when you're brushing your teeth?
Why would you need to balance yourself? And you is
she trying to say that her back is so bad
that she needs to balance herself when she's brushing her teeth.
She fully keeping in character. I'm confused. I have an
(30:11):
electric toothbrush. I love it. I love it, had it
for years. It's still going. But but uh, even when
you know I like, I don't know, I'm on a
trip and I bring, you know, just a regular toothbrush.
(30:33):
I don't think I need to balance. Do you guys
need to balance?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Like jerked it behind my back, like reaching up squirt
my deck.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Okay, walk Away says, she does, Okay, Okay, Yeah, I
guess it can be kind of odd small ear canals
with you on it is not even on a cruise.
I mean, Donna is, we're all getting older. I mean
(31:07):
we're all gonna be there. Yeah, and so.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Get hurt.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Okay, what happened? And I said, be doing And she's
in the same breath that she did up in my arm.
She said, you're gonna buy me, commissary. I said, don't
know what. And she said, unless you want those pretty
white teeth nots out of your mouth, you're gonna buy me, commissary.
So she said, okay, okay, and then she named a
(31:38):
package that she wanted. She's out, she was gone, and
she just as that fast, that fast.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
How bad would you on a scale of one to ten,
how bad would you rate the pain at the time
that she did.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That to you?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Oh my god, someone's got to recreate this, like in
a puff of smoke. She was gone, she was gone.
She named a package that she wanted. I tried to
do some research on these packages. I mean, how would
you name a package that she? Did she name a
product that she wanted? Or is it like ordering a
(32:12):
gift basket you can order like, I don't know the
fall gift basket with I don't know what chaie pumpkin
chye spiced tea and something else. How could you name
a package and run out? I'm confused. If I were
(32:33):
a judge, I'd be asking a lot of questions here.
I'm very confused by this story.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Was tenay, I don't know my.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Aform it?
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Jill Jade? Have you seen my short on Dona Edelson's hearing?
On her miraculous hearing? You were hearing like that was
such a she was limped the first day of trial.
Then she had those here airphones. It really reminded me
(33:04):
of Robert Durst had this tablet because he said his
hearing was bad, so that when he took the stand
he could read the questions on the tablet, and if
the questions were particularly difficult, you would take a rather
long time to read them.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Okay, And what did you do after she did that
to you so.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Kind of super for a minute, and then I just
I just thought, Okay, I'm gonna go back. That's my bunk.
And I went back to my bunk because those are
the covers. Next, just think those are my covers.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
I can come home during your entire time in the
annex did this particular and they remain confined in that
area with you shoot the ox though, okay, And I
know that you don't want to talk about who did
this to you? Because why why don't you want to
do this? Disclose what it was?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Just one thing I've learned since I'm there, his chew.
Don'ts who were to snitch? You don't snitch. You don't
tell of any one because we'll be sorry. It's and
I've seen that, and so I didn't even sell you.
For a while, I wasn't gonna tell anybody. I won't
to tell anybody said a big, a big woman, that
was a freedom her.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Okay, approximately how tall would you say she is compared
to you?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So for sixty over two hundred pounds a very large woman.
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Okay, I mean how many over six feet women are
there in the pod with Donna? Do you guys remember
how many women there are in a pod Leon County.
I don't remember, but I I think I have to
go back to the trial because I think one of
(34:41):
the snitches talks about how many women are in the pod.
I think approximately sixty, maybe thirty sixty. Were your friend
one hundred and fifty? Even if I mean, what percentage
of the female population is over six feet tall? Let's look,
(35:12):
I had one friend who was maybe almost six feet tall,
maybe just under six feet tall in college. She's a model,
and I don't think there was anyone else in our
class that was that big. Okay, oh, this is I female.
(35:44):
They went to calculate this in inches? All right. I
don't know this is too Maybe someone else can do this.
Who's not what was doing it. I just thought it
would be easy. Someone would just tell me what percentage
of the population in America the female population is over
(36:06):
six feet tall. It's going to be a tiny percentage
ninety in the pod. Oh, you guys are good. Thank you,
Thank you. Lady London, you don't miss a thing. Thank you,
thank you. Where are you, Steph, yo yo, steph? Where
(36:36):
are you? I mean? I mean, isn't she saying you
don't snitch? But I mean, isn't that how many women
are in there? If there's ninety women, how many I
mean that that at least nowrow is it down to
three or four? I mean being giving her the benefit?
(36:56):
You know, less than one percent, thank you of the
US is over six feet tall. Oh you're in Canada.
I love Canada, lucky dog. Yeah, so ninety women, it's
gotta be one woman, one or right. So she's essentially
(37:21):
they couldn't figure out who this woman was though, Okay, it.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Was okay, and you said that she demanded that you
were going to start getting a weekly commissary.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Did you do that?
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Yes, okay, let me let me gus want to ordering them.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
So my stress is that's point one percent to point
three percent? Yeah a tiny little maybe? Yeah tiny? I
mean that's and then and then that weight too. I
(38:06):
mean that a bit. Essentially, she's identified her says, you
don't snitch, but she's happy to say how big she is.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
A commissary for this this woman who attacked you, or
you get a commissary for yourself.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So I have an account and you can buy up
to forty dollars a week of food, and so I
use that account to buy food, but not what she
wants it. She wanted packages.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Let let's let's make sure the court understands when you
say buy food. Is there a normal commissary through the
jail where you were getting your commisary?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Okay, And that's what you were spending forty dollars a
week on for your Sarah Mark, yes, okay. And what
kind of items you're buying for yourself off of that?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I'll try to get some protein id by tuna fish
with mayonnaise.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
And substitute meals if you will, yes, okay. No noodles
of any gun no?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
All right?
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Now, is there a separate way that you can order
commissary on the outside for inmates?
Speaker 8 (38:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I can't see that. That would have to be ordered
from somebody to ask somebody on the outside to place
the order.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Okay. And when you refer to packages, is that the
method that the one who attacked you said she wanted
you to get.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
That's what she asked me to get her. Okay.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
And these packages cost about forty dollars each? Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Ten dollars?
Speaker 8 (39:11):
Oh? So how tall was how tall was Patricia Bird?
Let me look it up. Hold on one second. Do
you think she's trying to that would be interesting. I
don't think so. She is this Leon County hold on
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the second county. Oh oh, she's only five to five,
so she wasn't trying to snitch out. She just looked
imposing on the stand. Certainly not. It's not one of those.
(39:58):
It's not Drina's tiny little thing, so less and less
than one hundred in a pod, she had a one
in ten chance of getting extorted by a giant. I
don't think this woman existed in there.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
For packaging or shipping. So it's fifty dollars a package, okay.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
And during the course of your time in the annex,
while you were still in the annex on just about
every week, did she continue to find you in the
bathroom and demand what packages that you would get ordered
for her.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yes, and she must have been keeping an eye on me.
But when I was in the bathroom, those are the
only time she would approach me is in the bathroom,
and she would tell me what she wanted.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
For that week.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
And did you make those orders through your husband?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I called my husband. I didn't tell him what happened.
I just called him and said, you know, honey, I
want some extra food. Did you mind ordering some packages
for me?
Speaker 16 (40:46):
I said, Sue said.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
Just look at how different this was. I just want
to show. Let me just pull this out for a
hot minute. Look how different Donna Aedelson's just whole affect
was compared to Charlie. Here's Charlie hearing the verdict.
Speaker 10 (41:29):
But the four person can be seated. Has the jury
reached a unanimous verdict? Yes, If you please could hand
the verdict form to the bailiff.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
The verdict form is in its proper order.
Speaker 10 (41:56):
Madam Clerk, please publish the verdict.
Speaker 12 (42:03):
In the Circuit Court of the Second Judicial Circuit in
and for Leon County, Florida, the State of Florida versus
Charles Alston, Case number twenty sixteen c F three zero
three six B Verdict. Count one, we the jury by
the aspalas as to count one of the indictments, first
degree murder. The defendant is guilty of first agree murder.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Count two.
Speaker 12 (42:27):
We the jury by an as follows as to count
two of the indictment conspiracy to commit first agree murder.
The defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first agree
murder count So.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
I mean you can tell he's hopeful on his face.
Donna does it look like looks like she knows that.
Look at her face, there's no hope. You can see
Charlie on his face that he's hoping for not guilty verdicts.
He's almost expecting it. I mean we know that, know,
but you didn't see that he was. It's really hopeful
(43:06):
for a good verdict. Donna knows what's coming. There's more
evidence against Donna than Charlie. I mean, Donna had the
whole script. I mean, don't negate how much evidence she
created against herself, fleeing writing scripts in prison for inmates
(43:33):
to testify, for her getting caught on the phone, I
mean a computer her Oh the thing we didn't know about.
How about Dan Markel's license plate and her planner. That
was a shocker. I mean, so when Georgia Kapelman says
(43:58):
I thought they'd come back sooner, you understand why. I
think a lot of what they were just talking about
is how crazy the whole trial was. You've been bottled
up for days and days and days and not allowed
to talk about it with anyone. You're just dying to
tell anyone what you noticed or saw. So I know
(44:23):
the jury four person said that they had her guilty
of murder right away. They just had to, I think,
solidify the other ones, other counts, the conspiracy counts, et cetera,
et cetera. But you understand why. Georgia Kapelman says that
she thought they'd come back sooner than Charlie Edelson's trial.
(44:43):
So Donna was supposed to be the harder, harder one.
I mean, they're doing this in order of I don't
think they planned it like that, but in order of difficulty,
Donna was supposed to be a little bit harder. There
wasn't the there wasn't the adulcy Da tapes against Donna,
(45:05):
but she helped them out. She created a lot of
evidence against herself.
Speaker 16 (45:41):
Mhm kay.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
So what did she say to Harvey?
Speaker 15 (45:58):
Is anybody remember what are we looking for?
Speaker 8 (46:03):
If someone wrote me early.
Speaker 15 (46:04):
On n got back to the comments.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
You need extra portion of your clothes, funny, okay, hold on,
hold on.
Speaker 15 (46:23):
The way after that, what are we looking for here?
Someone asked to watch you just started. Try to come
back to it, all right, I'll find it as we
(46:45):
watch this, absolutely.
Speaker 16 (46:50):
Okay.
Speaker 17 (46:56):
If the jury for a person could please rise as
the jury reached an AIM's verdict. If you please can
handle verdict form to the bath.
Speaker 13 (47:12):
H H.
Speaker 10 (47:19):
Having reviewed the verdict form, it is in its proper order.
At this time, I will publish the verdict. We the
jury find as follows as the count one of the indictment,
first degree murder. The defendant is guilty of first degree murder.
(47:40):
Missus Adelsen, control yourself. Count two we the jury find.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
As she says, I'm as surprised as you are. Here
you go, I'm as surprised as you are. Figure out
what she said. This is all theater.
Speaker 10 (48:07):
Follows as the count two of the indictment, Conspiracy to
commit first degree murder. The defendant is guilty of conspiracy
to commit first degree murder.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Count three.
Speaker 10 (48:22):
We the jury find as follows as the count three
of the indictment, Solicitation to commit first degree murder. The
defendant is guilty of solicitation to commit first degree murder,
and it is signed and dated by the four persons.
Speaker 15 (48:44):
The stopping of the feed is just something.
Speaker 8 (48:54):
In my experience.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
It's only like the defendants who act out like this.
I know they're in a different position, but the victim's family,
you know, they don't lash out they don't run and
try to out the defendants. Something to be said. Is
(49:16):
it impulse control or is it this manipulation of the course?
Speaker 10 (49:19):
One moment, members of the jury, the bailif will escort
you to the jury room.
Speaker 16 (49:25):
Yeah, yes, m hm.
Speaker 10 (49:39):
Yah, missus Adelson. While this was not the outcome, I'm
sure that you desired, there will not be any further
outbursts in front of the jury. If you cannot control yourself,
I am going to have to determine if you'll be
removed from the remainder of this process. Do you understand
(50:05):
what I'm saying to you? So you need a moment
to collect yourself?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
What your block back down?
Speaker 8 (50:17):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Wait?
Speaker 8 (50:26):
Okay, can everyone hear me now? Can everybody hear me?
Speaker 4 (50:32):
Now?
Speaker 15 (50:33):
Where is my microphone messing out? Wait?
Speaker 8 (50:53):
No, okay, hold on my second, Hold on my second.
Speaker 15 (50:59):
You're yo, it's so woh hold on here, hold on,
let me let me.
Speaker 8 (51:07):
Adjust that.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Do do?
Speaker 8 (51:18):
Okay? Is that better? Better? Better? Can you hear me now?
I'll just wait. Some people say they can barely hear me.
Some people say they can hear me fine, better Okay,
I don't know. Maybe maybe my microphone got turned down
(51:42):
in a scuff. Wesley loves October Fest. Say thank you
for gifting ten memberships. I understand things. They'll be hand
it out at random. Thanks so much. I really appreciate
your support. Wesley. Double banger today from Wesley, thank you
(52:04):
appreciate it. You're so here. She's going to turn around
and she's gonna say, I'm as surprised as you are. Okay,
is it still low Barbara or you just behind as kill?
Speaker 18 (53:07):
For anyone to commit such a cold blooded, unprovoked act
of murder is horrific. For Donna, someone who claims to
care so much about Ben and Lincoln her sunshines, her
actions are beyond comprehension. She is harmed forever the people
(53:31):
she claims to have loved. In the Jewish custom, this
(54:14):
is my fault.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
I think it just got eaten in the I was
rushing in the editing. Here, he says, in the Jewish custom,
I hope you we wish people to live one hundred
and twenty years. Sorry, I think it was my editing.
I thought it was me too, because my headphones have
been going out, so it's like, does my headphones go out?
(54:36):
So he says, in the Jewish custom, we wish people
to live one hundred and twenty years. I wish for
you to live one hundred and twenty years. And he
says to her, and I have one last statement for Donna.
Was it worth it? So it's interesting, you know, I
(55:28):
sped it up. And you can see Harvey's heart pound,
like literally pounding out of his chest. Let me see
if I can go back. So let's see what show
you what I'm talking about. So while they're waiting, it
goes to Harvey. Here. Oh, this is when she gets
(55:51):
the verdict. It's right before the verdict. Hold on one second, yeah, okay,
check this out. You can see it. Mean, he's just
breathing very deeply. Patty looks tense. Though Patty was always
(56:15):
sure that we would get a guilty verdict, she was right.
I never know. I never know. I thought so, but
you just don't know, you don't know. I was very worried.
I mean I was very worried about I was the
only one of the nons. Everyone else was like with
(56:35):
the Karen Reid case, I was like, no, I think
she's gonna walk. Everyone else like she's gonna get convicted
just because I know the power, not because the evidence
wasn't there, just the power of these innocence fraud campaigns,
and that judge let it inside the court. It was
like the court of public opinion deciding not the evidence
(56:55):
in that case. Having good judges is so important, and
good DA's too. So what I hear is that he's
(57:16):
going to be lost without her, that he really does
rely a lot on her, And after Charlie was convicted,
he was just a mess, a total mess, and just bereft.
You know, he's really close with I thought both these
(57:39):
victim impact stamens were great. But there's Donna walking out
very satisfied. Yeah, so happy for thank you, So happy
(58:18):
for Georgia Kappelman. Is she gonna go on? Is this
the last one? Is this the last? Is Wendy's punishment
that she's a social pria, that she can't really get
any job that she wants. I mean, you're told in America, like, right,
(58:39):
if you work hard, you can be successful, but she's limited.
I mean they should have said, like, if you work
hard and you don't don't kill your ex husband who
wants to hire Wendy Adelson. It's a terrible look unless
you know you're some kind of family friend. I don't know.
(59:04):
I don't know. I don't know what they have. I
know they have, so what they have against Wendy that's
new is that they have Sarah Yusef, Wendy's former best
friend or friend. And Wendy was saying after the murder,
(59:25):
I'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison.
That's not a normal Sarah Yusef. It was so entrenched
in the wrongful you know, like conviction movement.
Speaker 7 (59:41):
I think, I mean, I've said what I think this
is before I said it.
Speaker 15 (59:45):
At the time.
Speaker 8 (59:47):
I looked into her background and I heard that she
had come forward.
Speaker 15 (59:50):
I looked into her background.
Speaker 7 (59:54):
And I said, this is a woman who is in
a movement that sees all these killers as victims.
Speaker 15 (01:00:05):
And she saw Wendy if she I think she knew
Wendy did it. I mean, she said I thought at the.
Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
Time that she was being afraid of being wrongfully convicted.
Because I was working on a wrongful conviction case. I
ain probably getting out a guilty person from prison.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Trying to.
Speaker 15 (01:00:27):
I don't that I don't think there are any wrongful convictions.
I just think that they're quite rare. You know, what
are the chances maybe Sarah, maybe.
Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
He was really wrongfulvict I just think that that was
her world view. And then when she saw Phil Markell
she says it is victim impact statement. She may have
matured and moved away from it and seen the movement
as the fraud that it is.
Speaker 15 (01:00:51):
I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
I don't know what she knows or but there is
some kind of distance from it where she came from.
And she told the state everything she had on Wenday.
Speaker 15 (01:01:09):
That's pretty damning. And you can see her in the.
Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
Police interview. She's saying in my suspect, In my suspect,
she was prepared.
Speaker 15 (01:01:22):
To spend the night in Jaal and get bailed out.
And she must have felt so.
Speaker 8 (01:01:32):
Relieved when she was on her way to Miami and
far away from the.
Speaker 15 (01:01:42):
Long arm of the law.
Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
Oh even when she walked out of the police station
like they bought it. They didn't buy it, but.
Speaker 15 (01:01:50):
They didn't have enough evidence yet. So what is everybody
else up? That's what I have for today? What is
everybody else up to? What are you check my mic again?
Is it going again?
Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
This?
Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
Maybe my computer?
Speaker 15 (01:02:18):
Hold on with that?
Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
Oh yeah, it's going down on its own, it's turning
itself down. I'm not turning it down. Thanks, Sorry, how annoying?
Or maybe I'm moving in and I don't even know
(01:02:47):
what have you all been up to? What I what
is ours? What would you like me to cover next? So,
I mean, if you didn't hear me, I was talking
about Sarah Yusuf coming forward. They have that. That's new
Sarah Yusuf, Wendy Aedelson's friend who probably for some reason,
(01:03:10):
she's stopped talking to Wendy Edelson, but she didn't turn
her in. Wendy Edelson was going around saying I'm going
to spend the rest of my life in prison after
Dan mark ELL's murder. I was saying, she must have
felt so good when she walked out of the police
station without being arrested when she got to Miami. But
(01:03:35):
she looks very nervous, very very nervous that she might
be arrested next. Oh. So, yeah, I have some stuff
on Karen Reid. Hey, Alison, yours must have been burning.
(01:03:58):
We're talking about you. Yeah, I have some stuff coming
up on Karen Reid, some fun stuff, what else? I
don't know, I don't know. I don't know if there's
(01:04:22):
any trials coming up? Does anybody know when the If
there's any good trials coming up? Courtney? When is Courty
Corey Richins. I'd like to cover Courtney Clenny. When is
that coming up? Does anyone know when that trial is?
I'm interested in Nancy galvani Red too, and I'm very interested.
(01:04:47):
I've just been following everything about Charlie Kirk's murderer and
murderer for the end of the year. Okay, yeah, I
have some stuff to cover on Karen Read since no
one else is covering it from this side. I do
have some stuff, I hope. I don't want to bore everyone,
(01:05:08):
but I do have some stuff. I hope. I don't.
I hear the Amanda Knox thing is beyond belief, ridiculous,
and I may have to go episode by episode and
debunk it all again. I don't know. Someone's got to
(01:05:28):
do it. I'm the only one, Aidan Kearney. There's stuff
going on. Yeah, there's a lot of so, yeah, I
may take a few I may take I don't know.
I may have to take a little time off before
I go. Let me take a quick break. I'll be
right back. Don't go anywhere. I'll be right back, Mike Check.
Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Roberta strides through the scatter case true crime Gotham, where
the shadows play the place. Frauds to fold when a
spotlight beams. Sack focused queen busting propaganda schemes.
Speaker 19 (01:06:19):
Glass shadow, lies that goes through the streets, standing for victims,
giving voice, that beats and why c post truth sharp
as night, Roberta exposing She's the anti froud light, partast warrior,
(01:06:43):
dissecting Satan's defense, twisted innocence, claims, breaking pretense.
Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Gotham's truth seeker cuts clean with the blade facts in
the forefront. No justice gets swayed. Cold facts drip heavy,
real talk. Gun furls, cracking cases open like oysters with pearls.
Innocence makes crumble the dust in the wind for victims,
her creed justice till the end, headphones blazing, She drops
(01:07:17):
heavy artillery. Now it has twisted meat, blunt objects, civility.
Roberta god receipts that unraveled deploy, exposing the lies, these
frauds that just deploy Glass shatters, lies that goes through
the streets, standing for victims, giving voice, stand beats and
y see pulse true sharpest Knight.
Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Roberta exposed it.
Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
She's the anti fraud light.
Speaker 8 (01:08:07):
Okay, we're back. I'm gonna just end this. You know
what I wonder is if Donna Adelson's phone calls are
going to be released. I'm sure there's a ton of
YouTubers clamoring to get them, but now that she's been convicted,
it seems like they should release her phone calls. Now
(01:08:31):
that'll be a fun. Listen, we know that the real
phone calls were made from her lawyer, Jackie Fulford's phone
or i Apple Watch or iPad or whatever else she
had there. Okay. This was written in May on May
(01:08:54):
twenty first, from Harvard Law School Stationary of two thousand
nineteen to the Honorable Judge Hankinson in Sigfredo Garcia and
Catherine mcmanawa's case. When we lost Stan Marquelle, his students
lost an inspiring and rigorous teacher, his colleagues lost a
(01:09:18):
supportive and engaged interlocker look cute or excuse me? And
the nation lost one of the most brilliant young scholars
of criminal law. He was my student. Then as he
took up teaching, up law teaching, he became my colleague
(01:09:39):
and at times my teacher. His work built bridges across law, philosophy, politics,
and concerns of ordinary people. He took on profound issues
why do we punish and when is mercy warranted? He
also tackled practical problems in the operation of sentencing and
(01:10:03):
altering people's behaviors. I never had a conversation with him
without sharpening my thinking. I missed his contributions to debate
about scholarship and policy involving our own work or the
nation's laws. He contributed to professional journals and also to
(01:10:25):
public debate in newspapers, magazines, and blogs, reaching way beyond
lawyers and academics, more energetically and effectively than any other
law professor I know. Dan was a mentor of young scholars.
As a co founder of a blog for law professors,
(01:10:48):
Proft's Blog, he read voraciously and recruited emerging scholars to participate.
So many law teachers have told me engagement made the
difference in launching their careers. Dan passionately cared about people,
but no one mattered more to him than his family.
(01:11:11):
He modeled for other lawyers and academics how to be
a great father, brother, and son. There are so few
who are both brilliant and kind, sharply analytic and humanely caring.
And now this treasure of a person is gone and
never to be replaced. Sincerely, Martha Minnow that is what
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Speaker 20 (01:12:23):
Dona, what a stitch you're him?
Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
You got it a murder because.
Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
You wanted to raise your daughter's kids.
Speaker 20 (01:12:36):
Tama has he just to stop on the way to
civilization in Miami is where all the fancy people are.
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